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Re: Stereo EDP -- some statistics and an opinion...

OK - this gets my dander up!  :-)  So....

Adopting Curmudgeonly Kirkdorffer Persona:

Stereo shmereo - what a paper tiger!! - a few thoughts:

1) all natural (as opposed to electrically enhanced) instruments are mono.
2) I'm guessing 80% of Looper-Delight readers are electric guitarists. 
3) Electric guitars, bases, violins, tubas, bazookis, kazoos,  and voice 
all mono.
4) If you're creating a stereo field with your instrument, you're likely
going through a few pieces of gear to artificially create that field -- 
OR -- you're playing some kind of (somewhat) more upscale or esoteric
electronic instrument -- a groovebox or keyboard/synthesizer for example.
5) If it's been important to you to buy the tools to create the stereo
field -- you've decided it's worth spending the money to get to stereo -- 
cool.  And you have a stereo amp, and two monitors.
6) If you can afford stereo-enabling devices -- you probably have more than
one of them.
7) If you can afford to invest in stereo devices, can afford two monitors
and have a stereo amp, you are probably a lot closer to affording a second
EDP than you're letting on.

F  A  C  T  - 1:  Here are stats from that big EDP "restart" order I helped
organize with Gibson at the end of 1999.

    89% wanted 1 EDP
     9% wanted 2 EDP's
     2% wanted 3 EDP's

F  A  C  T  - 2:  From a Looping Device Market Penetration and Demand study
I did in in 1997, 46% of EDP owners at the time indicated they would buy
another EDP if priced at $700 +/- 10%.  (If you want a copy of this report,
let me know).

It seems if you need a stereo edp, here are your basic options:

    1) Present an economic case to Gibson for them to build it
    2) Design one yourself and build it -- if you think there's sustaining
market demand for it, set up shop and make more.
    3) Buy a second unit: $649.99 from Alto Music.

    4) Buy a used unit when they come for sale -- and they do!

I chose option 3.  For me, it was clearly the cheapest, most effective and
quickest way to get what I needed.

Exiting Curmudgeonly Kirkdorffer Persona.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Hamburg" <mark_hamburg@baymoon.com>
To: "Looper's Delight" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:37 AM
Subject: Re: Stereo EDP

> on 8/25/03 8:22 PM, Greg House at ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote:
> > And frankly, I don't care for someone telling me what I need when I'm
the one
> > sitting with my rig going "crap, I need a mixer now." I have to buy 
> > for
> > the sole reason of WORKING AROUND basic product deficiencies like 
> > incompatibilities or the fact that there's one box in the mix that's 
> > stereo.
> That was my basic point.
> The EDP not doing stereo looping is potentially disappointing. If you've
> stereo signals and you want to loop them and walk away, a stereo looper 
> pretty important. If you've got sounds that you have carefully placed in
> stereo field, a stereo looper is pretty important. But if stereo were
> critical all the time, you'd think that more mix boards would have stereo
> effects sends instead of mono sends.
> Not being stereo friendly, however -- i.e., not having stereo throughs --
> means that the EDP rapidly forces a need for a mixer as well and that
> both money and rack space. (Or it forces a need for a second EDP that 
> allow you to work in stereo for most but not quite all features.)
> Being mono isn't necessarily a huge barrier to entry. Not being able to
> nicely with stereo equipment without help is a barrier to entry in all 
> the simplest setups and in those setups its a pain that you've got to 
> place to balance a rack mount item and hook up a separate foot pedal.
> Mark