Re: Anyone here never livelooped?

[Tyler <programmer651@comcast.net>]

See? What you just said was really cool! More people should talk about 
various loops in songs. Read the 
loopers-delight.com home page; the intro doesn't say "live looping" or 
"realtime 
looping," it says looping. And there is electronic music without looping; 
music played on a 
keyboard without techno beats turned on; techno beats are loops. So that 
kind of electronic 
music would not be okay, the kind with technoloop beats would be, on this 
list. I have this "thing" for loops. 
Whenever I hear a repeated (looped) sample, whether realtime or studio, I 
am amused! I have this 
"loop craze," and I know someone who is also like this. I wanted to join a 
group of other people who are like 
that, so I joined this here Looper's Delight.
Tyler Z
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 14:28:35 -0700, Matt Davignon wrote:



>Hi Tyler, 
>The looping you're talking about is so commonplace that a discussion list 
>about 
>it would be like having a discussion list about copy/paste. (Actually, it 
>would 
>be exactly like that, because copy/paste is one of the ways you get loops 
>in 
>the studio.) 
>Here's a list of the loops I could hear in "Toxic" by Britney spears. 
>1) The first 1.6 seconds of electronic bass drum and snare drum
>2) The first 3.3 seconds of string samples (the riff of the song)
>3) The acoustic guitar is looped, but parts of the loop are muted in the 
>beginning of the song. You hear the entire loop from 0:27 to 0:40.
>4) Same with the synthesized bass line - you hear the entire loop from 
>0:27 to 
>0:40
>5) The entire chorus from 0:57 to 1:24 is probably looped. I bet each 
>time you 
>hear the chorus, you're hearing it copy/pasted from this first time.
>6) In fact, at 2:51, you hear the seam of the loop, but they had to 
>overlap 
>Britney's vocal performance, so you hear her singing "toxic" and "with a 
>taste" 
>at the same time. 
>Now, the chorus loop isn't like they take one big chunk and copy/paste 
>it. 
>You're probably hearing about 8 tracks of instruments and even more 
>tracks of 
>vocals. Typically, new instrumental loops are to choruses that are 
>further on 
>in the song. Not so much in this song - there's just a new synthesizer 
>line in 
>the last chorus. 
>In order to make the loops sound less repetitive, the producers often 
>drop out 
>most of the tracks (this is called a "drop out", and is really common in 
>hip-hop), and replace them briefly with other synths or heavily processed 
>versions of the other loops. I like the part at 2:37 where they run her 
>voice 
>through multiple vocoders before fading in the chorus loop again. Looping 
>isn't 
>the challenge here - it's trying to get the song to sound like it's not 
>looped!
>Frankly, I think it's a well-produced song. The guys who wrote and 
>produced the 
>music went and formed their own band later, called Miike Snow 
>(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLHjKgQt39s). 
>Unfortunately, most pop stars like Britney Spears have very little to do 
>with 
>the music they're associated with. They are pretty people with slightly 
>better 
>than average singing ability. Usually the songs are written and produced 
>by 
>other people. There are even vocal coaches to tell the singers when to 
>sigh and 
>how to emote when singing. 
>This song was completely written and produced before Britney Spears came 
>into 
>the picture - it was offered to Kylie Minogue first. 
>I'm certain there must be some discussion groups on the internet about 
>how to 
>use DAWs (digital audio workstations) to create pop songs. I imagine most 
>of 
>the folks on those lists probably discuss EQing, mastering, plugins and 
>stuff 
>like that. Looping is one of the first things you learn. 
>For folks who aren't familiar with the song: 
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOZuxwVk7TU
>And for those who are: 
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwFXy_yl4hE
>-- 
>Matt Davignon
>mattdavignon@gmail.com
>www.ribosomemusic.com
>Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
>Tyler <programmer651@comcast.net> was like:
>>Hello! Are any of you guys members of this mailing list because you loop 
>>in the 
>>studio? Anyone never
>>livelooped? After all, this site is about looping, including 
>>livelooping; not 
>>just livelooping, even
>>though there is an abundance of livelooping. It is okay to talk about 
>>pop music 
>>with a lot of repeated
>>samples; we just need to tell a lot of indie studio loopers about the 
>>list, and 
>>we can make the list more
>>like how it is described on the website; looping of all kinds.
>>Tyler Z