From ???@??? Thu Jan 01 12:45:13 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 1 09:51:36 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xnomN-0007P6-00; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 09:51:35 -0800 From: ANET Message-ID: <6fe7a47e.34abd4fe@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 12:40:12 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: submision for the 3rd tape/CD project Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"qmPFD.A.vnG.Na9q0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2127 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 09:51:35 -0800 X-UIDL: 00eb839051ec84fe4c81ce2e47e05070 Status: O X-Status: ENAT asks; where do I send the tape. Send your tape to: John Peters 15 9th ave. N.W. Kasson, Minnesota I'll be sending out more information later. Adios, and Happy New Year to all of you. From ???@??? Fri Jan 02 03:52:04 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 1 13:13:11 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xnrvS-0000Ay-00; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 13:13:10 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34AA29B1.6B3C@db3.so-net.or.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 13:08:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: somebody using QT-MID-MOV to have loops Resent-Message-ID: <"aznRbC.A.sNH.PXAr0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2128 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 13:13:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 4876f445f08fd0ecd1c6cdc65ff40f9f Status: O X-Status: At 11:17 AM +0000 12/31/97, BUYO-BUYO-IGOR wrote: >Hi! >I'm new to this list and writng from Japan. >Using 68k-Macintosh and love to to run several QuickTime Movies at >once to have different length of loops get mixed forever. that's a cool idea. I never thought that. Although I've actually done basically that many times in a non-musical way, for stress testing concurrency situations on media processors for pc's.... >I also love Microtuned music and when running MIDI files...there will >be a bunch of bend-data flowin in to QT-musical-instruments. >What happening when different bends get onto the same MIDI channel? >Simply the same with a sound module receiving a lot of MIDI-ins? >Or will there be virtual sound modules for each QT-mid-mov file? I guess I don't know what a mac would do, but I'm sort of curious. Have you tried yet? I would expect Quicktime to act like a single sound module, with pitch bend affecting everything on a given channel. So I would expect the two movies to interfere with each other. Maybe not though, I'm not really sure. let me know if you find out.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Jan 02 03:52:08 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 1 14:38:40 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xntGA-0003nb-00; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 14:38:38 -0800 X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 17:42:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed Drake Subject: One For Sale Resent-Message-ID: <"qpgIKC.A.3ND.cnBr0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2129 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 14:38:38 -0800 X-UIDL: aed506930913329ecfc0b2e04f17ca64 Status: O X-Status: This is a message I just received, I thought it was something someone here might be interested in. I assume it is a JamMan for sale. Happy New Year everyone ! Ed >From: RBadillo >Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 13:54:18 EST >To: ejmd@erols.com >Subject: One For Sale >Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) > >Hello Ed. I bought one a few months ago. I don't really use it much. It's >mint. If you know anyone intrested in buying it I'd like to sell it for $350 >plus shipping. Theres no extra memory in it. Thanks. > Roberto >Badillo > (954) >428-1624 > From ???@??? Fri Jan 02 15:19:04 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 2 09:36:00 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xoB0o-0001Xu-00; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:35:58 -0800 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 12:28:47 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Digitech RDS-8000 Time Machine spotted In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"joJHHC.A.o7.LQSr0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2130 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:35:58 -0800 X-UIDL: 45c5941189419d7b012eb5bc87278ccb Status: O X-Status: See http://www.wheatonmusic.com/digitech.htm -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Sat Jan 03 02:37:37 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 3 02:28:30 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xoQod-0003nA-00; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 02:28:27 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD182D.57921BB0.andrew@bocs.co.uk> From: Andrew To: "'loopers-delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: delays that slowwww Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 09:52:43 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"64BXhD.A.LND.xGhr0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2131 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 02:28:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 98baab431ed20e37e2848cc5912359e0 Status: O X-Status: Fellow loopers, Sorry to be banging on about gear again, but I must know the answer... What delay devices, obsolete or contemporary, can slow down the input signal ? I understand the Lex PCM42 can, and the Echo Plus ( Digitech ? ) too, but are there any others ? I have a Whammy Pedal which can lower the pitch, but the speed is the same. I'd like something that acts like a varispeed has been turned down ( or up for Munchkin dialogue ) I believe the slowing down of input to be a great thing for these times, as we speed towards the millenium. Hopefully the 'kids' will be 'hip' to it too. Go raibh maith agat, ('Thanks to you' in the Gaelic ) From ???@??? Sat Jan 03 18:13:08 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 3 10:57:27 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xoYlB-0003Ie-00; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:57:25 -0800 From: KILLINFO Message-ID: <835ea1dc.34ae8886@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 13:50:43 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: delays that slowwww Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"-E96n.A.r0C.Jkor0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2132 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:57:25 -0800 X-UIDL: 58247e5a7da7f3ab155c0b923aa6cb08 Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 1/3/98 2:26:56 AM, you wrote: >Fellow loopers, > >Sorry to be banging on about gear again, but I must know the answer... > >What delay devices, obsolete or contemporary, can slow down the input signal? >I understand the Lex PCM42 can, and the Echo Plus ( Digitech?) too, but are >there any others? I have a Whammy Pedal which can lower the pitch, but >the speed is the same. I'd like something that acts like a varispeed has been >turned down (or up for Munchkin dialogue). I believe the slowing down of input >to be a great thing for these times, as we speed towards the millennium. >Hopefully the 'kids' will be 'hip' to it too. > >Go raibh maith agat, ('Thanks to you' in the Gaelic) Well, one device (out of many I suppose) that does what you describe is the old Electro Harmonix 16-Second Digital Delay. I once had a couple of them that I used as a stereo pair for all of my looping activities. When I finally parted with them (for more modern rack gizmos) it was precisely this feature that I missed most. The designers of all these newer gadgets don't seem to appreciate the usefulness of this speed/pitch changing capability. While the EH-16 is no longer being made (and still commands pretty high prices used) it has been rumored to be slated by EH/Sovtek for reissue in the not- too-distant future. I myself am looking forward to checking it out, when that day comes, and perhaps buying one (or two) again. Don't get me wrong, I really like my Oberheim EDPs, but I do still miss that one feature of the EH-16 T. Killian From ???@??? Sat Jan 03 18:13:09 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 3 11:06:05 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xoYtY-0003rk-00; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:06:04 -0800 From: PMimlitsch Message-ID: <16f1e707.34ae8ac1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 14:00:15 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: delays that slowwww Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"rC9Wp.A.AYD.ctor0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2133 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:06:04 -0800 X-UIDL: 9d56e376020778aabe90730b0e5872c1 Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 1/3/98 5:27:59 AM, you wrote: <> Any of the Digitech Delay/Loopers (PDS or RDS 8000 for example) can slow down/speed up a loop or delay thus changing the pitch of the looped/delayed signal. From ???@??? Sat Jan 03 18:13:16 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 3 12:42:47 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xoaP6-0000oH-00; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 12:42:44 -0800 From: ANET Message-ID: <1af6e93a.34aea09c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:33:30 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: delays that slowwww Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"LOZiRD.A.0a.fGqr0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2134 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 12:42:44 -0800 X-UIDL: ed7b17d63e2065b368ef02c577e2c367 Status: O X-Status: RDS8000 can slow down the looping speeds or speed it up. However, the pitch changes as well, don't know if that is what you were looking for. There are devices that slow and keep the pitch the same for the sake of determining the notes played on fast leads etc. etc. I don't know the name of those devices, but have seen them in the music catalogs. From ???@??? Sat Jan 03 18:13:20 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 3 13:53:59 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xobW2-0003sl-00; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 13:53:58 -0800 From: ANET Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:45:56 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: 3rd CD Project Update 01/03/98 (Happy New Year all!) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"l2Due.A.rZD.qJrr0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2135 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 13:53:58 -0800 X-UIDL: b87d0ecf84894a2d832e75770ce7cab0 Status: O X-Status: Well, 1998 is upon us, Happy New Year everyone, I hope this will be a productive year for all involved in these ongoing projects. Can't wait to hear the CDs that are in production now and those that will be completed this year. For the 3rd CD project, the intent was to allow those who have recordings on cassette tape (analog) to have the ability to make a CD. If we don't have enough submissions, then we'll allow any DAT overflow to be included as well. The cost will be $100.00, and will follow the guidelines of the 2nd Project which will allow a set amount of CDs to be donated to this site, the producer and the remaining to be divided evenly to the participants. All future CD pressings are given at cost to any of the participants. This will allow you to market our CDs any way you want. Submissions are being called for from now unitl March 31st. There will be a 4 to 6 week mixdown with submission to the CD folks around June 1st. Artwork will be done by the members of the project or anyone else interested. This effort should not be confused with the first two projects. The second project is being produced by Matt Mcabe, and I (John Peters) will produce the third project. Feel free to contact me via email at either ANET@AOL.COM or acoustic_guitar@yahoo.com. My mailing address is: 15 9th Ave. N.W. Kasson, Minnesota 55944 Tapes will not be returned unless you enclose the return package and postage. The property of the music will remain yours and the property of the CD will remain those who particpate with stipends to this site (Kim Flint). Have a good year and hope to hear from you soon. The current list of participants is: dpcoffin@aol.com enat2123@aol.com pdiem@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu r_t_cummings@copuserve.com stick@psn.net From ???@??? Sat Jan 03 18:13:25 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 3 17:47:44 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xofAF-0005pB-00; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:47:43 -0800 Message-ID: <34AEEB69.613F@dmans.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 19:52:41 -0600 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: delays that slowwww References: <01BD182D.57921BB0.andrew@bocs.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"m2T2kB.A.ANF.ilur0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2136 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:47:43 -0800 X-UIDL: a6625d316658929ac475df372697f90d Status: O X-Status: > What delay devices, obsolete or contemporary, can > slow down the input signal ? I understand the Lex > PCM42 can, and the Echo Plus ( Digitech ? ) too, but > are there any others ? > I have a Whammy Pedal which can lower the pitch, but > the speed is the same. I'd like something that acts like > a varispeed has been turned down ( or up for Munchkin dialogue ) Andrew, The Boomerang Phrase Sampler can slow a recorded sample to half speed (it drops an octave), or speed it up to double speed (it raises the pitch an octave). Let me know if you want any more info. Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products PO Box 541595 Dallas, TX 75354-1595 Tel 800-530-4699 (outside USA, 214-340-6913) Fax 214-343-1038 email mnelson@dmans.com web page http://www.boomerangmusic.com From ???@??? Sun Jan 04 19:21:10 1998 >From kflint Sun Jan 4 06:51:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xorOk-0001J2-00; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 06:51:30 -0800 Message-ID: <34AF9214.DE41647F@vtx.ch> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 14:43:48 +0100 From: "c.voit" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: delays that slowwww References: <1af6e93a.34aea09c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NmNfW.A.FDB.IE6r0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2137 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 06:51:30 -0800 X-UIDL: 64154975f2ea7741a7e5ea823cdb3157 Status: O X-Status: The first affordable DDelay Ibanez DD1000 could do 1024 ms delays, had a hold (loop closed) foot switch, a sin modulation of the delay time (pitch mod of the delays) and by varying the delay time you could make the cool detune slowwww down trick my first emotions in the world of looping 8=) can somebody remind me the year... Claude From ???@??? Sun Jan 04 19:21:12 1998 >From kflint Sun Jan 4 06:59:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xorWX-0001gW-00; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 06:59:33 -0800 Message-ID: <34AFB0BA.B27@infobiogen.fr> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 15:54:35 +0000 From: Malhomme Olivier Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: I P L X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FMEue.A.iZB.pM6r0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2138 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 06:59:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 179a4ac4657f4729091f13c895b4617b Status: O X-Status: A new question... I tried recently to feed my vortex with two different inputs. Surprisingly, one take precedence on the other (one of the inputs is muted completely) but one of the outputs get muted too! That is rather strange... When fed with a mono signal, it is working absolutely perfectly. Very very strange.... Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Sun Jan 04 19:21:45 1998 >From kflint Sun Jan 4 17:57:57 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xp1ng-0000FQ-00; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:57:56 -0800 Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:54:55 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: marathon@pop3.joshuanet.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Looper's Delight" From: Marathon Records/Finley Sound Design Subject: Looper CD Update Resent-Message-ID: <"JP0A6D.A.SLH.gzDs0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2139 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:57:56 -0800 X-UIDL: 99f93197c41aad5e45405ba063284636 Status: O X-Status: A quick little update on the Looper CD project. We are not accepting any more contributors for this project. The response has been overwhelming. If you feel left out, don't worry, there is plenty of interest for future projects. Stay tuned!! Check this page to see who's involved: http://www.joshuanet.com/marathon/Looper_CD.html Matt _______________________________ Matt McCabe Finley Sound Design Marathon Records http://www.joshuanet.com/marathon/ From ???@??? Mon Jan 05 16:16:34 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 5 14:23:13 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xpKvP-0000EP-00; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:23:11 -0800 From: Takadimi Message-ID: <71e67e34.34b15a10@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:09:18 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Lexicon Jam Man Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"fJckqD.A.pjG.vrVs0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2140 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:23:11 -0800 X-UIDL: 8a1a27c015764e2f5a0a99af62387875 Status: O X-Status: Hello. My name is Todd. I am a Drummer/Percussionist looking for a Jam Man. If you have a buy/sell reference page or can get me in touch with someone who has one, I would be grateful. Ive already tried Harmony Central with no luck. Thanks for your time. Email Takadimi@aol.com From ???@??? Mon Jan 05 16:16:39 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 5 15:54:29 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xpMLg-0000mX-00; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:54:24 -0800 From: PMimlitsch Message-ID: <3ef34b22.34b16d23@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:30:29 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: stickwire-l@netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: NJ Stick/Loop gigs Content-type: text/plain Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"P70KQ.A.NAH.bAXs0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2141 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:54:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 03e80a8379e729b2c66f36ca333a6748 Status: O X-Status: "Explorations in Time and Space" - An evening of Soundscapes and Imporovisations w/ Paul Mimlitsch (Chapman Stick¨/Loops) and J. Jody Janetta (Percussion/Treated Voice). Sat. Jan. 10th. - Border's Books and Music, Mays Landing 407 - 1960 (w/Michael Robbins-violin as "Adelante" - Free jazz?fusion) Fri. Jan. 8:00pm - Down to Earth Coffeehouse Mt. Holly 265-9135 (w/Bill Forcier-Synthesizers) Sat. Jan. 17th. - 8:00pm - Celestial Cafe, Medford 596 - 7098 Sat. Jan. 24th. 8:00pm - Cafe Seattle, Haddonfield 354 - 2220 Sat. Jan. 31st 8:00pm - A.J. Muggas Uncommon Grounds, Merchantville 317 - 0199 (w/Bill Forcier - Synthesizers) Sat. Feb. 14th. 8:00pm - Celestial Cafe, Medford 596 - 7098 From ???@??? Mon Jan 05 22:25:41 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 5 19:43:08 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xpPuz-00070H-00; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:43:05 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:12:14 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: NJ Stick/Loop gigs Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"a2o4t.A.U8F.3aas0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2143 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:43:05 -0800 X-UIDL: b5a3c2379613c244cefdb30ddf721459 Status: O X-Status: Which state is the Medford in your Celestial Cafe in? From ???@??? Mon Jan 05 22:25:41 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 5 19:11:23 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xpPQ3-00047B-00; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:11:07 -0800 Message-ID: <34B1A19D.8636D455@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 22:14:39 -0500 From: mark sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu Organization: metaliminal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan sync misconceptions. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C29135047@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kyFv3C.A.oOD.q8Zs0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2142 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:11:07 -0800 X-UIDL: c052e9989c95f5471b6e398eaed44037 Status: O X-Status: Hey there Bob, Sorry to bother you, but a while ago you wrote: > > > With MIDI clock IN disabled, the sequencer and JamMan can be connected > > as shown above but JamMan will ignore the MIDI clocks being output by > the sequencer and still recognize all of the control commands. With > this > setup the operator simply TAPs in the first loop and a whole series of > > complex commands can be programmed into the sequencer with no > additional > operator intervention except to play their perspective instrument. > I have a question. Is the opposite possible? Can I make my JamMan ignore program change commands while still synching to a MIDI clock? Anyway, thanks for any help you can give me. By the way, I FINALLY got the chance to install the "Special 2 ROM" that you sent me many months ago. Tomorrow I intend to do the proper mods on my footswitchs, so you may be asked to come to the rescue with info soon. We'll see... Also, isn't there anyone over there at Lexicon that you can kick in the butt and have them start making those crazy delays again? I can't imagine that a processor that fetches full retail and beyond USED can't be profitable for them to make. Kooky! Thanks, -- -- Mark @ ¿??? IAMNOTHERE c From ???@??? Mon Jan 05 22:25:45 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 5 20:48:16 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xpQw3-0004sR-00; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:48:15 -0800 Message-Id: <199801060441.XAA26008@mail.colba.net> From: "Julia & Dave" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Robert Fripp ALONE Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:41:12 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ptDJlB.A.4CE.6Ybs0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2144 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:48:15 -0800 X-UIDL: 9ceb83e0f8c1029069f5d4c0939440de Status: O X-Status: Hi, Robert Fripp is coming to Montreal Robert Fripp ALONE Monday January 19th 8:30 pm Club Soda (514) 270-7848 (Montreal) Tickets available through Admission Ticket Outlets (514) 790-1245 I got mine today and there are still plenty left according to the teller. Hope this info can be of use to Loopers in the area... Cheers, D 4 V 1 D K R 1 5 T 1 4 N jndk@colba.net http://www.total.net/~alien8/Kristian.html http://www.interlog.com/~stained/feedback/othprint/kristian.htm From ???@??? Mon Jan 05 22:25:46 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 5 21:02:57 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xpRAC-0006Hp-00; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 21:02:52 -0800 From: Salazzar2 Message-ID: <8892a29a.34b1b7e9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:49:43 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Robert Fripp ALONE Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"IgXp8D.A.DOF.Qlbs0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2145 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 21:02:52 -0800 X-UIDL: 8e29e99581929c93927b5310c7d8f019 Status: O X-Status: Greetings all....I saw Mr. Fripp in Philadelphia early in December and I must say that it is a must see. After approximately an hour and a half of crafting the soundscapes, he had a question and answer period with the audience. He was in rare form that night....very interesting and funny man....enjoy the show, if you go!!!! From ???@??? Tue Jan 06 10:20:19 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 6 03:05:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xpWoe-0002dk-00; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 03:05:00 -0800 From: PMimlitsch Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 05:59:02 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: NJ Stick/Loop gigs Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"WhFu5B.A.OPC.A7gs0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2146 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 03:05:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 5d3e7e19f29ba88d2d961e4d30c6c8b7 Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 1/5/98 10:43:26 PM, you wrote: <> New Jersey From ???@??? Tue Jan 06 12:55:00 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 6 12:35:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xpfiE-0001jj-00; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 12:34:58 -0800 Message-Id: <199801062018.MAA09790@scv3.apple.com> Subject: Time machine question Date: Tue, 6 Jan 98 14:18:03 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"vLvm5C.A.Ql.-Lps0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2151 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 12:34:58 -0800 X-UIDL: 56eb6a8c2652ae7cb8a38c75211efd27 Status: O X-Status: I just received a Time Machine (like, two minutes ago), and I was looking at the back jacks. They're quarter-inch mono jacks which protrude about 3/8" beyond the chassis, and they're threaded on the outside. I'd prefer that there were those big plastic nuts threaded on the jacks so that the strain relief is transferred to the metal chassis, not the pc board inside. A question to the other TM owners--do your jacks have nuts? Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Tue Jan 06 10:20:50 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 6 07:59:59 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xpbQ3-0006hx-00; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:59:55 -0800 X-From_:lwordsman@pirnie.com Tue Jan 06 07:59:51 1998 Received: from mail1.noc.netcom.net [204.31.1.150] by ferret with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xpbPs-0006ZI-00; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:59:48 -0800 Received: from mail-whi.malcolmpirnie.com (mail-whi.pirnie.com [207.93.215.211]) by mail1.noc.netcom.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA00645 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:52:26 -0800 (PST) From: lwordsman@pirnie.com Received: from mailnet.malcolmpirnie.com ([10.1.1.15]) by mail-whi.malcolmpirnie.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 166 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:02:15 -0500 Received: (from Consensys@localhost) by mailnet.malcolmpirnie.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA00037; Tue, 06 Jan 1998 11:01:47 -0500 Old-Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 11:01:47 -0500 Message-Id: <199801061601.LAA00037@mailnet.malcolmpirnie.com> To: Loopers-delight@annihilist.com X-Mailer: MailNet 4.10 Subject: X-Diagnostic: undecipherable, help sent X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:59:55 -0800 X-UIDL: c462feff3a84c03302fbe9fae972e6c5 Status: O X-Status: By the way, whilst composing my previous message and this one, I've been listening to Fripp and Eno's "No Pussyfooting" first time in a long time. This is the type of droning meditative stuff that I'd like to emulate. From ???@??? Tue Jan 06 10:20:50 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 6 08:06:38 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xpbWX-0007GG-00; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 08:06:37 -0800 From: lwordsman@pirnie.com Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 11:00:31 -0500 Message-Id: <199801061600.LAA00096@mailnet.malcolmpirnie.com> To: Loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: ZOOM 508 X-Mailer: MailNet 4.10 Resent-Message-ID: <"NBS_IC.A.DJG.pSls0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2147 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 08:06:37 -0800 X-UIDL: 29a16c81c98cc1611de972815bb3d3bc Status: O X-Status: Thanx for all of the input regarding the digitech time machine. I bought a zoom 508 but am not sure that I like the scrolling interface. Knobs may be the way to go. I didn't buy an expression pedal and so the TAP and HOLD features only work in the edit mode. The manual is not very clear regarding the use of these functions without the foot control. To date I've been able to use the hold mode which allows me to jam over a repeated portion of material but I can't figure out how to establish the length of the loop that is held. I seem to get just a fragment of the overall delayed material. Maybe a half second piece of a four second delay. TAP has completely eluded me. I know this stuff is pretty basic to most of you but I would appreciate any direction possible. I have until next week to return the device for a full refund and may still do that and opt for the time machine. I'd like to get into a more detailed discussion of the zoom with someone knowledgable if anyone has the time. That could be done seperate from this list to avoid boring others. From ???@??? Tue Jan 06 10:20:55 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 6 08:44:30 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xpc79-0002pU-00; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 08:44:27 -0800 Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:37:16 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Dubofsky To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: ZOOM 508 In-Reply-To: <199801061600.LAA00096@mailnet.malcolmpirnie.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"y4iivB.A.e-B.C3ls0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2148 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 08:44:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 7b8f114db68a45749a2228fea61296c7 Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 6 Jan 1998 lwordsman@pirnie.com wrote: > > Thanx for all of the input regarding the digitech time machine. I bought a zoom 508 but am not sure that I like the scrolling interface. Knobs may be the way to go. > > I didn't buy an expression pedal and so the TAP and HOLD features only work in the edit mode. The manual is not very clear regarding the use of these functions without the foot control. To date I've been able to use the hold mode which allows me to jam over a repeated portion of material but I can't figure out how to establish the length of the loop that is held. I seem to get just a fragment of the overall delayed material. Maybe a half second piece of a four second delay. TAP has completely eluded me. > > I know this stuff is pretty basic to most of you but I would appreciate any direction possible. I have until next week to return the device for a full refund and may still do that and opt for the time machine. > > I'd like to get into a more detailed discussion of the zoom with someone knowledgable if anyone has the time. That could be done seperate from this list to avoid boring others. tap and hold are available without the footswitch, you tap both pedals at the same time. Press to start the loop, then again to end the loop. All rights reserved. No part of skullsaw may be reproduced in any form without written consent from skullsaw www.gti.net/skullsaw From ???@??? Tue Jan 06 12:54:52 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 6 12:09:43 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xpd32-0000LQ-00; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 09:44:16 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 12:31:51 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: NJ Stick/Loop gigs Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"ebBQJC.A.CzG.Hrms0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2149 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 09:44:16 -0800 X-UIDL: 7d95d0ecfe47fdc726d33d676ad7b9bc Status: O X-Status: Damn, we were hoping it was just down the road. From ???@??? Tue Jan 06 10:51:04 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 6 10:45:59 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xpe0i-0005T1-00; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:45:56 -0800 Message-ID: <34B26F17.6D93F553@mediaone.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 12:51:19 -0500 From: Jason Secord X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-MOEMW (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: RE: digitech time machine vs. zoooooooooooooooommmmmmm (the winnner is clear) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------E62DB71B3F9CE37759123E27" Resent-Message-ID: <"_dhd2.A.P7D.Plns0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2150 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:45:56 -0800 X-UIDL: 822fbe61512d8d299888fe7ae65d4189 Status: O X-Status:    1wordsman wrote:  "Thanx for all of the input regarding the digitech time machine.  I bought a zoom 508 ..."

There's always a beginning...   So you bought a zoom.  Although they sell like mad and get alot of talk, I've always loathed scrolling "data-entry" user interfaces....   I hate to say it, but to me, knobs are essential (like ni***les, they must be twiddled!!!).  And for all intensive purposes, the time machine sounds better than the zoom products (*subjective/excuse me).  I could try and discuss the Zoom stuff with you sometime, but I'll only end up reinforcing this message..... FOR THE MONEY, YOU CAN'T GO WRONG WITH A DIGITECH TIME MACHINE....ESPECIALLY ONE OF THE MODELS WITH 6 OR 7 SECONDS.  With a Zoom, the user is forced to work within a series of pre-sets and you can only use one effect at a time.  BORING.   The TIME Machine gives you chorus/flanging/echo/doubling/arm-trigger..... direct out/Mix out/phase out (stereo)/arm-trigger foot control via momentary foot-switch... Foot control over delay time (which also effects chorusing and flanging) via a volume pedal... Foot control over repeat-Hold (momentary foot switch, again!)...
I CAN GO ON.
    Regardless, I plug into my friends time machine and I'm stuck there for hours... and I have fun...rather than frustration.

Peace to all and have a great day! From ???@??? Wed Jan 07 01:14:09 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 6 14:34:13 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xphZM-0005dU-00; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:33:57 -0800 Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:21:52 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Re: Time machine question In-Reply-To: <199801062018.MAA09790@scv3.apple.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"hYxd4B.A.IOE.L7qs0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2152 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:33:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 7f20aae1b68d1d1ee3231db7df220805 Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, T.W. Hartnett wrote: > A question to the other TM owners--do your jacks have nuts? That's a rather personal question, but yes, they do. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Wed Jan 07 01:14:20 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 6 15:44:47 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xpifq-0004zF-00; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:44:42 -0800 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:08:19 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: babs Subject: Voice Vandal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Resent-Message-ID: <"ZmSXHB.A.W1D.p_rs0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2153 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:44:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 9b19a8ce697a085ff3ded34207f3758d Status: O X-Status: With all the talk of Time Machines and delays with pitch controls , I thought some of you may be interested in this little gizmo. Maplin electronics in the UK sell an electronics kit called a 'Voice Vandal'. It has echo,delay,chopping level,digital distorsion and speed/pitch adjustment. It was designed for getting weird dalek-like effects I think. A sort of NIN-in-a-box , I haven't got one yet , so I can't say whether it's electronic earcandy or a sonic Turkey... but if you're interested you may find some info on their website. www.maplin.co.uk Babs From ???@??? Wed Jan 07 01:14:24 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 6 16:24:04 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xpjHp-0001BC-00; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:23:57 -0800 From: PMimlitsch Message-ID: <57f46273.34b2c49e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:56:07 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: NJ Stick/Loop gigs Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"1_MKN.A.QR.Hkss0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2154 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:23:57 -0800 X-UIDL: cffdd6e51e085fcfabac613c6f80ee23 Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 1/6/98 3:13:20 PM, you wrote: <> Down the road from where? From ???@??? Wed Jan 07 01:14:29 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 6 17:46:42 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xpkZr-0001Xc-00; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:46:39 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD1ABC.66604180@paladin.bsquare.com> From: Clark Battle Reply-To: "battleaxe@worldnet.att.net" To: "'loopers-delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: How to tell the difference Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:01:50 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"L-rykB.A.bi.Nwts0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2155 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:46:39 -0800 X-UIDL: 972aa99f48f1f850a8f6ea9ad0a57e87 Status: O X-Status: Is there a way to tell the difference between old Echoplexi and new Echoplexi with the latest version of the Loop software? I have located one but dont know what version it is. Can you tell by the serial number or something? Clark Battle From ???@??? Wed Jan 07 01:14:32 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 6 18:54:34 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xpldR-0000PY-00; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:54:25 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980107021200.0099ad04@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 18:12:00 -0800 To: "battleaxe@worldnet.att.net" , "'loopers-delight@annihilist.com'" From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: How to tell the difference Resent-Message-ID: <"FZtzrB.A.57G.Nyus0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2157 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:54:25 -0800 X-UIDL: 6027ef564e478432e0dc3f2a9b3e0de1 Status: O X-Status: Any Echoplex DP can have either version of software, as the hardware hasn't significantly changed in that regard. so if you get one with an old version of Loop installed, you can certainly get it upgraded. You can tell which software version is installed right at power up, when it displays the version. The older software versions are very pragmatic and get right to the point, displaying something like "LD3.3.2" before showing the loop time. The new version is a bit more dramatic in proclaiming it's identity, scrolling "Loop3" across the display 3 times before displaying the version, which is currently 5.0. And it should be pretty clear whether it's a really old echoplex or not, as those ones use tape. The really, really old ones are also green and use tubes. ;-) kim At 04:01 PM 1/6/98 -0800, Clark Battle wrote: >Is there a way to tell the difference between old Echoplexi and new >Echoplexi with the latest version of the Loop software? I have located >one but dont know what version it is. Can you tell by the serial number >or something? > >Clark Battle > > > _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Wed Jan 07 01:14:31 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 6 18:34:42 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xplK8-0006GR-00; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:34:28 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 21:20:35 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NJ Stick/Loop gigs Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"0N5KoD.A.w_E.rdus0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2156 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:34:28 -0800 X-UIDL: 5c95f5975e3af9d49fb59eaabd0e5b83 Status: O X-Status: Ashland, Oregon...home of the LoOpDoctOrs. From ???@??? Wed Jan 07 12:50:17 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 7 09:36:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xpzOX-0000F1-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:35:57 -0800 Message-Id: <199801071709.JAA29780@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Time Machine arcana Date: Wed, 7 Jan 98 11:09:19 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"SmMVeC.A.vnG.Zr7s0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2162 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:35:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 8fbe5293a88353e78e303b44986f122d Status: O X-Status: A couple of Time Machine tidbits: ¥ If you ever open the thing up, DO NOT unscrew any of the screws on the bottom of the unit. The two on one side are the transformer mounts, and the other two support the PCB. Loosen these, and little spacing nuts and stuff start rattling around the inside. There are LOTS of screws on the outside, but you only need to undo the front-panel torque screws and the left, right and top panel screws. You must take off the top--the board will not slide straight out the front, and be careful with the power supply wire on the back. ¥ I found out that Digitech has online tech support, and I received a response within twenty minutes, although they advertise a 48 hour turnaround. According to them, if the Time Machine goes down, they have a $55 flat fee for out of warranty repairs (I don't know which products this applies to). ¥ I asked about the jack nuts on the back, and this is what they said: "I know that there were a few years of production on those units when we did not put nuts on those jacks. The jacks were hard soldered to the PCB, and the PCB fit flush against the back pannel inside the unit. This made the engineers feel that it would be strong enough to withstand the strain from cables being connected." For my piece of mind, I'm going to thread nuts on the jacks, just to be sure. Kudos to Digitech! Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Wed Jan 07 12:50:25 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 7 11:26:15 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xq177-00039E-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:26:05 -0800 Message-Id: <199801071849.KAA25564@scv3.apple.com> Subject: Re: Thanks Travis! Date: Wed, 7 Jan 98 12:49:15 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"pPkENC.A.95B.bR9s0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2164 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:26:05 -0800 X-UIDL: 22b0f84c470eb34a88f4a42c53b2000a Status: O X-Status: >>¥ If you ever open the thing up... > >Why did you open yours in the first place? Not that I've a fear of the >'pandora effect', I just don't know enough about the unit to feel good about >opening it up. An Electro-Harmonix Small Stone, MAYBE, but I doubt it. :) > I bought it used, and there was already something rattling around loose inside, and I wanted to see if I could squirt some contact cleaner into the feedback pot (it makes a horrible loud burst of white noise if it's rotated in the lower 25% of its range, which I never use, but I thought I'd try and clean it anyway). In the course of hunting down the intial loose part, I mistakenly loosened the bottom screws, and then had to dig my way out of that pit. >>¥ I found out that Digitech has online tech support... > >What's their number? You can email them using the form from their webpage at: http://www.digitech.com/mailroom/index.htm Travis From ???@??? Wed Jan 07 12:49:46 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 7 06:06:05 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xpw7O-0007dl-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 06:06:02 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:59:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801071359.IAA26421@newman.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re:nutty Time machine question Resent-Message-ID: <"GGQK4.A.0mG.6o4s0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2158 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 06:06:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 9e0e958abcacdf9fd66c24c96a3d3f5a Status: O X-Status: At 02:18 PM 1/6/98 -0000, you wrote: >I just received a Time Machine (like, two minutes ago), and I was looking >at the back jacks. They're quarter-inch mono jacks which protrude about >3/8" beyond the chassis, and they're threaded on the outside. I'd prefer >that there were those big plastic nuts threaded on the jacks so that the >strain relief is transferred to the metal chassis, not the pc board >inside. A question to the other TM owners--do your jacks have nuts? > >Travis Hartnett > > > mine also has black plastic nuts threaded on and I threaded one on the 1/4" input jack on my Jamman so I know at least one place where you could get replacements congrats on the Time machine acquisition--the more I play with my RDS 8000, the more I like it. drone on~~~~~Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Wed Jan 07 12:49:45 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 7 06:05:54 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xpw7E-0007cW-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 06:05:52 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:59:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801071359.IAA26427@newman.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: fresh Vortex sightings Resent-Message-ID: <"asWefC.A.FnG.7o4s0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2159 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 06:05:52 -0800 X-UIDL: 6c50badd4e4b789f094938ede16c0aa0 Status: O X-Status: When you can't sleep in the Stygian depthes of 3 AM, you troll te Web for goodies--both of htese were posted in hte last 12 hours Vortex, hardly used best offer over $125 gorgon@telerama.lm.com Two Vortexes $ 275 ea. Sound Advice 207.883.7426 bleen on~~~~~Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Wed Jan 07 12:50:04 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 7 08:14:46 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xpy7u-0000Dk-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:14:42 -0800 Message-ID: <001001bd1b85$cfc16400$a022dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: Time machine question Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:03:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"sAO8QB.A.htG.qg6s0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2160 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:14:42 -0800 X-UIDL: d4e5b13f598584ef5c5cdd05b27f21d9 Status: O X-Status: Interesting. No nuts on the 7.6 I've got... >I just received a Time Machine (like, two minutes ago), and I was looking >at the back jacks. They're quarter-inch mono jacks which protrude about >3/8" beyond the chassis, and they're threaded on the outside. I'd prefer >that there were those big plastic nuts threaded on the jacks so that the >strain relief is transferred to the metal chassis, not the pc board >inside. A question to the other TM owners--do your jacks have nuts? > >Travis Hartnett > > From ???@??? Wed Jan 07 12:50:10 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 7 08:59:32 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xpypF-0004UJ-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:59:29 -0800 From: Emmanuel Angel Message-Id: <199801071651.LAA12547@dolphin.upenn.edu> Subject: Vortex for sale To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:51:14 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qi3YvC.A.eaD.FK7s0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2161 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:59:29 -0800 X-UIDL: a527fa5348d688f3a27122c94f2bc269 Status: O X-Status: For sale: 1 Lexicon Vortex: Brand new in box. Never used! Price: best offer over $300 plus shipping. reply to E. Angel: angel2@dolphin.upenn.edu From ???@??? Wed Jan 07 12:50:24 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 7 10:29:53 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xq0Ee-0005Q4-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:29:48 -0800 Message-ID: <001201bd1b98$a543b9e0$ea22dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Thanks Travis! Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:18:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"AFsBlB.A.LSE.ve8s0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2163 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:29:48 -0800 X-UIDL: ca609a4bf52119193b87f54cefdb1265 Status: O X-Status: ...for giving us the benefit of your experience, which sounds like something I'm glad I've not had to do. >¥ If you ever open the thing up... Why did you open yours in the first place? Not that I've a fear of the 'pandora effect', I just don't know enough about the unit to feel good about opening it up. An Electro-Harmonix Small Stone, MAYBE, but I doubt it. :) >¥ I found out that Digitech has online tech support... What's their number? >For my piece of mind, I'm going to thread nuts on the jacks, just to be sure. Ditto here. I recently took The Rig up to Reno for a weekend jamming with an old friend, and, in the absence of a proper shipping box for the TM and my QuadraVerb, packaged them both securely in the center of a suitcase that allowed enough room on all sides for good cushioning. Wipe the look of appalled shock off yer faces, folks. :) But it worked, in addition to the standard-issue Fender case for Cthulhu, my Strat. Given the inflated prices of most decent crates, I'm going to design my own that doubles as a rack mount. Is it just me, or is business these days rife with hotshots who operate on an extreme use of Supply/Demand, to the extent that sectors exist using artificial price levelling? For a long time this was prevalent with synths, esp. drum machines; then it was digital keyboards, then MIDI software/hardware, and so on.. Every time something like the above items produced a diminishing profit margin, some other product becomes more inflated. Why is it the cost of a good crate, then, has not diminished? I mean, some of them cost more than the gear I'd put it it. Perhaps there haven't been enough technological developments in that business to lower the costs of production/purchase. But on the other hand, perhaps the Case business has had a huge profit margin from the beginning. Unless artificially controlled as in the case of monopolies, this situation should almost shout for others to produce a competitively-priced quality product. So why haven't we seen this? How bout that folks? Whatta you think? Stephen Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Productions * Get the Loop Of The Week Free! From ???@??? Wed Jan 07 23:03:53 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 7 13:38:57 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xq3BU-0000WX-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:38:44 -0800 From: lwordsman@pirnie.com Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 16:31:31 -0500 Message-Id: <199801072131.QAA00158@mailnet.malcolmpirnie.com> To: Loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Noisy Knobs X-Mailer: MailNet 4.10 Resent-Message-ID: <"3IN44D.A.e-G.2O_s0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2165 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:38:44 -0800 X-UIDL: 0631ce3053366e853eab1353eda1cc76 Status: O X-Status: Travis Hartnett Wrote: " I wanted to see if I could squirt some contact cleaner into the feedback pot (it makes a horrible loud burst of white noise if it's rotated in the lower 25% of its range. " My amp makes terrible noise when I turn the knobs and I was unaware of any product that could help reduce that noise. Please tell me more. From ???@??? Wed Jan 07 23:03:58 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 7 14:27:34 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xq3wX-0005PV-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:27:21 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD1B8F.65EAC580@jbrainin@interactive.net> From: Jonathan Brainin To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Philadelphia Loop Show 1998 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:55:53 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4008 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6PIHGD.A.X8D.d6_s0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2166 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:27:21 -0800 X-UIDL: bcb018743319c1443c2ce8f8671c504b Status: O X-Status: Hey there! What's happening? Is there any news about Loopapalooza '98 yet? I still am hoping to be a part of this year's show. Is there anything you need me to do in the interim? Jonathan Brainin jbrainin@interactive.net On Friday, October 31, 1997 11:42 AM, JSPEEr [SMTP:jspeer@haverford.edu] wrote: > Hi all, > > So I'd like to start thinking about putting another Loop Show on, most > likely in March or April again of next year. I am not entirely sure what > the goal of this follow-up show should be; Perhaps to get entirely > different artists than last year, comes immediately to mind. But we had > such a strong line-up last year, and I'm not deeply philosophically opposed > to repeat performances, particularly since this is a full year later. > > Anybody interested in this show, in participating, in attending, in making > suggestions, questions, whatever, please email me. I'm sure I will > gradually get a sense of what the show will be like once I get some more > input. > > Looking forward to hearing from you! > > Jim Speer > > From ???@??? Wed Jan 07 23:05:29 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 7 20:22:23 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xq9U2-0002TG-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:22:18 -0800 Message-ID: <34B454E6.6EE50A80@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 23:24:08 -0500 From: mark sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu Organization: metaliminal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Philadelphia Loop Show 1998 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <01BD1B8F.65EAC580@jbrainin@interactive.net> Content-Type: text/plain; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OYSjGD.A.1hB.4JFt0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2167 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:22:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 02e8bfa5b733da7bf8b1c6a3a75641c1 Status: O X-Status: > > So I'd like to start thinking about putting another Loop Show on, > most > > likely in March or April again of next year. I am not entirely sure > what > > the goal of this follow-up show should be; Perhaps to get entirely > > different artists than last year, comes immediately to mind. But we > had > > such a strong line-up last year, and I'm not deeply philosophically > opposed > > to repeat performances, particularly since this is a full year > later. > > > > Anybody interested in this show, in participating, in attending, in > making > > suggestions, questions, whatever, please email me. I'm sure I will > > gradually get a sense of what the show will be like once I get some > more > > input. > > > > Looking forward to hearing from you! > > > > Jim Speer > > > > Hey, I would love to participate in a Looper show. I perform solo and with a group that uses multipal JamMen. If you need a demo tape, one can be supplied. Let me know. -- -- Mark @ ¿??? IAMNOTHERE c From ???@??? Wed Jan 07 23:50:41 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 7 23:33:55 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xqCTQ-00038X-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:33:52 -0800 Message-ID: <001301bd1c06$9437ac60$5e22dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Are there... Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:25:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"kulyID.A.anC.NBIt0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2168 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:33:52 -0800 X-UIDL: ed8b742fe162fe28e108c28ba90d89e2 Status: O X-Status: ..any of us on this list in Atlanta? My sister's family lives there and it seems to have an interesting if undeveloped arts community... I was wondering about the idea of perhaps banging our instruments together - perhaps even publicly, the next time I go out there to visit (sometime in the next 4-5 months). Kindly reply to me at sgoodman@earthlight.net Stephen Goodman * Download The Loop Of The Week and more! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios *--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- From ???@??? Fri Jan 09 00:38:39 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 8 10:51:07 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xqN2l-0000Ny-00; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:51:03 -0800 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C291B8F29@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: MPX R1 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:32:37 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"9yqO2.A.uJG.XyRt0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2169 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:51:03 -0800 X-UIDL: 0440f508c37dca7d8990c09ef6166581 Status: O X-Status: Awhile back Kim had asked about the MPX R1:"- Can the footswitches be programmed to act in a momentary or toggle function? Momentary meaning you press the switch and one midi string is sent, when you let go of the switch, a second midi string is sent. Toggle meaning the first time I press a given switch, it sends one string of midi commands, the second time I press it it sends a second string. The most obvious example of momentary is playing notes or chords on a synth, where press down on the switch sends the note-on and releasing it sends the note off. Toggle is useful for a stomp-box like approach, where you might have one effect assigned to a given switch. So you press that switch and the effect comes on, press again and it turns off. The PMC-10 and Roctron pedals can do these and I find it extremely useful. > - Does it have midi in? If so, can it do things like midi merge, midi > filtering, etc.? > > - Can you send all possible midi commands? For example, I want to send > note-on, note-off to synths and samplers. I'd also like to send > start-song > and stop-song messages to sequencers. And for any commands not > explicitly available, I'd like to be able to send sysex, or even just > directly type in > the hex for the midi command. (for example, I'm a long way from > needing > this, but eventually I would like to use Midi Show Control for > lighting and > such. If I could spontaneously set the lighting while playing, that > would > be very cool. I wouldn't expect this in a midi pedal, but if I could > type > in the hex for it myself that would be fine.) Again, I can do this > stuff > with the PMC-10. But like Miko, if the pmc starts acting up I'd like > to > know what else I can get." > > - how many patches/banks/sets etc can it hold? > > thanks, > > kim Sorry for the delay in responding to this. There is no toggling of different functions from one switch. It will send all MIDI commands except for Note On and Note Off. There is no SYSEX programming. There is a MIDI in for merging data but no filtering. There are 100 setups. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone +781-280-0372 FAX +781-280-0499 email: ghogan@lexicon.com From ???@??? Fri Jan 09 00:38:56 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 8 12:29:12 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xqOZV-0002RR-00; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:28:57 -0800 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 98 13:39:19 CST From: "Brian L Jackson" Message-Id: <9800088842.AA884296727@ccbbn5.dttus.com> To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Upgraded JAMMAN For Sale$$ Resent-Message-ID: <"GR9lP.A.XSB.ySTt0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2170 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:28:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 6b69908315aac892b70533d6d91bc109 Status: O X-Status: Hi Loopers! Lexicon JAMMAN For Sale w/upgraded memory, manual, (2) footswitches will take best offer email direct to "brijackson@dttus.com" Cheers Brian From ???@??? Fri Jan 09 00:38:57 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 8 12:35:21 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xqOfU-00034n-00; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:35:08 -0800 From: ENAT21213 Message-ID: <38e8bc7a.34b53599@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:22:48 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Philadelphia Loop Show 1998 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"4H1CIB.A.o0B.1XTt0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2171 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:35:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 9e64fcbcd96446281559e922c8e8aa5e Status: O X-Status: Hello Jim Speer, I play with a project called Electric Bird Noise.We play cinematic loop and layered intrumental guitar music.We are very interested in playing your loop show in Philadelphia.Please send us more information.Were can we send a promo pack? Thank you Brian McKenzie ENAT21213@aol.com In a message dated 98-01-07 17:25:08 EST, you write: << So I'd like to start thinking about putting another Loop Show on, most > likely in March or April again of next year. I am not entirely sure what > the goal of this follow-up show should be; Perhaps to get entirely > different artists than last year, comes immediately to mind. But we had > such a strong line-up last year, and I'm not deeply philosophically opposed > to repeat performances, particularly since this is a full year later. > > Anybody interested in this show, in participating, in attending, in making > suggestions, questions, whatever, please email me. I'm sure I will > gradually get a sense of what the show will be like once I get some more > input. > > Looking forward to hearing from you! > Jim Speer From ???@??? Fri Jan 09 00:39:14 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 8 16:16:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xqS7f-00025W-00; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:16:27 -0800 Message-Id: <98Jan8.180621cst.26883@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:08:39 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: What's that burning smell... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"FcsAhC.A.aFB.7oWt0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2172 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:16:27 -0800 X-UIDL: a0ee7f051a31437d21e54798bd593e72 Status: O X-Status: EDP fans- After several less than accurate guesses about the actual shipment dates of e-prom upgrades, we humbly announce that we began shipping yesterday. We have a list of who has already paid and are waiting, but in case you want to re-confirm your order, or just feel like yelling at us for taking so long, please e-mail pmurphy@gibson.com. Our trained personnel are standing by... Tom From ???@??? Fri Jan 09 00:40:10 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 8 18:12:57 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xqTwK-0005hD-00; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:12:52 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 20:55:55 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, Ph.D.) Subject: Re: Philadelphia Loop Show 1998 Resent-Message-ID: <"hwQodB.A.IUE.XUYt0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2173 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:12:52 -0800 X-UIDL: ba64c33b5a26595a0ef466f86ba0aa31 Status: O X-Status: As you know Jim, Accidents will Happen would also be interested. >Hello Jim Speer, >I play with a project called Electric Bird Noise.We play cinematic loop and >layered intrumental guitar music.We are very interested in playing your loop >show in Philadelphia.Please send us more information.Were can we send a promo >pack? >Thank you >Brian McKenzie >ENAT21213@aol.com > >In a message dated 98-01-07 17:25:08 EST, you write: > ><< So I'd like to start thinking about putting another Loop Show on, most > > likely in March or April again of next year. I am not entirely sure what > > the goal of this follow-up show should be; Perhaps to get entirely > > different artists than last year, comes immediately to mind. But we had > > such a strong line-up last year, and I'm not deeply philosophically opposed > > to repeat performances, particularly since this is a full year later. > > > > Anybody interested in this show, in participating, in attending, in making > > suggestions, questions, whatever, please email me. I'm sure I will > > gradually get a sense of what the show will be like once I get some more > > input. > > > > Looking forward to hearing from you! > > > Jim Speer Paul Poplawski, Ph.D. email = ppoplawski@state.de.us or paulpop@ssnet.com phone service = 302/737-4491 weekday office = 302/577-4980 From ???@??? Fri Jan 09 00:40:23 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 8 22:06:44 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xqXab-0001pS-00; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:06:41 -0800 From: GILGOOD Message-ID: <3717174f.34b5bc0c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:56:26 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Philadelphia Loop Show 1998 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"APKp4B.A.VCB.ixbt0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2174 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:06:41 -0800 X-UIDL: da2aa056b0a6e3ab923db2345ac934ea Status: O X-Status: when and where is this show, again. From ???@??? Fri Jan 09 00:40:27 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 8 22:32:00 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xqXz0-00043r-00; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:31:54 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199801090624.WAA01428@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Gravikords, Whirlies, & Pyrophones To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:24:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <3717174f.34b5bc0c@aol.com> from "GILGOOD" at Jan 9, 98 00:56:26 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"a5jXZC.A.zKD.yKct0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2175 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:31:54 -0800 X-UIDL: cd97955e12e2f48ef8518ec18d21b228 Status: O X-Status: I recently found a book/CD published by Ellipsis Arts entitled Gravikords, Whirlies, & Pyrophones: Experimental Musical Instruments. Since most of you folks play instruments that are themselves still close to the cutting edge (Stick, loopers, Ztars, etc.) I thought I'd write a bit about some of the instruments covered in the book. Daxophone - Invented by innovative guitar designer/musician Hans Reichel, this consists of a wooden "tongue" and the Dax, a wooden chunk with both the top and bottom slightly curved for a convex shape with one side fretted. The Daxophone is played by bowing the tongue while pressing the Dax against it. The book shows photos of 12 different Daxophone tongues. I echo here comments posted a while back about this instrument - it has a remarkably vocal quality that can at one instant sound like a person and at aonther sound like an animal. Waterphone - Invented by Richard Waters (how appropriate!). It looks like a stainless steel vase with metal rods attached to the bottom section protruding upward. It can be played with a bow, struck, rubbed with a mallet, etc. The sound comes from the interaction of the ringing metal with the water inside of the instrument. Pneumaphone - Inventor: Godefried-Willem Raes. This instrument consists of one or more inflatable cushions, home-made wind instruments, air compresors, and a mess of air hoses connecting the compressors to keep the cushions inflated and connecting the cushions to the wind instruments. Thus, you play a pneumaphone by sitting on a cushion or squeezing it some other way. Circuit-Bent Instruments - Inventor: Qubais Reed Ghazala. Ghazala developed the art of circuit-bending - short-circuiting audio components deliberatly in search of new sounds. He's built some interesting instruments with this idea, but the one on the CD is an Incantor, a heavily modified Speak And Spell toy that is played by positioning metal balls to affect the speech patterns and tone of the Speak And Spell voice synthesizer. Bamboo Saxophone - A Jamaican musician named Sugar Belly built a sax outof bamboo, cardboard, and tin. Greg, is your bamboo sax (on the Sol album) like this? :) I just realized I could go on all night writing about these instruments. Suffice it to say this book/CD was a pleasant discovery. Some of the music (like the Sugar Belly, Daxophone, and Theremin tracks) is actually quite accessible. It's very inspirational to read that there are still a lot of very creative instrument designers out there. Cheers, Paolo From ???@??? Fri Jan 09 00:40:35 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 8 23:28:38 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xqYrs-00014i-00; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:28:36 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: <3aefce64.34b5d00a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:21:45 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Gravikords, Whirlies, & Pyrophones Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"isavSD.A.Dg.NBdt0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2176 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:28:36 -0800 X-UIDL: 473630f336dd672b39ab876e23bf98f7 Status: O X-Status: Hi Paolo...great post about the instruments! One of our friends has a collection of waterphones and WE WANT THEM ALL! In the same spirit, the LoOpDoctOrs, while doing ethnographic research in northern Italy, came upon a furniture/lifestyle kinda place in Milan and wandered in with their accompanying eight-year-old co-expeditionarys. Both of these tykes have sampled, looped and mangled with the Doctors live in front of non-napping audiences, and are well versed in the kind of maniac and off- kilter instrumentation it takes to win a place in the known looping universe. One of them insisted that a copper napkin ring with a kind of twisted macaroni ring would be just the ticket for infusing the next willing audience with healing sounds. We brought the napkin ring back to these domestic shores. Frankly, we didn't look too excitedly at another triangle thingy, since we thought Ricki Lee Jones and her record producers milked just about every triangle sound ever created in the early seventies. But the Doctors were wrong. This thing does a high frequency karinnnng alright, but what's very strange is that the thickness and weight of the copper (all designed in the service of holding a napkin, remember), also makes it twist at the end of a suspending string. When it does this while being rapped by a hard rubber mallet, the most incredible whirring sound comes out, sort of like whirling a plastic tube, but as one of the Doc's comments, also like a pumping Hammond B3 about to jolt prodigious numbers of smoking internal vaccuum tubes. In short it is that rare sound at once earthy and ethereal that makes one sit up, perk up one's ears, and then stetch like an alert, waking dog who's just been buzzed by sweet but extreme high frequency. Even with advancing age, the Doctors appreciate the refreshing and renewing waters of creativity poured forth from those younger with superior hearing at high frequencies and a willingness to take napkin rings seriously as makers of music. In short, just because you're eating with it doesn't mean you can't hear into it too. Best, the LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Fri Jan 09 11:03:01 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 9 07:31:51 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xqgPW-00059s-00; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:31:50 -0800 Message-Id: <199801091515.HAA27238@scv2.apple.com> Subject: Re: Jammies and Vortices FS Date: Fri, 9 Jan 98 09:15:40 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"_HiDUD.A.DUE.hGkt0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2182 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:31:50 -0800 X-UIDL: 31bc2c580610b7706447525779689bb6 Status: O X-Status: >$250 OBO or trade ( claimed low usage and all accessories and docs) >e-him at legion@voicenet.com > > >he has an interesting Web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~legion--sounds >like our kind of boy! > > >Speaking of slimy East Coast purveyors of flesh and "vintage" gear, Rogue >Music has another Jamman (they exclaim, "their hottest auction items") on >their auction site--it was at $310 this AM and climbing I've started keeping track of the prices of the discontinued baby Lex's, so if you happen across the final price for that auctioned Vortex, please let me know. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Fri Jan 09 11:02:46 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 9 01:28:30 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xqajs-0000Zj-00; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 01:28:28 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:26:08 +0000 Message-ID: <000C0F34.001424@mail.bl.uk> From: David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton) Subject: Looping near London/New Year listening To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"NXY18D.A.2K.Wyet0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2177 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 01:28:28 -0800 X-UIDL: 3995a6811d8f4cbb498cfb2eaaffa9f2 Status: O X-Status: A brief plug for my gig next Friday, 16th Jan, when I'll be playing at the Croydon ClockTower's Balcony Bar between 7&8 pm, prior to the evening's main performance by the very wonderful Eduardo Niebla guitar duo - further details from From kflint Fri Jan 9 05:53:17 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xqes4-0007cI-00; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 05:53:12 -0800 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:47:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801091347.IAA03258@mcfeely.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Jammies and Vortices FS Resent-Message-ID: <"b1pKPC.A.HwG.wpit0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2179 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 05:53:12 -0800 X-UIDL: 30ca6f4f738e77c6ba69ebbbf04b6294 Status: O X-Status: Another Vortex (from rec.mus.synth): $250 OBO or trade ( claimed low usage and all accessories and docs) e-him at legion@voicenet.com he has an interesting Web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~legion--sounds like our kind of boy! Speaking of slimy East Coast purveyors of flesh and "vintage" gear, Rogue Music has another Jamman (they exclaim, "their hottest auction items") on their auction site--it was at $310 this AM and climbing drone on~~~Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Fri Jan 09 11:02:56 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 9 06:05:34 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xqf40-0000cJ-00; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:05:32 -0800 Message-Id: <98Jan9.075910cst.26885@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:01:06 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Re: What's that burning smell... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"X8NdGC.A.wQ.i1it0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2180 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:05:32 -0800 X-UIDL: d7856a4db6dd286122a3b6696eb7dbca Status: O X-Status: Michael enth-oozed- >PS Will it fit in my JamMan? No, but your JamMan will make an excellent partner to your new EDP! ;) Thomas G. Spaulding, Ed.p. From ???@??? Fri Jan 09 11:03:00 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 9 07:20:47 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xqgEn-000416-00; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:20:45 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD1D11.4BDB8890.andrew@bocs.co.uk> From: Andrew To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: What's that burning smell... Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:14:34 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bETRLC.A.8RD.Z7jt0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2181 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:20:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 474003232f474586f8466e771b947c99 Status: O X-Status: Aha ! A well executed entrapment. Tom has clearly admitted EDP's will be available any minute in the UK -----Original Message----- From: Tom Spaulding [SMTP:tspauldi@gibson.com] Sent: 09 January 1998 14:01 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: What's that burning smell... Michael enth-oozed- >PS Will it fit in my JamMan? No, but your JamMan will make an excellent partner to your new EDP! ;) Thomas G. Spaulding, Ed.p. From ???@??? Fri Jan 09 11:03:03 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 9 07:39:44 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xqgX8-00060I-00; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:39:42 -0800 Message-Id: <98Jan9.093257cst.26885@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:34:45 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: RE: What's that burning smell... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"M3ojP.A.lEF.jNkt0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2183 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:39:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 9f6596e5cc8e056d1e77fdffa091de39 Status: O X-Status: Yikes! I gotta be more careful with these attempts at clever witticisms! CE testing (whatever happened to Lend/Lease?) is happening as we speak. Or you could emigrate. :) p.s. Our GM is from Luton, England, UK. Does that count for anything? Thomas G. Spaulding, Esq., Ed.p., USA At 09:14 AM 1/9/98 -0600, you wrote: > >Aha ! A well executed entrapment. Tom has clearly admitted EDP's will be available any minute in the UK > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tom Spaulding [SMTP:tspauldi@gibson.com] >Sent: 09 January 1998 14:01 >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: What's that burning smell... > >Michael enth-oozed- > >>PS Will it fit in my JamMan? > >No, but your JamMan will make an excellent partner to your new EDP! ;) > >Thomas G. Spaulding, Ed.p. > > > > From ???@??? Fri Jan 09 11:03:11 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 9 08:24:20 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xqhEG-00029J-00; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:24:16 -0800 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:11:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801091611.LAA11757@cliff.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re:New Year listening Resent-Message-ID: <"QorSpC.A.t_.7wkt0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2184 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:24:16 -0800 X-UIDL: d626d3284a6b4089a92d96065e4198c6 Status: O X-Status: Still haven't got that top 10 list together, but this post was a button-pusher . . . I'm spinning the following alot so far in '98: John Zorn "New Traditions in East Asian Bar Bands" (Tzadik, 1997)--don't know much about these compositions which were all apparently recorded in the late '80's early '90s, but they are fascinating--CD has beautiful artwork liner notes with translations that look like they were shrunk from LP jacket size to CD liner size as the text is MINISCULE and unreadable without contrast enhancement and a jeweller's loupe --stories with female narration accompanied by: first one, "Hue Die" features Bill Frisell and Fred Frith on guitars second, "Hwang VChin-EE" has Joey Barron and Samm Bennett on drums third, "Que Tran" has Anthony Coleman and Wayne Horvitz on keyboards need I say MORE . . . Golden Palaminos "Dead Inside" (Restless, 1996)-- not for the faint of heart or Pollyannish, the black text of Nicole Blackman with very nice ambience provided by the Anton Fier stable (Skopelitis, Laswell and Knox Chandler) it's really scary to know that there is another human on the planet who thinks these things, much less will commit them to media. Contraindicated if you are in even a hint of a foul mood, before working with power tools or after 10:30 PM and old faves rediscovered: Latin Playboys (Slash 1994) put a couple of Los Lobos in an old warehouse studio with Tchad Blake and Mitchell Froom and a multi-track cassette and you have lo-fi inspiration for home studio people everywhere--very gritty disc Hukwe Zawose "Chibite" (Realworld 1996)--Hukwe and his son Charles--a Tanzanian cooker with thumb pianos, traditional (read "primitive" . . .HAH!) flutes, violins and incredible vocals including the first African "throat-singing" I've ever heard--phenomenal disc Gallon Drunk "Tonight . . .the Singles Bar" (Ryko) collection of their scarce singles--a rollickng Phil Spector-meets-Jesus and Mary Chain with maracas and organ got my copy out of the Best Buy cutout closeout for $0.49 . . .pearls before swine John Cale "Seducing Down The Door" (Rhino 1994)--two disc box with all the goodies from the ethereal Paris 1919 period to the fencing mask-wearing menace period (my fave--"Pablo Picasso", "Fear (is a man's best friend)" "Leaving It Up to You") Eno/Jah Wobble "Spinner" (Gyroscope 1995)--another mystery (soundtrack for "Glitterbug"--anybody enlighten me on this?) I haven't liked alot of Eno's recent output, but this has some nice stuff enuf' droning on already Tom drone on~~~~~Tom At 09:26 AM 1/9/98 +0000, you wrote: > A brief plug for my gig next Friday, 16th Jan, when I'll be playing at > the Croydon ClockTower's Balcony Bar between 7&8 pm, prior to the > evening's main performance by the very wonderful Eduardo Niebla guitar > duo - further details from > Also, a recommendation for a relatively new album out on ECM (possibly > Europe only so far), Nils Petter Molv¾r's "Khmer", which the label > describes as featuring: > > "Massive beats and throbbing grooves [which] underpin the > Norwegian trumpeter's fiery solos in a project that forms a > bridge between ECM's improvised soundscapes and the brave new > world of trip-hop, drum'n'bass, ambient/illbient, techno, > industrial, electronica and samples." > > I'm not sure if I'd've bought it if I'd read that first(!) - its a > factual description in many respects (most of those elements are > present in varying levels of prominence) - but reads like a slightly > desperate attempt to force together "everything that's new". The music > itself touches on areas similar in parts to Jon Hassell, Mark Isham > and possibly Ben Neill (3 other trumpet players - aren't I > imaginative), and I really rather like it. Not a unique stylistic > break-through or anything, but worth investigating. > > Also: I finally got hold of the [`Guitar artistry of...'] Bill Frisell > video, which is fine, although apparently a painful experience for > Bill himself; and in Tower's New Year Sale, I found a David Tronzo > Trio live-in-Japan-for-German-radio (or something like that) CD, which > has hints of looping, and is a cracking good listen too. > > Thats enough for now > > David > > > > > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Fri Jan 09 11:03:13 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 9 09:30:30 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xqiG7-0002E4-00; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:30:15 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD1CF9.5B1CF220@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: 'Loopers Delight' Subject: Vortex Algorithms & EDP Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:23:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JD18IB.A.Vx.Evlt0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2186 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:30:15 -0800 X-UIDL: d15ae99bc9a23948efd014b78864bf9b Status: O X-Status: Hey Kim, What would it take to program Vortex-like algorithms in a future software upgrade for the EDP? Just a thought . . . Thanks, Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Fri Jan 09 11:03:12 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 9 08:41:45 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xqhUt-0003Qz-00; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:41:27 -0800 X-From_:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Fri Jan 9 08:41:18 1998 Sender: camao@camsg001.camb.scee.sony.co.uk Message-ID: <34B65289.BAA461EC@scee.sony.co.uk> Old-Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 16:38:33 +0000 From: Os X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: What's that burning smell... References: <98Jan9.093257cst.26885@gateway.gibson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nS2ynD.A.uND.qMlt0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2185 Precedence: list X-Diagnostic: /usr/lib/sendmail Loopers-Delight-dist@annihilist.com failed X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:41:27 -0800 X-UIDL: fbb99e1d39196571bc30146540bd7f2f Status: O X-Status: Tom Spaulding wrote: > > Yikes! I gotta be more careful with these attempts at clever witticisms! CE > testing (whatever happened to Lend/Lease?) is happening as we speak. Or you > could emigrate. :) > > p.s. Our GM is from Luton, England, UK. Does that count for anything? Not in England! -- Os os@millennium.co.uk http://webworlds.net/os/ From ???@??? Sat Jan 10 03:52:20 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 9 11:48:37 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xqkPl-0001HP-00; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:48:21 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BD1CF9.5B1CF220@mark.asisoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:25:42 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Vortex Algorithms & EDP Resent-Message-ID: <"jHK3uB.A.JC.kxnt0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2187 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:48:21 -0800 X-UIDL: 2cbb94e1eb949e6f4c3d7175aa402e43 Status: O X-Status: >Hey Kim, > >What would it take to program Vortex-like algorithms in a future software >upgrade for the EDP? > >Just a thought . . . It would take new hardware, since the Echoplex doesn't have much dsp power. It's optimized for intensive memory, data, and interface control, which is why it does it's looping thing so well. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Jan 09 11:02:47 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 9 01:59:24 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xqbDm-0002MU-00; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 01:59:22 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980109113431.2fd73946@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 11:34:31 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: What's that burning smell... In-Reply-To: <98Jan8.180621cst.26883@gateway.gibson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"2DvHVB.A.v4B.7Pft0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2178 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 01:59:22 -0800 X-UIDL: 769483b2f807bac0c81ec685fcd6cdce Status: O X-Status: Tom enthused: >After several less than accurate guesses about the actual shipment dates of >e-prom upgrades, we humbly announce that we began shipping yesterday. Jeez, this is so exciting I want to order one, just to take part! :) :) Michael PS Will it fit in my JamMan? From ???@??? Sat Jan 10 03:52:22 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 9 11:59:47 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xqkaa-0002Wc-00; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:59:32 -0800 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:36:49 -0500 From: Michael Peters Subject: RE: New Year listening Sender: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199801091437_MC2-2EB5-DC42@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"hzPSwD.A.VWB.Z9nt0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2188 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:59:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 451ac5b522ce1bc1609af17541785e10 Status: O X-Status: >Tom Lambrecht asked, Eno/Jah Wobble "Spinner" (Gyroscope 1995)-- another mystery (soundtrack for "Glitterbug"--anybody enlighten me on this?) no mystery. Glitterbug is a video by Eno's friend and filmmaker Derek Jarman who died last year. It is basically a compilation of Jarman's early and private super-8 films. Eno wrote the music for the video. If you want to hear Eno pure, buy the video: Glitterbug - The Director's Cut, published by 'Dangerous To Know' 1994, DTK 011 (probably available only in the UK) Spinner is Jah Wobble's remix of Eno's soundtrack. I seem to remember that Eno's 1995 diary (which was published as a book) contains Eno's comments on that work. I like the soundtrack better than Spinner, but that is a matter of taste of course. ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm From ???@??? Sat Jan 10 03:52:29 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 9 12:35:13 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xql8v-0006O7-00; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:35:01 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Ott, John" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Glitterbug Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:21:35 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"qwMUmC.A.KvE.Ucot0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2189 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:35:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 97f94715fa486de35fb7793e079db2ed Status: O X-Status: As I remember Eno thought the Glitterbug soundtrack "did not work" outside the context of the film. And choose not to release it in that form. So he ask Wobble to remix it and add some parts. Some parts are unchanged from the film, others are remixed, some have added material. Spinner is more Wobble's vision of the work than Eno's. I have only spinner and not the glitterbug soundtrack. It's OK not ENO's best or most representative work. Actually Nerve Net is the last Eno work that I've listened to much. (other than his work with Bowie and James) later John > ---------- > From: Michael Peters[SMTP:MPeters@compuserve.com] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 2:54 PM > To: John_Ott@ATK.COM > Subject: RE: New Year listening > > >Tom Lambrecht asked, > > Eno/Jah Wobble "Spinner" (Gyroscope 1995)-- > another mystery (soundtrack for > "Glitterbug"--anybody enlighten me on this?) > > no mystery. Glitterbug is a video by Eno's friend and filmmaker Derek > Jarman who died last year. It is basically a compilation of Jarman's > early > and private super-8 films. Eno wrote the music for the video. If you > want > to hear Eno pure, buy the video: > > Glitterbug - The Director's Cut, published by 'Dangerous To Know' > 1994, DTK > 011 (probably available only in the UK) > > Spinner is Jah Wobble's remix of Eno's soundtrack. I seem to remember > that > Eno's 1995 diary (which was published as a book) contains Eno's > comments on > that work. > > I like the soundtrack better than Spinner, but that is a matter of > taste of > course. > > ___________ > Michael Peters > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters > HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm > > From ???@??? Sat Jan 10 03:53:00 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 9 18:55:47 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xqr5M-0005kP-00; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:55:44 -0800 Posted-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:48:48 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980110024828.006a2dd0@visi.com> X-Sender: spat@visi.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 20:48:28 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: spat@visi.com Subject: RE: Glitterbug Resent-Message-ID: <"F_xI3D.A.11E.WGut0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2190 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:55:44 -0800 X-UIDL: 44bf93111e8b02ccfe2c9fb7ef3c8aed Status: O X-Status: At 02:21 PM 1/9/98 -0600, John wrote: >As I remember Eno thought the Glitterbug soundtrack "did not work" >outside the context of the film. And choose not to release it in that >form. A few of those Glitterbug tracks exist in original form, available on a Gyroscope sampler CD from a couple years ago. P.S..... I'll swap it for something interesting..... I also have an extra copy of "Spinner".... capitalist mode off, Steve From ???@??? Sat Jan 10 03:53:11 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 9 20:21:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xqsQN-0004D1-00; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:21:31 -0800 From: ANET Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:10:18 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Looping in Minnesota Jan. 15,16,17 (Acoustic Guitar) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"Kqj6DB.A.BZD.OXvt0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2191 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:21:31 -0800 X-UIDL: aaa9dc6a2f8a56d77a596e033e256ca2 Status: O X-Status: John Peters will be looping in Minnesota. Rochester's Redwood Room at the Broadstreet cafe Jan. 15,16,17. Come on down and enjoy! Web page forthcoming with sound clips. 3rd Cd. Project is under way, send e-mail to anet@aol.com if you are interested. Cassettes should be mailed to John Peters 15 9th ave. Nw. Kasson, Minnesota, 55944. All recordings returned with SASE. (Self Addressed and Stamped Envelops) Have a good one!!!!!!!!! From ???@??? Sat Jan 10 15:26:18 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 10 10:18:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xr5Tr-0005rW-00; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:17:59 -0800 X-Sender: dchapman@mail.seiniger.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Dan Chapman Subject: newENO Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:16:46 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: <"cKimaD.A.mCF.bn7t0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2192 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:17:59 -0800 X-UIDL: 31e26c63c51ef322c73e333cec56e733 Status: O X-Status: Hi All, I just wanted to ask if anyone here has heard the new Eno cd (1997)? The last one I bought was Nerve Net. It seems recent to me but it's dated 1992. Just curious. Thanks Dan From ???@??? Sat Jan 10 15:26:21 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 10 10:44:00 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xr5t0-0007ct-00; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:43:58 -0800 Message-ID: <34B7C065.B923D558@mediaone.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:39:33 -0500 From: Jason Secord X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-MOEMW (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: newENO References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------EA91328AE5A9F12D8E3D5334" Resent-Message-ID: <"n1HjPB.A.B0G.2B8t0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2193 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:43:58 -0800 X-UIDL: d8f60459325e6b18adf271592bff14a4 Status: O X-Status:  

Dan Chapman wrote:

Hi All,

I just wanted to ask if anyone here has heard the new Eno cd  (1997)?   The
last one I bought was Nerve Net.  It seems recent to me but it's dated
1992.

Just curious.

Thanks

Dan

  Eno does have a new cd out... unfortunately at the moment I can't pin the name down... but I've heard it, and I like it.  Sounds a bit like Spinner, etc...
Little bit more on the techno side of things...  Sorry for the lack of solid and substantial info.... but that's what I'm good for (apparently).
    You may try  asking questions at WDET's web site, which is national public radio in DETROIT.  They love talkin about how friendly they are there and I know that Eno's new cd has gotten airplay there.  I think there address is www.wdet.com  , but, as before, I'm not certain on this... sorry I just woke up.  Good luck!

                                                                        J. Secord
                                                                        innerspace
  From ???@??? Sat Jan 10 15:26:34 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 10 12:05:22 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xr79l-0005ix-00; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:05:21 -0800 Message-ID: <19980110200010.19005.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [164.67.22.154] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: newENO Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:00:09 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"MdeHn.A.SCF.KO9t0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2194 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:05:21 -0800 X-UIDL: b0dacd9ab7a430f12ae31bfc4352f65a Status: O X-Status: Hola- Well Eno has actually released four albums in 1997. The only major release was called "the Drop" and it was put out on All Saints records. It is in the category of what he calls "unwelcome jazz" as in jazz nobody asked for. Pretty different. The next was two limited edition releases tied to his installation at the white cube gallery in the uk. the first was limited to about 500 or so and was called (appropriately) Music For White Cube. Some Eno fans balked as the gallery raised the price of it from 20 to 50 pounds as it became more scarce ala an art print. To my ears it sounds very similar to Thomas Koner transcendent piece "Nuuk." The other tied to this show was a very limited edition (25) which were unique CD-R's of a Koan generative piece. Finally during his sabbatical in Russia he did an installation at the marble palace and released a cd called "Lightness." It was only sold at the exhibition, and probably in the range of 500 editions. For more information, check out the *definative* site on Eno- EnoWeb currently curated by the amazingly compassionate and informative Tom "G" Boon. http://www.hyperreal.org/music/artists/brian_eno/ selam, Joseph Buck ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Sat Jan 10 15:26:35 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 10 12:42:39 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xr7jp-0000P2-00; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:42:37 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD1DDC.6B322160@jbrainin@interactive.net> From: Jonathan Brainin To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: newENO Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:28:34 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4008 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OmKB5.A.HUH.hw9t0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2195 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:42:37 -0800 X-UIDL: f243c34e1ce215d2fe9f56a206e17c71 Status: O X-Status: It's called "The Drop" and like lots of Eno's ambient recordings you'll either love it or hate it. Jonathan Brainin jbrainin@interactive.net On Saturday, January 10, 1998 12:17 PM, Dan Chapman [SMTP:dchapman@seiniger.com] wrote: > Hi All, > > I just wanted to ask if anyone here has heard the new Eno cd (1997)? The > last one I bought was Nerve Net. It seems recent to me but it's dated > 1992. > > Just curious. > > Thanks > > Dan > > From ???@??? Sun Jan 11 02:01:56 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 10 23:17:53 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xrHea-0006sv-00; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:17:52 -0800 From: Salazzar2 Message-ID: <58d7094.34b870a4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 02:11:32 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Borders in Mays Landing Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"wPttS.A.FHG.uDHu0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2196 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:17:52 -0800 X-UIDL: d6be4bddd06a74e928cb1e24cd87efd2 Status: O X-Status: Greetings all.... Just a quick note to let all interested parties know that "Adelante" was incredible. Tonight was the first leg of the New Jersey shows and as far as I am concerned, Paul and Jodi will see my face at everyone(and probably get sick of me!). Unfortunately, I arrived late, but I was able to catch about an hour or so of the show. The guys were great and seemed to have been received very well at Borders. I can't wait to see them in a more ambient-music-friendly- atmosphere like the "Down to Earth Coffeehouse" on January 17th. If you are anywhere near the area, make it a point to check it out!!! Or if you are an hour and a half away, like I was tonight, consider it even more!!! It was well worth the drive!!! ...that's all folks.....happy looping.... Daniel From ???@??? Sun Jan 11 14:42:29 1998 >From kflint Sun Jan 11 05:53:06 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xrNp2-0002H2-00; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 05:53:04 -0800 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 08:48:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801111348.IAA27657@marconi.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Noisy Knobs Resent-Message-ID: <"tfxIZD.A.9wB.12Mu0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2197 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 05:53:04 -0800 X-UIDL: d6f6c04f042fd90d89a528cc35b41807 Status: O X-Status: >>Return-Path: >Errors-To: >From: lwordsman@pirnie.com >Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 16:31:31 -0500 >To: Loopers-delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Noisy Knobs >Resent-Message-ID: <"3IN44D.A.e-G.2O_s0"@ferret> >Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2165 >Resent-Sender: SmartList >Resent-To: hideo@concentric.net >Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:40:07 -0800 > > Hey Wordsman (my passion as well :) Don't know if anyone got back to you privately or not, but contact cleaner helps dissolve the accumulations of goo that develop in old volume control pots(variable resistor) and TV tuners--any electronic supply place has it It's generally freon or solvent based--you usually need to get at the guts of the pot--sometimes with older pots with exposed gutty-wuts, you can just pull the knob off, sometimes you need to pull the panel off-- Sometimes, you can work the noise out with JUST vigorous knob twiddling (AAAAOOOOOOHHHHHHH . . . KNOB TWIDDLING . . .) and no cleaner. . . No luck? DON'T get carried away with the contact cleaner--the stuff is bad for the environment and you and too much may create otherr problems. Spray a little, twiddle the knobs (AAAAOOOOOOHHHHHHH . . . KNOB TWIDDLING . . .) see if the noise works out If this technical stuff stuns you, might I suggest you take it to Radio Shack, which along with Auto ZOne,is the last bastion of charity service in the sordid world of chain store retail ( I regularly see Auto Zone employees in St. Louis, a city not known for kind deeds, installing windshield wiper blades GRATIS on peoples cars!) It's a crap shoot, but: Enter the store wearing kind of a helpless expression--try and find the fresh, young employee (not burned out yet)--if he is wearing a pocket protector or has tape on his glasses, even better--and patiently wait in the que wait a second, are you FEMALE . . . strategy is slightly different, but for right now, let's assume you are a guy Ask the clerk if they have this "switch cleaner stuff that you squirt in the amp to clean it"--wait for the horrified look and then after he or she comes up with the can, politely ask "so do you squirt it in these holes in the back or is there a lube fitting somewhere?" Unless he's a totally heartless bastard, help is on the way. Good luck and drone on~~~~~~Tom >Travis Hartnett Wrote: > >" I wanted to see if I could squirt some contact cleaner into the feedback pot (it makes a horrible loud burst of white noise if it's rotated in the lower 25% of its range. " > >My amp makes terrible noise when I turn the knobs and I was unaware of any product that could help reduce that noise. Please tell me more. > > > > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Sun Jan 11 14:42:30 1998 >From kflint Sun Jan 11 06:00:23 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xrNw6-00039E-00; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 06:00:22 -0800 From: PJBMHB Message-ID: <1e8fafc7.34b8cf54@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 08:55:31 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Noisy Knobs Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"gJhN5B.A.teC.B-Mu0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2198 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 06:00:22 -0800 X-UIDL: 4cd1379f0f99b1b474e86bf98bb0d8e0 Status: O X-Status: I don't think they sell Freon anymore. It is nasty stuff that pokes holes in the ozone. =-l PJ From ???@??? Sun Jan 11 14:42:32 1998 >From kflint Sun Jan 11 07:13:27 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xrP4o-0002SO-00; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 07:13:26 -0800 Message-ID: <34B8E34E.A8A2E16D@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:20:46 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Noisy Knobs References: <199801111348.IAA27657@marconi.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pMu5bB.A.AGC.xCOu0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2199 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 07:13:26 -0800 X-UIDL: a018fc95a463ed008665366df5ef474d Status: O X-Status: Hey friends, I was advised by an electician/musicion friend of mine,that radio shack tv tuner cleaner is not the way to go.Instead use an electrical grade cleaner,I got my can at the local auto parts store and it works wonderfuly.Looping in Ga.,Jeff Duke sr.You can check out my new web page at; http://members.tripod.com/~dukesr/index.html Tom Lambrecht wrote: > >>Return-Path: > >Errors-To: > >From: lwordsman@pirnie.com > >Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 16:31:31 -0500 > >To: Loopers-delight@annihilist.com > >Subject: Noisy Knobs > >Resent-Message-ID: <"3IN44D.A.e-G.2O_s0"@ferret> > >Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2165 > >Resent-Sender: SmartList > >Resent-To: hideo@concentric.net > >Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:40:07 -0800 > > > > > > Hey Wordsman (my passion as well :) > > Don't know if anyone got back to you privately or not, but contact cleaner > helps dissolve the accumulations of goo that develop in old volume control > pots(variable resistor) and TV tuners--any electronic supply place has it > > It's generally freon or solvent based--you usually need to get at the guts > of the pot--sometimes with older pots with exposed gutty-wuts, you can just > pull the knob off, sometimes you need to pull the panel off-- > > Sometimes, you can work the noise out with JUST vigorous knob twiddling > (AAAAOOOOOOHHHHHHH . . . KNOB TWIDDLING . . .) and no cleaner. . . No luck? > > DON'T get carried away with the contact cleaner--the stuff is bad for the > environment and you and too much may create otherr problems. Spray a little, > twiddle the knobs (AAAAOOOOOOHHHHHHH . . . KNOB TWIDDLING . . .) see if the > noise works out > > If this technical stuff stuns you, might I suggest you take it to Radio > Shack, which along with Auto ZOne,is the last bastion of charity service in > the sordid world of chain store retail ( I regularly see Auto Zone employees > in St. Louis, a city not known for kind deeds, installing windshield wiper > blades GRATIS on peoples cars!) It's a crap shoot, but: > > Enter the store wearing kind of a helpless expression--try and find the > fresh, young employee (not burned out yet)--if he is wearing a pocket > protector or has tape on his glasses, even better--and patiently wait in the que > > wait a second, are you FEMALE . . . strategy is slightly different, but for > right now, let's assume you are a guy > > Ask the clerk if they have this "switch cleaner stuff that you squirt in the > amp to clean it"--wait for the horrified look and then after he or she comes > up with the can, politely ask "so do you squirt it in these holes in the > back or is there a lube fitting somewhere?" > > Unless he's a totally heartless bastard, help is on the way. > > Good luck and drone on~~~~~~Tom > > >Travis Hartnett Wrote: > > > >" I wanted to see if I could squirt some contact cleaner into the feedback > pot (it makes a horrible loud burst of white noise if it's rotated in the > lower 25% of its range. " > > > >My amp makes terrible noise when I turn the knobs and I was unaware of any > product that could help reduce that noise. Please tell me more. > > > > > > > > > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Sun Jan 11 14:42:42 1998 >From kflint Sun Jan 11 12:07:34 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xrTfO-00023S-00; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:07:30 -0800 Message-ID: <34B92624.2B11@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:05:56 -0500 From: djdowling@earthlink.net Reply-To: djdowling@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Boston area loopers and such References: <199801090624.WAA01428@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LGTlxC.A.XcB.eSSu0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2200 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:07:30 -0800 X-UIDL: 55e7adc8f4f632217ec87339c5a92cce Status: O X-Status: Greetings, I'm an administrator and project developer at a new theatre in Somerville, MA: The Peabody House Theatre Cooperative. We are a non-profit professional company in the midst of our first season under this name and in this space (The Elizabeth Peabody House). The Pitch: we've had great success opening the theatre to other members of the artistic community (musicians, poets, visual artists) with open mic style evenings. Currently I'm developing a live music program where we will feature musical acts in the same grand style as our theatre acts. The idea being that "theatre" is not just "plays" but any performance event in a given space. Our black box theatre (formerly a Methodist chapel) is very flexible and has been of great interest to our musical guests. Because of my interest in loop-style music and developing a forum for acts that aren't always suited to the club format, I'm feeling out the Boston Loop scene for interested parties. Email me privately and I'll put you on MY LIST. As the program develops I'll update you. Cheers, Dave Dowling From ???@??? Sun Jan 11 14:42:43 1998 >From kflint Sun Jan 11 12:42:45 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xrUDP-0004Ss-00; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:42:39 -0800 From: Andre Cholmodeley Message-Id: <199801112037.PAA11768@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: <@monmouth.com> To: Subject: Re: Gravikords, Whirlies, & Pyrophones Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:37:23 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dEqoxD.A.MsD.B2Su0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2201 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:42:39 -0800 X-UIDL: 3e781be2664489eeb399cd1cdcdbe6c8 Status: O X-Status: There's a ": Gravikords, Whirlies, & Pyrophones:" show up-coming at the knitting factory check out their live feed - i just enjoyed a few minutes of a 'virtual show' last nite - great sound, tiny , but clear picture pretty much every show is live, so those of you halfway @ the globe can see some "bizarre" instruments live!! the live feed and schedule are at http://www.knittingfactory.com peace thru music andre' From ???@??? Sun Jan 11 14:42:44 1998 >From kflint Sun Jan 11 12:46:19 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xrUGu-0004qG-00; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:46:16 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: <5cb69d14.34b92dce@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:38:37 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Question about Looping CD/tape contributions Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"XJYvgB.A.mEE.A6Su0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2202 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:46:16 -0800 X-UIDL: 29ad58b021c00b59e6bb0458b1c4deb3 Status: O X-Status: The LoOpDoctOrs have other looping friends that would like to contribute to any of the ongoing LoopersDelight cd or cassette projects. Does an artist have to be on the LoopersDelight mailing list in order to contribute to one of these projects? If not, whom should they contact and how. Best, the LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Sun Jan 11 21:09:01 1998 >From kflint Sun Jan 11 18:31:34 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xrZf1-0002bB-00; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:31:31 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980111202733.006acad4@txdirect.net> X-Sender: zom@txdirect.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:27:33 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: ZOM Subject: newbie says hello..... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"YRXU0C.A.17B.27Xu0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2203 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:31:31 -0800 X-UIDL: ab5ce960a250077631941ce527168423 Status: O X-Status: Hello, all.... I have many Real Audio files of my own loop projects up at the URL below.....anyone else out there have Real Audio stuff online I can check out?? Thanks! Real Audio Zombie Project Music! Paisley Babylon, more coming.... http://www.txdirect.net/users/zom From ???@??? Mon Jan 12 09:29:13 1998 >From kflint Sun Jan 11 21:21:16 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xrcJ7-00065y-00; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:21:05 -0800 From: ANET Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 00:08:59 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Question about Looping CD/tape contributions Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"-gVtSC.A.GOF.Sbau0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2204 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:21:05 -0800 X-UIDL: 4cbcc8a44c86af3ceb828be93b0035bc Status: O X-Status: I don't think they need to be Looper Delight members in that there are none. Just those of us that subscribe to the mailing lists. If you would like to submit your work on tape, then you would want to contribute to the third CD project and send the tape to me. John Peters 15 9th Ave. NW Kasson, Minnesota. 55944 Thanks! From ???@??? Mon Jan 12 09:29:15 1998 >From kflint Sun Jan 11 21:23:13 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xrcL5-0006Gs-00; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:23:07 -0800 From: ANET Message-ID: <513591c9.34b9a728@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 00:16:23 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: newbie says hello..... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"BlW-OD.A.SaF.vdau0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2205 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:23:07 -0800 X-UIDL: b009a99e2278d1bf9ca23b56040a69cd Status: O X-Status: You mentioned you have a lot of real audio samples at your site, Would you mind telling us how to place real audio samples onto a webpage? I think the streaming stuff is better than the rest of the audio players. Thanks!!!! John Peters From ???@??? Mon Jan 12 09:30:13 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 12 07:43:21 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xrm1H-00063b-00; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:43:19 -0800 Message-Id: <199801121532.HAA07736@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: Question about Looping CD/tape contributions Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:34:04 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MKkPf.A.RvE.jdju0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2206 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:43:19 -0800 X-UIDL: ccea5b6467dca450bca5c9b383942e37 Status: O X-Status: > From: Fmplautus > The LoOpDoctOrs have other looping friends that would like to contribute to > any of the ongoing LoopersDelight cd or cassette projects. Does an artist > have to be on the LoopersDelight mailing list in order to contribute to one of > these projects? If not, whom should they contact and how. Well.....the Looper CD volume 2 (or whatever it's called) is closed for submissions....unless you or your friends have emailed me privately in the last month. There is hope!! ANET@aol.com is taking submissions for volume 3 (tape based submissions). This is all so confusing since volume 1 is sitting in a paper bag in someones closet....somewhere. Matt From ???@??? Mon Jan 12 11:15:38 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 12 09:31:44 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xrni3-0007Vf-00; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:31:35 -0800 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:19:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801121719.MAA28317@mcfeely.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Freon and protuberant cacaphony Resent-Message-ID: <"q2UJ7.A.o8F.hClu0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2207 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:31:35 -0800 X-UIDL: 623859db7b419ce5eb677993501875ae Status: O X-Status: At 08:55 AM 1/11/98 EST, you wrote: >I don't think they sell Freon anymore. It is nasty stuff that pokes holes in >the ozone. =-l PJ > > > 'Tis one of the reasons that you wear SPF 45 in Australia . . . re: selling hte stuff: true for air conditioners and fridges (at least consumers can't get it), and I'm not sure where they are on phasing it out, but I think they still use various pure forms of it in teeny bottles for cleaning contacts and tape heads. >Hey friends, >I was advised by an electician/musicion friend of mine,that radio shack tv tuner >cleaner is not the way to go.Instead use an electrical grade cleaner,I got my can at >the local auto parts store >and it works wonderfuly.Looping in Ga.,Jeff Duke sr.You can check out my new web >page at; http://members.tripod.com/~dukesr/index.html I would never get "tuner cleaner" either just cuz' it seems like it is contact cleaner in a different can I'd be inclined to get my contact cleaner in a (presumably) purer form at an electronics place--but then again, with all the chips and gold contacts in today's cars, there probably isn't any diff (and I'm sure it's cheaper) drone on Tom "Membrane switches . . . why did it have to be MEMBRANE SWITCHES? . . ." Indiana Jones Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Mon Jan 12 11:15:48 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 12 10:05:11 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xroES-0002qQ-00; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:05:04 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: <63fdba74.34ba56e0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:46:06 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Question about Looping CD/tape contributions Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"L2cHUB.A.FVB._flu0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2208 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:05:04 -0800 X-UIDL: 4837b9a7fb7d84901fd7a9c56ba3d5f6 Status: O X-Status: Hi Matt: You mean volume one is in like some paper bag in a closet aging and developing a richer flavor...like cheeze or wine? Incidentally, since the LoOpDoctOrs are supposed to be on volume one, remind us again of the time limits on our contribution and deadline date for submission, if you please. Our keyboardist is supposed to come in here and do something in the mac tonite and we don't want to wear out his fingers unnecessarily. ;) Wasn't the limit supposed to be six minutes per contributor for the CD? Best, The LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Mon Jan 12 20:59:51 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 12 14:21:28 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xrsET-0006J1-00; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:21:21 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19980112102808.2e673388@texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@texas.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (16) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:28:08 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: simm upgrade/ CD recorders In-Reply-To: <63fdba74.34ba56e0@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"VPwPaD.A.Z8E.YUpu0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2213 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:21:21 -0800 X-UIDL: 137d4131789eaf3adf4af2483f9dc50c Status: O X-Status: hi you looping addicts:: just a little update to those interested... maxed out the echoplex today ,,,paid $15.71 a piece for 30 pin simms,,,works great also discovered a source for 1 megs for $2.00 each (US)...pretty reasonable... also ordered a stand-alone audio CDRW,,,a phillips 870....look forward to recording live gigs to CD...should be in next week... can provide simm info to anyone interested... later loopers james From ???@??? Mon Jan 12 21:00:01 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 12 17:17:50 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xruzE-0003bm-00; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:17:48 -0800 Message-Id: <199801130053.QAA06366@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Re: Ibanez DM-1100...and my Crafty years Date: Mon, 12 Jan 98 18:53:44 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"D83fYB.A.DhC.W7ru0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2217 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:17:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 75b5f1988ccad8e39e07ee78aa403850 Status: O X-Status: >about 5 years ago i was playing with one of the original Crafty >Guitarists..John Miley,,, when i lived in Athens, GA,,,i recall his looping >efforts involved an Ibanez DM-1100 rack mount delay,,,i think it had about >4 seconds,,,but i seem to remember you could change the tempo etc...anyone >ever use one of these,,,do you still,,,if so,,please let me know what your >impressions of this unit were/are..... I had one of those, sold it, and regret it. It was a 3.6 sec delay, with the usual controls. The cool thing was the treble cut/boost knob which allowed you to alter the high-frequency content of the delay line--great for those old tape-echo effects. I haven't seen one since I bought mine used around '88. Travis hartnett From ???@??? Mon Jan 12 11:15:54 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 12 11:11:53 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xrpGx-0002HL-00; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:11:43 -0800 From: Emmanuel Angel Message-Id: <199801121901.OAA03695@dolphin.upenn.edu> Subject: Vortex for Sale To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:01:47 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lnBe-.A.mHB.limu0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2209 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:11:43 -0800 X-UIDL: 8055bc679bf57b52d946fc0db1121c12 Status: O X-Status: For sale: 1 Lexicon Vortex Condition: New in Factory Box --- Never Used! Warranty: Registration card in box Asking Price: $265.00 Contact: angel2@dolphin.upenn.edu As many of you know, this amazing processor sounds incredibly warm, with a host of delay, modulation, and other effects. Highly programmable, with the ability to morph between sounds. Stereo in's and out's. Input for pedal control of audio morphing. Standard rack mount. E. Angel From ???@??? Mon Jan 12 21:00:14 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 12 20:12:33 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xrxiE-0006BG-00; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:12:26 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:29:49 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: CD recorders Resent-Message-ID: <"2YFa-B.A.g-E.Jguu0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2221 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:12:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 7315bceb4583026802b5b57f9719962f Status: O X-Status: >for any of those list members interested: > >http://www.srtl.co.uk/srtl/cdr870.html will provide info on this CDRW > >US funds $600.00 for philips pioneer puts out one for about $800.00 US > > Hey Jim, Let us know what you think of it, after you have worked with it a bit. Thanks in advance. PAtrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Mon Jan 12 20:59:48 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 12 13:55:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xrrou-0003aB-00; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:54:56 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:32:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Scott R. Archambault" Subject: Lexicon MPX-1 Update Resent-Message-ID: <"LnQZ9B.A.WUC.F7ou0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2212 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:54:56 -0800 X-UIDL: 834031ebaf59ef0ca2c0ab0c72979b32 Status: O X-Status: Here is a brief recap of an e-mail discussion I had with Lexicon regarding lengthening the delay time of the MPX-1... Are there any plans to increase (via software or simm-chip upgrade) the delay time of the MPX-1? Two seconds are simply not enough for real, Fripp-like looping... ------------------------------------------------- Scott, There is no memory upgrade path for the MPX-1. It is our policy here not to comment on features or products that have not been released to the public. Product introductions often coincide with major trade shows - the next such show is NAMM in LA (Jan 29 - Feb 1). Steve De Furia Director of Product Management Professional Products Lexicon 3 Oak Park/Bedford MA 01730-1441/USA Voice (781) 280-0340/FAX (781) 280-0490/email sdefuria@lexicon.com From ???@??? Mon Jan 12 20:59:58 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 12 16:43:57 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xruSR-0007eg-00; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:43:55 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19980112123743.30073a48@texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@texas.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (16) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:37:43 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: SIMM source -$15.71(US) In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.16.19980112102808.2e673388@texas.net> References: <63fdba74.34ba56e0@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"mS6Oz.A.p6E.ROru0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2215 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:43:55 -0800 X-UIDL: acc2b33cc58f1cf5f4c77270b363d607 Status: O X-Status: hi the memory upgrade works just fine... 4MB 30 PIN X3 60ns SIMM came from Electrotex here in San Antonio 210-735-9271 hope this helps ....they do ship UPS...give um a call later you slaves of de loopage james From ???@??? Mon Jan 12 20:59:59 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 12 16:53:19 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xrubB-0000oo-00; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:52:57 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19980112124929.300796d2@texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@texas.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (16) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:49:29 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: Ibanez DM-1100...and my Crafty years In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.16.19980112102808.2e673388@texas.net> References: <63fdba74.34ba56e0@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"HT2ehC.A.HZG.vbru0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2216 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:52:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 3c64f4388a22ad512b33acafda8179ca Status: O X-Status: hi about 5 years ago i was playing with one of the original Crafty Guitarists..John Miley,,, when i lived in Athens, GA,,,i recall his looping efforts involved an Ibanez DM-1100 rack mount delay,,,i think it had about 4 seconds,,,but i seem to remember you could change the tempo etc...anyone ever use one of these,,,do you still,,,if so,,please let me know what your impressions of this unit were/are..... thanks james From ???@??? Mon Jan 12 20:59:43 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 12 13:28:09 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xrrOk-0000jU-00; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:27:54 -0800 Message-ID: <34BA8AAD.F120E219@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:27:09 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Freon and protuberant cacaphony References: <199801121719.MAA28317@mcfeely.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qvsEuC.A.c2G.vgou0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2210 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:27:54 -0800 X-UIDL: bb881c035f9af1bbb02d725fb01ff389 Status: O X-Status: Follow up;The contac cleaner I'm talking about contains no cfc's,instead it's "powered" by carbon dioxide as the propellent.Of course it's still poison if you breath or swallow it. Jeff Tom Lambrecht wrote: > At 08:55 AM 1/11/98 EST, you wrote: > >I don't think they sell Freon anymore. It is nasty stuff that pokes holes in > >the ozone. =-l PJ > > > > > > > 'Tis one of the reasons that you wear SPF 45 in Australia . . . > > re: selling hte stuff: true for air conditioners and fridges (at least > consumers can't get it), and I'm not sure where they are on phasing it out, > but I think they still use various pure forms of it in teeny bottles for > cleaning contacts and tape heads. > > >Hey friends, > >I was advised by an electician/musicion friend of mine,that radio shack tv > tuner > >cleaner is not the way to go.Instead use an electrical grade cleaner,I got > my can at > >the local auto parts store > >and it works wonderfuly.Looping in Ga.,Jeff Duke sr.You can check out my > new web > >page at; http://members.tripod.com/~dukesr/index.html > > I would never get "tuner cleaner" either just cuz' it seems like it is > contact cleaner in a different can > > I'd be inclined to get my contact cleaner in a (presumably) purer form at an > electronics place--but then again, with all the chips and gold contacts in > today's cars, there probably isn't any diff (and I'm sure it's cheaper) > > drone on Tom > > "Membrane switches . . . why did it have to be MEMBRANE SWITCHES? . . ." > Indiana Jones > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Mon Jan 12 20:59:48 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 12 13:49:53 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xrrjn-00030Y-00; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:49:39 -0800 Message-ID: <34BA9025.24B90C00@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:50:29 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: newbie says hello..... References: <513591c9.34b9a728@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"j2yhe.A.MyB.I2ou0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2211 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:49:39 -0800 X-UIDL: 711234bdf7369f59d2c01eaba9219b53 Status: O X-Status: I would be glad to pass on my newly learned info on real audio.It's easy to make them and put them on a web site.If your interested,you can email me at; jmar@bellsouth.net,and check out my new website TecBabLabs at;http://members.tripod.com/~dukesr/index.html Jeff Duke sr. ANET wrote: > You mentioned you have a lot of real audio samples at your site, Would you > mind telling us how to place real audio samples onto a webpage? I think the > streaming stuff is better than the rest of the audio players. > > Thanks!!!! > John Peters From ???@??? Mon Jan 12 20:59:57 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 12 16:18:51 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xru44-0004si-00; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:18:44 -0800 Message-ID: <34BAA6C2.BDE3FEA0@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:26:59 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: newbie says hello..... References: <513591c9.34b9a728@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"80ot0B.A.rQD.5Aru0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2214 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:18:44 -0800 X-UIDL: 28363694c5013fda1260d781091c6f71 Status: O X-Status: Another follow up,The free Real audio encoder is at;http://www.real.com/encoder/index.html it's kind of hard to find the free stuff for some reason!Jeff Duke sr. ANET wrote: > You mentioned you have a lot of real audio samples at your site, Would you > mind telling us how to place real audio samples onto a webpage? I think the > streaming stuff is better than the rest of the audio players. > > Thanks!!!! > John Peters From ???@??? Mon Jan 12 21:00:12 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 12 19:46:58 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xrxJY-0003GD-00; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:46:56 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19980112155557.2e1f5be0@texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@texas.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (16) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:55:57 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: CD recorders In-Reply-To: <1dd7842f.34bad36a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"FnuiwC.A.dXC.zHuu0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2220 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:46:56 -0800 X-UIDL: a9777e055d1d5d8081f6b77d80903cfa Status: O X-Status: for any of those list members interested: http://www.srtl.co.uk/srtl/cdr870.html will provide info on this CDRW US funds $600.00 for philips pioneer puts out one for about $800.00 US At 09:37 PM 1/12/98 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-01-12 17:17:49 EST, you write: ><< also ordered a stand-alone audio CDRW,,,a phillips 870....look forward to > recording live gigs to CD...should be in next week... >> > >Im interested in purchsing a CDR recorder.Does the phillips 870 or all CDR >recorders have rca ins or other?How much does the 870 cost?Is the 870 the way >to go? >Any infomation you guys can give me would be greatly appeciated. > > > From ???@??? Mon Jan 12 21:00:04 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 12 17:56:29 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xrvaR-00006x-00; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:56:15 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199801130146.RAA24820@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Ground Zero - Consume Red To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:46:36 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Y7REl.A.ebG.Lesu0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2218 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:56:15 -0800 X-UIDL: f5e609630527927ac7defdbf95619804 Status: O X-Status: I just picked up the CD _Consume Red_ by Ground Zero. Ground Zero is a group led by turntable man/guitarist Otomo Yoshihide. Consume Red consists of a single track which lasts about 55 minutes. The sound of a Korean wind instrument playing a specific melody is repeated almost constantly (a loop, I guess) while other sounds are layered on and the live musicians join in. I guess some might consider this CD an exercise in patience, but I found it to have almost a meditative quality (then again, I can sit through Steve Reich pieces too with no problem). This may be the first in a series of posts about all the new CDs I picked up that might be relevant to this ML. I went on a buying binge thanks to Tower Record's CD clearance sale and my somewhat quarterly sojourn to Lou's Records, a store located about 20 min. drive away from my apartment which consistently carries the greatest variety of music in the San Diego area. They just added a New Music section, which makes it much easier for me to find stuff by Keiji Haino and other weirdos. :) Cheers, Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Mon Jan 12 21:00:11 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 12 18:49:49 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xrwQ7-0005Xh-00; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:49:39 -0800 From: ENAT21213 Message-ID: <1dd7842f.34bad36a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:37:29 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: simm upgrade/ CD recorders Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"0UeQGD.A.ShE.rStu0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2219 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:49:39 -0800 X-UIDL: faf86f303af63f4ac69716331ff7430c Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 98-01-12 17:17:49 EST, you write: << also ordered a stand-alone audio CDRW,,,a phillips 870....look forward to recording live gigs to CD...should be in next week... >> Im interested in purchsing a CDR recorder.Does the phillips 870 or all CDR recorders have rca ins or other?How much does the 870 cost?Is the 870 the way to go? Any infomation you guys can give me would be greatly appeciated. From ???@??? Tue Jan 13 10:40:46 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 13 03:02:44 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xs47F-0001xH-00; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 03:02:41 -0800 Message-ID: <34BAD856.2DFB@fredmarshall.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 02:58:53 +0000 From: Fred Marshall Reply-To: fred@fredmarshall.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: CATCH IT WITH WHAT YOU'VE GOT NOW References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uroAbC.A.PeB.oh0u0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2225 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 03:02:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 22b168ca27c173d4471e624b4b8b9573 Status: O X-Status: Kim Flint wrote: > BTW, I read the specs on that philips CD-RW jobbie, damn that looks cool! > Who needs DAT anymore? > > kim +++++++++++++++ - i stumbled onto this while seeking more info on the 870 . . . - btw, the union just called to say that i have re-use fees coming from a new Nissan commercial that uses music that i recorded w/ Vince Guaraldi (Linus & Lucy) on a THREE TRACK . . . Ampex . . .(state of the art at that time, the 4th track was the "sync"). - the vinyl sounds WAY better than the cd or the tv . . . - just do it . . . catch it if you can +++++++++++++++ Message-Id: <3273E6D3.5799@netrover.com> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 17:48:53 -0500 From: George Kotsopoulos To: logic-users@mcc.ac.uk Subject: Re: Re-writable CDR (CDRW) Rich wrote: > The buzz in Austin is that CDRW will be out next year around this time > at the $800 price point. Prices are expected to rapidly drop as they > catch on. This probably means CDR will be blown out. I'm also > speculating that CDR may never benefit from mass production as most > non-musician users may wait for CDRW. > > -- > ~~~RICH~~~~ I wonder what will happen when DVD-ROM and later DVD-Rewriteable comes out soon after CDRW? With a capacity of over 14GB for a dual-density DVD, I think that CD-ROM, CDR and CDRW days are already numbered. DVD-ROM players should be premiering this Winter with DVD-Rewritable coming out in late '97/early '98. Don't you just love technology? George K. Polaris Post Production... ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon Jan 12 21:00:16 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 12 20:35:49 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xry4o-0000vw-00; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:35:46 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980112222929.006bb588@txdirect.net> X-Sender: zom@txdirect.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:29:29 -0600 To: jmar@bellsouth.net From: ZOM Subject: real Audio Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com In-Reply-To: <34BA9025.24B90C00@bellsouth.net> References: <513591c9.34b9a728@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"YHGC4D.A.EH.C1uu0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2222 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:35:46 -0800 X-UIDL: 79e8e21458c991e5d97760552f28b789 Status: O X-Status: I am using Real Publisher, which, if you can find it, is AMAZING. The compression, for one, is MUCH better than ever. I dunno if that is because of updated version, or if for some reason they saved the "good one" for this product....anyway, it also creates an html code for the file once it's finished encoding....it's a true 90's invention, much like the Web Page authoring software selling for 80 bux a pop....... :-) yes, i love it, minimal html writing, loads of streaming.....nice small file sizes. Also, I've added a new one to my music page.... Real Audio Zombie Project Music! Paisley Babylon, more coming.... http://www.txdirect.net/users/zom From ???@??? Mon Jan 12 23:09:04 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 12 21:11:25 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xrydD-0004S1-00; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:11:19 -0800 From: Marzzz Message-ID: <63ff567d.34baf403@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:56:35 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: simm upgrade/ CD recorders Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"wxJjZD.A.3XD.UWvu0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2223 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:11:19 -0800 X-UIDL: a51a0ccbb6f0944ddc895bff57cb3932 Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 1/12/98 4:19:50 PM, sharkey wrote: >maxed out the echoplex today ,,,paid $15.71 a piece for 30 pin >simms,,,works great Exactly what type of SIMMS are needed to max out an Echoplex? What do I ask for when ordering? I use The Chip Merchant when I buy Simms..... Thanks btw- just got back from a Fripp Soundscape concert at The Park West in Chicago......whew!!!!! From ???@??? Tue Jan 13 10:41:10 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 13 06:43:57 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xs7ZJ-00023n-00; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 06:43:53 -0800 Message-ID: <34BB0C35.24FF@fredmarshall.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 06:40:25 +0000 From: Fred Marshall Reply-To: fred@fredmarshall.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: N.A.M.M show References: <3.0.5.32.19971211083418.007bcb70@popmail.voicenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"q1ajlB.A.fdB.Rx3u0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2227 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 06:43:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 0ec82a8f494f6e92779f9877f0dd85c1 Status: O X-Status: Kim Flint wrote: > > NAMM is not open the public, actually. (Frankfurt musik messe is on two > days, and boy does it suck.) You have to "work" for a company in the music > industry that belongs to NAMM (national association of music merchants). A > lot of people seem to miraculously find employment in the music industry in > late january and appear at the show. Its sort of a see and be seen deal for > some - there's usually lots of hair spray, spandex, silicone, and has-been > rock stars walking about. (there must some neighborhood in LA that refuses > to leave the 80's.) For the serious gearhead, NAMM is a giant toy store > where you get to try all the toys before the other kids. Oh, and some poor > souls actually have to work during all that noise and insanity..... > > kim +++++++++ - and some poor souls actually BUY those shiny prototypes that are held together with chewing gum and fear . . . From ???@??? Tue Jan 13 00:42:48 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 12 23:26:46 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xs0kH-0006k9-00; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:26:45 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <63ff567d.34baf403@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:23:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: simm upgrade/ CD recorders Resent-Message-ID: <"YdrT3.A.bCG.RZxu0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2224 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:26:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 834e65c5594a61181b428188e1559842 Status: O X-Status: You want four, 4MB, 30 pin simms, any speed, any sort of chip configuration. That will get you to the 198sec maximum. BTW, I read the specs on that philips CD-RW jobbie, damn that looks cool! Who needs DAT anymore? kim At 11:56 PM -0500 1/12/98, Marzzz wrote: >In a message dated 1/12/98 4:19:50 PM, sharkey wrote: > >>maxed out the echoplex today ,,,paid $15.71 a piece for 30 pin >>simms,,,works great > >Exactly what type of SIMMS are needed to max out an Echoplex? What do I ask >for when ordering? I use The Chip Merchant when I buy Simms..... > >Thanks > > >btw- just got back from a Fripp Soundscape concert at The Park West in >Chicago......whew!!!!! ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Jan 13 10:41:08 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 13 06:29:37 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xs6zW-0001pq-00; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 06:06:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Clean 'Dem Pots Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 06:57:05 CST From: "Todd Madson" Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: crash@waste.org X-Mailer: BeMail [version 2.0] Message-Id: <98Jan13.075732-0600_cst.75638-357+3355@waste.org> Resent-Message-ID: <"JyRhyB.A.CIB.wP3u0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2226 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 06:06:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 8ab149203868b5c8eee878cba66666be Status: O X-Status: Chemtronics (800-645-5244) sells items called CHEMPADS (lint free, electronics grade alcohol pads) for cleaning electronic equipment. They also sell items called CHEMSWABS as well (kind of like a modern foam cleaning swab that lets you clean potentiometers and other areas). This might work better than an ozone killing type of cleaning fluid for cleaning your LOOPAGE tools. -Todd (yes, I'm still here...) From ???@??? Tue Jan 13 21:40:58 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 13 11:37:58 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsC9k-0006Zh-00; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:37:48 -0800 Message-Id: <98Jan13.132644cst.26882@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:28:33 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Season of the Switch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"QcQrdC.A.iTF.uB8u0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2229 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:37:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 8ff10275c22b99b8f51d6a1a8cddbdc8 Status: O X-Status: EDP fans- The footswitches are finally shipping this week. Sorry for the delay! Tom From ???@??? Tue Jan 13 11:37:45 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 13 11:23:05 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsBvI-000526-00; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:22:52 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.16.19980112102808.2e673388@texas.net> References: <63fdba74.34ba56e0@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:10:18 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, mjpassos@rio.com.br From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Thinking about SIMM prices and other values... Resent-Message-ID: <"tdrRfB.A.CpD.mx7u0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2228 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:22:52 -0800 X-UIDL: 65dd03a4797dc1237ba265ec6fc3d4b9 Status: O X-Status: >maxed out the echoplex today ,,,paid $15.71 a piece for 30 pin >also discovered a source for 1 megs for $2.00 each (US)...pretty reasonable... you know, of course I am extrememly happy with those falling prices. But sometimes I stop and think: Where are we going? Will one day an egg be more expensiv than a computer? Is that closer to the real value, maybe? After all, there are still a lot more cells in an egg than the lousy 32 million of a 4M SIMM. We build our music in those 4 or 30$ of memory and they are the working bench for so many people in all categoies (I put 8 bits on them, each time I type n o w) Does that say anything about the value of my writing or our music? So is it possible that in a few millions of cells there lives something more valuable than an egg is? And how about a brain? In turn we bring "life" into those clumsy SIMM cells :-) All we consider important and beautifull and all we know about history - from facts to feelings to dreams - is saved as a bunch of bits on some CD or CDROM, and those might exist much longer than mankind. May they serve a future civilization? So what we really do is to document this civilization into its final phase as long as we can? ... and then the aliens come and get the CDs and watch them to have a laugh before bedtime :-). Or they are on the net and laugh about me now :-). So there is a slight chance that our music might contributing a tiny bit to a new birth of something - like the oversized brain and the overcoming of the "natural" fear of fire contributed to the creation of mankind? How soon computers will be able to reprocriate as long as we feed some machines with raw materials? (thats where the egg is still much smarter, so far) Sorry for the distracton. From ???@??? Tue Jan 13 21:41:06 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 13 13:09:55 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsDam-00078O-00; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:09:48 -0800 Message-ID: <007001bd2065$93945700$5323dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: simm upgrade/ CD recorders Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:55:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"GDN_b.A.grF.AX9u0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2231 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:09:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 5ffadf46b0c79905b10b148c8259e215 Status: O X-Status: Matthias Grob intoned: >>BTW, I read the specs on that philips CD-RW jobbie, damn that looks cool! >>Who needs DAT anymore? > >I use mine to record what I do on stage :-) > >Those RW media are a lot more expensive and the machines about doubble, >too. So calculate how many CDRs you record that are not worth saving and >how many CDRs you can trash until its worth working with CD-RW... I concur! I think a fast hard drive with a lot of free space works just fine for immediate recording, and CDRW would be fine if it weren't so expensive. What does anyone have against 'regular old' CDR? :) It would seem that the media cost (or costs incurred by the media, like perhaps speed/capacity) is still the issue. Stephen Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Productions * Get the Loop Of The Week Free! From ???@??? Tue Jan 13 21:41:19 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 13 14:13:29 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsEaJ-0006NX-00; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:13:23 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980113213814.009b57d4@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:38:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: CD recorders Resent-Message-ID: <"Uvw-sD.A.v6E._R-u0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2232 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:13:23 -0800 X-UIDL: 3509d5bc19c9ced36067dbc79d31fec5 Status: O X-Status: uh, did you guys somehow miss the point that this particular Philips box records directly to both CD-R and CD-RW? With both digital and analog audio I/O? And only costs $600? CD-RW media is expensive now because it is new, same as CD-R disks were three years ago. So you could use the cheap CD-R now and switch over whenever the price and extra convenience of CD-RW makes you feel happy. For me, as someone beginning to contemplate a serious home studio, I had been wondering when abouts I should seriously consider getting a DAT deck for master mix downs, live recordings, etc. I would much rather get something that can go directly to CD. With that I can easily listen to it in the car, in the boom box at the park, in the stereo, at a friend's house, etc, none of which I can do with DAT or hard disk. I can store it in a shoebox in the garage and not worry about tape oxidation. I can pop it in the computer and pull up the data directly and easily. Why would I ever consider DAT now? And one of these years, if we are very lucky, all of the warring factions of DVD will come to some agreement about which re-writeable DVD-RAM format to use, and how to encode musical recordings for DVD disks, and how to deal with all the piracy/encryption issues, and that will be a great standard....don't hold your breath though..... kim At 12:55 PM 1/13/98 -0800, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: >Matthias Grob intoned: > > >>>BTW, I read the specs on that philips CD-RW jobbie, damn that looks cool! >>>Who needs DAT anymore? >> >>I use mine to record what I do on stage :-) >> >>Those RW media are a lot more expensive and the machines about doubble, >>too. So calculate how many CDRs you record that are not worth saving and >>how many CDRs you can trash until its worth working with CD-RW... > > >I concur! I think a fast hard drive with a lot of free space works just >fine for immediate recording, and CDRW would be fine if it weren't so >expensive. What does anyone have against 'regular old' CDR? :) It would >seem that the media cost (or costs incurred by the media, like perhaps >speed/capacity) is still the issue. > >Stephen Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios >EarthLight Productions * Get the Loop Of The Week Free! > > > > _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue Jan 13 21:41:05 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 13 12:54:40 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsDLt-0005Ul-00; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:54:25 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <63ff567d.34baf403@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:47:06 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: simm upgrade/ CD recorders Resent-Message-ID: <"LdyLgC.A.hLE.6G9u0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2230 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:54:25 -0800 X-UIDL: 791cc5bdbaad3499a4daa0c6d3f90720 Status: O X-Status: >BTW, I read the specs on that philips CD-RW jobbie, damn that looks cool! >Who needs DAT anymore? I use mine to record what I do on stage :-) Those RW media are a lot more expensive and the machines about doubble, too. So calculate how many CDRs you record that are not worth saving and how many CDRs you can trash until its worth working with CD-RW... Matthias From ???@??? Tue Jan 13 21:41:25 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 13 14:39:18 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsEzI-0001LS-00; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:39:12 -0800 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:52:12 -0800 (PST) From: Neal X-Sender: ntrembat@apocalypse To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Season of the Switch In-Reply-To: <98Jan13.132644cst.26882@gateway.gibson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"L_U_MD.A.oT.Nr-u0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2233 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:39:12 -0800 X-UIDL: 5214a9d1c8993452e49913b6d945ad52 Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Tom Spaulding wrote: > EDP fans- > > The footswitches are finally shipping this week. Sorry for the delay! It's the delay we want, just not the waiting. N From ???@??? Tue Jan 13 21:41:31 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 13 15:01:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsFKD-0003fn-00; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:00:49 -0800 Message-Id: <98Jan13.164811cst.26887@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:50:01 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Re: Season of the Switch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"aQGeAB.A.kQC.c9-u0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2234 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:00:50 -0800 X-UIDL: 99067e9bce3d3552eec9db1736e664cb Status: O X-Status: I laughed, really I did...! Tom At 03:52 PM 1/13/98 -0600, you wrote: >On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Tom Spaulding wrote: > >> EDP fans- >> >> The footswitches are finally shipping this week. Sorry for the delay! > >It's the delay we want, just not the waiting. > >N > > > > From ???@??? Tue Jan 13 21:41:32 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 13 15:30:52 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsFnF-0006yF-00; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:30:49 -0800 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:18:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801132318.SAA12751@shell.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: Ground Zero - Consume Red Resent-Message-ID: <"1wjMPD.A.8SF.iZ_u0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2235 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:30:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 10d2dd1323fcd398f6cf3650304275c0 Status: O X-Status: ....>I guess some might consider this CD an exercise in patience, but I found >it to have almost a meditative quality (then again, I can sit through >Steve Reich pieces too with no problem). > see, i never got the "repititious" tag stuck on Reich, i think his stuff is really dynamic, with tons of harmonic changes, especially as you go thru the years - Glass, however, who i also like alot, can be really repit. - which is the point, i guess, meditative/trancey. Saw Scott Johnson last nite, anyone familiar?? he was at the knitting factory, he hasn't really played in 10 years, he's a great guitarist/composer - he had a cellist, violin and piano/synth player, he was on guitar , lus some DAT vocal samples and drum machine sequences were going... excellent show. he did that "john somebody" piece from thye mid 80s too!! ac > > From ???@??? Tue Jan 13 21:41:40 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 13 16:06:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsGLV-0002xS-00; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:06:13 -0800 From: PJBMHB Message-ID: <323e36f.34bbf97a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:32:08 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ground Zero - Consume Red Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"EBe78B.A.tgB.K6_u0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2236 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:06:13 -0800 X-UIDL: 58e660e1e49f3b7ec7ef4d52f037cef5 Status: O X-Status: wow...i remember scott johnson. cool! pj =-) From ???@??? Tue Jan 13 21:41:59 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 13 21:25:07 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsLK0-0005Ql-00; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:25:00 -0800 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:21:52 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: marathon@pop3.joshuanet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Looper's Delight" From: Marathon Records/Finley Sound Design Resent-Message-ID: <"5W4QL.A.WKE.WoEv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2242 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:25:00 -0800 X-UIDL: daf81e7b00df1165a9b5dcc8b6517042 Status: O X-Status: qual@e-z.net _______________________________ Matt McCabe Finley Sound Design Marathon Records http://www.joshuanet.com/marathon/ From ???@??? Tue Jan 13 21:41:56 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 13 20:42:38 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsKew-00015o-00; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:42:34 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980114003439.00694938@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: gls@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:34:39 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Grover Sheffield Subject: Re: Season of the Switch Resent-Message-ID: <"rhGME.A.vJ.pAEv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2240 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:42:34 -0800 X-UIDL: d5b450f0ce0e5f85aea6b0d9aa0ca643 Status: O X-Status: At 01:28 PM 1/13/98 -0600, you wrote: >EDP fans- > >The footswitches are finally shipping this week. Sorry for the delay! > >Tom > Tom: Season of the Switch?- thanks for the Donovan memory and the laugh! Also, thanks for getting the footswitches on the way. I'll call Ric at Banana's tommorow! > > > From ???@??? Tue Jan 13 21:41:49 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 13 18:36:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsIhE-0003Ws-00; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:36:48 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199801140053.QAA01636@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Elliot Sharp - Figure Ground To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:53:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199801130146.RAA24820@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> from "Paolo Valladolid" at Jan 12, 98 05:46:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wpvJnD.A.iQC.fJCv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2237 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:36:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 3530b0d3b2774ac48e37599fcb4b1cca Status: O X-Status: This CD is a collection of music composed and performed by Sharp for four films. The label describes the music as being as eccentric as the films for which it was written and I'd have to agree. :) Sharp uses just about all the instruments with which he has been associated: guitars, some of which are self-designed; saxophones, computers, samplers, synths, probably the Buchla Thunder (a MIDI controller designed to be played by one hand), other self-designed instrments, etc. There's looping in various places, but to be honest the most flagrant use of looping I've heard Sharp use was on a live album recorded in Germany. I forget the name of the album (it might be "Westwerk" or something like that) but it's very much in-your-face live guitar and sax looping. Anyway, this CD is part of a series of "film music" CDs being issued by the Tzadik label in the U.S. Cheers, Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Tue Jan 13 21:41:54 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 13 20:12:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsKBH-0005ix-00; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:11:55 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980114031844.009f955c@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:18:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Elliot Sharp - Figure Ground Resent-Message-ID: <"QDNg7B.A.yeE.hjDv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2239 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:11:55 -0800 X-UIDL: a2a78c6bee2e44e88c110801e99aa4b2 Status: O X-Status: At 04:53 PM 1/13/98 -0800, Paolo Valladolid wrote: >Sharp uses just about all the instruments with which he has been associated: >guitars, some of which are self-designed; saxophones, computers, samplers, >synths, probably the Buchla Thunder (a MIDI controller designed to be played >by one hand), other self-designed instrments, etc. Thunder is actually designed to be played with two hands, but there is nothing really to preclude you from using just one. Or three, or your toes, or perhaps as a musical serving platter for unexpected dinner guests. kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue Jan 13 21:41:52 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 13 19:48:41 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsJoi-0003If-00; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:48:36 -0800 From: KILLINFO Message-ID: <7eb535f8.34bc31fa@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:33:12 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Scott Johnson Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"eGt24B.A.-CC.KNDv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2238 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:48:36 -0800 X-UIDL: e19378f2f70eb7ab1b76af439d06ff06 Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 1/13/98 3:30:32 PM, you wrote: >Saw Scott Johnson last nite, anyone familiar?? he was at the knitting >factory, he hasn't really played in 10 years, he's a great >guitarist/composer - he had a cellist, violin and piano/synth player, he was >on guitar , lus some DAT vocal samples and drum machine sequences were >going... excellent show. he did that "john somebody" piece from thye mid 80s >too!! > >ac Scott is a truly great composer. He's had some disks out "relatively: recently--"Rock/Paper/Scissors" came out in 1996 on PointMusic/Philips Classics. Saw him do the "john somebody" piece too (many years ago) at a concert that also included Paul Dresher. T. Killian From ???@??? Wed Jan 14 00:34:10 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 13 22:04:15 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsLvu-0001lt-00; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:04:10 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:56:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Magnets and Proper Plex Placement Resent-Message-ID: <"1KOE8C.A.F6.MOFv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2243 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:04:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 14f497a097bc7bbe36eb1aec9565274d Status: O X-Status: At 11:03 PM -0800 1/13/98, Chris Darrow wrote: >I know that I need to keep my computer, my computer screen, my video and >audio tapes away from my beloved speakers. What about the innards of the >plex? No, the proximity of the echoplex won't damage your speakers either.... .....sorry, couldn't resist that one.....furthering consumer techno-bafflement is getting far more amusing these days....:-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Jan 13 21:41:58 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 13 21:10:39 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsL60-0003s6-00; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:10:32 -0800 Message-ID: Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "Loopers-Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Chris Darrow" Subject: Magnets and Proper Plex Placement Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 23:03:07 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xDmBw.A.c4C.nbEv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2241 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:10:32 -0800 X-UIDL: f9ef0b54362a93ab30d5adc6ee0233e6 Status: O X-Status: I know that I need to keep my computer, my computer screen, my video and audio tapes away from my beloved speakers. What about the innards of the plex? From ???@??? Wed Jan 14 10:22:56 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 14 05:50:23 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsTD3-0000vc-00; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 05:50:21 -0800 From: Andre Cholmodeley Message-Id: <199801141338.IAA28327@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: Elliot Sharp - Figure Ground Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:38:50 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XZuDm.A.--G.x_Lv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2244 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 05:50:21 -0800 X-UIDL: 441475484763249f95968df07ed36092 Status: O X-Status: > > Sharp uses just about all the instruments with which he has been associated: > guitars, some of which are self-designed; saxophones, computers, samplers, > synths, probably the Buchla Thunder (a MIDI controller designed to be played > by one hand), other self-designed instrments, etc. > wow.... i just got this Cd.... very cool and of course diff. from all other E# i have... hey - NJ area loopers - on superbowl sunday, JAN 25, 8:00pm, my Duo project Jfk's Lsd Ufo is doing a show with Elliott Sharp AND Chris Haskett (guitarist of the Rollins Band) - it of course will be a loopy nite, we have a lot of llopage, guitar/synth, percussion, etc. If you're interested at all, check out http://www.courttavern.com, there you will find links to page for all 3 acts... Elliott is a tireless performer, in one week he'll do a string quartete concert, 2 blues gigs 9acoustic AN electric), a loop oriented spoken word accompaniment, and a crimson-esque ensemble piece those of you afar - catch him live on the net this sat nite - jan 17th 8pm nyc time at www.knittingfactory.com - live audio/video feed!! he's playing with wayne horvitz, bobby previte and john zorn... LOOPs away!!! From ???@??? Wed Jan 14 10:23:20 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 14 08:06:40 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsVKt-00024e-00; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:06:35 -0800 Message-ID: <34BCD1DE.62A4@artnet.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:55:26 -0700 From: "Eric R. Fischer" Reply-To: efisch@artnet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Echoplex For sale References: <34BCF1E0.D63@mail.giga.com.mx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"h6RvVC.A.nv.t_Nv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2248 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:06:35 -0800 X-UIDL: c6fe65201347e83af2ac961c19b6ef39 Status: O X-Status: I am selling my Echoplex and footswitch. It has 50 sec of memory, a brand new curcuit board from Oberheim, 5.0 software, and the gain increase mod on the LD web page. I have all boxes and manuals - $650.00, buyer pays shipping. Eric R. Fischer (213)664-5632 From ???@??? Wed Jan 14 10:23:18 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 14 07:54:57 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsV9c-0000kZ-00; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:54:56 -0800 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C291B8F67@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Cc: "'jcuevasc@mail.giga.com.mx'" Subject: RE: Help Vortex Knob Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:41:42 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"AoThNB.A.M9G.Y1Nv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2246 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:54:56 -0800 X-UIDL: 20b6f3e090c0e3e22b59b171dc34edf4 Status: O X-Status: > ---------- > From: Jesœs Cuevas-Cardona[ > "I bought a Vortex in in a retail price. Its a wonderful machine but the > right knob (preset selection) only works for presets 1 to 4. The > anothers presets I only can acces with a footswitch. Anybody knows > what > can I do to: > 1. Reinicialize the unit, because the register/presets 7,8 and 9 are > cleared and i can«t acces with the footswitch. I want unclear those > presets. > 2. Repair the unit. I think theres a problem with the potentiometer of > the knob. There are someway i can repair (me or some electronic > tecnician). > > I have not garantee «cause the special price. The unit is used. > > Can anybody help me? Maybe somebody from Lexicon?" > Yes, Mr. Cardona, The 16 position switch is broken. You should contact our Mexican Distributor, Hermes Trading at +512-781-8472, to arrange for the repair of the Vortex or the purchase of Lexicon part # 451-09555. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone +781-280-0372 FAX +781-280-0499 email: ghogan@lexicon.com From ???@??? Wed Jan 14 10:23:18 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 14 07:54:52 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsV9V-0000jj-00; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:54:49 -0800 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C291B8F68@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Cc: "'jcuevasc@mail.giga.com.mx'" Subject: RE: Help Vortex Knob Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:42:06 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"NB_Rk.A.B_G.l1Nv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2247 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:54:49 -0800 X-UIDL: ca1e01bc9746490dd601423927beed35 Status: O X-Status: > ---------- > From: Jesœs Cuevas-Cardona[SMTP:jcuevasc@mail.giga.com.mx] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 10:25 AM > To: GHogan@lexicon.com > Subject: Help Vortex Knob > > Hi everybody! > > I bought a Vortex in in a retail price. Its a wonderful machine but > the > right knob (preset selection) only works for presets 1 to 4. The > anothers presets I only can acces with a footswitch. Anybody knows > what > can I do to: > 1. Reinicialize the unit, because the register/presets 7,8 and 9 are > cleared and i can«t acces with the footswitch. I want unclear those > presets. > 2. Repair the unit. I think theres a problem with the potentiometer of > the knob. There are someway i can repair (me or some electronic > tecnician). > > I have not garantee «cause the special price. The unit is used. > > Can anybody help me? Maybe somebody from Lexicon? > > Jesus Cuevas Cardona > From ???@??? Wed Jan 14 10:23:28 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 14 08:17:12 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsVUy-0003Eu-00; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:17:00 -0800 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:01:42 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: CD recorders In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980113213814.009b57d4@pop.chromatic.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Y4Flu.A.xhB.qGOv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2249 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:17:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 146e06f35928b2abec3a12d5420e6605 Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Kim Flint wrote: > uh, did you guys somehow miss the point that this particular Philips box > records directly to both CD-R and CD-RW? With both digital and analog audio > I/O? And only costs $600? CD-RW media is expensive now because it is new, > same as CD-R disks were three years ago. So you could use the cheap CD-R now > and switch over whenever the price and extra convenience of CD-RW makes you > feel happy. > > For me, as someone beginning to contemplate a serious home studio, I had > been wondering when abouts I should seriously consider getting a DAT deck > for master mix downs, live recordings, etc. I would much rather get > something that can go directly to CD. With that I can easily listen to it in > the car, in the boom box at the park, in the stereo, at a friend's house, > etc, none of which I can do with DAT or hard disk. I can store it in a > shoebox in the garage and not worry about tape oxidation. I can pop it in > the computer and pull up the data directly and easily. Why would I ever > consider DAT now? As someone who just bought a CD-RW drive, I'll tell you why. With a DAT, if you screw up, you can just hit rewind and start again with minimum fuss. Or if you want to pause for a few seconds (or days) and then continue recording where you left off, you can. With CD-RW, you only get one pass through. If you screw up, you have to perform an erase on the media and start all over again. There's no hitting a pause button while you switch guitars or your drummer leaves his throne to visit the ...um... throne. The way I see it, DAT is the tool for initially capturing the material. The CD-RW is the tool for putting it on the CD when you are relatively happy with your results. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Wed Jan 14 10:23:29 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 14 08:20:57 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsVYZ-0003dl-00; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:20:43 -0800 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:05:57 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: simm upgrade/ CD recorders In-Reply-To: <007001bd2065$93945700$5323dacf@sgoodman> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"7EC8n.A.vAC.tKOv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2250 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:20:43 -0800 X-UIDL: a25dd575696bbae25eebd42960f9eb12 Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: > What does anyone have against 'regular old' CDR? :) It would > seem that the media cost (or costs incurred by the media, like perhaps > speed/capacity) is still the issue. My drive does both CDR and CDRW. I'm using the CDRW disc that came with the drive to do test pressings before I commit them to the CDR discs. Because of the reusable nature of the CDRW disc, If I didn't have it, by now I would have wasted 3-4 CDRs getting things just right. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Wed Jan 14 10:23:13 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 14 07:28:37 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsUk3-0005li-00; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:28:31 -0800 Message-ID: <34BCF1E0.D63@mail.giga.com.mx> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:13:42 -0800 From: Jesœs Cuevas-Cardona X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Help Vortex Knob Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"iuMH_B.A.WME.ScNv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2245 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:28:31 -0800 X-UIDL: dfea427599f2c08564cdeffa31733179 Status: O X-Status: Hi everybody! I bought a Vortex in in a retail price. Its a wonderful machine but the right knob (preset selection) only works for presets 1 to 4. The anothers presets I only can acces with a footswitch. Anybody knows what can I do to: 1. Reinicialize the unit, because the register/presets 7,8 and 9 are cleared and i can«t acces with the footswitch. I want unclear those presets. 2. Repair the unit. I think theres a problem with the potentiometer of the knob. There are someway i can repair (me or some electronic tecnician). I have not garantee «cause the special price. The unit is used. Can anybody help me? Maybe somebody from Lexicon? Jesus Cuevas Cardona From ???@??? Thu Jan 15 10:14:00 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 15 01:59:47 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsm5M-0002t3-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 01:59:40 -0800 Message-Id: <199801142338.PAA08902@scv4.apple.com> Subject: Re: CD recorders...MD too?? Date: Wed, 14 Jan 98 17:38:59 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"HO6-0C.A.aDC.3ydv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2264 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 01:59:40 -0800 X-UIDL: 0ed96d78cb475a3bf3f9b34b1a76e8b4 Status: O X-Status: > >any thoughts on MD and where it's headed?? >here are a few of mine...humble as i can make 'em... I've got the Tascam MD 4-track and the Sony 2-track home unit, and I like them both. The Sony is great for recording gigs and practices (also has a mono mode which doubles the recording time to 144minutes--great for archiving rehearsal jams, since you can later edit out all the bad bits and insert markers). Many people seem to have developed a knee-jerk reaction to the presence of data compression, but I think that a lot of that is people listening to the spec sheet instead of with their ears. For the money, I'd say they can't be beat. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Wed Jan 14 10:23:31 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 14 08:57:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsW8C-0007Js-00; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:57:32 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980113213814.009b57d4@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:49:45 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: CD recorders / Kim Resent-Message-ID: <"3BhB8D.A.MtF.KuOv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2251 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:57:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 4c90f412de60ddcbf2ae6c54c5ce8948 Status: O X-Status: >uh, did you guys somehow miss the point that this particular Philips box >records directly to both CD-R and CD-RW? With both digital and analog audio >I/O? And only costs $600? CD-RW media is expensive now because it is new, >same as CD-R disks were three years ago. So you could use the cheap CD-R now >and switch over whenever the price and extra convenience of CD-RW makes you >feel happy. Thats a good point, I admit. >... Why would I ever consider DAT now? I agree completetly with all those points exept that I love the portability of a tiny DAT. And it encurages me to give the work a clean up before I can listen to it on CD. OH, I just realize that I am talking to Kim - how are you once again? Can you guys imagine that we exchanged 1400 serious and sometimes long mails to keep the thing going? 5MB of text and a lot of code and list and reports. The back bone of Aurisis. With me on the lower end :-) And once a year we talk on the phone. Kim is great. Matthias From ???@??? Wed Jan 14 23:32:19 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 14 11:34:42 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsYaD-00008O-00; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:34:37 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980114095914.006b28cc@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com> X-Sender: cavaleri@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:00:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joe Cavaleri Subject: Monsters of Grace Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"p9aQFC.A.kRG.NDRv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2255 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:34:37 -0800 X-UIDL: b23f95f989eef5738e38ce2c85fe846c Status: O X-Status: Hi all, Philip Glass and Robert Wilson will be preforming "Monsters of Grace" at UCLA's Royce Hall. Dates: April 15 - 26 Price: $35 Info: (310) 825-2101 Listed as .... Three demsional animated images combine with live amplified music and a quartet of voices to create a breathtaking sensual experience. See you there... joe From ???@??? Wed Jan 14 11:00:09 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 14 10:46:49 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsXpi-0002Uk-00; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:46:34 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1976@mainstring.win.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:35:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Gig listings on the web Resent-Message-ID: <"utdJy.A.HNB.HWQv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2253 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:46:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 2bbfe22b910a878ebf10f1f2bc3ad273 Status: O X-Status: >Kim, you can now set up a page on the LD site with an HTML fragment that >will execute an automatic search and let visitors to LD check all the >loop gigs without even knowing that they are using the Musi-Cal system! hey Pat, I do have a page like that on the web site! It's been there for a while: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/gigs/performances.html I encourage you all to use it, it's a nice resource! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Jan 14 11:00:12 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 14 10:53:27 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsXw5-0003Ed-00; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:53:09 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <2.2.32.19980113213814.009b57d4@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:41:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: CD recorders Resent-Message-ID: <"dKyEhD.A.T1B.zbQv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2254 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:53:09 -0800 X-UIDL: bb8944f1e9a4a85e01e738433c1aa988 Status: O X-Status: At 11:01 AM -0500 1/14/98, Adam Levin wrote: >On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Kim Flint wrote: > >> uh, did you guys somehow miss the point that this particular Philips box >> records directly to both CD-R and CD-RW? With both digital and analog audio >> I/O? And only costs $600? CD-RW media is expensive now because it is new, >> same as CD-R disks were three years ago. So you could use the cheap CD-R now >> and switch over whenever the price and extra convenience of CD-RW makes you >> feel happy. >> >> For me, as someone beginning to contemplate a serious home studio, I had >> been wondering when abouts I should seriously consider getting a DAT deck >> for master mix downs, live recordings, etc. I would much rather get >> something that can go directly to CD. With that I can easily listen to it in >> the car, in the boom box at the park, in the stereo, at a friend's house, >> etc, none of which I can do with DAT or hard disk. I can store it in a >> shoebox in the garage and not worry about tape oxidation. I can pop it in >> the computer and pull up the data directly and easily. Why would I ever >> consider DAT now? > >As someone who just bought a CD-RW drive, I'll tell you why. With a DAT, >if you screw up, you can just hit rewind and start again with minimum >fuss. Or if you want to pause for a few seconds (or days) and then >continue recording where you left off, you can. With CD-RW, you only get >one pass through. If you screw up, you have to perform an erase on the >media and start all over again. There's no hitting a pause button while >you switch guitars or your drummer leaves his throne to visit the ...um... >throne. Ah, I didn't realize that CD-RW works that way too, like CD-R I guess. Well that sucks! Oh well, I guess I'm back to where I was before, wondering if I need a DAT machine now..... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Jan 14 10:23:42 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 14 09:38:06 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsWlA-0003d6-00; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:37:48 -0800 X-Mailer: WinNET Mail, v2.61 Message-ID: <1976@mainstring.win.net> Reply-To: pk@mainstring.win.net (Pat Kirtley) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:35:11 Subject: Gig listings on the web From: pk@mainstring.win.net (Pat Kirtley) Resent-Message-ID: <"DljzIB.A.zoB.tNPv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2252 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:37:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 0862eaf22a325f9fee236b6244de29f5 Status: O X-Status: Hi Loopers, As was discussed here several months back, the Music-Cal musical events calendar system http://concerts.calendar.com has indeed added a "looping" category to their system. What that means is that when loop-based gigs are posted there, anyone interested in finding out who's playing where and when can search system-wide by "category" and see all the loop gigs everywhere. It's also possible to post things there that are not your own gigs, i.e. if you know of an upcoming appearance by one of the more known artists that is not already posted there, you can do the favor of posting it, as long as you're sure your data is correct. This service is free to all and it's excellent. Go take a look if you haven't already. The more this system is used, the better it will become. Kim, you can now set up a page on the LD site with an HTML fragment that will execute an automatic search and let visitors to LD check all the loop gigs without even knowing that they are using the Musi-Cal system! loop on, PK From ???@??? Thu Jan 15 10:15:26 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 15 09:36:04 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xstCn-0002Ga-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:35:49 -0800 Message-ID: <34BD289E.AE85CAE9@mediaone.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:05:34 -0500 From: Jason Secord X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-MOEMW (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: CD recorders References: <2.2.32.19980113213814.009b57d4@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------075E5B719DBBA445986FFA92" Resent-Message-ID: <"rW7uRD.A.B5.KZkv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2269 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:35:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 9774889d0c44208745be70ef8e6af36b Status: O X-Status:  

Kim Flint wrote:

Ah, I didn't realize that CD-RW works that way too, like CD-R I guess. Well
that sucks! Oh well, I guess I'm back to where I was before, wondering if I
need a DAT machine now.....

kim

    the whole subject seems to beg the question, "is all this thought going to kill me before I get the chance to recieve my first royalty check or what?".  The whole subject of CD-R and CD-RW can't be answered very easily today with DVD and god knows what other interesting phenomena lurking around the "consumer-corner".  A friend of mine just got hold of a pretty interesting piece, a consumer-grade Cd doooper (that only allows single copies to be made)... its got a digital i/o and all, but for $1000.00 what's the point...  On a brighter note, I have heard good rumors concerning (of all things) an OLYMPUS CD-RW (if I heard'em right) that wholesales at about 500 bones.   That's probably old information to all of you, but a guy's got to contribute to the cause, ya know?

     rock on..........

 

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  From ???@??? Thu Jan 15 00:41:14 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 15 00:16:47 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xscMi-00013l-00; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:36:56 -0800 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:26:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801142226.RAA19374@shell.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: CD recorders...MD too?? Resent-Message-ID: <"R1tjeD.A.7QH.8jUv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2256 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:36:56 -0800 X-UIDL: 7bfdd132c9956f254aedb1aac056fd16 Status: O X-Status: any thoughts on MD and where it's headed?? here are a few of mine...humble as i can make 'em... i recently got a MD , a sony mz1 walkman recording MD (minidisc) - it's a technology that died a few yrs back, but sony and i think, phillips has tried to keep it alive... anyway - i'm totally blown away by how good it sounds - even just recording a band rehearsal in basement - great, quiet sound. and very convenient - it's kind of a happy medium betw. DAT and CD burners: -same time limit 74 minutes -same technology, more or less, same durability, maybe more, you can hardly scratch these MD discs, they are housed in a plastic case, like a 3.5" computer disc... - iknow, ikno, someone will say the dynamic range is smaller, sample rate etc - but 'i'll tell ya - most of us are deaf, (kidding) but really, i A/B'd some stuff recorded from a CD, and .... couldn't tell. - you can pause , stop, etc just like a tape. - you can, within seconds, delete a poor take or wasted time betw. songs, etc, thus releasing the disc space for usage.. - most MD players will let you display song/disc title, set track points wherever you want (great for a live/gig tape or a rehearsal - i can jump to the 7th tune we worked on in 1 second... so - check out this option folks - there are new home models coming out regularly, the blank 74" discs cost me 6.49 on the low side, 9.99 on the high. From ???@??? Thu Jan 15 00:41:21 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 15 00:37:23 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsknQ-0000e5-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 00:37:04 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199801142303.PAA08995@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Elliot Sharp - Figure Ground To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:03:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980114031844.009f955c@pop.chromatic.com> from "Kim Flint" at Jan 13, 98 07:18:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lhiOnD.A.88G.Mhcv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2262 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 00:37:04 -0800 X-UIDL: 93f0293927b02d89a9719d5a6ee2af4a Status: O X-Status: > Thunder is actually designed to be played with two hands, but there is > nothing really to preclude you from using just one. Or three, or your toes, > or perhaps as a musical serving platter for unexpected dinner guests. > > kim I probably got that "one-hand" impression from Emil "Dr.T" Tobenfield when he was describing his use of the Thunder under one hand, a MIDI fader box under another, and various foot pedals to play electronic music. Cheers, Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Wed Jan 14 23:33:26 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 14 20:37:10 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsh3D-0006ul-00; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:37:07 -0800 Message-ID: <34BD66C2.266B@artnet.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:30:41 -0700 From: "Eric R. Fischer" Reply-To: efisch@artnet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplex For sale References: <34BCF1E0.D63@mail.giga.com.mx> <34BCD1DE.62A4@artnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ey9qpB.A.JJF.m9Yv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2258 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:37:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 57902d31290dcdad61b5c89cd7f3db09 Status: O X-Status: Thanks for all the interest folks, I sold it first thing this mornin. Eric R. Fischer wrote: > > I am selling my Echoplex and footswitch. It has 50 sec of memory, a > brand new curcuit board from Oberheim, 5.0 software, and the gain > increase mod on the LD web page. I have all boxes and manuals - $650.00, > buyer pays shipping. > > Eric R. Fischer > (213)664-5632 From ???@??? Wed Jan 14 23:33:14 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 14 18:25:53 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsezk-0007NS-00; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:25:24 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980114194807.006a12bc@txdirect.net> X-Sender: zom@txdirect.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:48:07 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: ZOM Subject: Loopy, loopy, loopy In-Reply-To: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C291B8F67@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"hsaXeB.A.yiF.UDXv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2257 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:25:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 2728fec10264a570745aeb8136eb7190 Status: O X-Status: Are there any loopers on the list from the Texas area like me? Curious. I'm looking for some looopers who might want to play a show in San Antonio with me...It would be a small gig, underappreciated, to be sure, but a lot of fun and would make for an interesting evening meeting some of you. my private addy-- zom@txdirect.net Also, got more Real Audio versions of some loopage at my site, URL below..... send me YOUR URLS and we can trade links! Real Audio Zombie Project Music! Paisley Babylon, more coming.... http://www.txdirect.net/users/zom From ???@??? Wed Jan 14 23:33:29 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 14 21:38:43 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsi0g-0005x8-00; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:38:34 -0800 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 00:03:07 -0500 (EST) From: CORROSIVE@aol.com Message-ID: <980115000307_989605908@mrin53> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopy, loopy, loopy Resent-Message-ID: <"XQkTmD.A.5rE.T7Zv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2259 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:38:34 -0800 X-UIDL: ac3d8ab5e6de7532584500263e3b10a0 Status: O X-Status: hey!!@ any loopers in the Portland, OR area interested in starting a downtempo triphoppy gtr loop & analog synth project? email me>>corrosive@aol.com thanks From ???@??? Wed Jan 14 23:33:31 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 14 22:33:07 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsirM-0003pd-00; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:33:00 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: <78426705.34bdaa6d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 01:19:23 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Loopy, loopy, loopy Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"u85__D.A.4QC.Gqav0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2260 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:33:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 716c9b2081fd5855ded4fbdaf860c88f Status: O X-Status: Hi Corrosive: The LoOpDoctOrs would be interested in playing in Portland. Let us know what you're up to. Best, The LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Thu Jan 15 01:58:51 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 15 01:26:12 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xslYt-0006E7-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 01:26:07 -0800 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 02:01:46 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Pafford Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: Jesœs Cuevas-Cardona cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Help Vortex Knob In-Reply-To: <34BCF1E0.D63@mail.giga.com.mx> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"JtekmC.A.C9E.ESdv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2263 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 01:26:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 031d084d6d8dfeab0d5675813c5c4b62 Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, [iso-8859-1] Jesús Cuevas-Cardona wrote: > Hi everybody! > > I bought a Vortex in in a retail price. Its a wonderful machine but the > right knob (preset selection) only works for presets 1 to 4. The > anothers presets I only can acces with a footswitch. Anybody knows what > can I do to: ... > > Jesus Cuevas Cardona > > Hi, sounds like the exact problem I had a short while ago. I contacted Greg Hogan from Lexicon (he's on the list) he got me the info on repairing the unit. It turned out to be a faulty part. Lexicon fixed it right up for me free of charge (my unit was still under warranty). While I'm at it, thanks a bunch for your help Greg. Lexicon really knows how to treat it's customers. :) --- "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, infinite." -- William Blake Todd Pafford galen@erols.com From ???@??? Thu Jan 15 00:41:07 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 14 23:34:53 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsjpC-0002My-00; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:34:50 -0800 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 02:12:16 -0500 From: Michael Peters Subject: RE: CD recorders...MD too?? Sender: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199801150212_MC2-2F60-51A7@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"IccoJD.A.3FB.Plbv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2261 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:34:50 -0800 X-UIDL: e11e41355c10a41b154066e323847b23 Status: O X-Status: >i recently got a MD , a sony mz1 walkman recording MD (minidisc) - it's a >technology that died a few yrs back, but sony and i think, phillips has >tried to keep it alive... anyway - i'm totally blown away by how good it >sounds - even just recording a band rehearsal in basement - great, quiet >sound. and very convenient - it's kind of a happy medium betw. DAT and CD >burners I heard that many people eventually encounter problems with MD which are related to dust which gets into the machine and especially into the media. (And apparently there is no MD cleaning disk available yet.) ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm From ???@??? Fri Jan 16 02:19:08 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 16 01:54:23 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xt8Ti-0007OK-00; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 01:54:18 -0800 Message-Id: <199801151817.KAA25716@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Re: Data compression, twitch factors, knee jerks and God Date: Thu, 15 Jan 98 12:17:28 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"rkuxQB.A.nVG.qzyv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2302 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 01:54:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 01f0b0cb97dea7d498cf391e9b353908 Status: O X-Status: > >In short, we trust our ears and nobody's spec sheets. And we are HIGHLY >suspicious of faux scientific explanations as to why we should accept "less" >as "more." That includes marketing/compression schemes. Bang for the >buck is >one thing, but don't tell our ears they're related to jerky knees. The >"twitch factor" for marketing types with profit line incentives is much >higher >then the >"knee jerk" factor in musicians. Every form of recording technology has its limitations. "Sergeant Pepper" recorded on an MD still manages to get the point across. Hack engineers will yield poor results with unfamiliar technology, digital or analog, regardless. All compression, analog or digital, represents a loss of information. All professional recordings are compressed in several ways before the final product reaches the consumer. Despite this, music still finds its way into the world. Anything which is considered "state of the art" today will be viewed as hopelessly outdated within five years, including ADAT, the Echoplex, 24-bit sampling, etc. If you wait for the perfect technology to arrive, you'll never get anything done. Take what you can afford now, and make the most of it. Travis From ???@??? Thu Jan 15 10:14:35 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 15 05:59:36 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsppX-0005mw-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 05:59:35 -0800 X-From_:graug9@cti.ecp.fr Thu Jan 15 05:59:32 1998 Received: from chat.ecp.fr [138.195.33.30] by ferret with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsppM-0005lz-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 05:59:31 -0800 Received: from caracal.cti.ecp.fr (root@caracal.cti.ecp.fr [138.195.33.4]) by chat.ecp.fr (8.8.5/jtpda-5.2) with ESMTP id OAA10293 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:59:19 +0100 (MET) Received: from GRAU.via.ecp.fr (grau.via.ecp.fr [138.195.136.84]) by caracal.cti.ecp.fr (8.8.8/jtpda-5.2) with SMTP id OAA14549 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:59:15 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199801151359.OAA14549@caracal.cti.ecp.fr> X-Sender: graug9@pop.cti.ecp.fr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Old-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:59:16 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Grau Guy-louis Subject: suscribe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Diagnostic: undecipherable, help sent X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 05:59:35 -0800 X-UIDL: 04556ddec1d8eba902d9e88da81a2755 Status: O X-Status: suscribe From ???@??? Thu Jan 15 10:14:47 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 15 07:05:40 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsqrT-0003c7-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:05:39 -0800 Sender: jfm3@ix.netcom.com Message-ID: <34BE2430.83052FF0@acm.org> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:58:56 -0500 From: Joe Miklojcik Organization: Rutgers University ACS X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Elliot Sharp - Figure Ground References: <2.2.32.19980114031844.009f955c@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nEW0OB.A.L4C.uQiv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2265 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:05:39 -0800 X-UIDL: cdf9d9f0ca0e24adad52e774eb262d80 Status: O X-Status: Interesting that it would come up on this list. The Buchla Thunder is capable of "algorithmic looping" or "MIDI looping" with a fair degree of complexity. (I own one.) This is a much different animal than playing into a delay. Is this an apropriate forum for that synth-o-centric kind of stuff? Kim Flint wrote: > At 04:53 PM 1/13/98 -0800, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > > >Sharp uses just about all the instruments with which he has been associated: > >guitars, some of which are self-designed; saxophones, computers, samplers, > >synths, probably the Buchla Thunder (a MIDI controller designed to be played > >by one hand), other self-designed instrments, etc. > > Thunder is actually designed to be played with two hands, but there is > nothing really to preclude you from using just one. Or three, or your toes, > or perhaps as a musical serving platter for unexpected dinner guests. > > kim > _______________________________________________________ > Kim Flint 408-752-9284 > Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com > Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Jan 15 11:39:34 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 15 11:07:52 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsudj-0004X2-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:07:43 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19980115071116.2fe72f28@texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@texas.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (16) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:11:16 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: Re: CD recorders? MDS, DATs, or black virgin vinyl In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980115155143.006746cc@interactive.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"JMb0DB.A.Z4C.8tlv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2273 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:07:43 -0800 X-UIDL: 78bab4d1d3967028c01da27be52c956b Status: O X-Status: hello guys, i chose a CDRW (stand alone unit CDR870)because the Audio CD is a standard worldwide format,,i burn all of my recordings live anyway,,,so my tascam 4 track, really usually functions as a "live to 2 track" device...MDs are great especially when it comes to the edit process,,,DATs are outstanding,,,but most people i know dont have one... for MY needs the CD recorder allows my music to be heard by more listeners..but i would make music no matter what,,,DO THE BEST WITH WHAT YOU HAVE,,,,its more about music and less about gear anyway. afterall i prefer black virgin vinyl,,,and a diamond stylus 10011100000101110000110110101010101010101000001111010100011101010101010 analog james From ???@??? Thu Jan 15 11:39:41 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 15 11:30:25 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsuzV-0006xF-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:30:13 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19980115071807.26d75a3c@texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@texas.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (16) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:18:07 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: Re: New Echoplex Pro owner Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"St2Gn.A.DZF.YEmv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2275 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:30:13 -0800 X-UIDL: c2f0ad7f1df3a40e5bb35f11d5b00654 Status: O X-Status: >Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:14:27 >To: tomroady@telalink.net >From: james rhodes >Subject: Re: New Echoplex Pro owner >In-Reply-To: <34BE329E.6FC1@telalink.net> > >hi Tom, welcome > >you have come to the right place,,alot of sharp people on this list >learn something everyday... > >enjoy >james rhodes > > > >At 11:00 AM 1/15/98 -0500, you wrote: >>Hi, >> My name is Tom Roady. I am a studio percussionist in Nashville Tn. >>I just picked up an Echoplex Pro at Gibson here yesterday. Tom Spalding >>at Oberheim hipped me to your page. He had nothing but praise for your >>webbsite. He said I should definitely check it out and here I am. >> I play drums and percussion with Chet Atkins also and I am the >>Clinician for the ZENDRUM Corp. I have been using a JAMMAN for 2 years >>to do clinics and live solo Zendrum gigs. I am very anxious to get into >>the Echoplex. Looking forward to hearing back. Tom Roady >> >> >> From ???@??? Thu Jan 15 10:14:56 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 15 07:57:44 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsrfn-0000H3-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:57:39 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980115155143.006746cc@interactive.net> X-Sender: jbrainin@interactive.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:51:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jonathan Brainin Subject: Re: CD recorders...MD too?? Resent-Message-ID: <"YyLGm.A.j8G.nBjv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2266 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:57:39 -0800 X-UIDL: aafb93a0f61cb627ad33f0ee5f7f617a Status: O X-Status: At 05:38 PM 1/14/98 -0000, you wrote: >> >>any thoughts on MD and where it's headed?? >>here are a few of mine...humble as i can make 'em... >Many people seem to have developed a knee-jerk reaction to the presence >of data compression, but I think that a lot of that is people listening >to the spec sheet instead of with their ears. Well, actually, the sound of a MD is compromised in relation to a CD DAT or reel to reel. However, in the real world, it's a irrelevancy. The sound of a MD at its worst is significantly better than the analog cassette. Given the choice of a 4 track cassette studio or a 4 track MD studio, I'd grab the MD with no hesitation. Jonathan Brainin jbrainin@interactive.net From ???@??? Thu Jan 15 10:15:20 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 15 09:07:50 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsslf-0006pv-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:07:47 -0800 Message-ID: <34BE329E.6FC1@telalink.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:00:31 -0500 From: "Thomas W. Roady" Reply-To: tomroady@telalink.net Organization: ZENDRUM X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: New Echoplex Pro owner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"T1H1CB.A.YaF.UAkv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2267 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:07:47 -0800 X-UIDL: 53d7bae3cb2dd6a7df359031895ea657 Status: O X-Status: Hi, My name is Tom Roady. I am a studio percussionist in Nashville Tn. I just picked up an Echoplex Pro at Gibson here yesterday. Tom Spalding at Oberheim hipped me to your page. He had nothing but praise for your webbsite. He said I should definitely check it out and here I am. I play drums and percussion with Chet Atkins also and I am the Clinician for the ZENDRUM Corp. I have been using a JAMMAN for 2 years to do clinics and live solo Zendrum gigs. I am very anxious to get into the Echoplex. Looking forward to hearing back. Tom Roady From ???@??? Thu Jan 15 10:15:24 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 15 09:19:02 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsswT-0000JE-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:18:57 -0800 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:08:08 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: CD recorders...MD too?? In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980115155143.006746cc@interactive.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"iJR_PD.A.8jG.5Kkv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2268 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:18:57 -0800 X-UIDL: edae6d538562304d09a94f0acde84390 Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Jonathan Brainin wrote: > Well, actually, the sound of a MD is compromised in relation to a CD > DAT or reel to reel. However, in the real world, it's a irrelevancy. > The sound of a MD at its worst is significantly better than the analog > cassette. Yep, I own the Sony MDM-X4 multitracker and it's one hell of a step up from my old Tascam cassette multi-tracker. No analog tape hiss! -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Thu Jan 15 10:15:28 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 15 09:53:42 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xstU3-0004Jr-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:53:39 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: <683dbb48.34be4a05@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:40:18 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Data compression, twitch factors, knee jerks and God Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"y0WSQD.A.QGD.Askv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2270 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:53:39 -0800 X-UIDL: 7c28c45a22ccf334cf3f36e1dbd036ec Status: O X-Status: <> The LoOpDoctOrs don't agree...we listen with our ears and we hear that hard disc recording kills what we can afford for analogue and we love the freedom allowed by our computer. However, we find it alarming that manufacturers will play God with recorded human history. And we have been around recording long enough to remember "perfect sound forever," the initial hype when Phillips/Sony introduced digital. It turned out to be far from perfect and the forever part only applies to the painful aural butchery that that was made immortal in early digital recordings. In short, we trust our ears and nobody's spec sheets. And we are HIGHLY suspicious of faux scientific explanations as to why we should accept "less" as "more." That includes marketing/compression schemes. Bang for the buck is one thing, but don't tell our ears they're related to jerky knees. The "twitch factor" for marketing types with profit line incentives is much higher then the "knee jerk" factor in musicians. From ???@??? Thu Jan 15 10:46:14 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 15 10:26:15 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xstzR-0007jF-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:26:05 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199801151815.KAA16927@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: CD recorders...MD too?? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:15:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199801142226.RAA19374@shell.monmouth.com> from "andre" at Jan 14, 98 05:26:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4vwfZC.A.eKG.2Ilv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2271 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:26:05 -0800 X-UIDL: c55ec8effc5d26406e3b287dbb424d29 Status: O X-Status: A friend of mine got an MD player so that he could play the bootleg recordings he got from Japan. Apparently using MD recorders for bootlegging is now a common practice over there. Cheers, Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Jan 15 10:46:30 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 15 10:37:32 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsuAU-0001D5-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:37:30 -0800 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:20:42 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: CD recorders In-Reply-To: <34BD289E.AE85CAE9@mediaone.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"pW9RnD.A.XLH.SSlv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2272 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:37:30 -0800 X-UIDL: bc2527409f7d82ab2f42bc165783d0c4 Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, Jason Secord wrote: > On a brighter note, I have heard good rumors concerning (of all things) > an OLYMPUS CD-RW (if I heard'em right) that wholesales at about 500 > bones. That's probably old information to all of you, but a guy's got > to contribute to the cause, ya know? I forgot to mention this yesterday, but the CD-RW drive I'm using is a Maxell which cost $299 at Best Buy. It's not a stand alone unit though, it plugs into the standard IDE hard disk controller on a PC (no SCSI needed). -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Fri Jan 16 02:17:39 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 15 11:47:21 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsvFs-00013C-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:47:08 -0800 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:25:52 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Data compression, twitch factors, knee jerks and God In-Reply-To: <683dbb48.34be4a05@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"mCsmdD.A.XwG.TRmv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2276 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:47:09 -0800 X-UIDL: 1280e07e604f71767c5fb77dab2f947a Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Fmplautus wrote: > < of data compression, but I think that a lot of that is people listening > to the spec sheet instead of with their ears. > >> > > The LoOpDoctOrs don't agree...we listen with our ears and we hear that hard > disc recording kills what we can afford for analogue and we love the freedom > allowed by our computer. > > However, we find it alarming that manufacturers will play God with recorded > human history. And we have been around recording long enough to remember > "perfect sound forever," the initial hype when Phillips/Sony introduced > digital. It turned out to be far from perfect and the forever part only > applies to the painful aural butchery that that was made immortal in early > digital recordings. > > In short, we trust our ears and nobody's spec sheets. And we are HIGHLY > suspicious of faux scientific explanations as to why we should accept "less" > as "more." That includes marketing/compression schemes. Bang for the buck is > one thing, but don't tell our ears they're related to jerky knees. The > "twitch factor" for marketing types with profit line incentives is much higher > then the > "knee jerk" factor in musicians. > Umm, so are the Loop Doctors saying that they actually hear a degradation in sound from the compression schemes used in MiniDisc recording? -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Thu Jan 15 11:39:35 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 15 11:10:37 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsug8-0004np-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:10:12 -0800 Message-ID: <004001bd21e6$b77c1900$7b22dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: CD recorders Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:52:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"7pbaCC.A.4JD.Xwlv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2274 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:10:12 -0800 X-UIDL: aa185427c0ba267bd6e0791065081bb5 Status: O X-Status: Adam Levin chimed in with: >I forgot to mention this yesterday, but the CD-RW drive I'm using is a >Maxell which cost $299 at Best Buy. It's not a stand alone unit though, it >plugs into the standard IDE hard disk controller on a PC (no SCSI needed). Do let us know how you're using it! At the least I'd want to have one just to make masters and backups. After using streaming tape for so long it's not a problem to have to reinitialize the media, IMHO. I consider that a very reasonable trade-off for being able to burn CDs. Stephen Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Productions * Get the Loop Of The Week Free! From ???@??? Fri Jan 16 02:17:55 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 15 14:34:28 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsxrh-00024W-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:34:21 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980115114700.00941aa0@global.california.com> X-Sender: sechevar@global.california.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:47:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: New Echoplex Pro owner In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.16.19980115071807.26d75a3c@texas.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"EM2M4C.A.QBB.Kyov0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2283 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:34:21 -0800 X-UIDL: f4c0970f1488e0d6f7e175a1d75f9b6e Status: O X-Status: Yeah, Butt don'''''''''t let the pee-------------ple that youse lots of weerd punctu-aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-shun (((and spullen))) throw you!!!!!!!!! > > Or,,,, them thar looperz that respond inside of what looks > like quoted text,,,,,,,,,,, > We,We,We,Wel---------come abooooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaard > :) At 07:18 AM 1/15/98, a looper wrote: >> >>you have come to the right place,,alot of sharp people on this list >>learn something everyday... >> From ???@??? Fri Jan 16 02:18:38 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 15 19:09:23 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xt29h-0000WQ-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:09:13 -0800 From: Andre Cholmodeley Message-Id: <199801152007.PAA14173@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: To: Subject: .MD rumored "problems" Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:07:44 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qFzpR.A.gBG._tsv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2289 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:09:13 -0800 X-UIDL: b6df978d72fafd55a69460a563e0b5e4 Status: O X-Status: I>>>>> heard that many people eventually encounter problems with MD which are related to dust which gets into the machine and especially into the media. (And apparently there is no MD cleaning disk available yet.) ANdre':well, yes , there IS an MD cleaning disc - saw one at least 2 weeks back at a big electronic supply store... about $15 - i haven't invested yet. i believe it's by JVC - but i'm sure they "all" have one..... how prevalent are the problems?? what's the percent?? i'd be concerned if i could verify that it was worse than the % of failed DATs, or skippy CDs, etc. I would suspect the % may be around that/ or better than the % failure rate of 3.5" comp. discs, since it's the same technology. the issue for me anyway - is a good live mastering medium - then i'll dump it to samoe format (CD, DAT) for mass duplication on CrO2 cassette and/or CD also- did you hear this problem about the regular MD or the MD DATA discs??? the latter are are the more expensive ($20-25) discs used in the MD four-track machines. ___________ peace, andre' From ???@??? Fri Jan 16 02:17:44 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 15 12:51:21 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xswFn-00007V-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:51:07 -0800 From: Andre Cholmodeley Message-Id: <199801152012.PAA16227@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: CD recorders...MD too?? Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:12:37 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"A5fyLC.A.hKG.9Onv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2277 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:51:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 5c4d84691bce84371e7b3d9a134cd6d3 Status: O X-Status: thanks for more info, travis... can the 4 track MD's be used fresh or played , once recorded, on the 2 track MD machine?? If so, wht do you hear, tracks 1 and 2, like a 4track cassette in a reg. cassette deck?? andre' From ???@??? Fri Jan 16 02:17:53 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 15 13:46:17 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsx6w-0005Of-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:46:02 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:15:35 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: freedom, syncing and quantization Resent-Message-ID: <"cjsaFC.A.y6D.MCov0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2282 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:46:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 26a2d4c0e613a8b0912bf8f2534abb7d Status: O X-Status: Kim said a while ago: >The issue of rhythmic freedom vs. various degrees of synchronization is a >fundamental problem with multiple loops, I think. The effort involved in >making these features musically useful on the echoplex was huge, but worth >it. Basically, you have to give the musician the option to choose. And the >musician should be able to make the decision on the fly, with a minimal >amount of setup. Some musicians (like Matthias) do not want any >synchronization, insisting that they always be free to tap the lengths >wherever they please. And some, (like me sometimes) want precise >synchronization, allowing for polyrhythmic relationships. And most times, >different types of music and different situations just call for one or the >other. Tough challenge for the designer! Definitally. I see at least three different levels, interesting for users that might not be aware of: Free: Everything happens exactly when you hit the button. Rounded: Everything starts exactly when you hit, but stops, when the timing is in some relation to the existing material, so the loop continues consistently. Quantized: Everything happens at a predefined moment, like the end of the loop, or at a sync signal coming. This means that operation has to be antecipated. The first level I imagined sutable for totaly free music. Its the easiest to program. My personal preference is the second. I cannot stand to wait for some quantization mark that might not coincide with my perception of the loop I am listening too. But I want to stay in the rhythm of a previous loop in case I create a bigger one around it or with a brother in case of playing together. The biggest effort was to allow a somewhat late operation with round-down. This allows the user to hit on the spot in his perception and any human inacuracy is corrected. The unit then has to correct all that happened and reconstruct as if the user had really hit on the spot. All the Undos of the function are done on this base, and were the most complicated to program: To stay in time but let it happen immediately means to figure out where we would be in the loop if the user would not have called the function he undoes now and immediately jump there. In the LOOP delay those Undos where resolved on the quantize base, which is much simpler. In the next upgrade, SyncRecording (a Record to a external MIDI or Brother tempo) will be available rounded, not just quantized as now. Much handyer, I think. Does anyone use the Quantize feature of the Plex? (I understood there is a equivalent on the JamMan with a name I do not remember) I guess Q level it mainly interesting to work in planned "organized" music, where you treat bars and measures. There could be several Q levels, like referenced to loop end or cycle end or beat... Anyone... ? Matthias From ???@??? Fri Jan 16 02:17:50 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 15 13:45:33 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsx66-0005Iq-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:45:10 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:15:35 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: MicroSynth Resent-Message-ID: <"jPnI7.A.K4D.zBov0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2280 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:45:10 -0800 X-UIDL: c078664e238e5651d4c1cfc692acee34 Status: O X-Status: Someone gave me one that does not work. If its value is high, it might motivate me to fix it. How much is the offer for a perfectly working one? Matthias From ???@??? Fri Jan 16 02:17:51 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 15 13:44:40 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsx5P-0005Em-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:44:27 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199801142338.PAA08902@scv4.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:30:48 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: CD recorders...MD too?? Resent-Message-ID: <"EdYwUC.A.c4D.1Bov0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2281 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:44:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 0ed8e189071049672d96997a9fb581f5 Status: O X-Status: >Many people seem to have developed a knee-jerk reaction to the presence >of data compression, but I think that a lot of that is people listening >to the spec sheet instead of with their ears. The problem with the compression only starts if you process the sound later because you escape from the save characteristics of the compression. I remember its developper admiting it at an AES Speach. So use it for recording final results only. Matthias From ???@??? Fri Jan 16 02:17:45 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 15 12:55:18 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xswJc-0000Wx-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:55:04 -0800 Message-ID: <34BE73F4.456C16E2@magelang.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:39:16 -0700 From: Jim Coker Reply-To: jcoker@magelang.com Organization: Magelang Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: CD recorders References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ieta6B.A.snG.aTnv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2278 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:55:04 -0800 X-UIDL: 931e86dcfbda37005fd9f88c08fd8129 Status: O X-Status: Something you might want to keep in mind is the cost of CD-RW blanks, which I think are $10 or more, whereas you can get blank CD-Rs for $2.50 in qty of 50 or more (with a jewel box). I got a Sony 2x recorder from APS (w/ Toast) for $400 a couple months ago and it works great. Jim Adam Levin wrote: > On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, Jason Secord wrote: > > > On a brighter note, I have heard good rumors concerning (of all things) > > an OLYMPUS CD-RW (if I heard'em right) that wholesales at about 500 > > bones. That's probably old information to all of you, but a guy's got > > to contribute to the cause, ya know? > > I forgot to mention this yesterday, but the CD-RW drive I'm using is a > Maxell which cost $299 at Best Buy. It's not a stand alone unit though, it > plugs into the standard IDE hard disk controller on a PC (no SCSI needed). > > -Adam > > --- > "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, > out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one > becomes a Hearer." > - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Fri Jan 16 02:18:58 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 16 00:00:07 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xt6h3-0003R2-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:59:57 -0800 From: Andre Cholmodeley Message-Id: <199801152045.PAA00724@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: To: Subject: time machine/ gig with ElliottSharp, Chris Haskett Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:45:19 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YTG7xB.A.iRC.6Exv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2297 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:59:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 7f241373303b9cfade688e24eabce9d4 Status: O X-Status: yaaaayyy!! just scored a digitech Time Machine 800, 8 secs of looping and fun!!! and....(drum roll) only $169 !!!! eat your ROMs out!!! Used Stuff Doth Rule. and NY/NJ/DEL Loopers...I'll be using this new toy and others on superbowl sunday at the 'Noisebowl 98' - sun jan 25 8:00pm the court tavern new brunswick nj -JFK's LSD UFO - Elliot Sharp (solo TECTONICS w/mac computer) -Chris Haskett band (Rollins Band guitarist) i'm in the first duo, we use a ton of loopage, using digitech, korg, vortex, boss delays, as well as live sequence looping more info, links to all relevant sites are on the schedule at http://www.courttavern.com ---------- From ???@??? Fri Jan 16 03:40:04 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 16 02:58:39 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xt2Tp-0002tT-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:30:01 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980115204659.00683374@interactive.net> X-Sender: jbrainin@interactive.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:46:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jonathan Brainin Subject: Re: Data compression, twitch factors, knee jerks and God Resent-Message-ID: <"poLETD.A.2m.c-sv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2291 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:30:01 -0800 X-UIDL: a605a3b9e3b1702f8ee496a7f03d0f66 Status: O X-Status: At 01:25 PM 1/15/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Umm, so are the Loop Doctors saying that they actually hear a degradation >in sound from the compression schemes used in MiniDisc recording? > >-Adam I'm not sure if that's what they were saying bit I say that in comparison to DAT or HDR, there is a discernable degradation in sound quality from a MiniDisc that I would attribute to the lossy compression schemes used by the format. I think the use is not all that important. MD, IMO is a "consumer" format with the usual sonic compromises inherent to most mass market consumer audio products. DAT and HDR are largely "professional" formats. But you use whatever tool you've got to make your music. I think we need to find a new topic. This is soon going to become a "analog vs. digital" or "pc vs. mac" type debate. Jonathan Brainin jbrainin@interactive.net From ???@??? Fri Jan 16 02:19:09 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 16 01:58:00 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xswlv-0003Qj-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:24:19 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:53:30 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Data compression, twitch factors, knee jerks and God Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"3q4kFC.A.5GC.aunv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2279 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:24:19 -0800 X-UIDL: be024385f6f5ce8213892424aec19735 Status: O X-Status: Adam: The LoOpDoctOrs haven't heard the mini-disc recording, but we are most certain that every pair of ears on the planet will hear it's recorded results a little differently. We do believe that technology should serve human creativity, and not visa versa. If the mini-disc, hard drive, DAT or CD-R is a viable tool for a musicians artistic end, then good for him or her, but what is one person's so called "knee jerk" reaction to a recording format, maybe an incontrovertable aesthetic point for another. Another way of looking at this -- some artists sculpt in pig iron, others in bronze. Kodachome has different "reality" points to make then fresco and camel hair. Similarly scratching turntables has different noise characteristics then the samples out of our synths. One ain't better then the other or worse because an engineer tells us so, and we have repeatedly seen so called "flaws" in instruments/amplifiers/recording devices, etc. later hailed as "the real deal." As a general artistic credo, the LoOpDoctOrs like to think that the accidents are more interesting then the plans, the boundaries ARE the horizons, and tape hiss and digital clipping might be two very interesting aural toys to play with. Here's a question. A few years down the road could a musical aesthetic (read movement) rise up around those darned hissy four track cassette tape decks some are about to trash for the latest and the greatest? We're standing by. In short, your recording medium IS a musical instrument, and it brings with it inherent creative vistas and limitations. Exploring that tension is the fun part. Best, the LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Fri Jan 16 03:39:59 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 16 02:32:09 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xt0tq-0004Le-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:48:46 -0800 From: Andre Cholmodeley Message-Id: <199801152054.PAA04510@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: Data compression, twitch factors, knee jerks and God Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:54:25 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"A880WB.A.GAD.Emrv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2288 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:48:46 -0800 X-UIDL: e7931ebe73bd548c0ae73881f1470838 Status: O X-Status: > >> > > The LoOpDoctOrs don't agree...we listen with our ears and we hear that hard > disc recording kills what we can afford for analogue and we love the freedom > allowed by our computer. .... In short, we trust our ears and nobody's spec sheets. And we are HIGHLY > suspicious of faux scientific explanations as to why we should accept "less" > as "more." That includes marketing/compression schemes. Bang for the buck is > one thing, but don't tell our ears they're related to jerky knees. The > "twitch factor" for marketing types with profit line incentives is much higher > then the > "knee jerk" factor in musicians. and you're absolutely correct. but it's all about balance. i really think life is too short to worry about a few 1,000 khz of compresssion or inaudibility. very few people can blindfold test this stuff. I don't know about everyone esle - but i make music so someone will hear it, and like it or not, lo or hi tech, our music will be heard on boom boxes, bose wave radio, walkman crappy headphoes, car stereos of umpteen diff. quality levels.. etc. i 'm not trying to pick a fight in the least bit, but lets step back - if someone finds affordable gear for their current budget and it can trap their musical performance in time, that's all ya need. the recently departed Micheal Hedges, for all the warmth and beauty of his guiatr sound, used old analog tape machines, but also used digital stuff, synths and hard drive recording. now's he's gone, as we all will be, and should we get to that other side saying " i woulda recorded my masterpiece - but the specs were wrong" on the other extreme - again, you're correct, the corporations have, do, and will milk all these alternative for what they are worth and beyond. the trick is to catch what falls between the cracks, like the fisher-price "toy" video camera that now fetches hundreds, or the quickly discontinued casio cz 101, still a fave. i think MD may do a bit better, but is in that category as far as the big suits are concerned. use what works. andre From ???@??? Fri Jan 16 02:19:06 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 16 01:50:41 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xt8Q4-0006yo-00; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 01:50:32 -0800 From: Andre Cholmodeley Message-Id: <199801152056.PAA05684@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: CD recorders...MD too?? Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:56:58 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"M_xK5D.A.19F.Uwyv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2301 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 01:50:32 -0800 X-UIDL: eac69e4856d7f0e564945683d29e8b32 Status: O X-Status: > > A friend of mine got an MD player so that he could play the bootleg recordings > he got from Japan. Apparently using MD recorders for bootlegging is now > a common practice over there. > Cheers,> Paolo Valladolid yes, another awesome use. light , easy to use, great sound as a bootlegger. while i'm on the floor recording the following show sat. nite - i urge you all to hear/see it sat, jan 17 8:00pm NYC time (eastern) Elliott Sharp, Bobby Previte, John Zorn, Wayne Horvitz Live improv. should be real sick. http://www.knittingfactory.com From ???@??? Fri Jan 16 02:18:49 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 15 20:56:08 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xt3on-0004sp-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:55:45 -0800 Message-Id: <001001bd21fd$df400840$b62e9a86@electromusic.csuhayward.edu> Reply-To: "Scot Gresham-Lancaster" From: "Scot Gresham-Lancaster" To: Subject: Re: CD recorders...MD too?? Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:38:09 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"xtRekB.A.TLC.vMuv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2294 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:55:45 -0800 X-UIDL: c5ab664cae8467159ec2147f55e3b949 Status: O X-Status: Of interest to loopers within the context of this thread might be the DenonDN-M2000R which is a minidisc recorder with five cue points per track, hot start, and the same A-B seamless loop playback circutry and front end that is in the DF2500 dual cd playback system. I have been using the equivalent circut in the DMX-1000 "DJ" style mixer just because it has a bunch of real time looping features that I can't get with either my Boomarang, echoplex, or jamman. The interface design is very straight forward and lends itself to interactions that are not simply of the style that the designers intended. This comment worth exactly $.02. Scot Gresham-Lancaster email: scot@csuhayward.edu ph: 510-885-3150 fax: 510-885-3146 www: tesla.csuhayward.edu/~scot = meat tesla.csuhayward.edu/~scot/sglbio.html = bio From ???@??? Fri Jan 16 02:17:59 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 15 17:01:47 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xt0AD-00003K-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:01:37 -0800 Message-Id: <199801152212.PAA32461@hyper.dimensional.com> From: "Scott Bullerwell" To: Subject: Re: MicroSynth Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:07:09 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9b03z.A.ulF.azqv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2287 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:01:37 -0800 X-UIDL: e0909ac9062b3e43f566688803d4770a Status: O X-Status: Matthias Grob said: > Someone gave me one that does not work. If its value is high, it might > motivate me to fix it. > > How much is the offer for a perfectly working one? > > Matthias > I just gave a partially-working one to former listmember Russ Gorton (which I bought new in 1981 for about $200). The street price in the US is as much as $600 per--Bog knows why. Apart from some groovy envelope filtering, it's basically a crappy octaver and crappy fuzz with a noisy footswitch. Scott From ???@??? Fri Jan 16 02:18:50 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 15 21:14:21 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xt46O-0006x4-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:13:56 -0800 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:12:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801152312.SAA10282@newman.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Fresh Vortex spoor (FS) Resent-Message-ID: <"olHaOB.A.fTE._euv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2295 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:13:56 -0800 X-UIDL: e1c33d5b497ba0bd4b0d7944cb5edbed Status: O X-Status: Another Vortex (very fresh post from Harmony): $150 with original box, footswitch and manual mcgiggle@inconnect.com good luck . . . drone on~~~Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Fri Jan 16 02:17:58 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 15 16:38:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xszn1-0005bn-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:37:39 -0800 From: CORROSIVE Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:03:08 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: MicroSynth Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"ekbcjC.A.wIE.piqv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2286 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:37:39 -0800 X-UIDL: bee92537c52317e5038d4e1ba306fb54 Status: O X-Status: Matthias- are U talking about the Electro-Harmonix microsynth? I saw one listed in Jan issue of Vintage guitar magazine for $650, but they usually go for around $450...for some reason the bass microsynth seems to go for a bit more, ya got me why From ???@??? Fri Jan 16 02:18:59 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 16 00:10:12 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xt6qm-0004SJ-00; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:10:00 -0800 Message-ID: <34BEADFF.711C@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:46:55 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Data compression, twitch factors, knee jerks and God References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"B3cyID.A.yND.4Nxv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2298 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:10:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 913913b5f70ea73a5968363c639d8f80 Status: O X-Status: Fmplautus wrote: > Here's a question. A few years down the road could a musical aesthetic (read > movement) rise up around those darned hissy four track cassette tape decks > some are about to trash for the latest and the greatest? > We're standing by. This has already been going on for many years as part of the whole so-called "lo-fi" movement in alternative/independent rock, where the distinctive sonic signature of cassette multi-tracks is not only a prevelant characteristic, but a highly desirable one as well. This "lack" of sonic quality is a prized element of the whole aesthetic. It's also, in some cases, tied in to a philosophical reaction against conventional ideas of demo tape-vs.-"real album" fidelity, major label production standards, the reliance on having to have a certain amount of technology to make a "serious" statement, etc. Likewise, the tremendous rise of sample-CDs (compact discs filled with short snippets of beats and sounds, intended to be sampled in the studio and used for song production) over the last few years reflects a similar fixation with impure sound. A lot of what a person is buying on those CDs is a certain unclean, artifact-ridden quality (which, ironically, is often constructed for those CDs through elaborate and extensive in-studio doctoring) that's hard to get from a straight drum machine or synthesizer. In related areas, you can look at something like the Roland VS-880 hard disk recorder, which actually has an effect built into it called "Lo-Fi Processor." This is a multi-stage effect which operates upon the all-digital signal flow of the VS-880, which allows you to dial in lower sampling frequencies and bit rates, introduce digital distortion, and emphasize all manner of aliasings and frequencies. In short, you've got a cutting edge modern processor going to great pains to sound like a low-quality sampler from a decade ago. Some stand-alone effects processors offer similar functions, and I remember reading a review of one which actually had a "patch" that delivered a steady stream of sound emulating the crackling of a stylus on a worn piece of vinyl. It's been interesting to see the way that the playing field for what constitutes "commercially acceptable" sound has levelled out over the past decade, with the advent of both the hip-hop/electronic side of things as well as the "grunge" movement. At this point, a guy with one decent sampler, a good mixing board, and some kind of rudminentary sequencer can record music in his home studio that's on par with most of the records in the techno/ambient/electronic genre. The much-acclaimed DJ Shadow record from 1996, for instance, created from nothing but samples from vinyl records, was made using one turntable, an modest AKAI MPC-series drum machine/sampler unit, and one 8-track ADAT unit. There wasn't even a standalone sequencer or computer involved. Likewise, the advent of the post-Brendan O'Brian/Steve Albini/Butch Vig school of rock production means that a lot of guitar-oriented bands are more able to get a mainstream-approved sound for a lower amount of money, because the sort of sound that you hear on a Pearl Jam or Nirvana record simply doesn't require the same sort of big-budget studio polish that you'd need in order to make a circa-1987 Def Leppard or Whitesnake album. (I recall a quote from the producer of the first Counting Crows album, who told the band, "You've made a demo that sounds like an album. Now you need to make an album that sounds like a demo.") A lot of alternative rock acts who started out independant before signing with a major label wind up getting their original independent releases reissued by the majors, either straight or in remixed form, because the current standard for the sound of rock records is "lower" in the audiophile/_Stereo Review_ sort of sense than it was a decade ago. Of course, fetishism with imperfection gets taken to some bizarre and arguably obscene stages, as with the Fender Custom Shop line of "relic" guitars, an expensive (well over the $1,000 price point) line of new instruments which have been "aged" at the factory through the application of artificial rust, holes in the paint job, and other types of pseudo-wear and tear which provide the cosmetic illusion of a vintage instrument on a newly-manufactured item. The company boasts, "No two Relic guitars are aged in precisely the same way!" --Andre From ???@??? Fri Jan 16 02:18:39 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 15 19:33:36 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xt2Wz-0003Er-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:33:17 -0800 Message-ID: <046801bd221a$d2a402e0$60f1ffd0@default> From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Re: Re: MicroSynth Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:05:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"xs9bHB.A.9i.A-sv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2290 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:33:17 -0800 X-UIDL: aace36af28b80e1642bdbc53d9afe9aa Status: O X-Status: I used to own the E-H Guitar Synth, a 3- space rack mounted super-duper version of the Microsynth..I sold this for an embarrassingly small amount about 6 years ago. It was quite a horrific beast that made equally bizzaro noises. I think Steve Howe used one on the first ASIA album. Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 >Matthias- are U talking about the Electro-Harmonix microsynth? I saw one >listed in Jan issue of Vintage guitar magazine for $650, but they usually go >for around $450...for some reason the bass microsynth seems to go for a bit >more, ya got me why > From ???@??? Fri Jan 16 02:18:47 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 15 20:48:40 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xt3hS-000424-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:48:10 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199801160158.RAA19919@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Dimension Beam To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:58:55 -0800 (PST) Cc: stickwire-l@netcom.com In-Reply-To: <199801152212.PAA32461@hyper.dimensional.com> from "Scott Bullerwell" at Jan 15, 98 03:07:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_CfqyC.A.UUB.3Fuv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2293 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:48:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 5c0df78eda3bdb019e7466d4eb93f7d4 Status: O X-Status: How's this for a weird, new, yet cool MIDI controller: Dimension Beam http://www.interactivelight.com/db/ It generates an egg-shaped force field which senses movement and translates it to MIDI. Some famous users: Nick of Duran Duran - puts it atop his keyboard rack and activates it by leaning into the force field. Trey Gunn - Controls his effects parameters by moving in and out of the field, waving his headstock throught it, etc. while playing his Warr Guitar. Peter Gabriel - Uses it in his studio to bring in sounds literally out of the air, it being connected to his synths, samplers, etc. And I thought the Theremin was cool..... Cheers, Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Jan 16 02:18:46 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 15 20:43:24 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xt3ch-0003UK-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:43:15 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980116040442.00cc49b4@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:04:42 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: freedom, syncing and quantization Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"3RaJAD.A.Bd.J_tv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2292 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:43:15 -0800 X-UIDL: 81ba1cf5382b3363f4247eafa11bcec3 Status: O X-Status: At 05:15 PM 1/15/98 -0300, Matthias Grob wrote: >Does anyone use the Quantize feature of the Plex? (I understood there is a >equivalent on the JamMan with a name I do not remember) >I guess Q level it mainly interesting to work in planned "organized" music, >where you treat bars and measures. I use the quantize function a lot these days. Originally I liked it because it helped me execute functions more accurately while playing guitar. I don't play guitar with loops so much these days (or much at all actually), I'm following some muse into more percussively oriented electronic dance music. It's organized in the sense that you are often concerned about maintaining a beat and keeping things aligned according to measure and section, which means a heavy use of midi clock for syncing. In my case the planned aspect mostly ends there, as I'm experimenting with taking a more improvised approach to it rather than sequencing every last millisecond. But I still want to keep the tempo and beat steady, and not have those things fly out of my control. For this, quantized loop functions are great. It's very easy to record things played in real time and get a loop sync'd with the sequence and aligned with the first beat of the pattern. Since I'm also manipulating the mixer or effects parameters, or triggering drum samples or something, it's incredibly handy to be able to press the record or multiply or whatever function when it is convenient, and know that it is going to come in exactly when it is supposed to. I can finish the function in the same way, by pressing when it is convenient, and the plex ends the function quantized to the end of the sequenced patterns. I can then go about manipulating this loop, effecting it, mixing it in and out, generally terrorizing it, but keeping it in time the way I want. As an example, I have the loopers on aux sends of the mixer, synced to midi clock from a sequencer. I like to take a loop of the drums and reverse it, mixing the reverse in and out with the original. First I start the sequence and then record a loop of its output, which is very convenient because everything is sync'd and quantized to the first beat of the pattern. I just hit record any time, and it starts at the right moment. I hit it again when I've got as much as I want, and it waits to end of the measure to end for me. Easy! The two are sync'd, aligned, running along next to each other. Then I hit reverse on the echoplex. The quantizing waits to the end of the measure before reversing the loop. So now the reversed drums are going, still sync'd to the original and aligned to the measures. Then I go nuts with the faders, bringing reversed drum hits in and out, using quick crossfades between the two, or whatever, creating a new pattern of reverse and forward drums. I might then use multiply to add some real-time playing to the loop, put it back forwards, and mix between the new loop and the old pattern. Or change patterns, or whatever. I'll use NextLoop to record several different loops like this, and it's all quantized and in time with the clock and lined up with other echoplexes and the sequencer. I can do quantized switches between all the loops, while mostly concentrating on the mixer, effects, and playing, and it all stays in time where I want it. There's tons of possibilities, and I'm only just beginning to explore it with a rather rudimentary setup. Without quantize I would never be able to execute the loop functions perfectly enough to keep it all together. With quantize it's a snap, and I can concentrate on doing other things while the looper does it's job on it's own. As a more advanced technique, I also like to set the echoplexes to time signatures different from the sequence and each other. Then I capture the drum pattern from the sequencer in different time signatures, and run it next to the original. So I might have the original in 4/4 and the loop in 13/8. Running them next to each other gives a constantly shifting rhythm pattern that can be very interesting. By controlling the mix you can easily change which one dominates, effectively morphing from one time signature to another. Quantize is again a life saver here, because I can execute loop functions without the beat getting out of whack. What's also interesting is the quantize point changes against the original sequence. It's still in time, just at a different beat each time through. So you can keep things evolving. so anyway, I'm a quantizing fan! now back to the boring work.... kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Fri Jan 16 10:10:01 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 16 06:49:10 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xtD52-0002AS-00; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 06:49:08 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:18:18 +0300 Message-ID: <000090C6.4007@poyry.com.br> From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) Subject: Re[2]: MicroSynth To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Tom Lambrecht Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"_GjnhC.A.SkB.tH3v0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2305 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 06:49:08 -0800 X-UIDL: ee21da8c9ccdc34151b51377c3058553 Status: O X-Status: For the Electro Harmonix admirers: there is a site with all the schematics. http://home.earthlink.net/~theehman/schem.htm#Electro-Harmonix Miguel ___________________________ Separador de Resposta ______________________________ Assunto: Re: MicroSynth Autor: Tom Lambrecht na internet Data: 16/01/1998 04:15 Matthias: if you are going to try to make a killing on this, now is a good time to fix it. this is one of two units that EH has scheduled for reissue (which will probably adversely impact the used market price). Tom At 03:07 PM 1/15/98 -0700, you wrote: > >Matthias Grob said: > >> Someone gave me one that does not work. If its value is high, it might >> motivate me to fix it. >> >> How much is the offer for a perfectly working one? >> >> Matthias >> > > >I just gave a partially-working one to former listmember Russ Gorton (which >I bought new in 1981 for about $200). The street price in the US is as >much as $600 per--Bog knows why. Apart from some groovy envelope >filtering, it's basically a crappy octaver and crappy fuzz with a noisy >footswitch. > >Scott > > > > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Fri Jan 16 02:18:57 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 15 23:17:33 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xt61t-0006rv-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:17:25 -0800 From: CORROSIVE Message-ID: <492f1f61.34bf0551@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 01:59:27 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: MicroSynth Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"MVfIJ.A.2lE.nVwv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2296 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:17:25 -0800 X-UIDL: e264dd225ebee1b4c430c23d54771e9c Status: O X-Status: Dave- I'm VERY interested in your impression of the big 3 rack space EH guitar synth, if you would be so kind- I'm a big collector of EH stuff (have been since '75 when I bought my first big muff mail order...) I have most of the usual suspects, but have never even seen the big gtr synth in real life & I'd really enjoy hearing your review. thanks!>>>greg horn From ???@??? Fri Jan 16 02:19:00 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 16 00:58:05 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xt7bF-0001YJ-00; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:58:01 -0800 Message-ID: <05f201bd225b$f7204f20$60f1ffd0@default> From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Re: Re: Re: MicroSynth Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 03:51:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"grU4s.A.4r.P9xv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2299 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:58:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 351517b265e7d7319b276e5253780db1 Status: O X-Status: Greg and the rest... The E-H Guitar Synthesizer that I owned was indeed 3 rack spaces, but since I got rid of it a few years ago, I'll try to remember the features.. -Input w/LED -2 tunable oscillators, each with resonance, tuning, fine tuning and volume controls..you could also 'sync' their tuning to each other, and switch between saw tooth and triangle waveforms -1 additional oscillator that was tuned an octave above the input signal. -chorus (no controls, just on or off) not bad sounding, a very subtle effect..i believe it was just for the direct signal... -fuzz (on or off)...this sounded quite square wave-y to me, but was cool with some outboard reverb...this was also for the direct guitar sound -VCA ..this was cool for volume envelop changes.... There were probably a few more little things, but I can't seem to remember this late at night. They originally went for about $1000, mine was bought from my guitar teacher in the mid 80's for about $400, The overall sound reminded me of a Minimoog through a distortion pedal, not clean enough to simulate a bass, and since it was monophonic, it did cool mistracking sounds quite well. I could also get a pretty good Belew-like elephantine scream out of it. The unit was black, with white lines and legends, and had direct and synth out. Hate to think what its worth today..if anyone needs more info or has questions, let me know. Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 From ???@??? Fri Jan 16 02:19:02 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 16 01:22:57 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xt7zJ-00044N-00; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 01:22:53 -0800 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 04:15:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801160915.EAA02653@mcfeely.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: MicroSynth Resent-Message-ID: <"CqBxzB.A.-ED.zUyv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2300 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 01:22:53 -0800 X-UIDL: ee9ee19a98933414f574c2571fe9dbed Status: O X-Status: Matthias: if you are going to try to make a killing on this, now is a good time to fix it. this is one of two units that EH has scheduled for reissue (which will probably adversely impact the used market price). Tom At 03:07 PM 1/15/98 -0700, you wrote: > >Matthias Grob said: > >> Someone gave me one that does not work. If its value is high, it might >> motivate me to fix it. >> >> How much is the offer for a perfectly working one? >> >> Matthias >> > > >I just gave a partially-working one to former listmember Russ Gorton (which >I bought new in 1981 for about $200). The street price in the US is as >much as $600 per--Bog knows why. Apart from some groovy envelope >filtering, it's basically a crappy octaver and crappy fuzz with a noisy >footswitch. > >Scott > > > > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Fri Jan 16 02:17:56 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 15 15:21:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xsybH-0006aa-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:21:27 -0800 X-From_:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Thu Jan 15 15:21:25 1998 Old-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:31:44 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: CD recorders In-Reply-To: <34BE73F4.456C16E2@magelang.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"bvUhXB.A.5IG.knpv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2284 Precedence: list X-Diagnostic: /usr/lib/sendmail Loopers-Delight-dist@annihilist.com failed X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:21:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 77a24f33256c9d2bda970f7e5cc43e57 Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Jim Coker wrote: > Something you might want to keep in mind is the cost of CD-RW blanks, > which I think are $10 or more, whereas you can get blank CD-Rs for > $2.50 in qty of 50 or more (with a jewel box). I got a Sony 2x recorder > from APS (w/ Toast) for $400 a couple months ago and it works > great. Most (if not all) CD-RW drives will write both types of media, but obviously the RW ability will only work on the RW media. Prices on the CDR media are still dropping. I bought a 10 pack of generic unlabeled discs with jewel cases for $20 at Best Buy when I bought my drive last week. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Fri Jan 16 02:17:57 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 15 16:01:52 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xszEE-0002QO-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:01:42 -0800 X-From_:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Thu Jan 15 16:01:15 1998 From: Marzzz Message-ID: <705c0913.34be93f3@aol.com> Old-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:55:42 EST To: tomroady@telalink.net, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New Echoplex Pro owner Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"vv1Z5C.A.QOC.KNqv0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2285 Precedence: list X-Diagnostic: /usr/lib/sendmail Loopers-Delight-dist@annihilist.com failed X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:01:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 149a9c654efec8094f1338b7f532e445 Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 1/15/98 11:06:57 AM, you wrote: >My name is Tom Roady. I am a studio percussionist in Nashville Tn. Wow! I'm mostly a lurker here (my Echoplex is on order) and a lot of the people here tend to be guitar-oriented. I would love to hear about the uses a percussionist has for the Echoplex! Would you please elaborate? Thanks, Marshall From ???@??? Sat Jan 17 02:53:43 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 17 02:21:13 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xtVNA-0002cx-00; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 02:21:04 -0800 Message-Id: <199801161632.IAA08526@scv3.apple.com> Subject: Re: Looping with sequencers.. Date: Fri, 16 Jan 98 10:32:44 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"ErJN1D.A.N1B.OTIw0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2318 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 02:21:04 -0800 X-UIDL: be0f2f472fb686bb7bde233cf7423c38 Status: O X-Status: >does anyone use a sequencer for looping???? I do, and i'm wondering where >the line is, i mean, most of our delays are digital, too...hmmmm. > >I just hit record (like kicking on one of my delays) on a roland msq100 or >700, play a live, usually spontaneous idea till i want..(end of loop) - >then i hit stop and play, then let the material loop once or >indefinitely.... > >is it looping??? i'd like to hear some thoughts on that, some >opinions...maybe i've missed it, but haven't heard of anyone using this >tool, sequencers have a bad name due to madonna and certain rush songs on >stage, etc I started doing this recently, that is, using a sequencer for looping. It's a good way to build up drum tracks, particularly if you're not a drummer. You're limited as to the number of notes you can have present (well, I guess you always are), since you have to have enough voices on your sound module to play back all your midi loopage, so things might not get as dense as with a delay recording the actual audio, but the advantages of being to sync, edit, and store the loops definitely makes it worthwhile. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Sat Jan 17 02:53:38 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 17 01:52:42 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xtUve-0006LD-00; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 01:52:38 -0800 Message-Id: <199801161702.JAA07292@scv2.apple.com> Subject: Re: Data compression, twitch factors, knee jerks and God Date: Fri, 16 Jan 98 11:03:01 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"I6aWyD.A.nRF.U4Hw0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2316 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 01:52:38 -0800 X-UIDL: ad1b65c5c504011866fcfa734102a87e Status: O X-Status: >>All compression, analog or digital, represents a loss of information. >>All professional recordings are compressed in several ways before the >>final product reaches the consumer. Despite this, music still finds its >>way into the world. > >I don't actually care very much about this particular debate, but this >sounded a little confused. I suspect you're not actually confused, but >anyway: > >The kind of compression appearing in all those professional recordings is >dynamic compression, normally inflicted by a box called a compressor. >Usually rather useful. You're right in that I'm not confused about the differences between computer-file type compression, lossy or otherwise, and analog compression, but I do mean that there is a loss of information either way. When you use an audio compressor, such as a dbx unit, you're discarding the dynamic information in the original signal to even out the overall level. This is neither good nor bad, just desirable or undesirable depending on the situation. You gain smoothness while losing touch dynamics. Anyone who's recorded a singer, particularly a singer with poor mic technique has discovered that compression can be used to get rid of annoying level jumps as the singer's mouth moves closer or further from the mic. Likewise, many a drummer has found the dynamics of their playing obliderated by zealous compression and gating of the kit in order to give a punchier, constant drum sound. I also agree that the MD discussion is taking on the "digital vs. analog" overtones, but I also don't want to see a very useful technology maligned unnecessarily. Most of the technology I use in looping is 8-10 years old. I'm talking eight and twelve-bit sampling delays, eighties-era preamps, sequencing software that runs on a Mac Plus, etc. I get plenty of work done with the old stuff, even with its sonic and design limitations, and sometimes because of those limitations, so to see someone dismiss MD with "Lossy compression? I'll have none of it!" disturbs me. I found an old issue of Musician the other day, and there was an article about the advantages and disadvantages of mixing and mastering to DAT. Actually, it was more about how DAT was a completely unprofessional format which produced results which pained the engineers to discuss. How times change. Even though there is a movement back to (and some people never left) mixing to two-track analog, DAT is accepted as a professional option for mixdown. Now, I'm not saying that MD is a professional mixing option, but it's quite definitely a valid tool for home recording, despite the compression scheme. Peace, love, and lots of feedback, Travis From ???@??? Fri Jan 16 10:09:41 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 16 03:46:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xtAEg-0001pj-00; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 03:46:54 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199801151817.KAA25716@scv1.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 03:23:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Data compression, twitch factors, knee jerks and God Resent-Message-ID: <"ITtNXB.A.lOB.0b0v0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2303 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 03:46:54 -0800 X-UIDL: b04180b34d7381c535d2b5df83cf0aa6 Status: O X-Status: Travis said: >All compression, analog or digital, represents a loss of information. >All professional recordings are compressed in several ways before the >final product reaches the consumer. Despite this, music still finds its >way into the world. I don't actually care very much about this particular debate, but this sounded a little confused. I suspect you're not actually confused, but anyway: The kind of compression appearing in all those professional recordings is dynamic compression, normally inflicted by a box called a compressor. Usually rather useful. This is totally different from the sort of compression talked about with MiniDisc technology. That is data compression, which is used to squeeze the digitally encoded data into a smaller space. Data compression comes in two basic flavors, lossless and "lossy." With the lossless type, as you would expect, you compress it into a smaller space, and then decompress it and you get exactly the same data you started with. You can only compress things so far this way. Lossy compression, which MD uses, takes advantage of deficiencies in human senses. With audio, your ears are not very good at hearing certain parts of a complex audio waveform. "Masking" for example, is a phenomenon where a dominant frequency will prevent you from hearing slightly higher frequencies. Lossy compression algorithms look for these situations and remove them from the audio, which allows the data to be compressed much smaller. The idea is that it is removing parts you can't hear anyway, to aid in the compression. When you decompress it, those parts are gone. You can take this to various extremes to achieve greater amounts of compression. As you achieve higher data compression ratios, the quality of the audio continues to degrade and becomes increasingly noticeable to the listener. I would imagine that MD is well below the point where most people would notice. On the other hand, anybody can hear the degradation in a RealAudio file encoded for a 28.8 modem rate. This sort of compression is also done in the very cheap samplers out from Boss and Yamaha. Whether you care about this, is of course up to you. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Jan 16 10:09:50 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 16 05:47:04 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xtC6w-0001Lu-00; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 05:47:02 -0800 From: Andre Cholmodeley Message-Id: <199801161340.IAA16351@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: To: Subject: Looping with sequencers.. Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:40:41 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GP041D.A.9w.cN2v0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2304 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 05:47:02 -0800 X-UIDL: b39e3a0bfbdc78778dfa291acbd70f87 Status: O X-Status: does anyone use a sequencer for looping???? I do, and i'm wondering where the line is, i mean, most of our delays are digital, too...hmmmm. I just hit record (like kicking on one of my delays) on a roland msq100 or 700, play a live, usually spontaneous idea till i want..(end of loop) - then i hit stop and play, then let the material loop once or indefinitely.... is it looping??? i'd like to hear some thoughts on that, some opinions...maybe i've missed it, but haven't heard of anyone using this tool, sequencers have a bad name due to madonna and certain rush songs on stage, etc From ???@??? Sat Jan 17 00:17:09 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 16 11:04:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xtH3t-0003PR-00; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:04:13 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199801161340.IAA16351@shell.monmouth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:35:25 -0800 To: , From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looping with sequencers.. Resent-Message-ID: <"fRMIn.A.l_B.zx6v0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2307 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:04:13 -0800 X-UIDL: d07a89fa51b9eaaf16e531af8c07cffb Status: O X-Status: At 8:40 AM -0500 1/16/98, Andre Cholmodeley wrote: >does anyone use a sequencer for looping???? I do, and i'm wondering where >the line is, i mean, most of our delays are digital, too...hmmmm. > >I just hit record (like kicking on one of my delays) on a roland msq100 or >700, play a live, usually spontaneous idea till i want..(end of loop) - >then i hit stop and play, then let the material loop once or >indefinitely.... > >is it looping??? i'd like to hear some thoughts on that, some >opinions...maybe i've missed it, but haven't heard of anyone using this >tool, sequencers have a bad name due to madonna and certain rush songs on >stage, etc I think that's looping, but then I'm well known for not being much of a purist on the subject. I don't think it really matters how the sound happens to be generated. What difference does it make if it starts out as a midi event, or audio recorded in digital memory, or a tape loop, or some big mechanical apparatus, or a turntable, or just your fingers? The ultimate conceptual loopiness of the end product is the key thing, the other stuff is just the tools to get there. The kind of sequencer that records by looping over a pattern, recording everything played into it while playing what's already there, that sounds like looping to me! Usually the features aren't very well optimized for the performance, but it seems like it could work ok. Another example, I downloaded the Rebirth demo a while back, which is basically a simulation of 2 TB-303's and a TR-808, with some filtering, distortion, and delay effects. It has the same basic, stupid kind of sequencing that those boxes had in their day. And it's great for real-time looping stuff. (assuming you like the very well-worn sounds that it makes.) You just start it up and begin adding things to the sequence, taking them out again, playing with the filters, changing levels, etc. Pretty fun. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Jan 17 00:17:08 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 16 10:52:17 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xtGsA-000241-00; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:52:06 -0800 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C291F80FE@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Sellon, Bob (Exchange)" To: Loopers Delight Subject: Email Avalanch/routing Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:36:02 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"Yadro.A.qt.9l6v0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2306 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:52:06 -0800 X-UIDL: d1024f89c0578347f77cce506308d932 Status: O X-Status: Does anyone know how to route "Loopers-Delight" email to a particular folder under Microsoft Exhange (V5.0)? I tried using the Inbox Assistant but couldn't seem to get it to work. It always seems to look at the originators address instead of LoopersDelight. The sheer volume of messages is killing me and I would rather not "unsubscribe" if I can get the messages sent quietly to my LoopersDelight folder. Many thanks. Bob Sellon Engineer Lexicon/Stec From ???@??? Sat Jan 17 00:17:22 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 16 12:46:47 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xtIf1-0006Dj-00; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:46:39 -0800 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:32:17 -0500 From: Michael Peters Subject: RE: Email Avalanch/routing Sender: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199801161533_MC2-2F94-F203@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"_XoEeC.A.loE.SR8v0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2308 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:46:39 -0800 X-UIDL: 5a173608992f67187e78fa304789052e Status: O X-Status: >Does anyone know how to route "Loopers-Delight" >email to a particular folder under Microsoft >Exhange (V5.0)? I tried using the Inbox Assistant I haven't managed to install the Inbox Assistant either. Maybe you need to run your mail client in a network under Exchange Server. ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm From ???@??? Sat Jan 17 00:17:30 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 16 14:33:11 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xtKK1-0001ej-00; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:33:05 -0800 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:59:07 -0500 (EST) From: CORROSIVE@aol.com Message-ID: <980116165907_608065895@mrin52> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: MicroSynth Resent-Message-ID: <"FLovkB.A.qL.Py9v0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2310 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:33:05 -0800 X-UIDL: c22b8e342d3789478aa74bf98246c579 Status: O X-Status: Tom-what's the other EH unit scheduled for re-issue? the 16 sec delay?? when?!! gimme!! From ???@??? Sat Jan 17 00:17:29 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 16 14:04:26 1998 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xtJrz-0006db-00; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:04:07 -0800 Message-ID: <34BFD879.8E2000EF@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:00:26 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andre@monmouth.com CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping with sequencers.. References: <199801161340.IAA16351@shell.monmouth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JGy8CD.A.ZqE.fX9v0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2309 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:04:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 8c86d5f96d97f5c51419864d9088be31 Status: O X-Status: Hey ya'll,Interesting thought,one of the most common responses that I get when I loop live is;where are the tape recorders!Very few people seem to know anything about the means of achieving the effect of multiple players using digital delays,let alone sequencers. My favorite show every year is when my band Techno Babble plays the annual Jolly Elementery School PTA fundraising event,the kids just seem to accept the sound on it's own merit and dance to the music with out questioning how it is being done.Personally I don't care how either,if it moves me I like it. Jeff Duke sr. TecBabLabs;http://members.tripod.com/~dukesr/index.html Andre Cholmodeley wrote: > does anyone use a sequencer for looping???? I do, and i'm wondering where > the line is, i mean, most of our delays are digital, too...hmmmm. > > I just hit record (like kicking on one of my delays) on a roland msq100 or > 700, play a live, usually spontaneous idea till i want..(end of loop) - > then i hit stop and play, then let the material loop once or > indefinitely.... > > is it looping??? i'd like to hear some thoughts on that, some > opinions...maybe i've missed it, but haven't heard of anyone using this > tool, sequencers have a bad name due to madonna and certain rush songs on > stage, etc From ???@??? Sat Jan 17 00:18:08 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 16 19:50:45 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xtPHG-0006Rm-00; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:50:34 -0800 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:41:05 GMT Message-Id: <199801162241.WAA16269@phyleus.interlinx.qc.ca> X-Sender: erich@interlinx.qc.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: erich kory Subject: Re: Hello... Hello! Resent-Message-ID: <"JretpD.A.BGF.jhCw0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2312 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:50:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 501aefd4dd6ef2f657a5df2dc74514fb Status: O X-Status: Hey there Corynne, My history is about the same except i play the cello and have been very successful at touring here and in Europe with solo concerts using looping as a base for alot of my compositions-improvizations..... If you like check out my site at http://kspace.com/kory i just saw an echoplex for sale yesterday on this chat-email line. if you have trouble to find it ,let me know. good luck and have fun! erich@interlinx.qc.ca >> >> Hello, I've just joined the looper's delight list earlier this week and >have been listening to some the conversation back and forth. Now that I >have some time, I wanted to write and just say "hi". I've been involved >with looping for at least seven years now and am glad to have been made >aware of this list. I think it can be a wonderful resource... >> My first introduction to loops was from hearing Brian Eno and Robert >Fripp with Frippertronics. I'd beeen working with delays before that >point, however, they were not long enough to do any substancial loops in my >opinion. I unfortunately didn't have the money or the sources to find a >couple of tape machines I could use so, I was still out in the cold... I >then heard about the electro-harmonix peddal that had 16 seconds of >sampling time and was reversable. From that point on, I was on a quest to >find a peddal which was afordable and could achieve what I needed. What I >found was the PDS8000 from digitech which worked quite nicely for a while >but did not have the frequency response I was looking for. I then moved up >to the RDS8000 which is the rack-mounted version of the same. It actually >has a few more features than the peddal... Oh, by the way, for those who >aren't familiar with those two things, they had a sampling time of eight >seconds. I then heard about the Jam-Man and got one immediately when they >came out and proceded immediately also to upgrade it fully. I've used the >Lexicon ever since and I love it! I'm currently looking to get an Oberheim >Echo-plex digital pro. >> Anyway, enough about the gear... I am currently living in Boulder >Colorado and don't find to many people here who know much about, or do much >with looping. I work in a music store and currently teach guitar there >also so if there's any place to meet musicians here, I'm there... If >there's anyone in my area, please don't hesitate to write me. I like lots >of different types of music so I'm open to just about anything... >> Thanks again for the existance of this list, as loopers seem sparce to >me where ever I am in the country. It's nice to hear that there is some >sort of meeting place for us. I look forward to more interesting e-mail... >> >>smiles, >> >>Corynne >> >>P.S. Are there any other women on this list? > > From ???@??? Sat Jan 17 00:18:09 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 16 20:05:14 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xtPVA-0000FA-00; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:04:56 -0800 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:55:05 GMT Message-Id: <199801162255.WAA16919@phyleus.interlinx.qc.ca> X-Sender: erich@interlinx.qc.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: erich kory Subject: Re: Hello... Hello!...hello!! Resent-Message-ID: <"yw7U2D.A.XiG.guCw0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2313 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:04:56 -0800 X-UIDL: 5b28ed1f02faa61835c7968be4569feb Status: O X-Status: now that i see that everyone gets these messages........ i will introduce myself. i play electric cello and have been an addict of many things, the only remaining being looping. Started about 12 years ago with the digitech double footpedals and now with a combination of jamman and echoplex. Hooked up with MoszŽ Loredo- bass and sampling freak (made demo for the Akai samplers) and we're having some hot times up here in cold Quebec! Love to hook up with any recording projects that might need a little spice. i've been doing session work for many years and can play with just about anything. luv to all you crazy Loopers erich From ???@??? Sat Jan 17 00:18:15 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 16 22:18:32 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xtRa2-0001hS-00; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:18:06 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34BD289E.AE85CAE9@mediaone.com> References: <2.2.32.19980113213814.009b57d4@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 04:02:24 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject:   Resent-Message-ID: <"f_r7qC.A.lc.zmEw0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2314 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:18:06 -0800 X-UIDL: ef3ab665664f8e874f3e42cb76a1716b Status: O X-Status: what does " " mean? Does the guy type that in or is it some code incompatibility thing? From ???@??? Sat Jan 17 02:53:38 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 17 01:39:15 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xtUid-0004es-00; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 01:39:11 -0800 From: JFOG10 Message-ID: <45281c50.34c07aea@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 04:33:28 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: JamMan For Sale!!!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"ctYEe.A.w1D.AsHw0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2315 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 01:39:11 -0800 X-UIDL: bf67205808f6ff9afde66dafbfe00205 Status: O X-Status: Well....I debated whether or not to post this here, as I don't want to fill this list with commercial crap.....but I figured you folks would want to know about this....if this offends....I apologize...and understand Well....it's time for me to move on...I like my Jamman and everything, but am saving for an echoplex......so.....THIS is the one you've been looking for!!!! Full 32 second memory loaded Jamman with pedal, adaptor and manual, near perfect condition ( may have a TINY scratch when I take it out of rack)....hardly used..... Best Offer over $300(plus shipping from Philadelphia) Thanks!!!!! JIM From ???@??? Sat Jan 17 02:53:43 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 17 02:19:57 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xtVM0-0002Tq-00; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 02:19:52 -0800 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: Looping with sequencers.. Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:22:19 +0100 Message-ID: <19980117102218921.AAA182@Default> Resent-Message-ID: <"pnm1SB.A.dqB.-RIw0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2317 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 02:19:52 -0800 X-UIDL: 69bf502ab7d32148b4baddf471623665 Status: O X-Status: >Another example, I downloaded the Rebirth demo a while back, which is >basically a simulation of 2 TB-303's and a TR-808, with some filtering, >distortion, and delay effects. It has the same basic, stupid kind of >sequencing that those boxes had in their day. And it's great for real-time >looping stuff. (assuming you like the very well-worn sounds that it makes.) >You just start it up and begin adding things to the sequence, taking them >out again, playing with the filters, changing levels, etc. Pretty fun. > >kim HI Kim Try Seq 303 (if you have a PC) for more filters and infinite sounds. I discovered the prog last night and it's a killer. E-mail privately if you're interested. ciao leo From ???@??? Sat Jan 17 16:07:08 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 17 03:05:27 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xtW44-0000UR-00; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 03:05:24 -0800 Message-ID: <34C09223.8F1A6643@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 06:12:35 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:   References: <2.2.32.19980113213814.009b57d4@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bhIMFB.A.2C.u9Iw0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2319 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 03:05:24 -0800 X-UIDL: fe6acfda159907c912557b87d7afec6a Status: O X-Status:   is an escape for "" in html isn't it? Matthias Grob wrote: > what does " " mean? > Does the guy type that in or is it some code incompatibility thing? From ???@??? Sat Jan 17 16:07:13 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 17 03:25:37 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xtWNb-000205-00; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 03:25:35 -0800 Message-ID: <34C09738.97AF3FA2@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 06:34:16 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: MicroSynth References: <980116165907_608065895@mrin52> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"I3iNLB.A.8sB.ASJw0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2322 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 03:25:35 -0800 X-UIDL: bb62fb9ca42f8e5545b1d6c4a6e12f84 Status: O X-Status: Amen brother,thats the one I'm waiting for,I had one once,but it died!For all it's limitations it's the Holy Grail of delay's.J.D. CORROSIVE@aol.com wrote: > Tom-what's the other EH unit scheduled for re-issue? the 16 sec delay?? > when?!! gimme!! From ???@??? Sat Jan 17 16:07:17 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 17 05:22:20 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xtYCW-0000Iy-00; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 05:22:16 -0800 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 08:19:02 -0500 From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re:   In-reply-to: <34C09223.8F1A6643@bellsouth.net> X-Sender: floyd@popmail.voicenet.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <3.0.5.32.19980117081902.007ba1f0@popmail.voicenet.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <2.2.32.19980113213814.009b57d4@pop.chromatic.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"By8Ft.A.HTH.y-Kw0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2323 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 05:22:16 -0800 X-UIDL: 105909f8cde86ef9a8041f713bcfc626 Status: O X-Status: At 06:12 AM 1/17/98 -0500, you wrote: >  is an escape for "" in html isn't it? > >Matthias Grob wrote: > >> what does " " mean? >> Does the guy type that in or is it some code incompatibility thing? > > Nope. It is a non-breaking space. If not used properly, the   can come through uninterpretted. Quite often HTML escape codes need to be terminated with a semi-colon. For example,  Hello would appear just like that. It should be coded as  Hello. " is the " character. From ???@??? Sat Jan 17 16:07:19 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 17 05:51:41 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xtYey-0002Mu-00; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 05:51:40 -0800 Message-ID: <34C0B943.9E0FB05@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 08:59:32 -0500 From: mark sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu Organization: metaliminal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping with sequencers.. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3.0.1.16.19980117124845.0e975676@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vJ71T.A.3BC.3aLw0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2324 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 05:51:40 -0800 X-UIDL: 27215511f23ce8f25bec9ef4aeaf3bbb Status: O X-Status: Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D. wrote: > >>does anyone use a sequencer for looping???? I do, and i'm wondering > where > >>the line is, i mean, most of our delays are digital, too...hmmmm. > Yes I use a sequencer (the on board sequencer on my Ensonic TS-10 keyboard) a lot for determining the length of my loops. The Lexicon JamMan (and I'm sure others) will use the midi clock to determine the end of the loop once you've manually started it. Aside from a few quirks, it works really well. Due to a small "popping" problem that happens at the start/end of the loop due to midi jitter, I'm reconfiguring my rig so that my synth recieves sync from my JamMan after I start a loop. I've done this before and it works well, but you need to be aware of the tempo and loop length if you don't want some crazy tempo surprises. -- -- Mark @ ¿??? IAMNOTHERE c From ???@??? Sat Jan 17 16:08:08 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 17 15:41:21 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xthrb-0006RC-00; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 15:41:19 -0800 X-Sender: breakz@pop.hom.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:37:14 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: breakz@hom.net (David Ferguson) Subject: Re: Roland Paraphonic 505 in need of love... please re: Resent-Message-ID: <"r4TMMC.A.kmF.NBUw0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2329 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 15:41:19 -0800 X-UIDL: 714bfecffa5aa2d840f23cc98d303a30 Status: O X-Status: analogue@hyperreal.org Email these folks, they can help! Daniel >hello everybody, > what's happenin'... > I'm a relatively new addition to the loop-grooop and I'm in need >of a synth-oriented individual to assist me in my synth education. Let >me tell-ya about my stress: > > A couple of years ago my brother gave me an analogue >synth(Roland Paraphonic 505) for my birthday. I thought that was pretty >cool of him. I haven't stopped playing it since. I think this thing >was built in '72, which is four years before I even came into >existence... > so, > > somewhere along the line I got a girlfriend..... I thought she >was pretty cool too, until she dumped (of all things) jack and coke (I >guess??) on that same very keyboard I loved so much.... > > now, > > I've still got the keyboard, got rid of the girlfriend, but >things still don't feel the same... > > My hope is that I will have the good fortune of becoming acquainted >with a "kindred soul" who will happily guide my blind and stumbling 21 >year old body through the mind bending world of synth repair and >maintenance... > >The list of actual "minor" problems is somewhat staggerring, so I won't >bother everyone with the complete stress. However, if anyone is >familiar with this synth and how to make keys stop sticking and knobs >stop making noise e-mail me and I'll be glad to hand out small easily >handled dosages of synth-stress... > >help... > >innerspace@mediaone.net > > >hello everybody, >
    what's happenin'... >
        I'm a relatively new addition >to the loop-grooop and I'm in need of a synth-oriented individual >to assist me in my synth education.  Let me tell-ya about my stress: > >

        A couple of years ago my >brother gave me an analogue synth(Roland Paraphonic 505) for my birthday.  >I thought that was pretty cool of him.  I haven't stopped playing >it since.  I think this thing was built in '72, which is four years >before I even came into existence... >
             >;        >so, > >

        somewhere along the line >I got a girlfriend.....  I thought she was pretty cool too, until >she dumped (of all things) jack and coke (I guess??) on that same very >keyboard I loved so much.... > >

             >        >now, > >

        I've still got the keyboard, >got rid of the girlfriend, but things still don't feel the same... > >

     My hope is that I will have the good fortune >of becoming acquainted with a "kindred soul" who will happily guide my >blind and stumbling 21 year old body through the mind bending world of >synth repair and maintenance... > >

The list of actual "minor" problems is somewhat staggerring, so I won't >bother everyone with the complete stress.  However, if anyone is familiar >with this synth and how to make keys stop sticking and knobs stop making >noise e-mail me and I'll be glad to hand out small easily handled dosages >of synth-stress... > >

help... >
  >

>innerspace@mediaone.net
> From ???@??? Sat Jan 17 16:07:33 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 17 09:37:43 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xtcBf-0005Wc-00; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:37:39 -0800 From: PMimlitsch Message-ID: <64465949.34c0ea25@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:28:03 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan For Sale!!!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"LQBEoC.A.TwE.4rOw0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2325 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:37:39 -0800 X-UIDL: c63a784ac48a4fd846affb2a8902989a Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 1/17/98 4:37:41 AM, you wrote: <> DAMN!!! (or "Gosh Darn" for the PG crowd). Just picked up another one a couple weeks ago- mint condition/good price but no 32 sec upgrade. I'll spread the word but I would guess that by the time you read this you would have already had it sold-hot item. BTW- How's it going? - Paul From ???@??? Sat Jan 17 16:07:55 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 17 12:36:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xteyj-0002Iv-00; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:36:29 -0800 Message-ID: <34C109E3.7849@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:43:31 -0700 From: William Moyer Reply-To: vargo2muse@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping with sequencers.. References: <3.0.1.16.19980117124845.0e975676@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4ieywC.A.WwB.OURw0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2326 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:36:29 -0800 X-UIDL: 0efbaf9dc9f8b037a49dbc936a67dc14 Status: O X-Status: Don't have a Roland MC50 seq., but if its any thing like my computer seq., setting the track length before hand, and using an overdub rather than replace mode should work, particularly if it already has something to fucntion as a click, if you care. ciao, Bill From ???@??? Sat Jan 17 16:07:11 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 17 03:13:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xtWCI-0001BG-00; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 03:13:54 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980117124845.0e975676@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:48:45 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Looping with sequencers.. In-Reply-To: <199801161632.IAA08526@scv3.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"c0WG5C.A.My.eFJw0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2320 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 03:13:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 88caa9c0efd15cafea871c241b5f77cc Status: O X-Status: >>does anyone use a sequencer for looping???? I do, and i'm wondering where >>the line is, i mean, most of our delays are digital, too...hmmmm. I used to use the looping sorta feature on my Roland MC50 (mk1) - hit record, play a few notes, then hit a few buttons together and it loops. Can't layer (that I can recall). Michael From ???@??? Sat Jan 17 16:07:11 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 17 03:15:45 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xtWE2-0001KV-00; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 03:15:42 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980117125057.0e97c970@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:50:57 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Roland ME30 In-Reply-To: <000090C6.4007@poyry.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ewReBB.A.a6.hHJw0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2321 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 03:15:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 330515b1a5304712d99b77cd98c88abb Status: O X-Status: I know this has been discussed a while ago, but a quick sift through the archives has proven fruitless - did anybody actually try using the Phrase Sample feature on the Boss ME30? I see that they're actually using the word "loop" in their webpage... Michael From ???@??? Sat Jan 17 16:07:58 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 17 14:15:16 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xtgWI-0000kT-00; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:15:14 -0800 Message-ID: <34C12BBF.E0B3B87E@mediaone.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:07:59 -0500 From: innerspace@mediaone.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-MOEMW (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Roland Paraphonic 505 in need of love... please re: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------14574A915A07D216B4E303AC" Resent-Message-ID: <"P_xkBC.A.xO.KvSw0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2327 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:15:14 -0800 X-UIDL: df0755703ed4f58284675cbeacfdc629 Status: O X-Status: hello everybody,
    what's happenin'...
        I'm a relatively new addition to the loop-grooop and I'm in need of a synth-oriented individual to assist me in my synth education.  Let me tell-ya about my stress:

        A couple of years ago my brother gave me an analogue synth(Roland Paraphonic 505) for my birthday.  I thought that was pretty cool of him.  I haven't stopped playing it since.  I think this thing was built in '72, which is four years before I even came into existence...
                    so,

        somewhere along the line I got a girlfriend.....  I thought she was pretty cool too, until she dumped (of all things) jack and coke (I guess??) on that same very keyboard I loved so much....

                    now,

        I've still got the keyboard, got rid of the girlfriend, but things still don't feel the same...

     My hope is that I will have the good fortune of becoming acquainted with a "kindred soul" who will happily guide my blind and stumbling 21 year old body through the mind bending world of synth repair and maintenance...

The list of actual "minor" problems is somewhat staggerring, so I won't bother everyone with the complete stress.  However, if anyone is familiar with this synth and how to make keys stop sticking and knobs stop making noise e-mail me and I'll be glad to hand out small easily handled dosages of synth-stress...

help...
 

innerspace@mediaone.net
From ???@??? Sat Jan 17 16:08:03 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 17 15:16:04 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xthT8-0004aL-00; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 15:16:02 -0800 X-Sender: aacamus@pop.hol.fr Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Eudora Light F3.1.3l Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 00:09:40 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Le Quan Ninh Subject: Echoplex functions ? Resent-Message-ID: <"FMaOgC.A.b-D.JqTw0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2328 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 15:16:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 9a8d12ec1663d7d3abe764fdb7631045 Status: O X-Status: Hi, I must confess that I have no experience in using loopers... My questions are : Is the Echoplex allowing to record different loops separately which can be triggered, stopped and retriggered separately ? If not, are there other available machines more powerful in this special function ? Thanks in advance ! Ninh From ???@??? Sat Jan 17 17:02:12 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 17 16:40:23 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xtimj-0002Uc-00; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 16:40:21 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 16:36:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex functions ? Resent-Message-ID: <"tX0s0C.A.LBC.r5Uw0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2330 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 16:40:21 -0800 X-UIDL: d5f5ee0cf8782cd534188d1ecff028e7 Status: O X-Status: At 12:09 AM +0100 1/18/98, Le Quan Ninh wrote: >Hi, > >I must confess that I have no experience in using loopers... My questions >are : > > >Is the Echoplex allowing to record different loops separately which can be >triggered, stopped and retriggered separately ? yes, the Echoplex can have nine separate loops in memory, which can all be triggered, retriggered etc. like with a sampler. When triggering with midi you have velocity sensitivity and several different types of triggering options. There are also copy, control, and sync options for multiple loops that are very useful for performing with them. It is effectively monophonic, so only one loop plays at a time. Unlike a typical sampler though, the functions like overdub, multiply, and copy let you add things to the loop in real time in such a way that you get a sort of limited polyphonic effect. On most samplers, overdubbing in real-time is either not available or very difficult, which is why looping devices like jamman, echoplex, boomerang, etc are very popular for performance applications. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon Jan 19 10:07:37 1998 >From kflint Sun Jan 18 19:04:40 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xu7Vv-0005bF-00; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 19:04:39 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980118200716.007c2b80@mnl.sequel.net> X-Sender: chrisone@mnl.sequel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:07:16 +0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "[ C H R I S ]" Subject: Looping with sequencers.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"sfHM5B.A.C0E.aFsw0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2336 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 19:04:39 -0800 X-UIDL: 2f27f7027f39767fd72c0ff7b79d2304 Status: O X-Status: I don't have that much harware but I have the software. I use CoolEdit to edit, chop and layer my sounds. I don't have a midi connection, so I use FasttrackerII to sequence my loops. Does anybdy else on this list use Trackers/MOD's? They are great if you don't really have the cash for equipmet. For other software Synthesis, check out SubSynth, Vaz, Orangtor, Alcomp and Defractor. C H R I S "If I get one more person who comes to me and complain about that computer music has no soul I will be furious!" - Bjork From ???@??? Sun Jan 18 13:55:54 1998 >From kflint Sun Jan 18 07:09:08 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xtwLT-0002WV-00; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 07:09:07 -0800 Message-ID: <34C21B63.F965F88E@umich.edu> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 10:10:29 -0500 From: david friday Reply-To: musfri@umich.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: Echoplex 5.0 upgrade References: <347BB282.59E9@bway.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------7099D0D9198B8A4E2C435A06" Resent-Message-ID: <"9IMTLB.A.UGC.1mhw0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2331 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 07:09:07 -0800 X-UIDL: c8ef58137bed2e5a87c246a9cbefe34d Status: O X-Status: dmgraph wrote: > Does anyone have precise details concerning the Echoplex 5.0 upgrade? > Pat Murphy at Oberheim told me they are about to burn the ROMs and that > they should be available in a couple of weeks for $45. At the moment > I'm most concerned about enhanced sync-from-MIDI-clock capabilities. > Kim? Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for david friday Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" Attachment converted: shards o' data:vcard.vcf (TEXT/R*ch) (00000BA3) From ???@??? Sun Jan 18 13:56:11 1998 >From kflint Sun Jan 18 09:01:42 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xty6O-0000nw-00; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 09:01:40 -0800 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:52:22 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: Re: Looping with sequencers.. Sender: R & T Cummings To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199801181152_MC2-2FC4-17BD@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"sRB7JB.A.2QH.mOjw0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2332 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 09:01:40 -0800 X-UIDL: 8028ba01d90c5c14c7d2f69f34a2104e Status: O X-Status: >>Another example, I downloaded the Rebirth demo a while back, which is >>basically a simulation of 2 TB-303's and a TR-808, with some filtering, >>distortion, and delay effects. It has the same basic, stupid kind of >>sequencing that those boxes had in their day. And it's great for real-time >>looping stuff. (assuming you like the very well-worn sounds that it makes.) >>You just start it up and begin adding things to the sequence, taking them >>out again, playing with the filters, changing levels, etc. Pretty fun. >> >>kim >HI Kim >Try Seq 303 (if you have a PC) for more filters and infinite sounds. I >discovered the prog last night and it's a killer. E-mail privately if you're >interested. Hello loopers, I found found another great toy out there - a TB-303 analog syth emulator. One of the cool things about this one is that is works in real-time (i.e. the oscillator, filter parameters etc. can be changed in real-time without a sound delay), which isn't usually the case with PC synthies. Neddless to say, I've been skipping sleep the last few days ;-) This puppy is called VAZ (for PC) and a freeware version is available at http://www.software-technology.com The full version (VAZ plus - which I haven't bought yet) offers multimode filter, portamento, ring modulator, up to 8 sequencer patterns, patch storage and even polyphony - sounds like even less sleep... ... and I'm not plugging for them Talk to youse all later.... From ???@??? Sun Jan 18 13:56:10 1998 >From kflint Sun Jan 18 09:01:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xty6C-0000mf-00; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 09:01:28 -0800 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:52:26 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: Looking for a compressor Sender: R & T Cummings To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: <199801181152_MC2-2FC4-17C0@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"fb5wd.A.3RH.rOjw0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2333 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 09:01:28 -0800 X-UIDL: 68f219c1b3c14e9a11164b45ab325b81 Status: O X-Status: Hello loopers, I'm *actually* looking for a suitable compressor for my drum'n'percussion loops (despite the recent threads on "lossy compression" etc.). My goal is to even out some of my percussion loops involving varying sound levels (e.g. shakers with cowbells). I suppose that having better microphone technique could also solve some of these *level* problems but as everyone knows, things aren't always so controllable (i.e. self-control) under *live* conditions! I know that the dbx 166A is considered to be somewhat of a classic device - but does anybody know about the new dbx 266? I've also heard about a 4-channel compressor from Behringer but somebody I know once made disparaging remarks about that company's products? Anybody know better? Thanks in advance to anybody who can help me :-) And as they say here in Germany, Tschuess R_T_Cummings@compuserve.com From ???@??? Sun Jan 18 13:56:10 1998 >From kflint Sun Jan 18 09:00:59 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xty5e-0000iY-00; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 09:00:54 -0800 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:52:37 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: Who wants to play a gig with Fripp/Belew? Sender: R & T Cummings To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: <199801181153_MC2-2FC4-17C4@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"walduD.A.wTH.2Ojw0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2334 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 09:00:54 -0800 X-UIDL: f7189ccc6d5a02076d33ba169fd01ca7 Status: O X-Status: How's this all you Tennesee loopers, I received this yesterday on the John Zorn list: >Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:14:50 -0600 >From: Christopher John Moon >Subject: Anyone wanna play with Fripp/Belew?? >Hey, >Does anyone know of any artists who would be interested in playing a show >headlined by a new Robert Fripp/Adrian Belew project in Nashville the week >of Feb. 18-20...it's part of NEA (Nashville's version of CMJ, SXSW, etc...). >Email me with any ideas. Thanks, >Christopher Moon Now goferit! From ???@??? Sun Jan 18 13:56:19 1998 >From kflint Sun Jan 18 12:46:12 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xu1bc-0006II-00; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:46:08 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980118131929.26a795d2@mail.dimensional.com> X-Sender: tanelorn@mail.dimensional.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:19:29 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Scott Subject: Re: Looking for a compressor In-Reply-To: <199801181152_MC2-2FC4-17C0@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"yW4_4D.A.TgF.-imw0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2335 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:46:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 3b0b729eb47b26ef8f8239d54669f46e Status: O X-Status: At 11:52 1/18/98 -0500, R_T_Cummings wrote: >I know that the dbx 166A is considered to be somewhat of a classic >device - but does anybody know about the new dbx 266? I've also >heard about a 4-channel compressor from Behringer but somebody >I know once made disparaging remarks about that company's >products? Anybody know better? I think the Behringer MDX2100 is great compressor--enough control over the compression that you don't have to overdo it (an all-too-common compressor sin) to get good results, and it's very quiet. (I haven't heard the 2400, which is what you're describing.) As for Behringer controversy, they did get in some serious legal trouble with both Mackie and Aphex for design ripoffs--I won't go into the legal and ethical quandaries here. I'd offer that they're like most companies: some good products, some bad products, many quiet afficionados, and some loud enemies. Assuming the warranty is solid (I think it's 5 years), pop down to the local music shop and let your ears decide. Scott From ???@??? Mon Jan 19 22:02:42 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 19 10:18:49 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuLmV-000425-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:18:43 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34C21B63.F965F88E@umich.edu> References: <347BB282.59E9@bway.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:24:59 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex 5.0 upgrade Resent-Message-ID: <"XFY8eB.A.vyC.Nb5w0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2350 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:18:43 -0800 X-UIDL: a5a80e708b3f8dbfb391fcc30215a9b8 Status: O X-Status: At 10:10 AM -0500 1/18/98, david friday wrote: >dmgraph wrote: > >> Does anyone have precise details concerning the Echoplex 5.0 upgrade? >> Pat Murphy at Oberheim told me they are about to burn the ROMs and that >> they should be available in a couple of weeks for $45. At the moment >> I'm most concerned about enhanced sync-from-MIDI-clock capabilities. >> Kim? info on the upgrade is on the Looper's Delight site: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/LoopIII_v5.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon Jan 19 10:07:56 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 19 00:20:03 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuCR6-0000kE-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 00:20:00 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD246E.C9C6E6A0.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'loopers-delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Hello... Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 00:10:58 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"W7N-iB.A.5J.bsww0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2337 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 00:20:00 -0800 X-UIDL: c676a83b564a61107c34bf1ea6b45c48 Status: O X-Status: >From Corynne: >Hello, I've just joined the looper's delight list earlier this week...[snip] Welcome abroad! (oops... aboard) . I just signed on a few months ago, myself. >I'm currently looking to get an Oberheim Echo-plex digital pro. It's like having a beige '56 Jag XK-120 with a warp drive retrofit docked right there in your rack. Sweeeeet. >P.S. Are there any other women on this list? Yup. ;^)=8=<== laurie >From lists@slip.net Mon Jan 19 00:55:16 1998 From ???@??? Mon Jan 19 10:07:57 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 19 00:55:16 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuCzD-0002tp-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 00:55:15 -0800 Sender: camao@camsg001.camb.scee.sony.co.uk Message-ID: <34C313ED.74BCD0F@scee.sony.co.uk> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:50:53 +0000 From: Os X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Email Avalanch/routing References: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C291F80FE@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aLLwAB.A.TbC.JQxw0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2338 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 00:55:15 -0800 X-UIDL: 15370c9124265911777188a865df9067 Status: O X-Status: Sellon, Bob (Exchange) wrote: > > Does anyone know how to route "Loopers-Delight" email to a particular > folder under Microsoft Exhange (V5.0)? I tried using the Inbox Assistant > but couldn't seem to get it to work. It always seems to look at the > originators address instead of LoopersDelight. The sheer volume of > messages is killing me and I would rather not "unsubscribe" if I can get > the messages sent quietly to my LoopersDelight folder. > > Many thanks. > > Bob Sellon > Engineer > Lexicon/Stec This is dead easy with Netscape Communicator. Though it might not help you to know that. -- Os os@millennium.co.uk http://webworlds.net/os/ From ???@??? Mon Jan 19 10:08:52 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 19 07:32:52 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuJBw-0004m6-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 07:32:48 -0800 Message-ID: <34C31B58.E8@nyfac.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:22:32 +0000 From: tdbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looking for a compressor References: <199801181152_MC2-2FC4-17C0@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WgPnb.A.xxD.YC3w0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2341 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 07:32:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 1630ff165e8f85608ffad8e2be2169c4 Status: O X-Status: I have a Behringer Composer stereo gate/limiter/compressor, and I think that it works fairly well, esp for the price. Trevor From ???@??? Mon Jan 19 10:08:02 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 19 02:10:20 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuE9p-0006hg-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 02:10:17 -0800 X-Sender: aacamus@pop.hol.fr Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Eudora Light F3.1.3l Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:05:16 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Le Quan Ninh Subject: Re: Echoplex functions ? Resent-Message-ID: <"EgnfiC.A.S9F.VVyw0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2339 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 02:10:17 -0800 X-UIDL: 328e829dcc541da0e43416c0b9a2f44e Status: O X-Status: >yes, the Echoplex can have nine separate loops in memory, which can all be >triggered, retriggered etc. like with a sampler. When triggering with midi >you have velocity sensitivity and several different types of triggering >options. There are also copy, control, and sync options for multiple loops >that are very useful for performing with them. It is effectively >monophonic, so only one loop plays at a time. Hum... but is there any other machine as flexible as the Echoplex which allows a real polyphonic process ? __________________________________________ Le Quan Ninh ninh@musique.net http://www.musique.net/ninh/ __________________________________________ From ???@??? Mon Jan 19 22:02:47 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 19 11:20:11 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuMjm-0002SB-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:19:58 -0800 Message-Id: <199801191908.LAA08448@scv4.apple.com> Subject: Re: Re: Echoplex functions ? Date: Mon, 19 Jan 98 13:09:10 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"wbI7jD.A.9FB.RT6w0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2353 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:19:58 -0800 X-UIDL: c3d5fa30b9614ef7cf7dfb65cb0d2f61 Status: O X-Status: >Hey thanks for that info...I can't believe you can only play one loop at a >time-bummer. I'm a drummer/perc. and need to play multiple loops >simultaneously, so, I guess I'll continue my search for a Jam Man. I didn't think that the JamMan would allow you to play multiple loops simultaneously. For the oft-requested feature of multiple loops playing at the same time with controllable levels, I think you need multiple looping devices and a mixer. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Mon Jan 19 10:08:41 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 19 06:27:45 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuIAy-0000ew-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:27:44 -0800 Message-ID: <34C36F33.35BB32F2@infobiogen.fr> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:20:23 +0000 From: Malhomme Olivier Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: I P L X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:compression References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cOglq.A.oT.cG2w0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2340 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:27:44 -0800 X-UIDL: 0f9d06fac4ff83eff1d97cb566df3d88 Status: O X-Status: There is not that much difference between these two different events that share the same name. In audio compression you loose clearly some information. As it being useful... Ours ears are educated with years of records highly compressed to have a max level. It is just a ridiculous race for more Db in the end, to be as often as possible near the max. Using compression on a classicial recording, where it is more the quality of the take that makes it (apart from the talent of the musicians, of course) would be stupid and sense less. By the smae way, a lot of data-compression is being used more and more when you record at a 48 khz sample rate and using 24 bit a/d converters. There are more and more -in high end products- recording with new 24 bit/96 khz converters. It requires a very nasty data compression before the product reach you... Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Mon Jan 19 22:03:06 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 19 12:33:33 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuNsr-0002DC-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:33:25 -0800 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:23:05 GMT Message-Id: <199801191523.PAA02278@phyleus.interlinx.qc.ca> X-Sender: erich@interlinx.qc.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: erich kory Subject: Re: Re: Echoplex functions ? Resent-Message-ID: <"7MvWaD.A.G_.2Y7w0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2358 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:33:25 -0800 X-UIDL: bf65d67666a998d0027e0ebaa35bd4ca Status: O X-Status: At 01:48 PM 1/19/98 EST, you wrote: >Hey thanks for that info...I can't believe you can only play one loop at a >time-bummer. I'm a drummer/perc. and need to play multiple loops >simultaneously, so, I guess I'll continue my search for a Jam Man. > > Gratefully, > Todd You can the same as Jamman. In overdub mode. Play one loop, hit the overdub, then play over it. It's all recorded. erich From ???@??? Mon Jan 19 10:08:53 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 19 07:33:14 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuJCL-0004pI-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 07:33:13 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980119102622.00704d2c@mail1.hbsp.harvard.edu> X-Sender: rlamphear@mail1.hbsp.harvard.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:26:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Rich Lamphear" Subject: New to looping/processing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"f7D8AB.A.szD.nC3w0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2342 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 07:33:13 -0800 X-UIDL: 210c70d28144ba9074ced322ad79fc0e Status: O X-Status: Hi, I'm an acoustic guitarist/singer/composer and I'm getting interested in the concept of looping and processing the acoustic guitar. I'm intrigued with the idea of extending my solo guitar and voice concept to incorporate new sounds, textures, and rhythms via electronics. I've got a little money to throw at this (~$1500) and I'd like some advice on how I might best spend the money. My idea is to install a decent quality pickup on my acoustic, something that would maintain a reasonable amount of the acoustic guitar timbre before sending it to processing. I've heard good things about the Sunrise and McIntyre pickups for this type of application. The Echoplex Digital Pro seems the clear choice for a looper. Has availability of these improved lately? (sorry if it's a faq, just joined the list). I did phone Thoroughbred Music and they had three in stock, but no pedalboards. In addition, I'd like a multifx box to do standard digital processing for both the guitar and the voice. My main question revolves around the issue of stereo processing. Do you really need 2 Echoplexes to get a decent stereo sound happening? Do most people running stereo process first (add reverb, flange, etc.) and then go into 2 Echoplexes? Or do people loop first and then send the mono looped signal into a stereo processor and output from there? My choices (for around $1500) seem to be: 1) Echoplex mono into good quality multifx to stereo output. 2) El cheapo multifx stereo output into 2 Echoplexes operating in sync. Any advice to help me think about this would be much appreciated. It sure would be great to be able to do both the processing and looping in a single box, but I don't think anything like that's on the market....correct? thanks, Rich From ???@??? Mon Jan 19 10:08:55 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 19 07:41:21 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuJKC-0005eI-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 07:41:20 -0800 Message-Id: <98Jan19.093506cst.26890@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: pmurphy@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:36:08 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Pat Murphy Subject: Echoplex Upgrades In-Reply-To: <34C36F33.35BB32F2@infobiogen.fr> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"G15RyC.A.AwE.ML3w0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2343 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 07:41:20 -0800 X-UIDL: 68a92d6decf47bc39d574d2ba37b2526 Status: O X-Status: Loopers All upgrades that were paid for have been shipped as of last Friday. Loop On- Pat Murphy From ???@??? Mon Jan 19 10:08:56 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 19 07:45:11 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuJNs-00063j-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 07:45:08 -0800 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:39:00 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New to looping/processing In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980119102622.00704d2c@mail1.hbsp.harvard.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"HEdqvC.A.AKF.EP3w0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2344 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 07:45:08 -0800 X-UIDL: d6657b08cdaff63e1a38ae3f94723551 Status: O X-Status: My first suggestion for acoustic looping is, GET GOOD PICKUPS!!! Your looping tone is going to be no better than its raw tone. I have a Fishman Blender system that uses a piezo bridge pickup in combination with an internal condenser microphone. It's very good at sounding similar to an acoustic guitar. Piezo pickups alone are terrible, i think. They're missing "air". -dave Practice beautiful randomness and act kind of senseless. From ???@??? Mon Jan 19 22:02:48 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 19 11:20:55 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuMkc-0002Y7-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:20:50 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:11:50 -0800 Message-ID: <00077F1F.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: New to looping/processing To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Mike.Biffle@wj.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"ClkSrC.A.gOB.XU6w0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2354 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:20:50 -0800 X-UIDL: 072b8fa3363076584c0b61517615814a Status: O X-Status: Dave Stagner wrote... >My first suggestion for acoustic looping is, GET GOOD PICKUPS!!! Your >looping tone is going to be no better than its raw tone. Good advice! >I have a Fishman Blender system that uses a piezo bridge pickup in >combination with an internal condenser microphone. It's very good at >sounding similar to an acoustic guitar. Piezo pickups alone are terrible, >i think. They're missing "air". That said... I have the same setup in a Taylor 812c. I've been "relatively" happy with the setup, but after having it for a couple of years, I've been able to A/B it with many external mics as well as soundhole pickup combos. The soundhole pickups physically occupy a spot I'd rather have empty. The pickups also sound sort of electric and don't pickup enough 'wood'. I'm beginning to feel that I might do well to place a McIntyre in various locations inside the body (starting under the treble side of the bridge plate) and see if it would be a suitable or better source than the Crown mini condenser mic. The mic does add 'air' and I really dislike the piezo alone, even if it's eq'ed well. I'd probably check out the new B-Band undersaddle pickup with a McIntyre and see how the combo works. I've also heard great results from the Trance Audio 'Acoustic Lens' soundboard pickups although I've played a couple guitars with those installed which really felt pretty dead and weighty. (Maybe not enough high end sparkle). I played Jeff Traugott's home guitar with Trance in it though and it kicked my Taylor right out of the room! -Miko From ???@??? Mon Jan 19 10:09:00 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 19 08:25:29 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuK0m-0001H1-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:25:20 -0800 Message-Id: <98Jan19.101706cst.26884@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:18:50 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Re: New to looping/processing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"39zp4.A.AZ.gy3w0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2345 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:25:20 -0800 X-UIDL: 4b39603233bb862fa879c3d7de426f2e Status: O X-Status: Rich- Footswitches are on the way to Thoroughbred and other reputable stocking Oberheim dealers. (Reputable Stockings? Sounds like a Zappa tune...) I would recommend getting an EDP, natch, and both Thoroughbred (813-889-3874)and Bananas at Large (415-457-7600 ask for Rick)are excellent sources for all things OB. Enjoy!! Tom Spaulding Oberheim Product Manager 1818 Elm Hill Pike Nashville, TN 37210 800-777-0795 At 09:26 AM 1/19/98 -0600, you wrote: >Hi, >I'm an acoustic guitarist/singer/composer and I'm getting interested in the >concept of looping and processing the acoustic guitar. I'm intrigued with >the idea of extending my solo guitar and voice concept to incorporate new >sounds, textures, and rhythms via electronics. > >I've got a little money to throw at this (~$1500) and I'd like some advice >on how I might best spend the money. > >My idea is to install a decent quality pickup on my acoustic, something >that would maintain a reasonable amount of the acoustic guitar timbre >before sending it to processing. I've heard good things about the Sunrise >and McIntyre pickups for this type of application. > >The Echoplex Digital Pro seems the clear choice for a looper. Has >availability of these improved lately? (sorry if it's a faq, just joined >the list). I did phone Thoroughbred Music and they had three in stock, but >no pedalboards. > >In addition, I'd like a multifx box to do standard digital processing for >both the guitar and the voice. My main question revolves around the issue >of stereo processing. Do you really need 2 Echoplexes to get a decent >stereo sound happening? Do most people running stereo process first (add >reverb, flange, etc.) and then go into 2 Echoplexes? Or do people loop >first and then send the mono looped signal into a stereo processor and >output from there? > >My choices (for around $1500) seem to be: >1) Echoplex mono into good quality multifx to stereo output. >2) El cheapo multifx stereo output into 2 Echoplexes operating in sync. > >Any advice to help me think about this would be much appreciated. It sure >would be great to be able to do both the processing and looping in a single >box, but I don't think anything like that's on the market....correct? > >thanks, >Rich > > > > > From ???@??? Mon Jan 19 10:09:02 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 19 08:31:44 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuK6v-00022n-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:31:41 -0800 Message-Id: <199801191627.JAA20173@hyper.dimensional.com> From: "Scott Bullerwell" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Re: Re:compression Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:21:16 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zZ0ejD.A.W_.633w0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2346 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:31:41 -0800 X-UIDL: d9c25dc3c0e1c1194643cfb507b8d6a0 Status: O X-Status: [computer types: this is an intentionally simplified explanation of data compression. please don't castigate me for bitwise imprecision. otherwise feel free to hate me for the mostly non-looping content!] Malhomme Olivier writes: > There is not that much difference between these two different events > that share the same name. In audio compression you loose clearly some > information. Hate to further beat a dead horse here, but there is indeed that much difference between data compression and audio compression: _not all data compression is lossy_ (though it is on some things, like mini-disc recorders). Think of it this way: the digital file (whether it's a CD or a loop in the RAM of yer stylin' 'Plex Pro) is merely strings of zeroes and ones. Each of those zeroes and ones takes up file space. Let's say there's a particular file that looks like this: 101010111101101101101101111101101101010101110110110101101101 There's 60 characters in that file. Let's say storage space is at a premium so we want to shrink it down for storage. If you noticed, there's lots of repeated characters--pairs of "1"s for example. With a compression scheme, we can just tell the storage device that when it sees two "1"s in succession, it should write an "M" character. (A smarter compression scheme would write "M" when it sees "101" but lets say we're not the best software engineers) So now we have: 101010MM0M0M0M0M0MM10M0M0101010M10M0M010M0M01 That file contains exactly the same information as the first one, but it's only 45 characters long, yielding a compression rate of 25%. When we want to read the file (to play it back, in the case of an audio file) the D/A converter just puts "11" where it sees "M" and hey presto! 101010111101101101101101111101101101010101110110110101101101 It's EXACTLY THE SAME as the original program content. We could even add another stage of compression where "MO" was replaced with the character "F" and "10" was replaced with the character "L" LLLMFFFFFMMLFFLLLMLFFLFF1 Yielding a file that is 25 characters long, etc. What is happening with data compression is you are trading off CPU time for storage space. Since mass storage is pretty cheap, while CPU time is increasingly at a premium, it's generally not a wise trade-off. However, there are specific applications (diskette-style storage media with significant size limits--small diskette, thus small files) where it's appropriate. Cheers, Scott tanelorn@dimensional.com From ???@??? Mon Jan 19 10:09:05 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 19 08:40:40 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuKFX-00031V-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:40:35 -0800 Message-ID: Date: 19 Jan 1998 10:34:41 -0800 From: "Hartnett, Travis" Subject: FS: Vortex $290 To: "Loopers Delight postings" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP for Quarterdeck Mail; Version 4.1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Name="Message Body" Resent-Message-ID: <"wJqElC.A.hBC.sA4w0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2347 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:40:35 -0800 X-UIDL: 2b9571f602f0dd1da19d1e8beb6f73da Status: O X-Status: LeXicon VoRTeX Asking Price: US$290 Condition: Mint Age: N/A Description: Lexicon Vortex: Low noise and lush sounds.(Quality excellent). Flange/Chorus/Phase/Vibrato, from subtle to bizarre with no trace of digital weediness. $290 shipped to your door / obo. Seller: Carl Conti, E-mail: jgalt@city-net.com Location: EAST LIBERTY, PA Post Date: 1/19/98 From ???@??? Mon Jan 19 10:09:07 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 19 08:50:18 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuKOr-00048N-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:50:13 -0800 Message-ID: Date: 19 Jan 1998 10:43:41 -0800 From: "Hartnett, Travis" Subject: FS: Boomerang $275 To: "Loopers Delight postings" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP for Quarterdeck Mail; Version 4.1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Name="Message Body" Resent-Message-ID: <"7_kASB.A.z9C.VJ4w0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2348 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:50:13 -0800 X-UIDL: c3c4b7bf4882cc472ae605ae8c3d9af4 Status: O X-Status: FS: Boomerang Phrase Sampler-$275 Asking Price: US$275 Condition: Mint Age: N/A Description: Floor unit- stores up to 30 secs of sampling (60 secs at lower fidelity). Start, stop, reverse switches. Absolutely awesome for practicing solos- just record a rhythm track and play for ever!! John Anderson Seller: John Anderson, 914-268-1881 E-mail: johna@ucs.net Location: CONGERS, NY Post Date: 1/18/98 From ???@??? Mon Jan 19 10:09:08 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 19 08:51:23 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuKPv-0004GW-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:51:19 -0800 Message-ID: Date: 19 Jan 1998 10:45:07 -0800 From: "Hartnett, Travis" Subject: FS: Digitech Time Machine $100 To: "Loopers Delight postings" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP for Quarterdeck Mail; Version 4.1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Name="Message Body" Resent-Message-ID: <"Xq9cf.A.vLD.ML4w0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2349 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:51:19 -0800 X-UIDL: dcfda79536ca912f21fe03c698a6b64c Status: O X-Status: Digi-Tech 7.6 For Sale or Trade Asking Price: US$100 Condition: Excellent Age: N/A Description: Digi-Tech 7.6 digital delay / sampler. One space rack. Great shape. ALL effect or synth trades considered. Seller: atom smasher riben, 732-251-1810 E-mail: atom@icepop.straight-edge.com Location: OLD BRIDGE, NJ Post Date: 1/18/98 From ???@??? Mon Jan 19 22:02:46 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 19 11:00:14 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuMQZ-0000JU-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:00:07 -0800 From: Takadimi Message-ID: <68469a3f.34c39ff3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:48:14 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Echoplex functions ? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"rV9kXD.A.92G.6D6w0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2352 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:00:07 -0800 X-UIDL: adf0d8b081d9395aef82c2d8732294b2 Status: O X-Status: Hey thanks for that info...I can't believe you can only play one loop at a time-bummer. I'm a drummer/perc. and need to play multiple loops simultaneously, so, I guess I'll continue my search for a Jam Man. Gratefully, Todd From ???@??? Mon Jan 19 22:02:50 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 19 11:20:59 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuMke-0002YN-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:20:52 -0800 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:10:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801191910.OAA06983@marconi.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: FS: Digitech Time Machine $100 Resent-Message-ID: <"42hGHD.A.nTB.AV6w0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2355 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:20:52 -0800 X-UIDL: d45a85d644fa39b01b722b81453213bb Status: O X-Status: gone, man he's swapping it for some goofy pedal and I'm next in line if that goes sour ;) slapback on>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tom At 10:45 AM 1/19/98 -0800, you wrote: >Digi-Tech 7.6 For Sale or Trade > >Asking Price: US$100 >Condition: Excellent >Age: N/A >Description: > > Digi-Tech 7.6 digital delay / sampler. One space rack. Great >shape. > ALL effect or synth trades considered. > >Seller: atom smasher riben, 732-251-1810 >E-mail: atom@icepop.straight-edge.com >Location: OLD BRIDGE, NJ >Post Date: 1/18/98 > > > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Mon Jan 19 22:04:06 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 19 16:19:52 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuRPp-0000fH-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:19:41 -0800 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:10:56 GMT Message-Id: <199801191910.TAA16488@phyleus.interlinx.qc.ca> X-Sender: erich@interlinx.qc.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: erich kory Subject: Re: Hello... Hello!...hello!! Resent-Message-ID: <"cMkbmC.A.QFH.Vu-w0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2368 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:19:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 950a3d13f816bb9001d8e34a0b1c1053 Status: O X-Status: At 07:05 PM 1/19/98 -0300, you wrote: >I just downloaded two of your samples, Erich. >I love Cello, especially when looped, its so monophonic otherwhise :-) >... and you do it well, elaborate and beautifull, almost classical. > >Welcome >Matthias > >Thanx, I did spend 20 years of my life in Classical Music, iguess it has to come out somewhere! From ???@??? Mon Jan 19 22:02:52 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 19 11:34:25 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuMxk-00044q-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:34:24 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980119112104.00a744b0@global.california.com> X-Sender: sechevar@global.california.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:21:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: one-function MIDI pedal? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19980119194840.1f8f435e@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> References: <98Jan19.101706cst.26884@gateway.gibson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"gwjNsD.A.CtC.8g6w0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2356 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:34:24 -0800 X-UIDL: a270055d1c748104f03076cd7dd79ab3 Status: O X-Status: Try http://www.midisolutions.com/prodfsw.htm - looks like it, with a standard footswitch, will do what you want. Also maybe the Anatek Pocket Pedal - but recently discontinued and no info anywhere that I can find. I just ordered a Pocket Pedal from Washington Music Center - don't know how many they have left. At 07:48 PM 1/19/98, you wrote: >Does anyone know if there exists a single pedal which sends a single >specific MIDI message? After thinking about it, the only facility I need From ???@??? Mon Jan 19 22:03:05 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 19 12:30:38 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuNq5-0001sP-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:30:33 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980119200735.00a02190@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:07:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Re: Echoplex functions ? Resent-Message-ID: <"5mWJvB.A.2h.wU7w0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2357 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:30:33 -0800 X-UIDL: ea1de44aa833037fffe2129e3f6701ba Status: O X-Status: At 01:48 PM 1/19/98 EST, Takadimi wrote: >Hey thanks for that info...I can't believe you can only play one loop at a >time-bummer. I'm a drummer/perc. and need to play multiple loops >simultaneously, so, I guess I'll continue my search for a Jam Man. > > Gratefully, > Todd JamMan doesn't do that either, and it's multi-loop functions are somewhat more limited than the echoplex's. The only looper I know of that can sort of do polyphonic/multi-track loops is the Akai Remix16. With that one though, you can't play and record at the same time, and there isn't even any overdubbing. So you have to record all the loops first, and then play them back simultaneously. There is no single device that really does what you want. The echoplex is designed so that you can synchronize multiple units together in various ways, so that one can be used for each track in a multi-track loop. A lot of people do that for the multi-track effect. I think you might be able to do this with multiple JamMan's as well, but it isn't specifically designed for it so it's not so elegant to use. kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Mon Jan 19 22:03:38 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 19 15:59:36 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuR6L-0006Xw-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:59:33 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980119122812.00a664c0@global.california.com> X-Sender: sechevar@global.california.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:28:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Re: Echoplex functions ? In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980119200735.00a02190@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"WyESbB.A.kgF.5c-w0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2367 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:59:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 9d86234824606a7600bcae68fbb7419a Status: O X-Status: Wasn't the upgrade that Bob was planning (before Lex axed it) going to allow simultaneous playback of multiple loops? At 12:07 PM 1/19/98 -0800, Kim wrote: >JamMan doesn't do that either, and it's multi-loop functions are somewhat >more limited than the echoplex's. The only looper I know of that can sort of >do polyphonic/multi-track loops is the Akai Remix16. With that one though, >you can't play and record at the same time, and there isn't even any >overdubbing. So you have to record all the loops first, and then play them >back simultaneously. There is no single device that really does what you >want. The echoplex is designed so that you can synchronize multiple units >together in various ways, so that one can be used for each track in a >multi-track loop. A lot of people do that for the multi-track effect. I >think you might be able to do this with multiple JamMan's as well, but it >isn't specifically designed for it so it's not so elegant to use. > From ???@??? Mon Jan 19 22:03:18 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 19 13:26:19 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuOi1-0007g6-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:26:17 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980119210559.00724c5c@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:05:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: freedom, syncing and quantization Resent-Message-ID: <"sAVUjD.A.zSG.eL8w0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2361 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:26:17 -0800 X-UIDL: 6f72db7b7f7e3ad7ad38a9396d7da646 Status: O X-Status: At 07:05 PM 1/19/98 -0300, you wrote: >oh, Kim again... I had no idea you did all this (apart form testing :-)... >can we hear a result on some CD project or so? > >Thanks >Matthias > I'm still experimenting with it and still learning about the music and how I relate to it and perform it. (and haven't had enough time for that, due to all the testing.... :-) ) So what I do still sucks hard, basically. When I do something that only sucks a little, I'd be happy to force you all to listen to it.... kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Mon Jan 19 22:03:15 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 19 13:11:38 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuOTg-00065i-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:11:28 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980116040442.00cc49b4@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:05:15 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: freedom, syncing and quantization Resent-Message-ID: <"g_Huv.A.ukE.b77w0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2359 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:11:28 -0800 X-UIDL: c1964bcbbb76a4fca226372c120bd952 Status: O X-Status: oh, Kim again... I had no idea you did all this (apart form testing :-)... can we hear a result on some CD project or so? Thanks Matthias >At 05:15 PM 1/15/98 -0300, Matthias Grob wrote: > >>Does anyone use the Quantize feature of the Plex? (I understood there is a >>equivalent on the JamMan with a name I do not remember) >>I guess Q level it mainly interesting to work in planned "organized" music, >>where you treat bars and measures. > >I use the quantize function a lot these days. Originally I liked it because >it helped me execute functions more accurately while playing guitar. I don't >play guitar with loops so much these days (or much at all actually), I'm >following some muse into more percussively oriented electronic dance music. >It's organized in the sense that you are often concerned about maintaining a >beat and keeping things aligned according to measure and section, which >means a heavy use of midi clock for syncing. In my case the planned aspect >mostly ends there, as I'm experimenting with taking a more improvised >approach to it rather than sequencing every last millisecond. But I still >want to keep the tempo and beat steady, and not have those things fly out of >my control. > >For this, quantized loop functions are great. It's very easy to record >things played in real time and get a loop sync'd with the sequence and >aligned with the first beat of the pattern. Since I'm also manipulating the >mixer or effects parameters, or triggering drum samples or something, it's >incredibly handy to be able to press the record or multiply or whatever >function when it is convenient, and know that it is going to come in exactly >when it is supposed to. I can finish the function in the same way, by >pressing when it is convenient, and the plex ends the function quantized to >the end of the sequenced patterns. I can then go about manipulating this >loop, effecting it, mixing it in and out, generally terrorizing it, but >keeping it in time the way I want. > >As an example, I have the loopers on aux sends of the mixer, synced to midi >clock from a sequencer. I like to take a loop of the drums and reverse it, >mixing the reverse in and out with the original. First I start the sequence >and then record a loop of its output, which is very convenient because >everything is sync'd and quantized to the first beat of the pattern. I just >hit record any time, and it starts at the right moment. I hit it again when >I've got as much as I want, and it waits to end of the measure to end for >me. Easy! The two are sync'd, aligned, running along next to each other. >Then I hit reverse on the echoplex. The quantizing waits to the end of the >measure before reversing the loop. So now the reversed drums are going, >still sync'd to the original and aligned to the measures. Then I go nuts >with the faders, bringing reversed drum hits in and out, using quick >crossfades between the two, or whatever, creating a new pattern of reverse >and forward drums. > >I might then use multiply to add some real-time playing to the loop, put it >back forwards, and mix between the new loop and the old pattern. Or change >patterns, or whatever. I'll use NextLoop to record several different loops >like this, and it's all quantized and in time with the clock and lined up >with other echoplexes and the sequencer. I can do quantized switches between >all the loops, while mostly concentrating on the mixer, effects, and >playing, and it all stays in time where I want it. There's tons of >possibilities, and I'm only just beginning to explore it with a rather >rudimentary setup. Without quantize I would never be able to execute the >loop functions perfectly enough to keep it all together. With quantize it's >a snap, and I can concentrate on doing other things while the looper does >it's job on it's own. > >As a more advanced technique, I also like to set the echoplexes to time >signatures different from the sequence and each other. Then I capture the >drum pattern from the sequencer in different time signatures, and run it >next to the original. So I might have the original in 4/4 and the loop in >13/8. Running them next to each other gives a constantly shifting rhythm >pattern that can be very interesting. By controlling the mix you can easily >change which one dominates, effectively morphing from one time signature to >another. Quantize is again a life saver here, because I can execute loop >functions without the beat getting out of whack. What's also interesting is >the quantize point changes against the original sequence. It's still in >time, just at a different beat each time through. So you can keep things >evolving. > >so anyway, I'm a quantizing fan! > >now back to the boring work.... > >kim >________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint 408-752-9284 >Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com >Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Mon Jan 19 22:03:14 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 19 13:11:20 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuOTS-00063y-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:11:14 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199801162255.WAA16919@phyleus.interlinx.qc.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:05:15 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Hello... Hello!...hello!! Resent-Message-ID: <"p29tnD.A.RlE.g77w0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2360 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:11:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 01c60860fcd14c492ed3ec681eef3d63 Status: O X-Status: I just downloaded two of your samples, Erich. I love Cello, especially when looped, its so monophonic otherwhise :-) ... and you do it well, elaborate and beautifull, almost classical. Welcome Matthias From ???@??? Mon Jan 19 22:03:29 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 19 14:49:39 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuQ0d-0007QN-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:49:35 -0800 From: KRosser414 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:27:05 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Help! re: Digitech Time Machine 7.6 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"F5jtU.A.-tF.aV9w0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2362 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:49:35 -0800 X-UIDL: 74a54d96bf4d76fd2cbc81ec53d41ddd Status: O X-Status: So, while waiting for the opportunity to buy an Echoplex or Jamman at a price I can manage, I came up with a Digitech Time Machine 7.6 for $90. This thing appears to be capable of some great stuff, but I need a manual. Anyone have one? I'd gladly pay for a xerox & postage... Thanks, Ken R From ???@??? Mon Jan 19 22:03:33 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 19 15:24:20 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuQYB-0002xo-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:24:15 -0800 From: ENAT21213 Message-ID: <86b291d8.34c3db82@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:02:24 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ANYONE KNOW THE MIDI PEDAL SCHEME FOR THE ECHOPLEX? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"OmDCP.A.9dB.619w0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2363 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:24:15 -0800 X-UIDL: d022b7c9624efb3e281f2acc0479d56a Status: O X-Status: Does any one know what the midi pedal scheme is for the echoplex?My jamman goes somthing like this,1=tap,2 and 3=bypass,4 and 5=replace,6=overdub,7and 8=mute,9,10and11=fade,12=loop#one,13=loop#two,14=loop#three,15=loop#four, 16loop#five,17=loop#six,18=loop#seven,19=loop#eight.Is the echoplex midi pedal scheme anything like this? The pedalboard for the echoplex looks like you have to scroll(tap) to get to a prefered loop?Say I have the nine seperate loops filled,Im on loop# two and I need to get to loop# nine do I have to scroll(tap) up to the ninth loop?I would rather simply press one button per loop to get were I need to be.Im using a ADA MC1 midi pedal. thanks for any help you guys can offer, Brian McKenzie From ???@??? Mon Jan 19 22:03:34 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 19 15:24:43 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuQYP-0002zP-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:24:29 -0800 From: PMimlitsch Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:11:27 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: one-function MIDI pedal? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"aiz-DD.A.F0B.Y59w0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2364 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:24:29 -0800 X-UIDL: fea82ba67c26be2fdf45aeadfb5b77d7 Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 1/19/98 1:14:39 PM, you wrote: <> I believe the "Midi Mouse" (Tech 21) does this. From ???@??? Mon Jan 19 22:03:36 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 19 15:35:52 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuQj8-0004E5-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:35:34 -0800 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:21:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801192321.SAA13503@shell.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: one-function MIDI pedal? Resent-Message-ID: <"yoeUjC.A.RrC.cB-w0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2365 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:35:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 717377d83533824fd995cb1344921903 Status: O X-Status: At 07:48 PM 1/19/98, you wrote: >Does anyone know if there exists a single pedal which sends a single >specific MIDI message? After thinking about it, the only facility I need >that I can't do with the existing JM pedals is the Short Fade function. Is >it possible to build one (easily)? the Lake Butler midigator, which i have and love - will send out ANY midi signal, and does some HEX stuff i don't need or understand. But it will send anything in the basic protocol, on/off, notes, prog change, ALL OFF, etc. someone had posted a few weeks back on finding a lot fo those cheap/used.... they rule, and they look cool for the gear-gazers (like me) that wander up to the stage after the show.... also - that MIDI MOUSE that tech 21 came up with - small as a dist. box but send prog change only. then there's an obselete Digitech box (in the same chassis as all those digi - 2-pedal boxes... it can be programmed to have a sequence of midi prog changes, that you can stepp thru at will. perhaps, though, none of this blather has helped you ! andre' From ???@??? Mon Jan 19 22:03:37 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 19 15:39:09 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuQmZ-0004cL-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:39:07 -0800 Message-ID: <000601bd2531$16020be0$f122dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: Help! re: Digitech Time Machine 7.6 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:22:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"_HoOVC.A.nCD._E-w0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2366 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:39:07 -0800 X-UIDL: ab33e5112ea24b5b9004b0b79ff606d8 Status: O X-Status: KRosser414 asked: >So, while waiting for the opportunity to buy an Echoplex or Jamman at a price >I can manage, I came up with a Digitech Time Machine 7.6 for $90. This thing >appears to be capable of some great stuff, but I need a manual. Anyone have >one? I'd gladly pay for a xerox & postage... I've got their number at home, which I called when I got MINE - and got the manual FREE. Good company! Stephen. Stephen Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Productions * Get the Loop Of The Week Free! From ???@??? Mon Jan 19 22:04:09 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 19 16:20:58 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuRQt-0000ma-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:20:47 -0800 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:38:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801192338.SAA21334@shell.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: Help! re: Digitech Time Machine 7.6 Resent-Message-ID: <"EJqGLB.A.gKH.Bv-w0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2369 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:20:47 -0800 X-UIDL: d56d03cfa46dd1b66e4a0017b699b309 Status: O X-Status: At 05:27 PM 1/19/98 EST, you wrote: >So, while waiting for the opportunity to buy an Echoplex or Jamman at a price >I can manage, I came up with a Digitech Time Machine 7.6 for $90. This thing >appears to be capable of some great stuff, but I need a manual. Anyone have >one? I'd gladly pay for a xerox & postage... hey ken... i have, and of course adore, my 7.6, in fact i just found a 8sec TM... i gotta say though, i don't have a manual, but you might not need it - it's all pretty basic... a good addition is a pair of boss FS-5L - very tough built pedals for on/off and hold function. but, hands-on works great too! also - an expression pedal can give you a cool/cheezy pitch/or time shift sound.. any specific questions - gimme an e-mail -i'll gladly help > peace, andre' From ???@??? Mon Jan 19 22:04:24 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 19 18:41:28 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuTd0-00067T-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:41:26 -0800 From: ANET Message-ID: <3316a72.34c40b9a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:27:35 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New to looping/processing Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"CSxT-.A.kKF._1Ax0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2370 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:41:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 1699695d4e5f3ac8900754c82672a569 Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 98-01-19 10:31:31 EST, you write: > Hi, > I'm an acoustic guitarist/singer/composer and I'm getting interested in the > concept of looping and processing the acoustic guitar. I'm intrigued with > the idea of extending my solo guitar and voice concept to incorporate new > sounds, textures, and rhythms via electronics. > I too am an acoustic guitarist who is actively using a JAMMAN for live performances. I added the memory upgrade of which I now have 32 seconds of delay time. When audiences hear the loops, they are very surprised due to the fact that the tones are very serene as well as somewhat hypnotic. My guitar is handmade of which I use Martin Thinline Pick-ups, the guitar is Koa back and sides with a Cedar top. I run into a CRATE 125D acoustic guitar amp which gives phenominal sound reproduction. >From that, I run the line level output to the Jam man input, the jamman to the Mackie board and then on to output eq and an Alesis Stereo compressor. The guitar and pickup provide a very bright sound which is then mixed with Crate's digital delays (about 16 choices in all, all sound very nice). I remove most of the mids to avoid a tunnel sound and then run the entire mix through a switiching amp to Community speakers. Altogehter, a very nice set up. I do have some noise from the Crate but am able to filter it on the output eq. I am set up for full stereo operation and had toyed with the idea of running the dry mix to the left and the jamman to the right, but didn't care for the sound too much. I have an RDS8000 which could give me a cheap-man's stereo (additional delay to one side) but have not had the chance to try it out yet. As far as pickups, each to his own. In the high-end acoustic guitar circles, there seems to be quite the argument over the mic sound vs. piezeos. I prefer a piezeo. The system placed into the Alvarez Yari is quite nice. I don't care for BAGGS pickups or any system mounted (god-forbid) across the sound hole. Good luck to you, as soon as you get your echoplex, you'll be doing solo gigs. Adios. Oh by the way, I am producing the 3rd cd project. Are you interested? John Peters From ???@??? Mon Jan 19 22:04:30 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 19 19:03:25 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuTyF-0000Fo-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:03:23 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD2525.8B804960.mblais@ma.ultranet.com> From: Matthew Blais To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Echoplex syncing Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:59:29 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"E6KwXD.A.v-G.DKBx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2371 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:03:23 -0800 X-UIDL: 005c86493287ad1481f549e94dca66c8 Status: O X-Status: Hi, My name is Matthew, I'm new to this list. I have two V5.0 Echoplexes which I have been trying (in vain) to get to operate synced in stereo with BrotherSync. has anybody out there been successful at this, or does it just NOT WORK? Anyone else tried this? Thanks, -- Matthew Blais ____________________________________________________ "Healing and Spiritual Crisis" WWW site: http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/blais.html From ???@??? Mon Jan 19 22:02:40 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 19 10:18:37 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuLmJ-00040j-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:18:31 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980119194840.1f8f435e@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:48:40 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: one-function MIDI pedal? In-Reply-To: <98Jan19.101706cst.26884@gateway.gibson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"y5C5UB.A.c0C.Yb5w0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2351 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:18:31 -0800 X-UIDL: 7c5673592985783f5b0f32e6721a2200 Status: O X-Status: Does anyone know if there exists a single pedal which sends a single specific MIDI message? After thinking about it, the only facility I need that I can't do with the existing JM pedals is the Short Fade function. Is it possible to build one (easily)? Failing that, Motley, if you're out there, are there any plans to produce a Rang Mk 2, with a fade switch and tap (rather than hold) tempo? Michael BTW, anyone trying to get a Roland FC200, try quick - they've been discontinued. I know, I tried... :( From ???@??? Tue Jan 20 02:16:19 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 20 00:59:57 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuZXH-0003OL-00; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 00:59:55 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000601bd2531$16020be0$f122dacf@sgoodman> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:15:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Help! re: Digitech Time Machine 7.6 Resent-Message-ID: <"IsLAHC.A.c3C.xYGx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2374 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 00:59:55 -0800 X-UIDL: 879bff395ed721d618e0572d5338c3d7 Status: O X-Status: At 3:22 PM -0800 1/19/98, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: >KRosser414 asked: >>appears to be capable of some great stuff, but I need a manual. Anyone >>have one? I'd gladly pay for a xerox & postage... > > >I've got their number at home, which I called when I got MINE - and got the >manual FREE. hey, if someone wants to scan the manual, I'd be happy to put it on the website. Also, lots of great info has been posted about this box. It would be great if someone could complile it all into a FAQ for the Time Machine page. That poor lonely page sure could use someone to take care of it! Just think of the fame and self promotion it would gain you... Looper's Delight gets over 3000 hits a week. All those people looking at YOUR handywork....imagine: the job offers come streaming in....overflowing bank accounts....new home studio toys....parties with rock stars and super models....it could all be yours, just for one measly web page..... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Jan 20 03:39:34 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 20 02:51:54 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xubHd-0000i9-00; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 02:51:53 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BD2525.8B804960.mblais@ma.ultranet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 02:48:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex syncing Resent-Message-ID: <"Ig_q1D.A.zb.4DIx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2375 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 02:51:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 512251f933afbd2d2e219b1ae8ac1fbb Status: O X-Status: At 9:59 PM -0500 1/19/98, Matthew Blais wrote: >Hi, > >My name is Matthew, I'm new to this list. > >I have two V5.0 Echoplexes which I have been trying (in vain) to get to >operate synced in stereo with BrotherSync. has anybody out there been >successful at this, or does it just NOT WORK? Anyone else tried this? well, I'm quite certain it works, since I spent about a year testing it! If there's anything wrong after that, it's the beta tester's fault...:-) You probably have something wrong in your set up. First of all, with LoopIII v5.0 the default parameters are set for stereo. So start off by resetting the parameters on both units. You do this by turning the power on with the Parameter button held down. Keep it held until the start up screen finishes and you get to the reset screen. Now all your parameters should be set right for stereo. Next, decide which unit is the master. This is the one where you will execute all the controls. The slave will just follow it. Connect a Midi cable from the Midi Out of the master unit to the Midi in of the slave. At this point you should be able to execute functions on the master and see that the slave follows. The BrotherSync connection ensures that the stereo units maintain very tight synchronization between each other, actually locking the sample clocks together. Make sure you have the right sort of cable. It should be a 1/4" tip-ring-sleeve (TRS) cable. A mono cable will NOT work. Connect the BrotherSync's of the two units together with this cable. That should be it. The master should control the slave, and you should have stereo loops. Let me know if you have any other questions. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Jan 20 11:04:18 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 20 09:46:54 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuhlD-0003tU-00; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:46:51 -0800 Message-Id: <199801201734.JAA10802@scv2.apple.com> Subject: Re: New to looping/processing Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 11:34:54 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"35mBD.A.MZC.gBOx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2390 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:46:51 -0800 X-UIDL: eb458373f2d31ab248ec78ea1ed7d6d7 Status: O X-Status: >as far as new loopers, I think I heard somebody say something about >Lexicon doing something.... Someone directly queried Lexicon, and the answer was "We don't comment on rumors". I do remember one of the ex-Lex employees on the list saying something to the effect that the phrase "JamMan upgrade" was a sure way to send a roomfull of Lexicon employees into hysterical laughter. >It only makes sense, If the JamMan is >discontinued >and currently is gaining value on the used market at an astrnomical rate why >wouldn't lexicon want to create a "new" technology to counteract Oberheim's >success with the Echo-complex? Because many people waited until the JamMan (and the Vortex) was discontinued and being blown-out at deep discount before buying one. That's not the sort of sales record that inspires companies to invest in new technology. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Tue Jan 20 11:03:13 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 20 03:40:18 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuc2S-0002fo-00; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 03:40:16 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <86b291d8.34c3db82@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 03:35:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: ANYONE KNOW THE MIDI PEDAL SCHEME FOR THE ECHOPLEX? Resent-Message-ID: <"9zQPQ.A.xLC.WwIx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2376 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 03:40:16 -0800 X-UIDL: 7c7985c53ae76d231524bed4bee01e01 Status: O X-Status: At 6:02 PM -0500 1/19/98, ENAT21213 wrote: >Does any one know what the midi pedal scheme is for the echoplex?My jamman >goes somthing like this,1=tap,2 and 3=bypass,4 and 5=replace,6=overdub,7and >8=mute,9,10and11=fade,12=loop#one,13=loop#two,14=loop#three,15=loop#four, >16loop#five,17=loop#six,18=loop#seven,19=loop#eight.Is the echoplex midi pedal >scheme anything like this? It's not really like that, no. For one thing, it doesn't use program change messages for executing functions. (we expect to use program change in future versions for its intended purpose of changing programs......) The midi control in the echoplex is quite extensive, and it is all explained on the Looper's Delight website. Go to the echoplex page: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html and check the link for the "Echoplex Footpedal Tutorial." That has more info than you are likely to care about, including a whole section on midi pedals. There is also a FAQ on the echoplex, and the entire manual is also on the site. >The pedalboard for the echoplex looks like you have to scroll(tap) to get to a >prefered loop?Say I have the nine seperate loops filled,Im on loop# two and I >need to get to loop# nine do I have to scroll(tap) up to the ninth loop?I >would rather simply press one button per loop to get were I need to be.Im >using a ADA MC1 midi pedal. You can switch loops in the Echoplex in a variety of ways. The most basic way is scrolling, as you've noted, where each tap of the NextLoop button sends you to the next loop. With this one you have to listen to all of the ones in between, which might not be desireable. There are several different options which avoid that. If you set the SwitchQuant parameter to "Confirm" the echoplex will wait until you tell it to jump to the loop you want. So as you tap the NextLoop button the display shows which loop you are setting up to jump to, but you still hear the current loop. When you are at the one you want, you press the Undo switch to confirm it, and jump right there. (you can also press any function switch, so that you can jump to the new loop and immediately start another function.) This method is very convenient from the standard echoplex pedal. If you set the SwitchQuant parameter to "Cycle" the echoplex will wait until the end of the current cycle (quantizing) before switching loops. During the wait period before the end of the cycle, each tap of the NextLoop button increments the loop you are jumping to. So you tap the button enough times for it to show the loop you want to go to, and as soon as the cycle ends you jump right there. Again, if you press another function key, the echoplex will start that function as soon as you switch. This method is convenient for switching anywhere with the pedal, but also essential when you have to keep all of your loops playing in steady time. And last is switching with midi. Unlike the JamMan, the echoplex is more like a sampler in this respect. It uses Midi Notes or Continuous Controller messages for changing loops. If you have the velocity parameter turned on, the Echoplex will use the velocity info in the note on message (or the value of the controller) to set the volume of the loop you switch to. You jump directly to the loop you want by pressing it's associated Note/controller number. (you can set which notes/controllers it uses for the loops.) The parameter called "SamplerStyle" sets exactly how it reacts to the midi message. If it is set to "run" the echoplex jumps to the loop and keeps it looping in the normal fashion. If SamplerStyle is set to "One" the echoplex will trigger the loop from the beginning and play through one time and stop. Sending repeated messages for the same loop will give you stuttering or retriggering effects. And finally, if SamplerStyle is set to "Att" (for attack) the echoplex will trigger the loop and play it as long as the note is held down, which is like playing a sample from a keyboard controller. Again you can do retriggering effects. With the midi switching, the SwitchQuant parameter can also be on, and will act as described above with the NextLoop button. So as you can see, there are plenty of possibilites to cover just about any sort of use. As far as whether your ADA pedal will work, that I don't know since I'm not very familiar with that pedal. I suspect that Mr. T was not very ambitious with that one and just designed it to control the MP-1, which means it is probably a very limited pedal. There are a variety of better pedals out there, some of which can be picked up used for very little money. You might want to get something like a Digitech PMC-10, the Butler Midigator (I think it'll work, not sure), Roland FC-200, or maybe Rocktron AllAccess if you can afford it. The web site explains what to look for in a pedal for the echoplex. hope this helps, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Jan 20 11:04:12 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 20 09:00:13 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuh1o-0006ET-00; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:59:56 -0800 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:47:09 GMT Message-Id: <199801201147.LAA20604@phyleus.interlinx.qc.ca> X-Sender: erich@interlinx.qc.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: erich kory Subject: Re: Electric Cello and Looping Resent-Message-ID: <"FO0cFC.A.4ZE.TUNx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2387 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:59:56 -0800 X-UIDL: 3001063bf644cfae462267ea1a765d0b Status: O X-Status: At 08:19 PM 1/20/98 -0500, you wrote: >Tell us some cello looping stories! Nice of you to ask. I started improvising about 12 years ago after playing classical for most of my life. I was play "Dream Girls" on Broadway and noticed all the regular pop musicians were having a ball, and the string players were falling asleep......... When you say "electric cello," how electric do you get? Do you use fuzz, feedback, wah, pitchshifting, etc.? Yes, All of the above, but not all the time. I like to save the strong effects for the right time, for example, I do an hommage to the Iraq "War" that starts with a pizzacato loop and i play over that gentil arabic melodies (like they chant at the mosques), the melodies start to get more agitated, i bring in some delays and start screaming, the loop cuts out and i go into a hendrix type distortion/delay that sometimes ends with the star spangeled banner.......then i bring back the pizz loop, but the melody has changed, it's more grotesque and sad. How do audiences react to an electric cello? The cello is an instrument very close to all of us. The size is the same, the voice, it goes into the heart of people...........when it's elctrified and effected it just gets more powerful.... What equipment do you use? I am trying to reduce my set up all the time. Now i use just a Roland SE70, Jamman, Echo-Plex and Mackie 1202 with a Ground Control MIDI footpedal. (Have a VS-880 here at home and have played some live shows with that and jamman) What kinds of gigs do you play? I play a lot of solo shows, mostly in Europe and here in Quebec. Dance and theatre too. Here in Quebec i'm playing in a pop orianted band thats using lots of live looping with the cello, voice and digital drums.hot slap bass and we're starting to get into interactive lights and sound triggering. If anyone out there knows about good intrtactive systems other than Demension Beam, please let me know. Nice to be in touch with you guys........... erich@interlinx.qc.ca, web page: http://kspace.com/kory >I played cello when I was a kid and still dig the sound of it.---- Never too late to try it again!(especially plugged in!) > >Mark Kata >Mark@asisoftware.com > >---------- >From: erich kory[SMTP:erich@InterLinx.qc.ca] >Sent: Friday, January 16, 1998 5:55 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Hello... Hello!...hello!! > >now that i see that everyone gets these messages........ > >i will introduce myself. > >i play electric cello and have been an addict of many things, the only >remaining being looping. Started about 12 years ago with the digitech >double footpedals and now with a combination of jamman and echoplex. > >Hooked up with MoszŽ Loredo- bass and sampling freak (made demo for the Akai >samplers) and we're having some hot times up here in cold Quebec! > >Love to hook up with any recording projects that might need a little spice. >i've been doing session work for many years and can play with just about >anything. > >luv to all you crazy Loopers > >erich > > > > > From ???@??? Tue Jan 20 11:03:28 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 20 05:25:30 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xudgF-00004t-00; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 05:25:27 -0800 From: KelRey Message-ID: <14d8709d.34c4a44d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:19:07 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Echoplex syncing Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"KEv16D.A.y9G.NSKx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2378 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 05:25:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 6bf7a774bd44b66ec3fb3ee3b8f3f602 Status: O X-Status: Kim, Does holding down the parameter button on power up reintialize the Loop 5 version setting all parameters back to their original state. Thanks in advance Kelly From ???@??? Tue Jan 20 11:03:21 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 20 04:53:33 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xudBM-0005qN-00; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 04:53:32 -0800 Message-ID: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Raul Bonell Tomas" Organization: Atzucac To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:31:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Subject: EFC-7 arrival ? Reply-to: rauboto@eui.upv.es Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Resent-Message-ID: <"9HgNUB.A.FKF.A1Jx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2377 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 04:53:32 -0800 X-UIDL: df1e4cb8f2a8480a32a35ff3d67431b9 Status: O X-Status: Tom- I am waiting since May/97. Is there any footswitch shipped to Spain ? (This is not private mail) Bye.Love.RaŸl. Tom wrote: > Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:18:50 -0600 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > From: Tom Spaulding > Subject: Re: New to looping/processing > Reply-to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Rich- > > Footswitches are on the way to Thoroughbred and other reputable stocking > Oberheim dealers. (Reputable Stockings? Sounds like a Zappa tune...) I > would recommend getting an EDP, natch, and both Thoroughbred > (813-889-3874)and Bananas at Large (415-457-7600 ask for Rick)are excellent > sources for all things OB. Enjoy!! > > Tom Spaulding > Oberheim Product Manager > 1818 Elm Hill Pike > Nashville, TN 37210 > 800-777-0795 > > From ???@??? Tue Jan 20 11:03:49 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 20 07:33:59 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xufgc-00053y-00; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:33:58 -0800 X-From_:innerspace@mediaone.net Tue Jan 20 07:33:55 1998 Received: from demai01.mw.mediaone.net [24.131.1.17] by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xufgX-000530-00; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:33:53 -0800 Received: from mediaone.net ([24.131.4.70]) by mw.mediaone.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id AAA23025 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:33:16 -0500 Message-ID: <34C4C3D5.7ABD3278@mediaone.net> Old-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:33:41 -0500 From: innerspace@mediaone.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-MOEMW (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: undecipherable, help sent X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:33:58 -0800 X-UIDL: fc833c48601382e2394bde006e600e9f Status: O X-Status: P.S. Are there any other women on this list? Yup. ;^)=8=<== laurie...... NICE MACRO From ???@??? Tue Jan 20 11:03:56 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 20 07:54:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xug0R-0006sl-00; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:54:27 -0800 Message-ID: <34C4C6B0.CE75BCDA@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:45:52 -0500 From: innerspace@mediaone.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-MOEMW (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New to looping/processing References: <3.0.2.32.19980119102622.00704d2c@mail1.hbsp.harvard.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TiA6T.A.dmF.AbMx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2380 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:54:27 -0800 X-UIDL: c62ecf615f3d73f024ccfb988d287450 Status: O X-Status: Rich Lamphear wrote: > Hi, > I'm an acoustic guitarist/singer/composer and I'm getting interested in the > concept of looping and processing the acoustic guitar. I'm intrigued with > the idea of extending my solo guitar and voice concept to incorporate new > sounds, textures, and rhythms via electronics. > > I've got a little money to throw at this (~$1500) and I'd like some advice > on how I might best spend the money. > > My idea is to install a decent quality pickup on my acoustic, something > that would maintain a reasonable amount of the acoustic guitar timbre > before sending it to processing. I've heard good things about the Sunrise > and McIntyre pickups for this type of application. > > The Echoplex Digital Pro seems the clear choice for a looper. Has > availability of these improved lately? (sorry if it's a faq, just joined > the list). I did phone Thoroughbred Music and they had three in stock, but > no pedalboards. > > In addition, I'd like a multifx box to do standard digital processing for > both the guitar and the voice. My main question revolves around the issue > of stereo processing. Do you really need 2 Echoplexes to get a decent > stereo sound happening? Do most people running stereo process first (add > reverb, flange, etc.) and then go into 2 Echoplexes? Or do people loop > first and then send the mono looped signal into a stereo processor and > output from there? > > My choices (for around $1500) seem to be: > 1) Echoplex mono into good quality multifx to stereo output. > 2) El cheapo multifx stereo output into 2 Echoplexes operating in sync. > > Any advice to help me think about this would be much appreciated. It sure > would be great to be able to do both the processing and looping in a single > box, but I don't think anything like that's on the market....correct? > > thanks, > Rich corret I suppose, if you don't like samplers and sequencers... cause a sampler w/ a fair amount of memory could do everything you need ( i believe, barring you're short on equipment). Emu's from a couple of years age should be well within your price range by now, in fact you may even end up having a couple bucks left over to buy tape with! Echoplex's are fine and fun, but I really think there's a little bit too much emphasis being placed on how great the Echoplex really is here in Looper's Delight... No arguement here against how fun an Echoplex is, but as far as I' concerned, the Echoplex's user interface is far tooo Eco-com-plex for me, at least right now. Without spending mucho-dinero on processing equipment to clean up/fatten up the sound of your acoustic guitar before it hits the plex, I don't think you'll get what your looking for out of this unit... I would recommend getting a hold of a Jam Man w/ full memoery and both footswitches first, there are plenty of them around on this list. If you are fully comfortable w/ the Jam Man, and still aren't getting what you want from this box( which is mono- a vortex) then drop some loot on an echoplex pro. Good luck navigating the stagnant waters of technology pro-bono-its a bad day to do decisions. :(): From ???@??? Tue Jan 20 11:03:57 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 20 07:56:05 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xug1z-00074Z-00; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:56:03 -0800 Message-ID: <34C4C751.460BD63F@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:48:33 -0500 From: innerspace@mediaone.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-MOEMW (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: compression References: <199801191627.JAA20173@hyper.dimensional.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Y3xsvB.A.S1F.adMx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2381 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:56:03 -0800 X-UIDL: def14551d9550b97367af7fe4c2c5164 Status: O X-Status: > [computer types: this is an intentionally simplified explanation of data > compression. please don't castigate me for bitwise imprecision. otherwise > feel free to hate me for the mostly non-looping content!] > > Aha! did he kill this discussion yet? From ???@??? Tue Jan 20 11:03:59 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 20 08:01:57 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xug7d-0007lr-00; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:01:53 -0800 Message-ID: <34C4C88A.E5AF367B@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:53:46 -0500 From: innerspace@mediaone.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-MOEMW (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: freedom, syncing and quantization References: <2.2.32.19980119210559.00724c5c@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EUnrPD.A.WZG.ViMx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2382 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:01:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 6c42865841b13f9884c6e80dcd924fa2 Status: O X-Status: > I'm still experimenting with it and still learning about the music and how I > relate to it and perform it. (and haven't had enough time for that, due to > all the testing.... :-) ) So what I do still sucks hard, basically. When I > do something that only sucks a little, I'd be happy to force you all to > listen to it.... > > kim If you're as thorough with this sucky music as you are with everything else, it probably doesnt suck... I for one am intersted in hering it, please. From ???@??? Tue Jan 20 11:04:04 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 20 08:11:43 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xugH7-00015S-00; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:11:41 -0800 Message-ID: <34C4CADA.F46C7C17@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:03:38 -0500 From: innerspace@mediaone.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-MOEMW (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE:Time for digitech machine page References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HXPVdB.A.bM.srMx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2384 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:11:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 2565da9e2c9c73e8b483653a5669a948 Status: O X-Status: Kim Flint wrote: > At 3:22 PM -0800 1/19/98, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: > >KRosser414 asked: > >>appears to be capable of some great stuff, but I need a manual. Anyone > >>have one? I'd gladly pay for a xerox & postage... > > > > > >I've got their number at home, which I called when I got MINE - and got the > >manual FREE. > > hey, if someone wants to scan the manual, I'd be happy to put it on the > website. > > Also, lots of great info has been posted about this box. It would be great > if someone could complile it all into a FAQ for the Time Machine page. That > poor lonely page sure could use someone to take care of it! > > Just think of the fame and self promotion it would gain you... Looper's > Delight gets over 3000 hits a week. All those people looking at YOUR > handywork....imagine: the job offers come streaming in....overflowing bank > accounts....new home studio toys....parties with rock stars and super > models....it could all be yours, just for one measly web page..... > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim... I love the Digitech Time Machine...... I love Music made with the digitech time machine.... I love the loopers delight web page.... I'm just not smart enough to post my own web page.... Sorry....:( I had to be good at something and it wasn't computers From ???@??? Tue Jan 20 11:04:11 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 20 08:42:40 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xugl4-0004B5-00; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:42:38 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:27:48 -0800 Message-ID: <00078E43.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re: PMC-10 Midi Controller Pedal... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"FqNVmD.A.1MD.pINx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2385 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:42:38 -0800 X-UIDL: 7eaed5f7d2a81c09f1b8ea2631c13823 Status: O X-Status: Hello all, and Kim! After our recent discussion of how great the PMC-10 floor pedal is. (I mentioned somewhere in there that I've had a few unexpected resets which marooned me in various locations... sessions, gigs etc.) Weellll... I had a reset last night. Lost mucho deep programmed stuff for my IPS33B, JamMan, LXP-15II, GX-700, GCX Expander. I've had trouble with restoring backups before so I've become complacent or is it resigned? I had no current backup. That said... I began rapidly re-programming and lo and behold. I'm way more organized, and my patches and banks now reflect my current way of thinking! Wow... I never would have done the work of reorganizing my huge rats nest of info had I not crashed! It's a funny world isn't it? Maybe a few less bits and bytes in memory will tax my PMC-10 less. ***I After a reset, I'm almost always curious about what else it out there to manage my Midi... There has been a recent thread about syncing and Plex Midi control where Kim mentioned other OK floor peds. The FC-200 was one. If one of us owns one could you possibly go into detail about it's ability to manage controller changes and other midi functions? Peace... -Miko From ???@??? Tue Jan 20 11:04:12 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 20 08:58:23 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuh09-00060H-00; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:58:13 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980120114449.00701b20@mail1.hbsp.harvard.edu> X-Sender: rlamphear@mail1.hbsp.harvard.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:44:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Rich Lamphear" Subject: Re: New to looping/processing In-Reply-To: <34C4C6B0.CE75BCDA@mediaone.net> References: <3.0.2.32.19980119102622.00704d2c@mail1.hbsp.harvard.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ALivF.A.rLE.YSNx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2386 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:58:13 -0800 X-UIDL: 0d0197731b21b1fa31eaf568fb9d7a2b Status: O X-Status: At 10:45 AM 1/20/98 -0500, you wrote: > corret I suppose, if you don't like samplers and sequencers... cause a >sampler w/ a fair amount of memory could do everything you need ( i believe, >barring you're short on equipment). But I'm not aware of a sampler that allows for real-time overdubbing to looped audio while it's playing...is there any such thing (besides Echoplex and JamMan?) I'm only interested in what I can generate live in real-time...not interested in sequencing anything ahead of the performance. >your looking for out of this unit... I would recommend getting a hold of a >Jam Man w/ full memoery and both footswitches first, there are plenty of them >around on this list. If you are fully comfortable w/ the Jam Man, and still >aren't getting what you want from this box( which is mono- a vortex) then drop >some loot on an echoplex pro. Thanks for the advice, and I haven't ruled out the JamMan. It's just that the prices of JamMen seem to be getting bid into the stratosphere (the last three for sale at Rogue Music's auction have all gone for over $500). At that price I figure I'll spend a couple more bills and get the added functionality and memory of the Echoplex. Not to mention the nice pedalboard. BTW, NAMM is coming up...any rumors of new loopers on the horizon? Dare we ask? Rich From ???@??? Tue Jan 20 11:04:14 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 20 09:09:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuhB1-0007Nj-00; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:09:27 -0800 Message-Id: <199801201650.LAA08861@mail.colba.net> From: "Julia & Dave" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Robert Fripp in Montreal Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:54:31 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"D5he7.A.6PF.bbNx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2388 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:09:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 6f8b48b97ecf76744dc408f69c0e8d5e Status: O X-Status: Hi, I just saw Robert Fripp last night. Great show, although he started way ahead of schedule. I was glad to hear the Roland GR-300 guitar synth was still being used by Mr. Fripp, but I just wish the idiots seated in front of me could have shut up for at least five minutes. I gave Mr. Fripp a copy of my last CD during the "question period" and he plugged it :) We were also treated to a preview of "Projekt 2", but the true highlight remained his excellent live set, which many people enjoyed with eyes closed, and heads down in humble communion... Some people were a bit rude during the question period, these of course being the soul-less guitar "technicians" and all-round reactionairies, but nonetheless, Mr. Fripp answered in a most diplomatic and respectful manner. A true Gentleman. Cheers, D 4 V 1 D K R 1 5 T 1 4 N jndk@colba.net http://www.interlog.com/~stained/feedback/othprint/kristian.htm From ???@??? Tue Jan 20 11:04:03 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 20 08:11:23 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xugGk-00012Y-00; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:11:18 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.2.32.19980119102622.00704d2c@mail1.hbsp.harvard.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:08:39 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Pickups Resent-Message-ID: <"xd7vHD.A.JI.MrMx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2383 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:11:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 99fec723d2325f6cabc888ae83184371 Status: O X-Status: >My first suggestion for acoustic looping is, GET GOOD PICKUPS!!! Your >looping tone is going to be no better than its raw tone. > >I have a Fishman Blender system that uses a piezo bridge pickup in >combination with an internal condenser microphone. It's very good at >sounding similar to an acoustic guitar. Piezo pickups alone are terrible, >i think. They're missing "air". If you listen on headphones, I agree. If you put them to speakers, you get the "air" between the speakers and the ear. With the mic, you get "air" twice. Reverb helps a lot to simulate "air", too. You can even use a parametric filter to simulate the body resonance, if you like that. But usually the oposit happens: To make the mic sound useable, you have to filter out the body resonance with a parametric filter. I use my piezos directly under the string, without any filtering, just reverb. It sounds neither accoustic nor electric nor plastic, but crystalic, clean, full and extremely dynamic. Microphones create feedback, grab noises, are expensive (if any good)... If a pickup sounds thin, the preamlification probably is not enough high impedance or to far away so the bass is eaten. If it sounds resonancy, weak, unequal, there usually is a mechanical short cirquit around the pickup - in other words the bridge transmits string vibrations to the body without passing through the pickup. If it sounds plastic, usually there is plasic between pickup and string. Matthias From ???@??? Tue Jan 20 11:04:15 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 20 09:28:14 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuhT4-0001ir-00; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:28:06 -0800 Message-ID: <34C4DC6D.B2A37EA9@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:18:37 -0500 From: innerspace@mediaone.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-MOEMW (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New to looping/processing References: <3.0.2.32.19980119102622.00704d2c@mail1.hbsp.harvard.edu> <3.0.2.32.19980120114449.00701b20@mail1.hbsp.harvard.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"f6nByD.A.Gn.2xNx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2389 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:28:06 -0800 X-UIDL: 1dba677a84e29f3abf6cebe0e7a377fc Status: O X-Status: Rich Lamphear wrote: > At 10:45 AM 1/20/98 -0500, you wrote: > > corret I suppose, if you don't like samplers and sequencers... cause a > >sampler w/ a fair amount of memory could do everything you need ( i believe, > >barring you're short on equipment). > > But I'm not aware of a sampler that allows for real-time overdubbing to > looped audio while it's playing...is there any such thing (besides Echoplex > and JamMan?) > > I'm only interested in what I can generate live in real-time...not > interested in sequencing anything ahead of the performance. > > >your looking for out of this unit... I would recommend getting a hold of a > >Jam Man w/ full memoery and both footswitches first, there are plenty of them > >around on this list. If you are fully comfortable w/ the Jam Man, and still > >aren't getting what you want from this box( which is mono- a vortex) then > drop > >some loot on an echoplex pro. > > Thanks for the advice, and I haven't ruled out the JamMan. It's just that > the prices of JamMen seem to be getting bid into the stratosphere (the last > three for sale at Rogue Music's auction have all gone for over $500). At > that price I figure I'll spend a couple more bills and get the added > functionality and memory of the Echoplex. Not to mention the nice pedalboard. > > BTW, NAMM is coming up...any rumors of new loopers on the horizon? Dare we > ask? > > Rich I understand what it is you're looking to do, and I have known a number of people who've used Emu samplers live to great successes... but they usually worked for months ahead of time creating their own samples in a studio environment, then blending the pre-prepared samples with live sound..... as far as new loopers, I think I heard somebody say something about Lexicon doing something.... It only makes sense, If the JamMan is discontinued and currently is gaining value on the used market at an astrnomical rate why wouldn't lexicon want to create a "new" technology to counteract Oberheim's success with the Echo-complex? I don't know anything about all that bs, this punk kid is cuttin out. Nice talking with you. From ???@??? Wed Jan 21 02:04:24 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 21 01:54:16 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xulCd-0002Cf-00; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:27:23 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD25A8.AB5D6500.mblais@ma.ultranet.com> From: Matthew Blais To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Echoplex syncing Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:29:57 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EeA0AB.A.kJB.fQRx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2397 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:27:23 -0800 X-UIDL: 33543dbe7e30cf273e36efdcb6a26791 Status: O X-Status: On Tuesday, January 20, 1998 5:49 AM, Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@annihilist.com] wrote: > First of all, with LoopIII v5.0 the default parameters are set for stereo. > So start off by resetting the parameters on both units. You do this by > turning the power on with the Parameter button held down. Keep it held > until the start up screen finishes and you get to the reset screen. Now all > your parameters should be set right for stereo. > > Next, decide which unit is the master. This is the one where you will > execute all the controls. The slave will just follow it. > > Connect a Midi cable from the Midi Out of the master unit to the Midi in of > the slave. At this point you should be able to execute functions on the > master and see that the slave follows. > > The BrotherSync connection ensures that the stereo units maintain very > tight synchronization between each other, actually locking the sample > clocks together. Make sure you have the right sort of cable. It should be a > 1/4" tip-ring-sleeve (TRS) cable. A mono cable will NOT work. Connect the > BrotherSync's of the two units together with this cable. > > That should be it. The master should control the slave, and you should have > stereo loops. Let me know if you have any other questions. I followed your recommendations to the letter; same results. On these units, BeatSync works, BrotherSync does not. The "sync" dot *never* lights (and the timing drifts) when the units are in BrotherSync mode (default setup). I have tested the cables. I thought perhaps it might be a bad connection internally, but when I had one 5.0 and one 3.x unit (same hardware as now), I seem to remember that BrotherSync OCCASIONALLY would show a "sync" dot, so there must be good connections (?) Please make some more suggestions! I am anxious to get this working; it's been about eight months, now. Thanks, -- Matthew Blais ____________________________________________________ "Healing and Spiritual Crisis" WWW site: http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/blais.html From ???@??? Tue Jan 20 12:14:49 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 20 11:19:48 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xujCy-00062H-00; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:19:36 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:58:38 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: New to looping/processing Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"G61FxB.A.Z6D.NSPx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2392 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:19:36 -0800 X-UIDL: 566d43742d7c07c97cdde9ddae5ef69e Status: O X-Status: Hi New Potential Acoustic Looper: Rich Lamphear wrote: > Hi, > I'm an acoustic guitarist/singer/composer and I'm getting interested in the > concept of looping and processing the acoustic guitar. I'm intrigued with > the idea of extending my solo guitar and voice concept to incorporate new > sounds, textures, and rhythms via electronics. > > I've got a little money to throw at this (~$1500) and I'd like some advice > on how I might best spend the money. > > My idea is to install a decent quality pickup on my acoustic, something > that would maintain a reasonable amount of the acoustic guitar timbre > before sending it to processing. I've heard good things about the Sunrise > and McIntyre pickups for this type of application. > > The Echoplex Digital Pro seems the clear choice for a looper. Has > availability of these improved lately? (sorry if it's a faq, just joined > the list). I did phone Thoroughbred Music and they had three in stock, but > no pedalboards. > > In addition, I'd like a multifx box to do standard digital processing for > both the guitar and the voice. My main question revolves around the issue > of stereo processing. Do you really need 2 Echoplexes to get a decent > stereo sound happening? Do most people running stereo process first (add > reverb, flange, etc.) and then go into 2 Echoplexes? Or do people loop > first and then send the mono looped signal into a stereo processor and > output from there? > > My choices (for around $1500) seem to be: > 1) Echoplex mono into good quality multifx to stereo output. > 2) El cheapo multifx stereo output into 2 Echoplexes operating in sync. > > Any advice to help me think about this would be much appreciated. It sure > would be great to be able to do both the processing and looping in a single > box, but I don't think anything like that's on the market....correct? > > thanks, > Rich The LoOpDoctOrs have their own particular take on "appropriate" technology, but we've journeyed down some of the paths you wish to explore and here's our two cents. 1: acoustic pickups are enjoying a renaissance. We use the Highlander system -- piezo and internal mike combo. It works just grand and you can split the seperate feeds out of the guitar...so there are more processing/looping choices. That said, a single source piezo or whatever will work fine too. Sure it will sound like a piezo/whatever, but it's there to loop and morph, etc. 2: One thing that we think is important on your equipment list for live applications is a MIXER. We use Mackie 1202s, but there are any number of excellent and affordable small mixers. It can't be emphasized how important learning to deal with a mixer is, vis a vis getting a good live sound and taking advantage of all the acoustic looping possibilities. When you can take your mixer and break it down blindfolded in the dark with the drill sargeant barking at you at 1 am, then you know you're in the music zone. So start checking out mixers and the possiblities of hanging your loopers/processors off the aux channels, which will give you molto/mucho/maxi flexibility as far as tossing out cool stuff to the audience. 3: Stereo processors are a GREAT idea after the looper... We use the now discontinued Lexicon Vortex and we SWEAR by it, but we are a loopy lot and some listeners swear at us. There are a lot of stereo processors out there though, and a lot of used one that will take a mono source -- like what will be coming in from your loopers via your mixers -- and turn it into true stereo. We have found the best way to grab our audience is to do everything live in TRUE stereo. The ambient fields created this way can be startling over the most modest pa. Put another way, you will have the biggest sounding acoustic guitar on the block! And remember, that's even before you start looping, so yes, once you get that mixer and pickup sorted out...look for a stereo preamp/processor/effects box. 4: Finally loopers. We own the Jamman and the Echoplex. We love them both for their unique personalities. The Jamman had achieved a cult status by way of now being extinct, but the Echoplex is not unduly complex as far as instant looping gratification, has a MUCH better foot pedal. Can be loaded with three full minutes of memory and is much, much deeper in terms of what can be done if you really get into it. We're not crazy about the manual though, and the faceplate interface is not as intuitive as the Jamman or the Boomer- rrrrrrrannnnngss. Best, the LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Tue Jan 20 12:14:50 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 20 11:19:49 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xujCy-00062C-00; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:19:36 -0800 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:59:02 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Trueman To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New to looping/processing In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980120114449.00701b20@mail1.hbsp.harvard.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"_kuU4D.A.x3D.2RPx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2391 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:19:36 -0800 X-UIDL: f3438e2f527798feecdfef5ddc332c8b Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Rich Lamphear wrote: > At 10:45 AM 1/20/98 -0500, you wrote: > > corret I suppose, if you don't like samplers and sequencers... cause a > >sampler w/ a fair amount of memory could do everything you need ( i believe, > >barring you're short on equipment). > > But I'm not aware of a sampler that allows for real-time overdubbing to > looped audio while it's playing...is there any such thing (besides Echoplex > and JamMan?) > > I'm only interested in what I can generate live in real-time...not > interested in sequencing anything ahead of the performance. If you feel like dealing with a computer (a Mac), the software sampler LiSa will do all this stuff and more. Checkout a demo at www.xs4all.nl. Dan From ???@??? Tue Jan 20 12:14:53 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 20 11:48:55 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xujf6-0001Dd-00; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:48:40 -0800 From: Takadimi Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:32:21 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Unsubscribe Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"PGDYbB.A.7PH.pyPx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2393 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:48:40 -0800 X-UIDL: 6e4ac1041f164a13c981804b1e9c8613 Status: O X-Status: Unsubscribe From ???@??? Tue Jan 20 12:14:55 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 20 11:51:21 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xujhO-0001RS-00; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:51:02 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <14d8709d.34c4a44d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:38:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Re: Echoplex syncing Resent-Message-ID: <"E_SAb.A.vK.A1Px0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2394 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:51:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 9c3df09a50abad6b8f8e6c950a614efc Status: O X-Status: At 8:19 AM -0500 1/20/98, KelRey wrote: >Kim, > >Does holding down the parameter button on power up reintialize the Loop 5 >version setting all parameters back to their original state. yes. you have to hold it longer than in the old version (about 5 seconds or so while it's starting up), but it's the same. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Jan 21 10:29:24 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 21 02:46:00 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xujzW-0003LB-00; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:09:46 -0800 Message-Id: <199801201947.LAA21066@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: "Loop List" Subject: Re: Loopers' Delight CD project link Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:01:39 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-DqnFB.A.gJC.mIQx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2395 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:09:46 -0800 X-UIDL: f35fbd91f0aff4ccc4b67bc82d632c13 Status: O X-Status: > that links to Mr. McCabe's site....Matt, is everything working over there? > > I just tried it, and it seemed to work, maybe it's fixed itself. It's working. If you hit the page and get an error message hit reload. That normally works. BTW, if your name appears on the list of 33 esteemed contributors for the Looper CD, you should be dropping your DAT or CD-R in the mail ASAP to: Matt McCabe 424 W. 2nd Ave Chico, CA 95926 So far I haven't received any tapes and the foul, foul, evil deadline is fast approaching! Buy some stamps for crying out loud!!! Matt From ???@??? Wed Jan 21 02:04:17 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 21 01:32:29 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuwWD-00076J-00; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:32:21 -0800 Sender: jfm3@ix.netcom.com Message-ID: <34C503B3.B4DDAC75@acm.org> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:06:11 -0500 From: Joe Miklojcik Organization: Rutgers University ACS X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping with sequencers.. References: <3.0.1.16.19980117124845.0e975676@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> <34C0B943.9E0FB05@mailbox.syr.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Jgz3aB.A.K_F.I7bx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2412 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:32:21 -0800 X-UIDL: 1cc8c5b3429d6c4e5952a83880a381fa Status: O X-Status: I've been thinking about this alot. There are enough big differences between "sequencer looping" and "delay looping" to make them significantly different. Technologically, the former requires much less memory. Audially, the decay of past generations is somewhat more interesting with the later, although this is a purely subjective judgement. When you play a note into a MIDI sequencer loop, what is typically recorded is 1) what note you played and 2) how hard you played it ("velocity"). This takes somewhere around five bytes to represent in your sequencer (three for the actual MIDI data, a couple of bytes overhead for timing data) regardless of how long your loop is. Now say you want this to feedback at a nice robust 95%; enough to keep the beat around, but also to let old material leave as you evolve the loop. What this means in MIDI is that the note is played a second time without you doing anything at 95% of its original velocity, and then the third time at 95% of 95% of the original velocity, and so on. When you play a note into a digital delay loop, you're essentially recording digital audio. Just for the sake of comparison, let us say that's 44100 2-byte samples every second of loop (that's somewhere near CD-quality in mono). This means 88200 bytes per second of loop for our delay buffer! Now say you want this to feedback at a nice robust 95%; blah blah blah. What this means to a digital delay is that the relative amplitude of each sample is reduced 95% each time it goes through the delay buffer. That's the kicker. When you reduce the velocity of a MIDI note-on message, you are not necessarily reducing the amplitude of the sound. In fact, in most cases, you're changing the sound in very many more ways than amplitude. The effect is far different than if you had used a digital delay for the same purpose. The selection of what modulations occur in response to velocity is critical in this sort of technique. Also, most MIDI synthesizers can only play so many sustained notes at the same time; with a digital delay there is no such limitation. This is part of what makes MIDI loop sequencing attractive for percussion tracks; percussion sounds don't usually sustain for very long, so you don't run out of "voices" in your synth. Also, in usual styles of percussion track evolution (I'm thinking of the x0xes), the "delay feedback" is 100%; to evolve the track you build a completely new one and cut or xfade to it, or play with outboard effects. In sum; you can't easily sound like a Frippertroid with just MIDI sequencer looping. Finally, at the risk of being a horrid A/D troll, I believe that analog tape delays are likely to have a significantly different sound than digital delays, due to the audio characteristics of tape saturation. I wouldn't be sure though, I've never played through an analog tape delay before. (Y 'jfm3) P.S. Interesting... It was certainly once the case that good recording tape was less expensive than computer memory. Nowadays, I'm not so sure that's the case anymore. From ???@??? Tue Jan 20 23:29:08 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 20 12:30:15 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xukJ0-0005Ck-00; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:29:54 -0800 Message-Id: <98Jan20.141600cst.26882@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:18:29 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Manual Overwrite (formerly Manuel O'Veritas) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"FobRC.A.38D.GbQx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2396 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:29:54 -0800 X-UIDL: ba2bcf0bef4cf50564cdf56710a77cf8 Status: O X-Status: Doctors of Loop and all ye assembled Loopers- Yea, verily the Echoplex manual doth not suffice. It is an excellent overview, (thank you Warren Sirota)but the unit is too deep to talk about, it is maybe best explained with examples. It even has the awful reputation of being complex! Therefore, everyone on this list who wants to contribute to re-writing the manual, (to be edited by the fabulous Jackie O. herself), please choose a section you feel most competent with and re-write it. I will collect all efforts and re-print a manual written by the actual experienced users of the Echoplex. Kind of like a Lutheran Ladies Auxiliary cookbook, with italicized credits at the bottom of each recipe thanking the author(s). We will incorporate the "best of" the digest archives and hopefully Kim and Co.'s helpful pages, etc. Free t-shirt to all who contribute. Pepsi and balloons for the kids. All in favor of manual by committee e-mail me. All opposed, look upon the book ye mighty and despair! (Some may think this is a low-budget, pandering, corporate-drive, attempt to enlist off-payroll intellects and transform them into glorified tech manual authors solely because they have spent the time necessary to truly understand the product at a level the so-called Product Manager at Oberheim cannot hope to attain without weeks and months of sleepless night. They are correct. Thank you.) Tom "UnaLooper" KuzIsedzo ;) At 12:58 PM 1/20/98 -0600, you wrote: >Hi New Potential Acoustic Looper: > > > >Rich Lamphear wrote: > >> Hi, >> I'm an acoustic guitarist/singer/composer and I'm getting interested in the >> concept of looping and processing the acoustic guitar. I'm intrigued with >> the idea of extending my solo guitar and voice concept to incorporate new >> sounds, textures, and rhythms via electronics. >> >> I've got a little money to throw at this (~$1500) and I'd like some advice >> on how I might best spend the money. >> >> My idea is to install a decent quality pickup on my acoustic, something >> that would maintain a reasonable amount of the acoustic guitar timbre >> before sending it to processing. I've heard good things about the Sunrise >> and McIntyre pickups for this type of application. >> >> The Echoplex Digital Pro seems the clear choice for a looper. Has >> availability of these improved lately? (sorry if it's a faq, just joined >> the list). I did phone Thoroughbred Music and they had three in stock, but >> no pedalboards. >> >> In addition, I'd like a multifx box to do standard digital processing for >> both the guitar and the voice. My main question revolves around the issue >> of stereo processing. Do you really need 2 Echoplexes to get a decent >> stereo sound happening? Do most people running stereo process first (add >> reverb, flange, etc.) and then go into 2 Echoplexes? Or do people loop >> first and then send the mono looped signal into a stereo processor and >> output from there? >> >> My choices (for around $1500) seem to be: >> 1) Echoplex mono into good quality multifx to stereo output. >> 2) El cheapo multifx stereo output into 2 Echoplexes operating in sync. >> >> Any advice to help me think about this would be much appreciated. It sure >> would be great to be able to do both the processing and looping in a single >> box, but I don't think anything like that's on the market....correct? >> >> thanks, >> Rich > >The LoOpDoctOrs have their own particular take on "appropriate" technology, >but we've journeyed down some of the paths you wish to explore and here's our >two cents. > >1: acoustic pickups are enjoying a renaissance. We use the Highlander system >-- piezo and internal mike combo. It works just grand and you can split the >seperate feeds out of the guitar...so there are more processing/looping >choices. That said, a single source piezo or whatever will work fine too. >Sure it will sound like a piezo/whatever, but it's there to loop and morph, >etc. > >2: One thing that we think is important on your equipment list for live >applications is a MIXER. We use Mackie 1202s, but there are any number of >excellent and affordable small mixers. It can't be emphasized how important >learning to deal with a mixer is, vis a vis getting a good live sound and >taking advantage of all the acoustic looping possibilities. When you can take >your mixer and break it down blindfolded in the dark with the drill sargeant >barking at you at 1 am, then you know you're in the music zone. So start >checking out mixers and the possiblities of hanging your loopers/processors >off the aux channels, which will give you molto/mucho/maxi flexibility as far >as tossing out cool stuff to the audience. > >3: Stereo processors are a GREAT idea after the looper... We use the now >discontinued Lexicon Vortex and we SWEAR by it, but we are a loopy lot and >some listeners swear at us. There are a lot of stereo processors out there >though, and a lot of used one that will take a mono source -- like what will >be coming in from your loopers via your mixers -- and turn it into true >stereo. We have found the best way to grab our audience is to do everything >live in TRUE stereo. The ambient fields created this way can be startling >over the most modest pa. Put another way, you will have the biggest sounding >acoustic guitar on the block! And remember, that's even before you start >looping, so yes, once you get that mixer and pickup sorted out...look for a >stereo preamp/processor/effects box. > >4: Finally loopers. We own the Jamman and the Echoplex. We love them both >for their unique personalities. The Jamman had achieved a cult status by way >of now being extinct, but the Echoplex is not unduly complex as far as instant >looping gratification, has a MUCH better foot pedal. Can be loaded with three >full minutes of memory and is much, much deeper in terms of what can be done >if you really get into it. We're not crazy about the manual though, and the >faceplate interface is not as intuitive as the Jamman or the Boomer- >rrrrrrrannnnngss. > >Best, >the LoOpDoctOrs > > > From ???@??? Wed Jan 21 10:29:21 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 21 02:36:34 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuxWH-0005MT-00; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 02:36:29 -0800 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:51:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801202051.PAA03244@newman.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: RE:Time for digitech machine page Resent-Message-ID: <"cPvOKB.A.0ME.e2cx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2413 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 02:36:29 -0800 X-UIDL: c992de5cc12397867298e0e2142e959b Status: O X-Status: Kim: I'm, assuming that if some misguided soul who didn' get enuf attention as a child was intrigued by the thankless prospect of compiling various boring technical minutiae regarding an inanimate object that has been out of production for years into a FAQ that less than a handful of people will ever see (and when they do, will curse their search engine) . . . . that you would turn the text file into a finished Loopers Web page complete with head counter, flashing messages and the previously mentioned super models fiddling with the KNOBS (AAAOOOOOOOHHHHH . . . KNOBS) on a vintage RDS 8000 with Real-Time Audio and Puddling Video and Java and . . . . Ahem . . well if that is the case, (and if and only the rest of the Deviate League of Time Machinists contribute to the project), I'd have a go . . . Just think . . . bigger than the Jamman (sorry, Greg) . . .more highly sought after than the Eplex (sorry, Tom) , , , capturing more ridiculous bids on the vintage market than Sheryl Crowe's old sox . . . let me know--the world is poised, breathlessly awaiting (and it's time for my medication) >:>::>::>::>:>::>::>: Tom assumed responsibility for collecting and compilingAt 11:03 AM 1/20/98 -0500, you wrote: > > >Kim Flint wrote: > >> At 3:22 PM -0800 1/19/98, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: >> >KRosser414 asked: >> >>appears to be capable of some great stuff, but I need a manual. Anyone >> >>have one? I'd gladly pay for a xerox & postage... >> > >> > >> >I've got their number at home, which I called when I got MINE - and got the >> >manual FREE. >> >> hey, if someone wants to scan the manual, I'd be happy to put it on the >> website. >> >> Also, lots of great info has been posted about this box. It would be great >> if someone could complile it all into a FAQ for the Time Machine page. That >> poor lonely page sure could use someone to take care of it! >> >> Just think of the fame and self promotion it would gain you... Looper's >> Delight gets over 3000 hits a week. All those people looking at YOUR >> handywork....imagine: the job offers come streaming in....overflowing bank >> accounts....new home studio toys....parties with rock stars and super >> models....it could all be yours, just for one measly web page..... >> >> kim >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >> kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >> http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > >Kim... I love the Digitech Time Machine...... > I love Music made with the digitech time machine.... > I love the loopers delight web page.... > > I'm just not smart enough to post my own web page.... > > Sorry....:( > I had to be good at something and it wasn't computers > > > > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Wed Jan 21 02:04:20 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 21 01:42:08 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xumkX-0002Xo-00; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:06:29 -0800 Message-Id: <98Jan20.174651est.18819@thicket.arbortext.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:44:44 -0500 From: David White Reply-To: dwhite@arbortext.com Organization: Arbortext Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Manual Overwrite (formerly Manuel O'Veritas) References: <98Jan20.141600cst.26882@gateway.gibson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Yg2tz.A.hZB._rSx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2399 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:06:29 -0800 X-UIDL: 4abc91843a7072561083dfc6345d5509 Status: O X-Status: As a software product manager in a niche market (SGML/XML authoring and publishing), I find Tom's admittedly blatant attempt to solicit user help in addressing a weakness of his product... refreshing. I'm going to suggest it to our documentation department. I think I'll send in re-written chapters of documentation to Honda, Compaq, Northern Telecom and Microsoft. Especially Microsoft. No, wait... no, not Microsoft... I like my job. Best regards, David White Tom Spaulding wrote: > Doctors of Loop and all ye assembled Loopers- > > Yea, verily the Echoplex manual doth not suffice. It is an excellent > overview, (thank you Warren Sirota)but the unit is too deep to talk about, > it is maybe best explained with examples. It even has the awful reputation > of being complex! > > Therefore, everyone on this list who wants to contribute to re-writing the > manual, (to be edited by the fabulous Jackie O. herself), please choose a > section you feel most competent with and re-write it. I will collect all > efforts and re-print a manual written by the actual experienced users of > the Echoplex. > > Kind of like a Lutheran Ladies Auxiliary cookbook, with italicized credits > at the bottom of each recipe thanking the author(s). We will incorporate > the "best of" the digest archives and hopefully Kim and Co.'s helpful > pages, etc. Free t-shirt to all who contribute. Pepsi and balloons for the > kids. > > All in favor of manual by committee e-mail me. All opposed, look upon the > book ye mighty and despair! > > (Some may think this is a low-budget, pandering, corporate-drive, attempt > to enlist off-payroll intellects and transform them into glorified tech > manual authors solely because they have spent the time necessary to truly > understand the product at a level the so-called Product Manager at Oberheim > cannot hope to attain without weeks and months of sleepless night. They are > correct. Thank you.) > > Tom "UnaLooper" KuzIsedzo ;) > > At 12:58 PM 1/20/98 -0600, you wrote: > >Hi New Potential Acoustic Looper: > > > > > > > >Rich Lamphear wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> I'm an acoustic guitarist/singer/composer and I'm getting interested in the > >> concept of looping and processing the acoustic guitar. I'm intrigued with > >> the idea of extending my solo guitar and voice concept to incorporate new > >> sounds, textures, and rhythms via electronics. > >> > >> I've got a little money to throw at this (~$1500) and I'd like some advice > >> on how I might best spend the money. > >> > >> My idea is to install a decent quality pickup on my acoustic, something > >> that would maintain a reasonable amount of the acoustic guitar timbre > >> before sending it to processing. I've heard good things about the Sunrise > >> and McIntyre pickups for this type of application. > >> > >> The Echoplex Digital Pro seems the clear choice for a looper. Has > >> availability of these improved lately? (sorry if it's a faq, just joined > >> the list). I did phone Thoroughbred Music and they had three in stock, but > >> no pedalboards. > >> > >> In addition, I'd like a multifx box to do standard digital processing for > >> both the guitar and the voice. My main question revolves around the issue > >> of stereo processing. Do you really need 2 Echoplexes to get a decent > >> stereo sound happening? Do most people running stereo process first (add > >> reverb, flange, etc.) and then go into 2 Echoplexes? Or do people loop > >> first and then send the mono looped signal into a stereo processor and > >> output from there? > >> > >> My choices (for around $1500) seem to be: > >> 1) Echoplex mono into good quality multifx to stereo output. > >> 2) El cheapo multifx stereo output into 2 Echoplexes operating in sync. > >> > >> Any advice to help me think about this would be much appreciated. It sure > >> would be great to be able to do both the processing and looping in a single > >> box, but I don't think anything like that's on the market....correct? > >> > >> thanks, > >> Rich > > > >The LoOpDoctOrs have their own particular take on "appropriate" technology, > >but we've journeyed down some of the paths you wish to explore and here's our > >two cents. > > > >1: acoustic pickups are enjoying a renaissance. We use the Highlander system > >-- piezo and internal mike combo. It works just grand and you can split the > >seperate feeds out of the guitar...so there are more processing/looping > >choices. That said, a single source piezo or whatever will work fine too. > >Sure it will sound like a piezo/whatever, but it's there to loop and morph, > >etc. > > > >2: One thing that we think is important on your equipment list for live > >applications is a MIXER. We use Mackie 1202s, but there are any number of > >excellent and affordable small mixers. It can't be emphasized how important > >learning to deal with a mixer is, vis a vis getting a good live sound and > >taking advantage of all the acoustic looping possibilities. When you can > take > >your mixer and break it down blindfolded in the dark with the drill sargeant > >barking at you at 1 am, then you know you're in the music zone. So start > >checking out mixers and the possiblities of hanging your loopers/processors > >off the aux channels, which will give you molto/mucho/maxi flexibility as far > >as tossing out cool stuff to the audience. > > > >3: Stereo processors are a GREAT idea after the looper... We use the now > >discontinued Lexicon Vortex and we SWEAR by it, but we are a loopy lot and > >some listeners swear at us. There are a lot of stereo processors out there > >though, and a lot of used one that will take a mono source -- like what will > >be coming in from your loopers via your mixers -- and turn it into true > >stereo. We have found the best way to grab our audience is to do everything > >live in TRUE stereo. The ambient fields created this way can be startling > >over the most modest pa. Put another way, you will have the biggest sounding > >acoustic guitar on the block! And remember, that's even before you start > >looping, so yes, once you get that mixer and pickup sorted out...look for a > >stereo preamp/processor/effects box. > > > >4: Finally loopers. We own the Jamman and the Echoplex. We love them both > >for their unique personalities. The Jamman had achieved a cult status by way > >of now being extinct, but the Echoplex is not unduly complex as far as > instant > >looping gratification, has a MUCH better foot pedal. Can be loaded with > three > >full minutes of memory and is much, much deeper in terms of what can be done > >if you really get into it. We're not crazy about the manual though, and the > >faceplate interface is not as intuitive as the Jamman or the Boomer- > >rrrrrrrannnnngss. > > > >Best, > >the LoOpDoctOrs > > > > > > From ???@??? Tue Jan 20 23:30:35 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 20 20:18:16 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xurbw-0001d6-00; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:17:56 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD25C3.13116740.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Guitar and audio schematics Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:37:46 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4uJVv.A.3E.fLXx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2404 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:17:56 -0800 X-UIDL: 4fa7d243c2f0f0b69d3733a9dd42030a Status: O X-Status: Just came across this site for schematic sources, don't know if it's been posted on this list before. This URL will take you to guitar effects schematics, there's a bunch of vintage stuff listed. Check the "parent" and "top" directories as well, for general audio resources. http://nyquist.ee.ualberta.ca/~charro/cookbook/audio/guitar/ laurie >From lists@slip.net Tue Jan 20 20:44:48 1998 From ???@??? Tue Jan 20 23:30:29 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 20 18:14:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xupgd-0005ru-00; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:14:39 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD25C3.18810140.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Hello... Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:45:42 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_ebSDC.A.k6D.QYVx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2402 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:14:39 -0800 X-UIDL: 698be87f36a3e837b3bc6b67ffcf68a9 Status: O X-Status: Corynne wrote: > Hi Laurie, It's nice to find other women doing this sort of thing! >Thanks for the reply! What instrument(s) to you play? I'd like to hear >some of what you do... I'll be talking again soon, but as of now, it's >late here so I'm going to sign off. I play bass, mostly. Just recently started making more elaborate loops with a "plex n' tex" rack expansion. (As in echo- and vor-. Sounds like something that is done at a neo-gothic plastic surgeon's joint. Yikes.) You've certainly come to the right place to talk loops. (Does that mean we end up repeating ourselves a lot?) There are some incredibly knowledgeable and helpful people hangin out here, if a little twisted. %^) Moebius Strippers? I'd better stop now. ciao -- laurie >From lists@slip.net Tue Jan 20 19:27:33 1998 From ???@??? Tue Jan 20 23:30:30 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 20 19:27:33 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuqp3-00053h-00; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:27:25 -0800 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 21:06:06 EST From: nm@mail.amsinc.com (ccMail SMTPLINK) Message-Id: <9800208853.AA885359166@mail.amsinc.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message Resent-Message-ID: <"wGRshD.A.C6C.lZWx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2403 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:27:25 -0800 X-UIDL: 62145f6ce9662ac1215b11feafdea4fc Status: O X-Status: Message undeliverable at this time Original text follows ---------------------------------------------- Received: from ferret.slip.net by mail.amsinc.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) ; Tue, 20 Jan 98 21:04:30 EST Return-Path: Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xupWO-0004p1-00; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:04:04 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD25C3.18810140.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Hello... Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:45:42 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Resent-Message-ID: <"_ebSDC.A.k6D.QYVx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2402 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:04:04 -0800 Attachment converted: shards o' data:noname (????/----) (00000BC0) From ???@??? Wed Jan 21 02:04:17 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 21 01:09:11 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuw9k-0004zl-00; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:09:08 -0800 X-Sender: bahnc2@mail.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.2.32.19980120114449.00701b20@mail1.hbsp.harvard.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:40:10 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Curtis Bahn Subject: Re: New to looping/processing Resent-Message-ID: <"MWAYkB.A._1D.Ejbx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2411 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:09:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 8336c14d5dbd748ce7aa85158f3d9215 Status: O X-Status: Also check out MSP, David Zicarelli's signal processing extensions to MAX at http://www.cycling74.com. If you have a powerpc computer you can easily design custom looping and overdubbing algorithms (amoung many other things). It's great ! Programs like MSP and LiSa are taking looping away from the restrictions of commercial hardware, to a whole new level of personal sound design and performance interaction. crb >On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Rich Lamphear wrote: > >> At 10:45 AM 1/20/98 -0500, you wrote: >> > corret I suppose, if you don't like samplers and sequencers... cause a >> >sampler w/ a fair amount of memory could do everything you need ( i >>believe, >> >barring you're short on equipment). >> >> But I'm not aware of a sampler that allows for real-time overdubbing to >> looped audio while it's playing...is there any such thing (besides Echoplex >> and JamMan?) >> >> I'm only interested in what I can generate live in real-time...not >> interested in sequencing anything ahead of the performance. > >If you feel like dealing with a computer (a Mac), the software >sampler LiSa >will do all this stuff and more. Checkout a demo at www.xs4all.nl. > >Dan From ???@??? Tue Jan 20 23:30:35 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 20 20:44:48 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xus1n-0004D8-00; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:44:39 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980120212131.28a72c16@mail.dimensional.com> X-Sender: tanelorn@mail.dimensional.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:21:31 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Scott Subject: Laurie's schematic site Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"WuvuhC.A.8TC.vjXx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2405 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:44:39 -0800 X-UIDL: 4ebaf67841f75986f6f240c01ad88d84 Status: O X-Status: Laurie wrote: >http://nyquist.ee.ualberta.ca/~charro/cookbook/audio/guitar/ Holy mutha-lode, Batman! Get it while you can kids, I don't know how legal this site is but WOW. Got me a schematic for the Micro-Synthesizer. Just remember: don't shake hands with Mister Electricity. Thanks, Laurie! Scott Bullerwell tanelorn@dimensional.com Boulder, Colorado, USA From ???@??? Tue Jan 20 23:30:36 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 20 22:00:10 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xutCb-0003Ua-00; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:59:53 -0800 From: MIvanBerk Message-ID: <4f324bb1.34c58a00@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:39:08 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: LiSa (was Re: New to looping/processing) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"iZY1WC.A.PIC.fvYx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2406 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:59:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 48a92c2ef1e0d12181420dda0c577fd6 Status: O X-Status: As Dan pointed out: >>If you feel like dealing with a computer (a Mac), the software sampler LiSa will do all this stuff and more. Checkout a demo at www.xs4all.nl.<< I recently saw British violinist Kaffe Matthews play a solo set with LiSa and a Powerbook at Harvestworks in NYC. She played a pretty mind-bending polyphonic loop improvisation, and gave a short demo/lecture on her methods and tools (oddly enough, I saw Fripp the following evening, using a stack of TC2290s and Eventides in order to achieve similar multitrack looping goals). LiSa itself is a pretty impressive piece of software, allowing for realtime record and play of five voices, with pitch/speed control and some rudimentary DSP functions for each (and at $250 or so, it costs less than any available hardware looper--not including the Powerbook, of course). -mike From ???@??? Tue Jan 20 23:30:37 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 20 22:02:13 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xunXO-0006T7-00; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:56:58 -0800 X-From_:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Tue Jan 20 15:56:56 1998 To: "Loopers-Delight Postings" Old-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:29:01 -0700 From: "frivolous" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Email Avalanche... X-Sender-Ip: 194.88.91.178 Organization: MailExcite (http://www.mailexcite.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZJef8B.A.TEG.HnTx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2400 Precedence: list X-Diagnostic: /usr/lib/sendmail Loopers-Delight-dist@annihilist.com failed X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:56:58 -0800 X-UIDL: dc3e2d96fd48ecc160cac05689bd798e Status: O X-Status: Sellon, Bob (Exchange) wrote: > > Does anyone know how to route "Loopers-Delight" email to a particular > folder under Microsoft Exhange (V5.0)? I tried using the Inbox Assistant > but couldn't seem to get it to work. It always seems to look at the > originators address instead of LoopersDelight. The sheer volume of > messages is killing me and I would rather not "unsubscribe" if I can get > the messages sent quietly to my LoopersDelight folder. > > Many thanks. > > Bob Sellon > Engineer > Lexicon/Stec What I found was: the mails I get are marked as From the origianl posters, but the To: field says Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com. So, I do the filtering on the TO field, not on the From field (as you would normally do). I'm using Outlook 97, but I believe Exchange supports this method as well... Hope this helps. Brian Thomson (Frivolous) --- frivolous@mailexcite.com London, UK http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/3242/ See the XLChords project - MS Excel does chords? Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com From ???@??? Tue Jan 20 23:29:20 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 20 14:16:08 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xulxi-0006KD-00; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:16:02 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980120233701.1d4f7e26@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:37:01 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: New to looping/processing In-Reply-To: <199801201734.JAA10802@scv2.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"OQbfED.A.GoE.J6Rx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2398 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:16:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 909e64b7520263be0f0cd6264033b748 Status: O X-Status: >>It only makes sense, If the JamMan is discontinued >>and currently is gaining value on the used market at an astrnomical rate why >>wouldn't lexicon want to create a "new" technology to counteract Oberheim's >>success with the Echo-complex? >Because many people waited until the JamMan (and the Vortex) was >discontinued and being blown-out at deep discount before buying one. >That's not the sort of sales record that inspires companies to invest in >new technology. I think (and we could do this to death) that unless you're _really_ going to get into looping (and get an EDP), the JM was just too expensive at its original price. Sound quality apart, most people don't want a helluvalot more functionality than the Zoom 508. If it had more memory and a "fade" function, I'd trade my JM for a 508!!! Michael From ???@??? Wed Jan 21 00:37:36 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 21 00:07:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuvBp-0007J6-00; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:07:13 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: <1ea56d94.34c5a855@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 02:48:35 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers' Delight CD project link Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"IsWus.A.CqF.Zmax0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2407 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:07:13 -0800 X-UIDL: 853b82520b72b1a55609a2181b8184f2 Status: O X-Status: Hi Matt: The LoOpDoctOrs were mixing as we called you and left messages and tried to access the Loopers-Delight project access link. Unfortunately we couldn't get the link to work and llife occasionally intrudes on looping and one of the Docs had an emergency call to attend to in Portland (no kidding..). We are trying to get all our ducks lined up for the contribution and the only question was who to make the entrance fee check out to. Now, we will wait for all the clever suggestions from the group, and comments about dangling participles. Best, The LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Wed Jan 21 00:37:37 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 21 00:12:51 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuvH1-00000S-00; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:12:35 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 02:53:58 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Manual Overwrite (formerly Manuel O'Veritas) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"25N2hB.A.OIG.Urax0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2409 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:12:35 -0800 X-UIDL: 9ce3659c8b5c3fa2993b5f481e63dff0 Status: O X-Status: Dear Tom: Great idea. We get the feeling you like your job or something. We'd recommend Elvis over Jackie. Elvis was looping from the waist down from early on. Meanwhile Jackie, while admittedly looking great in a sheath, basically was a linguist, not a musician. Futhermore, no one has seen her face on any planet that we know about. Best, the LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Wed Jan 21 00:37:39 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 21 00:12:59 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuvHD-00001b-00; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:12:47 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: <730aa315.34c5aa72@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 02:57:36 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: LiSa (was Re: New to looping/processing) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"cORImD.A.gHG.Prax0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2408 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:12:47 -0800 X-UIDL: 6f5ca9fa0dd61fbd06ed74e98f5872d7 Status: O X-Status: Anybody know how much power a powerbook needs to run LiSa? We have an early one with an 020 processor and eight megs of ram. best, the LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Wed Jan 21 00:37:41 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 21 00:28:06 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuvVw-0001Tb-00; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:28:00 -0800 From: ENAT21213 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 03:10:42 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: ANYONE KNOW THE MIDI PEDAL SCHEME FOR THE ECHOPLEX? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"YacKm.A.uQ.k6ax0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2410 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:28:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 5fbe2a396df62f3fbfb21eef2329259d Status: O X-Status: Thanks for the quick reply Kim. The echoplex sounds way more complex than my jamman.Im thinking of investing in one?The only problem I have is this midi controller/echoplex pedalboard access loop 1 thru 9 tap thing. What I do is midi merge two ada mc1 midi pedal controllers together .This gives me access to all 19 of jammans loop functions without having to bank up and down.The ada mc1 has 10 buttons on the face of one pedalboard.So with the press of a button I can get around with ease (essential for me,especially live).I would love it if the echoplex would react in a similar way.I realize the echoplex does not accept midi program changes messages.You mentioned that this feature will be added in a future echoplex.Any idea when this version will be avalible? Sounds like the midi note or continuous controller message for changing loops in echoplex may work for me?Not shure though,is anyone out there using a similar set up to mine with the echoplex?If so mabey you can let me know how this midi note/continouous controler thing works with your midi pedal.I really need to be able to jump from one function to the next with minimal tapping. Any Oberheim dealers in my area?I live in Myrtle Beach S.C. ,anywhere in S.C.,N.C. or GA. would work.I would love to try one out.I'd probably order one right now if I knew I could access most functions(especially loops 1 thru 9) with the press of one button. Thanks for your help and patience, Brian McKenzie In a message dated 98-01-20 06:39:06 EST, you write: << And last is switching with midi. Unlike the JamMan, the echoplex is more like a sampler in this respect. It uses Midi Notes or Continuous Controller messages for changing loops. If you have the velocity parameter turned on, the Echoplex will use the velocity info in the note on message (or the value of the controller) to set the volume of the loop you switch to. You jump directly to the loop you want by pressing it's associated Note/controller number. (you can set which notes/controllers it uses for the loops.) >> From ???@??? Thu Jan 22 00:30:09 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 22 00:12:04 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvHjS-0005MK-00; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:11:26 -0800 Message-Id: <199801211615.IAA6731202@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Re: digitech phone number???? for manuals Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 10:15:22 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"pC18V.A.ngD.Ctvx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2439 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:11:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 6770a1b2ceca44554ce15d299edb60d8 Status: O X-Status: >how does one reach digitech (i know, i'm lazy, but it's easier to ask >rather than swim thru the voice mail/menu stuff. no time) - > >i need a time mach manual , fro the fun of it, if they're free. They're no longer free. According to Digitech: "Thanks for your request. We are currently working on putting all DigiTech owners manuals on the web site. Unfortunately we don't have a format that can be read by both formats (IBM and Apple). In the mean time, you can receive a manual by sending $5 cashiers check or money order to: HARMAN MUSIC GROUP 8760 SO. SANDY PKWY SANDY, UT. 84070 ATTN: KIMM" Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Wed Jan 21 10:30:21 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 21 09:15:23 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xv3k7-00009x-00; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:15:11 -0800 Message-Id: <199801211642.IAA6887530@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Re: New to looping/processing Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 10:43:06 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"jwtR1.A.8SG.Xqix0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2420 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:15:11 -0800 X-UIDL: 2b9b29b56cc047bf9ded5d746f9c5604 Status: O X-Status: >I think (and we could do this to death) that unless you're _really_ going >to get into looping (and get an EDP), the JM was just too expensive at its >original price. Sound quality apart, most people don't want a helluvalot >more functionality than the Zoom 508. If it had more memory and a "fade" >function, I'd trade my JM for a 508!!! What do you mean by a "fade" function? Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Wed Jan 21 10:29:39 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 21 04:41:22 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuzT7-0001FX-00; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 04:41:21 -0800 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:35:39 -0500 From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) Message-Id: <199801211235.AA16477@world.std.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping with sequencers.. References: <3.0.1.16.19980117124845.0e975676@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> <34C0B943.9E0FB05@mailbox.syr.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <"ASfto.A.Kw.euex0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2414 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 04:41:21 -0800 X-UIDL: fb801113fb6037e226794e6a186bacbe Status: O X-Status: >There are enough big differences between "sequencer looping" and "delay >looping" to make them significantly different. >Audially, the decay of past generations is >somewhat more interesting with the later, although this is a purely >subjective judgement. Well... that depends _what_ you thing "decay of past generations" should be. Most audio loopists advocate "the old sound gets quieter and the new sound gets mixed in". Some "hardcore _tape_ loopists" demand the sound of tape with that lowpass filter per loop evolution as "the sound of decay" that they want. Of course, by putting the loop feedback outside of the looper, you can put any effects you want in the loop, although probably at the cost of having to limit the maximum feedback significantly. (But, I don't know anyone who actually does this on a regular basis.) On the other hand, what can MIDI loops do? As you say, "fading" the velocity over time isn't really the same as fading the volume over time. Of course, you can program your synthesizer to do whatever you want in response to the velocity, e.g. only fade volume, close a filter, etc. What you give up is the expressiveness of having the velocity of the original note & the volume decreasing. And that's it, right? That's all you can do for decaying a MIDI loop? Well... how about: - decay by shortening the durations each iteration - "decay" by making the note sound less and less often each iteration (e.g. 4 seconds, then 8, then 16, then 32; or perhaps the fibonacci sequence when you want something more weird--or the prime numbers when you want something unpredictable) - make each "iteration" transmit on its own MIDI channel; then you give each channel its own program, with a volume ramp across all the channels (giving you independent fade and key velocity). Heck, while you're at it, you can make each channel use a different patch/sound/sample and get "echoes" that change instruments. Or maybe use a single sound, but have the volume ramp _up_ instead of down, a sort of "reverse echo". Wow! It seems like there's a lot more possibilities with MIDI looping than at first glance. The big problems that I see: >Also, most MIDI synthesizers can only play so many sustained notes >at the same time; with a digital delay there is no such limitation. I think it's safe to say ALL synthesizers have this problem. This "problem" is of course exactly the thing you don't take advantage if you "MIDI loop naively". The delay doesn't need to "resynthesize" the notes, but the MIDI looper does--so maybe take advantage of that resynthesis. I was thinking about just getting 1 or 2 64-voice MIDI synthesizers to address this problem; that's a lot of money, unfortunately (the Alesis NanoSynth and siblings aren't multi-timbral, and I think they're limited in programming). The other big problem turns out to be MIDI (boy, ZIPI would be much better for this), since you're limited to 16 distinct "channel configurations" (i.e. settings of channel volume, channel pitch bend, etc) which limits how much interesting echo effects you can do without relying on altering the key velocity. With an 8 second loop, 16 tracks of echo will disappear in just over two minutes, though, which isn't _that_ bad. I'm thinking of something like "do cool stuff for 15 echoes and then just key velocity fade out the notes on the 16th track". Unfortunately, doing all of this gives up putting multi-timbral input _into_ the MIDI looper, since each input channel would need its own bank of output channels. >In sum; you can't easily sound like a Frippertroid >with just MIDI sequencer looping. Not with any available software. I'm working[1] on it though. Sean Barrett currently only in the design stages unfortunately From ???@??? Thu Jan 22 00:30:10 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 22 00:24:22 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvHvW-0006ZQ-00; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:23:54 -0800 Message-Id: <199801211845.KAA11158@scv2.apple.com> Subject: Re: New to looping/processing Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 12:46:11 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"-C3sGB.A.gCE.ayvx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2440 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:23:55 -0800 X-UIDL: dead832b1020da33e814d5f496141e9a Status: O X-Status: >Travis: >>What do you mean by a "fade" function? > >A way of dropping the feedback level. The JM has three non-unity feedback >settings - "short","medium" and "long" fades. Unfortunately, they're only >available via MIDI which rather hampers operation, hence my search to find >a pedal which activates one of the Fades. BTW, thanks to everyone who >responded about the MIDI pedal - I think the MIDIsolutions pedal looks ideal. There's a feedback parameter that you can edit on the Zoom. Travis From ???@??? Wed Jan 21 10:29:42 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 21 05:36:25 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xv0KN-0004UG-00; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 05:36:23 -0800 Message-Id: <199801211329.IAA13378@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: female looper, by proxy Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:29:59 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BXMNPB.A.duD.ehfx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2415 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 05:36:23 -0800 X-UIDL: 40280c5dabce331bdb3ac1f3b8b048b7 Status: O X-Status: hello Laurie & Corynne.... i can't get my girlfriend to type into this thing, but for the record, she's a looping fiend as well - we have a bizarre improv oriented looping duo, i play guitarsynth, triggering kawai & yamaha synths, etc, plus vortex, etc etc Cheri is a drummer/percussionist, she makes mad loops with her digitech looper (i forget the #) and a roland ms(??) 100 for live sequence/loops. she also triggers an awesome alesis nanosynth with a drum-kat midi pad set, also some old boss pads. It all loops around and we talk about heavens gate, the gulf war forced vaccination program, or the DARE song over the top of it.... we have a friend named Jane Scarpantoni - she plays cello for Tiny Lights, Indigo Girls, Lounge Lizards. I believe she does a little looping at times.... we have a 80min tape available - we love to trade it for similar releases - we've gotten some cool stuff fr. people on this very list MINUS, OLIVIER MALHOMME and FINGERPAINT are all great !! So - to everyone - email direct re: trade or getting our tape. we'r eplaying this sunday with Elliott Sharp and Chris Haskett of the Rollins band -it'll be an alternative to the superbowl!! andre@monmouth.com > > > > From ???@??? Wed Jan 21 10:29:44 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 21 05:48:52 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xv0WQ-0005UY-00; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 05:48:50 -0800 Message-Id: <199801211343.IAA17001@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: digitech phone number???? for manuals Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:43:53 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vYt9nC.A.i0E.xufx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2416 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 05:48:50 -0800 X-UIDL: 511320a30978e956e76ef5bfcb87382a Status: O X-Status: how does one reach digitech (i know, i'm lazy, but it's easier to ask rather than swim thru the voice mail/menu stuff. no time) - i need a time mach manual , fro the fun of it, if they're free. andre@monmouth.com From ???@??? Wed Jan 21 10:30:01 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 21 08:02:15 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xv2bW-0000HJ-00; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:02:14 -0800 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:54:34 -0500 (EST) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <980121105434_186410898@mrin54> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: LiSa (was Re: New to looping/processing) Resent-Message-ID: <"9g8w2B.A.a_G.3phx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2417 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:02:14 -0800 X-UIDL: e4629003210db5e6c798efba01d715b9 Status: O X-Status: Hey, I want to hear more about LiSa...went to the URL given and couldn't figure out WHAT it was, even in English (or find a ref to LiSa)....and a web search brought up nothing on the thing....HELP! and THANKS! dpc From ???@??? Wed Jan 21 10:30:08 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 21 08:25:59 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xv2yK-0002VG-00; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:25:48 -0800 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:12:06 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Trueman To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: LiSa (was Re: New to looping/processing) In-Reply-To: <980121105434_186410898@mrin54> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"_2W_EC.A.ZTB.N8hx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2418 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:25:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 3bf3e733d52df830fd80813e3cc8adac Status: O X-Status: OK, I found the specific link you need: http://www.xs4all.nl/~steim/lisa.html Pretty cool; I've used it a lot in performance. It has never crashed, and it is quite flexible... You can download a demo from them. dan On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote: > Hey, I want to hear more about LiSa...went to the URL given and couldn't > figure out WHAT it was, even in English (or find a ref to LiSa)....and a web > search brought up nothing on the thing....HELP! and THANKS! > dpc > From ???@??? Wed Jan 21 10:30:20 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 21 09:11:51 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xv3gk-0007Xf-00; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:11:42 -0800 From: ZeplinSoup Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:53:54 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping with sequencers.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"ujFGmC.A.R6F.Anix0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2419 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:11:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 0b07190242be83f8e2d9d9a60d10410e Status: O X-Status: I like it when David letterman describes someone as "loopy" anywayz regarding sequencers and looping...I use my sequencer(cakewalk or LogicAudio) to set the loop time on the Jamman.typically I will have a drum loop with the # of beats I need.I will send a program change message at the 1st beat and another to define the end of the loop (5:01:000 for a four bar loop).Now i have drums that are in synch with the jamman allowing me to keep a consistent time feel from loop to loop...next i eitsometimes add to the drums by outputting it to the vortex which is setup with the same tempo.I just play next until I start to get something cool goin on...hopefully I can piece together the seperate loops into a coherent song (kinda).This metod insures that the different loops will stay in synch with each other..also with the jamman if you need other loops in different tempos or perhaps the same tempo but a different number of beats....no problem !should be easy this way...once i have a collection of loops it is very easy to now add other MIDi instruments--different drums---whatever let your imagination go wild...that will easily match the tempo feel of the audio loops...at this point i usually manipulate regions and playlists,and do some dsp if needed.... Reeve From ???@??? Wed Jan 21 11:16:35 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 21 10:35:11 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xv4zU-0002yD-00; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:35:08 -0800 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:35:13 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Dubofsky To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Re: New to looping/processing In-Reply-To: <199801211642.IAA6887530@scv1.apple.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"IzGBzB.A.sDB.xwjx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2423 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:35:08 -0800 X-UIDL: d16ec2c17f4bbd198c6ac91cb4afec08 Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, T.W. Hartnett wrote: > >I think (and we could do this to death) that unless you're _really_ going > >to get into looping (and get an EDP), the JM was just too expensive at its > >original price. Sound quality apart, most people don't want a helluvalot > >more functionality than the Zoom 508. If it had more memory and a "fade" > >function, I'd trade my JM for a 508!!! > > What do you mean by a "fade" function? > if he's talking about feedback than it does it. I spent about 6 hours with my 508 yesterday, damn nice piece for a measily 100 bucks. i love children..... especially in soups and salads skullsaw's brainstem http://www.gti.net/skullsaw From ???@??? Wed Jan 21 11:16:36 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 21 10:35:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xv4zk-00030B-00; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:35:24 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Ott, John" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: LiSa Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:54:04 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"_OTOBB.A.99.Ewjx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2422 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:35:24 -0800 X-UIDL: dc4c03aaa1772f8f197b247a9c2f7d5f Status: O X-Status: I think in order to do real time you need a powerbook that supports asynchronous I/O, otherwise the recording and playback will be bursty and the sound breaks up. You need to stream the data hence the need for asynchronous I/O. That would limit it to the 500 series, the 5300 and the 3400, I don't know if the new G3 powerbook have asynchronous. I/O or not. You can download the demo and try it to see if your powerbook will work. The demo is fully functional you just can't save any samples. later John > ---------- > From: Fmplautus > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 8:06 AM > To: John_Ott@ATK.COM > Subject: Re: LiSa (was Re: New to looping/processing) > > Anybody know how much power a powerbook needs to run LiSa? We have an > early > one with an 020 processor and eight megs of ram. > > best, > the LoOpDoctOrs > From ???@??? Wed Jan 21 10:29:31 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 21 03:47:59 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xunZY-0006eC-00; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:59:12 -0800 X-From_:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Tue Jan 20 15:59:10 1998 From: Takadimi Message-ID: <6c69c921.34c4fb65@aol.com> Old-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:30:42 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: Echoplex functions ? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"J63sf.A.gMG.toTx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2401 Precedence: list X-Diagnostic: /usr/lib/sendmail Loopers-Delight-dist@annihilist.com failed X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:59:12 -0800 X-UIDL: b17f0db7ee39adc4a4d6b160ef5f2108 Status: O X-Status: Thanks for the info. I'll probably wind up buying the Echoplex. Since I'm not a looper and not interested in 99% of the email I'm getting from Loopers Delight I'm going to have to Unsubscribe-there's just too much volume. Thanks again for your help. Sincerely, Todd From ???@??? Thu Jan 22 00:27:45 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 21 12:46:52 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xv72O-0002Py-00; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:46:16 -0800 Message-ID: <34C65B2D.3DB35707@mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:31:41 -0500 From: innerspace@mediaone.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-MOEMW (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Manual Overwrite (formerly Manuel O'Veritas) References: <98Jan20.141600cst.26882@gateway.gibson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vHCpY.A.Fx.Mtlx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2425 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:46:16 -0800 X-UIDL: 90d14f059e679dc2a174c664f58e3dd8 Status: O X-Status: Tom Spaulding wrote: > Doctors of Loop and all ye assembled Loopers- > > Yea, verily the Echoplex manual doth not suffice. It is an excellent > overview, (thank you Warren Sirota)but the unit is too deep to talk about, > it is maybe best explained with examples. It even has the awful reputation > of being complex! > > Therefore, everyone on this list who wants to contribute to re-writing the > manual, (to be edited by the fabulous Jackie O. herself), please choose a > section you feel most competent with and re-write it. I will collect all > efforts and re-print a manual written by the actual experienced users of > the Echoplex. > > Kind of like a Lutheran Ladies Auxiliary cookbook, with italicized credits > at the bottom of each recipe thanking the author(s). We will incorporate > the "best of" the digest archives and hopefully Kim and Co.'s helpful > pages, etc. Free t-shirt to all who contribute. Pepsi and balloons for the > kids. > > All in favor of manual by committee e-mail me. All opposed, look upon the > book ye mighty and despair! > > (Some may think this is a low-budget, pandering, corporate-drive, attempt > to enlist off-payroll intellects and transform them into glorified tech > manual authors solely because they have spent the time necessary to truly > understand the product at a level the so-called Product Manager at Oberheim > cannot hope to attain without weeks and months of sleepless night. They are > correct. Thank you.) > > Tom "UnaLooper" KuzIsedzo ;) > I'm all for the idea of corporate chaos, however, I was so unsuccessfull in decoding the manual that is in existence in this reality, today, that I have no technical knowledge whatsoever in comparison to everybody else on this list... but I have to say, you rule. From ???@??? Thu Jan 22 00:27:53 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 21 12:57:07 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xv7Ce-0003dA-00; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:56:52 -0800 Message-ID: <34C65DB5.AA3892C9@mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:42:29 -0500 From: innerspace@mediaone.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-MOEMW (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE:www-cycling74 wow.:) References: <3.0.2.32.19980120114449.00701b20@mail1.hbsp.harvard.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1mNkwD.A.e8B.l3lx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2426 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:56:52 -0800 X-UIDL: 60a32e9b68be08c735f4d072187b3fc4 Status: O X-Status: Curtis Bahn wrote: > Also check out MSP, David Zicarelli's signal processing extensions to MAX > at http://www.cycling74.com. If you have a powerpc computer you can easily > design custom looping and overdubbing algorithms (amoung many other > things). It's great ! Programs like MSP and LiSa are taking looping away > from the restrictions of commercial hardware, to a whole new level of > personal sound design and performance interaction. > crb > hey there... I'm new to PC...home PC that is, recording. What you wrote about this site and these programs is way too interesting to pass up... but I suspect its a bit over my head. I've got a P2 266/mmx w/ 6gb, and a few years experience in a studio. How hard is this? I don't think I'm dumb, I should be able to figure it out. Any advice? From ???@??? Thu Jan 22 00:29:12 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 21 19:46:49 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvDb2-0005Oq-00; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:46:28 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980121125336.00a81eb0@global.california.com> X-Sender: sechevar@global.california.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:53:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: RE:www-cycling74 wow.:) In-Reply-To: <34C65DB5.AA3892C9@mediaone.net> References: <3.0.2.32.19980120114449.00701b20@mail1.hbsp.harvard.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"yw4t_.A.h0C.swrx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2435 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:46:28 -0800 X-UIDL: b3fe9934d3a63f9fec07429cd38ef549 Status: O X-Status: As PC users, you and I are out of luck unless MAX gets ported from Mac :( At 03:42 PM 1/21/98 -0500, innerspace@mediaone.net wrote: >hey there... I'm new to PC...home PC that is, recording. What you wrote about >this site and these programs is way too interesting to pass up... but I suspect >its a bit over my head. >I've got a P2 266/mmx w/ 6gb, and a few years experience in a studio. How hard is >this? I don't think I'm dumb, I should be able to figure it out. Any advice? From ???@??? Thu Jan 22 00:28:01 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 21 13:18:26 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xv7XQ-000618-00; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:18:20 -0800 Message-ID: <34C662B0.A81368DE@mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:03:44 -0500 From: innerspace@mediaone.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-MOEMW (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: ooops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kR9UXB.A.cME.PLmx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2427 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:18:20 -0800 X-UIDL: d900cb7a5132ec61f7352c361d196272 Status: O X-Status: ooops. please disregard my message regarding LiSa... I don't have a mac. but, is there anything like this for my PC.... there we go, valid question:> From ???@??? Thu Jan 22 00:28:04 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 21 13:39:55 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xv7rv-0000ca-00; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:39:31 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980121212341.00caa8e4@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:23:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE:www-cycling74 wow.:) Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"BqABGD.A.WVG.gemx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2428 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:39:31 -0800 X-UIDL: 5ad4839db97a2eed2f11becb7fbdb738 Status: O X-Status: At 03:42 PM 1/21/98 -0500, innerspace@mediaone.net wrote: > > >Curtis Bahn wrote: > >> Also check out MSP, David Zicarelli's signal processing extensions to MAX >> at http://www.cycling74.com. If you have a powerpc computer you can easily >> design custom looping and overdubbing algorithms (amoung many other >> things). It's great ! Programs like MSP and LiSa are taking looping away >> from the restrictions of commercial hardware, to a whole new level of >> personal sound design and performance interaction. >> crb >> > >hey there... I'm new to PC...home PC that is, recording. What you wrote about >this site and these programs is way too interesting to pass up... but I suspect >its a bit over my head. >I've got a P2 266/mmx w/ 6gb, and a few years experience in a studio. How hard is >this? I don't think I'm dumb, I should be able to figure it out. Any advice? In the case of David Z's Max objects, you may be out of luck. Max is a Macintosh program. (and a truly awesome and ridiculously useful one at that.) Last I heard there were no serious plans to port it to PC. Don't know about LiSa. Oh, and if you don't know who David Zicarelli is, pretty much anything he's ever been involved with is likely to be great. (except maybe g-wiz, he worked there for a brief time near the end, but not long enough to do anything good.) kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Jan 22 00:28:14 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 21 13:50:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xv82X-0001pP-00; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:50:29 -0800 Message-Id: <199801212118.NAA11814@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: some torn live stuff Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:31:12 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dAQayC.A.MR.Wpmx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2429 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:50:29 -0800 X-UIDL: c9d64214771dc69a5f457cd33d65e725 Status: O X-Status: > From: Texture444 > 3/1, l.a.: solo concert @ mccabes, in santa monica. Hmmm....too bad I'm not related to those McCabes. I guess I could fake it. Free tickets to everyone on Looper's Delight...just tell 'em Matt sent you!! :-) Matt McCabe From ???@??? Thu Jan 22 00:28:31 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 21 16:40:30 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvAgv-0004Mh-00; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:40:21 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199801212138.NAA25353@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: www-cycling74 wow.:) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:38:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <34C65DB5.AA3892C9@mediaone.net> from "innerspace@mediaone.net" at Jan 21, 98 03:42:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"t6EAYC.A.jxC.uJpx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2433 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:40:21 -0800 X-UIDL: 985e3d95fc0cba610a17a90227abb8ab Status: O X-Status: > Curtis Bahn wrote: > > > Also check out MSP, David Zicarelli's signal processing extensions to MAX > > at http://www.cycling74.com. If you have a powerpc computer you can easily > > design custom looping and overdubbing algorithms (amoung many other > > things). It's great ! Programs like MSP and LiSa are taking looping away > > from the restrictions of commercial hardware, to a whole new level of > > personal sound design and performance interaction. > > crb > > > > hey there... I'm new to PC...home PC that is, recording. What you wrote about > this site and these programs is way too interesting to pass up... but I suspect > its a bit over my head. > I've got a P2 266/mmx w/ 6gb, and a few years experience in a studio. How hard is > this? I don't think I'm dumb, I should be able to figure it out. Any advice? Since you have a PC and not a Mac, maybe you should check out Kyma/Capybara by Symbolic Sound. The beauty of Kyma/Capybara is that it runs on a separate box loaded with DSPs instead of directly on your computer so it doesn't rob processing time from your computer. The computer mainly serves as a controller for the box. Symbolic Sound just started offering a PCMIA card so that you can run Kyma on a laptop. I don't know if it has looping/overdubbing functions like the Echoplex but maybe it's worth a look. The URL is http://www.symbolicsound.com/ BTW, Kyma runs on both Macs and PCs. Capybara is the DSP box. Cheers, Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Jan 22 01:18:51 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 22 01:09:50 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvDbf-0005TB-00; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:47:07 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980121150932.00a615b0@global.california.com> X-Sender: sechevar@global.california.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:09:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: New to looping/processing In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19980121235043.1eb7159c@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> References: <199801211642.IAA6887530@scv1.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"yTIFLC.A.E1C.zwrx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2436 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:47:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 5db4b90356ba4d01574f0b0f0033c9ce Status: O X-Status: At 11:50 PM 1/21/98, Michael P. Hughes wrote: >>Do you have any info on the MIDI solutions pedal? > >Try www.midisolutions.com The pedal costs $100 and is programmed via SysEx >messages. Or they'll preprogram it for $20. Check out http://www.midi-classics.com/hardm.htm#53 for discounted pricing. From ???@??? Thu Jan 22 00:29:01 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 21 17:13:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvBDI-00009a-00; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:13:48 -0800 X-Sender: bahnc2@mail.rpi.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34C65DB5.AA3892C9@mediaone.net> References: <3.0.2.32.19980120114449.00701b20@mail1.hbsp.harvard.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:35:33 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Curtis Bahn Subject: RE:www-cycling74 wow.:) Resent-Message-ID: <"IcLgLB.A.qKG.8opx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2434 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:13:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 241166e145c5887948a20c235636c09d Status: O X-Status: >Curtis Bahn wrote: > >> Also check out MSP, David Zicarelli's signal processing extensions to MAX >> at http://www.cycling74.com. If you have a powerpc computer you can easily >> design custom looping and overdubbing algorithms (amoung many other >> things). It's great ! Programs like MSP and LiSa are taking looping away >> from the restrictions of commercial hardware, to a whole new level of >> personal sound design and performance interaction. >> crb >> > >hey there... I'm new to PC...home PC that is, recording. What you >wrote about >this site and these programs is way too interesting to pass up... but I >suspect >its a bit over my head. >I've got a P2 266/mmx w/ 6gb, and a few years experience in a studio. How >hard is >this? I don't think I'm dumb, I should be able to figure it out. Any advice? Unfortunately you need a powerpc macintosh to run MAX/MSP. On Intel machines, I don't know of anything that is as powerful, general and inexpensive as MAX/MSP for simple, graphical development of interactive audio processing. Some possibilities may be "Pure Data and GEM" which would run under windows NT - and allows realtime video/graphics processing as well as digital sound processing, or, the MARS digital audio workstation environment which has a max-like graphical programming environment as a "front-end" to a very powerful audio engine (you could loop for hours on this thing, filtering, reversing, scrubbing, reverberating etc. and all you would have to cart around would be one computer instead of racks of gear.) Information on these developments, and other musical software of varying degrees of interest to loopers, are listed on my software resources page at the Electronic Music Foundation - http://www.emf.org/sites/software.html. I'll continue to add to this page as new software for performance becomes available. cheers, crb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Curtis Bahn iEAR Studios, DCC 135 Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Troy, New York, 12180 office (518) 276-4032 fax (518) 276-4780 email crb@rpi.edu From ???@??? Thu Jan 22 00:28:29 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 21 16:18:43 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvALl-00021i-00; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:18:29 -0800 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:05:37 -0800 Message-Id: <199801220005.QAA02049@fracture.lizard.net> From: Ray Peck To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: LiSa In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.32 under Emacs 19.34.1 Resent-Message-ID: <"yXNnsB.A.hw.c2ox0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2431 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:18:29 -0800 X-UIDL: 9624a48a2443d1ccf978ad24a8679bfa Status: O X-Status: Just looked in on the list for the first time in a *long* while, and thought I'd chime in with something helpful for a change. . . In the same ballpark as LiSa is Generator, from Native Instruments. It's *much* more flexible than LiSa. Unfortunately, I haven't gotten the ADC module to work yet, and they're not sure what's wrong. . . so I haven't tried the looping capabilities yet. Anyway, (assuming they can get the problem fixed), you can do things like create 8 synced stereo loopers, with changable ratios of loop lengths (e.g., one loop looping in 5 and one in 7), with the ratio and levels and record state of each controlled by yer Peavey 1600 MIDI fader box. Sync them to a set of virtual sequencers each driving a virtual MiniMoog. Save and restore setups for each song to disk. Etc. Imagine the Peavey 1600 fader box set up with 8 pairs of faders, one pair for each looper. Left fader of the pair controls how long the loop is, continuously or in beats (whichever you like), right one controls level. Left button turns on record when the next beat comes around. Looper automatically stops recording when the set loop length or number of beats is over (no more trying to tap just at the right moment.) Right button mutes the channel (or whatever you want). As much loop memory as yer PC has (yeah I know, I'm a Mac fan, too). Throw in real-time processing on each of the loops, as well (e.g., chorusing, stereo crossfades, FM between two signals, whatever). I haven't messed with my faderbox enough to know, but it seems like you could set it up to switch between a number of sets of midi channel assignments, so you could flip the faderboard between controlling the loops, and controlling the processing, as you were performing. http://www.native-instruments.de/ I'll let folks know once I've got it working. ------------- Note: my email address is hacked as an anti-spam measure. Please remove the 'no-spam-' to reply to me. Sorry for the inconvenience. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "New music is not a style, it is a quality" - Robert Fripp, as scratched in the Sacred Songs LP runout grooves From ???@??? Thu Jan 22 00:28:29 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 21 16:37:39 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvAdz-00041k-00; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:37:19 -0800 From: PMimlitsch Message-ID: <3805645a.34c68f28@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:13:19 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, stickwire-l@netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Stick/Loop Show Content-type: text/plain Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"lvpelB.A.yZC.LGpx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2432 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:37:19 -0800 X-UIDL: c4441ee8ab9fb01ea0a8e4d49367611b Status: O X-Status: "Explorations in Time and Space" - an evening of Soundscapes and Improvisations w/Paul Mimlitsch (Chapman Stick¨/Loops) and J. Jody Janetta (Percussion/Loops/Treated Voice). Day/Date-Sat. Jan. 24th. Place-Cafe Seattle (354-2220), Haddonfield, New Jersey. (The corner of Haddon and Redman). Time-8:00pm to closing. From ???@??? Thu Jan 22 10:33:13 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 22 04:08:32 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvLQk-0000F4-00; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 04:08:22 -0800 Message-ID: <34C696E8.988DEE85@bellsouth.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:46:32 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: music you dont hear on the radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZOtAbC.A.f2G.-Qzx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2446 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 04:08:22 -0800 X-UIDL: 70d5648f517ba7d2b403f156ae3b6295 Status: O X-Status: Had to pass this on,I just found out that wrek,a local collage station is in ra.well,just check it out!Ive listened to this station for 20 yrs.(no wonder!)Jeff Duke sr.http://www.gatech.edu/wrek/wrek.html From ???@??? Thu Jan 22 01:36:30 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 22 01:25:29 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvIsu-0004K3-00; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:25:16 -0800 Message-ID: <34C6AB01.4A24@magic.ca> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:12:19 -0500 From: Steve Cowan Reply-To: sc@magic.ca Organization: Free World Media X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: sc@magic.ca Subject: can't find an echoplex in Toronto area Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ln8pPB.A.62C.4zwx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2442 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:25:16 -0800 X-UIDL: 9a5e27b500d1f69eaa6b84793123a7b4 Status: O X-Status: Is anybody else having similar problems? Any suggestions where to go, or why have they been on back order at the major stores for over 6 months? From ???@??? Thu Jan 22 00:30:07 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 22 00:02:29 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvHaL-0004SP-00; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:02:01 -0800 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:18:35 -0500 (EST) From: CORROSIVE@aol.com Message-ID: <980121211834_1363974257@mrin53> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: digitech RDS-8000 Resent-Message-ID: <"5cGq8D.A.T9C.cnvx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2437 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:02:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 875b51b5a1568094f021420daf66530f Status: O X-Status: just wondering if there are any differences (other than rack mountness) between the RDS-8000 & the PDS-8000. I love my Jamman & Oberheim DEP, but consistantly find myself groovin on the lo-res loopsound of the PDS-8000 & especially the Electro Harmonix super replay! >>>thanks From ???@??? Wed Jan 21 11:16:39 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 21 10:52:18 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xv5Fq-00057T-00; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:52:02 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980121192839.191fe066@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:28:39 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: New to looping/processing In-Reply-To: <199801211642.IAA6887530@scv1.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"wFCEH.A.u3C.FAkx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2424 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:52:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 53e43f442ae51855982b030aafd5994a Status: O X-Status: Me: >>more functionality than the Zoom 508. If it had more memory and a "fade" >>function, I'd trade my JM for a 508!!! Travis: >What do you mean by a "fade" function? A way of dropping the feedback level. The JM has three non-unity feedback settings - "short","medium" and "long" fades. Unfortunately, they're only available via MIDI which rather hampers operation, hence my search to find a pedal which activates one of the Fades. BTW, thanks to everyone who responded about the MIDI pedal - I think the MIDIsolutions pedal looks ideal. Michael PS Lex people, what are the feedback levels for Fade? I have no idea, never having tried them.... From ???@??? Thu Jan 22 01:18:46 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 22 00:28:27 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvHzb-0006zt-00; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:28:07 -0800 From: Marzzz Message-ID: <3405dcd8.34c6c3ef@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:58:33 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Kyma (was: www-cycling74 wow.:) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"3cIopC.A.DZE.G2vx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2441 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:28:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 4bc411d0519cf6048357670fbc942a5e Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 1/21/98 6:36:58 PM, Paolo wrote: >Since you have a PC and not a Mac, maybe you should check out Kyma/Capybara >by Symbolic Sound. The beauty of Kyma/Capybara is that it runs on a >separate box loaded with DSPs instead of directly on your computer so it >doesn't rob processing time from your computer. The computer mainly serves >as a controller for the box. Symbolic Sound just started offering a >PCMIA card so that you can run Kyma on a laptop. I don't know if it has >looping/overdubbing functions like the Echoplex but maybe it's worth a look. >From what I know about the Kyma system, it should be able to perform looping and overdubbing functions in real time, it is extremely flexible.....the only downside is that a system would cost a little over $4000 right now, but then again that isn't so bad if you compare it to an Eventide..... Marshall From ???@??? Thu Jan 22 00:30:08 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 22 00:03:09 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvHav-0004Vs-00; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:02:37 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: <4d316eaf.34c6fa15@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 02:49:39 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: LiSa Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"PPbB9B.A.GFD.novx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2438 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:02:37 -0800 X-UIDL: abdb1246753566147268d45248d4c5a3 Status: O X-Status: Thanks John: Our powerbook won't work but we'll download the software for the 7100. Great stuff. Best, the LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Thu Jan 22 00:28:19 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 21 14:34:47 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xv8jG-0006cv-00; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:34:38 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980121235043.1eb7159c@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:50:43 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: New to looping/processing In-Reply-To: References: <199801211642.IAA6887530@scv1.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"hGcae.A.tyE.OTnx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2430 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:34:38 -0800 X-UIDL: 685d34d6e1d0a77262f9ad794685f44d Status: O X-Status: >if he's talking about feedback than it does it. I spent about 6 hours with >my 508 yesterday, damn nice piece for a measily 100 bucks. Wow! It does? THis is a big problem with the 508 - the literature and reviews are most non-loop-oriented, so one never finds out exactly what it does. Would anyone care to do a comprehensive review and post in on the LD webpage? >Do you have any info on the MIDI solutions pedal? Try www.midisolutions.com The pedal costs $100 and is programmed via SysEx messages. Or they'll preprogram it for $20. Michael From ???@??? Thu Jan 22 10:33:00 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 22 01:52:10 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvJId-0006UX-00; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:51:51 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199801212138.NAA25353@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> References: <34C65DB5.AA3892C9@mediaone.net> from "innerspace@mediaone.net" at Jan 21, 98 03:42:29 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:35:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: www-cycling74 wow.:) Resent-Message-ID: <"YLoQu.A.e6E.ZMxx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2443 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:51:51 -0800 X-UIDL: cdf686034d9a780d93dd7af996fc2cbc Status: O X-Status: At 1:38 PM -0800 1/21/98, Paolo Valladolid wrote: >> Curtis Bahn wrote: >> >> > Also check out MSP, David Zicarelli's signal processing extensions to MAX >> > at http://www.cycling74.com. If you have a powerpc computer you can >>easily >> > design custom looping and overdubbing algorithms (amoung many other >> > things). It's great ! Programs like MSP and LiSa are taking looping away >> > from the restrictions of commercial hardware, to a whole new level of >> > personal sound design and performance interaction. >> > crb One thing kind of troubling about the computer based systems for real-time use is the latency problems. (meaning the time it would take for audio to be sent in and sent back out again.) On the MSP site some typical latencies are actually listed as: Audio input to audio output latency on a 9600/300: Using the Digidesign Audiomedia III: 46ms Using the Sound Manager: 294ms that's definitely in the range where you would notice it in some situations, especially with looping and trying to maintain precise grooves. And this is on a very fast (and expensive) system! I know that PC's suffer from the same problem. The audio has to go through a lot of operating system to get to where it's useable, and a lot more operating system to get out again. So those of you using systems like these for real-time audio I/O, how do you deal with that? Are you able to operate it with any timing precision for real-time audio events? And I don't mean hard disk recording where the system has opportunities to compensate for the latency. I mean audio really going in and out, like you might have on a typical stand alone audio processor. Anyone? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Jan 22 10:33:01 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 22 01:57:34 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvJNu-0006wK-00; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:57:18 -0800 X-Sender: cstecker@barr642.berkeley.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:48:25 -0800 To: analogue@hyperreal.org, snuggles@kuci.org, loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: cstecker@ovenguard.com (Chris Stecker) Subject: Bay Area Event Saturday! Resent-Message-ID: <"jTSFRD.A.kgF.uTxx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2444 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:57:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 22fa9b75e3c64667fc5f916313c06637 Status: O X-Status: Attention Bay Area AH'ers, snugglers, and loopers: you may be interested in the event below. Plenty of your fellow analogue enthusiasts, experimental sound-collage artists and loop freaks will be performing, and having a great time. Come on out and meet us! Apologies, of course, to those not local to the Bay Area, or not interested. -Chris ------ AirSickBags Omnimedia+(NOISIA) & Ovenguard Music Present: [OMNIMEDIA v.03] ~An Evening of Overlapping Experimental Electronic Mayhem~ Featuring electronic musicians, visual artists, and modifyers of technology in a massive train wreck of son-optic proportions. Saturday, January 24th, 8pm-1:30am @ cell 2050 Bryant St, between 18th/19th $7-10 slide (all proceeds benefit the cell video projector fund!) come early, there's a lot to see/hear ******electronix musicians: Space Mesa-gourmet blend of sauteed samples gently tossed on a crisp bed of vintage analogs, served with fresh-baked beats moderately sprinkled with freshly-filtered reverb univac&modrn-mind-controlled drum machines, modified toys, proximity detector, powerbook, and analog madness Gustavo and His MetaGraph-multi-armed, multi-output turntable, minimalism through 16mm Bran Flakes-Fractured Fragmented Formatted Flavor, featuring Rev. Otis F. Odder, Das (of Big City Orchestra) and Phineas Narco Wobbly-the workers' movement unites with the looming spectre of children's stories for a twisted march toward a brighter, wobblier tomorrow Involution-The "Hall & Oates" of experimental noise return from their travels east with tantalizing textures and sizzling soundbits for a rare San Francisco appearance Wet Gate-multiple 16mm projector foundsoundsource collage ******electronix installations: Wild Vectors-examine stark naked system software up-close and personal. Presented LIVE in ACTION! -for your viewing pleasure, by Chris de Monterey and Mike Kan Memory Tank-languid dreams projected like memory onto your frontal lobes; an audiovisual representation constructed by David Washington Peter King-life-sized analog fractals, step on up! Dan Doerner-Visual Sampling; Projections of Digital Art & Animation...courtesy of Steinberg's Expose EyeTribe-live multisource kaleidoscopic video degeneration Imaja-the creator of "Bliss Paint" Greg Jalbert mixes up some algorithmic goo for your visual pleasure OptikalNutraSweet-a bucket of slides and a barrowful of 16mm PLUS: Drive the Video Feedback Tractor!! info: univac@sirius.com, cstecker@ovenguard.com All acts and exhibits embrace the tenet of Trickle-Down Technology: The tech you covet today, you'll find at a swap meet or garage sale tomorrow... ___________________________________________________________________________ Chris Stecker cstecker@cogsci.berkeley.edu Graduate Student, Psychoacoustics 3210 Tolman Hall, #1650 University of California, Berkeley Berkeley CA 94720-1650 Auditory Lab, B-50 Tolman Hall, (510)642-5352 http://ear.berkeley.edu !!Ask me about Space Mesa, Ovenguard Music, Receptacle Culture, and CELL!! From ???@??? Thu Jan 22 10:34:25 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 22 09:44:22 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvQfa-0007Df-00; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:44:03 -0800 Message-Id: <199801221641.IAA09594@scv4.apple.com> Subject: "Door X" worth checking out Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 10:41:26 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"LC1tND.A.jYF.MJ4x0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2458 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:44:03 -0800 X-UIDL: 8986cf9e5b24800918a8092b677bc040 Status: O X-Status: >However, I hated Door X. Trite rock music with none of what I >consider Torn's distinctive stylings. I think I remember singing. >It's on Windham Hill, which used to be an OK label, but not known for >their rock music. I'd seen "Door X" slammed for years, but hadn't been able to find a copy to complete my Torn collection. Recently I found one, and I like it. If you don't like the singing, skip every other track, but I had no problem with the vocals. In no way would I describe this as "trite rock music". Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Thu Jan 22 10:33:05 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 22 03:00:02 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvKMY-0003gr-00; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 02:59:58 -0800 Message-ID: <34C7266A.35411A45@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 05:58:51 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sc@magic.ca CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: can't find an echoplex in Toronto area References: <34C6AB01.4A24@magic.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hUU0hD.A.tjC.rOyx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2445 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 02:59:58 -0800 X-UIDL: 58a74946e5b84c58d4eea7b0ef7cf16b Status: O X-Status: Steve, I just got a catalog in the mail from Thoroughbred Music,out of Forida.They have the Echoplex for sale at 639.95 w\12.5 sec.They can be called at 800.800.4654,or e-mailed at sales@tbred-music.com,they also have the 508 pedal for 99.00. Jeff sr. Steve Cowan wrote: > Is anybody else having similar problems? Any suggestions where to go, > or why have they been on back order at the major stores for over 6 > months? From ???@??? Thu Jan 22 10:33:13 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 22 04:20:45 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvLcc-00014R-00; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 04:20:38 -0800 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:44:43 -0500 (EST) From: Stew Benedict To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: some torn live stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"uDo60C.A.bR.gbzx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2447 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 04:20:38 -0800 X-UIDL: bcc89fb73a2b5e82cdb393a2728eff87 Status: O X-Status: I've been meaning to mention I've recently been enjoying "Polytown", thanks to a lead from this group. David, if you're listening, this is awesome stuff! Does anyone have any leads on other Torn titles? I find "Cloud About Mercury" everywhere, been scouring closeouts and used shops and found "Door X" once, but someone swiped the CD from the jewel case. The combo of Torn, Karn, and Bozzio on "Polytown" is absolutely amazing. Stew Benedict From ???@??? Thu Jan 22 10:33:43 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 22 05:58:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvN98-0001WE-00; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 05:58:18 -0800 X-Sender: bahnc2@mail.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199801212138.NAA25353@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> <34C65DB5.AA3892C9@mediaone.net> from "innerspace@mediaone.net" at Jan 21, 98 03:42:29 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:48:17 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Curtis Bahn Subject: Re: www-cycling74 wow.:) Resent-Message-ID: <"fjLah.A.sI.uz0x0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2448 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 05:58:18 -0800 X-UIDL: ed9296f4ae21bb491a33ded785df777f Status: O X-Status: >At 1:38 PM -0800 1/21/98, Paolo Valladolid wrote: >>> Curtis Bahn wrote: >>> >>> > Also check out MSP, David Zicarelli's signal processing extensions to MAX >>> > at http://www.cycling74.com. If you have a powerpc computer you can >>>easily >>> > design custom looping and overdubbing algorithms (amoung many other >>> > things). It's great ! Programs like MSP and LiSa are taking looping >>>away >>> > from the restrictions of commercial hardware, to a whole new level of >>> > personal sound design and performance interaction. >>> > crb >kim flint wrote >One thing kind of troubling about the computer based systems for real-time >use is the latency problems. (meaning the time it would take for audio to >be sent in and sent back out again.) On the MSP site some typical latencies >are actually listed as: > >Audio input to audio output latency on a 9600/300: > Using the Digidesign Audiomedia III: 46ms > Using the Sound Manager: 294ms > >that's definitely in the range where you would notice it in some >situations, especially with looping and trying to maintain precise grooves. >And this is on a very fast (and expensive) system! I know that PC's suffer >from the same problem. The audio has to go through a lot of operating >system to get to where it's useable, and a lot more operating system to get >out again. > >So those of you using systems like these for real-time audio I/O, how do >you deal with that? Are you able to operate it with any timing precision >for real-time audio events? And I don't mean hard disk recording where the >system has opportunities to compensate for the latency. I mean audio really >going in and out, like you might have on a typical stand alone audio >processor. Anyone? > Latency can be a real problem sometimes. Especially on a powerbook, the technology is not really there yet to have an inexpensive self-contained system that can deal with all the audio processing and performance I/O in real-time without some significant lag. This is part of the justification of KYMA where you have a dedicated external audio engine to execute your looping and signal processing programs. Systems like this and MARS have very powerful programming environments for the musician to design their own performance algorithms. More and more, development environments such as these combine complete flexibility in terms of your sound designs, and easy, intuitive graphical programming languages. (info on these systems can be found at http://www.emf.org/sites/software.html.) It's just a matter of time until most all of our gadgets will offer some level of this kind of interface. A significant issue for me is, "what am I gonna do with it once I have it." For that reason alone, I spend a lot of time on my powerbook hacking MAX/MSP. In performance I get more realistic about stuff like looping and either cart a couple of dedicated fast computers along with me , or trim down the real-time signal processing on my notebook computer and farm it out to my Echoplex, jam man, Boomerang or EH16. In some cases, like making rich ambient textures, the latency just desn't matter and it is a reasonable price to pay to be in control of more aspects of what your signal processing device is doing. We're certainly in a transition period between hardware and software based models for our toys. It's pretty exciting. Especially in performance areas like looping (which isn't that "expensive" in terms of computer processing and won't incur as much latency as more complicated signal processing) this technology is offering new creative, idiosyncratic opportunities for musicians. It also frees us from our traditional relationship to signal processing device makers where we can often grovel and beg for a simple feature that would make a world of difference to our music, but won't ever be implemented generally because it isn't important enough to the market as a whole. cheers, crb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Curtis Bahn iEAR Studios, DCC 135 Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Troy, New York, 12180 office (518) 276-4032 fax (518) 276-4780 email crb@rpi.edu From ???@??? Thu Jan 22 10:33:50 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 22 06:10:43 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvNKt-0002cd-00; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:10:27 -0800 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: benedict@netcom.com In-reply-to: (message from Stew Benedict on Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:44:43 -0500 (EST)) Subject: Re: some torn live stuff Reply-to: cdeupree@interagp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:49:53 -0500 Message-ID: <19980122134952250.AAA44@LARCH.interagp.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"1RteJD.A.-MB.m_0x0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2449 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:10:27 -0800 X-UIDL: c1bd5623d24d97572e03c48f6af38242 Status: O X-Status: >>>>> "Stew" == Stew Benedict writes: Stew> I've been meaning to mention I've recently been enjoying Stew> "Polytown", thanks to a lead from this group. David, if Stew> you're listening, this is awesome stuff! Does anyone have Stew> any leads on other Torn titles? I find "Cloud About Stew> Mercury" everywhere, been scouring closeouts and used shops Stew> and found "Door X" once, but someone swiped the CD from the Stew> jewel case. The combo of Torn, Karn, and Bozzio on Stew> "Polytown" is absolutely amazing. Cloud about Mercury has the advantage of being generally available and excellent. It features what was at the time the King Crimson rhythm section (Bill Bruford on percussion, including electronic; and Tony Levin on bass and stick), plus Mark Isham on trumpet. Highly recommended. However, I hated Door X. Trite rock music with none of what I consider Torn's distinctive stylings. I think I remember singing. It's on Windham Hill, which used to be an OK label, but not known for their rock music. CMP, Torn's most recent label, has gone under, so his solo disks on that label are getting hard to find, but IMHO worth tracking down. The ones to seek out are Tripping Over God and What Means Solid, Traveler? They are mostly solo Torn, although he overdubs percussion and more than one guitar part. I like these two very much as well, and are probably most representative of his current work (Cloud about Mercury must be at least 10 years old). Mick Karn had a couple of albums on CMP, Bestial Cluster and Tooth Mother, that I think featured Torn as well. More singing than on Polytown, but it worked well, and was not on every track. And if you can find it, Torn was part of an outfit called Everyman Band. A web listing mentions Marty Fogel on sax, but I seem to remember Shankar on violin. --- Caleb T. Deupree ;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. (Pablo Picasso) From ???@??? Thu Jan 22 10:33:57 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 22 07:29:54 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvOZh-0007Ve-00; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:29:49 -0800 From: MIvanBerk Message-ID: <7665f95c.34c761f2@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:12:48 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: PDS- and RDS-8000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"AKQSwD.A.qRF.gI2x0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2451 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:29:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 93a827b2b73d464341042cf9a372065f Status: O X-Status: The RDS adds an LFO for modulation effects. -mike From ???@??? Thu Jan 22 10:33:58 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 22 07:33:06 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvOcT-000023-00; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:32:41 -0800 Message-ID: <34C76301.B692EB8C@mediaone.net> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:17:21 -0500 From: innerspace@mediaone.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-MOEMW (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: dsp based Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------12651E2985B44240B6A20686" Resent-Message-ID: <"TvxWJ.A.1uF.bM2x0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2452 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:32:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 630d0461e8e5942b9fd2006dacd24b45 Status: O X-Status: Latency can be a real problem sometimes.  Especially on a powerbook, the
technology is not really there yet to have an inexpensive self-contained
system that can deal with all the audio processing and performance I/O in
real-time without some significant lag.

This is part of the justification of  KYMA  where you have a dedicated
external audio engine to execute your looping and signal processing
programs.  Systems like this and MARS have very powerful programming
environments for the musician to design their own performance algorithms.
More and more, development environments such as these combine complete
flexibility in terms of your sound designs, and easy, intuitive graphical
programming languages.  (info on these systems can be found at
http://www.emf.org/sites/software.html.)

It's just a matter of time until most all of our gadgets will offer some
level of this kind of interface.  A significant issue for me is, "what am I
gonna do with it once I have it."  For that reason alone, I spend a lot of
time on my powerbook hacking MAX/MSP.  In performance I get more realistic
about stuff like looping and either cart a couple of dedicated fast
computers along with me , or trim down the real-time signal processing on
my notebook computer and farm it out to my Echoplex, jam man, Boomerang or
EH16.

In some cases, like making rich ambient textures,  the latency just desn't
matter and it is a reasonable price to pay to be in control of more aspects
of what your signal processing device is doing.  We're certainly in a
transition period between hardware and software based models for our toys.
It's pretty exciting.  Especially in performance areas like looping (which
isn't that "expensive" in terms of computer processing and won't incur as
much latency as more complicated signal processing) this technology is
offering new creative, idiosyncratic opportunities for musicians.  It also
frees us from our traditional relationship to signal processing device
makers where we can often grovel and beg for a simple feature that would
make a world of difference to our music, but won't ever be implemented
generally because it isn't important enough to the market as a whole.

cheers,
crb
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Curtis Bahn
iEAR Studios, DCC 135
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
Troy, New York,
 
 

I would have to agree with the opinion that external dsp based audio systems kick butt in a general and nonspecific way, and that we are moving away from obsessive software/hardware based systems...  I'd have to say that I'd sell out immediately to the first company that created an audio system that was built like a killer-computer (dedicated to audio processing) but incorporated both the physical design features and the functionality of the audio equipment that all this PC/Mac stuff is trying to emulate...

    There are a number of systems out there that combine ISA/PCI cards w/ external rackmountable interfaces.  The most exciting of these that I've been blessed to look at and drool at is the Layla system.  I'm not certain whether or not this type of system fits in to the same category as KYMA or MARS, I'm guessing its just a bit less powerful than these systems.... then again, Layla isn't $4000.00, so whats to be expected.

uh oh, my mind doth wander....me done fergot me point....... gotta go to work.

bye bye.
 
  From ???@??? Thu Jan 22 10:34:05 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 22 08:12:43 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvPF9-0004j3-00; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:12:39 -0800 Message-Id: <98Jan22.095439cst.26886@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: pmurphy@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:57:02 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Pat Murphy Subject: Echoplex Upgrade Chip Installation Tips In-Reply-To: References: <199801212138.NAA25353@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Ize2kC.A.smC.Ww2x0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2453 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:12:39 -0800 X-UIDL: b58beeefe176011a284904353fa4fb7e Status: O X-Status: I packed and sent out close to 50 upgrade chip sets last week. I sent info about what the upgrade does but no info on installing them. Sorry about that. For those of you who subscribe to this list, here is some information to help with the installation. Open the Echoplex. There will be two chips. One is labeled even and the other is labeled odd. Remove the chips and replace them with the new ones. Be sure that even replaces even and odd replaces odd. Also, make sure that the end of the chip that has the orientation indentation is oriented in the same direction as the old chip. This is more important than the direction of the label. Looking down on the circuit board from the front of the Echoplex, the indentations should face to the left. After installing the chips, you will need to reinitialize the Echoplex. With the Echoplex turned off, hold down the parameter button and then turn the 'Plex on. Wait about 5 or 6 seconds or until the LEDs go through their power up routine. Turn the power off and then back on. You should be good to go. As with any chip installation, take any and all precautions to head off static electricity. Avoid shag carpet. thanks Pat From ???@??? Thu Jan 22 10:34:19 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 22 09:20:49 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvQIu-0004cT-00; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:20:36 -0800 Message-Id: <199801221604.LAA04800@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: Stick/Loop Show Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:04:27 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"O-d37B.A.O1C.Ly3x0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2457 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:20:36 -0800 X-UIDL: f43a45fe2819f0c7017bdae017f33f12 Status: O X-Status: so - you are in jersy! bummer - i will miss your 24th gig - i'll be playing in long island sat nite with my zappa tribute band (are you into zappa?) but keep me posted - i love the stick - i played on a bill once where there was a stick/perc duo..... maybe we could set up a loop night at a club around here - the downtown cafe in redbank... i'm also friends with Bon Lozaga - he's always looking to do somethin' up this way (he's south jersey) see ya!! andre' (see gig info under other mail) andre@monmouth.com ---------- From: PMimlitsch To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com; stickwire-l@netcom.com Subject: Stick/Loop Show Date: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 7:13 PM "Explorations in Time and Space" - an evening of Soundscapes and Improvisations w/Paul Mimlitsch (Chapman Stick¨/Loops) and J. Jody Janetta (Percussion/Loops/Treated Voice). Day/Date-Sat. Jan. 24th. Place-Cafe Seattle (354-2220), Haddonfield, New Jersey. (The corner of Haddon and Redman). Time-8:00pm to closing. ---------- From ???@??? Thu Jan 22 10:34:07 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 22 08:17:48 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvPK1-0005Hq-00; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:17:41 -0800 Reply-To: "Stefano Voulaz" From: "Stefano Voulaz" To: "Loopers!" Subject: Hunting an Echoplex from Italy... Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:07:10 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd274f$cb8cbda0$6902a8c0@voulaz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"z-09QD.A.LtD.y52x0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2454 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:17:41 -0800 X-UIDL: ecf7197590bcf4dc2e51119981f3e4a6 Status: O X-Status: Yo! I know it's being difficult for you in US to get Echoplexes, but... is there anyone able to suggest me some sources (shops) for buying one unit (my second one, actually) via web? Looks like they're coming out of dark labs! Many thanks... and happy looping! The Uncle 8^)# From ???@??? Thu Jan 22 10:33:56 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 22 07:26:11 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvOVw-00073Y-00; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:25:56 -0800 Message-ID: <34C76F29.53DA@infobiogen.fr> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:09:13 +0000 From: Malhomme Olivier Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: I P L X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Pentatonic scales References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bp-10D.A.jFF.8G2x0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2450 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:25:56 -0800 X-UIDL: 5268f59d3d68931fa09e247f063d16b1 Status: O X-Status: A close japanese friend sent me the different pentatonic scales used in japanese music. I felt it could be of use to you all in case you would look for other colors: MIYAKOBUSHI (For Koto, Shamisen) D Eb G A Bb (strings 5,6,7,8,9 for Koto, fundamental tuning) RITSU (Don't know why...) D E G A B MINYOO (folk songs) D F G A B RYUUKYUU (OKINAWA music) D F# G A C# Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Thu Jan 22 10:34:13 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 22 08:52:23 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvPrQ-0001Qr-00; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:52:13 -0800 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:26:53 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Trueman To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: www-cycling74 wow.:) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"ODhRJD.A.19G.ZW3x0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2455 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:52:13 -0800 X-UIDL: a028892cb38b654d9b035dbb01c9bb94 Status: O X-Status: "Just around the corner" is already here (sort of) in terms of latency: the Layla card offers latencies well under 10ms, and a bunch of folks are doing development for it. On an SGI running MAX/FTS (or other stuff), latencies can get as low as 2ms (but who wants to carry around an SGI? Well, actually, I probably would if I had one). Even with the substantial latencies, I have found the uses of programs like LiSa to be really inspiring. It is also possible to learn how to "play" the latencies by slightly anticipating events. It's not ideal if you want really really tight timing, but given the flexibility, it may be worth it. Having an easily configurable sampling system that offers multiple-voice playback (as many as your CPU can handle: you can get lots more than 30 voices on some of the faster machines), transposition, looping, and signal processing is pretty exciting, and I've learned to work with the latency. But I also still farm stuff out to Jammen sometimes; I may not for long though... Some people of been exploring the musical possibilities of HUGE latencies through internet jams. Last month some folks in NYC jammed with some other folks in Japan where latencies where up around 10 seconds, at least! It's a feature, not a bug... Dan On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Curtis Bahn wrote: > >At 1:38 PM -0800 1/21/98, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > >>> Curtis Bahn wrote: > >>> > >>> > Also check out MSP, David Zicarelli's signal processing extensions to MAX > >>> > at http://www.cycling74.com. If you have a powerpc computer you can > >>>easily > >>> > design custom looping and overdubbing algorithms (amoung many other > >>> > things). It's great ! Programs like MSP and LiSa are taking looping > >>>away > >>> > from the restrictions of commercial hardware, to a whole new level of > >>> > personal sound design and performance interaction. > >>> > crb > > >kim flint wrote > >One thing kind of troubling about the computer based systems for real-time > >use is the latency problems. (meaning the time it would take for audio to > >be sent in and sent back out again.) On the MSP site some typical latencies > >are actually listed as: > > > >Audio input to audio output latency on a 9600/300: > > Using the Digidesign Audiomedia III: 46ms > > Using the Sound Manager: 294ms > > > >that's definitely in the range where you would notice it in some > >situations, especially with looping and trying to maintain precise grooves. > >And this is on a very fast (and expensive) system! I know that PC's suffer > >from the same problem. The audio has to go through a lot of operating > >system to get to where it's useable, and a lot more operating system to get > >out again. > > > >So those of you using systems like these for real-time audio I/O, how do > >you deal with that? Are you able to operate it with any timing precision > >for real-time audio events? And I don't mean hard disk recording where the > >system has opportunities to compensate for the latency. I mean audio really > >going in and out, like you might have on a typical stand alone audio > >processor. Anyone? > > > > Latency can be a real problem sometimes. Especially on a powerbook, the > technology is not really there yet to have an inexpensive self-contained > system that can deal with all the audio processing and performance I/O in > real-time without some significant lag. > > This is part of the justification of KYMA where you have a dedicated > external audio engine to execute your looping and signal processing > programs. Systems like this and MARS have very powerful programming > environments for the musician to design their own performance algorithms. > More and more, development environments such as these combine complete > flexibility in terms of your sound designs, and easy, intuitive graphical > programming languages. (info on these systems can be found at > http://www.emf.org/sites/software.html.) > > It's just a matter of time until most all of our gadgets will offer some > level of this kind of interface. A significant issue for me is, "what am I > gonna do with it once I have it." For that reason alone, I spend a lot of > time on my powerbook hacking MAX/MSP. In performance I get more realistic > about stuff like looping and either cart a couple of dedicated fast > computers along with me , or trim down the real-time signal processing on > my notebook computer and farm it out to my Echoplex, jam man, Boomerang or > EH16. > > In some cases, like making rich ambient textures, the latency just desn't > matter and it is a reasonable price to pay to be in control of more aspects > of what your signal processing device is doing. We're certainly in a > transition period between hardware and software based models for our toys. > It's pretty exciting. Especially in performance areas like looping (which > isn't that "expensive" in terms of computer processing and won't incur as > much latency as more complicated signal processing) this technology is > offering new creative, idiosyncratic opportunities for musicians. It also > frees us from our traditional relationship to signal processing device > makers where we can often grovel and beg for a simple feature that would > make a world of difference to our music, but won't ever be implemented > generally because it isn't important enough to the market as a whole. > > cheers, > crb > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Curtis Bahn > iEAR Studios, DCC 135 > Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute > Troy, New York, > 12180 > office (518) 276-4032 > fax (518) 276-4780 > email crb@rpi.edu > > > From ???@??? Thu Jan 22 10:34:18 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 22 09:20:44 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvQIo-0004bs-00; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:20:30 -0800 Message-Id: <199801221650.LAA21919@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: some torn rec. CDs Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:50:57 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KBqAE.A.v0C.Iy3x0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2456 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:20:30 -0800 X-UIDL: 2cdc5a9e9ca84f033992e4fe6bb97a97 Status: O X-Status: dave t also has TRIPPING OVER GOD and WHAT MEANS SOLID, TRAVELLER.. on the defunct CMP - tho i got one store to order it for me.... get them fast !!!! also on some Mark Isham discs - very cool jazz/ambient trumpet player.... he's on CLOUD, of course a killer one to get is the Mick Karn CDs TOOTH MOTHER & BESTIAL CLUSTER DT is on both and they rule. Mick rules. what the hell is he doing right now?? also - i forget the title, BEST LAID PLANS (??) i think it's on ECM so you can actually get it! -it's a DT duo album with a percussionist - cool, loopy, ambient stuff, his rig was a merely mortal at that point, it seems. DT should join AZA for a tour/CD - AZA is will calhoun (does tons of looping with a jamman and a korg wavedrum) and doug wimbush (bassist with a rig from hell, with several looping devices on the floor and in - rack) - these guys were the living colour rhythm section , they now have this group, with bernie worrell and a floating sax player. andre@monmouth.com ---------- > From: Stew Benedict > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: some torn live stuff > Date: Thursday, January 22, 1998 6:44 AM > > > I've been meaning to mention I've recently been enjoying "Polytown", > thanks to a lead from this group. David, if you're listening, this is > awesome stuff! Does anyone have any leads on other Torn titles? I find > "Cloud About Mercury" everywhere, been scouring closeouts and used shops > and found "Door X" once, but someone swiped the CD from the jewel case. > The combo of Torn, Karn, and Bozzio on "Polytown" is absolutely amazing. > > Stew Benedict > > > From ???@??? Fri Jan 23 10:14:46 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 23 07:26:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvl00-0005Xa-00; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:26:28 -0800 X-Sender: darcyc@srvr5.engin.umich.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:22:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Darcy Clark Subject: looping over the Internet - one day hopefully ! Resent-Message-ID: <"dfnKN.A.-QE.XRLy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2471 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:26:28 -0800 X-UIDL: 7c897f77fced8b5a911a24236201015b Status: O X-Status: It occurs to me that looping would be particularly suited to internet jamming, as latency could be accommodated by using longish loop times, and by only adding contributions to the loop at the start of the next loop. All we need now is a TCP/IP-aware Jamman upgrade !!! ;) >Some people of been exploring the musical possibilities of HUGE >latencies through internet jams. Last month some folks in NYC jammed >with some other folks in Japan where latencies where up around 10 >seconds, at least! It's a feature, not a bug... Darcy Clark +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Materials Science and Engineering Department University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI, 48109-2136 USA +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Room 2130, Dow Building Phone (734) 764 3377 Fax (734) 763 4788 E-mail darcyc@engin.umich.edu http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/mse250 http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/people/darcyc/ http://mseadmin.engin.umich.edu:591/ http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From ???@??? Fri Jan 23 01:11:29 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 22 10:30:59 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvROm-0003wO-00; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:30:45 -0800 Message-Id: <199801221819.KAA26832@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: "Door X" worth checking out Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:21:18 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"O8VmYD.A.62C.T24x0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2459 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:30:45 -0800 X-UIDL: eab9064683900f410e65884d1e992204 Status: O X-Status: > From: T.W. Hartnett > I'd seen "Door X" slammed for years, but hadn't been able to find a copy > to complete my Torn collection. Recently I found one, and I like it. If > you don't like the singing, skip every other track, but I had no problem > with the vocals. I like Door X as well. The last track, which I believe is called Door X, features IMO one of Torn's most emotional and beautiful solos ever. A personal favorite. Matt From ???@??? Fri Jan 23 01:13:42 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 23 00:38:48 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvedM-0004Xk-00; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:38:40 -0800 Message-ID: Date: 22 Jan 1998 10:36:56 -0800 From: "Hartnett, Travis" Subject: FS: JamMan $350 To: "Loopers Delight postings" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP for Quarterdeck Mail; Version 4.1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Name="Message Body" Resent-Message-ID: <"NWCm6B.A.wiD.nSFy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2466 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:38:40 -0800 X-UIDL: c7bde5c2750448ebc51160c0a5a0e0b2 Status: O X-Status: lexicon jamman / micro moog / juno 60/ mackie 1202 Asking Price: US$350 Condition: Excellent Age: N/A Description: i am wanting to sell the following equipment: Lexicon Jamman - $350.00 (phrase sampler / delay) Micro Moog - $200.00 (single voice analog synth) Mackie 1202 - $300.00 (12 channel mixing board) Roland Juno 60 - $200.00 (analog synth) all work great...contact either by phone or e-mail for further info... ph - 702-322-7986 (ask for vance) e-mail - dvinn@usa.net Seller: vance christiaens, 702-322-7986 E-mail: dvinn@usa.net Location: RENO, NV Post Date: 1/22/98 From ???@??? Fri Jan 23 01:13:46 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 23 01:01:49 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvezf-0006OZ-00; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 01:01:43 -0800 Message-ID: Date: 22 Jan 1998 11:29:08 -0800 From: "Hartnett, Travis" Subject: FS: Vortex To: "Loopers Delight postings" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP for Quarterdeck Mail; Version 4.1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Name="Message Body" Resent-Message-ID: <"p6aYN.A.wUF.DqFy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2467 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 01:01:43 -0800 X-UIDL: b144202f4ffd380721e82005ed2efa05 Status: O X-Status: FS: Lexicon Vortex Asking Price: US$N/A Condition: Good Age: 3 months Description: Lexicon Vortex A few scratches. Power supply, footswitch, and manual included. Please email serious bids to jfm3@acm.org. Seller: Joe Miklojcik, 7324453026 E-mail: jfm3@acm.org Location: SOMERSET, NJ Post Date: 1/21/98 From ???@??? Fri Jan 23 01:12:00 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 22 14:47:06 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvVO4-0007cU-00; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:46:16 -0800 Message-Id: <98Jan22.155535est.18817@thicket.arbortext.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:53:33 -0500 From: David White Reply-To: dwhite@arbortext.com Organization: Arbortext Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: I can't find CDR870 information Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BgEjc.A.9AD.XM8x0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2461 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:46:16 -0800 X-UIDL: 95a7c8ace72824648510afae0b1dd872 Status: O X-Status: That was discussed recently. Does anyone know if this Philips made analog/digital input capable CD R/RW recorder is available for sale in the US? Where? Any other brand names with equivs in the same price range? Tanks, Dave From ???@??? Fri Jan 23 01:11:59 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 22 14:40:53 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvVIi-000702-00; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:40:44 -0800 Message-ID: <34C7C42A.C006216D@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:11:55 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: "Door X" worth checking out References: <199801221641.IAA09594@scv4.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8II8KB.A.vWC.gG8x0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2460 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:40:44 -0800 X-UIDL: dad0f62866ba4df3d41baa00467a3deb Status: O X-Status: I agree with Travis,Door x,while not Cloud About Mercury was a great album(yes I have the vinyl)Torn is one of the great loopers of our time(whoa, profundity!).The vocals were a surprise to me but I wish that I could sing like that! Jeff Duke sr. T.W. Hartnett wrote: > >However, I hated Door X. Trite rock music with none of what I > >consider Torn's distinctive stylings. I think I remember singing. > >It's on Windham Hill, which used to be an OK label, but not known for > >their rock music. > > I'd seen "Door X" slammed for years, but hadn't been able to find a copy > to complete my Torn collection. Recently I found one, and I like it. If > you don't like the singing, skip every other track, but I had no problem > with the vocals. > > In no way would I describe this as "trite rock music". > > Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Fri Jan 23 01:12:05 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 22 15:11:21 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvVls-0002U5-00; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:10:52 -0800 From: PMimlitsch Message-ID: <272b12be.34c7c603@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:19:45 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: digitech RDS-8000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"1ac4MB.A.s2F.ll8x0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2462 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:10:52 -0800 X-UIDL: a8be92897caf5350d1d16964ddbe43b5 Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 1/22/98 2:55:38 AM, you wrote: <> The main difference between the PDS and RDS 8000s, I've found, is not in the physical features (knobs/settings etc) but in the decay of the repeated/looped signal. Seems that the decay on the RDS is a little longer than that of the PDS when both are at 8 sec.delay. - Paul From ???@??? Fri Jan 23 01:12:26 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 22 17:18:28 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvXkm-0006x0-00; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:17:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: forbin.syr.edu: msottila owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:38:19 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Sottilaro X-Sender: msottila@forbin.syr.edu To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Re: New to looping/processing In-Reply-To: <199801211642.IAA6887530@scv1.apple.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"PQPnh.A.WkE.kq-x0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2463 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:17:52 -0800 X-UIDL: 3be708140d49cd5ecc3c5d23579d8310 Status: O X-Status: Hey, For what the JamMan does for the money it sold for ($350 new) it was a great product and nothing touched it or touches it for anywhere near that price. On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, T.W. Hartnett wrote: > >I think (and we could do this to death) that unless you're _really_ going > >to get into looping (and get an EDP), the JM was just too expensive at its > >original price. Sound quality apart, most people don't want a helluvalot > >more functionality than the Zoom 508. If it had more memory and a "fade" > >function, I'd trade my JM for a 508!!! > > What do you mean by a "fade" function? > > Travis Hartnett > From ???@??? Fri Jan 23 01:13:08 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 22 21:24:38 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvbbN-0004ra-00; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:24:25 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980123000305.006ae16c@mail.interagp.com> X-Sender: cdeupree@mail.interagp.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:03:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: Torn and Door X -- an apology Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ETmxmB.A.vAD.DUCy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2464 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:24:25 -0800 X-UIDL: 197255b1d6f0d6a950a51e4433f45073 Status: O X-Status: Based on the positive reactions which Door X got earlier today on this list, I dug up my old copy and listened to it again, and it was *much* better than I remembered (although I still prefer his more experimental work). Thanks for the admonishments which got me to listen to it again. I also noticed a couple of listings for it at www.gemm.com, a clearinghouse for various new and used CD dealers. They also had the oop CMP albums, at ridiculously high prices. There is a web site on Torn at http://ott-outreach.engin.umich.edu/torn/, although it doesn't appear to have been updated lately. -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@interagp.com cdeupree@erinet.com Computers are useless; they can only give you answers -- Pablo Picasso From ???@??? Fri Jan 23 01:13:25 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 22 23:37:22 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvdft-00000B-00; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:37:13 -0800 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 02:14:03 -0500 From: Michael Peters Subject: David Torn loop CDs Sender: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199801230214_MC2-305B-1413@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"ytU4XC.A.nuF.1OEy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2465 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:37:13 -0800 X-UIDL: 71eba1d65dbcbc445384f4d3e1d4a623 Status: O X-Status: okay, talking about DoorX and Torn's other CDs - maybe not everyone on the list is aware of Torn's awesome loop CDs 'Tonal Textures' and 'Pandora's Toolbox'. The Tonal Textures cover says: >Unusual sonic landscapes and unique >atmospheres for use as musical >backgrounds in multi-media, >film scoring, composition, >and music production. About Pandora's Toolbox, Torn wrote, >'pandora' is a bit different: >much more material than t.t., >so it had to be set-up a little more >efficiently for sampling-peoples. The problem with these 2 CDs is that they're not regular audio CDs (although they can be played on regular CD players) but supposed to be sample CDs - they are available from Q-Up Arts (check their website) for a *very* high price which kept me from buying Pandora's Toolbox, but I spent the money for Tonal Textures because Torn played it before his 'Slipping over God' solo concert and I immediately fell in love with it. Very beautiful, you'll sure like it if you are into, say, Enoesque atmospheres. Definitely recommended stuff. ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm From ???@??? Fri Jan 23 10:13:14 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 23 02:06:58 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvg0m-0004Fu-00; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 02:06:56 -0800 Sender: camao@camsg001.camb.scee.sony.co.uk Message-ID: <34C86972.5B9F9061@scee.sony.co.uk> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:57:06 +0000 From: Os X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: LiSa (was Re: New to looping/processing) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ShMwvB.A.DMD.KmGy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2468 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 02:06:56 -0800 X-UIDL: f22438175f5cd169684ad4226dc3eded Status: O X-Status: Dan Trueman wrote: > > OK, I found the specific link you need: > > http://www.xs4all.nl/~steim/lisa.html > > Pretty cool; I've used it a lot in performance. It has never crashed, > and it is quite flexible... You can download a demo from them. Got a friend with a Power Mac to download this & we had a play last night. Very impressed! I'm sure it has loads of possibilities I haven't even thought of yet. Achieved a nice effect by having a 20 second sample buffer with three overlapping zones, all recording (looping with 90% feedback), and also a zone covering the whole buffer playing it at double and half speed. I have to say though that the demo version crashed repeatedly. If it had more inbuilt DSP effects, or you could run it alongside Cubase VST, I think my friend would buy it. -- Os os@millennium.co.uk http://webworlds.net/os/ From ???@??? Fri Jan 23 10:14:00 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 23 03:47:45 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvhaI-0004BR-00; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 03:47:42 -0800 Message-ID: <34C86EC7.72EB770C@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 03:20:01 -0700 From: William Moyer Reply-To: vargo2muse@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: FS: JamMan $350 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7mhPYB.A.qdD.NGIy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2470 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 03:47:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 429c6bacf224dce509eeeaccdff45703 Status: O X-Status: I'm interested in the Jamman . Does it have the memory upgrade? Thanks, Bill From ???@??? Fri Jan 23 10:13:25 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 23 02:31:13 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvgNs-00069h-00; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 02:30:48 -0800 Message-ID: <34C878F3.7DA2@infobiogen.fr> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:03:17 +0000 From: Malhomme Olivier Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: I P L X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:door X References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jCC7pD.A.I3D.ctGy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2469 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 02:30:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 808a2b9389d536fed5e9ce4c66408ef9 Status: O X-Status: Well, a litle word about door X I consider a good album. It is certainly song oriented (is that bad) and a piece like the second track with M. Karn on bass is (to me) a jewel... This has the exact value of 2 cents Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Fri Jan 23 10:14:54 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 23 08:07:20 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvldK-0001na-00; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:07:06 -0800 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:47:00 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Trueman To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: LiSa (was Re: New to looping/processing) In-Reply-To: <34C86972.5B9F9061@scee.sony.co.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"3krXhD.A.OT.fzLy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2472 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:07:06 -0800 X-UIDL: a5abe68e7cd1f6f426f475929a711a08 Status: O X-Status: > > I have to say though that the demo version crashed repeatedly. Hmmmm... I've abused it for literally 100s, maybe 1000s of hours, without a single crash. > If it had more inbuilt DSP effects, or you could run it alongside Cubase > VST, I think my friend would buy it. Did you try running it along with Cubase? It runs in the background nicely with Director (also playing lots of audio) or Max. Also, the Patterns offer a wide variety of customizable, albeit crude, effects that can really mangle stuff. Fun... Cheers, Dan From ???@??? Fri Jan 23 10:14:55 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 23 08:11:04 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvlgx-0002CJ-00; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:10:51 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980123105143.00d13a60@mail.dev-com.com> X-Sender: rcr1@mail.dev-com.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:51:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rich Rath Subject: Re: looping over the Internet - one day hopefully ! In-Reply-To: References: < Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"w2dgOB.A.Lo.j2Ly0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2473 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:10:51 -0800 X-UIDL: 6a6ad2b8c43df000ec65f7077e17a5ad Status: O X-Status: I used to mess around with reel-to-reels in the late seventies to try to get looping echoes...A friend had a deck with the record and playback heads widely separated and you could get about a 3/4 sec. delay that could either build up by using a physically looped tape or get just one feedback cycle on a regular tape. The one-cycle version would feed the playback head signal back into the record signal instantly and let you play along with a delay. But because the playback head was a couple of inches away, you would get a 3/4 second latency time between when you played a note and when you heard it. This had a very peculiar effect--It was like you were constantly playing off of somebody elses riffs (which were in fact what you just played) while never actually hearing your own playing playing against a 3/4 sec echo of itself...It was annoying for a while, but the mind is a curiously adaptable thing, I think, and I found that I would play more thoughtfully in some respects--it helped me become more aware of the listening and thinking parts of playing, and the timing offset (i.e., latency) made interesting loopish connections happen...Alas it was my wealthy army brat friend's deck, and he moved away... Rich Rath At 12:22 PM 1/22/98 -0500, you wrote: >It occurs to me that looping would be particularly suited to internet >jamming, as latency could be accommodated by using longish loop times, and >by only adding contributions to the loop at the start of the next loop. All >we need now is a TCP/IP-aware Jamman upgrade !!! ;) > >>Some people of been exploring the musical possibilities of HUGE >>latencies through internet jams. Last month some folks in NYC jammed >>with some other folks in Japan where latencies where up around 10 >>seconds, at least! It's a feature, not a bug... :..::.:.::..:..::.:.::..:..::.:.::..:..::.:.::..:..::.:.::..:..::.:.::.. :.::.. rcr@way.net :..::.:.::.. http://way.net :..::. :..::.:.::..:..::.:.::..:..::.:.::..:..::.:.::..:..::.:.::..:..::.:.::.. From ???@??? Fri Jan 23 10:14:58 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 23 08:23:55 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvlsk-0003WG-00; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:23:03 -0800 Sender: camao@camsg001.camb.scee.sony.co.uk Message-ID: <34C8BF70.47DBA06D@scee.sony.co.uk> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:04:00 +0000 From: Os X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: LiSa (was Re: New to looping/processing) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7_dF3.A._bB.T-Ly0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2474 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:23:03 -0800 X-UIDL: 3a1518129a8c76d958824cbc02f0bc44 Status: O X-Status: Dan Trueman wrote: > > > > > I have to say though that the demo version crashed repeatedly. > > Hmmmm... I've abused it for literally 100s, maybe 1000s of hours, > without a single crash. So we see the difference between buying hardware and buying software... you never know quite what the software will do for you, because there are so many other variables. The thing that seemed to crash it was manually releasing the midi sustain on a channel (by clicking on the green box). But I don't want to put people off - it's a fantastic bit of software. -- Os os@millennium.co.uk http://webworlds.net/os/ From ???@??? Sat Jan 24 00:49:24 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 23 14:06:40 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvrEL-0007KL-00; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:05:41 -0800 Message-ID: <34C90D03.1850A304@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:35:00 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looping over the Internet - one day hopefully ! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zj9B-D.A.jaC.7pQy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2475 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:05:41 -0800 X-UIDL: af8efe307a49e07205631f87e8303764 Status: O X-Status: I have been pondering how this could be accomplished myself.I have heard about jamming with midi over the internet but audio?hmmm,maybe bandwith is god(small g) Jeff Duke sr. Darcy Clark wrote: > It occurs to me that looping would be particularly suited to internet > jamming, as latency could be accommodated by using longish loop times, and > by only adding contributions to the loop at the start of the next loop. All > we need now is a TCP/IP-aware Jamman upgrade !!! ;) > > >Some people of been exploring the musical possibilities of HUGE > >latencies through internet jams. Last month some folks in NYC jammed > >with some other folks in Japan where latencies where up around 10 > >seconds, at least! It's a feature, not a bug... > > Darcy Clark > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Materials Science and Engineering Department > University of Michigan > Ann Arbor, MI, 48109-2136 > USA > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Room 2130, Dow Building > Phone (734) 764 3377 > Fax (734) 763 4788 > E-mail darcyc@engin.umich.edu > http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/mse250 > http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/people/darcyc/ > http://mseadmin.engin.umich.edu:591/ > http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From ???@??? Sat Jan 24 00:49:33 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 23 14:49:00 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvrse-0004BL-00; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:47:20 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980123215946.0094b800@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:59:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: looping over the Internet - one day hopefully ! Resent-Message-ID: <"SKByTD.A.eWG.UMRy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2476 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:47:20 -0800 X-UIDL: e5778164142e65e5dc01c960c9e767c8 Status: O X-Status: We were working on this idea at g-wiz several years ago. It's an interesting concept, with some unique challenges and possibilities. Unfortunately, most of the people working on it got fired right about the time they were about to produce some initial demos, so nothing came of it. Gibson never had a clue what they lost when they did that. too bad.... kim At 04:35 PM 1/23/98 -0500, Jeff Duke wrote: >I have been pondering how this could be accomplished myself.I have heard about >jamming with midi over the internet but audio?hmmm,maybe bandwith is god(small >g) >Jeff Duke sr. >Darcy Clark wrote: > >> It occurs to me that looping would be particularly suited to internet >> jamming, as latency could be accommodated by using longish loop times, and >> by only adding contributions to the loop at the start of the next loop. All >> we need now is a TCP/IP-aware Jamman upgrade !!! ;) >> >> >Some people of been exploring the musical possibilities of HUGE >> >latencies through internet jams. Last month some folks in NYC jammed >> >with some other folks in Japan where latencies where up around 10 >> >seconds, at least! It's a feature, not a bug... >> ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Sat Jan 24 00:50:08 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 23 19:26:08 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvwD9-00030e-00; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:24:47 -0800 Message-ID: <34C91F7D.65BB21FB@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:53:49 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looping over the Internet - one day hopefully ! References: <34C90D03.1850A304@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"W_6P0.A.4BF.1GVy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2480 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:24:47 -0800 X-UIDL: b66a4b5926c550dfbc1456dec35976ec Status: O X-Status: Wow I can see it now;a loop heard round the world(sorry).But really the delay(latencies) could be the beauty of the thing!It could be recorded from different points around the world and then mixed in various ways by all concerned.Tell me it could'nt be done,no don't. Jeff Jeff Duke wrote: > I have been pondering how this could be accomplished myself.I have heard about > jamming with midi over the internet but audio?hmmm,maybe bandwith is god(small > g) > Jeff Duke sr. > Darcy Clark wrote: > > > It occurs to me that looping would be particularly suited to internet > > jamming, as latency could be accommodated by using longish loop times, and > > by only adding contributions to the loop at the start of the next loop. All > > we need now is a TCP/IP-aware Jamman upgrade !!! ;) > > > > >Some people of been exploring the musical possibilities of HUGE > > >latencies through internet jams. Last month some folks in NYC jammed > > >with some other folks in Japan where latencies where up around 10 > > >seconds, at least! It's a feature, not a bug... > > > > Darcy Clark > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Materials Science and Engineering Department > > University of Michigan > > Ann Arbor, MI, 48109-2136 > > USA > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Room 2130, Dow Building > > Phone (734) 764 3377 > > Fax (734) 763 4788 > > E-mail darcyc@engin.umich.edu > > http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/mse250 > > http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/people/darcyc/ > > http://mseadmin.engin.umich.edu:591/ > > http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From ???@??? Sat Jan 24 00:50:40 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 23 22:14:10 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvyq6-0002KP-00; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:13:10 -0800 Message-Id: <98Jan23.165149cst.26888@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:54:25 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Re: looping over the Internet - one day hopefully ! In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980123215946.0094b800@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"uLQMcD.A.9IB.iOYy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2485 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:13:10 -0800 X-UIDL: d7b75f6d34970ab69da0735f01219725 Status: O X-Status: I think we may still have a clue! ;) Tom At 03:59 PM 1/23/98 -0600, you wrote: >We were working on this idea at g-wiz several years ago. It's an interesting >concept, with some unique challenges and possibilities. Unfortunately, most >of the people working on it got fired right about the time they were about >to produce some initial demos, so nothing came of it. Gibson never had a >clue what they lost when they did that. too bad.... > >kim > >At 04:35 PM 1/23/98 -0500, Jeff Duke wrote: >>I have been pondering how this could be accomplished myself.I have heard about >>jamming with midi over the internet but audio?hmmm,maybe bandwith is god(small >>g) >>Jeff Duke sr. >>Darcy Clark wrote: >> >>> It occurs to me that looping would be particularly suited to internet >>> jamming, as latency could be accommodated by using longish loop times, and >>> by only adding contributions to the loop at the start of the next loop. All >>> we need now is a TCP/IP-aware Jamman upgrade !!! ;) >>> >>> >Some people of been exploring the musical possibilities of HUGE >>> >latencies through internet jams. Last month some folks in NYC jammed >>> >with some other folks in Japan where latencies where up around 10 >>> >seconds, at least! It's a feature, not a bug... >>> >________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint 408-752-9284 >Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com >Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com > > > > From ???@??? Sat Jan 24 00:49:39 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 23 16:12:55 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvtD7-00054a-00; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:12:33 -0800 Message-ID: <34C92738.C8EB63EE@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:26:48 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looping over the Internet - one day hopefully ! References: <2.2.32.19980123215946.0094b800@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nTZ0iB.A.wVC.xvSy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2477 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:12:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 6cce6e3933b56c7de431ee35e33ff58a Status: O X-Status: Well,we can't let a little thing like corporate visionary's(oxymoron?)stop us.Of course I'm speaking from a completely naive viewpoint as I have had very little experiance with computers or the internet.It just seemed like an impossibility 1 mo. ago that I would have a web page and the other things that I have seen/heard on the internet,even though it does seem to be a high-tech covered wagon at times,lead me to believe that we "ain't seen nothin' yet" and the future of the direction and possibilities are ultimately up to the ones who go ahead with or without any support. sorry for the diatribe, Jeff Duke sr. TecBabLabs,I know it looks and sounds funny,but then so do I http://members.tripod.com/~dukesr/index.html Kim Flint wrote: > We were working on this idea at g-wiz several years ago. It's an interesting > concept, with some unique challenges and possibilities. Unfortunately, most > of the people working on it got fired right about the time they were about > to produce some initial demos, so nothing came of it. Gibson never had a > clue what they lost when they did that. too bad.... > > kim > > At 04:35 PM 1/23/98 -0500, Jeff Duke wrote: > >I have been pondering how this could be accomplished myself.I have heard about > >jamming with midi over the internet but audio?hmmm,maybe bandwith is god(small > >g) > >Jeff Duke sr. > >Darcy Clark wrote: > > > >> It occurs to me that looping would be particularly suited to internet > >> jamming, as latency could be accommodated by using longish loop times, and > >> by only adding contributions to the loop at the start of the next loop. All > >> we need now is a TCP/IP-aware Jamman upgrade !!! ;) > >> > >> >Some people of been exploring the musical possibilities of HUGE > >> >latencies through internet jams. Last month some folks in NYC jammed > >> >with some other folks in Japan where latencies where up around 10 > >> >seconds, at least! It's a feature, not a bug... > >> > ________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint 408-752-9284 > Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com > Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Sat Jan 24 00:50:06 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 23 19:21:14 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvw8x-0002ba-00; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:20:27 -0800 From: ZeplinSoup Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:20:29 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looping over the Internet - one day hopefully ! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"hKarrB.A.aaE.yAVy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2479 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:20:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 77c3ff4c18261bcfc4032c42b7a54179 Status: O X-Status: last year sometime I think Cakewalk music software,in collaboration with thunder fingers himself (John Entwitsle) sp huh oh well..anyway they did the first Live Internet Jam using ISDN lines in two remote locations.sorry guys I had a magazine article somewhere---I just looked for it ---that had a midi internet jam with many people. we have seen some pretty amazing music technology which is very new.I am thrilled with possibilies---like wouldnt it be cool to control stage lighting effects via midi and midi sequencing so that colors swirl and undulate in precision with the music.Some very starling performances to a future surprised ( dessert anyone?) audience as I am convinced that art + music will be one of the next frontiers.... Reeve From ???@??? Sat Jan 24 00:50:00 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 23 18:59:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvvms-0000Si-00; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:57:38 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980124014653.00ce3ce4@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:46:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: looping over the Internet - one day hopefully ! Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"K85FGC.A.0eB.okUy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2478 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:57:38 -0800 X-UIDL: 1a8ff619f8dc1f0c173bce1e79e393a8 Status: O X-Status: At 06:26 PM 1/23/98 -0500, Jeff Duke wrote: >the future of the direction and >possibilities are ultimately up to the ones who go ahead with or without any >support. That pretty much defines all of the developments that have happened with looping up to this point. Certainly all the ones I've been involved with. Hasn't exactly been a get-rich-quick scheme.... kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Sat Jan 24 00:50:11 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 23 19:52:04 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvwcU-0005T1-00; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:50:58 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980124031004.008d1640@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:10:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: looping over the Internet - one day hopefully ! Resent-Message-ID: <"Sdo-mD.A.yrB.ovVy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2481 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:50:58 -0800 X-UIDL: 555be9311d0d348b1bd3a32f729caa73 Status: O X-Status: At 07:20 PM 1/23/98 EST, ZeplinSoup wrote: >last year sometime I think Cakewalk music software,in collaboration with >thunder fingers himself (John Entwitsle) sp huh oh well..anyway they did the >first Live Internet Jam using ISDN lines in two remote locations.sorry guys I >had a magazine article somewhere---I just looked for it ---that had a midi >internet jam with many people. hmm. I think this was first done longer than a year ago, actually. I recall a san francisco based technology/performance artist doing something like this, with multiple musicians in different locations, playing over the net. Seems like it was at least two years ago, but I'm not real sure. >we have seen some pretty amazing music technology which is very new.I am >thrilled with possibilies---like wouldnt it be cool to control stage lighting >effects via midi and midi sequencing so that colors swirl and undulate in >precision with the music.Some very starling performances to a future surprised >( dessert anyone?) audience as I am convinced that art + music will be one of >the next frontiers.... You could do that now, with Midi Show Control and typical lighting rigs. Also, I once talked to a guy at a laserium show who said all his laser stuff was controlled by midi. So there ya go, no reason to wait. You could probably set up Max patches that react to musical events by doing particular things with the lights, and then improvise it all. My neighbor does really creative lighting for raves and clubs as a hobby, I'll ask him about that sometime. He'd probably know what gear is available. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Sat Jan 24 00:50:14 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 23 20:31:03 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvxEv-00014S-00; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:30:41 -0800 From: ZeplinSoup Message-ID: <3c11caed.34c969f9@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:11:35 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: midi cable lenght induced latnecy? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"j4WhQ.A.u-G.lpWy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2482 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:30:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 5740577f9c19e3b546bdf876c8e5bcda Status: O X-Status: should I buy a new cable??my current cable wraps around 3 football fields! ...or is a midi cable like an electricity wire where the transfer is instant beacue it entering one elctron on one end simply pushes the last one out on the other end..... Reeve From ???@??? Sat Jan 24 00:50:17 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 23 21:01:02 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvxi9-0003gd-00; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:00:53 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980124045055.008f68cc@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:50:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: midi cable lenght induced latnecy? Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"gsXPl.A.DrC.YNXy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2483 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:00:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 86a2a4e5146ca873d420615786d4fdac Status: O X-Status: At 11:11 PM 1/23/98 EST, ZeplinSoup wrote: >should I buy a new cable??my current cable wraps around 3 football fields! wow! I'm feeling very inadequate. >...or > >is a midi cable like an electricity wire where the transfer is instant beacue >it entering one elctron on one end simply pushes the last one out on the other >end..... It IS an electrical wire. As such, there is a delay for any waveform to travel from one end to the other, but that delay is going to be extremely short. (nothing is instant.) In fact, you would probably need thousands of miles of cable before you would even begin to notice it. This cable delay is waaaaaaaay smaller than midi delays incurred by the processors in the thing transmitting and the thing receiving the midi data. With very long cable you do risk problem with signal loss. The resistance of a very, very long cable might cause the signal to get too small and the receiver at the midi in jack might not be able to pick up the data. You'd notice that, because stuff wouldn't work. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Sat Jan 24 00:50:20 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 23 21:36:14 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xvyFw-0006ki-00; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:35:48 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980124052102.009e2be0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: gls@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:21:02 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Grover Sheffield Subject: RE: Hello... Resent-Message-ID: <"d0CxO.A.AXF.KrXy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2484 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:35:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 5461422d9081a1e9ee5dc33be6856b89 Status: O X-Status: Hi Laurie, good to see you. Hope your rack (and mind and heart, of course) expansion is going well. I really like reading your stuff. Later...Grover At 04:45 PM 1/20/98 -0800, you wrote: >I play bass, mostly. Just recently started making more elaborate loops with a >"plex n' tex" rack expansion. (As in echo- and vor-. Sounds like something >that is done at a neo-gothic plastic surgeon's joint. Yikes.) > >You've certainly come to the right place to talk loops. (Does that mean we end >up repeating ourselves a lot?) There are some incredibly knowledgeable and >helpful people hangin out here, if a little twisted. %^) Moebius Strippers? > I'd better stop now. > >ciao -- >laurie > > > > > > From ???@??? Sat Jan 24 14:36:05 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 24 03:01:52 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xw3LQ-00043D-00; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 03:01:48 -0800 Message-ID: <34C9CBEA.7D1E2F03@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 06:09:30 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andre@monmouth.com CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: some torn rec. CDs References: <199801221650.LAA21919@shell.monmouth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GrHZbC.A.AgD.Skcy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2486 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 03:01:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 11c2161db01b1f03622caf597c2bebef Status: O X-Status: I've got to check out that AZA.Living Colour were a fantastic band,and bernie worrell,wow.Anybody else like or heard of Praxis?It,s a Bill Laswell creation with various lineups including worrel,bootsy collins, john zorn,buckethead,brain and tons of others. Jeff andre wrote: > dave t also has TRIPPING OVER GOD and WHAT MEANS SOLID, TRAVELLER.. on the > defunct CMP - tho i got one store to order it for me.... get them fast !!!! > > also on some Mark Isham discs - very cool jazz/ambient trumpet player.... > he's on CLOUD, of course > > a killer one to get is the Mick Karn CDs TOOTH MOTHER & BESTIAL CLUSTER > > DT is on both and they rule. Mick rules. what the hell is he doing right > now?? > > also - i forget the title, BEST LAID PLANS (??) i think it's on ECM so you > can actually get it! -it's a DT duo album with a percussionist - cool, > loopy, ambient stuff, his rig was a merely mortal at that point, it seems. > > DT should join AZA for a tour/CD - AZA is will calhoun (does tons of > looping with a jamman and a korg wavedrum) and doug wimbush (bassist with a > rig from hell, with several looping devices on the floor and in - rack) - > these guys were the living colour rhythm section , they now have this > group, with bernie worrell and a floating sax player. > > andre@monmouth.com > > ---------- > > From: Stew Benedict > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Subject: Re: some torn live stuff > > Date: Thursday, January 22, 1998 6:44 AM > > > > > > I've been meaning to mention I've recently been enjoying "Polytown", > > thanks to a lead from this group. David, if you're listening, this is > > awesome stuff! Does anyone have any leads on other Torn titles? I find > > "Cloud About Mercury" everywhere, been scouring closeouts and used shops > > and found "Door X" once, but someone swiped the CD from the jewel case. > > The combo of Torn, Karn, and Bozzio on "Polytown" is absolutely amazing. > > > > Stew Benedict > > > > > > From ???@??? Sat Jan 24 14:36:09 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 24 04:06:05 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xw4Lb-0006j8-00; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 04:06:03 -0800 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 07:01:25 -0500 From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) Message-Id: <199801241201.AA24772@world.std.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looping over the Internet - one day hopefully ! Resent-Message-ID: <"xrSVtC.A.mCG.Ygdy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2489 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 04:06:03 -0800 X-UIDL: 3adc318570c7c74ba785e691513ed949 Status: O X-Status: >Could latency be overcome in part by having everything run to some kind of >Sync track, the way JamMan handles phrased loops; ultimately everyone would >be out of sync but by exactly 1/2/4 bars or whatever. If the latency is >exactly the size of a repeated unit (a loop, 4 bars, whatever) the >musicians will sound in time, though may not _be_ in >time. This is pretty much how I picture it could work. Basically, everybody has a little software synthesizer playing a bunch of loops, one per musician. You update your loop, and it gets transmitted to all the other musicians. (Ok, before you technical folk jump on me, for network bandwidth reasons, if there's more than two of you, that synthesizer might actually be a remote host--that is, do it client/server where I've just described peer-to-peer.) They hear the loop change properly, but delayed from when you made the change. Of course, it's not just "delayed"; because they make a change, and you hear THAT change delayed, and a third party hears both your changes at the _same_ time... Here, let me give you an almost concrete description: You only change your loop a few times, and we'll name each varation "a" or "b" etc, so you play a a a b b c c c d d and meanwhile we'll call his variations "1" or "2" etc... 1 1 2 2 3 3 4 4 5 5 But you don't hear the other guy's change for one loop, you would hear: a a1 a1 b2 b2 c3 c3 c4 d4 d5 5 and he would hear 1 a1 a2 a2 b3 b3 c4 c4 c5 d5 d So if these were each a full loop long, and the changes were gradual, the differences would probably not interfere too much with your ability to cooperate. The question is, what version is the "definitive" take? Everyone hears things differently, and _nobody_ hears the obvious "simultaneous" version a1 a1 a2 b2 b3 c3 c4 c4 d5 d5. Sean Barrett From ???@??? Sat Jan 24 14:36:11 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 24 04:20:40 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xw4Zh-0007by-00; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 04:20:37 -0800 Message-ID: <34C9DE77.240ED1DC@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 07:28:39 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looping over the Internet - one day hopefully ! References: <199801241201.AA24772@world.std.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mLLu_C.A.i5G.cudy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2490 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 04:20:37 -0800 X-UIDL: e63762a4e14fffb18216cfeb34346191 Status: O X-Status: on the definitive take,if everyone recorded the loop from start to finish then made a cd of all the different takes they would all sound the same,would'nt they?It would only be different at the time it was listened to and jammed with....oh well too early,i need more java(coffee that is)jeff Sean T Barrett wrote: > >Could latency be overcome in part by having everything run to some kind of > >Sync track, the way JamMan handles phrased loops; ultimately everyone would > >be out of sync but by exactly 1/2/4 bars or whatever. If the latency is > >exactly the size of a repeated unit (a loop, 4 bars, whatever) the > >musicians will sound in time, though may not _be_ in > >time. > > This is pretty much how I picture it could work. Basically, > everybody has a little software synthesizer playing a bunch > of loops, one per musician. You update your loop, and it > gets transmitted to all the other musicians. (Ok, before you > technical folk jump on me, for network bandwidth reasons, if > there's more than two of you, that synthesizer might actually > be a remote host--that is, do it client/server where I've just > described peer-to-peer.) > > They hear the loop change properly, but delayed from when > you made the change. Of course, it's not just "delayed"; > because they make a change, and you hear THAT change > delayed, and a third party hears both your changes at the > _same_ time... > > Here, let me give you an almost concrete description: > > You only change your loop a few times, and we'll name > each varation "a" or "b" etc, so you play > a a a b b c c c d d > and meanwhile we'll call his variations "1" or "2" etc... > 1 1 2 2 3 3 4 4 5 5 > > But you don't hear the other guy's change for one loop, > you would hear: > > a a1 a1 b2 b2 c3 c3 c4 d4 d5 5 > > and he would hear > > 1 a1 a2 a2 b3 b3 c4 c4 c5 d5 d > > So if these were each a full loop long, and the changes > were gradual, the differences would probably not interfere > too much with your ability to cooperate. The question is, > what version is the "definitive" take? Everyone hears > things differently, and _nobody_ hears the obvious > "simultaneous" version a1 a1 a2 b2 b3 c3 c4 c4 d5 d5. > > Sean Barrett From ???@??? Sat Jan 24 14:36:22 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 24 09:00:28 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xw8wV-0000s9-00; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:00:27 -0800 Message-ID: <34CA1C50.AAA73CE8@mediaone.net> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 11:52:32 -0500 From: innerspace@mediaone.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-MOEMW (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looping over the Internet - one day hopefully...LETS TRY ! References: <199801241201.AA24772@world.std.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------B5BB0F8FFD99D8BA5789CB63" Resent-Message-ID: <"Vj_9xB.A.WX.cxhy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2492 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:00:27 -0800 X-UIDL: b074dcfe16ab11eda935c029363f4c2a Status: O X-Status:  

Sean T Barrett wrote:

>Could latency be overcome in part by having everything run to some kind of
>Sync track, the way JamMan handles phrased loops; ultimately everyone would
>be out of sync but by exactly 1/2/4 bars or whatever. If the latency is
>exactly the size of a repeated unit (a loop, 4 bars, whatever) the
>musicians will sound in time, though may not _be_ in
>time.

This is pretty much how I picture it could work.  Basically,
everybody has a little software synthesizer playing a bunch
of loops, one per musician.  You update your loop, and it
gets transmitted to all the other musicians.  (Ok, before you
technical folk jump on me, for network bandwidth reasons, if
there's more than two of you, that synthesizer might actually
be a remote host--that is, do it client/server where I've just
described peer-to-peer.)

They hear the loop change properly, but delayed from when
you made the change.  Of course, it's not just "delayed";
because they make a change, and you hear THAT change
delayed, and a third party hears both your changes at the
_same_ time...

Here, let me give you an almost concrete description:

You only change your loop a few times, and we'll name
each varation "a" or "b" etc, so you play
 a a a b b c c c d d
and meanwhile we'll call his variations "1" or "2" etc...
 1 1 2 2 3 3 4 4 5 5

But you don't hear the other guy's change for one loop,
you would hear:

  a a1 a1 b2 b2 c3 c3 c4 d4 d5 5

and he would hear

  1 a1 a2 a2 b3 b3 c4 c4 c5 d5 d

So if these were each a full loop long, and the changes
were gradual, the differences would probably not interfere
too much with your ability to cooperate.  The question is,
what version is the "definitive" take?  Everyone hears
things differently, and _nobody_ hears the obvious
"simultaneous" version a1 a1 a2 b2 b3 c3 c4 c4 d5 d5.

Sean Barrett

 
Great...   Just when I thought I'd figured out how to play an instrument along with four or five other guys successfully you'all turn around and make intercontinental jamspace a reality....  back to school...
    Interesting point about what would be the definitive jam.... who would hear what, etc....  I wonder how one would go about transposing this information.... Would all players be restricted to certain keys  or is dissonance kinda the point...  I understand there are a lot of us all around the globe w/ different interpretations of this idea (and you all seem to know what you're talking about, which in my case isn't entirely true...), but how would you tackle the simple problems posed by Western and Eastern scales, frequencies theat don't mix etc....   Time latencies that cause changes in the structure of the jam.... IE:Some guy in holland playing cello loops in 7/11 while a young woman in Kyoto is going crazy in one of those traditional tunings that was posted the other day ( except shes not even in a time signature at all...) and ( all along) Some musical genius in Topeka is playing several instruments (by himself) (because he can!:)) all in different time signna/......

I figure ya get the picture.....   I am not seeing how this would work in all cases.... there would be a luck factor.... yes/no?

bye bbye
..................................................................................................................................:) From ???@??? Sat Jan 24 14:36:27 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 24 10:48:58 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwAdV-00079L-00; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 10:48:57 -0800 Message-ID: <34CA3911.38E78D9C@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 13:55:13 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Torn and Door X -- an apology References: <3.0.3.32.19980123000305.006ae16c@mail.interagp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BrOPmB.A.0KG._Yjy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2493 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 10:48:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 029940666e421be633ced8fc0c4c7772 Status: O X-Status: I emailed Jeff Suit at DT's site and he sent me this url for his new and improved ra's.they sound great but they are for a 56k modem so it was a little choppy for me at 33.6they played though and do sound good.Heres the url; http://web.engin.umich.edu/torn/real/ Jeff Caleb Deupree wrote: > Based on the positive reactions which Door X got earlier today on this > list, I dug up my old copy and listened to it again, and it was *much* > better than I remembered (although I still prefer his more experimental > work). Thanks for the admonishments which got me to listen to it again. I > also noticed a couple of listings for it at www.gemm.com, a clearinghouse > for various new and used CD dealers. They also had the oop CMP albums, at > ridiculously high prices. > > There is a web site on Torn at http://ott-outreach.engin.umich.edu/torn/, > although it doesn't appear to have been updated lately. > > -- > Caleb Deupree > cdeupree@interagp.com > cdeupree@erinet.com > > Computers are useless; they can only give you answers > -- Pablo Picasso From ???@??? Sat Jan 24 14:36:28 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 24 11:12:07 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwAzt-0000n7-00; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 11:12:05 -0800 Message-ID: <34CA3EAF.B3E28C3F@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:19:11 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looping over the Internet - one day hopefully ! References: <3.0.1.16.19980124142639.3f67163e@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gMfX-B.A.XZ.Xvjy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2494 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 11:12:05 -0800 X-UIDL: 684c97f7b1c7418c82d5dfaee9479073 Status: O X-Status: Mry Bro',RR sent me this as recorded at one point on the globe with everyone starting at once to a midi click on a prearranged tune; Well, look at it from a subjective listeners point of "view". If everyone started playing at 12:00pm GMT you would have(loop by loop) : A1 B1 C1 then A1B1C1+A2 A1B1C1+B2 A1B1C1+C2 then A2B2C2+A3 A2B2C2+B3 A2B2C2+C3 and so on.... Randy Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D. wrote: > At 07:28 AM 1/24/98 -0500, you wrote: > >on the definitive take,if everyone recorded the loop from start to finish > then > >made a cd of all the different takes they would all sound the same,would'nt > >they?It would only be different at the time it was listened to and jammed > >with....oh well too early,i need more java(coffee that is)jeff > > Hmmm. Let's consider 2 musicians, A and B. They are playing over a 10 > second loop. We'll call musician A's first loop A1. second A2 etc. Now if > both musicians are playing over the same 10-sec toop (or drum pattern or > whatever), the structure would go something like this: > > A plays A1 > ten seconds later > B starts playing B1 in sync over A's A1 > A is simultaneously playing A2 over A1 > ten seconds later > A is now playing A3 over A1+A2+B1. > B is playing B2 over A1+A2 > > etc. > > This could be extended to C, D etc. Everyone would hear a different > version; A would hear > > A1 A2 A3+B1 A4+B2 etc > B gets > A1+B1 A2+B2 etc > > In a 3-way jam: > A: A1 A2 A3+B1 A4+B2+C1 etc > B: A1+B1 A2+B2+C1 A3+B3+C2 etc > C: A1+B1+C1 A2+B2+C2 A3+B3+C3 etc > > In order to prevent anyone leading, A could be the click/drum track. > > Michael From ???@??? Sat Jan 24 14:36:08 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 24 03:21:36 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xw3eZ-0004nY-00; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 03:21:35 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980124125750.1db70fec@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 12:57:50 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: looping over the Internet - one day hopefully ! In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980124031004.008d1640@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"iT9VYC.A.rUE.73cy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2487 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 03:21:35 -0800 X-UIDL: 8f832b0b31ad2d2b1c0768e1be659b98 Status: O X-Status: Could latency be overcome in part by having everything run to some kind of Sync track, the way JamMan handles phrased loops; ultimately everyone would be out of sync but by exactly 1/2/4 bars or whatever. If the latency is exactly the size of a repeated unit (a loop, 4 bars, whatever) the musicians will sound in time, though may not _be_ in time. Michael From ???@??? Sat Jan 24 14:36:09 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 24 03:31:16 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xw3ns-0005Fd-00; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 03:31:12 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980124130653.1f07ce7a@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 13:06:53 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: looping over the Internet - one day hopefully ! In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980124031004.008d1640@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ngFtRB.A.KuE.ZAdy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2488 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 03:31:12 -0800 X-UIDL: b766e9aeec2458f281db1cfb13997f78 Status: O X-Status: >>sorry guys I >>had a magazine article somewhere---I just looked for it ---that had a midi >>internet jam with many people. >hmm. I think this was first done longer than a year ago, actually. I recall >a san francisco based technology/performance artist doing something like >this, with multiple musicians in different locations, playing over the net. >Seems like it was at least two years ago, but I'm not real sure. I'm pretty sure I've seen the software for live MIDI internet jamming for free internet download. Try www.resrocket.com and see what you think. Michael From ???@??? Sat Jan 24 14:36:15 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 24 04:51:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xw53b-0001FR-00; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 04:51:31 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980124142639.3f67163e@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:26:39 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: looping over the Internet - one day hopefully ! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"y_JyXB.A.Tx.QLey0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2491 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 04:51:31 -0800 X-UIDL: 8d3a5b4fe319c9961699291ea9b5767f Status: O X-Status: At 07:28 AM 1/24/98 -0500, you wrote: >on the definitive take,if everyone recorded the loop from start to finish then >made a cd of all the different takes they would all sound the same,would'nt >they?It would only be different at the time it was listened to and jammed >with....oh well too early,i need more java(coffee that is)jeff Hmmm. Let's consider 2 musicians, A and B. They are playing over a 10 second loop. We'll call musician A's first loop A1. second A2 etc. Now if both musicians are playing over the same 10-sec toop (or drum pattern or whatever), the structure would go something like this: A plays A1 ten seconds later B starts playing B1 in sync over A's A1 A is simultaneously playing A2 over A1 ten seconds later A is now playing A3 over A1+A2+B1. B is playing B2 over A1+A2 etc. This could be extended to C, D etc. Everyone would hear a different version; A would hear A1 A2 A3+B1 A4+B2 etc B gets A1+B1 A2+B2 etc In a 3-way jam: A: A1 A2 A3+B1 A4+B2+C1 etc B: A1+B1 A2+B2+C1 A3+B3+C2 etc C: A1+B1+C1 A2+B2+C2 A3+B3+C3 etc In order to prevent anyone leading, A could be the click/drum track. Michael From ???@??? Sat Jan 24 15:33:18 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 24 15:10:03 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwEi9-0006zi-00; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:10:01 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34C9CBEA.7D1E2F03@bellsouth.net> References: <199801221650.LAA21919@shell.monmouth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:59:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: praxis (ws some torn rec. CDs) Resent-Message-ID: <"sARy4B.A.NOG.COny0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2495 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:10:01 -0800 X-UIDL: e29736c8787636064c8528e585f62941 Status: O X-Status: >I've got to check out that AZA.Living Colour were a fantastic band,and bernie >worrell,wow.Anybody else like or heard of Praxis?It,s a Bill Laswell creation >with various lineups including worrel,bootsy collins, john >zorn,buckethead,brain and tons of others. >Jeff oh yeah, I have all the praxis albums. A lovely schizophrenic feel, with some incredible music in there. Lot of great surprises. And Brain just blows me a way. Definitely one of the most talented and funky drummers on the planet. I've enjoyed listening to him since the old Limbomaniacs days. And of course buckethead, who has the distinction of being the only guitar player I'm still interested in listening to. You really have to see him live to grasp just how brilliant he can be and how absurdly funny. He's standing up there playing with inhuman technique and mocking it all at the same time. And with that expressionless mask, you just can't tell if he means the brilliant ironies or if he's just a complete idiot, which I think is part of the point and makes it that much more fun. I've actually seen buckethead loop before, so it's not completely off topic I guess..... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun Jan 25 08:33:39 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 24 18:50:05 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwI92-000492-00; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:50:00 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199801212138.NAA25353@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> <34C65DB5.AA3892C9@mediaone.net> from "innerspace@mediaone.net" at Jan 21, 98 03:42:29 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:52:18 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: www-cycling74 wow.:) Resent-Message-ID: <"FJZYoB.A.ELD.Raqy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2498 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:50:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 4cf2c4803450e06a606af5186db2a8ae Status: O X-Status: At 8:48 AM -0400 1/22/98, Curtis Bahn wrote: >>kim flint wrote >>One thing kind of troubling about the computer based systems for real-time >>use is the latency problems. (meaning the time it would take for audio to >>be sent in and sent back out again.) On the MSP site some typical latencies >>are actually listed as: >> >>Audio input to audio output latency on a 9600/300: >> Using the Digidesign Audiomedia III: 46ms >> Using the Sound Manager: 294ms >> >>that's definitely in the range where you would notice it in some >>situations, especially with looping and trying to maintain precise grooves. >>And this is on a very fast (and expensive) system! I know that PC's suffer >>from the same problem. The audio has to go through a lot of operating >>system to get to where it's useable, and a lot more operating system to get >>out again. >> >>So those of you using systems like these for real-time audio I/O, how do >>you deal with that? Are you able to operate it with any timing precision >>for real-time audio events? And I don't mean hard disk recording where the >>system has opportunities to compensate for the latency. I mean audio really >>going in and out, like you might have on a typical stand alone audio >>processor. Anyone? >> > >Latency can be a real problem sometimes. Especially on a powerbook, the >technology is not really there yet to have an inexpensive self-contained >system that can deal with all the audio processing and performance I/O in >real-time without some significant lag. >In some cases, like making rich ambient textures, the latency just desn't >matter and it is a reasonable price to pay to be in control of more aspects >of what your signal processing device is doing. We're certainly in a >transition period between hardware and software based models for our toys. >It's pretty exciting. Especially in performance areas like looping (which >isn't that "expensive" in terms of computer processing and won't incur as >much latency as more complicated signal processing) this technology is I basically agree with you about things moving towards a more software oriented environment. Whether it will all be running on general, yet focused musical/audio devices or on general purpose computers seems rather questionable for quite a while, if ever. You say that something like Looping doesn't require a lot of processing power, and having developed them, I'd say that's not really correct. It mostly doesn't take a lot of signal processing power, that's true, but it does take a lot of processing power to maintain the real time control. At it's core, Looping is not so much about dsp and signal processing as it is about control over data and functional execution. It requires a true real-time operating system to ensure that any possible event requested by the user can be executed at any point in time, within a guaranteed amount of time. Such an OS expends a huge amount of processing cycles making sure that this is possible. Devices like the echoplex, jamman, and boomerang use all of their processing power to make sure that when you tell it to do something, it gets done within a very short amount of time. On the Echoplex, for example, this maximum latency is only 1.5ms. Windows and the MacOS are not real-time operating systems. They are genearalized to do a lot of different types of tasks. They have some real-time services available, but not much. And those are not as good as something designed specifically for that. That might change some, but not much in the near future. Most of the services that get added have to do with real-time signal processing, and not with real time control. The only way they can approach real-time performance is by massively increasing the processing speed, and then you pay for a lot of extra power. And as that power becomes available, the general purpose operating systems always find new ways to fill it up. Your only hope is when you can add on a peripheral that runs it's own real-time os in conjunction with the main system. (which is what Chromatic does with Mpact media processors, and presumably what digidesign does with their system.) So this problem isn't likely to go away soon on basic desktop machines. The hardware based loopers do a lot more than just put a sound in memory and repeat it. What makes them special are all the other functions and features that let the user interact with it like a musical instrument. These are the sort of features that will be very difficult or impossible to create on general purpose machines available now or for the near future. And then there's the longer view of where PC's are going, which may offer more possibilities. A lot of people in the PC and consumer electronics industries are pushing these areas to merge together. So PC's begin to appear that are more specifically focused on single tasks, and consumer electronics devices begin to appear with more PC-like features. You can see this happening now with set-top boxes, PDA's, and home theater equipment. You will soon see the same with stereo equipment, TV's, telephones, dishwashers, and whatever. It's not unreasonable to think the same will happen with musical instruments. I tend to think that in 10-15 years, the idea of using a desktop computer designed for office use for the purposes of creating music will seem as quaint and old-fashioned as the huge patch cord based analog synths of the 60's and 70's seem today. Time will tell I guess. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Jan 24 18:43:17 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 24 17:24:42 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwGoR-0006mL-00; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:24:39 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: <4cccaa85.34ca9321@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:19:27 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: praxis ...and Buckethead and Laswell rules Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"hJ46C.A.o7F.6Mpy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2496 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:24:39 -0800 X-UIDL: 247d39627e781b8110210ab658fa738f Status: O X-Status: KiM: The LoOpDoctOrs must endorse your Buckethead fandom. We LOVE this guy. We love his albums, which cut against metal/thrash expectation and always prove to be funkier, funnier and tastier then any meal at the Colonol's. Best, the LoOpDoctOrs ps: we sent in the tape From ???@??? Sat Jan 24 18:43:18 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 24 17:27:30 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwGrA-000740-00; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:27:28 -0800 From: PJBMHB Message-ID: <73134ce0.34ca9327@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:19:33 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: buckethead Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"ieJQTC.A.1GG.2Opy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2497 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:27:28 -0800 X-UIDL: 7f0263c7f13a2d01f94a18d8495509eb Status: O X-Status: mr. buckethead is a strange one. i like his stuff but know that whenever i put his stuff on the cd player i will not be able to find my 2 ferrets. they will be hiding. as will my wife. i am the only buckethead fan in my house. =-0 PJ From ???@??? Sun Jan 25 08:33:41 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 24 18:50:06 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwI91-00048x-00; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:49:59 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199801202051.PAA03244@newman.concentric.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:28:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE:Time for digitech machine page Resent-Message-ID: <"hV7UVB.A.5MD.daqy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2499 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:49:59 -0800 X-UIDL: 8cb4f29cba3bc516375269cbeb9332d7 Status: O X-Status: At 3:51 PM -0500 1/20/98, Tom Lambrecht wrote: >Kim: > >I'm, assuming that if some misguided soul who didn' get enuf attention as a >child was intrigued by the thankless prospect of compiling various boring >technical minutiae regarding an inanimate object that has been out of >production for years into a FAQ that less than a handful of people will ever >see (and when they do, will curse their search engine) . . . . > >that you would turn the text file into a finished Loopers Web page complete >with head counter, flashing messages and the previously mentioned super >models fiddling with the KNOBS (AAAOOOOOOOHHHHH . . . KNOBS) on a vintage >RDS 8000 with Real-Time Audio and Puddling Video and Java and . . . . > >Ahem . . well if that is the case, (and if and only the rest of the Deviate >League of Time Machinists contribute to the project), I'd have a go . . . ok, you're on. Although, don't expect me to be doing all that java and video stuff. I don't have time to do it or even learn how! The most I ever figured out was how to make something into a basic web page, and for that I just use the free html composer that comes with netscape. I'd encourage you to go ahead and do that much, because it's easy and if you wait for me to do it, it'll take forever. Or partner up with another time-machine fanatic to help you out. but hey, thanks for offering to pitch in! I'll ask one of my numerous supermodel friends to pay you a visit. kim > assumed responsibility for collecting and compilingAt 11:03 AM 1/20/98 >-0500, you wrote: >> >> >>Kim Flint wrote: >> >>> At 3:22 PM -0800 1/19/98, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: >>> >KRosser414 asked: >>> >>appears to be capable of some great stuff, but I need a manual. Anyone >>> >>have one? I'd gladly pay for a xerox & postage... >>> > >>> > >>> >I've got their number at home, which I called when I got MINE - and >>>got the >>> >manual FREE. >>> >>> hey, if someone wants to scan the manual, I'd be happy to put it on the >>> website. >>> >>> Also, lots of great info has been posted about this box. It would be great >>> if someone could complile it all into a FAQ for the Time Machine page. That >>> poor lonely page sure could use someone to take care of it! >>> >>> Just think of the fame and self promotion it would gain you... Looper's >>> Delight gets over 3000 hits a week. All those people looking at YOUR >>> handywork....imagine: the job offers come streaming in....overflowing bank >>> accounts....new home studio toys....parties with rock stars and super >>> models....it could all be yours, just for one measly web page..... >>> >>> kim >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>> Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >>> kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >>> http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> >> >>Kim... I love the Digitech Time Machine...... >> I love Music made with the digitech time machine.... >> I love the loopers delight web page.... >> >> I'm just not smart enough to post my own web page.... >> >> Sorry....:( >> I had to be good at something and it wasn't computers >> >> >> >> >Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun Jan 25 08:33:38 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 24 18:50:04 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwI90-00048r-00; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:49:58 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:36:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: ANYONE KNOW THE MIDI PEDAL SCHEME FOR THE ECHOPLEX? Resent-Message-ID: <"a_HRO.A.ROD.naqy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2500 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:49:58 -0800 X-UIDL: add54b10c9ddd7f03aad46beed3118d6 Status: O X-Status: At 3:10 AM -0500 1/21/98, ENAT21213 wrote: >Thanks for the quick reply Kim. > The echoplex sounds way more complex than my jamman.Im thinking of >investing in one?The only problem I have is this midi controller/echoplex >pedalboard access loop 1 thru 9 tap thing. > What I do is midi merge two ada mc1 midi pedal controllers together .This >gives me access to all 19 of jammans loop functions without having to bank up >and down.The ada mc1 has 10 buttons on the face of one pedalboard.So with the >press of a button I can get around with ease (essential for me,especially >live).I would love it if the echoplex would react in a similar way. The Echoplex (the technology we at Aurisis develop that runs the echoplex is called Loop, btw) can react that way, but I suspect that your current pedals either won't do it or won't do it in a satisfactory way. You might want to consider upgrading to a more capable pedal, or get the pedal designed for the echoplex. Again, I'm not familiar with the ADA pedal, but I believe it is a very simple one. You can't expect it to do everything.... >I realize >the echoplex does not accept midi program changes messages.You mentioned that >this feature will be added in a future echoplex.Any idea when this version >will be avalible? What I meant is we may add program change support to Loop for the purposes of changing programs, which is the purpose of that midi command. So you would be able to change from one setup to another by sending a program change command, in the same way you change patches on a multi-effect or a synth with program change messages. Using program change messages for executing functions on the echoplex is problematic, for one thing because it would interfere with us using it for the intended purpose defined in the midi standard of changing programs. Another reason is that a midi program change message simply contains less information than note and continuous control messages. We use all of the information in the later types to make the midi interface more elegant and musically intuitive, while allowing you to control more things with fewer buttons. Changing the interface to work with program change messages makes it less intuitive and harder to use, and some functions won't be available at all. And that's opposed to our general design philosophy for Loop. All of our efforts are focused on designing an interface that is musically useful and intuitive. We wouldn't want to release something that gives anyone a lesser experience with Loop. We'll continue to investigate this possibility, but I'm not very positive about it. Being compatible with every ancient midi pedal is not a task I relish! As far as when any future versions of Loop might be available, we don't discuss that. Since we just released a major version a few months ago, you might imagine that it won't be very soon, but we are always working on new developments. >Sounds like the midi note or continuous controller message for changing >loops in echoplex may work for me?Not shure though,is anyone out there using a >similar set up to mine with the echoplex?If so mabey you can let me know how >this midi note/continouous controler thing works with your midi pedal.I really >need to be able to jump from one function to the next with minimal tapping. I have a digitech PMC-10 pedal set up to do this, and it works very well. I got the pedal for $100. > Any Oberheim dealers in my area?I live in Myrtle Beach S.C. ,anywhere in >S.C.,N.C. or GA. would work.I would love to try one out.I'd probably order one >right now if I knew I could access most functions(especially loops 1 thru 9) >with the press of one button. You have to ask Oberheim about that..... kim >Thanks for your help and patience, >Brian McKenzie > > >In a message dated 98-01-20 06:39:06 EST, you write: > ><< And last is switching with midi. Unlike the JamMan, the echoplex is more > like a sampler in this respect. It uses Midi Notes or Continuous Controller > messages for changing loops. If you have the velocity parameter turned on, > the Echoplex will use the velocity info in the note on message (or the > value of the controller) to set the volume of the loop you switch to. You > jump directly to the loop you want by pressing it's associated > Note/controller number. (you can set which notes/controllers it uses for > the loops.) >> ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun Jan 25 08:33:48 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 24 20:42:20 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwJti-0002Pt-00; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:42:18 -0800 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 23:35:59 -0500 (EST) From: CORROSIVE@aol.com Message-ID: <980124233558_1783960427@mrin39.mx> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: RE:Time for digitech machine page Resent-Message-ID: <"FLcxj.A.C4B.uFsy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2501 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:42:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 520c6d6b316fae2629200519085cfe72 Status: O X-Status: Although I am just the owner of a lowly PDS-8000, I'd love to hear more feedback (ouch), tips & stuff regarding time machines... i personally feel lo-res looping is equally as kool as hi-res!! I would love it if the Plex pro had a switch (or mod) so you could do 4 bit sampling (ala electro-harmonix super replay), cause the lo-res grain makes it sound like your loops were shot into space & bounced off Pluto before behind detuned & returned to your pitched down psyche... From ???@??? Sun Jan 25 08:33:48 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 24 20:53:33 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwK4Y-00039O-00; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:53:30 -0800 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 23:48:30 -0500 (EST) From: CORROSIVE@aol.com Message-ID: <980124234829_-265053875@mrin54> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: RE:Time for digitech machine page Resent-Message-ID: <"yDCDz.A.kqC.dRsy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2502 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:53:30 -0800 X-UIDL: dfeed2497005801ad56f593955e119f4 Status: O X-Status: oh yeah... if you want, I'd be glad to provide pictures of my really cute girlfriend twiddling PDS-8000 knobs... or tweaking pretty much any Electro Harmonix effect ( except the attack decay- still fishin for 1 of them) From ???@??? Sun Jan 25 08:33:50 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 24 21:28:53 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwKcl-00059L-00; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 21:28:51 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980124212154.00ab3730@global.california.com> X-Sender: sechevar@global.california.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 21:21:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: PMC-10 again In-Reply-To: References: <01bd071d$565fb200$643163d1@user.texas.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"-mUUsD.A.rdE.6xsy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2503 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 21:28:51 -0800 X-UIDL: 5201f72853b90fedcf8ef347296e36fa Status: O X-Status: PMC-10 owners, I've got an opportunity to pick up a PMC-10 with power supply BUT no remote programmer. Is the hand-held device the only way to program it? Probably no manual either. Can it be programmed via sysex? I saw a programmer for a Digitech DSP256 - anyone ever try plugging it into the PMC-10? Thanks for any advice, Sean From ???@??? Sun Jan 25 17:07:10 1998 >From kflint Sun Jan 25 09:49:24 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwWBN-0001ZC-00; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:49:21 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:09:14 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: PMC-10 again Resent-Message-ID: <"QxAj1D.A.-IB.Fo3y0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2508 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:49:21 -0800 X-UIDL: e6886b57fb16a54895707bf59a6ac17f Status: O X-Status: >PMC-10 owners, > >I've got an opportunity to pick up a PMC-10 with power supply BUT no remote >programmer. Is the hand-held device the only way to program it? Probably >no manual either. Can it be programmed via sysex? I saw a programmer for >a Digitech DSP256 - anyone ever try plugging it into the PMC-10? > >Thanks for any advice, >Sean Sean, It appears to be the only way I've found to program it. I can photocopy you the manual if and when you need it. Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Sun Jan 25 08:34:26 1998 >From kflint Sun Jan 25 05:02:21 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwRhb-0007Ej-00; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 05:02:19 -0800 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 07:57:26 -0500 From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) Message-Id: <199801251257.AA18909@world.std.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: ANYONE KNOW THE MIDI PEDAL SCHEME FOR THE ECHOPLEX? Resent-Message-ID: <"EBzfTB.A.XcG.5azy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2505 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 05:02:19 -0800 X-UIDL: 66775a970cee97035ab9bb942e03d73c Status: O X-Status: >Using program change messages for executing functions on the echoplex is >problematic, for one thing because it would interfere with us using it for >the intended purpose defined in the midi standard of changing programs. Why not just have a simple global toggle: current behavior and use-program-change-messages for general control I can't see it being that much software work to provide both (the usual reason why it's not worth supporting multiple interfaces). >Changing the interface to work with program change messages makes >it less intuitive and harder to use, and some functions won't be available >at all. And that's opposed to our general design philosophy for Loop. All >of our efforts are focused on designing an interface that is musically >useful and intuitive. We wouldn't want to release something that gives >anyone a lesser experience with Loop. But, the marketplace reality is that plenty of people seem to have pedals that don't produce the needed messages. If those people _don't_ buy a compatible footpedal, that is, if they buy it out of the box, for the price you're (ok, Oberheim) selling it, they're left with no footpedal interface at all. Is this really "more musically useful and intuitive"? I don't know _what_ it is you communicate with the "missing data", but how can it be worse than what's on the front of the rack face? If "note-on" is used to select a loop, and you make some use of the velocity as well (to determine the volume of the loop?), how does a user using the rackface or the _official_ pedalboard ever get this effect? I guess you're missing the "note-off"s, which would make a difference where your interface has special meanings for "press and hold this button, then press this other button", but eventually you remap those to some unique "operation"--just provide one program change for each operation, and let people program the ones they use into their footpedal however they want. I understand and wholeheartedly support coherent, intuitive user-interface designs. And I _totally_ agree philosophically with the problems with using program-control messages for non-program-y events. Abusing a standard (e.g. MIDI) can undermine the success of such a standard. But MIDI _is_ already solidly grounded, and there's (apparently) lots of people with such pedals, who are currently surviving on an coherent, relatively intuitive design (actually it sounds a bit overconstrained by the limited number of buttons--a little too modal) which they can only access with their hands--which in the end rather makes it not-very-easy-to-use. To reiterate--people are already using it in a horribly clumsy manner, if they've got the wrong kind of MIDI pedalboard. Is it really an outrage to provide a special mode and a hundred lines of code to make it more useable? Sean Barrett don't look at me, I don't even own an EDP From ???@??? Sun Jan 25 08:34:25 1998 >From kflint Sun Jan 25 04:56:09 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwRbc-0006nt-00; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 04:56:08 -0800 Message-ID: <34CB3801.4C45A141@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 08:02:57 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: David Torn loop CDs References: <199801230214_MC2-305B-1413@compuserve.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------71720664067AF5112E4CAA6D" Resent-Message-ID: <"cpVYG.A.2AG.jUzy0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2504 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 04:56:08 -0800 X-UIDL: afee0878a5b9d95f267820aaafa4d692 Status: O X-Status: Michael,
could you give the url for q-up arts?I was'nt able to locate it with a cursery search.
thanks,Jeff

 

Michael Peters wrote:

okay, talking about DoorX and Torn's other CDs - maybe not everyone on the
list is aware of Torn's awesome loop CDs 'Tonal Textures' and 'Pandora's
Toolbox'.

The Tonal Textures cover says:

>Unusual sonic landscapes and unique
>atmospheres for use as musical
>backgrounds in multi-media,
>film scoring, composition,
>and music production.

About Pandora's Toolbox, Torn wrote,

>'pandora' is a bit different:
>much more material than t.t.,
>so it had to be set-up a little more
>efficiently for sampling-peoples.

The problem with these 2 CDs is that they're not regular audio CDs
(although they can be played on regular CD players) but supposed to be
sample CDs - they are available from Q-Up Arts (check their website) for a
*very* high price which kept me from buying Pandora's Toolbox, but I spent
the money for Tonal Textures because Torn played it before his 'Slipping
over God' solo concert and I immediately fell in love with it. Very
beautiful, you'll sure like it if you are into, say, Enoesque atmospheres.
Definitely recommended stuff.

___________
Michael Peters
        http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters
HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want"
        http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm

  From ???@??? Sun Jan 25 17:07:04 1998 >From kflint Sun Jan 25 08:59:08 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwVOl-0006UV-00; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 08:59:07 -0800 X-Sender: kmistove@mail.eclipse.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34CB3801.4C45A141@bellsouth.net> References: <199801230214_MC2-305B-1413@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:54:30 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ken Mistove Subject: Re: David Torn loop CDs Resent-Message-ID: <"HjE1j.A.j1F.M52y0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2506 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 08:59:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 49f23a5a0eebc94f4f25d5827dd9555a Status: O X-Status: Point you browser at: http://quparts.com/ David's two discs are listed at: http://quparts.com/ambient.htm >could you give the url for q-up arts?I was'nt able to locate it with a >cursery search. Ken Ken Mistove kmistove@eclipse.net new stuff: http://www.geocities.com/~kenzak/ old stuff: http://www.eclipse.net/~kmistove/ From ???@??? Sun Jan 25 17:07:06 1998 >From kflint Sun Jan 25 09:23:46 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwVmb-00001v-00; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:23:45 -0800 From: TritoneDW Message-ID: <1fe46a04.34cb735d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:16:11 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: praxis (ws some torn rec. CDs) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"h3NFpC.A.w9G.BQ3y0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2507 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:23:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 6ee62ddede4f9d1bdd8e7ed83adb6f50 Status: O X-Status: Another plug for Buckethead (and the whole Laswell contingent). Just great guitar playing. The Laswell projects can be pretty hit and miss, but there's always something good in there somewhere. Buckethead did an ambient album under the name Death Cube K (it's an anagram for Buckethead--cute huh?) a few years ago. I'm not sure if it's loop based--haven't heard it since I picked up my JamPig. Anyway, it was also produced by Laswell. It's filled with dark textures and such. Some of you may want to check it out. Buckethead fans beware, though--I don't think there's a single solo on the whole disc. Drew Wheeler From ???@??? Sun Jan 25 17:07:19 1998 >From kflint Sun Jan 25 11:08:00 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwXPP-0005jg-00; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:07:55 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: klaw@iglou.com Subject: Re: ANYONE KNOW THE MIDI PEDAL SCHEME FOR THE ECHOPLEX? Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:00:26 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"C_h0MC.A.B9E.Hw4y0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2509 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:07:55 -0800 X-UIDL: 605dd49da7ee512bd5149bce8018fddb Status: O X-Status: Hello everyone . Top o the day to ya. Regarding switching loops with ccs : How is this done? I thought the ccs were feedback, vol. I switch with note ons did I miss something? Also perhaps a question for KIm : Is it possible with current hardware on plex to reset loops to startpoint when using nxtloop? This has always seemed so logical& musical.If I have a number of loops in a piece I need them to start at the beginning when I switch rather than run continously. I supose it would have its uses in a random sort of way but its not very predictable. Maybe have a option to reset or run like in mute mode.BTW thanks Kim for your ideas on the quantize function. I finally found a use for this!Works excellent in V5.0. Also little tid bit for those interesed : Long delay module(on sampling board) in Eventide 4000 does not change pitch when adjusting delay range only lenghth>effectively performing a real time time compression looping function. Very wild. Still working on that page Kim. I have much to report. Cheers K Law >At 3:10 AM -0500 1/21/98, ENAT21213 wrote: >>Thanks for the quick reply Kim. >> The echoplex sounds way more complex than my jamman.Im thinking of >>investing in one?The only problem I have is this midi controller/echoplex >>pedalboard access loop 1 thru 9 tap thing. >> What I do is midi merge two ada mc1 midi pedal controllers together .This >>gives me access to all 19 of jammans loop functions without having to bank up >>and down.The ada mc1 has 10 buttons on the face of one pedalboard.So with the >>press of a button I can get around with ease (essential for me,especially >>live).I would love it if the echoplex would react in a similar way. > >The Echoplex (the technology we at Aurisis develop that runs the echoplex >is called Loop, btw) can react that way, but I suspect that your current >pedals either won't do it or won't do it in a satisfactory way. You might >want to consider upgrading to a more capable pedal, or get the pedal >designed for the echoplex. Again, I'm not familiar with the ADA pedal, but >I believe it is a very simple one. You can't expect it to do everything.... > >>I realize >>the echoplex does not accept midi program changes messages.You mentioned that >>this feature will be added in a future echoplex.Any idea when this version >>will be avalible? > >What I meant is we may add program change support to Loop for the purposes >of changing programs, which is the purpose of that midi command. So you >would be able to change from one setup to another by sending a program >change command, in the same way you change patches on a multi-effect or a >synth with program change messages. > >Using program change messages for executing functions on the echoplex is >problematic, for one thing because it would interfere with us using it for >the intended purpose defined in the midi standard of changing programs. >Another reason is that a midi program change message simply contains less >information than note and continuous control messages. We use all of the >information in the later types to make the midi interface more elegant and >musically intuitive, while allowing you to control more things with fewer >buttons. Changing the interface to work with program change messages makes >it less intuitive and harder to use, and some functions won't be available >at all. And that's opposed to our general design philosophy for Loop. All >of our efforts are focused on designing an interface that is musically >useful and intuitive. We wouldn't want to release something that gives >anyone a lesser experience with Loop. We'll continue to investigate this >possibility, but I'm not very positive about it. Being compatible with >every ancient midi pedal is not a task I relish! > >As far as when any future versions of Loop might be available, we don't >discuss that. Since we just released a major version a few months ago, you >might imagine that it won't be very soon, but we are always working on new >developments. > > >>Sounds like the midi note or continuous controller message for changing >>loops in echoplex may work for me?Not shure though,is anyone out there >>using a >>similar set up to mine with the echoplex?If so mabey you can let me know how >>this midi note/continouous controler thing works with your midi pedal.I >>really >>need to be able to jump from one function to the next with minimal tapping. > >I have a digitech PMC-10 pedal set up to do this, and it works very well. I >got the pedal for $100. > >> Any Oberheim dealers in my area?I live in Myrtle Beach S.C. ,anywhere in >>S.C.,N.C. or GA. would work.I would love to try one out.I'd probably >>order one >>right now if I knew I could access most functions(especially loops 1 thru 9) >>with the press of one button. > >You have to ask Oberheim about that..... > >kim > > >>Thanks for your help and patience, >>Brian McKenzie >> >> >>In a message dated 98-01-20 06:39:06 EST, you write: >> >><< And last is switching with midi. Unlike the JamMan, the echoplex is more >> like a sampler in this respect. It uses Midi Notes or Continuous Controller >> messages for changing loops. If you have the velocity parameter turned on, >> the Echoplex will use the velocity info in the note on message (or the >> value of the controller) to set the volume of the loop you switch to. You >> jump directly to the loop you want by pressing it's associated >> Note/controller number. (you can set which notes/controllers it uses for >> the loops.) >> > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun Jan 25 17:07:20 1998 >From kflint Sun Jan 25 11:18:58 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwXa2-0006T1-00; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:18:54 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980124212154.00ab3730@global.california.com> References: <01bd071d$565fb200$643163d1@user.texas.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: klaw@iglou.com Subject: Re: PMC-10 again Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:13:02 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"i0G-mB.A.esF.S74y0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2510 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:18:54 -0800 X-UIDL: b54cbf63e0723feb9d57e15d3797177b Status: O X-Status: Sean The programmer is the only ticket. Good luck on finding one . Ive had two of these & never had any crashes but that little box! Dont get me started.. Great unit shame no one needed the "advanced" functions according to DTech. Only other current option would be All Acess I guess. Good Luck in your search K LAW >PMC-10 owners, > >I've got an opportunity to pick up a PMC-10 with power supply BUT no remote >programmer. Is the hand-held device the only way to program it? Probably >no manual either. Can it be programmed via sysex? I saw a programmer for >a Digitech DSP256 - anyone ever try plugging it into the PMC-10? > >Thanks for any advice, >Sean From ???@??? Sun Jan 25 17:07:30 1998 >From kflint Sun Jan 25 16:29:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwcQa-0000QV-00; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:29:28 -0800 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 19:24:56 GMT Message-Id: <199801251924.TAA17224@phyleus.interlinx.qc.ca> X-Sender: erich@interlinx.qc.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: erich kory Subject: Re: ANYONE KNOW THE MIDI PEDAL SCHEME FOR THE ECHOPLEX? Resent-Message-ID: <"2h9EiD.A.qF.ef9y0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2514 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:29:28 -0800 X-UIDL: 8ffed88dc0f1e513533547e9705fac4c Status: O X-Status: I use the Ground Control MIDI foot controller and this same problem is the reason i have used my Jamman the last three years instead of the Echoplex. I have been waiting for this upgrade in hopes that i will finnally be able to jump from Loop 5 to Loop 2 (for example) with one push of my Ground Control. I can do this with the Jamman from Lexicon (a company not known for it's MIDI know-how). Using those 2 loopers and other effects,wah-wah,etc. have my feet already doing loop-de-loops, so i don't have enough floor space for the Echoplex footpedal, even if it did go directly to any loop. I'm waiting to see if the upgrade will make that happen........... erich kory At 06:36 PM 1/24/98 -0800, you wrote: >At 3:10 AM -0500 1/21/98, ENAT21213 wrote: >>Thanks for the quick reply Kim. >> The echoplex sounds way more complex than my jamman.Im thinking of >>investing in one?The only problem I have is this midi controller/echoplex >>pedalboard access loop 1 thru 9 tap thing. >> What I do is midi merge two ada mc1 midi pedal controllers together .This >>gives me access to all 19 of jammans loop functions without having to bank up >>and down.The ada mc1 has 10 buttons on the face of one pedalboard.So with the >>press of a button I can get around with ease (essential for me,especially >>live).I would love it if the echoplex would react in a similar way. > >The Echoplex (the technology we at Aurisis develop that runs the echoplex >is called Loop, btw) can react that way, but I suspect that your current >pedals either won't do it or won't do it in a satisfactory way. You might >want to consider upgrading to a more capable pedal, or get the pedal >designed for the echoplex. Again, I'm not familiar with the ADA pedal, but >I believe it is a very simple one. You can't expect it to do everything.... > >>I realize >>the echoplex does not accept midi program changes messages.You mentioned that >>this feature will be added in a future echoplex.Any idea when this version >>will be avalible? > >What I meant is we may add program change support to Loop for the purposes >of changing programs, which is the purpose of that midi command. So you >would be able to change from one setup to another by sending a program >change command, in the same way you change patches on a multi-effect or a >synth with program change messages. > >Using program change messages for executing functions on the echoplex is >problematic, for one thing because it would interfere with us using it for >the intended purpose defined in the midi standard of changing programs. >Another reason is that a midi program change message simply contains less >information than note and continuous control messages. We use all of the >information in the later types to make the midi interface more elegant and >musically intuitive, while allowing you to control more things with fewer >buttons. Changing the interface to work with program change messages makes >it less intuitive and harder to use, and some functions won't be available >at all. And that's opposed to our general design philosophy for Loop. All >of our efforts are focused on designing an interface that is musically >useful and intuitive. We wouldn't want to release something that gives >anyone a lesser experience with Loop. We'll continue to investigate this >possibility, but I'm not very positive about it. Being compatible with >every ancient midi pedal is not a task I relish! > >As far as when any future versions of Loop might be available, we don't >discuss that. Since we just released a major version a few months ago, you >might imagine that it won't be very soon, but we are always working on new >developments. > > >>Sounds like the midi note or continuous controller message for changing >>loops in echoplex may work for me?Not shure though,is anyone out there using a >>similar set up to mine with the echoplex?If so mabey you can let me know how >>this midi note/continouous controler thing works with your midi pedal.I really >>need to be able to jump from one function to the next with minimal tapping. > >I have a digitech PMC-10 pedal set up to do this, and it works very well. I >got the pedal for $100. > >> Any Oberheim dealers in my area?I live in Myrtle Beach S.C. ,anywhere in >>S.C.,N.C. or GA. would work.I would love to try one out.I'd probably order one >>right now if I knew I could access most functions(especially loops 1 thru 9) >>with the press of one button. > >You have to ask Oberheim about that..... > >kim > > >>Thanks for your help and patience, >>Brian McKenzie >> >> >>In a message dated 98-01-20 06:39:06 EST, you write: >> >><< And last is switching with midi. Unlike the JamMan, the echoplex is more >> like a sampler in this respect. It uses Midi Notes or Continuous Controller >> messages for changing loops. If you have the velocity parameter turned on, >> the Echoplex will use the velocity info in the note on message (or the >> value of the controller) to set the volume of the loop you switch to. You >> jump directly to the loop you want by pressing it's associated >> Note/controller number. (you can set which notes/controllers it uses for >> the loops.) >> > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > > From ???@??? Sun Jan 25 17:07:21 1998 >From kflint Sun Jan 25 13:08:48 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwZIM-00050T-00; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:08:46 -0800 From: "Randy Jones" To: Subject: Re: RE:Time for digitech machine page Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:59:46 -0600 Message-ID: <01bd29d4$2abee100$283163d1@user.texas.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"SGqaqC.A.5OE.3g6y0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2511 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:08:46 -0800 X-UIDL: 44b8cf506b8e211c5572fe59691c8a74 Status: O X-Status: Yes, speaking for EVERYONE, send us the Pixs of the GF Tweaking!!! Randy Jones -----Original Message----- From: CORROSIVE@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 10:55 PM Subject: Re: RE:Time for digitech machine page >oh yeah... if you want, I'd be glad to provide pictures of my really cute >girlfriend twiddling PDS-8000 knobs... or tweaking pretty much any Electro >Harmonix effect ( except the attack decay- still fishin for 1 of them) > > From ???@??? Sun Jan 25 17:07:27 1998 >From kflint Sun Jan 25 14:54:37 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwawl-0003D4-00; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:54:35 -0800 Message-ID: <34CBC41D.575B0872@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 18:00:46 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: praxis (ws some torn rec. CDs) References: <1fe46a04.34cb735d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZyiOpD.A.ZlC.BF8y0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2512 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:54:35 -0800 X-UIDL: d583d663caacdc8d48149e5a74bb003d Status: O X-Status: Buckets got a new website at; http://www.bucketheadland.com/index.html Jeff TritoneDW wrote: > Another plug for Buckethead (and the whole Laswell contingent). Just great > guitar playing. The Laswell projects can be pretty hit and miss, but there's > always something good in there somewhere. > > Buckethead did an ambient album under the name Death Cube K (it's an anagram > for Buckethead--cute huh?) a few years ago. I'm not sure if it's loop > based--haven't heard it since I picked up my JamPig. Anyway, it was also > produced by Laswell. It's filled with dark textures and such. Some of you may > want to check it out. Buckethead fans beware, though--I don't think there's a > single solo on the whole disc. > > Drew Wheeler From ???@??? Sun Jan 25 17:07:28 1998 >From kflint Sun Jan 25 15:36:33 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwbbM-0005bQ-00; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:36:32 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980125153329.006aaf74@mail.imagina.com> X-Sender: ngold@mail.imagina.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:33:29 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Neil Goldstein Subject: Kundun Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"eamELD.A.O5E.kt8y0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2513 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:36:32 -0800 X-UIDL: f31e1a749854fd5c9e826fe576d6d85c Status: O X-Status: Just saw Scorsese's film on the Dalai Lama, Kundun. Fantastic work, important document. Generous looping through much of this powerful and evocative film c/o Philip Glass' music. As I was watching this film, some parts resembling the great Konyaskatsii (sp?) I realized that like it or not, my first exposure to looping as a compositional idiom was via Glass music. Hat's off. From ???@??? Sun Jan 25 17:07:32 1998 >From kflint Sun Jan 25 16:57:08 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwcrK-0002Cz-00; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:57:06 -0800 Message-ID: <001401bd29f4$a72c4fa0$4623dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: Kundun Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:52:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"FDzpkC.A.vkB.M59y0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2515 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:57:06 -0800 X-UIDL: ea6cebbe524138e6454e500918e66a5d Status: O X-Status: Neil Goldstein mentioned: >Generous looping through much of this powerful and evocative film c/o >Philip Glass' music. > >As I was watching this film, some parts resembling the great Konyaskatsii >(sp?) I realized that like it or not, my first exposure to looping as a >compositional idiom was via Glass music. I saw a marvelous interview that Scorsese did lately on Charlie Rose (PBS), where he talked about the music. He'd first been exposed to Philip Glass' work via Koyaaniskatsi (1982?), a film so beautiful as to bring tears to the eyes - oh, for the letterbox version! There was a sequel, by the way, called Powaaniskatsi (the Hopi word apparently describing the assumption of power through consumption); the music is more world-oriented, but still Glass. I first encountered his work some years after being exposed to Fripp/Eno/Cage et. al. in the mid-70s; I went to a benefit for the Kitchen in NYC, which billed (amongst others) DNA, David Byrne, a video installation (On Land, actually) by Brian Eno, and the Philip Glass Ensemble. The benefit was held in Bond's, an old clothing store-turned-club, and there were so many celebs (in terms of the New Music scene and others) I couldn't help but notice the absence of Mr.'s Fripp or Eno, for that matter. (I think the League of Gentlemen was touring then, anyhoo). Anyway! I needed to point out something about Philip Glass' music with respect to looping. The only looping is from the compositional standpoint, and not because of any technology. To see an orchestra play his work is something else, I imagine - the Ensemble alone looked like they shed quite a lot of sweat at the Kitchen, Mr.. Glass playing keyboards also, and conducting using accentuated nods of his head, which sported a bushy cloud of hair (then). They were playing it all, man. However, it Wasn't IMHO 'looping' as most of us on this list know it. More like a compositional 'repeat', but then I know not much of music composition in the parochial-classical sense. :) Anyone? Is 'repeat' the correct musical term? I *know* it's not 'loop'. :) Stephen Goodman * Download The Loop Of The Week and more! 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Mon Jan 26 02:06:49 1998 >From kflint Sun Jan 25 21:20:13 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwgxv-0001Jp-00; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 21:20:11 -0800 From: Marzzz Message-ID: <292fb2bb.34cc1b0e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:11:40 EST To: sgoodman@earthlight.net, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Kundun Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"6mkBJD.A.Km.5tBz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2516 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 21:20:11 -0800 X-UIDL: cff18225b734f53cf435be5aa6aaa501 Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 1/25/98 6:56:18 PM, you wrote: >Anyway! I needed to point out something about Philip Glass' music with >respect to looping. The only looping is from the compositional standpoint, >and not because of any technology. To see an orchestra play his work is >something else, I imagine - the Ensemble alone looked like they shed quite a >lot of sweat at the Kitchen, Mr.. Glass playing keyboards also, and >conducting using accentuated nods of his head, which sported a bushy cloud >of hair (then). They were playing it all, man. However, it Wasn't IMHO >'looping' as most of us on this list know it. More like a compositional >'repeat', but then I know not much of music composition in the >parochial-classical sense. :) Anyone? Is 'repeat' the correct musical >term? I *know* it's not 'loop'. :) Yes, repeat is definitely a correct term here, though I have never actually seen a Glass score, he may have everything written out just to keep musicians from getting lost. I once saw a collection of small plays in the Body Politic Theatre in Chicago, one of which was called "Phillip Glass Buys a Loaf of Bread," in which the actors conversed in a looping, minimalist way (in a minimalist bakery with ONE loaf of bread) that interacted in an ever-shifting pattern....it is kind of hard to describe, but it BRILLIANTLY portrayed Glass' music in the form of "dialogue" and greatly shed light on how his music worked....and was amusing as hell!!! From ???@??? Mon Jan 26 02:06:52 1998 >From kflint Sun Jan 25 21:53:11 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwhTq-0003fk-00; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 21:53:10 -0800 From: ENAT21213 Message-ID: <4ecc34fb.34cc233a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:46:32 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: ANYONE KNOW THE MIDI PEDAL SCHEME FOR THE ECHOPLEX? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"RU5-CB.A.eFD.VOCz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2517 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 21:53:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 2c9358d0b90d73026451252d488b7cbd Status: O X-Status: Hello everyone, Thanks to Kim for his time and patience with me. How about if the echoplex pedalboard was designed to contain 9 extra buttons that would access loops 1 thru 9.I believe this would solve this tap up or down to get to a desired loop problem.You could have buttons 1 thru 9 on the top row and the record,undo ect. buttons on the bottom row(or vice versa)of the pedalboard.This would save alot of stage space.I really would love to get an echoplex but its looking like I will have to spend around $885 bucks(echoplex,pedalboard and a$100 for a midi pedal that will work) to get the echoplex to work for me the way I need it to.Or mabey you and Oberheim could design a program change friendly echoplex?Now this would be cool then I could use my ancient ada midi pedals.Till then I gess I'l keep looping with my jamman. Again thanks for your time and patience Brian McKenzie In a message dated 98-01-25 19:28:13 EST, << I use the Ground Control MIDI foot controller and this same problem is the reason i have used my Jamman the last three years instead of the Echoplex. I have been waiting for this upgrade in hopes that i will finnally be able to jump from Loop 5 to Loop 2 (for example) with one push of my Ground Control. I can do this with the Jamman from Lexicon (a company not known for it's MIDI know-how). >> From ???@??? Mon Jan 26 02:06:55 1998 >From kflint Sun Jan 25 23:12:04 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwiiA-0007lJ-00; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:12:02 -0800 From: TritoneDW Message-ID: <4f3e2abd.34cc364d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 02:07:55 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Kundun Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"rHi-MB.A.dBH.TZDz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2518 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:12:02 -0800 X-UIDL: a9d9c1606c0580ba53a30d135095bce9 Status: O X-Status: <> Ok, I'm sure I'm not the only "classically" trained musician here, but I'm the one who checked my e-mail three times today, so I guess I get first crack at the official explanation of all this stuff. Mr. Glass is what's called a Minimalist composer. Other famous Minimalists are Steve Reich (composed "Electric Counterpoint", performed by Pat Metheney) and John Adams (composed "The Death of Klinghoffer", and "Nixon in China", as well as the Minimalist landmark "In C"). The basic idea of Minimalism in music is to compose peices with a minimal amount of motivic material--just a couple little ideas, or hooks. The interest from the piece comes from the very gradual and subtle change introduced to the piece over time. (Make no mistake--these pieces are composed, there is no improvisation involved.) Glass, for example, tends to create change in his pieces through additive and subtractive processes--adding a note to a motive, or taking one away. (If this idea doesn't make sense in print, just listen to his music--you'll know what I mean.) Listening to these pieces is very much like watching clouds move across the sky, in a good way. Minimalism, by it's very nature, involves a LOT of repetition (repetition is certainly a viable term here). In this way it is sort of like looping. Certainly people who can listen to looped music and think it's interesting would probably relate to Minimalist work, at least on some level. The movies Koyaanisqatsi and Powaqatsi (I'm pretty sure on the spelling of the two) are excellent introductions to the work of Philip Glass, as there are really stunning visual accompaniments to the music. Other pieces to check out would be "In C" by John Adams (a piece in which several players play different little fragments of music in the key of C), and "Piano Phase" by Steve Reich. "Piano Phase" is pretty cool. Basically, two pianists play the same 12 note repeated pattern, starting in unison. One player then speeds up ever-so- slightly, until their pattern has shifted one note ahead of the other player's. This goes on until the faster player has come all the way around the pattern to play in unison again. You can imagine that it's pretty hard for the "steady" player to keep an even tempo. Anyway, the piece takes around twenty minutes to play all the way through, and it's really cool. When played well, you can hear all these crazy sub-patterns and cross rhythms in the "in between" parts. I've been trying to play it on guitar, with the old JamPig playing the steady, but the pattern is a bit un-guitaristic (poor me! I'll have to practice...). Drew W. From ???@??? Mon Jan 26 10:43:36 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 26 03:35:58 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwmpY-0002zY-00; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 03:35:56 -0800 X-Sender: kmistove@mail.eclipse.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4f3e2abd.34cc364d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 06:30:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ken Mistove Subject: Re: Kundun Resent-Message-ID: <"dpddzB.A.YjC.OPHz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2519 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 03:35:56 -0800 X-UIDL: 7f8784dbad1a00c396437a2e12983947 Status: O X-Status: Terry Riley is the composer of "In C", not John Adams. An excellent piece by Adams is "Light Over Water" composed for Brass and Synthesizer. >and John Adams (composed >"The Death of Klinghoffer", and "Nixon in China", as well as the Minimalist >landmark "In C"). Ken Ken Mistove kmistove@eclipse.net new stuff: http://www.geocities.com/~kenzak/ old stuff: http://www.eclipse.net/~kmistove/ From ???@??? Mon Jan 26 10:43:40 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 26 05:50:14 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwovV-0000ul-00; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 05:50:13 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Scott Johnson (CAN)" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Buckethead (was RE: praxis ) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:42:52 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"oYiSXC.A.Id.xLJz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2520 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 05:50:13 -0800 X-UIDL: b86ef2daa9d67237a877ada21512aee2 Status: O X-Status: > Buckethead did an ambient album under the name Death Cube K (it's an anagram > for Buckethead--cute huh?) a few years ago. He's got 2 albums under the Death Cube K persona (with Bill Laswell). They are certainly both excellent discs, but you must certainly be into that "dark", and "foreboding" type of ambient sound. It's actually something that Buckethead has always had a penchant for (I recall him toying with such textures on the original masters for _Bucketheadland_ years ago). Scott From ???@??? Mon Jan 26 15:10:12 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 26 11:10:53 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwtvc-00044L-00; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:10:40 -0800 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:53:49 GMT Message-Id: <199801261353.NAA15607@phyleus.interlinx.qc.ca> X-Sender: erich@interlinx.qc.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: erich kory Subject: RE: Lexicon not known for MIDI know-how?!? Resent-Message-ID: <"CVGaLD.A.PrC.k0Nz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2530 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:10:40 -0800 X-UIDL: 233caa1161b30e372b494d640910716e Status: O X-Status: I remember having a lot of trouble with the LXP1 and it's control module. Maybe that was just a fluke. There are things like Jamman not having a MIDI thru and not being able to choose which MIDI channel to use that bother me, in general though it works very well, sorry for the negative comments, it seems that every machine has it's faults and good points, i'm just tired of spending money on unfinished machines. ek At 11:06 AM 1/26/98 -0500, you wrote: >> erich kory wrote:"I can do this with the Jamman from Lexicon (a >> company not known for it's MIDI know-how)." >> > I am sorry erich but the Lexicon PCM70 was the first processor >to give you complete control over all of its functions! This feature >has been included in most of our processors since. I do not see how you >can justify your statement! > > Best regards, > > Greg Hogan > Lexicon Customer Service > Phone +781-280-0372 > FAX +781-280-0499 > > > From ???@??? Mon Jan 26 15:10:13 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 26 11:12:17 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwtwy-0004EO-00; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:12:04 -0800 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:58:25 GMT Message-Id: <199801261358.NAA15829@phyleus.interlinx.qc.ca> X-Sender: erich@interlinx.qc.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: erich kory Subject: RE: Lexicon not known for MIDI know-how?!? Resent-Message-ID: <"9UD83.A.SqC.c0Nz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2529 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:12:04 -0800 X-UIDL: eb5a9ef0e4731673a866ae88763009da Status: O X-Status: At 10:53 AM 1/26/98 -0800, you wrote: >At 11:06 AM -0500 1/26/98, Hogan, Greg (Exchange) wrote: >>> erich kory wrote:"I can do this with the Jamman from Lexicon (a >>> company not known for it's MIDI know-how)." >>> >> I am sorry erich but the Lexicon PCM70 was the first processor >>to give you complete control over all of its functions! This feature >>has been included in most of our processors since. I do not see how you >>can justify your statement! > >If you look at the midi manufacturer numbers, you'll see that Lexicon's is >in the first 10. They were using midi long before most..... > >kim > That must be why I can do next loop function with it. Anyway, I'm sure all you people working on these machines are doing the best you can. I don't mean to be mean, excuse me. From ???@??? Mon Jan 26 10:43:41 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 26 06:57:02 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwpy8-0002mM-00; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 06:57:00 -0800 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:50:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801261450.JAA22598@user1.channel1.com> X-Sender: seahorse@user1.channel1.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Frank Gerace Subject: Resent-Message-ID: <"1PagPB.A.WBC.yKKz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2521 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 06:57:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 96e61f17dcd9133e094ffdfb74c912ca Status: O X-Status: On Wednesday night, January 28th, at 9:00 PM at the Linwood Grille (69 Kilmarnock St. in the Fenway, Boston MA) The Vortex (a collective of Boston bands) presents an evening of dark psychedelia with Dreamchild Orifice Sabot Cover charge is $5 Dreamchild will be doing their atmospherics, somewhat ambient, melodic looper-enabled brand of music and welcome any from the lsit who can make it into the wilds of Boston. From ???@??? Mon Jan 26 10:43:48 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 26 07:42:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwqg9-000689-00; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 07:42:29 -0800 Message-ID: <34CCACD2.EA8AF8AE@mail.clt.bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:33:38 -0500 From: "Samuel D. Burns" Reply-To: usonian@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Kundun References: <4f3e2abd.34cc364d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PLVQ.A.-9E.I0Kz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2522 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 07:42:29 -0800 X-UIDL: 8b1d2cba46651cf4165a0759919b4f9b Status: O X-Status: Actually, Terry Riley composed "In C". TritoneDW wrote: > < respect to looping. The only looping is from the compositional standpoint, > and not because of any technology. To see an orchestra play his work is > something else, I imagine - the Ensemble alone looked like they shed quite a > lot of sweat at the Kitchen, Mr.. Glass playing keyboards also, and > conducting using accentuated nods of his head, which sported a bushy cloud > of hair (then). They were playing it all, man. However, it Wasn't IMHO > 'looping' as most of us on this list know it. More like a compositional > 'repeat', but then I know not much of music composition in the > parochial-classical sense. :) Anyone? Is 'repeat' the correct musical > term? I *know* it's not 'loop'. :)>> > > Ok, I'm sure I'm not the only "classically" trained musician here, but I'm the > one who checked my e-mail three times today, so I guess I get first crack at > the official explanation of all this stuff. Mr. Glass is what's called a > Minimalist composer. Other famous Minimalists are Steve Reich (composed > "Electric Counterpoint", performed by Pat Metheney) and John Adams (composed > "The Death of Klinghoffer", and "Nixon in China", as well as the Minimalist > landmark "In C"). > > The basic idea of Minimalism in music is to compose peices with a minimal > amount of motivic material--just a couple little ideas, or hooks. The interest > from the piece comes from the very gradual and subtle change introduced to the > piece over time. (Make no mistake--these pieces are composed, there is no > improvisation involved.) Glass, for example, tends to create change in his > pieces through additive and subtractive processes--adding a note to a motive, > or taking one away. (If this idea doesn't make sense in print, just listen to > his music--you'll know what I mean.) Listening to these pieces is very much > like watching clouds move across the sky, in a good way. > > Minimalism, by it's very nature, involves a LOT of repetition (repetition is > certainly a viable term here). In this way it is sort of like looping. > Certainly people who can listen to looped music and think it's interesting > would probably relate to Minimalist work, at least on some level. > > The movies Koyaanisqatsi and Powaqatsi (I'm pretty sure on the spelling of the > two) are excellent introductions to the work of Philip Glass, as there are > really stunning visual accompaniments to the music. Other pieces to check out > would be "In C" by John Adams (a piece in which several players play different > little fragments of music in the key of C), and "Piano Phase" by Steve Reich. > "Piano Phase" is pretty cool. Basically, two pianists play the same 12 note > repeated pattern, starting in unison. One player then speeds up ever-so- > slightly, until their pattern has shifted one note ahead of the other > player's. This goes on until the faster player has come all the way around the > pattern to play in unison again. You can imagine that it's pretty hard for the > "steady" player to keep an even tempo. Anyway, the piece takes around twenty > minutes to play all the way through, and it's really cool. When played well, > you can hear all these crazy sub-patterns and cross rhythms in the "in > between" parts. I've been trying to play it on guitar, with the old JamPig > playing the steady, but the pattern is a bit un-guitaristic (poor me! I'll > have to practice...). > > Drew W. From ???@??? Mon Jan 26 10:43:50 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 26 07:57:59 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwqv6-0007fJ-00; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 07:57:56 -0800 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C291F6B54@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: New to looping/processing Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:44:54 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"kE6om.A.GPG.nALz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2523 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 07:57:56 -0800 X-UIDL: 7b6396e2a23e8f948678663b8ca482f6 Status: O X-Status: > Michael asked: "Lex people, what are the feedback levels for Fade?" > Short fade=43%, medium fade=61%, and long fade=86%. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone +781-280-0372 FAX +781-280-0499 From ???@??? Mon Jan 26 10:43:49 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 26 07:56:48 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwqty-0007X6-00; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 07:56:46 -0800 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:48:56 -0600 (CST) Sender: Todd Madson From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Buckethead, Plex Sighting Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Ib2RcB.A.UZG.DCLz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2524 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 07:56:46 -0800 X-UIDL: 276ce6bfad5fa0491d5c4ed080a10f0e Status: O X-Status: Re: Death Cube K: it's very good, dark ambient stuff, almost quiet in a way. The tune "maggot dream" is even pretty, in a sort of doomy, ominous kind of way. He doesn't play wild stuff on this one, it's very reflective and introspective. Highly recommended for those who want this kind of thing. Also, got the latest Thoroughbred Music catalog in the mail and sure enough they have the Oberheim Echoplex and controller. Drool drool. I want. -Todd. From ???@??? Mon Jan 26 10:43:51 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 26 08:15:15 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwrBq-0001Wf-00; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:15:14 -0800 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C291F6B58@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Lexicon not known for MIDI know-how?!? Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:06:04 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"Ciac3D.A.f2.QULz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2525 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:15:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 48fefa7e90c287b044a2862ca01d5735 Status: O X-Status: > erich kory wrote:"I can do this with the Jamman from Lexicon (a > company not known for it's MIDI know-how)." > I am sorry erich but the Lexicon PCM70 was the first processor to give you complete control over all of its functions! This feature has been included in most of our processors since. I do not see how you can justify your statement! Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone +781-280-0372 FAX +781-280-0499 From ???@??? Mon Jan 26 10:43:52 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 26 08:47:23 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwrgt-0004ht-00; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:47:19 -0800 Message-ID: <005501bd2a78$b26be720$b3c8c80a@classonde.psbgm.qc.ca> From: "Claude Lassonde" To: Subject: Encyclopedia of musical links- is now located to: Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:37:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-Type: text/plain; boundary="----------------------------" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"-5eUqD.A.8hD.twLz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2526 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:47:19 -0800 X-UIDL: 2913df0d9a2f39de04c3f1877893cc21 Status: O X-Status: Sorry for the intrusion. Some of you had interests in my homepage in the past. The page -Encyclopedia of musical links- is now located to: http://members.tripod.com/~Lassonde/index.html Regards, Claude Lassonde From ???@??? Mon Jan 26 15:10:59 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 26 13:39:30 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwwFJ-0003R8-00; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:39:09 -0800 Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD014CBEE@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "Liebig, Steuart A." , "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Kundun Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:39:49 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"T9y3e.A.-EC.e-Pz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2531 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:39:09 -0800 X-UIDL: a22cd0a9bac61215c04c3ce7da16246c Status: O X-Status: Terry Riley, not John Adams, wrote in C. He and Lamont Young are considered to be the "fathers" of Minimalism. Other Minimalist composers would be Michael Nyman (English composer of the Piano score and scores for the films of Peter Greenaway) and Dutch composer (ready for the misspelling?) Lois Andriesson. steuart liebig > ---------- > From: TritoneDW > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 1998 11:12 PM > To: LiebigSA@maritz.com > Subject: Re: Kundun > > < with > respect to looping. The only looping is from the compositional > standpoint, > and not because of any technology. To see an orchestra play his work > is > something else, I imagine - the Ensemble alone looked like they shed > quite a > lot of sweat at the Kitchen, Mr.. Glass playing keyboards also, and > conducting using accentuated nods of his head, which sported a bushy > cloud > of hair (then). They were playing it all, man. However, it Wasn't > IMHO > 'looping' as most of us on this list know it. More like a > compositional > 'repeat', but then I know not much of music composition in the > parochial-classical sense. :) Anyone? Is 'repeat' the correct > musical > term? I *know* it's not 'loop'. :)>> > > Ok, I'm sure I'm not the only "classically" trained musician here, but > I'm the > one who checked my e-mail three times today, so I guess I get first > crack at > the official explanation of all this stuff. Mr. Glass is what's called > a > Minimalist composer. Other famous Minimalists are Steve Reich > (composed > "Electric Counterpoint", performed by Pat Metheney) and John Adams > (composed > "The Death of Klinghoffer", and "Nixon in China", as well as the > Minimalist > landmark "In C"). > > The basic idea of Minimalism in music is to compose peices with a > minimal > amount of motivic material--just a couple little ideas, or hooks. The > interest > from the piece comes from the very gradual and subtle change > introduced to the > piece over time. (Make no mistake--these pieces are composed, there is > no > improvisation involved.) Glass, for example, tends to create change in > his > pieces through additive and subtractive processes--adding a note to a > motive, > or taking one away. (If this idea doesn't make sense in print, just > listen to > his music--you'll know what I mean.) Listening to these pieces is very > much > like watching clouds move across the sky, in a good way. > > Minimalism, by it's very nature, involves a LOT of repetition > (repetition is > certainly a viable term here). In this way it is sort of like looping. > Certainly people who can listen to looped music and think it's > interesting > would probably relate to Minimalist work, at least on some level. > > The movies Koyaanisqatsi and Powaqatsi (I'm pretty sure on the > spelling of the > two) are excellent introductions to the work of Philip Glass, as there > are > really stunning visual accompaniments to the music. Other pieces to > check out > would be "In C" by John Adams (a piece in which several players play > different > little fragments of music in the key of C), and "Piano Phase" by Steve > Reich. > "Piano Phase" is pretty cool. Basically, two pianists play the same 12 > note > repeated pattern, starting in unison. One player then speeds up > ever-so- > slightly, until their pattern has shifted one note ahead of the other > player's. This goes on until the faster player has come all the way > around the > pattern to play in unison again. You can imagine that it's pretty hard > for the > "steady" player to keep an even tempo. Anyway, the piece takes around > twenty > minutes to play all the way through, and it's really cool. When played > well, > you can hear all these crazy sub-patterns and cross rhythms in the "in > between" parts. I've been trying to play it on guitar, with the old > JamPig > playing the steady, but the pattern is a bit un-guitaristic (poor me! > I'll > have to practice...). > > Drew W. > From ???@??? Mon Jan 26 10:43:59 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 26 10:37:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwtOz-0000Px-00; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:36:57 -0800 From: TritoneDW@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:24:16 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Kundun Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Resent-Message-ID: <"K7uu-D.A.MsG.nVNz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2527 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:36:57 -0800 X-UIDL: e124ee4f1d4e785e2098a3720c81bfdf Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 98-01-26 06:35:21 EST, you write: << Terry Riley is the composer of "In C", not John Adams >> Oops! You're absolutely right. Drew W. From ???@??? Mon Jan 26 15:10:10 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 26 11:04:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwtpR-0003Lg-00; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:04:17 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C291F6B58@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:53:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Lexicon not known for MIDI know-how?!? Resent-Message-ID: <"Jj-8M.A._CC.yuNz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2528 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:04:17 -0800 X-UIDL: cd87b3be00ca2857408424e1a65a34a1 Status: O X-Status: At 11:06 AM -0500 1/26/98, Hogan, Greg (Exchange) wrote: >> erich kory wrote:"I can do this with the Jamman from Lexicon (a >> company not known for it's MIDI know-how)." >> > I am sorry erich but the Lexicon PCM70 was the first processor >to give you complete control over all of its functions! This feature >has been included in most of our processors since. I do not see how you >can justify your statement! If you look at the midi manufacturer numbers, you'll see that Lexicon's is in the first 10. They were using midi long before most..... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon Jan 26 15:11:01 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 26 13:53:22 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwwSv-0004xU-00; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:53:13 -0800 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C291F6B6A@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Setting a MIDI channel on your JAMMAN. Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:07:09 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"FbR4dD.A.GcD.8LQz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2532 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:53:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 61f67c9ae8ae8fb4d2e69aaecc1e7ccc Status: O X-Status: Erich wrote:"I remember having a lot of trouble with the LXP1 and it's control module. Maybe that was just a fluke. There are things like Jamman not having a MIDI thru and not being able to choose which MIDI channel to use that bother me, in general though it works very well, sorry for the negative comments, it seems that every machine has it's faults and good points, i'm just tired of spending money on unfinished machines." As far as your problems with the LXP-1 and the MRC, I can't say that it was a fluke, but it must have been some type of failure on one of them. They do work together very well. The JAMMAN does not have MIDI THRU, I can't help you with that. You can change what MIDI channel it responds to as follows:Press and hold the RESET/BYPASS and FUNCTION buttons and turn the machine on. You will get a "d" in the display. Release the buttons and press and release the RESET/BYPASS button. You will now have a number in the display corresponding with the position of the MODE knob. Turn the mode knob until the display reads "15." Press and release the RESET/BYPASS button again and you will have a "1" in the display. Turn the SELECT knob to select the MIDI channel that you want the JAMMAN to respond to. Press and release the RESET/BYPASS button and turn the mode knob until you have "9" in the display. Press and release the RESET/BYPASS button one more time and normal operation will resume. This is explained on page 26 of the JAMMAN owners manual. Unfortunately the channel selection will not be stored when you power the machine down so you will have to do this each time you power the machine on. I hope this helps! Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone +781-280-0372 FAX +781-280-0499 From ???@??? Mon Jan 26 15:11:07 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 26 14:43:00 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwxEw-0002AK-00; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:42:50 -0800 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:26:36 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: Re: Kundun (and Steve Reich) Sender: R & T Cummings To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: <199801261726_MC2-30BC-E4E0@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"uoyeI.A.J6.a6Qz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2533 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:42:50 -0800 X-UIDL: b67d31a45b9bcc81f97b095fa3d08aed Status: O X-Status: Some interesting ideas with the minimal music approaches, I think. One of favorite pieces is Steve Reich's _Drumming_ which at 1 1/2 hours length involves "changes of phase position, pitch and timbre" (liner notes). In this piece they start on tuned bongos and gradually introduce voice, marimbas and glockenspiels while all basically using the same rhythmic figure (with gradual changes of relative phase). Another approach that he used on some pieces (e.g. _Six Pianos), was changing phase in discrete steps of eigths etc. combined with addition/ subtraction/ replacement of notes. This latter technique seems to me to be simpler and maybe a more feasible way of getting started (Although, I personally have not really tried this to any depth). Any of you have some ideas on these sorts of techniques, as applied to machine-aided looping. Machine-aided looping (especially the 95% echo feedback type of looping) basically uses similar concepts, doesn't it? Thanks for the posts in this direction - this induces some new (well, actually old - let's say recycled) ideas! From ???@??? Tue Jan 27 10:39:23 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 27 02:16:09 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwxtO-0005th-00; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:24:38 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4ecc34fb.34cc233a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:12:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: ANYONE KNOW THE MIDI PEDAL SCHEME FOR THE ECHOPLEX? Resent-Message-ID: <"YIN8pB.A.WhE.EiRz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2534 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:24:38 -0800 X-UIDL: d1c9150634015474c13a797bbb3f3785 Status: O X-Status: At 12:46 AM -0500 1/26/98, ENAT21213 wrote: >Hello everyone, > >Thanks to Kim for his time and patience with me. > >How about if the echoplex pedalboard was designed to contain 9 extra buttons >that would access loops 1 thru 9.I believe this would solve this tap up or >down to get to a desired loop problem. I'd really like to encourage you to try the way the echoplex interface does work, first. The tapping "problem" really isn't a problem at all when you are familiar with how it works. In some respects, it actually turns out to be far more powerful than the simple triggering method you are using now. And it uses a lot less stage area than you are currently using, which was a design goal for it. The whole point of that part of the interface design is to allow easy and reasonably fast access to any loop while only requiring one extra button instead of nine, basically to take care of people with situations like yours. This is possible because we can take advantage of the other switches, briefly giving them new functions when the user wants to switch loops. With the "confirm" mode on, you don't listen to the loops you don't want, you just go directly to the one you do. In my experience, I usually know what loop I'm going to in advance of when I actually need to switch, and I can usually have it ready to jump there in less than a second without really needing to concentrate on it much. Personally, I find this much better than having a whole other pedal taking up space in front of me, and I find it works just as well. The thing that makes it incredibly useable, which you can't do with simple triggering, is I can dictate what happens when I jump to the new loop. In addition to just playing the new loop, I can switch and have it immediately recording something new, or overdubbing onto an existing loop, or copying the loop I left into the new one while I add new things to it, or just copy the length of the previous one. All of this I can control very quickly, with a minimum of tapping. We did spend a huge amount of time thinking about this, trying it out, and bouncing the ideas of a lot of other musicians to make sure it would come out nicely. Again, I encourage you to first try the way it DOES work rather than trying to force it into a less useful model, and then make up your mind. >You could have buttons 1 thru 9 on the >top row and the record,undo ect. buttons on the bottom row(or vice versa)of >the pedalboard.This would save alot of stage space.I really would love to get >an echoplex but its looking like I will have to spend around $885 >bucks(echoplex,pedalboard and a$100 for a midi pedal that will work) to get >the echoplex to work for me the way I need it to. Well thanks for the suggestion, we do appreciate them and much of what we do is derived from feedback we get from users. This would make the pedal significantly larger and more expensive, which most people would not like very much. It also would not be compatible with the existing echoplex hardware and require some special cable. And unfortunately, Aurisis is a very small operation, and I'm afraid we simply don't have resources to devote towards making every old thing and every special circumstance work. Especially something that has a readily available solution and is only interesting to a small number of users. And since 99.999% of people who trigger loops do so with midi note commands sent to a sampler, there's not much motivation for us to break out of that midi interface model for something more limited than what we have. (the jamman is the only device I'm aware of that doesn't trigger loops in this way.) We would much prefer to spend our limited time and money developing new features that we hope people will find interesting, rather than endlessly testing and adjusting what we've got to make sure it works with everything that was made in the last 15 years! If you are really into triggering loops, I'd suggest you follow the crowd and find some way to send midi-note commands. That way you will not only be able to trigger loops on the echoplex, but other loop oriented devices you may decide to use, like samplers and such. You'll have a lot more versatility and options if you have more midi commands at your disposal, and if you are going to follow this direction, you will probably want to make this change at some point anyway. There are many controller devices you could choose from: keyboards, drum triggers, more sophisticated midi pedals, etc. As some consolation, the echoplex also supports use of continuous controller messages for loop triggering, in addition to its use of midi notes. >Or mabey you and Oberheim >could design a program change friendly echoplex?Now this would be cool then I >could use my ancient ada midi pedals.Till then I gess I'l keep looping with my >jamman. An Echoplex controlled by program change messages from two ADA pedals like you have it would not be able to do a lot of it's functions. An Echoplex controlled by a single simple program change pedal (like the DMC Ground Control) would do even less. Even worse to me, the interface which makes the Loop software elegant and simple to use disappears and it becomes much less musically intuitive. You really wouldn't have much reason to upgrade this setup to an Echoplex, since you wouldn't have access to many of the interesting advanced features in Loop and the musicality that people seem to enjoy so much would be less available. If we released a version of Loop that somehow made every feature in your Echoplex controllable by program change messages, you would need to add one or two more ADA pedals to use it! And that would be so impossible to use that you'd hardly find it satisfying. On the other hand, if you were to learn to use the echoplex's carefully designed pedal (or get one of several midi pedal that are capable of emulating it, or even build your own plex pedal, it's not hard) you would have one less pedal on stage than you do now and a much nicer musical experience.... This is a frustrating situation to deal with, because some people using looping devices have unfortunately been given the expectation that looping can be controlled via midi in a ridiculously simple fashion. As more powerful looping devices become available, this approach breaks down very quickly. What happens when there are 32 or 64 loops available instead of 9? And many more functions to use on them? And 128 different patches to select between? Do you still want to control that completely with a single midi command? It'll be impossible! Now, if you were to buy any synthesizer, or a sampler, or recording system with midi-based transport control, or even a very simple drum machine, you would never assume that it could be totally controlled by just midi program change messages. So why would you expect the echoplex or any other looping device to operate that way? Midi is a sort of language, and when you use a device that can only speak a very small subset of the words you have to accept that you can only communicate to other devices in a very limited fashion. It's as if someone were to open up your vocabulary and remove everything but the prepositions. No nouns, verbs, adjectives, adverbs, or even gerunds. Your ability to communicate with the world would then be impossibly limited, and you would not be able to do most of the things you can normally do. You wouldn't even be able to form thoughts about what you might do. That's the sort of box you would stick your echoplex in if you limit it completely to midi program change....I find that appalling, and would rather not disappoint people with something like that, which would be way below our standards for a good interface. That is why I remain unconvinced about the whole idea. (That and my opinion that this use would violate the midi standard's definition of program change.) My opinion is that we would rather not introduce it at all if it will just cause more inconsistencies and problems later. In this case, it will already cause a lot of conflicts with other features likely to be in the next versions of Loop based products. And for the versions after that, we would just have to remove it again, which would just be a bigger hassle than never introducing it in the first place. Our goal is to do what we can now to maintain consistency with the future, so that we don't end up with even worse legacy problems down the road. In this case, we will most probably be reserving midi program change for it's intended purpose of changing programs. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Jan 27 01:19:30 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 27 00:39:46 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xx6YV-0001yU-00; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:39:39 -0800 From: Anthony Bowyer-Lowe To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at post.mail.demon.net Subject: Re: Kundun Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:25:05 -0000 Message-ID: <01bd2ab1$a20a3d80$LocalHost@amudarya> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"VOBe1.A.4-.ysZz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2541 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:39:39 -0800 X-UIDL: f908ff121afc46afefde4dc260997602 Status: O X-Status: >I once saw a collection of small plays in the Body Politic Theatre in Chicago, >one of which was called "Phillip Glass Buys a Loaf of Bread," in which the >actors conversed in a looping, minimalist way (in a minimalist bakery with ONE >loaf of bread) that interacted in an ever-shifting pattern....it is kind of >hard to describe, but it BRILLIANTLY portrayed Glass' music in the form of >"dialogue" and greatly shed light on how his music worked....and was amusing >as hell!!! Sounds great! I often use operations from one system to create products in another system. People tend to look at me strange when I say things like 'Anagrams are maths are art are techno', though... Here's an example of techno in ascii art: X---X---X---X--o X---X---X---X--o X-x-X---X-x-X--o OovoOovoOovoOovo Possibly off-topic, but I have a strange suspicion other loopers are into patterns, and algorithmic _thinking_. In my mind the Lexicon Vortex is definitely an audio fractal generator. Cheers, ynohtnA. -- Anthony Bowyer-Lowe <= The Essence Of Anthony. http://www.amudarya.demon.co.uk/ (Updated: 01/98) From ???@??? Tue Jan 27 01:19:26 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 27 00:05:22 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwzNl-0003mo-00; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:00:05 -0800 Message-ID: <34CD1BA7.BBE3D7AB@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:26:31 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Kundun (and Steve Reich) References: <199801261726_MC2-30BC-E4E0@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QwUjXB.A.kvB.b3Sz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2535 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:00:05 -0800 X-UIDL: 6f017fed49fdb9126b45c10385ae7617 Status: O X-Status: Hey ya'll, R&T, or anybody, could you explain what gradual changes in phase means,I am going to look for Reich.It sounds cool and I have been wanting to do some looping with real and analog drums. thanks much,Jeff R & T Cummings wrote: > Some interesting ideas with the minimal music approaches, I think. > One of favorite pieces is Steve Reich's _Drumming_ which at > 1 1/2 hours length involves "changes of phase position, pitch and > timbre" (liner notes). In this piece they start on tuned bongos and > gradually introduce voice, marimbas and glockenspiels while all > basically using the same rhythmic figure (with gradual changes of > relative phase). Another approach that he used on some pieces (e.g. _Six > Pianos), was changing phase in discrete steps of eigths etc. combined > with addition/ subtraction/ replacement of notes. > > This latter technique seems to me to be simpler and maybe a more > feasible way of getting started (Although, I personally have not > really tried this to any depth). Any of you have some ideas on these > sorts of techniques, as applied to machine-aided looping. > Machine-aided looping (especially the 95% echo feedback type > of looping) basically uses similar concepts, doesn't it? > > Thanks for the posts in this direction - this induces some new (well, > actually old - let's say recycled) ideas! From ???@??? Mon Jan 26 20:55:39 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 26 17:36:39 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xwzws-0007ha-00; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:36:22 -0800 Message-ID: <34CD36D0.56E29B9C@mediaone.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:22:25 -0500 From: innerspace@mediaone.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-MOEMW (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: re:KUNDUN Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------62ED05461DEA1E9CF6737026" Resent-Message-ID: <"-0xxTD.A.P2F.ubTz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2536 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:36:22 -0800 X-UIDL: 0f8cc71d2ab56814353d60fe1170a2c7 Status: O X-Status:  
 
 

KunDun  is brilliant, isn't it....   incredibly vivid depiction of the Tibetan people and the hardships they've endured for the last 50 years... they shall succeed I think...
Glass gets loopy here too... to great effect... I don't if the music/sound from the film and the soundtrack were intended to work together so well, and/or whether or not it was glass' idea or scorcese's, but it blew me away... emo-tonal-overload..
 

Just saw Scorsese's film on the Dalai Lama, Kundun. Fantastic work,
important document.

Generous looping through much of this powerful and evocative film c/o

Philip Glass' music.

As I was watching this film, some parts resembling the great Konyaskatsii
(sp?) I realized that like it or not, my first exposure to looping as a
compositional idiom was via Glass music.

Hat's off. From ???@??? Mon Jan 26 22:40:11 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 26 20:41:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xx2p5-0000d3-00; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:40:31 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: klaw@iglou.com Subject: Re: ANYONE KNOW THE MIDI PEDAL SCHEME FOR THE ECHOPLEX? Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:16:33 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"igJPGC.A.I6G.lHWz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2537 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:40:31 -0800 X-UIDL: 99894c4405ddd6343fc1357735a836bf Status: O X-Status: Hello everyone . Top o the day to ya. Regarding switching loops with ccs : How is this done? I thought the ccs were feedback, vol. I switch with note ons did I miss something? Also perhaps a question for KIm : Is it possible with current hardware on plex to reset loops to startpoint when using nxtloop? This has always seemed so logical& musical.If I have a number of loops in a piece I need them to start at the beginning when I switch rather than run continously. I supose it would have its uses in a random sort of way but its not very predictable. Maybe have a option to reset or run like in mute mode.BTW thanks Kim for your ideas on the quantize function. I finally found a use for this!Works excellent in V5.0. Also little tid bit for those interesed : Long delay module(on sampling board) in Eventide 4000 does not change pitch when adjusting delay range only lenghth>effectively performing a real time time compression looping function. Very wild. Still working on that page Kim. I have much to report. Cheers K Law >At 3:10 AM -0500 1/21/98, ENAT21213 wrote: >>Thanks for the quick reply Kim. >> The echoplex sounds way more complex than my jamman.Im thinking of >>investing in one?The only problem I have is this midi controller/echoplex >>pedalboard access loop 1 thru 9 tap thing. >> What I do is midi merge two ada mc1 midi pedal controllers together .This >>gives me access to all 19 of jammans loop functions without having to bank up >>and down.The ada mc1 has 10 buttons on the face of one pedalboard.So with the >>press of a button I can get around with ease (essential for me,especially >>live).I would love it if the echoplex would react in a similar way. > >The Echoplex (the technology we at Aurisis develop that runs the echoplex >is called Loop, btw) can react that way, but I suspect that your current >pedals either won't do it or won't do it in a satisfactory way. You might >want to consider upgrading to a more capable pedal, or get the pedal >designed for the echoplex. Again, I'm not familiar with the ADA pedal, but >I believe it is a very simple one. You can't expect it to do everything.... > >>I realize >>the echoplex does not accept midi program changes messages.You mentioned that >>this feature will be added in a future echoplex.Any idea when this version >>will be avalible? > >What I meant is we may add program change support to Loop for the purposes >of changing programs, which is the purpose of that midi command. So you >would be able to change from one setup to another by sending a program >change command, in the same way you change patches on a multi-effect or a >synth with program change messages. > >Using program change messages for executing functions on the echoplex is >problematic, for one thing because it would interfere with us using it for >the intended purpose defined in the midi standard of changing programs. >Another reason is that a midi program change message simply contains less >information than note and continuous control messages. We use all of the >information in the later types to make the midi interface more elegant and >musically intuitive, while allowing you to control more things with fewer >buttons. Changing the interface to work with program change messages makes >it less intuitive and harder to use, and some functions won't be available >at all. And that's opposed to our general design philosophy for Loop. All >of our efforts are focused on designing an interface that is musically >useful and intuitive. We wouldn't want to release something that gives >anyone a lesser experience with Loop. We'll continue to investigate this >possibility, but I'm not very positive about it. Being compatible with >every ancient midi pedal is not a task I relish! > >As far as when any future versions of Loop might be available, we don't >discuss that. Since we just released a major version a few months ago, you >might imagine that it won't be very soon, but we are always working on new >developments. > > >>Sounds like the midi note or continuous controller message for changing >>loops in echoplex may work for me?Not shure though,is anyone out there >>using a >>similar set up to mine with the echoplex?If so mabey you can let me know how >>this midi note/continouous controler thing works with your midi pedal.I >>really >>need to be able to jump from one function to the next with minimal tapping. > >I have a digitech PMC-10 pedal set up to do this, and it works very well. I >got the pedal for $100. > >> Any Oberheim dealers in my area?I live in Myrtle Beach S.C. ,anywhere in >>S.C.,N.C. or GA. would work.I would love to try one out.I'd probably >>order one >>right now if I knew I could access most functions(especially loops 1 thru 9) >>with the press of one button. > >You have to ask Oberheim about that..... > >kim > > >>Thanks for your help and patience, >>Brian McKenzie >> >> >>In a message dated 98-01-20 06:39:06 EST, you write: >> >><< And last is switching with midi. Unlike the JamMan, the echoplex is more >> like a sampler in this respect. It uses Midi Notes or Continuous Controller >> messages for changing loops. If you have the velocity parameter turned on, >> the Echoplex will use the velocity info in the note on message (or the >> value of the controller) to set the volume of the loop you switch to. You >> jump directly to the loop you want by pressing it's associated >> Note/controller number. (you can set which notes/controllers it uses for >> the loops.) >> > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon Jan 26 22:40:21 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 26 22:07:51 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xx4Ay-0003bk-00; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:07:12 -0800 Message-ID: <34CD51A3.2C7F2F79@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:16:51 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: KUNDUN References: <34CD36D0.56E29B9C@mediaone.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------E746305DFDA2168C59B48CFC" Resent-Message-ID: <"llLqN.A.rUB.FTXz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2539 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:07:12 -0800 X-UIDL: c11f1ca722c6355570a75ec683b7a768 Status: O X-Status:  (Georges Dupuis)

What was the hardest thing to determine in the vinyl era?
Whether a Brian Eno LP was warped or whether a Philip Glass LP was skipping.

I just checked out The Glass Pages,Alot of various audio,some of which doesn't
work but alot does.I had never listened to him except now I realize that I have heard him .Varied,but all in a style of his own.I dug the ram of 1001 airplanes but it seems to be an incomplete file.
Thanks for the tip,
Jeff

innerspace@mediaone.net wrote:

 
 
 

KunDun  is brilliant, isn't it....   incredibly vivid depiction of the Tibetan people and the hardships they've endured for the last 50 years... they shall succeed I think...
Glass gets loopy here too... to great effect... I don't if the music/sound from the film and the soundtrack were intended to work together so well, and/or whether or not it was glass' idea or scorcese's, but it blew me away... emo-tonal-overload..
 

Just saw Scorsese's film on the Dalai Lama, Kundun. Fantastic work,
important document.

Generous looping through much of this powerful and evocative film c/o

Philip Glass' music.

As I was watching this film, some parts resembling the great Konyaskatsii
(sp?) I realized that like it or not, my first exposure to looping as a
compositional idiom was via Glass music.

Hat's off.

  From ???@??? Mon Jan 26 22:40:20 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 26 22:05:41 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xx493-0003P6-00; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:05:13 -0800 Message-ID: <34CD5246.F6890FB7@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:19:34 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: KUNDUN References: <34CD36D0.56E29B9C@mediaone.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------67377974919696781990E528" Resent-Message-ID: <"nDjSYB.A.s_.yPXz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2538 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:05:13 -0800 X-UIDL: 226d3f42424a75cd71c07c579b011cd0 Status: O X-Status: By the way,It's at ; http://www.uni-paderborn.de/~pg/glass.html

innerspace@mediaone.net wrote:

 
 
 

KunDun  is brilliant, isn't it....   incredibly vivid depiction of the Tibetan people and the hardships they've endured for the last 50 years... they shall succeed I think...
Glass gets loopy here too... to great effect... I don't if the music/sound from the film and the soundtrack were intended to work together so well, and/or whether or not it was glass' idea or scorcese's, but it blew me away... emo-tonal-overload..
 

Just saw Scorsese's film on the Dalai Lama, Kundun. Fantastic work,
important document.

Generous looping through much of this powerful and evocative film c/o

Philip Glass' music.

As I was watching this film, some parts resembling the great Konyaskatsii
(sp?) I realized that like it or not, my first exposure to looping as a
compositional idiom was via Glass music.

Hat's off.

  From ???@??? Tue Jan 27 10:39:35 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 27 04:14:22 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xx9uB-0000ZF-00; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 04:14:15 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 06:28:23 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: looper meeting at NAMM Resent-Message-ID: <"PwFlkD.A.S0G.l0cz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2543 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 04:14:15 -0800 X-UIDL: d1604056e77f6b023168a54c5cb21238 Status: O X-Status: >Hey those of you going to NAMM, > >how bout we try to get together for a little Looper Convention/Lunch at the >show? I'll propose a time: > Hey Kim, Great idea. The boys from Fingerpaint would love to meet up with everyone, but alas the realities of day jobs on the East Coast makes that not very probable. Have a great time and let us know what's out there. Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Mon Jan 26 23:30:34 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 26 23:14:18 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xx5DX-0001wS-00; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:13:55 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:05:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: looper meeting at NAMM Resent-Message-ID: <"ke_UL.A.PFB.9cYz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2540 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:13:55 -0800 X-UIDL: 31b5ab7b7e914ebab6657c7c96ac891e Status: O X-Status: Hey those of you going to NAMM, how bout we try to get together for a little Looper Convention/Lunch at the show? I'll propose a time: saturday (jan 31), 1:00pm at the Oberheim booth, for lack of a better idea. Hopefully there is a place with edible food somewhere nearby. see you then..... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Jan 27 10:39:25 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 27 02:44:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xx8Um-00073P-00; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 02:43:56 -0800 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 05:33:25 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: Re: Steve Reich, phase changes etc. Sender: R & T Cummings To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: <199801270534_MC2-30C8-5F91@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"IGKkZD.A.czF.8hbz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2542 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 02:43:56 -0800 X-UIDL: 56a222dae7e596022a002e170bf423ed Status: O X-Status: There is a cool way of doing this (gradual phase changes) with a drum machine and a looper. Connect the drum machine to the looper and MIDI sync them together with the drum machine being the master. Record a loop of the drum machine groove and keep the drum machine groove on. Next there are two ways of hearing a gradual phase change: 1) Disconnect the MIDI sync and one of the two machines will inevitable speed up or slow down 2) Disconnect the MIDI and increase or decrease the drum machine tempo by a very small amount (e.g. from 90 to 91 or whatever) Last of all, sit back and listen to the phase changes - hate to admit it but I've done this for hours - automatic minimal music! BTW, this is more or less based on the technique used by Reich on the _It's Gonna Rain_ Talk to ya later, Rob Jeff Duke Sr. wrote: >Hey ya'll, >R&T, or anybody, could you explain what gradual changes in phase means,I am >going to look for Reich.It sounds cool and I have been wanting to do some >looping with real and analog drums. >thanks much,Jeff >R & T Cummings wrote: >> Some interesting ideas with the minimal music approaches, I think. >> One of favorite pieces is Steve Reich's _Drumming_ which at >> 1 1/2 hours length involves "changes of phase position, pitch and >> timbre" (liner notes). In this piece they start on tuned bongos and >> gradually introduce voice, marimbas and glockenspiels while all >> basically using the same rhythmic figure (with gradual changes of >> relative phase). Another approach that he used on some pieces (e.g. _Six >> Pianos), was changing phase in discrete steps of eigths etc. combined >> with addition/ subtraction/ replacement of notes. From ???@??? Tue Jan 27 10:39:50 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 27 08:09:14 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxDZX-00018Q-00; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:09:11 -0800 Message-Id: <98Jan27.095809cst.26881@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:00:44 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Re: looper meeting at NAMM In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"EGaV7B.A.HJ.jRgz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2544 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:09:11 -0800 X-UIDL: e5c07b837e0f6fd26444e7fdcbdef6f4 Status: O X-Status: Kim and NAMMers- Oberheim will be in Room 402 or 401 on the 2nd floor in the Gibson room. All are welcome, and I'm sure there will be tasty NAMM hotdogs (aka Sliders) nearby! Tom At 01:05 AM 1/27/98 -0600, you wrote: >Hey those of you going to NAMM, > >how bout we try to get together for a little Looper Convention/Lunch at the >show? I'll propose a time: > >saturday (jan 31), 1:00pm >at the Oberheim booth, for lack of a better idea. Hopefully there is a >place with edible food somewhere nearby. > >see you then..... > >kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > > > From ???@??? Tue Jan 27 10:39:56 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 27 08:23:57 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxDnm-0002bc-00; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:23:54 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:09:30 -0800 Message-ID: <0007F000.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Lexicon not known for MIDI know-how?!? To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" , Mike.Biffle@wj.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"KykEZB.A.7cB.Jfgz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2545 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:23:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 17beb9ef6657c05ebbde6589fe6e65e3 Status: O X-Status: It's been my experience that given the price point of the LXP series as well as the JamMan and Vortex, that you could 1. Design the unit for maximum sound quality and provide a deviously simple but useful function set... then implement the most simple software and hardware possible. 2. Cut corners on sound quality and funcions available and place emphasis on flashy graphics and a more robust midi implementation. I'm not sure I accurately describe or do justice to the two various approaches, but I'll say this. I'll take my Lexies over most of the other products out there. (An EDP would be nice parsley for my musical salad.) Also... As you climb in price, Lexicon products become very full featured and capable as well as musically stunning! Just my .02 dollars worth, -Miko >> erich kory wrote:"I can do this with the Jamman from Lexicon (a >> company not known for it's MIDI know-how)." >> Greg Hogan replied... > I am sorry erich but the Lexicon PCM70 was the first processor >to give you complete control over all of its functions! This feature >has been included in most of our processors since. I do not see how you >can justify your statement! > Best regards, > Greg Hogan > Lexicon Customer Service > Phone +781-280-0372 > FAX +781-280-0499 From ???@??? Wed Jan 28 10:06:33 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 27 23:20:42 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxRnG-000372-00; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:20:18 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:22:17 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Vortex FS Resent-Message-ID: <"md4N8D.A.ihG.kKtz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2559 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:20:18 -0800 X-UIDL: f55391d0599bf146dd3c9edf682aeaf4 Status: O X-Status: Hey Gearheads, Here's one off of rec.music.makers.market for ya.... >Lexicon Vortex Effects Processor for sale ($175 including foot switch and >manual). Also, Sunrise Pickup for acoustic instruments for sale ($150). >E-Mail serious inquiries to MEHAMRICK@AOL.COM. Good luck , Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Tue Jan 27 10:40:05 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 27 09:44:44 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxF3P-0002zZ-00; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:44:07 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: <9439f366.34ce1919@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:27:52 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: The LoOpDoctOrs suggest worthy Looping device candidates Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"wfSJfD.A.tWB.2lhz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2546 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:44:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 33f6ff001efa10011999c6872fb19c40 Status: O X-Status: Dear Loopers: We saw the group Oregon last night. We are in awe. One thing, they could all use a really great looper to expand some sonic possibilities. Has any company ever thought about just sending them something interesting in the mail? We know where they are for the next two weeks. Best, the LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Tue Jan 27 10:40:09 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 27 10:06:40 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxFP3-0005KS-00; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:06:29 -0800 From: ENAT21213 Message-ID: <2535b7f1.34ce1b1a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:36:25 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: ANYONE KNOW THE MIDI PEDAL SCHEME FOR THE ECHOPLEX? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"3yT-h.A.pID.s2hz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2547 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:06:29 -0800 X-UIDL: b9a1336509e213429e7fdec73a94c369 Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 98-01-27 05:22:02 EST, you write: << I'd really like to encourage you to try the way the echoplex interface does work, first. The tapping "problem" really isn't a problem at all when you are familiar with how it works. >> Kim, I will definitely try the echoplex out on my next trip to Atlanta. Thanks for your time, Brian McKenzie From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:55:57 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 19:22:43 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyTVv-0004Lp-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:22:39 -0800 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:10:10 -0500 (EST) From: daniel Message-Id: <199801271810.NAA29655@nico.bway.net> TO: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: test Resent-Message-ID: <"tu-SXB.A.ahC.QYp00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2620 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:22:39 -0800 X-UIDL: 74f5ecb8ce50ebcf48b67dd754bbb753 Status: O X-Status: test From ???@??? Tue Jan 27 10:40:10 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 27 10:22:21 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxFeG-00074N-00; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:22:12 -0800 Message-Id: <98Jan27.120900cst.26881@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:11:39 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Re: The LoOpDoctOrs suggest worthy Looping device candidates In-Reply-To: <9439f366.34ce1919@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"dBMN-.A.6ZF.VMiz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2548 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:22:12 -0800 X-UIDL: 23d8e3efbce46fbe89dd88a79f099310 Status: O X-Status: Rx of Loop- Can't afford to be giving away the Loop John B, but an old spicy word in the ear of an Oregon-o to call me in Nashville at 800-777-0795 ext. 527 would be appreciated. Tom "On my way again to Gomorrahritaville, lookin' for my pillar of salt" Spaulding At 11:27 AM 1/27/98 -0600, you wrote: >Dear Loopers: > >We saw the group Oregon last night. We are in awe. > >One thing, they could all use a really great looper to expand some sonic >possibilities. Has any company ever thought about just sending them something >interesting in the mail? We know where they are for the next two weeks. > >Best, >the LoOpDoctOrs > > > From ???@??? Tue Jan 27 20:37:56 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 27 11:49:51 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxH12-0007N7-00; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:49:48 -0800 Message-ID: <34CE2BE4.5F7C@bgnet.bgsu.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:48:04 -0500 From: Jeff Schwartz X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: craft project References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OsXvbD.A.8uF.gajz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2549 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:49:48 -0800 X-UIDL: e637d51447a0dadc4b20c09c2608b284 Status: O X-Status: Hey kids, If you're like me, you have a big swarm of strange cables running from your pedalboard to your rack. I don't mean the usual pedalboard action where the signal goes in one end and out the other, but the kind where you have footswitches and controllers for a bunch of rack gizmos. For example, I have three footswitches and a pedal for my Jamster & Vortex (side note-how long do you think it'll be before these suckers go up so much in price that I'll be afraid to take 'em to the gig, like a flametop Les Paul?) and a footswitch for a ProCo R2DU (two Rats in a 1 rack space box), in other words, four 1/4" stereo cables and 1 MIDI cable. I carry my crap around in a soft rack case, tossing the pedals and cables in the back, since all the devices are quite shallow. Needless to say, I had a considerable spaghetti problem. So, I decided to build my own snake. After a variety of tape/twist-tie configurations failed, I got $.50 of fabric at Ben Franklin and spent an afternoon sewing and listening to Paul Bley albums. I made a tube 7.5'x 1.5" and threaded my cables through it. Presto-quick and tidy setup and teardown. I suppose this little invention won't catch on because it's getting easier and easier to get one big controller that can run all your stuff or one gadget that does everything and then some (G-Force? Eventide? Powerbook with MAX?), but I figured I'd share my Martha Stewart moment with y'all. Oh yeah, under no circumstances read Mark Vail's Vintage Synthesizers book. It's worse than pornography. I was filled with an unstoppable violent lust for gear. Fortunately for my finances, the only used gear store in town is full of Samick guitars and Peavey amps cast off by frustrated post-grunge teenage boys... -- Jeff Schwartz jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html From ???@??? Wed Jan 28 10:06:55 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 28 02:52:58 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxH12-0007N7-00; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:49:48 -0800 Message-ID: <34CE2BE4.5F7C@bgnet.bgsu.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:48:04 -0500 From: Jeff Schwartz X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: craft project References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OsXvbD.A.8uF.gajz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2549 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:49:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 7d68f920d3d8b65ae41aa2632f190dcd Status: O X-Status: Hey kids, If you're like me, you have a big swarm of strange cables running from your pedalboard to your rack. I don't mean the usual pedalboard action where the signal goes in one end and out the other, but the kind where you have footswitches and controllers for a bunch of rack gizmos. For example, I have three footswitches and a pedal for my Jamster & Vortex (side note-how long do you think it'll be before these suckers go up so much in price that I'll be afraid to take 'em to the gig, like a flametop Les Paul?) and a footswitch for a ProCo R2DU (two Rats in a 1 rack space box), in other words, four 1/4" stereo cables and 1 MIDI cable. I carry my crap around in a soft rack case, tossing the pedals and cables in the back, since all the devices are quite shallow. Needless to say, I had a considerable spaghetti problem. So, I decided to build my own snake. After a variety of tape/twist-tie configurations failed, I got $.50 of fabric at Ben Franklin and spent an afternoon sewing and listening to Paul Bley albums. I made a tube 7.5'x 1.5" and threaded my cables through it. Presto-quick and tidy setup and teardown. I suppose this little invention won't catch on because it's getting easier and easier to get one big controller that can run all your stuff or one gadget that does everything and then some (G-Force? Eventide? Powerbook with MAX?), but I figured I'd share my Martha Stewart moment with y'all. Oh yeah, under no circumstances read Mark Vail's Vintage Synthesizers book. It's worse than pornography. I was filled with an unstoppable violent lust for gear. Fortunately for my finances, the only used gear store in town is full of Samick guitars and Peavey amps cast off by frustrated post-grunge teenage boys... -- Jeff Schwartz jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html From ???@??? Wed Jan 28 10:06:44 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 28 01:37:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxTvu-0007Zn-00; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:37:22 -0800 Message-Id: <199801280054.QAA27824@scv2.apple.com> Subject: Re: craft project Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 18:55:25 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"FsJlSC.A.GUG.bpvz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2562 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:37:22 -0800 X-UIDL: c7275b3225de675b7add3ac7a3b51e2f Status: O X-Status: >By the way, MIDI Solutions will reportedly be shipping the R8 in >February--it's a 1U rack-mounted midi-controlled giz with eight relays that >open and close eight 1/4" jacks. Thus, you can control stuff that uses a >1/4" phone-plug footswitch via midi. (http://www.midisolutions.com). That >might be a solution to rack spaghetti for some of us. (I want one for my >Mesa/Boogie V-Twin, and there'll still be two jacks left over to run, like, >the fog machine and the disco ball...) I've been using the Rockman MIDI Octopus for that. I've got two, they're half-rack units, really easy to use. They're out of production, but they're easy to find used for under $100. And no wall-wart. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Tue Jan 27 20:38:15 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 27 17:07:32 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxLxZ-00064Y-00; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:06:33 -0800 Message-Id: <199801272038.NAA19499@hyper.dimensional.com> From: "Scott Bullerwell" To: Subject: Re: craft project Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:34:54 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vDHJZD.A.srD.7-nz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2555 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:06:33 -0800 X-UIDL: b58606534d8be07a550663b829585524 Status: O X-Status: Jeff's scheme is solid, if you're into sewing. Also, there are commercially available cable bundlers (shielded and unshielded) that can be of use, as well as cheap garden hose (get the large diameter black rubber stuff if possible--cut the ends off, thread your cables through--if they're too thick to thread through, slit the hose longitudinally, stuff yer cables in, seal it with black tape, and hey presto! instant snake.) I would however suggest the following: Don't bundle signal cables and power cables in one snake if you can avoid it at all. In fact, don't run signal and power cables next to each other under any circumstance where it can be avoided--cross one over the other at 90 degrees if you must and keep the gaffer tape handy. By the way, MIDI Solutions will reportedly be shipping the R8 in February--it's a 1U rack-mounted midi-controlled giz with eight relays that open and close eight 1/4" jacks. Thus, you can control stuff that uses a 1/4" phone-plug footswitch via midi. (http://www.midisolutions.com). That might be a solution to rack spaghetti for some of us. (I want one for my Mesa/Boogie V-Twin, and there'll still be two jacks left over to run, like, the fog machine and the disco ball...) Scott Bullerwell tanelorn@dimensional.com Boulder, Colorado, USA From ???@??? Tue Jan 27 20:38:01 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 27 13:01:58 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxI8i-0005fE-00; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:01:48 -0800 Message-Id: <98Jan27.143731cst.26886@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:40:11 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Re: craft project In-Reply-To: <34CE2BE4.5F7C@bgnet.bgsu.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ce8G1.A.qHD.SYkz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2550 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:01:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 27c56fb1ed5a8d58ddfe9dbeeced3f26 Status: O X-Status: Jeff- Thanks for the chuckle! We've got walls and walls of pointy guitars with extended cutaways and Floyd Rose whammies here in Nashville. We also have a bunch of vintage Oberheim, Ensoniq, Roland, etc. Probably due to the fact that this town is full of guys and gals who get free gear, and once they lose/change their gigs, the gear gets sold in used and pawn shops. Great shopping if you ever come by for a visit. Send me a wish list, I'll keep an eye out for whatever. BTW- If Mark's Vintage Synthesizers got you hot, stay far away from his "The Beauty of the B" The Hammond B-3 Story. Probably not the thing for the pedal-philes on this list, but if there is a latent organist in the crowd, enjoy!! Tom "Fattenin' up the Gear Fund" Spaulding At 12:48 PM 1/27/98 -0600, you wrote: >Hey kids, >If you're like me, you have a big swarm of strange cables >running from your pedalboard to your rack. I don't mean >the usual pedalboard action where the signal goes in one >end and out the other, but the kind where you have >footswitches and controllers for a bunch of rack gizmos. >For example, I have three footswitches and a pedal for my >Jamster & Vortex (side note-how long do you think it'll be >before these suckers go up so much in price that I'll be >afraid to take 'em to the gig, like a flametop Les Paul?) >and a footswitch for a ProCo R2DU (two Rats in a 1 rack >space box), in other words, four 1/4" stereo cables and 1 >MIDI cable. I carry my crap around in a soft rack case, >tossing the pedals and cables in the back, since all the >devices are quite shallow. Needless to say, I had a >considerable spaghetti problem. >So, I decided to build my own snake. After a variety of >tape/twist-tie configurations failed, I got $.50 of fabric >at Ben Franklin and spent an afternoon sewing and >listening to Paul Bley albums. I made a tube 7.5'x 1.5" >and threaded my cables through it. Presto-quick and tidy >setup and teardown. >I suppose this little invention won't catch on because >it's getting easier and easier to get one big controller >that can run all your stuff or one gadget that does >everything and then some (G-Force? Eventide? Powerbook >with MAX?), but I figured I'd share my Martha Stewart >moment with y'all. >Oh yeah, under no circumstances read Mark Vail's Vintage >Synthesizers book. It's worse than pornography. I was >filled with an unstoppable violent lust for gear. >Fortunately for my finances, the only used gear store in >town is full of Samick guitars and Peavey amps cast off by >frustrated post-grunge teenage boys... >-- >Jeff Schwartz >jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu >http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html > > > From ???@??? Tue Jan 27 20:38:03 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 27 13:54:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxIxV-0002DY-00; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:54:17 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: <12d913a8.34ce4dc9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:12:39 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: The LoOpDoctOrs suggest worthy Looping device candidates Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"vF3MlD.A.e.XBlz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2551 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:54:17 -0800 X-UIDL: ab1ed29f057ffcc49ff6217d18c6becc Status: O X-Status: Hi Tom: The LoOpDoctOrs have no "John B" in residence. This doc's name is Kevin, but I will pass on the information to Oregon. :) Have fun at Namm. By the way, so far we are really excited about the new software in the 'plex. You guys did really good! Best, The LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Tue Jan 27 20:38:08 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 27 14:48:05 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxJnS-0006ny-00; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:47:58 -0800 Message-ID: <34CE5E3A.3F74D920@texas.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:22:51 -0600 From: James McCollough Organization: Johnny X and the Tomb Raiders X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: unsubscribe References: <199801261726_MC2-30BC-E4E0@compuserve.com> <34CD1BA7.BBE3D7AB@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"H43Zw.A.dlE.j6lz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2552 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:47:58 -0800 X-UIDL: 37fe446f13e775ed17278f3cf274815a Status: O X-Status: unsubscribe Jeff Duke wrote: > Hey ya'll, > R&T, or anybody, could you explain what gradual changes in phase means,I am > going to look for Reich.It sounds cool and I have been wanting to do some > looping with real and analog drums. > thanks much,Jeff > > R & T Cummings wrote: > > > Some interesting ideas with the minimal music approaches, I think. > > One of favorite pieces is Steve Reich's _Drumming_ which at > > 1 1/2 hours length involves "changes of phase position, pitch and > > timbre" (liner notes). In this piece they start on tuned bongos and > > gradually introduce voice, marimbas and glockenspiels while all > > basically using the same rhythmic figure (with gradual changes of > > relative phase). Another approach that he used on some pieces (e.g. _Six > > Pianos), was changing phase in discrete steps of eigths etc. combined > > with addition/ subtraction/ replacement of notes. > > > > This latter technique seems to me to be simpler and maybe a more > > feasible way of getting started (Although, I personally have not > > really tried this to any depth). Any of you have some ideas on these > > sorts of techniques, as applied to machine-aided looping. > > Machine-aided looping (especially the 95% echo feedback type > > of looping) basically uses similar concepts, doesn't it? > > > > Thanks for the posts in this direction - this induces some new (well, > > actually old - let's say recycled) ideas! From ???@??? Wed Jan 28 10:06:41 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 28 01:15:42 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxTak-0005MC-00; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:15:30 -0800 Message-Id: <98Jan27.165909cst.26883@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:01:55 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: The LoOpDoctOrs suggest...OB-1 Listens In-Reply-To: <12d913a8.34ce4dc9@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"9xuIMB.A.sZE.OWvz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2561 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:15:30 -0800 X-UIDL: 9a916cbbf356de9b7e5f48168ca432e9 Status: O X-Status: Dr. Kevin- All props to Kim and Co. for the update. We are but the cash-crazy crass commercializers that bring it to you in an attractive package, nicely displayed. Albeit in a creamy tint. Thanks for tracking the Oregon Trail for us. Keep On Beige-ing (Bejing?) Tom "Oral Looping is not really Looping" Spaulding From ???@??? Wed Jan 28 10:06:38 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 28 00:57:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxKwD-0004rY-00; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:01:05 -0800 Message-ID: <34CE6C4A.5DFAE5FD@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:22:50 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe References: <199801261726_MC2-30BC-E4E0@compuserve.com> <34CD1BA7.BBE3D7AB@bellsouth.net> <34CE5E3A.3F74D920@texas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ra3dyB.A.x2D.YMnz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2553 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:01:05 -0800 X-UIDL: 0e3e9f5fc7d7cd9e17e46d46ed37207a Status: O X-Status: I hope that is'nt directed at me!Sniff,sniff Jeff James McCollough wrote: > unsubscribe > > Jeff Duke wrote: > > > Hey ya'll, > > R&T, or anybody, could you explain what gradual changes in phase means,I am > > going to look for Reich.It sounds cool and I have been wanting to do some > > looping with real and analog drums. > > thanks much,Jeff > > > > R & T Cummings wrote: > > > > > Some interesting ideas with the minimal music approaches, I think. > > > One of favorite pieces is Steve Reich's _Drumming_ which at > > > 1 1/2 hours length involves "changes of phase position, pitch and > > > timbre" (liner notes). In this piece they start on tuned bongos and > > > gradually introduce voice, marimbas and glockenspiels while all > > > basically using the same rhythmic figure (with gradual changes of > > > relative phase). Another approach that he used on some pieces (e.g. _Six > > > Pianos), was changing phase in discrete steps of eigths etc. combined > > > with addition/ subtraction/ replacement of notes. > > > > > > This latter technique seems to me to be simpler and maybe a more > > > feasible way of getting started (Although, I personally have not > > > really tried this to any depth). Any of you have some ideas on these > > > sorts of techniques, as applied to machine-aided looping. > > > Machine-aided looping (especially the 95% echo feedback type > > > of looping) basically uses similar concepts, doesn't it? > > > > > > Thanks for the posts in this direction - this induces some new (well, > > > actually old - let's say recycled) ideas! From ???@??? Tue Jan 27 20:38:14 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 27 17:03:15 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxLsT-0005W3-00; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:01:17 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: forbin.syr.edu: msottila owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:19:32 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Sottilaro X-Sender: msottila@forbin.syr.edu To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: buckethead In-Reply-To: <73134ce0.34ca9327@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"3g6i2B.A.bHD.i5nz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2554 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:01:17 -0800 X-UIDL: ce8e467174e65eafbba056315d44e265 Status: O X-Status: Hey, If you like Buckethead, check out his ambient Axiom release Death Cube K It's amazing. Mark From ???@??? Tue Jan 27 20:38:16 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 27 17:18:23 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxM8F-0007HM-00; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:17:35 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980128004044.007660ec@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:40:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: buckethead Resent-Message-ID: <"EFAEVB.A.4eE.zGoz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2556 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:17:35 -0800 X-UIDL: 78c441c02a0bf9d8efdd7a0beaf26e6c Status: O X-Status: As I understood it, he had to use that "Death Cube K" anagram due to a trademark infringement problem with the rap group called "The Bucketheads." Bummer, huh? kim At 07:19 PM 1/27/98 -0500, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Hey, > >If you like Buckethead, check out his ambient Axiom release Death Cube K > >It's amazing. > >Mark _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue Jan 27 20:38:18 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 27 18:10:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxMxn-0004mF-00; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:10:51 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980128005317.007621c0@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:53:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: craft project Resent-Message-ID: <"6hLWy.A.T9C.1-oz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2557 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:10:51 -0800 X-UIDL: 06c69d48173367ecd46df84c3015db8a Status: O X-Status: I think there are various cheap-o plastic products around to do this sort of thing as well, generally for household extension cables and such. You can probably find them in hardware stores. We have them in various strategic parts of the house to prevent pet rabbits from chewing through cables. The plastic slows 'em down a bit. (never could figure out how they don't electrocute themselves, but they've almost killed me a couple times by leaving exposed wire around after an insulation snack...) kim At 01:34 PM 1/27/98 -0700, Scott Bullerwell wrote: >Jeff's scheme is solid, if you're into sewing. Also, there are >commercially available cable bundlers (shielded and unshielded) that can be >of use, as well as cheap garden hose (get the large diameter black rubber >stuff if possible--cut the ends off, thread your cables through--if they're >too thick to thread through, slit the hose longitudinally, stuff yer cables >in, seal it with black tape, and hey presto! instant snake.) _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue Jan 27 22:52:41 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 27 21:40:19 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxQE7-0000yo-00; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:39:55 -0800 Message-ID: <34CEB4BE.99C05200@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:31:58 -0500 From: innerspace@mediaone.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-MOEMW (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: buckethead References: <2.2.32.19980128004044.007660ec@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------DF2D23A305DA3F868400551F" Resent-Message-ID: <"fw0BhC.A.LZC.Xbrz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2558 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:39:55 -0800 X-UIDL: ce5ce86181a6e4dd54c6bf3e4a36c86e Status: O X-Status: Actually, I'm kinda more hip to the anagram than the whole buckethead thang, but then again thats just me.

either way its all good...

As I understood it, he had to use that "Death Cube K" anagram due to a
trademark infringement problem with the rap group called "The Bucketheads."
Bummer, huh?

kim

At 07:19 PM 1/27/98 -0500, Mark  Sottilaro wrote:
>Hey,
>
>If you like Buckethead, check out his ambient Axiom release Death Cube K
>
>It's amazing.
>
>Mark
_______________________________________________________
Kim Flint                       408-752-9284
Mpact Systems Engineering       kflint@chromatic.com
Chromatic Research              http://www.chromatic.com

  From ???@??? Wed Jan 28 10:06:34 1998 >From kflint Tue Jan 27 23:46:28 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxSCJ-0005N4-00; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:46:11 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980127221429.0094da50@pop.nwlink.com> X-Sender: jt@pop.nwlink.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:14:29 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: JT Subject: Re: craft project In-Reply-To: <98Jan27.143731cst.26886@gateway.gibson.com> References: <34CE2BE4.5F7C@bgnet.bgsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Woltn.A.5eD.72tz0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2560 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:46:11 -0800 X-UIDL: 099f038c218becda842c31db4a9f71fa Status: O X-Status: >...Probably due to the fact >that this town is full of guys and gals who get free gear, and once they >lose/change their gigs, the gear gets sold in used and pawn shops. Great >shopping if you ever come by for a visit. Send me a wish list, I'll keep an >eye out for whatever. I've always got my eye on free gear. Please contact me directly so we can work out the shipping details. ;) From ???@??? Wed Jan 28 10:07:21 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 28 06:35:59 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxYar-0001VP-00; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 06:35:57 -0800 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:28:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801281428.JAA14496@marconi.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: craft project Resent-Message-ID: <"UH1NcB.A.k1.1C0z0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2563 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 06:35:57 -0800 X-UIDL: ba64ac072187232ce24e2b6eeef430ba Status: O X-Status: At 01:48 PM 1/27/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hey kids, SNIP >considerable spaghetti problem. >So, I decided to build my own snake. After a variety of >tape/twist-tie configurations failed, I got $.50 of fabric >at Ben Franklin and spent an afternoon sewing and >listening to Paul Bley albums. I made a tube 7.5'x 1.5" >and threaded my cables through it. Presto-quick and tidy >setup and teardown. >I suppose this little invention won't catch on because >it's getting easier and easier to get one big controller >that can run all your stuff or one gadget that does >everything and then some (G-Force? Eventide? Powerbook >with MAX?), but I figured I'd share my Martha Stewart >moment with y'all. Jeff, was wondering if you'd consider doing a lace doily for the top of my rack ;) Seriously, you're going to make some lucky loopette one heck of a catch someday ;0 if you added velcro, you could use it as a wrap--make getting the cables in and out easier (yeah, I know it's being done commercially, but in a LIGHT BLUE SILK CHENILLE to DIE FOR) . . . I've been meaning to check out the drainage field hose section of Home Depot and look for a practical diameter thaat I could slit and pack with cables >Oh yeah, under no circumstances read Mark Vail's Vintage >Synthesizers book. It's worse than pornography. I was >filled with an unstoppable violent lust for gear. I'm on a post-gear orgy, 12-step program at the present time. Please respect my WEAKENED state . . . no more references to LOVELY, LOOOOVVVELY, gear (drool) >Jeff Schwartz >jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu >http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html > > > drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Wed Jan 28 22:51:18 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 28 12:38:27 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxeFb-0001GW-00; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:38:23 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19980128071736.304fd73a@texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@texas.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (16) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:17:36 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: Buckethead and fried chicken Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"mRNPND.A.mE.MP5z0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2565 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:38:23 -0800 X-UIDL: e21e1eb8c2bd6399011c22af2895fc67 Status: O X-Status: hello,,,personally, i do not like MOST of what Buckethead does,,,however i find his all acoustic guitar playing on Jonas Hellborg's "Octave of the holy innocents" to be outstanding (mike shrieve on drums) if you want a sample of this in real audio try: http://netbeat.com/products/cd91.htm i must also confess,,,eating fried chicken DOES make you a better player,,,i know,,it sounds crazy,,but there is a cosmic connection between the consumption of well prepared fried chicken, and the creation of music...just keep plenty of napkins around,,,or you might discover nature's "fingerease" > >well till my next bucket of KFC,,, james From ???@??? Wed Jan 28 10:07:32 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 28 08:15:23 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxa93-00029l-00; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:15:21 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:00:47 -0800 Message-ID: <00080189.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: craft project To: "Looper's Delight" , "T.W. Hartnett" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"Lir-Z.A.YRB.de1z0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2564 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:15:21 -0800 X-UIDL: 4fa117cab9c7950fd7aeffe1a404ed9f Status: O X-Status: I use the Digital Music GCX Expander. It has 8 switchable relay audio loops (send and return) which also have inputs and ouputs. Very flexible. It only responds to CONTROL CHANGES though, so for some of you with cheesy stripped function midi pedals LOOK OUT! This has been a very reliable product which has NEVER betrayed me. That's nice in a product! No matter how much I like the other whiz bang stuff in my rack, nearly all have gone south at one point or another. It's part of their Ground Control product line. I use the Digitech PMC-10 midi pedal though. The Ground Control just didn't seem to have enough memory. They sell a memory upgrade which at least approaches the capacity of the PMC-10. They have another product called the System Mix. A 1sp rack mixer with buffered inputs, 2 parallel busses with mix controls on the front panel, a midi through port... and a stereo Cab Tone speaker emulator which received favorable reviews recently. (I believe in Guitar Player.) It also has 2 midi controlled VCA's for volume control of the mixer without the long cable runs. I have to see and test one for any further impressions. (I'm always skeptical.) Cheers, -Miko -------------------------------- >By the way, MIDI Solutions will reportedly be shipping the R8 in >February--it's a 1U rack-mounted midi-controlled giz with eight relays that >open and close eight 1/4" jacks. Thus, you can control stuff that uses a >1/4" phone-plug footswitch via midi. (http://www.midisolutions.com). That >might be a solution to rack spaghetti for some of us. (I want one for my >Mesa/Boogie V-Twin, and there'll still be two jacks left over to run, like, >the fog machine and the disco ball...) I've been using the Rockman MIDI Octopus for that. I've got two, they're half-rack units, really easy to use. They're out of production, but they're easy to find used for under $100. And no wall-wart. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Wed Jan 28 22:51:24 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 28 14:21:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxfrD-00027R-00; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:21:19 -0800 Message-ID: <34CFAD8C.A1EFF58D@bellsouth.net> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:13:32 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Time for digitech machine page References: <980124233558_1783960427@mrin39.mx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"A-2MiB.A.dz.8v6z0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2566 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:21:19 -0800 X-UIDL: 1df4636cb58b0f7f57d0d6e14b3cf3f7 Status: O X-Status: I have been looking for a book and I finally found it.It's the Digital Delay Handbook by Craig Anderton.(Amsco#38985)It goes into the uses and way to control non midi gear using control voltage inputs and outputs that came on some old gear. I took 3 projects in the book and put them in a volume pedal and added a power supply.I've had more fun as you say "bouncing off of pluto" with this thing! Well,if you use this you can send the pics of the rcgfkt to me. Jeff Duke jmar@bellsouth.net CORROSIVE@aol.com wrote: > Although I am just the owner of a lowly PDS-8000, I'd love to hear more > feedback (ouch), tips & stuff regarding time machines... i personally feel > lo-res looping is equally as kool as hi-res!! I would love it if the Plex > pro had a switch (or mod) so you could do 4 bit sampling (ala > electro-harmonix super replay), cause the lo-res grain makes it sound like > your loops were shot into space & bounced off Pluto before behind detuned & > returned to your pitched down psyche... From ???@??? Thu Jan 29 09:45:23 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 29 04:07:17 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxivq-0002Fv-00; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:38:18 -0800 From: MIvanBerk@aol.com Message-ID: <605355df.34cfd943@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:20:01 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: A couple of things for sale.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"cynRYD.A.cCB.ao9z0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2567 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:38:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 53d17747856f5dccc59065db5a8b419f Status: O X-Status: Thought I'd post this to the group before going to Harmony Central. Anyway, I'm streamlining my rig a bit (quasi-significant financial woes, rationalized as wanting to cut down to an easily portable affair for NYC). Digitech RDS 8000, you're all familiar with it, 8second delay, with LFO for modulation of delay time. With two Hosa pedal switches for bypass and hold/trigger functions (which I won't separate, 'cause I've got no other use for them). I even have a manual! Excellent condition. $250.00 MAM (Music-And-More) RS3 Resonator. Based on the ol' Korg PS-3100 filter section, 3 bandpass filters plus an LFO plus an envelope follower, filter frequency sweepable via front panel knob or external CV pedal of your choosing. Sort of an extremely wacky Uni-Vibe and a Mu-Tron III crammed into one rack space. All analog...the sweet sound of slowly-moving Vactrols...mmm, and quacking if you want it. Great for coloring your loops. Like new. also $250.00 Prefer NYC buyer. If somebody wants 'em both, I'll throw in a two-space SKB rack, which is where they reside now. -Michael Berk mivanberk@aol.com From ???@??? Thu Jan 29 03:55:21 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 29 02:51:22 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxrYl-00058g-00; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:51:03 -0800 From: MIvanBerk Message-ID: <7b1889e4.34cfdace@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:26:36 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: One more thing... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"GnKE1D.A.AmD.fuF00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2573 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:51:03 -0800 X-UIDL: e6e8123b2e987fd6d2c2777eb1992098 Status: O X-Status: I'd also like to sell a Boss SP-202 Dr. Sample, which I bought for a project that never happened. It's a 4-voice baby sampler that uses SmartMedia cards for memory/storage. Has two nifty filters and a ring modulator, which can be applied to external audio sources. This is a product aimed at DJ's, so while you can't loop per se (press record, then stop, and immediately hear a loop), you can configure it so as to always have external audio running through it, and sample from that audio stream. It's pretty good for that sort of thing. And it is polyphonic, and it's tiny (looks like a grossly overinflated HP calculator, or one of those Star Trek tricorders), which makes a neat little tabletop looper if you're interested in that kind of thing. Like new, w / original box, manual, a Boss power adapter, and an extra 4MB SmartMedia card. this is also $250.00 -Michael Berk mivanberk@aol.com From ???@??? Thu Jan 29 09:45:24 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 29 04:17:42 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxsuS-0004Vz-00; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 04:17:32 -0800 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:34:36 -0500 (EST) From: CORROSIVE@aol.com Message-ID: <980128203434_1716487033@mrin54> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: time machines/electro harmonix! Resent-Message-ID: <"s95efD.A.GlD.gFH00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2574 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 04:17:32 -0800 X-UIDL: f651f2f2f8d01e3694d3528f4aa80f92 Status: O X-Status: hey, I just found my manual for the RDS-8000...spose i could scan it if anybody cares. I also have one for the EH super replay- anybody out there have the EH 16 sec dig delay manual scanned?? that would be cool to check out >>>>gregor From ???@??? Thu Jan 29 09:45:22 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 29 03:56:08 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxjgB-00066s-00; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:26:11 -0800 From: CORROSIVE@aol.com Message-ID: <1025b804.34cfe520@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:10:38 EST To: Fmplautus@aol.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: funky vintage boxes.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"wALf9.A.05E.DZ-z0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2568 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:26:12 -0800 X-UIDL: aff5f8ddefa6de584d33502e404ee8b9 Status: O X-Status: i know this is slightly off-topic, but...I almost always use funky old stomp boxes when loooping with the Plex & Jamman, and thought it would be interesting to hear other peoples setups or fave processors for looping. O yeah, speaking of manuals-anybody out there have a manual for the Roland Dimension D??- I'd love to get a copy, if only to read the instructions badly translated from Japanese.. thanks >>>>gregor From ???@??? Thu Jan 29 09:45:26 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 29 04:59:34 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxkXO-0002oy-00; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:21:10 -0800 From: bryan.helm@dinosaur.com Message-ID: <9801281936.0RJWZ00@dinosaur.com> Organization: The Dinosaur Board X-Mailer: TBBS/TIGER v1.0 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 19:36:47 -0700 Subject: glass eno To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"HZgT3B.A.eCC.2O_z0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2570 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:21:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 6a13d6d399aad730c216b4f3d28664d2 Status: O X-Status: The recent remark concerning warped Eno vs. skipping Glass vinyl platters ,for some reason made me think of the following: My one and only live P.Glass experience was a concert given at the Museum of Contemporary Art in Cincinatti Ohio back in 1980 (?) It was a small room seating maybe 100, the ensemble was flown in from Rotterdam,( where he was involved with his opera in sanskrit at the time), evidently for this show. They did selections from Einstein on the Beach and Dance 1,2&3 and a few other pieces. The sound engineer sat in the middle of the ensemble facing them. For all that it was "mimimalist" in nature the overwhelming impression left on most audience members as I recall was the sheer decibel level at which it was presented. I got the impression that very few of these people had enjoyed amplified music in a public performance context though to be fair to them, the volume WAS high. Secondly I was reminded of a story I once heard Robert Fripp relate concerning a performance he and Eno once did in a bullring in Spain during the 70's. I guess the whole gig had it's own special ambiance what with the spectacle of gun toting Basque seperatists at the airport during their arrival,and playing the arena floor of this bullring to boot...but anyway.He said they played the show and towards the end, got this loop going and then they both left the "stage" and retired to an enclosure from which they could see the crowd through some shutters. As Eno peered out at the crowd he was noticed and the next thing Fripp said this fellow comes and pulls aside the shutters and says in a U.S. drawl "Hey guys is the show over?", to which Eno replied "Well it is for us, but not for you". Just a couple memories, from apparently still active brain cells ......it's an age of wonder.....I wonder where I put that?..... Bryan Helm "Loop is pool backwards and pool starts with P which rhymes with T that is the first letter in the word....TROUBLE!" From ???@??? Wed Jan 28 22:51:42 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 28 18:58:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxkBk-0000yn-00; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:58:48 -0800 Message-Id: <199801290243.VAA03729@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: midi 1/4 " switcher Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:44:38 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-SzV8.A.vRH.81-z0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2569 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:58:48 -0800 X-UIDL: c0a2d8b1965802d05c45c9792fbe87ea Status: O X-Status: > > By the way, MIDI Solutions will reportedly be shipping the R8 in > February--it's a 1U rack-mounted midi-controlled giz with eight relays that > open and close eight 1/4" jacks. Thus, you can control stuff that uses a > 1/4" phone-plug footswitch via midi. (http://www.midisolutions.com). That > might be a solution to rack spaghetti for some of us. (I want one for my > Mesa/Boogie V-Twin, and there'll still be two jacks left over to run, like, > the fog machine and the disco ball...) also - vegetarian/genius (like Albert Einstein) Tom Scholz has sold the midi rockman OCTOPUS for years it's a HALF space device that will control 8 devices also.... and with a add-on for $75, you can set up a midi controllable effects loop....... i see these used a lot. Lake butler/midigator also mad a few diff. 1/3 space units that did this. save $$$ buy used andre' From ???@??? Thu Jan 29 03:55:12 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 29 00:46:24 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxpbk-0001oa-00; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:46:00 -0800 Message-ID: <34D001DC.2255@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:13:16 -0500 From: djdowling@earthlink.net Reply-To: djdowling@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Dinosaur sighting References: <1025b804.34cfe520@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cAaObD.A.iK.Y2D00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2572 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:46:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 5a2cec7be242acb9b2c854d75c810cec Status: O X-Status: Just saw an old green Echoplex at Cambridge music (Porter Sq, Cambridge MA). The guy at the shop didn't seem to know if it worked or not. That's all D From ???@??? Thu Jan 29 03:55:09 1998 >From kflint Wed Jan 28 23:59:41 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxose-0005Ls-00; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:59:24 -0800 From: TritoneDW Message-ID: <8e9dd97b.34d02218@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:30:46 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: funky vintage boxes.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"nzPE8C.A.RuC.CFD00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2571 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:59:24 -0800 X-UIDL: cf82a168a6a4e0e1ffdfcde5fb08d37d Status: O X-Status: <> The only pedal I am completely enamored with right now is the Electro-Harmonix Small Stone phase shifter. It's a texture machine. As cool as it is, though, I'd give my left eyeball to find the Bad Stone I used to own. It was WAY cooler--you could set the mid-point of the phase sweep, or disable the modulation and set up a "stationary" phased sound with a manual knob. And what beautiful knobs they were; huge black monster knobs. Other than that and a decent reverb (and the JamPig, of course), I don't use much, although I may soon get my hands on a Vortex, in which case it will probably become an indispensible box as well. Hey, just to add the the gear thread (don't you love talking about toys?), I just got a Parker Fly, and I LOVE it. Anyone else out there play one of these things? (This is gratuitous toy talk, I know, but I can't help myself.) Have a loopy day, Drew W. From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:56:13 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 22:18:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyWFa-00040v-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:17:58 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.16.19980128071736.304fd73a@texas.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:40:01 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: TEST 29 Jan Resent-Message-ID: <"-xmMoB.A.ZVD.1Es00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2626 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:17:58 -0800 X-UIDL: af53dd93dde262584f3f94c17783befe Status: O X-Status: TEST 29 Jan From ???@??? Thu Jan 29 09:47:07 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 29 08:41:28 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxx1m-0004rP-00; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:41:22 -0800 X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <980128203434_1716487033@mrin54> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:36:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed Drake Subject: Selling stuff over the internet Resent-Message-ID: <"Zgr2zB.A.6UD.n4K00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2575 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:41:22 -0800 X-UIDL: fb72a95443adb9dd753a5deb19c4902c Status: O X-Status: I had a question for anybody out there in loopland. I have an ADA MC-1 midi controller for sale and I've had a response via the net, so I was wondering what is the best way to avoid being ripped off? I've heard that shipping COD via one of the package carriers (UPS, Fed Ex, etc) is the best way but does anyone have advice or experiences they would like to share? Pardon my naivete concerning this. Thanks! Ed From ???@??? Thu Jan 29 09:47:09 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 29 08:58:33 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxxI7-0006b8-00; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:58:15 -0800 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:42:36 -0600 (CST) Sender: Todd Madson From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Death Cube K Origin Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"act_M.A.UvE.dGL00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2576 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:58:15 -0800 X-UIDL: 778bc36b72554e03d472958c2392fae6 Status: O X-Status: Actually, it was not a conflict with the group the Bucketheads, who came out after Buckethead's stuff was released. Rather, he had wanted to do some ambient stuff and he was under contract to Sony in Japan who wanted him to be releasing full-on shredfests or they wouldn't release it in the U.S. So, an Editor at Keyboard magazine came up with the anagram and the name stuck. His more musical stuff in a rock context is on the Praxis, "Transmutation" recording. The Death Cube K stuff is fine for the ambient-loopheads among us. -Todd. From ???@??? Thu Jan 29 09:47:10 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 29 09:01:00 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxxKS-0006qn-00; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:00:40 -0800 Message-Id: <199801291635.IAA20873@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: Selling stuff over the internet Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:51:08 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_TF8nD.A.uGF.-JL00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2577 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:00:41 -0800 X-UIDL: c006fad4a2e2c58dfda6b8956d37f08d Status: O X-Status: > From: Ed Drake > I had a question for anybody out there in loopland. I have an ADA MC-1 midi > controller for sale and I've had a response via the net, so I was wondering > what is the best way to avoid being ripped off? I've heard that shipping > COD via one of the package carriers (UPS, Fed Ex, etc) is the best way but > does anyone have advice or experiences they would like to share? Pardon my > naivete concerning this. Ed, Definitely ship COD. Trust no one. There are many flaky people out there with internet access. I've sold and bought a number of things over the net via COD. It has worked without a flaw everytime. The only bummer is that it can take up to a month to get your money if you ship COD via UPS. Good Luck! Matt From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:50:25 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 09:08:43 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyJvh-0007Nr-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:08:37 -0800 Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD014CC06@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "Liebig, Steuart A." , "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: time machines/electro harmonix! Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:14:38 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"VcUzB.A.67E.eZg00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2602 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:08:37 -0800 X-UIDL: 3ac2152c8b863541f5226e07d47e9ccf Status: O X-Status: I second the request for an EH 16-second delay manual. There's a guy who sells copies for $1.50 a page, but that seems a little high . . . steuart > ---------- > From: CORROSIVE@aol.com > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 1998 4:17 AM > To: LiebigSA@maritz.com > Subject: time machines/electro harmonix! > > hey, I just found my manual for the RDS-8000...spose i could scan it > if > anybody cares. I also have one for the EH super replay- anybody out > there > have the EH 16 sec dig delay manual scanned?? that would be cool to > check out > >>>>gregor > From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:50:19 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 08:07:49 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxxvU-00035q-00; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:38:56 -0800 Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD014CC07@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Selling stuff over the internet Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:16:13 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"TU17L.A.QPB.TrL00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2580 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:38:56 -0800 X-UIDL: c240a7962377cbfe4f689fe806f90e9a Status: O X-Status: I think that COD is great, have done it many times. > ---------- > From: Ed Drake > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 1998 8:41 AM > To: LiebigSA@maritz.com > Subject: Selling stuff over the internet > > I had a question for anybody out there in loopland. I have an ADA MC-1 > midi > controller for sale and I've had a response via the net, so I was > wondering > what is the best way to avoid being ripped off? I've heard that > shipping > COD via one of the package carriers (UPS, Fed Ex, etc) is the best way > but > does anyone have advice or experiences they would like to share? > Pardon my > naivete concerning this. > Thanks! > Ed > > > From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:50:24 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 08:59:22 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxxvm-00037j-00; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:39:14 -0800 Message-Id: <199801291725.KAA30288@hyper.dimensional.com> From: "Scott Bullerwell" To: Subject: Re: Selling stuff over the internet Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:17:38 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GFcvLB.A.QNB.DrL00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2579 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:39:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 07b709dbba013ec17cbce9a6bda0a2bd Status: O X-Status: http://www.tradesafe.com Your buyer sends them the dough. They hold it in escrow. You send your buyer the merchandise. They then have a short period of time to evaluate it and either send it back to you or keep it. I've got a few friends who have used tradesafe more than once, and they're very happy with it. Scott Bullerwell tanelorn@dimensional.com ---------- > From: Ed Drake > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Selling stuff over the internet > Date: Thursday, January 29, 1998 09:36 > > I had a question for anybody out there in loopland. I have an ADA MC-1 midi > controller for sale and I've had a response via the net, so I was wondering > what is the best way to avoid being ripped off? I've heard that shipping > COD via one of the package carriers (UPS, Fed Ex, etc) is the best way but > does anyone have advice or experiences they would like to share? Pardon my > naivete concerning this. > Thanks! > Ed > > From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:50:23 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 08:58:19 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxxvk-00037a-00; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:39:12 -0800 Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD014CC08@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: time machines/electro harmonix! Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:17:43 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"pkISJC.A.8VB.MsL00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2581 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:39:12 -0800 X-UIDL: 1ef921b4b2b4141b20a48242ce70f971 Status: O X-Status: P.S. I've heard that EH is going to reissue the 16-second, but when? Does anybody have any info on this? steuart > ---------- > From: Liebig, Steuart A. > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 1998 9:14 AM > To: Liebig, Steuart A.; 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' > Subject: RE: time machines/electro harmonix! > > I second the request for an EH 16-second delay manual. There's a guy > who sells copies for $1.50 a page, but that seems a little high . . . > > steuart > > ---------- > From: CORROSIVE@aol.com > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 1998 4:17 AM > To: LiebigSA@maritz.com > Subject: time machines/electro harmonix! > > hey, I just found my manual for the RDS-8000...spose i could > scan it if > anybody cares. I also have one for the EH super replay- anybody > out there > have the EH 16 sec dig delay manual scanned?? that would be cool > to check out > >>>>gregor > > From ???@??? Thu Jan 29 09:47:13 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 29 09:37:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxxtR-0002ri-00; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:36:49 -0800 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:18:54 -0800 (PST) From: Stew Benedict Subject: Re: Selling stuff over the internet To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"OOz84.A.86.QoL00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2578 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:36:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 01670de6d5de47d11aa9120ebac90bd5 Status: O X-Status: COD has worked well for me, both buying and selling. I only had one instance out of about 15 where the buyer changed his mind, and the shipper had to ship the items back to me. Stew On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Ed Drake wrote: > I had a question for anybody out there in loopland. I have an ADA MC-1 midi > controller for sale and I've had a response via the net, so I was wondering > what is the best way to avoid being ripped off? I've heard that shipping > COD via one of the package carriers (UPS, Fed Ex, etc) is the best way but > does anyone have advice or experiences they would like to share? Pardon my > naivete concerning this. > Thanks! > Ed > > > > From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:50:18 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 07:52:21 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxyLd-0005qr-00; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:05:57 -0800 Message-Id: <199801291754.KAA30553@hyper.dimensional.com> From: "Scott Bullerwell" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Signal Path Necromancy Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:46:28 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"R40_WB.A.1IE.TGM00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2582 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:05:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 3f9d5116cad90add3e8b4fdc121307f6 Status: O X-Status: It's like a puzzle, only not fun: My setup consists of a guitar w/midi pickup and two outboard synths controlled by same. All signals (dry guitar, synth 1, synth 2) are routed into a mixer. All signals have their own volume pedal between the source and the mixer. Signal processors are mounted in FX loop of mixer (Aux 1). Whole lotta syrup added here: chorus, detune, delay, doppler panning, flange, harmonizer, sodomizer, transmogrifier, little plastic box that goes "bing!" etc. Looper is mounted thus: mixer's "Tape Out" to looper's input. Output from looper goes into empty channel on mixer. I want to be able to send the signal of my choice (guitar, synth 1, synth 2, or any combination thereof) to the looper. Problem: the looper records wet signal in this configuration. The looper is plugged into the board, and to get the loop back into some semblance of a stereo image I bring up the FX level on that channel AGAIN. Nasty comb filtering, squealing, etc. Solution: run only dry signal to the looper. But HOW? There's three signal sources, and all of them are stereo even when dry (stereo guitar preamp, stereo synths). I can pull half-inserts off of the mono channels... what about a resistive mixer? Hey, that just might work! Patch the three mono dry half-insert signals into a resistive mixer and into the looper, then out of the looper into the board and through the stereo FX bus for some syrup. Anyone got a more rational/elegant/simple/prudent idea than this? I'd love to hear it! Scott Bullerwell tanelorn@dimensional.com Boulder, Colorado, USA From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:50:10 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 07:34:18 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xxyvC-0001Ag-00; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:42:42 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:15:46 -0800 Message-ID: <00081687.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Selling stuff over the internet To: , "Matt McCabe" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"mCd2BC.A.ag.4uM00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2583 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:42:42 -0800 X-UIDL: fd599db21d01347f293c8f4d08947f15 Status: O X-Status: Ed Drake ... >> I had a question for anybody out there in loopland. I have an ADA MC-1 >>midi controller for sale and I've had a response via the net, so I was >>wondering what is the best way to avoid being ripped off? I've heard that >>shipping COD via one of the package carriers (UPS, Fed Ex, etc) is the best >>way but does anyone have advice or experiences they would like to share? >>Pardon my naivete concerning this. >Matt McCabe said... >Definitely ship COD. Trust no one. There are many flaky people out there >with internet access. I've sold and bought a number of things over the net >via COD. It has worked without a flaw everytime. The only bummer is that >it can take up to a month to get your money if you ship COD via UPS. UPS is usually a little on the slow side. 2-3 weeks for them to mail you your check... It usually goes OK. Once I received a cryptic piece of paper which sort of looked like a check. I took it to the bank and 'deposited' it. The bank didn't even know if it was a check or not! It bounced. It took me around 4-6 months to straighten this out with UPS. Bummer. No one at UPS could help me at all until I started writing threatening letters to their corporate collection department. I've had good success with FedEx COD. You get it overnight or in 2 days usually. Have the buyer cut a money order or cashier check for the correct amount. FedEx will just forward that to you. A couple of times UPS has had the buyer write the check to *them*, then processed that through their accounting department, and then written *me* a check! That takes a long time as well. A way around this is to definitely have the buyer hand them a money order made out to your full legal name. They can't cash that and usually just forward it to you. Much Better! Never have I had a bad piece of gear. Good luck -Miko From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:48:49 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 29 13:35:00 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xy1bi-0005dJ-00; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:34:46 -0800 Message-ID: <34D0D180.D5911764@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:59:12 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: glass eno References: <9801281936.0RJWZ00@dinosaur.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"61JcYD.A.TBD.3BP00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2585 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:34:46 -0800 X-UIDL: ca04f3961c5b21011a8ac9ea08c9bbc5 Status: O X-Status: I hope everybody knows that my "remark" about Eno and Glass was a joke from The Glass Pages, there are more too.However jokes are only funny if there is an element of truth to them. I loved the Fripp and Eno concert story, now thats funny. Jeff bryan.helm@dinosaur.com wrote: > The recent remark concerning warped Eno vs. skipping Glass > vinyl platters ,for some reason made me think of the following: > > My one and only live P.Glass experience was a concert given > at the Museum of Contemporary Art in Cincinatti Ohio back in > 1980 (?) It was a small room seating maybe 100, the ensemble > was flown in from Rotterdam,( where he was involved with his > opera in sanskrit at the time), evidently for this show. They did > selections from Einstein on the Beach and Dance 1,2&3 and a > few other pieces. The sound engineer sat in the middle of the > ensemble facing them. For all that it was "mimimalist" in nature > the overwhelming impression left on most audience members > as I recall was the sheer decibel level at which it was presented. > I got the impression that very few of these people had enjoyed > amplified music in a public performance context though to be > fair to them, the volume WAS high. > > Secondly I was reminded of a story I once heard Robert Fripp > relate concerning a performance he and Eno once did in a > bullring in Spain during the 70's. I guess the whole gig had > it's own special ambiance what with the spectacle of gun toting > Basque seperatists at the airport during their arrival,and playing > the arena floor of this bullring to boot...but anyway.He said they > played the show and towards the end, got this loop going and then > they both left the "stage" and retired to an enclosure from which > they could see the crowd through some shutters. As Eno peered > out at the crowd he was noticed and the next thing Fripp said this > fellow comes and pulls aside the shutters and says in a U.S. drawl > "Hey guys is the show over?", to which Eno replied "Well it is for > us, but not for you". > > Just a couple memories, from apparently still active brain cells > ......it's an age of wonder.....I wonder where I put that?..... > > Bryan Helm > "Loop is pool backwards > and pool starts with P > which rhymes with T > that is the first letter in > the word....TROUBLE!" From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:48:50 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 29 13:35:23 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xy1c7-0005g3-00; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:35:11 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980129154742.00709b4c@dharma.mitre.org> X-Sender: seligman@dharma.mitre.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:47:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Len Seligman Subject: Re: Selling stuff over the internet In-Reply-To: <199801291725.KAA30288@hyper.dimensional.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"n6HvUD.A.F_C.kBP00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2584 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:35:11 -0800 X-UIDL: 05cc35b53ab63104bf99ef4e8702fa18 Status: O X-Status: Another option is Trade Direct at http://www.trade-direct.com. They seem a little cheaper than tradesafe, but it's basically the same idea. (5% fee for up to $1000, with a minimum of just $5). Also, they offer a pay by credit card option, though there's an additional 3% charge for that. -Len At 10:17 AM 1/29/98 -0700, Scott Bullerwell wrote: >http://www.tradesafe.com > >Your buyer sends them the dough. They hold it in escrow. You send your >buyer the merchandise. They then have a short period of time to evaluate >it and either send it back to you or keep it. > >I've got a few friends who have used tradesafe more than once, and they're >very happy with it. > >Scott Bullerwell >tanelorn@dimensional.com > >---------- >> From: Ed Drake >> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> Subject: Selling stuff over the internet >> Date: Thursday, January 29, 1998 09:36 >> >> I had a question for anybody out there in loopland. I have an ADA MC-1 >midi >> controller for sale and I've had a response via the net, so I was >wondering >> what is the best way to avoid being ripped off? I've heard that shipping >> COD via one of the package carriers (UPS, Fed Ex, etc) is the best way >but >> does anyone have advice or experiences they would like to share? Pardon >my >> naivete concerning this. >> Thanks! >> Ed >> >> > > > From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:49:46 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 00:49:25 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xy3tJ-0003lt-00; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:01:05 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:27:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: funky vintage boxes.. Resent-Message-ID: <"uKuXd.A.CrB.GMR00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2588 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:01:05 -0800 X-UIDL: bc62909b222e4b66a2d35ac19eba5603 Status: O X-Status: At 9:10 PM 1/28/98, CORROSIVE@aol.com wrote: >i know this is slightly off-topic, but...I almost always use funky old stomp >boxes when loooping with the Plex & Jamman, and thought it would be >interesting to hear other peoples setups or fave processors for looping. O I have 2 current faves, an original Electro-Harmonix Memory Man analog delay, and the DOD Gonkulator distortion/ring modulator. The MM is a great source of sounds on its own, by twiddling with the delay and feedback knobs, and has a very seasick-sounding chorus mode. The Gonkulator is a pretty lousy ring modulator, it only gives you a fixed 500hz modulating frequency, no external input, and it emits a constant 500hz buzz when it's engaged, whether there's any input signal or not, but, still, it's great for thin, crummy disharmonic noise. And we all love that, don't we? ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:48:54 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 29 14:14:17 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xy2DR-0001ND-00; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:13:45 -0800 From: "Jesse Kudler" To: Subject: Re: glass eno Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:00:32 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd2d01$51723ba0$714c8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"6_Fd5.A.4NH.-sP00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2586 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:13:45 -0800 X-UIDL: bbfb65d505c7bb2b3a3b2f586e2cf57e Status: O X-Status: A side note: Phillip Glass was recently parodied on the highly over-rated South Park on comedy Central, and he once got a reference on the Simpsons. "An evening with Phillip Glass. Just an evening?" -H. Simpson -Jesse -----Original Message----- From: bryan.helm@dinosaur.com To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, January 29, 1998 7:02 AM Subject: glass eno > >The recent remark concerning warped Eno vs. skipping Glass >vinyl platters ,for some reason made me think of the following: > >My one and only live P.Glass experience was a concert given >at the Museum of Contemporary Art in Cincinatti Ohio back in >1980 (?) It was a small room seating maybe 100, the ensemble >was flown in from Rotterdam,( where he was involved with his >opera in sanskrit at the time), evidently for this show. They did >selections from Einstein on the Beach and Dance 1,2&3 and a >few other pieces. The sound engineer sat in the middle of the >ensemble facing them. For all that it was "mimimalist" in nature >the overwhelming impression left on most audience members >as I recall was the sheer decibel level at which it was presented. >I got the impression that very few of these people had enjoyed >amplified music in a public performance context though to be >fair to them, the volume WAS high. > >Secondly I was reminded of a story I once heard Robert Fripp >relate concerning a performance he and Eno once did in a >bullring in Spain during the 70's. I guess the whole gig had >it's own special ambiance what with the spectacle of gun toting >Basque seperatists at the airport during their arrival,and playing >the arena floor of this bullring to boot...but anyway.He said they >played the show and towards the end, got this loop going and then >they both left the "stage" and retired to an enclosure from which >they could see the crowd through some shutters. As Eno peered >out at the crowd he was noticed and the next thing Fripp said this >fellow comes and pulls aside the shutters and says in a U.S. drawl >"Hey guys is the show over?", to which Eno replied "Well it is for >us, but not for you". > >Just a couple memories, from apparently still active brain cells >......it's an age of wonder.....I wonder where I put that?..... > > Bryan Helm > "Loop is pool backwards > and pool starts with P > which rhymes with T > that is the first letter in > the word....TROUBLE!" > > From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:49:07 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 29 15:16:03 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xy3BL-0007M3-00; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:15:39 -0800 Message-ID: <34D1063C.A43846CF@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:44:12 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: glass eno References: <01bd2d01$51723ba0$714c8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_BKbt.A.-IF.VkQ00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2587 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:15:39 -0800 X-UIDL: ec0335424dfa8c53a2fc9767881708a9 Status: O X-Status: Over rated South Park!I'd beg your pardon but it's out of the context of this group.E-mail me privatly and I'll chastise you soundly. I mean this in the best possible way, Jeff Jesse Kudler wrote: > A side note: Phillip Glass was recently parodied on the highly over-rated > South Park on comedy Central, and he once got a reference on the Simpsons. > > "An evening with Phillip Glass. Just an evening?" -H. Simpson > > -Jesse > > -----Original Message----- > From: bryan.helm@dinosaur.com > To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com > Date: Thursday, January 29, 1998 7:02 AM > Subject: glass eno > > > > >The recent remark concerning warped Eno vs. skipping Glass > >vinyl platters ,for some reason made me think of the following: > > > >My one and only live P.Glass experience was a concert given > >at the Museum of Contemporary Art in Cincinatti Ohio back in > >1980 (?) It was a small room seating maybe 100, the ensemble > >was flown in from Rotterdam,( where he was involved with his > >opera in sanskrit at the time), evidently for this show. They did > >selections from Einstein on the Beach and Dance 1,2&3 and a > >few other pieces. The sound engineer sat in the middle of the > >ensemble facing them. For all that it was "mimimalist" in nature > >the overwhelming impression left on most audience members > >as I recall was the sheer decibel level at which it was presented. > >I got the impression that very few of these people had enjoyed > >amplified music in a public performance context though to be > >fair to them, the volume WAS high. > > > >Secondly I was reminded of a story I once heard Robert Fripp > >relate concerning a performance he and Eno once did in a > >bullring in Spain during the 70's. I guess the whole gig had > >it's own special ambiance what with the spectacle of gun toting > >Basque seperatists at the airport during their arrival,and playing > >the arena floor of this bullring to boot...but anyway.He said they > >played the show and towards the end, got this loop going and then > >they both left the "stage" and retired to an enclosure from which > >they could see the crowd through some shutters. As Eno peered > >out at the crowd he was noticed and the next thing Fripp said this > >fellow comes and pulls aside the shutters and says in a U.S. drawl > >"Hey guys is the show over?", to which Eno replied "Well it is for > >us, but not for you". > > > >Just a couple memories, from apparently still active brain cells > >......it's an age of wonder.....I wonder where I put that?..... > > > > Bryan Helm > > "Loop is pool backwards > > and pool starts with P > > which rhymes with T > > that is the first letter in > > the word....TROUBLE!" > > > > From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:49:22 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 29 18:46:14 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xy6T0-0001eo-00; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:46:06 -0800 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:40:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801300240.VAA23159@cliff.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Selling stuff over the internet Resent-Message-ID: <"uUhyM.A.3VB.J3T00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2589 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:46:06 -0800 X-UIDL: 6f4b165fdf0d3a1e5c703ae102b2a63f Status: O X-Status: Ed: Ever since i made the costly error of joining this newsgroup ;) there has been only one means of satisfying my wanton lust for black boxes . . . the Net--I've purchased everything COD (unless it was about $ 50 or less and I had a good vibe from the buyer) havent' been burned yet (tosses Boss flanger pedal over left shoulder)--I basically put together my whole setup from the Net and sold some of it as well I've heard Fed X is the best to do COD from the seller's standpoint cuz' the check comes right back Fed X . . . of course it's not cheap Priority Mail is cheap, but I've lost packages AND IF YOU DO IMHO you are screwed!--though a guy shipped me a Juno 6 keyboard COD in hte mail cuz' he claimed he got his money faster from the USPS I like UPS and Fed X cuz' you can track hte package by shipping # on their Web sites--if the blip diappears from the screen, at least you can point the finger at someone good luck Tom hmmmm . . . a MIDI controller . . . Naaah, don't want to get involved in that crazy MIDI stuff . . . .still . . .it's probably cheap . . .HOW MANY RACK SPACES IS IT? At 11:36 AM 1/29/98 -0500, you wrote: >I had a question for anybody out there in loopland. I have an ADA MC-1 midi >controller for sale and I've had a response via the net, so I was wondering >what is the best way to avoid being ripped off? I've heard that shipping >COD via one of the package carriers (UPS, Fed Ex, etc) is the best way but >does anyone have advice or experiences they would like to share? Pardon my >naivete concerning this. >Thanks! >Ed > > > > > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:49:27 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 29 21:56:50 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xy7Ab-00055A-00; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:31:09 -0800 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:01:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801300301.WAA29931@newman.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: RDS 8000 sighting Resent-Message-ID: <"N_vVUC.A.9OE.UgU00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2590 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:31:09 -0800 X-UIDL: 9de5d4a2ca74eef834b203722e3283a9 Status: O X-Status: RDS 8000 we know it, we wuv it NM condition (whatever) $225 Trevor e-mail Van Eyck@interlog.com drone on~~~~Tom ps--contributions to the Digitech/Loopers web page? Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:49:26 1998 >From kflint Thu Jan 29 21:43:24 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xy9EW-0000QK-00; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:43:20 -0800 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:37:02 -0500 (EST) From: CORROSIVE@aol.com Message-ID: <980130003700_811123688@mrin52> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: funky vintage boxes.. Resent-Message-ID: <"Mg2jdB.A.QSH.GdW00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2591 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:43:20 -0800 X-UIDL: f706df58fa834c40c75bbfdc55f91e3e Status: O X-Status: hey Drew, thanks for the reply- i love talking about toys too! i've been wondering about Parker fly's (flies?) for a while... i have a bunch o vintage guitars, but also have a Steinberger i use when precision is an issue..but the lack of a headstock buggs me too much to use it live, hence the Parker interest. As for Electro Harmonix stuff, i have TONS of their pedals & they are totally the shit! never had a BadStone, but have small stone, electric mistress, clone theory, etc... both the small clone & polychorus R way cool in terms of modulation efx- big muff pi (not the deluxe big muff, tho-it doesnt sound nearly as great ) & graphic fuzz are my alltime fave distortion devices... and if U ever see a super replay, BUY IT! 4 seconds of crazy lo res looping from outer space...the attack delay is way outta control, too >>>>>>gregor From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:49:45 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 00:32:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyBri-0006C1-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:31:58 -0800 Message-ID: <05e901bd2d59$12e24580$a7f1ffd0@default> From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Re: funky vintage boxes.. Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 03:28:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"tg-vD.A.sbF.r7Y00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2596 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:31:58 -0800 X-UIDL: 4f70ce9c17a8c6a7015c6474165dce2d Status: O X-Status: Corynne, do you like the X-15??? I traded mine in on a Ground Control because I believe the X-15 essentially can control only one midi channel...is your whole rig on one midi channel?? Lucky, lucky!!! Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:49:47 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 00:50:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyC9b-0007mX-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:50:27 -0800 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 03:33:03 -0500 (EST) From: CORROSIVE@aol.com Message-ID: <980130033302_1493250286@mrin39.mx> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: funky vintage boxes.. Resent-Message-ID: <"fbxzV.A.V2G.lMZ00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2597 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:50:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 0c524f5abaf7d35da4bd3bf65ffc877b Status: O X-Status: Ok, cool- now that were being gear indulgent, how about everybody listing their top 5 loop oriented desert island discs... From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:54:42 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 11:49:06 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyMQy-0004Uv-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:49:04 -0800 Message-Id: <199801301623.IAA26866@scv3.apple.com> Subject: RE: time machines/electro harmonix! Date: Fri, 30 Jan 98 10:23:37 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"8mfOpB.A.95D.b2i00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2608 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:49:04 -0800 X-UIDL: 2bc343c2eb2f7125c07de2785cd3b4f0 Status: O X-Status: >P.S. I've heard that EH is going to reissue the 16-second, but when? >Does anybody have any info on this? I called the EH folks about this a couple of months ago, and they confirmed that it's going to be reissued, but could only say sometime in '98. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:54:35 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 11:09:12 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyLoK-000135-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:09:08 -0800 Message-ID: <34D1ACEC.C48@nyfac.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:35:25 +0000 From: tbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: funky vintage boxes.. References: <199801301424.JAA28902@mcfeely.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LA_HdC.A.rb.QQi00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2606 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:09:08 -0800 X-UIDL: dc3a47381729c81ff9e29436e42c3c5d Status: O X-Status: I have to say one of my favorite toys is my ancient pink Ibanez analog delay pedal. Crank the feedback all the way up and twiddle the time knob and the thing just goes berzerk. Great overtones on the runnaway, as well- The little bastard won't evolving the sound. Makes you wonder how long the loop is on that- .01 sec? Trevor From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:49:50 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 03:31:06 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyEf2-0006Nr-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 03:31:04 -0800 Message-ID: <003101bd2d71$a6d3e1a0$2722dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: funky vintage boxes.. Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 03:24:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"oJgr.A.JbF.Hib00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2598 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 03:31:04 -0800 X-UIDL: 9ad4ec335467a8a50b0b2ab7d64a799a Status: O X-Status: >Ok, cool- now that were being gear indulgent, how about everybody listing >their top 5 loop oriented desert island discs... Okay then! :) Rhythm Devils - The Apocalypse Sessions Robert Fripp - Let The Power Fall Genesis - The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway Sylvian/Fripp - The First Day Grateful Dead - Infrared Roses I think those could be the bearably listened to with repetition, though I'd rather just have my rig with me on a desert island, frankly. :) Stephen Goodman * Download The Loop Of The Week and more! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios *--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:49:57 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 04:46:44 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyFqC-0006Ba-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 04:46:40 -0800 Message-ID: <002301bd2d7a$d3157220$70da6f83@pt205.wolfson.cam.ac.uk> From: "Peter Thompson" To: Subject: Desert Island Discs Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:30:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"344QzC.A.qjF.csc00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2599 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 04:46:40 -0800 X-UIDL: 44eda54bfb4e3eb2ac5925d0331cae39 Status: O X-Status: Here are my five faves, for what it's worth: 1 Gone to Earth (Instrumental) - David Sylvian Why does no-one ever mention this album? It is truly the most beautiful looping album ever made, yet is roundly ignored, even by people who should know better. 2 A Blessing of Tears - Robert Fripp This is the first Fripp album to achieve something emotionally and is a billion times better than those dull solo Frippertronics things. 3 Cathedral Oceans - John Foxx Check this one out - a cross between Fripp's aBoT and Harold Budd. 4 Tripping Over God - David Torn A great variety of textures and some bottom-punting guitar playing. 5 Evening Star - Fripp and Eno Frippertronics weren't so bad when Brian lent a hand. An Index of Metals is possibly the first monumentally great looping piece. From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:49:59 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 05:11:19 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyGDy-0000tZ-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 05:11:14 -0800 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:08:38 -0600 (CST) Sender: Todd Madson From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Weird. SGE Unhappy. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"kq0JRD.A.zl.fDd00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2600 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 05:11:14 -0800 X-UIDL: cc37b75c6a94856f70e539db8121d60c Status: O X-Status: Weird. My secondary delay/looping rack is inoperative, sort of. It's almost like its on strike. My ART SGE (who most people hate but I like it's delay/modulation reverb FX) seems to still work as far as its analog effects, but all the delay/modulation/reverb effects produce this kind of sound if you put something through it: GGGhhHhhhSfhfffffxxxxxx.................... It's like an instant grungifier. All of the controls still seem to work, I tried resetting to factory defaults and that didn't work either. The sound is best described as a combination of: 60 hz hum, white noise, and and horribly distorted jiggling. If I use the analog effects (compressor, eq, etc) they seem to work. I guess I should write the ART people and ask them what's happening. I get catalogs in the mail from new and used gear companies all the time and still see the damn things for sale for about $250 or so, so I guess it's worth getting fixed. Plus, Trey Gunn has one and I can hear on his albums when he uses it. He uses it for the same things that I do, oddly enough. The digital chorus is especially nice. I still have my Vortex of course. Maybe I should go to a local gear emporium and look at the cast off guitars by frustrated teens who couldn't master the Eaug9 chord. From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:50:02 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 06:33:22 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyHVO-0001rs-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 06:33:18 -0800 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:24:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801301424.JAA28902@mcfeely.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: funky vintage boxes.. Resent-Message-ID: <"dvytzD.A.sS.VKe00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2601 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 06:33:18 -0800 X-UIDL: e97afcc96066ed7124f142b8fbc8e53c Status: O X-Status: Old Ross AC powered flanger pedal--flange isn't as extreme as my Boss, but the tone is really nice also have been playing with a Boss LMB-3 (bass enhancer--compressor-limiter)--not vintage, but kind of a quick and dirty soltution to cleaning up muddy didgeridoo and bass without resorting to . . . THE RACK and of course the RDS 8000 wonderbox--it slices, it dices, it slaps back . . . . thanks for sharing, Tom " . . . thin . . CRUMMY . .disharmonic . . .NOISE . . . . . DAOOOOOOOHHH!" At 01:27 PM 1/29/98 -0800, you wrote: >At 9:10 PM 1/28/98, CORROSIVE@aol.com wrote: >>i know this is slightly off-topic, but...I almost always use funky old stomp >>boxes when loooping with the Plex & Jamman, and thought it would be >>interesting to hear other peoples setups or fave processors for looping. O > >I have 2 current faves, an original Electro-Harmonix Memory Man analog >delay, and the DOD Gonkulator distortion/ring modulator. The MM is a great >source of sounds on its own, by twiddling with the delay and feedback >knobs, and has a very seasick-sounding chorus mode. The Gonkulator is a >pretty lousy ring modulator, it only gives you a fixed 500hz modulating >frequency, no external input, and it emits a constant 500hz buzz when it's >engaged, whether there's any input signal or not, but, still, it's great >for thin, crummy disharmonic noise. And we all love that, don't we? > >________________________________________________________ >Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ > >"...there will come a day when you won't have to use >gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in >your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper >type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em >together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em >together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." > -Sun Ra >________________________________________________________ > > > > > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:50:29 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 10:04:42 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyKni-0001Ly-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:04:26 -0800 From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <6d0b0fb7.34d1e2ea@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:25:43 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Signal Path Necromancy Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"w2kuB.A.6_G.lOh00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2604 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:04:26 -0800 X-UIDL: d0bfead65fee00b837a5e2a77f29e793 Status: O X-Status: am i missing a piece of yer puzzle, here? or: why dontcha just patch the looper input on a pre-fader fx send, so's ya can selectively send channel signals to it? in the case of stereo channels being sent, you could: a) use yer ganged stereo channels, ifya have 'em (w/single-control sends for stereo), 2) send only one side of the stereo pic, asyer gonna be mucking all kindsa phase to/inside yer mono looper, anyhow..... *) make a physical bridge tween 2 of yer adjacent channel sends, so whenya move one, ya moves de udder. but: did i understood yer question correctly? dt From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:54:33 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 10:54:24 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyLa1-0007Gi-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:54:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: re: 5 loopin' choices Message-ID: <19980130.104529.4951.0.DOINA@juno.com> References: <980130033302_1493250286@mrin39.mx> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-22 From: doina@juno.com (doina o o) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:47:13 EST Resent-Message-ID: <"Xjq0uD.A.5UG.BBi00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2605 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:54:21 -0800 X-UIDL: 864c2275b07215a35c4ccb7f98bd1be8 Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 30 Jan 1998 03:33:03 -0500 (EST) CORROSIVE@aol.com writes: >Ok, cool- now that were being gear indulgent, how about everybody >listing >their top 5 loop oriented desert island discs...> great idea ! ..."discs"... can i change that to "works"? 1. music of the pygmies of Central Africa (especially "choir yodels") 2. Steve Reich's work (Piano Phase being the most seraphic) 3. Ingram Marshall - Hidden Voices 4. Maurice Ravel - Bolero 5. the choir of my "plex"ed voice (i wasn't a narcist before the plex) Also, any of you has a copy of the first "loopers CD"? smiles ! (Corynne, can i use it, pleeeease! ) Paparuda _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 09:29:56 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 07:58:05 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzOG2-0002nI-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:58:02 -0800 Message-ID: <001c01bd2d97$2da45d20$2222dacf@stepheng> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: Different EBows was Re: Another NAMM Report Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:53:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"hYaqvC.A.4HC.Cwe10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2679 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:58:02 -0800 X-UIDL: edfc5fbcf676bb01534011ba769cdc57 Status: O X-Status: From: Tom Lambrecht >How about an E-Bow or clone that actually works on bass ??? It's interesting given all this chatter - when I exchanged a few emails over a year ago with the folks at E-Bow, they said that a unit that works on bass is their Highest Request, the second place going to a multiple-string unit. Alas. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:54:37 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 11:19:15 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyLy0-0001yz-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:19:08 -0800 Message-ID: <34D1FA3D.3972@bgnet.bgsu.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:05:17 -0500 From: Jeff Schwartz X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Stephen P. Goodman" CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Top 5 References: <003101bd2d71$a6d3e1a0$2722dacf@sgoodman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"R9bcpC.A.H5.aUi00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2607 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:19:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 5ea2c48b06b1f170f94b153813a3a97a Status: O X-Status: James Brown-Star Time Public Enemy-Fear of a Black Planet Golden Rain: Balinese Gamelan Music/Ketjak: the Ramayana Monkey Chant Jaco Pastorius-Honestly Elliot Sharp (w/ Mike Watt & George Hurley)-Bootstrappers -- Jeff Schwartz jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:54:57 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 13:46:09 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyOGD-0006mr-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:46:05 -0800 Message-Id: <199801301652.JAA01998@hyper.dimensional.com> From: "Scott Bullerwell" To: Subject: Re: Re: funky vintage boxes.. Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:46:33 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ykhj-.A.YDG.iik00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2611 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:46:05 -0800 X-UIDL: 53369b464b94d2b8f65d086e77596c65 Status: O X-Status: gregor wrote: > i've been wondering about Parker fly's (flies?) for a while... i have a bunch > o vintage guitars, but also have a Steinberger i use when precision is an > issue..but the lack of a headstock buggs me too much to use it live, hence > the Parker interest. I like the overall feel and playability of Parker's Fly. However, I found the piezo pickups made the entire instrument extremely microphonic and sensitive to handling noise, esp. the noise my admittedly ham-fisted handling of the vibrato arm generates. Also, the piezos tended to squeal at modest volumes. Apart from that: it's very lightweight, has a nicely resonant tone (with the piezos blended into the mag pickups), and stays in tune like crazy. In that respect it's comparable to the Carvin Holdsworth (which would make a strong man cry, it's so sweet). Scott Bullerwell Boulder, Colorado, USA tanelorn@dimensional.com From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:55:28 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 16:39:14 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyQxk-0005Qt-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:39:12 -0800 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:55:26 -0500 From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) Message-Id: <199801301655.AA16609@world.std.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Selling stuff over the internet Resent-Message-ID: <"cc-d_.A.KnD.c_m00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2614 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:39:12 -0800 X-UIDL: d75acb3b78c6578b4e708058c9b9cd54 Status: O X-Status: [buying used through the mail] >Never have I had a bad piece of gear. Obviously this is anecdotal. Some people won't get burned and some people will. I appear to have gotten burned with my Vortex. It's possible that this problem has only recently developed, but I'm quite sure I'd never bothered trying this before. I finally (four months after buying it!) decided to give its morphing capabilities a work out--until now I just morphed between existing patches. (And mostly I didn't morph at all because I use it as a post-loop processor.) So I was going to morph between a patch and "itself" (a variant of itself), so I copied the patch from an A register to a B register. Lo and behold, I have discovered that this Vortex flakes out on exactly this operation (goodness knows this doesn't make any sense as either a hardware problem or a software problem, as far as I can see). If a patch is copied from A to B, it comes out entirely messed up (and non-musical) in B--generally either extremely muted and in (apparent) mono, or loud and horribly (digitally?) clipped, generally in a different way in L & R channels, or it self-oscillates in some way producing very loud randomly squiggling unmusical noise. Sometimes, switching away to another patch and then back changes the mode of the behavior. Powering the Vortex down and back up doesn't make any difference. Copying from B to A does not exhibit this problem, I believe. I'm not sure how exhaustive my testing was at the time. Hmm, I'm not even sure I ever copied from one B to another B. Anyway, obviously, for Vortex and Jamman you've got to buy used. Caveat emptor, I suppose. Sean Barrett From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:50:26 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 09:56:59 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyKgQ-0000B3-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:56:54 -0800 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:27:57 -0500 (EST) From: Monkici@aol.com Message-ID: <980130122757_975142935@mrin52> To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: jamman update chips? Resent-Message-ID: <"rZpfN.A.V3F.eHh00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2603 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:56:54 -0800 X-UIDL: fa512ee9d62a7c27b14fa38d23b19d0c Status: O X-Status: could someone please e-mail me directly the phone/address for inexpensive upgrade memory for lex jamMan. any help is greatly appreciated... rich 513 861 1687 From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:55:43 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 17:29:21 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyN4R-0000IU-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:29:51 -0800 Message-Id: <199801302021.NAA02845@hyper.dimensional.com> From: "Scott Bullerwell" To: Subject: Re: Signal Path Necromancy Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:15:43 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rHcIUC.A.LoG.8Vj00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2609 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:29:51 -0800 X-UIDL: 83c11b4abeab9cce98889023191cb8a3 Status: O X-Status: Doktor Dave said: > am i missing a piece of yer puzzle, here? or: > why dontcha just patch the looper input on a pre-fader fx send, so's ya can > selectively send channel signals to it? Hmm... that IS pretty simple and elegant. In fact, I had it set up that way initially and now I can't remember why I changed it. FX send to looper in, looper out to vacant channel on the mixer, then bring up the FX level on that channel. All I gotta do is bring up the master send level on the FX send and the return level on the channels in question. That indeed sends dry signal to the looper which solves the puzzle. Thank you, kind sir. Okay, here's another puzzle: What the hell was I thinking? Scott Bullerwell tanelorn@dimensional.com Boulder, Colorado, USA From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:54:47 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 12:38:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyNCq-0000n0-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:38:32 -0800 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:30:35 -0500 (EST) From: Nick Ring X-Sender: nick@plato To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: jamman update chips? In-Reply-To: <980130122757_975142935@mrin52> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"INYDgC.A.Ld.Jjj00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2610 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:38:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 2976e3374b0910c9d6b2cc6887dccf46 Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 30 Jan 1998 Monkici@aol.com wrote: > could someone please e-mail me directly the phone/address for inexpensive > upgrade memory for lex jamMan. any help is greatly appreciated... rich, I don't have a jamman, but I saved this info in case I ever got one. I don't know what the latest is, but: This might be old news, but I just bought the 32 second upgrade for my JamMan at a place called L.A. Trade (800-433-3726) for a measly $44. My friend paid over $100 for his 2 years ago. that was dated in october. Hope it helps. -nick From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:55:42 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 17:20:09 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyRbG-0003C0-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:20:02 -0800 X-Sender: bahnc2@mail.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD014CC08@migarexch01.maritz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:30:19 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Curtis Bahn Subject: RE: time machines/electro harmonix! Resent-Message-ID: <"9DI9HB.A.ZiB.Kmn00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2615 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:20:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 03ab3564bf6c790b951ba194a55e6e4a Status: O X-Status: I can scan the EH16 manual if someone wants it or wants to post it. crb >P.S. I've heard that EH is going to reissue the 16-second, but when? >Does anybody have any info on this? > >steuart > >> ---------- >> From: Liebig, Steuart A. >> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 1998 9:14 AM >> To: Liebig, Steuart A.; 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' >> Subject: RE: time machines/electro harmonix! >> >> I second the request for an EH 16-second delay manual. There's a guy >> who sells copies for $1.50 a page, but that seems a little high . . . >> >> steuart >> >> ---------- >> From: CORROSIVE@aol.com >> Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 1998 4:17 AM >> To: LiebigSA@maritz.com >> Subject: time machines/electro harmonix! >> >> hey, I just found my manual for the RDS-8000...spose i could >> scan it if >> anybody cares. I also have one for the EH super replay- anybody >> out there >> have the EH 16 sec dig delay manual scanned?? that would be cool >> to check out >> >>>>gregor >> >> From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:55:13 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 14:56:21 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyPMA-0007HC-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:56:18 -0800 From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:41:35 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, stickwire-l@netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Stick/Loop Gig Content-type: text/plain X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 85 Resent-Message-ID: <"5MmdV.A.y3F.Zil00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2612 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:56:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 9490fb2a39355611b7fdf65415254c58 Status: O X-Status: Sat. Jan. 31st 8:00pm w/"Adelante" at A.J. Muggas Uncommon Grounds, S. Park St., Merchantville, New Jersey (609) 317-0199. Adelante is: J.Jody Janetta (Percussion/Treated Voice), Paul Mimlitsch (Chapman Stick¨/Loops), Michael Robbins (Violin/Viola). <> From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:55:52 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 18:38:53 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xySpR-0006Bt-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:38:45 -0800 X-Sender: doug@mail.lightlink.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:46:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Doug Wyatt Subject: Re: Stick/Loop Gig Resent-Message-ID: <"H658MC.A.LaE.Lwo00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2616 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:38:45 -0800 X-UIDL: eaea149ebd7c614a783b5bc580fb6ed0 Status: O X-Status: At 17:41 -0500 1/30/98, PMimlitsch@aol.com wrote: > Sat. Jan. 31st 8:00pm w/"Adelante" at A.J. Muggas Uncommon Grounds, S. Park > St., Merchantville, New Jersey (609) 317-0199. Adelante is: J.Jody Janetta > (Percussion/Treated Voice), Paul Mimlitsch (Chapman Stick¨/Loops), Michael > Robbins (Violin/Viola). > <> Hi ... just thought I'd hop in here to note that there should be an ell (adelante.html) on the end of that URL. Have a good gig! Doug --- Doug Wyatt Sonosphere - music and music software doug@sonosphere.com http://www.sonosphere.com/ From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:55:27 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 16:34:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyQt8-0004o9-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:34:26 -0800 Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD014CC14@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Re: funky vintage boxes.. Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:12:59 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"sEzXl.A.cBD.K7m00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2613 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:34:26 -0800 X-UIDL: c32b8b314b62b2aefd57284965dc0fdc Status: O X-Status: I use 6-string basses with a piezo film pickup under each bridge. This is precisely to GET body resonances/squeals, etc. In addition to the already mentioned body resonance, you can play the body like a drum or play the strings behind the bridge or behind the nut (particularly effective when used with fuzz). This can lead to some really incredible industrial sounding loops or other mayhem. So . . . piezos are recommended. steuart > ---------- > From: Scott Bullerwell > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Friday, January 30, 1998 1:46 PM > To: LiebigSA@maritz.com > Subject: Re: Re: funky vintage boxes.. > > gregor wrote: > > > i've been wondering about Parker fly's (flies?) for a while... i > have a > bunch > > o vintage guitars, but also have a Steinberger i use when precision > is an > > issue..but the lack of a headstock buggs me too much to use it live, > hence > > the Parker interest. > > I like the overall feel and playability of Parker's Fly. However, I > found > the piezo pickups made the entire instrument extremely microphonic and > sensitive to handling noise, esp. the noise my admittedly ham-fisted > handling of the vibrato arm generates. Also, the piezos tended to > squeal > at modest volumes. Apart from that: it's very lightweight, has a > nicely > resonant tone (with the piezos blended into the mag pickups), and > stays in > tune like crazy. In that respect it's comparable to the Carvin > Holdsworth > (which would make a strong man cry, it's so sweet). > > Scott Bullerwell > Boulder, Colorado, USA > tanelorn@dimensional.com > > > From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:56:09 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 21:29:32 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyVUZ-0005q5-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:29:23 -0800 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:26:41 -0500 (EST) From: VanEyck To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" cc: "Liebig, Steuart A." Subject: RE: time machines/electro harmonix! In-Reply-To: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD014CC06@migarexch01.maritz.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"RVd1W.A.BPE.jRr00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2623 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:29:23 -0800 X-UIDL: dc1a285bf10b005fb563776a8082911f Status: O X-Status: I have two versions of the manual I could copy but I cannot scan them. I will mail them to whomever could put them on the page. Best, TREVOR. VanEyck@interlog.com On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: > I second the request for an EH 16-second delay manual. There's a guy > who sells copies for $1.50 a page, but that seems a little high . . . > > steuart > > > ---------- > > From: CORROSIVE@aol.com > > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 1998 4:17 AM > > To: LiebigSA@maritz.com > > Subject: time machines/electro harmonix! > > > > hey, I just found my manual for the RDS-8000...spose i could scan it > > if > > anybody cares. I also have one for the EH super replay- anybody out > > there > > have the EH 16 sec dig delay manual scanned?? that would be cool to > > check out > > >>>>gregor > > > > From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:55:52 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 18:39:00 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xySpW-0006Ch-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:38:50 -0800 Message-ID: <34D28DAF.298B@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:34:23 -0500 From: djdowling@earthlink.net Reply-To: djdowling@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Desert Island Discs References: <002301bd2d7a$d3157220$70da6f83@pt205.wolfson.cam.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LbSDw.A.YcE.Ywo00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2617 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:38:50 -0800 X-UIDL: ab76d867f6ec70d3f4b33b670e6e6d61 Status: O X-Status: Peter Thompson wrote: > 1 Gone to Earth (Instrumental) - David Sylvian > Why does no-one ever mention this album? It is truly the most beautiful > looping album ever made, yet is roundly ignored, even by people who should > know better. Word up, brother. Dave From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:55:54 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 18:55:41 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyT5i-0000dz-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:55:34 -0800 Message-ID: <34D29186.211A@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:50:46 -0500 From: djdowling@earthlink.net Reply-To: djdowling@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Spaghetti etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tfDax.A.0gG.FAp00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2618 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:55:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 7f72e5bd8cbf69f993da79ab4e3fd807 Status: O X-Status: Random set-up questions: I have: Guitar w/ gk 2a -> gr-30 -> synth out in stereo to mixer guitar send to whammy, wah then to PSA 1 PSA stereo out to vortex Vortex stereo out to mixer 2 questions. 1. The vortex is stereo and I can't sacrifice both Aux sends on the mixer, the result is the varying level of the PSA (from patch to patch) is sometimes too high for the vortex and it distorts, and I turn it down and then up and then down... If you were me, where would you put your Vortex? 2. I want to add a volume pedal to the guitar path. If you were me, where would you put it? and would it be stereo or mono. Thanks as always, Dave From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:55:56 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 19:20:13 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyTTU-00040X-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:20:08 -0800 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:06:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801310306.WAA07526@marconi.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: RE: time machines/electro harmonix! Resent-Message-ID: <"pjMeCC.A.DMC.0Vp00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2619 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:20:08 -0800 X-UIDL: d846bb3ab733c4066db6da1ca77765dd Status: O X-Status: At 11:14 AM 1/29/98 -0600, you wrote: >I second the request for an EH 16-second delay manual. There's a guy >who sells copies for $1.50 a page, but that seems a little high . . . > >steuart > LITTLE HIGH???????--that kind of nosebleed drug pusher mentality is what gives used equipment dealers the same street cred as kiddie pornographers and career politicians >P.S. I've heard that EH is going to reissue the 16-second, but when? >Does anybody have any info on this? > >steuart > sorry for those who have already heard this litany but the last word I got from EH/Sovtek was that both the Micro Synth and 16 sec delay would come out in '98 in that order funny, I was just talking to a gear junkie in WI who I bought my Vortex from--the Micro Synth was the most expensive pedal he ever bought at about $350 (even more than the PDS 8000 (pedal version of the RDS) that we were unknowingly engaged in a bidding war over on Rogue Music's auction site . . .speaking of vintage crack dealers . . . dronedornedronedroendronronronednednednednednedned on~~~~~~Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:56:12 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 21:50:22 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyVop-0000hZ-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:50:19 -0800 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:18:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801310318.WAA11137@marconi.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: jamman 32-sec upgrade chips Resent-Message-ID: <"ZGJDWB.A.p.ipr00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2625 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:50:19 -0800 X-UIDL: b727180e2a92175e1e2e376fc4953344 Status: O X-Status: Check Visionsoft in Carmel, CA at http://www.visionsoft.com I lost their toll-free (on hte Web site), but tech # is 408.626.2633 4 (four) 14PGPZ7 1x4 70 nS ZIP @ 7.95 totalled $38.80 (inc. $7 freight--a leeettle high for 6 ounces of IC's but at that price, I didn't even whine) Just ask for Jamman chips--they'll know exactly what you need Got this from someone in Loopers--bless you Tom At 03:30 PM 1/30/98 -0500, you wrote: > > >On Fri, 30 Jan 1998 Monkici@aol.com wrote: >> could someone please e-mail me directly the phone/address for inexpensive >> upgrade memory for lex jamMan. any help is greatly appreciated... > > >rich, I don't have a jamman, but I saved this info in case I ever got one. >I don't know what the latest is, but: > >This might be old news, but I just bought the 32 second upgrade for my >JamMan > at a place called L.A. Trade (800-433-3726) for a measly $44. My friend >paid > over $100 for his 2 years ago. > > > that was dated in october. Hope it helps. > > -nick > > > > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:55:59 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 19:49:21 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyTva-00009N-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:49:10 -0800 From: KemMc@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:36:26 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #25 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"O-QMwB.A.s9F.jxp00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2621 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:49:10 -0800 X-UIDL: e2f28a50681a858b4923c0f924a2f587 Status: O X-Status: Hi loopy folks, You need to check out metasynth, Its a cool computer based mega synthesizer and is as unique as "rebirth" and does some great loops, but they are synthetic. it samples too. Theres a free demo at www.uisoftware.com. its so cool I had to tell someone kemmc@aol.com From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 00:15:09 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 19:44:42 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzZHs-00005U-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:44:40 -0800 Message-ID: <003c01bd2df9$b4c72aa0$b122dacf@stepheng> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: Location. Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:38:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"tSiquD.A.ruG.iFp10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2737 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:44:40 -0800 X-UIDL: 5964aec182c5c5273c057c05d0da4707 Status: O X-Status: Alhambra, CA here - just south of Pasadena. Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:56:02 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 19:56:28 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyU2U-000164-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:56:18 -0800 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:43:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801310343.WAA18174@marconi.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: RE: EH/Time machines on Loopers site? Resent-Message-ID: <"EYq6wC.A.X1G.-3p00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2622 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:56:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 6c5be1ed9706f6289cc212e62cc07f2c Status: O X-Status: CRB: I don't know if Kim is prepared to add your EH scans to the Loopers Web site, but they sure would look good there . . . as would the RDS 8000 manual for those not fortunate enough to have one by the way, still waiting for the immense flow of Time Machine tips to start streaming in for editing and inclusion on the Web site--remember, it has the official blessing of the KimMeister. Also anyone know how to do this HTML thing who wants to get the Time Machine pge cranking--(my dark secret--I can't even do the MIDI thing much less the HTML hting--hell, I can't even keep my "t"s and "h"s straight when I get excited (and I'm an excitable boy) Tom At 06:30 PM 1/30/98 -0400, you wrote: >I can scan the EH16 manual if someone wants it or wants to post it. >crb >>>At 3:51 PM -0500 1/20/98, Tom Lambrecht wrote: >>Kim: >> >>I'm, assuming that if some misguided soul CENSORED compiling various boring >>technical minutiae DELETED into a FAQ that less than a handful of people will ever >>see RESRICTED >> >>that you would turn the text file into a finished Loopers Web page complete >>with TOP SECRET on a vintage >>RDS 8000 with Real-Time Audio and Puddling Video and Java and . . . . >> >>Ahem . . well if that is the case, (and if and only the rest of the Deviate >>League of Time Machinists contribute to the project), I'd have a go . SNIP >ok, you're on. Although, don't expect me to be doing all that java and >video stuff. I don't have time to do it or even learn how! The most I ever >figured out was how to make something into a basic web page, and for that I >just use the free html composer that comes with netscape. I'd encourage you >to go ahead and do that much, because it's easy and if you wait for me to >do it, it'll take forever. Or partner up with another time-machine fanatic >to help you out. > >but hey, thanks for offering to pitch in! I'll ask one of my numerous >supermodel friends to pay you a visit. > >kim > > >>>> >>>> hey, if someone wants to scan the manual, I'd be happy to put it on the >>>> website. >>>> >>>> Also, lots of great info has been posted about this box. It would be great >>>> if someone could complile it all into a FAQ for the Time Machine page. That >>>> poor lonely page sure could use someone to take care of it! >>>> >>>> Just think of the fame and self promotion it would gain you... Looper's >>>> Delight gets over 3000 hits a week. All those people looking at YOUR >>>> handywork....imagine: the job offers come streaming in....overflowing bank >>>> accounts....new home studio toys....parties with rock stars and super >>>> models....it could all be yours, just for one measly web page..... >>>> >>>> kim >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>>> Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >>>> kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >>>> http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> >>> Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:56:10 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 21:36:45 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyVba-0006lC-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:36:38 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980130233131.007b55e0@mail.nash.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:31:31 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com Subject: NAMM Report Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"RUO8dB.A.soF.6br00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2624 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:36:38 -0800 X-UIDL: a596040f324910afa28f23609a0581c2 Status: O X-Status: Loopish Ones- Just thought I'd give a semi-mid show hello from L.A. Kim was kind enough to stop by the both and give me my first professional demo of the EDP. I am more impressed with it and y'all than ever. Saturday at 1:00 the Loopers Delight Luncheon commences at the Oberheim booth. I am anxious to see who shows up. Anyone with a NAMM badge and a clue who wants to take a stab at demo-ing the EDP in our booth is welcome to come see me and we'll turn the klieg on ya. BTW, thanks to all of you who helped make the EDP such a success. We really would not be here without you. I'll say more when I have more to say... Oh, yeah. I met Brian Kehew of The Moog Cookbook. He is wise in the ways of science. See him at Black Market Music for all your funky gadget needs. And check out the Cookbook's new release "Ye Olde Space Band". I laughed. I cried.I grooved. I coveted my neighbor's OB-8. Tom From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 10:02:28 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 06:47:22 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzjdB-0002Ju-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 06:47:21 -0800 Message-ID: <003701bd2e56$b48c4a40$c722dacf@stepheng> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Frippery vs. Bitchery Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 06:44:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"AHcrf.A.T3B.R1y10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2757 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 06:47:21 -0800 X-UIDL: 4fab12d13ad61e50ebd2f86cacd462d7 Status: O X-Status: You know, at no point in this strangely looping discussion has anyone talked about the idea that - wonder of wonders! - perhaps RF LIKES what he's doing right now...! I believe we've all been there, hm? But if you're looking for blazingly fast technique guitar, go listen to one of the fellows from the G3 tour. Amongst the things I get out of listening to music (and yes! Fripp's work too), "being impressed" is not high on my list of expectations before the performance. Just listen to it, and if you don't like it, listen to something else. I just think this bitching about his work is pointless unless someone can come up with an alternative guitarist/style/etc that one likes Better. Or perhaps it's your own work you like better, just say so. Who ever said it was supposed to be exciting ALL the time anyway? Or did yez think it was a marketing ploy when Fripp said (back in the early 80s, pre-KC2) that at times he made an effort to be as boring as humanly possible? I'd have kept my keyboard untouched on this one, if it had not denigrated into this whiningly annoying bit. It smacks a bit of the Satriani-heads who were also disappointed in Soundscape works. Oh brother, whatta buncha consumers THEY are. :) Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios >>..whatever... i agree - it's some of fripp's most..... non exciting stuff. >>but , yes, i respect the fact - that was what he was going for.. but on the >>2 soundsscape CDs i have , plus the G3 show, it never seemed to take off, >>beyond simplistic, basic synth patches thru cool stereo FX. not as >>adventurous as he usually is, by far! >> >>andre' >> >> > >This is a good point. Fripp does rely too much on synth patches. Now that >can sometimes work very effectively such as on A Blessing of Tears, but more >often than not it just gets cloying. I would like to see him use the >natural sound of the guitar more - essentially i would like him to sound >like a guitarist, rather than a keyboard player. > >Pete > > > From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:56:36 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 31 08:53:41 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xygAk-0007L5-00; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:53:38 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.2.16.19980128071736.304fd73a@texas.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:48:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: TEST 31 Jan Resent-Message-ID: <"jhNudD.A.TVG.aY100"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2627 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:53:38 -0800 X-UIDL: db2dc1faddf3bddd2f28fc9ac1d5147f Status: O X-Status: TEST 31 Jan Could it be that I am back on at last? From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:56:48 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 31 11:21:59 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyiUE-0003mr-00; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:21:54 -0800 From: Fmplautus@aol.com Message-ID: <7c679bbe.34d378a5@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:16:51 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: TEST 31 Jan Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 78 Resent-Message-ID: <"4721CB.A.y9C.xi300"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2628 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:21:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 1994f4bedaeb6456936a2cd6034f00b8 Status: O X-Status: yes you are back on From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:56:57 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 31 15:47:19 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xymd3-0003wx-00; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:47:17 -0800 Message-ID: <34D3AC38.AD3A1B41@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:57:01 -0700 From: William Moyer Reply-To: vargo2muse@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Any Hot News? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CtniCB.A.pZD.Qd700"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2629 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:47:17 -0800 X-UIDL: aedd34bae7dd67db3c20c61b5e8e26e0 Status: O X-Status: Hey you insider NAMM goers, What's the news? I'm especially wondering if the Boomerang folks are there, and if they've finished the new software chip? Are there any new choices for us loopy folks? Sorry , if I sound over anxious, but I am . Thanks, Bill From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:56:59 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 31 17:10:13 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xynvE-0002G9-00; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:10:08 -0800 X-Sender: landman@mail.wco.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:09:58 -0700 To: vargo2muse@earthlink.net From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: Any Hot News? New Looper! Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"JB_WR.A.jvB.Yq800"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2630 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:10:08 -0800 X-UIDL: ca849179a35c234f2193258711f84cce Status: O X-Status: >Hey you insider NAMM goers, What's the news? I'm especially >wondering if the Boomerang folks are there, and if they've finished the >new software chip? Are there any new choices for us loopy folks? Sorry >, if I sound over anxious, but I am . >Thanks, Bill Well, I'm not at NAMM, but noticed DOD (of all people) announced a 24 second, approx. $300 rack sampler, the Dimension 12. Numerous knobs, pads for triggering either four 6 second samples or two 12 second samples. Reverse playback and lfo control of playback speed, looping, retriggering for stuttering fx, etc. Looks interesting for the Loopers Delight crowdÉ Check out Harmony Central. Mark From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:57:00 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 31 17:12:10 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xynx9-0002UA-00; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:12:07 -0800 From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:06:07 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Another NAMM Report Content-type: text/plain X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"2il68B.A.R2B.Yr800"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2631 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:12:07 -0800 X-UIDL: f8187f0b799bec5f58a14bf69509a411 Status: O X-Status: Of possible interest to looping guitarists (mostly): I was lucky enough to spend Thursday at NAMM, and spotted these cool new toys: Lexicon is going for guitarists in a big way, with their ãCustom Shopä, complete with Harley-Davidson-esque Logo (everyone KNOWS what macho bruisers we guitarists are, right?), and the input (endorsement?) of Eddie Kramer, who was wandering around the booth as I listened. The current product line includes: 1. A revamped version of the MPX -1, called the MPX G2, which will reportedly do everything the -1 will, but has a new analog section for distortion/preamp stuff and classic stomp box emulations (they list Uni-Vibe, Cry Baby, Dyna Comp, Vox...), an effects loop so you can position your own preamp (or whatever) after some effects and before others, front-panel EQ knobs and headphone jack, intelligent pitch shifting, AND.... 20 sec. of full bandwidth delay (stereo I think). Will be about $200 more than the MPX and is coming 2nd quarter 98---their R1 Remote Foot switch will be updated to handle it, and will include a readout for the tuner thatâs in the G2. Oh, it doesnât seem to have the digital I/O--too bad! 2. The Signature 284 All tube Class A Stereo Guitar Amplifier, optimized for recording and direct use, with about 6 watts of power and compensated recording outs that come after the power section and include passive loading--2-space rack mount, single channel with a boost switch and four tone knobs. This thing was designed by John McIntyre, who used to write for Guitar Player and is based on a similar piece he designed that the Lace-Sensor folks were offering last year. It too has an effects loop (tube driven stereo) and slave outs. I heard it played both thru cabinets and direct thru monitors and it was very sweet...the demonstrator could really do the SRV thing and it sounded almost exactly the same when he switched from cab to monitors. Should be about $999, and in stores in April. 3. Theyâre coming out with cabs, too--I saw a little stereo thing that probably had 2 tens in it... Theyâre also offering a low-end dual stereo multifx called the MPX100 with Vortex-like selection knobs, MIDI, digital outs, pitch shifting, reverb, and 5.7 sec of delay. When asked about looping, my contact claimed that theyâd been kicking themselves over dropping the Jamman, since they started getting big orders shortly thereafter, and would ãdefinitelyä be back in the looping game ãsoon.ä Electro-Harmonix guy told me that the 16-sec delay was still in the works, and would be ãexactly the same...ä DOD guy told me that their 98 pedal with 8-sec. delays was ãdelayed...but coming!ä tc electronicâs FireworX multifx looked extremely powerful, like a second-gen G-Force that even includes a MIDI-addressable mono synth, has programmable ãinsertä capabilities--like an fx loop using either the digital or analog i/o that youâre not already using, as far as I can figure--programmable feedback loops, modulatable modulators (including a kind of mini sequencer called ãfreeformä), and you can divide up the dsp horsepower any way you want, using multiple blocks of any algorithms that use less than 50% of the resources. The front-panel block buttons include Dynamic, Filters, Formant, Distort, Vocode, Synth, Pitch, Chorus, Delay, Reverb, Pan, and EQ...and there are ring mod, noise, and reverse delay options, altho the delay times didnât appear to be any longer than on the G-Force (well under 2 sec). Other toys: Danelectro is back making guitars...copies of the originals that will list for $299...no Long Horns or sitars,...yet! Plus they have a vintage delay pedal (and a tuner)... The New E-Bow has an octave-up switch... Digitechâs Space Station pedal sounds good doing its reverse-delay thing, and ring modulating... Rocktron has a new floor version of their Taboo preamp/fx...the Taboo Artist... Mesa Boogie has a new 1-space non-MIDI preamp, a 3-channel job with stereo recording outs, fx loop, footswitch and graphic EQ thatâll be $699...they call it the Formula Preamp. Roland had some neat stuff (a 24-bit 8-in, 16-out version of the VS-880 with a bigger screen, a super phrase sampler that caches directly to a zip drive for about 26 minutes of stereo sampling and used 2 simultaneous Dimension Beam controllers to modulate fx or control audio....), but nothing new on the guitar front. The VG-8 is still in the catalog, tho... If youâve got a Mac and like to make sounds with it, MetaSynth is a little wonder boy! Eric Wenger, the inventor of it (and Bryce...jeez!), gave me about a 20-min demo that was sheer amazement...cross convolving audio morphs, granular synthesis, paint-brush filter creation, all the typical fx and sound design algos, works with imported audio or generates its own sounds using up to 400 oscillators (on a 200Mhz Mac)....$250. Believe me, it was PAINful to have to leave the show before I saw more! david From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:57:03 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 31 17:44:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyoRy-0004v2-00; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:43:58 -0800 From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <6467023b.34d3d29e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:40:43 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Another NAMM Report Content-type: text/plain X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"Vmk73.A.uTE.tK900"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2632 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:43:58 -0800 X-UIDL: ac46a8a125c8feccb3653c59f0801f41 Status: O X-Status: sorry about the format of that post...I just pasted it in from Simple Text; dunno why it got so screwed up..here it is again: I was lucky enough to spend Thursday at NAMM, and spotted these cool new toys: Lexicon is going for guitarists in a big way, with their ãCustom Shopä, complete with Harley-Davidson-esque Logo (everyone KNOWS what macho bruisers we guitarists are, right?), and the input (endorsement?) of Eddie Kramer, who was wandering around the booth as I listened. The current product line includes: 1. A revamped version of the MPX -1, called the MPX G2, which will reportedly do everything the -1 will, but has a new analog section for distortion/preamp stuff and classic stomp box emulations (they list Uni-Vibe, Cry Baby, Dyna Comp, Vox...), an effects loop so you can position your own preamp (or whatever) after some effects and before others, front-panel EQ knobs and headphone jack, intelligent pitch shifting, AND.... 20 sec. of full bandwidth delay (stereo I think). Will be about $200 more than the MPX and is coming 2nd quarter 98---their R1 Remote Foot switch will be updated to handle it, and will include a readout for the tuner thatâs in the G2. Oh, it doesnât seem to have the digital I/O--too bad! 2. The Signature 284 All tube Class A Stereo Guitar Amplifier, optimized for recording and direct use, with about 6 watts of power and compensated recording outs that come after the power section and include passive loading--2-space rack mount, single channel with a boost switch and four tone knobs. This thing was designed by John McIntyre, who used to write for Guitar Player and is based on a similar piece he designed that the Lace-Sensor folks were offering last year. It too has an effects loop (tube driven stereo) and slave outs. I heard it played both thru cabinets and direct thru monitors and it was very sweet...the demonstrator could really do the SRV thing and it sounded almost exactly the same when he switched from cab to monitors. Should be about $999, and in stores in April. 3. Theyâre coming out with cabs, too--I saw a little stereo thing that probably had 2 tens in it... Theyâre also offering a low-end dual stereo multifx called the MPX100 with Vortex-like selection knobs, MIDI, digital outs, pitch shifting, reverb, and 5.7 sec of delay. When asked about looping, my contact claimed that theyâd been kicking themselves over dropping the Jamman, since they started getting big orders shortly thereafter, and would ãdefinitelyä be back in the looping game ãsoon.ä Electro-Harmonix guy told me that the 16-sec delay was still in the works, and would be ãexactly the same...ä DOD guy told me that their 98 pedal with 8-sec. delays was ãdelayed...but coming!ä tc electronicâs FireworX multifx looked extremely powerful, like a second-gen G-Force that even includes a mono synth, has programmable ãinsertä capabilities--like an fx loop using either the digital or analog i/o that youâre not already using, as far as I can figure--programmable feedback loops, modulatable modulators (including a kind of mini sequencer called ãfreeformä), and you can divide up the dsp resources anyway you want, using multiple blocks of any algorithms that use less than 50% of the resources. The front-panel block buttons include Dynamic, Filters, Formant, Distort, Vocode, Synth, Pitch, Chorus, Delay, Reverb, Pan, and EQ...and there are ring mod, noise, and reverse delay options, altho the delay times didnât appear to be any longer than on the G-Force. Other toys: Danelectro is back making guitars...copies of the originals that will list for $299...no Long Horns or sitars,...yet! Plus they have a vintage delay pedal (and a tuner)... The New E-Bow has an octave-up switch... Digitechâs Space Station pedal sounds good doing its reverse-delay thing, and ring modulating... Rocktron has a new floor version of their Taboo preamp/fx...the Taboo Artist... Mesa Boogie has a new 1-space non-MIDI preamp, a 3-channel job with stereo recording outs, fx loop, footswitch and graphic EQ thatâll be $699...they call it the Formula Preamp. Roland had some neat stuff (a 24-bit 8-in, 16-out version of the VS-880 with a bigger screen and two fx-board slots-$3000+, a super phrase sampler that caches directly to a ip drive for about 26 minutes of stereo sampling, and used 2 simultaneous Dimension Beam controllers to modulate fx or control audio-$1600....), but nothing new on the guitar front. The VG-8 is still in the catalog, tho... If youâve got a Mac and like to make sounds with it, MetaSynth is a little wonder boy! Eric Wenger, the inventor of it (and Bryce...jeez!), gave me about a 20-min demo of it that was sheer amazement...cross convolving audio morphs, granular synthesis, paint-brush filter creation, all the typical fx and sound design algos, works with imported audio or generates its own sounds using up to 400 oscillators (on a 200Mhz Mac)....$250. Believe me, it was PAINful to have to leave before I saw more! david From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:57:07 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 31 18:19:55 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyp0i-0007MM-00; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:19:52 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980201021605.00663a34@tiac.net> X-Sender: rphunt@tiac.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:16:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Reginald Hunt Subject: Re: funky vintage boxes.. Resent-Message-ID: <"cFtDZD.A.AoG.es900"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2633 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:19:52 -0800 X-UIDL: 3b90ef4c8607f28786eb9835a6dd69b2 Status: O X-Status: Regarding looping setups, mine doesn't really utilize any "vintage" equipment. I suppose the current inventory of my setup is: Lexicon Jamman (8 secs) Digitech RDS8000 (8 secs of course) Digitech RP-10 pedalboard Alesis Midiverb 4 DBX 266 Carvin SM162 mixer Roland GR-1 Ibanez 7 string with GK-2A Yamaha MU80 Yamaha P-50 I just put the RDS8000 back in the rack; using it in conjunction with the JamMan gets pretty bizarre. My web site has a diagram of the setup I used for the music that I posted there and in the Looper's Delight Tips & Tricks page: www.tiac.net/users/rphunt BTW, does anyone remember the Ibanez DM-1100 delay unit? Reg From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:57:08 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 31 18:52:43 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xypWS-0002JW-00; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:52:40 -0800 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:48:29 -0500 (EST) From: CORROSIVE@aol.com Message-ID: <980131214828_271436457@mrin53> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: funky vintage boxes.. Resent-Message-ID: <"AJ-dD.A.-2B.HL-00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2634 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:52:40 -0800 X-UIDL: 3ac5236cd7f69137753421498576bc63 Status: O X-Status: Yeah Reg! I agree that it's psychotronic to use a RDS-8000 in front of a jamman or plex & reloop the pitch shifted original..getting 'em in tune can be a bitch, but can get outta control in a very cool way. Sometimes I'll run the RDS through a wammy pedal first to add octaves above or below..aaaaaaaah!! From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:57:16 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 31 20:23:22 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyqwC-00001a-00; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:23:20 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980201041837.00676fa4@tiac.net> X-Sender: rphunt@tiac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 23:18:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Reginald Hunt Subject: Re: funky vintage boxes.. Resent-Message-ID: <"UfyE6B.A.17G.Xf_00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2635 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:23:20 -0800 X-UIDL: a97caad9747ccbca3637f9cbd3205cfe Status: O X-Status: Hmmmm... Actually, I use my whammy pedal before my RDS, which then goes to my JM. That way I sweep a note, then let the RDS's LFO slowly chew on it. Also, the delay time knob on the RDS lets me create some very deep bass notes I can't get any other way. All the noises this combo makes are so cool, I don't worry about being in tune. But, I gotta try putting the RDS before the pedalboard. That sounds twisted. Makes me think that if I get stereo echoplexes, I'm going to have to find another RDS as well. Oh God. BTW, it appears that the Dimension 12 also has an LFO. Has anyone tried this unit out yet? Reg At 09:48 PM 1/31/98 -0500, you wrote: >Yeah Reg! I agree that it's psychotronic to use a RDS-8000 in front of a >jamman or plex & reloop the pitch shifted original..getting 'em in tune can >be a bitch, but can get outta control in a very cool way. Sometimes I'll run >the RDS through a wammy pedal first to add octaves above or >below..aaaaaaaah!! From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:57:20 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 31 21:18:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyrnY-00040X-00; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:18:28 -0800 From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 00:13:24 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Another NAMM Report Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"kIk12B.A.ZWD.8SA10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2636 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:18:28 -0800 X-UIDL: eefe9aad4fd3b533605308ab51d7d2d6 Status: O X-Status: well...I give up. Sorry about the nospaces and noreturns--they USED to be there! dpc From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:57:21 1998 >From kflint Sat Jan 31 21:20:03 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyrp2-0004Cd-00; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:20:00 -0800 From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 00:15:13 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Another NAMM Report Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"vpiSmB.A.UcD.vTA10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2637 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:20:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 1924bba4b58d0a4e872ff8e13ed79836 Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 1/31/98 8:43:08 PM, I wrote: > >Roland had some neat stuff (a 24-bit 8-in, 16-out version of the VS-880 with a >bigger screen and two fx-board slots-$3000+, a super phrase sampler that >caches directly to a ip drive for about 26 minutes of stereo sampling, and >used 2 simultaneous Dimension Beam controllers to modulate fx or control >audio-$1600....), That's a ZIP drive, and it's 64 min....