If you're creating rhythmic loops, either everyone follows the pulse of the loops, or you get a machine to stretch the loop as needed, or you keep your loops short and with few layers so you can re-record on the fly. If you're playing with people who use terms like "selfish forced mechanized looped groove", then I wouldn't spend much time with the first approach. I usually end up playing with people I like to play with for various reasons totally independent of their acceptance or ability to work with loops of any sort. I don't have the luxury of replacing someone who's not in line with my looping outlook (a very small subset of my musical philosophy when playing in a non-solo context). So, if they click with loops, great, and if they don't I'm not going to give them a Come To Jesus talk. For me, much of the beauty of loops is the mechanized repetition. You can add and subtract to the groove, but having a steady pulse has its own strong appeal. The two ensemble situations I've been in where looping worked really well were a drummerless trio with a dj/programmer where everyone followed the forced mechanized groove loops in his sequencer and with a particular drummer who absolutely loved to play with a groove box handling the basic timekeeping role. If everyone in your band is comfortable with a click, the click vanishes and the groove doesn't feel labored. The second to last thing I want to do onstage is worry about when to re-record a loop because the collective tempo has shifted. TravisH On Oct 16, 2004, at 1:42 PM, Loopers-Delightfirstname.lastname@example.org wrote: > Want to know the secret to playing loops with groups? I contend that > its all in your state of mind! To many times I hear people ask how > they can get the bass player or drummer to follow their guitar loops. > WRONG. If you want to make loops while playing with other musicians, > you have to find a way to be able to **follow the other musicians**. > There is a subtle balance between musicians when everyone is "in the > groove." No one person is determining it, and everyone is working > together to create it. IMHO, Its just plain selfish to interupt that > balance with your forced mechanized looped groove and ask the other > musicians to blindly follow you.