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DISAGREEMENTS and THIS LIST was: Re: distortion, overdrive,fuzz,crunc



Periodically, over the years on this list,  people get upset with each 
other about
things they've posted, or the the style with which they post.

I've been on both sides of this phenomena:     I've had my feelings 
hurt, or been pissed off about
something someone has written, and I've written things that people have 
objected to.

That said and done,   I feel compelled to respond to the current 
controversy in the
fuzz, distortion thread in particular and to make a point that I think 
should be made about it all.

Viz a vis MikoB's critical post about Krispen Hartungs' style of posting, 
I'd like to point out that  Krispen,  who was a philosophy major (or 
minor) in college, is
engaging in a time honored intellectual tradition of discourse called 
the Socratic Method

from wikipedia:
The *Socratic Method* (or *Method of Elenchus* or *Socratic Debate*), 
named after the Classical Greek </wiki/Classical_Greece>
philosopher </wiki/Philosophy> Socrates </wiki/Socrates>, is a form of 
philosophical </wiki/Philosophy> inquiry in which the questioner 
explores the implications
of others' positions, to stimulate rational thinking and illuminate 
ideas.^[1] <#cite_note-0> This dialectical </wiki/Dialectical> method 
often involves
an oppositional discussion in which the defense of one point of view is 
pitted against another; one participant
may lead another to contradict himself in some way, strengthening the 
inquirer's own point.

Kris has caused EXACTLY what he frequently sets out to do:     Get a big 
reaction;   Stimulate a discussion;
Get the intellectual and aethetic and emotional juices going.

This method, however, is oppositional in nature and it can be vexing at 
times, depending on my own capricious moods.

My father used to be a devil's advocate and it just drove me up the wall 
at times, but it also really
sharpened my intellect and my ability to articulate my thoughts in 
conversation and in public forum.    
I thank him every day for it and the style still occasionally pisses me 
off.

Unlike my father, however,   this is a daily list and I can turn off 
Krispen Hartung (or Miko B) at will by merely
not reading their posts.     Any email browser allows anyone to set up 
posting filters...............out of sight , out of mind.
The daily digest list who posts what.              If I"m sick of a 
discussion or just don't have the bandwidth on a particular
day for someone who is a voluminous poster,   I just DON'T READ their 
posts.

Personally,  I have taken exception with a few of Kris' contentions
Personally,  it makes me sad to read Miko's slagging Krispen's postding 
style of posting and  how this list has been going lately.
Personally,  I've really dug this list a lot lately, precisely because 
we are talking about things that we all obviously
give a shit about and are not afraid to stir it up, occasionally.

Regardless, however:
if the little spat between Miko and Krispen goes on any longer,  I'll 
just quit reading their posts.

We are a self moderated list.................Kim purposefully set it up 
this way.

Krispen Hartung,   Miko B,   Rainer Straschill, , Michael Klobuchar,  
Travis Hartnett,  Bill Walker, Jeff Duke, Per Boysen  and
all the people who have participated in this recent past discussion are 
all really strong artists, with really strong personalities and really
strong opinions.   It's what makes them compelling   They are strong and 
they are not at all like each other.

Viva la 
difference.....................................................or, if 
you don't believe that, just self edit the posters you don't dig.

or.......................hell................................just don't 
read the list at all.