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Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out?

Some good stuff there Rainer! Yeah ok if the DL4 and other short delays can do the forward/reverse it should be easy enough to add that to a long delay. Of course this is done by a knob or ex ped to go from dry to 100% wet. Should be able to make a button to do this easy enough.
I really liked the way that the old Digitech Space Station handled the transition from forward to reverse on good old preset 10 (I think). There was a kind of warped thing going on in there like a morph rather than just a mix control.. but I digress :)

Basically they could do a lot more and would if there was a market for it. Sigh, being an old school delay type looping guy is tough :) 

So Stereo, at least two delay lines (sync or non sync), each about 30 sec minimum, reverse via ex ped/button with differing transitions, plenty of speed modifying options ala Scott Hanson plus regular harmonic transitions ala the first Boomerang, separate feedback control for each delay line operable even when it is not being overdubbed on (DD20 does this in a way), being able to feed one line into the other (or not), and some rhythmic stuff like slicing/multiply and all that other EDP style stuff that is possible, make it harmony capable like the Time Bender and hell let's make it upgradable via usb for further tweaking!

You hear this gear industry? I know you would have at least one sale here, lol

peace out,



On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote:
Jeff Duke schrieb:
Why are all loopers that have a reverse/half speed capability "phrase samplers"? Why can't a delay pedal have these features?
This really depends on your definition of "phrase samplers". The EDP which, due to its concept of "primary feedback", is (to me) the closest to a delay of all proper loopers, has reverse (although if I remember correctly only got it in a later SW version?).

Depending on the way a delay is built technically, doing reverse is more or less tricky.
Furthermore, most delay effects are not used as loopers, so reverse algorithms typically taylor to the "realtime reverse guitar solo" application, such as in e.g. the TC D2, Line6 DL4, SMM w/Hazari, Sony GR-MP5 or whatever. They always have some kind of "intelligence" which tells them when to kick into reverse, which can produce rather unpredictable results, which, depending on what you're after, can be fun - try it running two different reverse delays in parallel and see what happens.

Btw, there's a fun thing in the SMM w/Hazari, which is the 1sec+Rev Multitap mode, where in addition to a 1sec multitap delay, you get the possibility to play back the last 6 seconds in reverse by pressing a button.


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