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Re: Improving looper interfaces

Jeff was happy about his long memory:

>-instead of building ambient textures etc, my instinct is to lay
>down a 8 or 12 bar chord pattern and play leads in a pretty traditional 

this is the main thing that will be done with loopers, nothing wrong!

>I love the design of my Digitech PDS 1002 2 second delay (which I used as
>my >only looper for 5 years before buying the JM).
>The first time I tried this box it made sense and I understood how to use
>it as a looper.

probably because it starts repeating at some rate as soon as you switch it 

>I guess what I'm trying to get to is my feeling that a lot of the things I
>want >gear to do are not things that can be presented in something like a
>DOD >overdrive or a Fender Princeton amp, which can be operated without
>reading >the directions by anyone who's not a complete pinhead.

Because you have been born close to some volume knobs and learned as 2 year
old that sound gets louder when turned clockwise.

>If the JM didn't come with directions I'm pretty sure I'd have
>no idea what to do with it (the same way I felt trying to use the 'rang at
>>McGuitar Center relying only on my experience of other delay devices and
>a >vague recollection of a Guitar Player review.

When you switch on the Plex, there is only one LED lit, next to the Record
key. I hoped that this animates to press that key. Then, since it turns red
(while recording), someone might intuitively press it again.
If so, he hears his recording and certainly starts using the machine and
probably will discover about 20% of the functionality just by trying
(beeing that those 20% are more than 100% of your old Digitech!).
If not, you are right and its not intuitive :-)

>So, there's stuff which is intuitive (fuzzbox) and stuff which is not
>(JamMan), and >then there's stuff which, once somebody tells you how it
>works, is logical to >operate (most looping devices) and stuff that is not

hmm... nice aproach... where does the intuition come from... why is
something intuitive...

Although mankind developed the drivers controls during half a century to
become the most intuitive possible, it still takes many hours to learn to
drive. Certainly, the automatic transmission turns it a lot easier  -->
Automation = Intuitivisation ?

The aceleration pedal is intuitive. If you had to lift the foot to
accelerate, you could learn to use the pedal, but it would be against your
intuition forever. The same for a steering wheel that goes the other way
But which is the intuitive position of the gear if you want to go
backwards? Up to day, there is no norm for it.

So we inventors will have to care in the first place to implement all
functions in this intuitive way. Then we have to set up the limits. The
less (new) functions the machine has, the quicker it can be understood. We
have to find a balance, because the user is happy about a thing he
dominates quickly AND about having many functions to select from.
I tried to make the fundamental functions as obvious as possible and hide
the specialities so as not to interfere.
But please you guys, go ahead and critisize if you think that something in
my construction is against your intuition (mine might be different)!

Thank you