I think you've misunderstood David Kirkdorffer's original question. He's not asking "Should one ever loop?", but rather, "As a musician who DOES take advantage of the available technology, under what specific circumstances does one make the CHOICE to refrain from looping?", a big difference. I think most, if not all, of us on this list would agree with you that we're better off looping, but recognizing that the looping community manifests a considerable range of approaches, David's question is ideally suited to discussion in such a forum. It is by comparing and contrasting our respective loop techniques, and by getting a feel for the role looping plays in the context of our overall musicianship that we learn and grow. The proportion of looped and unlooped playing varies amongst us for a variety of reasons, and David felt that this warranted discussion. You're right, there is absolutely no reason not to loop, but sometimes there are very good reasons not to loop 100% of the time, and this is what David was addressing. BTW, Brian Eno's "Discreet Music" was recorded in 1975. Steve Reich and Terry Riley were looping more than a decade before that, and Stockhausen was heading in that direction with his layered and manipulated tape loops as long ago as 1956 (Gesang der Junglinge), so it's not really a question of whether one needs the latest technology. Looping's not new; the gear's just getting a lot better. But that wasn't what Mr. Kirkdorffer was asking. Tim At 12:12 PM 10/3/99 -0700, you wrote: >if you wanna be in 1975 you don't loop but with technology today there's >absolutely no reason not to loop and use patterns created by your self through >your sequencer wether it's souned forge4.5 or cakewalk diffrent versions hgave >the number of patterns you =can sequence or loop with your better of >using >l;oops asv your loop will always be on time will your guatrist?