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RE: Was Rodrigo y Gabriela /Pickups for classical guitars

The newer fishman blender units that combine and under saddle transducer 
mic, with a non evasive soundhole mounted control surface, sound very nice,
however beware just how touchy the mic side of things can be, you know the
shreaking feedback back kind that makes us temporarily forget why we came 
the gig in the first place. I was under the impression that the trance can
work for classical guitar but I'm not sure. For my money, I like the DTAR
Timberline undersaddle pickup that my friend Rick Turner helped design. OK
I'm biased,  but I heard it installed in his Ramirez classical and it
sounded better than any system I've heard so far, including my RMC which I
like, and am attached to somewhat because of its roland GK capabiltity. But
the Timberline had a higher voltage preamp running on 2 AA batteries with a
voltage tripling cuircut pushing a full 18 volts, and the extra headroom
translated in to better dynamic range, cleaner high end, and less of the
dreaded quack. I'm seriously considering yanking my roland ready RMC pickup
out of my flamenco guitar in favor of a timberline, however, I'm holding 
another year or so to see if Roland will once again step up to the plate 
come out with a guitar synth, with an actual real sound engine and a deep
enough interface that a pro could love. I read every ones rants about the
state of guitar synthesis with great empathy, since I been playing there
stuff since the early 80's when I had a roland strat style guitar and a 
GR300 module, Ive seen roland go through the process of building up and
dumbing down there products for a while now, and I'm holding out hope, that
they are going to come up with something new that might perhaps touch on
both the GR synth stuff but the VG8 modeling as well. Something that can
satisfy both crowds. Let's wait and see.

-----Original Message-----
From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se]
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 5:49 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Rodrigo y Gabriela

Hi Luis,

I just listened back to the interview we did yesterday to fresh up my
memory, and they do not use the Fishman Rare Earth system. Rod and
Gab plays nylon stringed guitars, built by Frank Tate in Belfast.
They are designed like Flamenco or Spanish Classical guitars but with
some changes. Rod's guitar has a thinner neck, because he plays all
the fast running scales (they started out as trash metal players and
he can not re-learn his left hand to run over a normally thick
spanish guitar neck). Rod's guitar also has a thinner body to give
him a thinner sound that will be able to cut trough on the single-
string melodies he plays with a pick. Gabrielas guitar is more
similar to the traditional Flamenco guitar, more suitable for her
"aggressive drum kit" playing style. She uses a kind of re-worked
flamenco right hand technique to create sounds all over the sonic
spectrum - from low kick drum to sharp castanjetas. Both guitars are
equipped with the Fishman Blender, stereo version. This stereo
version allows the sound engineer to separate different frequencies
in a better way than with the normal Fishman mics. As I said in the
other post he is also dividing the two guitar stereo signals by EQ to
treat different bands differently. I guess by applying different
compression - that's the only thing I can think of that would create
such a massive "guitar percussion" sound live. In total 24 mixer
channels is used to set the live sound. The live engineer has been
working with them for years and they did the sound check in seven
minutes. Everything already worked out, except for adjusting for the
venue's acoustics (settings that will have to be changed anyway
during the first song when the room is filled with the audience).
They told me there will be a new Fishman available in a couple of
months that will allow a better placement inside the guitar body.
Couldn't find any info on that on the Fishman web site though.


Frank Tate from Belfast.

On 11 feb 2006, at 09.10, Luis Angulo wrote:

> Per, are u talking about the rare earth blend system?
> This would interest me because i play the spanish
> guitar and use some o those flamenco techniques but my
> mounted fishman piezo is not very efficient for that
> and i have to hit the guitar really on the bridge to
> get the kick and the snare u can forget about it.i
> havent found a satisfying system for nylon string that
> i like but i just installed a trance audio transducer
> system on my steel and that is a bomb!too bad that is
> not suited for spanish guitars.
> Luis
> --- Per Boysen <per@boysen.se> wrote:
>> On 10 feb 2006, at 20.09, Todd Pafford wrote:
>>> Rodrigo y Gabriela
>>> http://www.rodgab.com/index.html
>> Yep, that's them. I just got back from their gig
>> here in Stockholm.
>> Did an interview for a guitar mag as well. Very nice
>> people and what
>> a gig and what a sound! Stereo Fishman mic in each
>> guitar and skilled
>> old buddy sound man tweaking it over the PA through
>> 24 channels,
>> properly EQ'ed. Gab's guitar sounded like a huge
>> drum kit with
>> percussion. It was hard to believe that a Spanish
>> Guitar cold produce
>> such a deep kick drum sound, but there it was.