Mark Sottilaro wrote: "I'd go one step further than Dr. Eno and say that people don't even go to a show for the music or performance, but more often for the chance to be with a group of like-minded people. (and to drink beer and convince a member of the opposite sex to have sex with you) The music is an excuse." I think you may be correct about a lot of people, Mark, but I think it's very inaccurate to infer that all people have this motivation. I know a lot of people where I live who are great lovers of music and go to shows to see music being played. I'm certainly one of those people. At local indie rock shows at the Crepe Place (which has become a haven for touring Indie rock bands of note in Santa Cruz) I've noticed that the lion share of the audience is really attentive and obviously responding to specific musical events. It is also possible to get a beer buzz on, flirt with someone of the opposite sex AND actually listen to music, you know. And then, there are the plethora of music oriented shows at the Kuumbwa Jazz center and the various small venues that put on ethnic music and new music shows. Here, the lion share of the audiences are extremely concentrated on sound. Maybe SF is different, but I kind of doubt it.