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Re: @Bill, empty loop, or looperlative/EDP trick (composition?)



Wow I feel so lost but an interesting historical read nonetheless.  So
much in this community.

Jim

On 11/11/10, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Andy said
>
>>>One thing that the Looperlative does which helps this is that
>>> once you have a footswitch set up to do an 8th replace
>>> it responds in an interesting way to multiple taps.
>>> It will automatically
>>> do as many replaces as you do taps with a gap between each.
>>> That makes it very easy to get some kind of recognizable rhythm
>>> happening.
> William Walker wrote:
>>  I found this out by not being able to control my habit of double
>> tapping, having not been raised on a sus command machine like the EDP,
>> I've always  gotten used to replace being a function you had to punch in
>> and out of,  and realizing I had just added two sus replace notes. So
>> Andy am I to understand that you were the guy who conceived of  8th
>> replace function on the EDP?
>
> Well, Replace  was already in use and popular.
> I certainly pushed for 8th Quantise in the EDP, and had the
> idea, during loopIV development, that it would be nice if a single button
> press neatly
> Replaced just one chunk.
> I also suggested the EDP behaviour that made that possible, although
> that suggestion probably only got included by Matthias because it
> was also a neat fix to a bug.
>
> With apologies to those who heard it already, here's the first
> ever track to be recorded using 8th Replace, back in 2003
>
> http://www.andybutler.com/mp3/backwater.mp3
>
> watch out for the use of loop windowing about 2mins into the track
> to hear the eight beat loop suddenly change into an evolving 8 bar
> sequence.
>
>> For those just tuning in it  is the
>> inspiration for the quantize replace feature on the Looperlative, and
>> can also be found in Mobius and Matthias' new EvoLoop which i saw the
>> prototype of and was really excited by.
>
> Matt showed me the bits of it on Skype, very cool looking.
>
>> So my question, can you set the
>> EDP's 8th replace function to a variety of different beat divisions like
>> you can on the LP-1?  I really love using this technique over an 12, 10
>> or 9 beat subdivision, in addition to my most often used 16. The
>> looperlative's ability to go as high as a subdivision of 128 makes it
>> really interesting for crazy glitching over a short loop length.
>> Bill
>
> Sure, it depends on the 8th/Cycle setting.
>
> It's also possible to use a related trick called
> Cycle Quantised SUS Insert.
> You tap in a single beat short loop, then each foot tap
> increases the length of the loop by a beat.
> That means when you're bored of 5/8 you just drop
> in a couple more beats and go to 7/8.
>
> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/andybutler/edp/tripwire.mp3
>
> again, apologies for reposting that track (from 2004)
>
>
> The thing I really like about these tricks is that
> people take them and produce a result that is all their own.
> Perhaps it's appropriate to see it as a compositional technique
>
>
> Here's Rick Walker morphing a blast of noise into
> something that sounds uncannily like a Hip Hop
> track that was current at the time.(2008)
>
> http://www.andybutler.com/mp3/Norfest08/RW-Intro.mp3
>
> Rick's using a Looperlative there.
>
> Other 8th replace users
> Bernhard Wagner
> Greg Poorman
> Steve Lawson
> Mark Francombe
> Stephen Scott
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> andy butler
> ps
> and thanks to Bill for the excuse for writing this,
> ..more excellent music involving 8th replace here
> http://www.youtube.com/user/BillWalkerGuitar
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