kim wrote: "....with people who are serious about looping and have been doing it for some time, they usually are performing a whole process with loops. Building it up, taking stuff out, manipulating the loops, changing the loops, evolving it from one thing to another. There is not some static point where you would save something. " I agree with you there, kim, but on my last long tour, I saved my favorite loops onto my Repeater and now am having a lot of fun going back and using them as Ur loops in new compositions (which are not real time), completely out of the context with which they were made originally. I personally love going back and forth between using loops in a dynamic way in concert and using them in a more 'step dynamic' building block way in computer composition. In fact, I tend to alternate between live looping recordings and more formal computer oriented compositional recordings. I think the best thing I ever recorded is Purple Hand which although not a live looping recording is, nonetheless, completely influenced by not only what I've played in a live looping context but also by what I've heard others do similarly. A lot of times I think of my live performances as a labratory for my later more formal compositions (this is also true because I'm such a limited instrumentalist on so many of the instruments that I 'play' so I have to take time to learn and record my parts to be up to par with a commercial release.) Consequently, the ability to save loops is a really desireable feature to me. A lot of times, and I don't know if I'm alone, I'll listen to a live looper start layering a track in concert and get to a point where I truly wish they would go in a certain direction with it that they don't. I've always longed to have a very compact digital recorder to capture such moments.............sneak away, make a piece with the 'stolen' loop and return it to the artist as a possible collaboration. <chuckle> I know that's hopelessly narcissistic but I'll bet a lot of loop artists have similar feelings listening to some of there comrades live.