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Re: EDP losing half a beat on nextloop w/ SR-16 drum machine

Problem solved!! Thanx so much Kim for helping me with this, it works 
exactly as you said it would!!
Also want to thank David Grossman and Andy Butler for their help, as well. 
The next gig should be stellar, thanx to this. Anyone who is interested 
go to http://davebray.com to hear a few mp3s using this awesome unit. Now 
am headed to the donation link. Thanx again, dave bray

>From: Kim Flint <kflint@loopers-delight.com>
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject: Re: EDP losing half a beat on nextloop w/ SR-16 drum machine
>Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 19:08:59 -0700
>Hi Dave-
>At 12:19 PM 6/17/2004, Dave Bray wrote:
>>Thanx for the help, though, I still have not solved it. I have 
>>set to Loop, as of now. Here is an interesting symtom, that may assist. 
>>When I end the recording of Loop 2 w/ Record, loop 2 is in perfect 
>>alignment. Then, I hit NextLoop to get into Loop 1. It quantizes, 
>>for Loop 2 to end, but instead of ending at the end of Loop 2 and 
>>switching back into Loop 1, it plays 1/2 of a beat extra of Loop 2, 
>>must actually be the beginning of Loop 2, before switching into Loop 1. 
>>So, now Loop 1 is off-beat. ????? Many thanx, dave
>>>At 10:05 14/06/04, you wrote:
>>>>One is..I hit the next loop button, and the EDP switches into Loop 1 
>>>>when Loop 2 has ended Im using Quantize=Loop). Loop 1 sounds fine, but 
>>>>going back to Loop 2, the EDP is perfectly upsidedown beatwise.
>sorry it took me a long time to reply to this.
>I think I know what your problem is. We found a problem when using 
>AutoRecord or NextRecord and Sync in. It gives the sort of problems you 
>describe. Fortunately there is an easy alternate method to do the same 
>thing using one of the more advanced functions, called TimeCopy. In fact, 
>TimeCopy is really the better way to do this anyway. Using TimeCopy to 
>create the new loops is much more flexible than using AutoRecord.
>So instead of using AutoRecord, all you need to do is use the TimeCopy 
>function. When you are using Sync=in and quantize, the two are pretty 
>the same. Do this:
>set AutoRecord = off
>set LoopCopy = ti (time)
>set RoundMode = rnd (you may want to check the manual to see what this 
>Now, when you switch into a reset loop, you will begin doing a TimeCopy 
>instead of AutoRecord. You will see the time counting off, and multiples 
>counting according to your tempo. You can record audio during this time, 
>and it is really just like using AutoRecord. The only difference comes at 
>the end. To end the loop, press the Insert button (instead of the Record 
>button.) The loop will round off and begin looping. It will then sync to 
>the midi clock correctly.
>You may want to check the manual and the Looper's Delight echoplex FAQ 
>more info on Loop TimeCopy. This function makes sure the new loop is 
>on the same cycle time as the loop you are coming from, but it doesn't 
>the audio like SoundCopy. It just copies the time and lets you record new 
>material onto it. Since the first loop is based on the midi clock, you 
>get a time base from the same clock. This is very much like using the 
>Insert function, and indeed what the echoplex is really doing is "Insert 
>into an new Loop". that's why you end with a press of Insert. (sound copy 
>is similar, except it is multiplying into a new loop.)
>You can also use TimeCopy without setting the parameter. If you have 
>SwitchQuant on, after you press NextLoop it goes into a waiting period 
>until the loop switches. During that time, press Insert. This will do 
>TimeCopy in the new loop. (similarly, you can press Multiply during that 
>time to do SoundCopy). I prefer this method myself, since it gives me 
>complete control over what happens after the loop switch. If you dig 
>in the manual, this is all in there. Take a look, there may be more 
>explanation there then what I've written here.
>I hope this helps. Let me know if there is something that doesn't make 
>Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight
>kflint@loopers-delight.com    | http://www.loopers-delight.com