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RE: MAX/msp question
but, building a max external to do the looping, with all the appropriate
'inlets/outlets' exposed, would do the trick for many people.. giving the
developer access to all paramters, as well as allowing audio to be
and post... but, writing a robust looper in any programming environment
Quoting Jeff Larson <firstname.lastname@example.org>:
> From: Stefan Tiedje [mailto:Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de]
> > Jeff Larson wrote:
> > > but I cannot imagine implementing them by drawing pictures
> > > in Max. But I look forward to the Max-o-philes telling me I'm wrong
> > Its called crossfade, you fade the end out while fading the beginning
> > in. Very possible in Max. You just need to think about times. Your
> > has to be longer by the crossfade time...
> Yes, I know about crossfade. But saying something is possible in Max
> is like saying something is possible in C. Lots of things are
> possible, but that doesn't mean they're easy, or that anyone will ever
> do them.
> A looper with the complexity of something like an EDP contains an
> enormous amount of logic, it isn't just data flow through a graph of
> connected objects. The thing I find most awkward in Max are all those
> places where "you just need to think".
> Expressing complex logic by connecting graphical objects like =, +, <,
> &&, abs, etc. is excruciating. The next step of course is to start
> applications, so eventually you need Java which is quite powerful,
> and requires even more skill. But it is difficult to debug
> because you're running inside a C application. Java programmers
> are accustomed to using tools where you can set breakpoints and
> browse the memory model. In Max you have to rely on trace messages
> which are very tedious.
> Or you could use C++ which is easier to debug, but at this point the
> audience is limited to hard core programmers, and a programmer is
> going to wonder whether to write something that will only run in Max,
> or do a bit more work and write a VST plugin or a standalone application
> that will run anywhere with no 3rd party entanglements.
> So, while I'm willing to believe that many things are theoretically
> possible in Max, I still maintain that you will never see a Looper
> that comes anywhere close to the complexity of the EDP written in Max.
> And I don't mean just a multi track looper with multiply and overdub.
> I mean unlimited undo, continuous feedback, MIDI synchronization,
> loop windowing, beat quantization, SwitchQuant, alternate endings,
> and a few hundred other things. I wait to be proven wrong :-)
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