--- Travis Hartnett <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote: > > I am curious how many of us use looping as a way > of playing more > > "conventional" music and how many of us are making > the beeps and > > bloops? A good question... but I don't think it's necessarily relevant. "Beeps and Boops" to me is an onamonapiadioc (did I just make up a word?) way of talking about timbre. I think it's foolish to say that timbre doesn't factor into composition, improvised or not. I don't plan on abandoning my sound design experiments in my music at all... Listen to the newer Radiohead music (especially Kid A). They do a great job IMO of using modern electronics and loops in a pop song context. I think when Mr. Devilstickuphisuptighthippyass was condemning "beeps and boops" he was probably talking about the difference between sonic rambling experiments and tighter pre-thought out pieces. If there are people who've not heard Mouse On Mars, you're missing out on a group that is amazing at making beautiful compositions using "beeps and boops" but it's obvious that their music is very composed. I think what I'm trying to say is that just because a certain instrument/sound has become associated with a genera, it's unfair to label music a genera solely on the instruments/tools/timbres it's using.