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RE: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US...

Rick,i was asked one time to explain the rumba clave
in 6/8 to somebody and i had a real difficult time
doing it,so i set up the metronome to 3/4 and told him
to first tap his hand on the table on the one with his
left hand and then repeat: 
"together, right together,right left right,together"
and then tap with the right hand accordingly to what
he is saying,with the right on the offbeat or together
with the left hand on the downbeat,then when you take
the left hand you would have the clave on the right
hand.He did get it when tapping the hands together but
taking the left hand just proved to difficult,i mean
how would you explain it with syllables?

--- "loop.pool" <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

> Warren wrote:
> "And my mantra for rhumba clave is:
> Foot, da foot, da foot big foot"
> Cool Warren,
> I love pnemonics............this particular one that
> you choose, however, 
> works to remind you of  when you
> learned the rhythm initially;    another piece of
> holographic stored 
> information that reminds us of the experience.
> but if you gave it to some one who didn't know the
> rhythm or wasn't there 
> when you learned it,
> there is too much information missing to reconstruct
> the rhythm.
> What I mean is that there are rests between the
> syllables.
> But, how many rests are there?    I know because I
> know the music but a rank 
> beginner might not be able to reconstruct this
> particular one.
> This mantra is also clever in the fact that it gives
> you the reference to 
> the downbeat, but again, for someone who didn't know
> it
> in the first place, they would think that Rumba
> Clave has 7 notes in it, 
> when in fact, it has 5.
> Using that Indian phrasing system is a little bit
> more of an accurate map 
> because it includes all of the points
> in what I call the *Syncopative Resolution of the
> rhythm.
> Rhumba Clave is
> (Ta ki ta)(Ta ki di mi)(Ta ki ta)(Ta ki)(Ta ki di
> mi)
> or in Western rhythm speak:
>   >            >                >           >       
>  >
>   1  e   +   a   2  e  +   a   3  e   +   a    4   e
>  +  a
>   (and by the way,  because this mantra works for
> you, it is as accurate a 
> map of the rhythm
> as you need because you can find your way there,
> right?)
> * About the phrase Syncopative Resolution,  I hate
> making up terms but 
> Western Classical music, to my knowledge,
> has no exact term for the lowest common note
> resolution in a groove.  For 
> years I used the word Meter and then found out that
> I had
> used the term incorrectly.   It only means the time
> signature,  NOT the 
> lowest note value used, underlying the entire
> rhythm.
> So, by Syncopative Resolution, I mean the lowest
> note value that is part of 
> the 'groove' of a piece of music.  In other words if
> you have
> a 16th note funk groove and the drummer plays a
> little 32nd note 
> embellishment on his or her hi hats  the Syncopative
> Resolution is
> 16th notes,  NOT 32nd notes.
> When you are analyzing a rhythm to try and get it's
> feel correctly, it is 
> very important that you know what that resolution
> is.
> Remember that if you have two measures of 8th notes
> in a pop groove and 
> there is just one single 16th note offbeat on a kick
> drum
> that the entire piece has a Syncopative Resolution
> of 16th notes,  NOT 8th 
> notes.
> I tell my drum and bass students that it only takes
> one offbeat 16th note 
> per two measures to turn a Rock or Soul groove into
> a Funk groove.


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