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Re: only a A part?
On Saturday, October 12, 2002, at 03:42 PM, Andre LaFosse wrote:
> Yo Mark,
> Ya said:
>> While I LOVE the things Amy X and Brian Kenny Fresno do with their
>> loopers (Brian's a JamMan guy) I always get the feeling that they're
>> just trying to get away with not having to deal with not having a
>> you know?
> That's not my take on either of those two at all. The only way I could
> see Amy doing her thing with "a band" would be if her band was half a
> dozen or more clones of herself, all singing together and starting or
> stopping on a dime. And that in itself wouldn't take her own
> post-modernist/sample-based theatrical performative element into
> consideration (i.e. very visibly beating on her drumKAT controller
> different EDP things leap out), which is such a big part of her
I was not cutting Amy's thing down, I love her act, I just said I don't
think it's for me. You never know though...
I like her music a lot, and I never said her method was not valid in
any way. I was not making a judgment call as to whether or not
constructing a performance the way she does has any merit. I'm
actually toying with the idea myself, but I'm not sure... that sounds
>> Sure, the
>> looper helps her do her show more easily,
> See my last comment above - I really don't perceive her thing as being
> "replacement" for a hypothetical band of multiple Amy Neubergs (which
> what she'd need to play her stuff sans EDP). It strikes me as being a
> very direct use of the EDP on its own terms, frequently to musical ends
> that COULDN'T be acheived without it.
I disagree. I've seen people do music like Amy's and Brian's in a band
setup. Nothing she did was impossible without the EDP... unless she
did backwards stuff, which I can't recall now. I'm not discounting the
fact that it being her over and over didn't give the music a twist, but
was it essential to the song? Maybe, but I don't think so. I'd love
to see her with a little band doing those pieces. I think it would be
equally as interesting.
> Third perspective: might one say that playing along to sequences and
> drum machines would be at least as much of a "band substitute" as
> layering numerous vocal overdubs?
>> but is that what loopers are
>> about? Not for me, I think.
> But for her, apparently so, yes?
Yes! Of course, or I would have said, "For jerks." ;)
> How incredibly boring would it be if people automatically assumed that
> looping was supposed to be used for a specific musical style or
> Oh wait... that's pretty much the way it is anyway! ;)
Is it? At the SLO and Santa Cruz loopfests, I saw an a bunch of
different approaches and devices. Each act had it's own personality
IMO. I cringed when someone (I won't mention them to protect the
guilty) said, "... I can't spent too much time in there (S.C), so much
of this looping is so generic..." I didn't totally dig all the acts
either... who could? But I didn't hear much that I would have labeled
> To me it seems to be the difference between
>> making soup from a receipe or going to a market, buying what seems
>> and then making it up from scratch.
>> Sure, you'll come up with stuff
>> that's not so edible sometimes, but you learn with time.
> Could it be that the "learning with time" angle is another way of
> describing a person coming up with their own recipie, which they then
> draw upon in their work?
Well, yes, I'm sure themes do develop in inprov and can be useful in a
set piece, but I'm less interested in that and more in that magic when
it "comes from thin air." That said, I love a lot of pop music.
>> Maybe this
>> not so interesting for the audience, but it's a hell of a lot more
>> interesting to me as a musician, and to be honest, with the money I
>> made doing more pop structured music, I'm in this for fun now.
> This does raise the question: why DO you take your music in front of an
> audience, if getting what you do across to them isn't much of a
> in comparison to your own enjoyment - which you say is paramount in
> concerns, and could certainly be done on your own?
Mainly to get blowjobs from groupies. No, seriously, I gig live
because I'm hesitent to join a gym, the contracts, the high fees...
Just lug your gear around! Now I kick sand in all the geeks faces at
OK, you got me... I actually do want the love and recognision of my
fellow humans. There I said it. I'm crying out for attention. I want
to be liked and admired. I want to inspire others, like musicians have
inspired me. It took 35 years, but when a woman said, "Oooo you've got
an eBow" (Yeah, that's right KIM!) and I married that woman as fast as
I could! It took me 23 years of playing before I finally slept with a
fan. Man, I must suck! Do you like me Andre? Please like me because
I like you. I want to be liked. I don't mean to be evil... I just
can't help it.
> All in good humor - but serious interest and intent...
I find no humor in your words and challenge you! Pistols at sunrise!