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Re: Mobius Mystery part 2



Why not change the note message to a program change message and remap. 
Betcha it works then. 

Sent from my iPod

On 13 Apr 2012, at 05:57, Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, this is getting embarrassing but I will press on to ask again 
> anyway.
> 
> I can get the midi to work running Mobius as a stand alone.  Record
> starts recording and plays as expected when stopped.
> 
> But when I go into Live, the recording always does that 1 second and
> reset thing.  I thought I tried all the things suggested (and I do
> have it set up as described below) but I can't figure out what is
> going on.  Anyone want to take pity on a simpleton and walk me through
> the steps of configuring Live and Mobius to play nicely together.  I
> feel like I'm missing something obvious but don't know how to track it
> down.  I guess its fair to say I know enough to cause trouble but
> don't really quite understand exactly what I'm doing.
> 
> I'd be happy to read a manual but I can't even seem to find the
> solution to the problem I'm facing in the manual or forums (though
> Jeff's manual does mention the long press reset problem but seems to
> assume I would then know how to solve that issue).
> 
> Round three anyone?
> 
> Kevin
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Phil Clevenger
> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I am thinking we (and by "we" I think I mean Per and Ricky G) solved the
>> problem by routing MIDI directly to the plug-in via a MIDI track in 
>> Ableton,
>> rather than trusting Ableton to deliver the message.
>> 
>> 
>> So - Set up an empty MIDI channel, and set up an Audio channel. Place 
>> the
>> plug-in in the Audio channel. In the MIDI channel route the "MIDI From" 
>> from
>> the audio interface (and filter channel if need be) and route the "MIDI 
>> To"
>> to the plug-in channel, and subsequently to the plug-in itself within 
>> that
>> channel.
>> 
>> 
>> This should ensure the plug-in is hearing what is being sent, and not 
>> being
>> munged by Ableton.
>> 
>> 
>> I will check this out this evening when I get back to my studio and let 
>> you
>> know.
>> 
>> 
>> Phil :)
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:19 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's also typical behaviour for when the Note-Off doesn't reach
>>> the Echoloop.
>>> 
>>> It seems that Ableton suppresses Note-Off on some (all?) routings.
>>> 
>>> andy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Per Boysen wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> When using any third-party plugin hosted in Live there are three ways
>>>> external MIDI control surface gear can talk to the plugin:
>>>> 
>>>> 1) As MIDI Track Input through Live (activate/deactivate in Live's
>>>> Preferences, MIDI/Sync tab).
>>>> 2) As Remote control through Live (activate/deactivate in Live's
>>>> Preferences, MIDI/Sync tab).
>>>> 3) Third-party plugin set to listen directly to the system's MIDI 
>>>> Port.
>>>> 
>>>> The issue with the looper killing itself on Record is typical when
>>>> more than one of the above control systems are active (as Jeff
>>>> explained).
>>>> 
>>>> I have tried all three for looper plugins and with Mobius I stick to
>>>> "3". Not because it is better but because it makes my jumping between
>>>> many alternative host applications very smooth. "1" is also easy once
>>>> you have set the MIDI bindings in Mobius. In order to make "2" work
>>>> with Mobius one needs to first go into Mobius and chose which
>>>> parameters the plugin shall expose to the host and then use Ableton's
>>>> internal system (VST or AU protocol) to set up the mapping in Live.
>>>> The "Abes" recommend this method.
>>>> 
>>>> Greetings from Sweden
>>>> 
>>>> Per Boysen
>>>> www.perboysen.com
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Phil Clevenger
>>>> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wow that's weird, just this evening I have been wrestling with the 
>>>>> exact
>>>>> same behavior, but with Echoloop within Live. All Echoloop functions 
>>>>> are
>>>>> mapped and respond fine, but pressing the LG controller button bound 
>>>>> to
>>>>> Echoloop's Record function results in a short bit of Record time, 
>>>>> followed
>>>>> by a reset. So it seems to interpret the NoteOn as a long press.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Had it working some time back - encountered this problem then as 
>>>>> well,
>>>>> but somehow solved it, and now cannot recall the solution - gah !
>>>>> 
>>>>> Phil
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 11, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Okay, so anyone thinks I should take this to the Mobius forums 
>>>>>> that's
>>>>>> cool, but....
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So thanks to Jeff's advice I got Mobius running in live and even
>>>>>> managed to configure the layout of the FCB1010 for most functions.
>>>>>> Every command I programmed worked EXCEPT, when I press the button
>>>>>> bound to the record function, it goes into record for 4 counts and
>>>>>> then stops.  I've confirmed that the pedal is sending Note on and 
>>>>>> off
>>>>>> with a value of 01.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Apologies if I'm missing the obvious, it certainly wouldn't be the
>>>>>> first time.  I hope to get this figured out before I get annoying 
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> these questions.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Any pointers?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to 
>>>>>> have a
>>>>>> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all
>>>>>> trouble.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org
>>>>>> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all 
> trouble.
> 
> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)
> 
> Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org
> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos
>