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Re: Revisiting Ableton Live, now with Max4Live

hey Per there seems to be an Ableton update that addresses the sync
problem,how it working now slaved to mobius? any better?

On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I wouldn't think you'd have to emulate that. Ableton Live and
> Mobius seem to be almost identical when it comes to recording and
> stacking up alternative sets of loops on several parallel tracks.
> Differences are that Live can not overdub and multiply into the same
> loop (like Mobius) and Mobius won't make you manually change the order
> of the loops once they are recorded (as you can do in Live).
> I spent yesterday recreating my live looping setup based on Mobius as
> the tempo sync master in the new Mainstage 2.2 and it worked out
> exceptionally well. During almost a month work in Live it felt like a
> wonderful revelation to be back on the super fidelity that MS
> provides! I have no idea why but my stuff sounds so much better when
> piped out through Mainstage, guessing there must be something about
> how the compressors work and how the audio engine handles summing of
> audio streams. And the new multi CPU/core support was evident as a
> seemingly never ending DSP power. But it seems you need to re-build MS
> concerts from scratch in 2.2 to get it right and the trick to make the
> new multi core handling happen is to keep CPU intensive channelstrips
> without any cross talking like side-chaining or sending audio through
> a bus to an aux that also receives audio sent from other
> channelstrips. That is the same logic as in how you set up big
> projects in Bidule, but while you have to assign objects manually in
> Bidule to be taken care of by another CPU/core this is automatic in MS
> 2.2. Missing Max 4 Live though, because I could set up great "swell
> pedal" functionality with M4L "audio amplitude envelope follow to data
> control" devises. An option totally lacking in MS (if not using a
> third-party plugin like Amplitube 3 that has a good swell pedal
> simulation, but to me both Sticks and guitars sound more interesting
> without such tube amp/cab simulation. Well you can actually cheat up a
> rather lame swell pedal in Mainstage by using the Envelope plugin, but
> it's kind of somewhere on a scale between half-assed and luke warm).
> So if someone can recommend an Audio Unit plugin that applies "swell
> attack" to the audio signal I'd be grateful for hint ;-)
> Greetings from Sweden
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:
>> Hi Per
>> fair enough, esp. if you use Max4Live as a crazy effect tool ;-)
>> Personally, I actually would like to use Ableton for both live looping 
>> and recording. But at the moment it's just not flexible enough.
>> So what I end up doing is emulating Ableton clip/scene behaviour in 
>> Mobius. Oh well...
>> best regards
>> Buzap
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