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Re: Ricks Spotify link

yeah yeah yeah... I think the differences are known and understood... but Spotify is NO WHERE NEAR the same as radio!

If you are played on radio, you are played to 1,000 to 1,000,000 people... plus you are probably been on a playlist for a dj or show... so it might happen more than once...

if you are played on Spotify, you are played because that person already IS your girlfriend, wife, friend or fan. NO ONE NEW will really stumble across you really.. I mean really... ok a few might... but not really..

...and did you SEE the figures in that diagram?

If a sale of a retail album brings you a dollar, spotify brings you 0.00029 of a dollar... How many streams does THAT take???

Andys right about one thing tho, that IS gonna be the preferred method of music delivery in the future, doesnt mean I cant fucking grumble about it...


On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Daryl Shawn <darylshawn@gmail.com> wrote:
Good point here, Andy.

Assuming that people are streaming complete albums (and perhaps that's a whole other discussion - but me, I stream albums), then one should divide the streaming figures by 10, the average track count per album.

Furthermore, if a person likes an album, they'll stream to it multiple times. With a track download, or a cd sale, there is that one single purchase. With streaming, you'll see revenue each time it's played, in perpetuity (if that even exists with anything related to recorded music or the 'Net). I use streaming services almost exclusively to listen to music, and there are some albums I've listened to dozens of times, and will keep doing so. I may not have approached 100 times very often - with Rhapsody's one-US-cent-per-play model, assuming ten tracks per album, it will take 100 album listens to reach the price of an album download on iTunes - but over years, I may.

And of course, as with all virtual media, there is no cost associated per unit, as with a physical CD.

Finally, I believe that as streams replace tracks, people will feel less inclined to "steal" (I use that loosely) tracks through P2P or whatever, and more inclined simply to listen on their choice of streaming service. It's simply easier to search a catalog and play instantly than trolling through the web, downloading, then playing. I remember seeing discussion on Twitter from Zoe Keating and Matt Stevens (right, Matt?) about the number of times their tracks had been downloaded through torrent sites, it was quite stunning.

I do hope that Rhapsody's payout model, the highest of the streaming services, wins out over Spotify. But that chance may be slim.

Daryl Shawn

hi Matt,

Well, maybe it's better to compare Spotify to radio
rather than purchasable media.

How much do you get paid "per listener" from a radio show?

Or compare it to having a vid on YouTube.

mark francombe
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