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Re: Short loop fades more quickly than long loop with same feedback setting

On 28 sep 2006, at 07.49, Warren Sirota wrote:

> How do you create a swell with destructive feedback, anyway? As I  
> recall, at
> least on the EDP, no matter where you set the feedback knob, the  
> volume of
> the loop never increases without new input.

You can "pump" the feedback knob/pedal to decrease/increase playback  
level. On the EDP this works as long as you stay in the same loop  
round ( I think...). This will create tremolo or quick fade-in/out  
effects in the audio. This is a technique I'm using a lot for playing  
the EDP as well as Mobius (where you have the infinite Undo/Redo  
history to go back if you should overdo it by mistake)

> It still seems to me that the destructive nature of the feedback is an
> implementation artifact rather than a feature.

Yes, I think you are correct IF we are talking about "using feedback  
as a way to cheat a fading function". But Feedback is a completely  
different function compared to Fading. Anyone interested should try  
to PLAY with these function and learn what they are good, and less  
good, for.

> Per said:
>> One good thing with using feedback to fade out a loop is that you
>> simply reduce the feedback a little and then you are free to
>> do other
>> things like looping on a different channel/looper while the first
>> channel/loop fades out by feedback layer downscaling.
On 28 sep 2006, at 05.57, Warren Sirota wrote:

> And this is different than fading a track or group of tracks while  
> playing
> or looping on others?

Yes. A lot different.

> I'm beginning to feel like we're talking about the
> same thing with different words here....

I think you feel that way because you just don't need that particular  
functionality that sets feedback and fading apart. I too design my my  
looping rig from my musical need, as opposed to designing it from  
"feature specifications" and I think that is very important. I  
especially take care to cut out, from my palette, everything that I  
don't need to be creative. At least for myself, I think it's much  
easier to create interesting music/sound when you have less options  
to keep instantly accessible in your working imagination. "Kill your  
darlings" as we say ;-)

BTW I have different knobs/faders/pedals for two types of feedback  
(as those "pedals interface modes" of the EDP) as well as looper/ 
track level. IMHO they are all different tools.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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