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Re: Boomerang 3
Title: Re: Boomerang 3
Your question is what *can* you do to get the most out of this
setup.. My advice is to avoid clipping the 2880 at all
cost, so turn down the input gain, turn up your amp a bit. I set
the input gains on my 2880 all the way down (fully counterclockwise)
when driving it from a multi effector, etc...
The 2880 A/d converter is 24bit, so you will not hear
quantization noise even if the signal is extremely low.. the concept
of "good signal level" is a bit outdated considering
the dynamic range of a 24 bit converter, and you are
certainly not going to get *more* noise if the input gain is turned
down. In modern digital recording (and loopers qualify as
"recording") *lower* recording levels are your friend,
clipping is your enemy.
The 2880 analog input circuit is very simple and clean, in
practical use the noise from the effects and the guitar itself are
going to dominate... the hiss isn't generated by the 2880, but by
what's feeding it.
The feature set of the Boomerang sounds very interesting, I
haven't heard the new one yet... the early Boomerang never sounded
very clean, but it had a nice texture.. :) I'm
always interested in unsynched loops, the RC-50 does that,
too.. but I have really grown attached to the physical controls
of the 2880 in live performance, often fading out certain
elements, and later bringing them back in, etc..
I think that if a looper doesn't impose itself on the work in
some way , it isn't a musical instrument...
I always leave the input knobs
about 1/4. I know this is relative, I can turn down the fx before it
but I get about the same results in range. The difference between
where I would normally play at and a boosted signal to where a
"lead" is, will clip it quickly. It seems about the same as
my Vortex units maybe more, not much range between good signal and
clip. I have read others comments from time to time on this but it is
an issue for me. This is input clipping I am talking about. My DD 20
and M9 never have this issue, I can feed them relatively big spikes
without a clipping problem.
I have tried many ways to compensate for this. Reducing my output at
all stages, etc. I lose dynamics or notice hiss if I get too fussy
with it. If you have any ideas I am all ears Chuck!
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Charles
I completely understand what you're looking for,
and so I have been following this thread with some interest. I
also use a 2880 (as well as a repeater), and I guess I don't quite
understand the headroom comment.. As long as you don't clip the signal
going in, you shouldn't have any headroom issues, and by using the
realtime feedback sliders, you can actually "duck" an
offensively clipped part of a loop.
How are your headroom problems manifest?
ah, stiff! ok, I'll try...... Sorry ahead
of time from the future. (I have read what I wrote now).
When using a long delay for looping such as the Boss DD 20.... I will
focus on what it can do that a phrase sampler such as the 2880/M9 and
Boomer + can't.
I can set the loop length before I press the effect on button by
tapping the external momentary button. Or I can have it recording
and set it on the fly. I do it both ways.
With it off I can tap the loop length up to 23 sec then press
the on button to begin playing/recording. Feedback is already on at
whatever I have set it for. I can re tap the loop length shorter with
one tap before I reach the max that is set or twice to set a longer
loop (this is hard to explain but easy to do). This makes it very easy
to zero in or correct the loop length in an improv situation. Re
triggering the loop length is very important to me.
Also the feedback knob may be adjusted at any time. Or I can get a
riff or phrase going, turn the FB knob all the way up for infinite
repeats. Press the effect off button and play over the top. Backing
off a bit on the fb knob so it begins to fade I can press the advance
preset and go to the next slot with it's own FB, loop level, loop
length already set and ready to tweak the same way. In the meantime
loop 1 is still fading out at whatever I have left it set at. And so
on through the 5 preset locations.The caveat is that after more than
one advance it cuts off the first one and you can't go back to an
earlier one to tweak again. Not really an issue for me.
I rarely get clicks from re triggering it this way, I get smooth
drones always. It is a very free, expressive way to loop for me being
an all improv hard ambient guy. Being able to leave one loop fading
out while bringing in another is free and not stiff.
I use it before the 2880 and after the M9 looper for the best of both
worlds sort of :) The thing is that delays can't or haven't been made
that can do the octave/reverse/stutter thing. Only phrase samplers can
do that (so far).
Sorry for the ramble. I guess stiff for me means being locked into a
looped phrase with no way out except to let it fade if I'm lucky
enough to have some kind of feedback control or just stop it cold. No
way to adjust the length/feedback on the fly.
I do see that the Boomerang III with the expression pedal could
be the perfect replacement for my 2880 which is what I had started
this thread about oh so long ago, lol. The 2880 lacks headroom!!! I
still need a good phrase sampler for the reverse/octave on the fly
all the best,
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Mike <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
On 31-Oct-10 3:27 PM, Jeff Duke wrote:
Yes I think so Sjaak, we do have a similar approach I
think. I come from using delays for my looping and have
never been really comfortable with "phrase samplers" which
the Boomer is of course. Just too stiff for me.
Please explain "stiff"
for me, Jeff. Thanks.
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