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Re: New Member - was Buying Advice, now That First Loop

Or alternatively:-

The most accurate and reliable  method to create that first loop is
to tap at the beginning of the loop, and then tap at the end.
By using the same method to start the loop as to end it, there's
a slight (but significant) advantage in that any timing discrepancies
between the tapping and the playing will cancel out.
(e.g. if you tap slighty early both times, you still get an accurate loop 
Any method that uses 2 different actions to start and end the loop is 
to mess with accurate timing.

While it's often recommended to play a rhythm part through a couple of 
before recording it this does not give any advantage, you still have to
learn to co-ordinate yourself ,you don't learn any of the looping 
skills you'd need for more complex arrangements and it doesn't
sound/look as cool.

The tap-play-tap method may seem a bit hard at first, but it's actually not
at all hard to learn, I've seen people "get it" in about 5 mins of trying.
(just practise a short rhythm loop till it works).

Respect to Dave for describing a couple of other techniques.

I'd also say that it's better to turn off the pre-set tempo on the looper,
and just tap in the loop. 
(unless you need to sync up for some reason}

andy butler



Dave Gallaher wrote:
> I assume the Boss Loop Station you have is like mine, and therefore has 
> Autostart setting available.  This will reduce 50% of your loop error
> potential right off the bat if you are starting from silence.  Select
> Autostart; set the level to the point where a well-played note (but not 
> accidental click or handling noise) will begin the loop.  Then all you 
> to do is end on time, and it's much easier to hit the '1' following 
> measures of playing than it is to start dead on.
> Another technique:  if you are going to lay a rhythm guitar pattern down 
> the bed, play it a couple times before hitting the loop.  If you have any
> discrepancy in your tempo between your starting point and the end of the
> phrase, you can usually be rid of it after a go-round or two.  Using
> autostart, simply play the guitar pattern, stop for a four beat rest 
> stepping on the record pedal, then begin on '1'.
> I have no experience recording with included clicks and drum rhythms, so
> this advice may be useless to you if this is your mode.
> dave 
> Subject: RE: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought
> Thank you all for your advice.  I really appreciated it.
> I had it down to the following three --
> A) Boomerang with 2-channel Mixer -- not feasible, as the footprint and
> extra setup for a mixer would detract from what I need it to do in the 
>way I
> need it to work (get up on stage, set up, go quickly)
> B) Digitech JamMan - looked great, but realistically when live could only
> record one phrase at a time (otherwise would have to stop and save)
> C)  Boss Loop Station - expensive and finicky, with a large number of
> complaints registered online, and even a known "glitch" that bothers some
> people regarding a playback gap.
> In the end, I went with the Boss Loop Station, due mostly to the links
> provided by members here, and their comments.  In the scant hour I've 
> messing with it, I've already been able to do two tunes that I couldn't 
> solo (tough to do a 3-part harmony/bodhran song by yourself -- without a
> looping station, that is).
> Now to practice!
> (yegods, laying down that first track so it repeats nicely, in a timely
> regular fashion, is an ART!  ... It took me awhile to figure out that the
> tempo light switched red on the FIRST beat ... My brain keeps insisting 
> red must be on the FOURTH beat for some reason?!)
> If anybody wishes to pass me the links/references on "looping for 
>newbies --
> how to lay an initial decent rhythm track in under 20 minutes!" then feel
> free to e-mail me privately (so as not to spam the list with my newbie
> stuff).
> Thank you all again for the advice.  I appreciate it.