Hey tim!! thanks... How is Frank..?? Please email his address to me OFF LIST... I will check out the STOCKHAUSEN.. I love him! But ..wait-- are we talking about looping..... And thanks Dave --are ALL the beats electro?? Ya cant tell these days..these kid's i'll tell ya! I think in a review it was claimed some were computer. Either way --- there's a dude I saw open for SQUAREPUSHER -- he was doing INSANE electronic music ..all with his mouth -- I mean like simulated PHASING..Stuttering...all kinds of drum + synth tones... Anyone know who this was ..? "human orchestra" or 'human beatbox'. >>If you like "otherworldly" vocals, a capella, check out Stockhausen's "Stimmung." This'll do it for ya. Not as spine-tingling as the Ligetti choral stuff on "2001: A Space Odyssey," but a worthwhile listen.