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On Jan 9, 2013, at 6:04 AM, eib halimski wrote: - 4 minutes loop time Nice — and for anyone without a looper it's probably a good choice. I think about how I seem to be working these days and I think I could go for this if it offered the following: stereo and an ability to set the feedback (e.g., by holding down the button and turning the knob). If there feedback setting were "perfect" for me I might not even care about that. A little stereo looper pedal could sit at the end of my chain and cover just about everything I care about. Give me some sort of sync cable support — see EDP brother sync — and I'll buy two (though please do this with the same flexibility as the EDP where sync means that the loop lengths are coordinated not that the start and end points have to align). And then there is what may be the "fatal" flaw: it looks like record goes to play rather than overdub. (That could be acceptable if a long press at the end of record created an overdub overlap since mostly I'm worried about delay trails.) ---- I was an EDP man for quite a while. I tried the Repeater. I tried the Looperlative. But the EDP was fluid. I would probably still be using the EDP were it not for not wanting to carry around a rack and missing stereo support which meant that I needed not just a rack but a rack and a mixer or I needed to throw a MIDI foot controller into the process with two EDPs. The features I most miss from the EDP: * Multiply * The ability to copy one loop into another, modify the second, and then come back to the first * Freedom to start and stop more operations at arbitrary times while still preserving synchronization My first CD was recorded with a single EDP. Shortly after that I went the multiple EDP route with it settling into more or less a set up where one would mostly be about recording a "pulse" to underly the piece and the other would often be used as a long, synchronized delay line — often at 0% feedback. I used to want a way to evolve away from the pulse and then back to the pulse, but that almost always seems to get complicated. Since then I've looked for ways to do this without the need for a rack and mixers. I played Y2KX using just the looper in the Line6 M13. I have to say that Line6 did manage to nail the core looping feature set quite well with lack of stereo being the chief failing. (And lack of MIDI/tempo sync given that the units have so much else that does do sync. They could just use the loop length to tweak the results of tap tempo and send MIDI clock and have a win for those of willing to start the drum machine after the loop is recorded.) I have a Boomerang III now. The sound quality, switch feel, and size are great though the size would take a serious hit if I were to add a sidecar and a pedal for volume or decay. (The sidecar with a built in roller would have been a clear win.) The problem for me with the Boomerang is that it really lives to be a phrase sampler. It's a great looper if you want to record verse/chorus/bridge and play against them. To do the sort of looping I was doing on the EDP, it's a pain and Mike Nelson has gotten a lot of long emails from me discussing how to fix this. ---- But if TC did a Ditto+ (it doesn't even need to be a "Ditto Pro"), I could easily see shifting to it. My feature list: * Stereo — they can go to the size of the Flashback and other Tone Print pedals. * Feedback control — two knobs instead of one. (I can think of interesting uses for more knobs in a Flashback pedal sized device, but I'm trying to stay minimal.) * Exiting record closes the loop on the press but overdubs until the release. Or they need a switch to control whether record goes into play or overdub. * Something Brother Sync like so that I can hook up a couple of these. (Even cooler if they had other pedals that also could connect on a sync buss. MIDI works but MIDI cables are awkwardly big.) ----- Instead, they give me four minutes of loop time — who is going to remember where we were five minutes ago? — probably because adding more memory really doesn't require any extra design work. Mark |