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I should mention my controller is a Gordius LG, and that is where the up and down midi stream messages are configured. I did stuff like this with the FC300 previously, I think the FCB is similar... Sent from my iPhone On Apr 12, 2012, at 11:14 PM, Phil Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey Kevin. > > So my previous post was incorrect... Delving in tonight, I seem to have > solved the problem here. > > For me, using Live with Echoloop (close relative of Möbius), the > solution waxy to send TWO Note On messages, both at 127, one in the > "down" stream and the other in the "up" stream. Once I did that, Record > behaves exactly as it should, including long and short press behaviors. > > And while the other functions were working well enough, deploying this > same dual Note On scheme at all the buttons on my foot controller opened > up all the other short/long press stuff for everything ! > > Not certain this will solve for you, but we are not so far apart I > think, and maybe there is at least a clue for you here... > > Good luck :) > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 12, 2012, at 9:57 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Well, this is getting embarrassing but I will press on to ask again >> anyway. >> >> I can get the midi to work running Mobius as a stand alone. Record >> starts recording and plays as expected when stopped. >> >> But when I go into Live, the recording always does that 1 second and >> reset thing. I thought I tried all the things suggested (and I do >> have it set up as described below) but I can't figure out what is >> going on. Anyone want to take pity on a simpleton and walk me through >> the steps of configuring Live and Mobius to play nicely together. I >> feel like I'm missing something obvious but don't know how to track it >> down. I guess its fair to say I know enough to cause trouble but >> don't really quite understand exactly what I'm doing. >> >> I'd be happy to read a manual but I can't even seem to find the >> solution to the problem I'm facing in the manual or forums (though >> Jeff's manual does mention the long press reset problem but seems to >> assume I would then know how to solve that issue). >> >> Round three anyone? >> >> Kevin >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Phil Clevenger >> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I am thinking we (and by "we" I think I mean Per and Ricky G) solved >>> the >>> problem by routing MIDI directly to the plug-in via a MIDI track in >>> Ableton, >>> rather than trusting Ableton to deliver the message. >>> >>> >>> So - Set up an empty MIDI channel, and set up an Audio channel. Place >>> the >>> plug-in in the Audio channel. In the MIDI channel route the "MIDI >>> From" from >>> the audio interface (and filter channel if need be) and route the >>> "MIDI To" >>> to the plug-in channel, and subsequently to the plug-in itself within >>> that >>> channel. >>> >>> >>> This should ensure the plug-in is hearing what is being sent, and not >>> being >>> munged by Ableton. >>> >>> >>> I will check this out this evening when I get back to my studio and >>> let you >>> know. >>> >>> >>> Phil :) >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:19 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> It's also typical behaviour for when the Note-Off doesn't reach >>>> the Echoloop. >>>> >>>> It seems that Ableton suppresses Note-Off on some (all?) routings. >>>> >>>> andy >>>> >>>> >>>> Per Boysen wrote: >>>>> >>>>> When using any third-party plugin hosted in Live there are three ways >>>>> external MIDI control surface gear can talk to the plugin: >>>>> >>>>> 1) As MIDI Track Input through Live (activate/deactivate in Live's >>>>> Preferences, MIDI/Sync tab). >>>>> 2) As Remote control through Live (activate/deactivate in Live's >>>>> Preferences, MIDI/Sync tab). >>>>> 3) Third-party plugin set to listen directly to the system's MIDI >>>>> Port. >>>>> >>>>> The issue with the looper killing itself on Record is typical when >>>>> more than one of the above control systems are active (as Jeff >>>>> explained). >>>>> >>>>> I have tried all three for looper plugins and with Mobius I stick to >>>>> "3". Not because it is better but because it makes my jumping between >>>>> many alternative host applications very smooth. "1" is also easy once >>>>> you have set the MIDI bindings in Mobius. In order to make "2" work >>>>> with Mobius one needs to first go into Mobius and chose which >>>>> parameters the plugin shall expose to the host and then use Ableton's >>>>> internal system (VST or AU protocol) to set up the mapping in Live. >>>>> The "Abes" recommend this method. >>>>> >>>>> Greetings from Sweden >>>>> >>>>> Per Boysen >>>>> www.perboysen.com >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Phil Clevenger >>>>> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Wow that's weird, just this evening I have been wrestling with the >>>>>> exact >>>>>> same behavior, but with Echoloop within Live. All Echoloop >>>>>> functions are >>>>>> mapped and respond fine, but pressing the LG controller button >>>>>> bound to >>>>>> Echoloop's Record function results in a short bit of Record time, >>>>>> followed >>>>>> by a reset. So it seems to interpret the NoteOn as a long press. >>>>>> >>>>>> Had it working some time back - encountered this problem then as >>>>>> well, >>>>>> but somehow solved it, and now cannot recall the solution - gah ! >>>>>> >>>>>> Phil >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 11, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Okay, so anyone thinks I should take this to the Mobius forums >>>>>>> that's >>>>>>> cool, but.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So thanks to Jeff's advice I got Mobius running in live and even >>>>>>> managed to configure the layout of the FCB1010 for most functions. >>>>>>> Every command I programmed worked EXCEPT, when I press the button >>>>>>> bound to the record function, it goes into record for 4 counts and >>>>>>> then stops. I've confirmed that the pedal is sending Note on and >>>>>>> off >>>>>>> with a value of 01. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Apologies if I'm missing the obvious, it certainly wouldn't be the >>>>>>> first time. I hope to get this figured out before I get annoying >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> these questions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any pointers? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kevin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to >>>>>>> have a >>>>>>> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all >>>>>>> trouble. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org >>>>>>> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a >> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all >> trouble. >> >> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >> >> Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org >> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >>