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Re: LOOPING ACOUSTIC DRUMSET INVENTION



Very cool ideas, I forwarded this to a couple of drummers I know who 
are pursuing similar concepts. Rick, we need pictures and audio clips! 
:-)
On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 02:34 AM, loop.pool wrote:

> Kevin and I have been having an off list discussion about our love for 
> simulating
> electronic sounds by using all acoustic methods and he asked me about a
> Drum and Bass kit that I had eluded to in an earlier post.
>
> I sat down tonight (my first night out of bed after five days of one 
> of the worst viral bugs that i've had)
> and wrote it out.I thought I'd share for anyone out there who is 
> interested in the acoustic kit and it's possibilities in
> looping.   This kit mics like a dream with a split mic channel with 
> two D112 Kick mics and on Shure SM 81 or
> AKG C1000s overhead.........................mono all the way baby!
>
> yours,  Rick
>
> ************************************************
> D&B/DOWNTEMPO  specialty kit
>
> What I set out to create was the equivalent of what the software 
> program ReCycle does
> for audio drum tracks.
>
> You can pitch the kit up (jungle, D&B) or down (Trip Hop, Downtempo, 
> Abstract Electronica, Chill),
> slice it up and then rearrange it.
>
> Consequently I wanted to acoustically reproduce the sounds of drum 
> sounds pitched up or down on a sampler.
> (the higher the pitch, the shorter the envelope----the lower teh pitch 
> the longer the envelope)
>
> Additionally I wanted to use cymbal combinations that sounded more 
> like artificial synth drums, old analogue drum machine sounds
> or even highly processed drum sounds.
>
> What I came up with was
>
> a two side drum kit
>
> LEFT SIDE   (jungle, D&B, analogue drum machine----higher pitched)
>
> three custom made snare drums (using old fiberglass Pearl concert tom 
> tom shells from the 70's)
> 6", 8", 10"        These are on a rotating even plain off of an old 
> Ludwig tri-tom so that I can rotate which ever one close in to me
>
> They sit to the left of an 8"  Marco Mineman Meinl  electro hi 
> hats.............very high pitched, very electronic sounding---just 
> like normal hats pitched
> upwards on a sampler
>
> then the main snare drum---------------whatever I'm into but I"m 
> digging an old 60's  piccolo Supraphonic that I"ve had forever tuned, 
> surprisingly, rather full (not high pitched)  Still it sounds like a 
> normal snare drum---it's got a killer die cast rim on it, though for 
> all that great electronica rim click stuff (and reggae, african and 
> latin).
>
> The kick drums are bizarre inventions of mine (inspired but the 
> drummer of Mari Boine's band from Norway)
> One is a 12"  Purecussion tom tom with thick naugahyde glued to both 
> sides of the head on an LP footpedal designed for cowbells and 
> woodblocks
> the other is the 14"  tom tom with hideous amounts of gaffing tape 
> covering both sides with the same footpedal assembly
>
> the 12"  'kick'  is tuned up like a hi pitched Drum and Bass kick
> the 14"   sounds incredibly like a massive TR 808 drum machine kick 
> ..........you know the one you hear in rap all the time that has a low 
> but
> very clear fundamental tone and a long envelope.
>
> both of these kicks sound like hell from a foot away, but if you put 
> your ear right next to them they sound like god , so I mike them 
> incredibly tightly.
>
> RIGHT SIDE  (half speed,  trip hop, downtempo, chill)
>
> a big double headed 26" kick drum tuned close to slack and very , very 
> deep but without a lot of sustaining tone
> a big 10" X 14"  Ludwig Coliseum snare drum (also with that awesome 
> Ludwig die cast rim---the absolute loudest die cast rim made on 
> earth--I know because I've owned one of all of them at  one time or 
> another)   tuned incredibly slack with the snares just rattling.
> I really wanted that long, sloppy, detuned vibe of a trip hop beat 
> that was originally at 120 beats a minute
> and piece de resistance,   two very old 60's Japanese crash cymbals 
> purchased at the flea market.     Because the Japanese make such 
> incredible drumsets these days, a lot of people forget that they made 
> the world's worst drum sets in the 1960's...by 
> far....................bad for world 
> drummers...................excellent for me.........lol
> These things are so cheap that they are very thin and as we know in 
> the cymbal world,  the thinner
> the cymbal the lower the pitch (give the same diameter).
> I use these two as ersatz downsampled hi hats.  I don't even put a 
> clutch on them, nor do I tighten them down.
> Just resting on each other they sound like perfectly like detuned 
> samples of normal hi hats
>
> I compliment this all with an array of small specialty cymbals that I 
> have collected over the ages...........including cymbals that sound 
> curiously like the
> TR 808 ride cymbal sounds------flange cymbals-----mega bells-----jing 
> cymbals from china-----stacks of small splashes and cut down cymbals 
> that make really nice white noise crash sounds.
> I'm also proud of the finishing touch which is an invention of mine:
> One very, very heavy set of six 60's Japanese hi hat cymbals that I 
> put goggles on and beat the holy living hell out of with a ball peen 
> hammer. I squashed the bells to flat and then put as many pings into 
> them as possible.   The more pings, the more overtones.    this thing 
> makes the most awesome simulation of a synthesizer white noise, 
> clapping sound and they are loud as hell.     By using felts and 
> tighening and loosening the wing nut I can
> change the length of the envelope from very tight to very long from 
> song to song.
>
> Then to make things interesting I play these things with a plethora of 
> different kinds of beaters and sticks to get different timbres out of 
> them:
> I have chicken scrapers that make it sound like a very, very quick 
> multiple digital delay hit on a snare drum..................knitting 
> needles whose
> head sounds like electronic hi hats on even a normal pair of 
> hihats----various kinds of brushes----a bunch of inventions of mine 
> where I
> but a strip of the fuzz side of velcro on several different sizes of 
> stick, mallets and brushes and the I sewed everything from dry Indian 
> jingles
> to tambourined jingles to poker chips to seed pod gourds to the stick 
> side of several strips of velcro and , voila,  instant percussion 
> stick.
>
> this is a particularly cool effect if you are doing some kind of a 
> hand over hand accented pattern like a bo diddley beat with a velcro 
> stick in one hand and a normal stick in the other.   You hear the 
> accented tom tom lick of the bo diddley beat but you simultaneously 
> hear a funky constant 8th note pattern on whatever jingle texture you 
> have provided.................it's like having your own maraca 
> player..................without having to pay him or her...........Bo 
> Diddley eat your heart out.