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Re: looping with other musicians
If you're creating rhythmic loops, either everyone follows the pulse of
the loops, or you get a machine to stretch the loop as needed, or you
keep your loops short and with few layers so you can re-record on the
If you're playing with people who use terms like "selfish forced
mechanized looped groove", then I wouldn't spend much time with the
first approach. I usually end up playing with people I like to play
with for various reasons totally independent of their acceptance or
ability to work with loops of any sort. I don't have the luxury of
replacing someone who's not in line with my looping outlook (a very
small subset of my musical philosophy when playing in a non-solo
context). So, if they click with loops, great, and if they don't I'm
not going to give them a Come To Jesus talk.
For me, much of the beauty of loops is the mechanized repetition. You
can add and subtract to the groove, but having a steady pulse has its
own strong appeal. The two ensemble situations I've been in where
looping worked really well were a drummerless trio with a dj/programmer
where everyone followed the forced mechanized groove loops in his
sequencer and with a particular drummer who absolutely loved to play
with a groove box handling the basic timekeeping role. If everyone in
your band is comfortable with a click, the click vanishes and the
groove doesn't feel labored.
The second to last thing I want to do onstage is worry about when to
re-record a loop because the collective tempo has shifted.
On Oct 16, 2004, at 1:42 PM,
> Want to know the secret to playing loops with groups? I contend that
> its all in your state of mind! To many times I hear people ask how
> they can get the bass player or drummer to follow their guitar loops.
> WRONG. If you want to make loops while playing with other musicians,
> you have to find a way to be able to **follow the other musicians**.
> There is a subtle balance between musicians when everyone is "in the
> groove." No one person is determining it, and everyone is working
> together to create it. IMHO, Its just plain selfish to interupt that
> balance with your forced mechanized looped groove and ask the other
> musicians to blindly follow you.