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Re: Andre EDP Loops
Very good point,nevertheless i am interested in
documenting the state of mind i am in when i play
because thatīs what music represents.Storing your
compositions whether loops or music is more
interesting than a diary i would say :o)
> >Thanks Andre you are really doing some wonderful
> >futuristic stuff there!
> I agree!
> >That would be the EDP ultimate dream; stereo,loop
> >storing wav. tranferable,digital in and out,phono
> >and perhaps a cool 2 tone deep water blue green
> >maybe someday...
> The "storing" part and the "transferable" part
> always seem like
> nice-to-have features. It would be a nice little
> check box to have there on
> the EDP brochure - You can save your loops and
> easily transfer them to PC!
> And yet, I increasingly don't find these features as
> things I have much
> need for. I'm not even sure how I would use them.
> Listen to what Andre does, or what Matthias does, or
> what a lot of people
> do now with looping, and the real music is not in
> some singular "loop".
> These guys are constantly manipulating the loops,
> creating, evolving,
> deconstructing them, playing against them. Doing it
> live! The music is more
> about the process of interacting with the loops in
> various ways. Working
> with the repetitive elements, playing against them,
> changing them, keeping
> some elements repeating while fading or destroying
> So what is the "loop" then? If you are going to save
> something that is a
> constant evolution, what do you save? If you are
> going to transfer it to
> the PC, do you transfer the thing left repeating at
> the end, or do you
> record the whole process? I think it's the latter.
> You do what Andre does,
> you plug a recording device in, press Record at the
> beginning, and Stop an
> hour later...
> The lack of a saving capability in the EDP is a
> limitation, but at the same
> time I found it oddly liberating after a while. I
> used to hate it when I
> had created a really cool loop and then had to
> destroy it later. It seems
> really negative at first. But after a while this
> create-and-destroy process
> caused me to realize that if I created something
> good once I could create
> something good again. A feeling of confidence grew
> out of that - I could
> rely on myself rather than a hard disk. From an
> improvising standpoint it
> was a great learning experience. It's certainly not
> a concept you can
> easily market, yet I'm glad to have had it....
> Lately I've been re-listening to a lot of old 90's
> industrial music that I
> loved back in it's time. Even filling out my
> collections of various bands
> to get all the stuff I missed back when I couldn't
> afford more than the
> occasional cd. Godflesh, Meat Beat Manifesto, Puppy,
> Ministry, FLA, etc. It
> is really interesting to hear some of these bands
> develop over time to
> their greatest moments. Much of what makes
> industrial music work is the
> thudding aggressive repetition of the loops. But
> oftentimes that's where it
> failed too. Some of it just goes nowhere with that.
> For example today I listened to various Meat Beat
> albums. Early MBM just
> seems too repetitive and one-dimensional compared to
> their later albums. It
> has some moments, but overall it feels restricted by
> the sameness of the
> repetition. Whereas later albums really developed an
> ability to work with
> the repetitive elements more. Some things change
> while others don't, some
> elements mutate over time, some elements drop out
> and come back later.
> There's more song structure, and more depth. Did
> Jack just get better? or
> have better tools available? I don't know. Going
> from Storm the Studio to
> Satyricon to Actual Sounds and Voices it was really
> obvious, the music gets
> much more interesting for me. Yet even so, there is
> still a chunky feeling.
> "Ok, let's turn this chunk on!" "Now mute this chunk
> and sing over it".
> "Now let's fade in this other chunk and play a short
> wave radio
> sample!" It feels very constructed. Don't get me
> wrong, it's brilliant, I
> can listen to it all day (and I did....) but they
> never quite get the
> in-the-moment live feeling, and sometimes I really
> miss the energy of that.
> And maybe that's the point of where I'm going with
> this. I enjoy listening
> to people like Andre, (or so many others here)
> because there's something
> alive about it. It's loops and repetition that I
> always like, but it's
> spontaneous and live and on the edge at the same
> time. Not the stiffly
> constructed loop music of the 90's. It never feels
> like, "well I recorded
> this loop 9 months ago, and I have to use it
> somewhere, so how about here!"
> boooorrrring. You can only do so much with an amen
> break, a tb-303, an old
> metal guitar loop, and samples from blade runner and
> a porno, and it was
> already done better than you're going to do it
> anyway. I think it's time to
> move on from that. play live!
> Kim Flint | Looper's Delight
> firstname.lastname@example.org |
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