From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 1 00:13:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20180; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 00:13:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 00:13:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004801bef42d$f06c7d20$6dcbaec7@default> From: "The Imberg Family" To: References: Subject: Re: Mr. Bungle anyone? Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:56:11 -0700 Organization: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"tHUxn.0.PI4.nJApt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Prince wrote the song. Sinead covered it and made it famous. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 30, 1999 9:54 PM Subject: Re: Mr. Bungle anyone? > I though that "Nothing Compares 2 U" was a Sinead O'Connor song. > > > > In a message dated 8/30/99 7:48:45 PM !!!First Boot!!!, zebu@mindspring.com > writes: > > << Their opening song was a spot-on cover of Prince's "Nothing Compares To > You" (or is it "2 U"?). >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 1 09:37:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA08048; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:37:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:37:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990901132720.48290.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.137.202] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Opcode says they have never heard of the Echoplex Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 06:27:19 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"zt8nl2.0.iO1.TdIpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I heard they are moving again... to California...Palo Alto??? >From: "Travis Hartnett" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Opcode says they have never heard of the Echoplex >Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:30:13 -0500 > >I'd have to say that Gibson/Oberheim hasn't been tremendously responsive to >date. Perhaps they're moving office. Again. >I just called Gibson, and was passed to the voice mail of a Michael >Something. I left a message asking for an update on production status, >etc. >If you call Gibson, I'd suggest hitting option 3 for Customer Relations, >and >then asking to talk to someone about buying a new Echoplex and see what >happens. > >TH > >---------- >From: Jonathan El-Bizri >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Opcode says they have never heard of the Echoplex >Date: Tue, Aug 31, 1999, 3:38 PM > > > >I just talked to a rep at Opcode who told me that the >Oberheim/Gibson/Opcode >merger never actually took place, and that they aren't going to be >releasing >the echoplex any time soon, or at all, since they've never heard of it. > >Does >anyone< know what the real deal is? I'm absolutely sick of waiting >for these to come out. > >All together now: > >Everyone call Gibson at 1-800-4GIBSON > >then call Opcode at (650) 429-2400 >bIz > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sooh [mailto:sooh@direct.ca] >Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 2:37 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: > >help i am looking for an obreheim digital echoplex really badly. I'm in >canada and gibson up here is useless! could anyone help >thanx sean >vancesean@hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 1 10:35:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21989; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:35:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:35:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909011418.HAA11256@scv1.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 09:18:33 -0500 Subject: FS: PDS 8000 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OZlZJ.0.aU4.CNJpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com from Harmony Central, Digitech's old 8 second delay pedal: Dealer Ad: PDS-8000, WH-1 whammy, 5 Pearl pedals and more Asking Price: US$N/A Condition: Mint Age: N/A Description: Many new items in stock, please email us for the updated FX list. Digitech PDS-8000 Digitech WH-1 whammy 1970 Univox Univibe Pearl distortion, overdrive, octaver, compressor and chorus!!! email us with your want list and we do have guitars and amps in stock too, so email us for our complete inventory!!! Thanks Seller: Pro Analog, 317-824-0574 E-mail: proanalog@aol.com (Profile) ICQ#: 7846169 Post Date: 8/31/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 1 11:47:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07293; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:47:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:47:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:36:38 +0100 (BST) From: Jim Carter To: list server loopers delight Subject: Selling Oberhiem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"0F2Hc3.0.OC1.kXKpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For years I have never seen a scrap of Oberhiem kit for sale in the UK (bar the odd S/H Matrix1000). Suddenly, as soon as I hear Oberhiem are defunked I find several shops carrying just about their entire range; keyboards, sounds mods., even guitar processors (everything but an Echoplex) and some of it advertised as "factory direct" - what factory. Looking very closely at the pictures in the adverts I notice that the guitar processors, at least, are manufactures by Oberheim/Viscount. I think the later are an Italian electronics company. Anyone got an explanation?? Jim Carter Bristol BS8 1TS UK Tel - 0117 9289934 FAX - 0117 9293746 e-mail jim.carter@bris.ac.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 1 11:52:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08736; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:52:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:52:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Opcode says they have never heard of the Echoplex Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:20:43 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990901132720.48290.qmail@hotmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"_IEaw.0.A5.-DKpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That's where they where supposed to move the last time - to Opcode. It's just down the street from my house. bIz -----Original Message----- From: David Potter [mailto:papadave55@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 6:27 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Opcode says they have never heard of the Echoplex I heard they are moving again... to California...Palo Alto??? >From: "Travis Hartnett" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Opcode says they have never heard of the Echoplex >Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:30:13 -0500 > >I'd have to say that Gibson/Oberheim hasn't been tremendously responsive to >date. Perhaps they're moving office. Again. >I just called Gibson, and was passed to the voice mail of a Michael >Something. I left a message asking for an update on production status, >etc. >If you call Gibson, I'd suggest hitting option 3 for Customer Relations, >and >then asking to talk to someone about buying a new Echoplex and see what >happens. > >TH > >---------- >From: Jonathan El-Bizri >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Opcode says they have never heard of the Echoplex >Date: Tue, Aug 31, 1999, 3:38 PM > > > >I just talked to a rep at Opcode who told me that the >Oberheim/Gibson/Opcode >merger never actually took place, and that they aren't going to be >releasing >the echoplex any time soon, or at all, since they've never heard of it. > >Does >anyone< know what the real deal is? I'm absolutely sick of waiting >for these to come out. > >All together now: > >Everyone call Gibson at 1-800-4GIBSON > >then call Opcode at (650) 429-2400 >bIz > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sooh [mailto:sooh@direct.ca] >Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 2:37 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: > >help i am looking for an obreheim digital echoplex really badly. I'm in >canada and gibson up here is useless! could anyone help >thanx sean >vancesean@hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 1 14:00:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07641; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:00:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:00:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:25:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Selling Oberhiem Resent-Message-ID: <"QoKJF.0.I56.lgLpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:36 AM -0700 9/1/99, Jim Carter wrote: >For years I have never seen a scrap of Oberhiem kit for sale >in the UK (bar the odd S/H Matrix1000). Suddenly, as soon as >I hear Oberhiem are defunked I find several shops carrying >just about their entire range; keyboards, sounds mods., >even guitar processors (everything but an Echoplex) and some of it >advertised as "factory direct" - what factory. >Looking very closely at the pictures in the adverts I notice >that the guitar processors, at least, are manufactures by >Oberheim/Viscount. I think the later are an Italian electronics >company. > >Anyone got an explanation?? Gibson sold the Oberheim name to Vicount. Vicount is an Italian company that was already designing and manufacturing some of the Oberheim line, such as the drawbar organ thing and the digital pianos. I think that they got the rights to everything except the Echoplex. Chris _________________________________________________________ The optimist sees a glass half full... | Chris Muir The pessimist sees a glass half empty... | cbm@well.com The realist sees a glass twice as big as it needs to be. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 1 15:24:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29788; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:24:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:24:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Jonathan El-Bizri'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Opcode & Echoplex = NOT -- the EDP's at another division of G ibson now Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:44:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"gwio_1.0._-4.LKNpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OK What I hear is that OPCODE are not involved in any EDP dealings now. Another Gibson division is picking up the EDP slack. The same issues of sourcing parts and setting-up shop are being investigated by this other Gibson subsidiary. What happened to OPCODE? I have no idea. To me it doesn't matter. I wish them well. So. 1) There's no point in bugging OPCODE -- they're no longer in the mix. 2) Stay tuned, news may be coming soon (I hope). Informationally, David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 1 17:32:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00521; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:32:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:32:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909012043.QAA19794@rosy.yourwebhost.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 17:44:10 -0600 Subject: Re: Opcode & Echoplex = NOT -- the EDP's at another division of G ibson now From: "Sebastian Woscoboinik" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Infomail-Id: 936218463.3AD101AC1E039E.38463 Resent-Message-ID: <"Dtg0N.0.vr4.h_Opt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ---------- From: Michael Ayers To: 'Sebastian Woscoboinik' Subject: RE: From Argentina Date: Mon, Aug 9, 1999, 9:03 Good morning; Production of the Echoplex is due to be back up sometime this Autumn. What are the problems with your Echoplex? -----Original Message----- From: Sebastian Woscoboinik [mailto:sdw@satlink.com] Sent: Friday,August 06,1999 2:41 PM To: mayers@gibson.com Subject: From Argentina Hi! Mike, I'm from Argentina. I'm an Echoplex user. I have two, but one of these have some problems. 1srt question is. When I can buy one echoplex again? (It's out of production or not?) 2nd question is My problems with echoplex have solutions or not? Thanks sebastian From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 1 18:01:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07261; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:01:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:01:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37CD9807.A269A2C8@webms.com> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 14:17:59 -0700 From: paul buelow Organization: WebMS X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Opcode & Echoplex = NOT -- the EDP's at another division of Gibson now References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UbMvx.0.gy6.QSPpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dave is correct according to rumors at the nearby Wagon Wheel restaurant hangout where some Opcodians eat lunch. Yes it's the same wagon wheel where the first computer IC was rumored to have been skectched out. Opcode will not be manufacturing the echoplex. Gibson is investigating? Opcode is slimmer but doing fine and they are located in Mountain View, CA. on Middlefield Road. They have a new lower price scheme for Studio Vision and Dave O is still lead programmer Studio Vision code. There have been no updates to Vision for PC since the first update to 2.55 or something like that. There are no other plans for PC sequencing support updates. They do however make some very nice PC midi interfaces. Paul deBenedictus still works there. PdB was an original member of Opcode and the Product Manager for Studio Vision for a long time and I believe he is in marketing now. Call him he would to love to hear from all of you. A recent spinoff called zerocrossing didn't go according to this report from Doug Wyatt the creator of OMS http://www.sonosphere.com/doug/index.html Doug is probably on this list... So don't bug Opcode about the echoplex. If you do want to call them the numbers are General 650-429-2300 Tech support 650-429-2439 9am-12 & 2-5pm David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > OK > > What I hear is that OPCODE are not involved in any EDP dealings now. > > Another Gibson division is picking up the EDP slack. The same issues of > sourcing parts and setting-up shop are being investigated by this other > Gibson subsidiary. What happened to OPCODE? I have no idea. To me it > doesn't matter. I wish them well. > > So. > > 1) There's no point in bugging OPCODE -- they're no longer in the mix. > 2) Stay tuned, news may be coming soon (I hope). > > Informationally, > > David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 1 22:38:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06250; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:38:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:38:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002101bef4e6$a452d560$bd6fc8d0@computer> From: "postaldave" To: "Loopers" Subject: Loopers here I come. Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:58:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"QoHgm2.0.iG7.4eTpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com About a month ago I saw a guy do a set with just him and his 6 sting martin. He was a great player and a singer but he was doing a bunch of really cool stuff. He first would lay down a a high hat feel on his guitar and it keeped on going. then he would but in a bass beat and last a snare hit. by the time he got done it sounded like a whole band, i was most impressed. so my journey began I had to get whatever he was using. whoever is responsible for the looper's page i found i thank you. it was most informative. after reading most of what was available i had choosen the boomerang. I had a lot of trouble finding one once i wanted to purchase one. many of the sites listed on the boomerang homepage didn't have boomerang's for sale on their web page or wouldn't return the email i sent them. I still wanted one so I turned to this email group. WOW what a response you all are really great. many thanks to all of you. in about a week i will get my first looping machine a new boomerang. I am most excited. of all the place many of you sent me here are the two best that were found. If you your thinking about getting one give these guys a call. http://www.robbsmusic.com/ this is were I bought mine they have three left and sale them for $425. Brad Campen also sells boomerangs and has them at a great price. Musician's Workshop bradcampen@hotmail.com Gainesville, FL From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 1 22:38:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06255; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:38:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:38:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37CDE053.79F6C90C@apex.net> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 21:26:32 -0500 From: James Devillez Reply-To: grndflor@apex.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #353 References: <199909011838.OAA17607@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------5712F2F16B0931D8B1B2F588" Resent-Message-ID: <"qu_t23.0.La.wxTpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --------------5712F2F16B0931D8B1B2F588 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com kflint@annihilist.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: boomerang > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:49:18 -0700 (PDT) > From: chris lujan > > I got my Boomerang(1 minute) at Guitar Center for $350. You just have > to know who to talk to and how to sweet talk them. ooohhh sweet talk? what da ya say? > > Subject: Opcode says they have never heard of the Echoplex Not surprising>> > Subject: something of interest... > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:26:12 -0700 (PDT) > From: James Pearce > > ...to some of you on this list (hope so)---- > > VOICED AT: > > INTRO: One of the masters of an Armenian wind > instrument called the "duduk" (doo-'dook) is taking > his music to a wider audience. Djivan Gasparyan (jee- > 'vahn gah-spahr-ee-'ahn) records melodies for movie > sound tracks. As Mike O'Sullivan reports, he also > collaborates with a Western jazz artist to extend the > range of the traditional instrument... > I will make it a point to look to listen_____ > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Gibson update > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:18:24 -0700 > From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" I just talked to a > customer support rep at Gibson who seemed a little more > in the know. He said he was talking to one of the hardware developers > working on the echoplex, and that as of 2 weeks ago the developer was > able > to get hold of an original EDP to make a schematic from. I find that kind of 'wild ' that they lost it. > > S > bject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#153704042: Roberts Roto-Neck Guitar Limited Edition #35 > > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:48:58 -0700 (PDT) > From: tcn62@ici.net > > Have any of you ever seen one of these bizarre creatures? huhuhhhunuh..if ever ther was a string instrument that could make me want to get into frying my credit card__this would be it...2 much! that's getting up into the "Stick " catagory at a different angle and then running it through the echo, along with the jamdudedvortex..whew, what a sound thanks..i'm watching the bidding now.. > > > Title of item: Roberts Roto-Neck Guitar Limited Edition #35 > Seller: pawnbroker@mindspring.com > Starts: 08/27/99, 10:10:37 PDT > Ends: 09/03/99, 10:10:37 PDT > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=153704042 > > > > > Subject: RE: Gibson update > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:52:23 -0400 > From: "Future Perfect" > > Well, in the mean time, what about the Echoplex upgrade???? ETA???? > is there something i don't know about? Later,later__just call me J --------------5712F2F16B0931D8B1B2F588 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:49:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: chris lujan <crlujan@yahoo.com>

I got my Boomerang(1 minute) at Guitar Center for $350. You just have
to know who to talk to and how to sweet talk them.

ooohhh sweet talk?  what da ya say?

Subject: Opcode says they have never heard of the Echoplex
Not surprising>>
Subject: something of interest...
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:26:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: James Pearce <jamesrp@statenet.com>
...to some of you on this list (hope so)----

VOICED AT:

INTRO:  One of the masters of an Armenian wind 
instrument called the "duduk" (doo-'dook) is taking 
his music to a wider audience.  Djivan Gasparyan (jee-
'vahn gah-spahr-ee-'ahn) records melodies for movie 
sound tracks.  As Mike O'Sullivan reports, he also 
collaborates with a Western jazz artist to extend the 
range of the traditional instrument...<snip>
I will make it a point to look to listen_____



Subject: Gibson update
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:18:24 -0700
From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" <jbiz@linkexchange.com>I just talked to a customer support rep at Gibson who seemed a little more
in the know. He said he was talking to one of the hardware developers
working on the echoplex, and that as of 2 weeks ago the developer was able
to get hold of an original EDP to make a schematic from.

I find that kind of 'wild ' that they lost it.
 
Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#153704042: Roberts Roto-Neck Guitar Limited Edition #35
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:48:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: tcn62@ici.net

Have any of you ever seen one of these bizarre creatures?

huhuhhhunuh..if ever ther was a string instrument that could make me want to get into frying my credit card__this would be it...2 much! that's getting up into the "Stick " catagory at a different angle and then running it through the echo, along with the jamdudedvortex..whew, what a sound

thanks..i'm watching the bidding now..



Title of item:  Roberts Roto-Neck Guitar Limited Edition #35
Seller: pawnbroker@mindspring.com
Starts: 08/27/99, 10:10:37 PDT
Ends:   09/03/99, 10:10:37 PDT
      http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=153704042




Subject: RE: Gibson update
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:52:23 -0400
From: "Future Perfect" <artmusic@gte.net>
Well, in the mean time, what about the Echoplex upgrade???? ETA????
is there something i don't know about?

Later,later__just call me J
  --------------5712F2F16B0931D8B1B2F588-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 1 23:03:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12460; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:03:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:03:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: <17289260.24ff3516@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:04:06 EDT Subject: Re: Opcode says they have never heard of the Echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 246 Resent-Message-ID: <"g3ysc.0.dc7.QjTpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The gentleman's name at Gibson that handles the Oberheim Echoplex EDP is Michael Ayers. He told me that there was some renovating being done on the manufacturing operation, and that some changes were being made in the marketing of the Oberheim line, and that it would be at least 2-3 months before EDP's would be shipping again. Regards, Wayne Wesley Johnson From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 2 02:43:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA30149; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 02:43:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 02:43:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doug@pop.lightlink.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37CD9807.A269A2C8@webms.com> References: <37CD9807.A269A2C8@webms.com> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 02:16:25 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Doug Wyatt Subject: (OT) Re: Opcode & Echoplex = NOT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"qmsBy.0.rk5.LPXpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 14:17 -0700 9/1/99, paul buelow wrote: > A recent spinoff called zerocrossing didn't go Uh..... hmm..... 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Direct questions to the e-mail address at the bottom of this ad, not to me. TH ************ Guitar Effects for Sale: Asking Price: US$N/A Condition: Mint Age: N/A Description: Roland Guitar Synth: GK-2A(new),GR-09 w/exp board...$400 Marshall JMP-1: Valve pre-amp.......................$350 Lexicon JamMan w/32sec memory upgrade...............$400 Real Tube Rack pre-amp: RT-902......................$150 BBE 422A Sonic Maximizer............................$100 Furman PL-Plus power conditioner....................$110 Rolls MIDI-buddy: midi footcontroller...............$65 SKB Roto-rack:6 space...............................$60 Plus shipping!! All of the above equipment is in Excellent condition!! 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Yoder" Subject: Copying minidiscs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"FOziQ2.0.R82.tefpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Saludos de la frontera! I have a question for those of you with experience in MD recording: Is it ABSOLUTELY crucial when making backup copies of MDs to record them digitally via the optical output and input? Is there noticeable audible difference by going through the line outs of one MD machine into the line ins of another MD machine? I have experience with DATs, and can hear no difference between an original DAT and the copy made via the line outs and line ins. This must mean that the D/A and A/D converters are good in the Sony DAT machines I use. I wondered if the (much cheaper) MD technology would be about the same. One can get a Sony MD deck for just under $200, but without optical output. Thanks. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dr. Michael S. Yoder Assistant Professor of Geography, Coordinator of Urban Studies Texas A&M International University 5201 University Blvd. Laredo, TX 78041 Tel. (956) 326-2634; FAX (956) 326-2464 Internet:myoder@tamiu.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 2 12:15:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17722; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:15:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:15:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <834da5b1.24fffa74@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:06:12 EDT Subject: Re: boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"yAaDv.0.Cm3.T2gpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Dave, Check out http://www.wmcworld.com you'll want to use their 800-number and call it in, because they only have 2 people that deal with the email at this time. Got mine for $425.00. Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 2 12:30:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22291; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:30:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:30:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <6d4f5f70.24fffd01@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:17:05 EDT Subject: Re: Mr. Bungle needs Roland DJ 70 Mark 2!!! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Pawmgt@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"zJ9cE.0.NT4.hCgpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 08/31/1999 2:02:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, subversive@mindspring.com writes: << pawmgt@aol.com >> Try out Chuck Levin's http://www.wmcworld.com and you'll want to give them a jingle via the phone, vs. sending email. Then there's Atomic Music at http://www.smellygig.com/atomic/ they may or may not have one in stock. Other places are of course Sam Ash at http://www.samash.com/ Used Gear By Mail at http://www.ugbm.com/ubmhome.shtml If you're needing to upgrade the memory of an existing unit, then you'll probably want to go through Price Watch at http://www.pricewatch.com Hope this helps out. Tchus, Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 2 12:35:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23877; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:35:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:35:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:24:10 -0500 (CDT) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: More looping goofiness + cucurullo loops Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"UYAaF.0.d35.QJgpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Cucurullo looping album is called: "Warren Cucurullo: MACHINE LANGUAGE" on Imago recordings. I've been looking for a copy (a friend has one). It sounded kind of ambient and some tracks you'd never guess in a million years that it's an electric guitar you are hearing. Okay - here's the deal. I was playing around with my Roland VS-840 workstation. As most people know, it comes equipped with a Roland COSM effects preamp. One of the features in this preamp is a rather nice delay effect, but I finally got down to programming it - you can actually use the VS-840 as a combination audio mixer, 8-track digital recorder and multi-effector! I think most people buy it as a home recording unit, but it can do so much more. I found the delay is rather nice. Once you pump it up to full length and a rather nice reneration, you can get really nice loopage going. Since all the FX of the COSM preamp are available, you can use those in addition to the delay as well. More later as I explore the device.... Todd Madson Musician, Mountain Biker, Stunt Kite Flyer, BeOS/MacOS/Linux/WinNt user. http://www.waste.org/~crash/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 2 13:00:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31629; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:00:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:00:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990902103224.008a7e50@tamiu.edu> References: <3.0.1.32.19990902103224.008a7e50@tamiu.edu> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:41:38 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Copying minidiscs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"pNoYs2.0.wD6.yYgpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Michael S. Yoder" wrote: >Saludos de la frontera! > >I have a question for those of you with experience in MD recording: > >Is it ABSOLUTELY crucial when making backup copies of MDs to record them >digitally via the optical output and input? Is there noticeable audible >difference by going through the line outs of one MD machine into the line >ins of another MD machine? > >I have experience with DATs, and can hear no difference between an original >DAT and the copy made via the line outs and line ins. This must mean that >the D/A and A/D converters are good in the Sony DAT machines I use. I >wondered if the (much cheaper) MD technology would be about the same. One >can get a Sony MD deck for just under $200, but without optical output. This is an interesting question. MDs perform their magic using a "lossy" compression that throws away most of the raw sonic information received to compress the bandwidth and fit all that sound onto that little disk. The ATRAC encoding is very sophisticated and uses multiple strategies to make sure that most of the information lost is information that you could never possibly hear. But information is lost on each encoding->decoding step. This will snowball and after several generations, you'll start to hear artefacts. So I'd reckon, I've never tried it, but this is universal to lossy compression methods. Note that this will happen whether or not you go through an analog stage. And, as Michael says, a careful and accurate analog copy is pretty indistinguishably close to the original. BUT, I'd still go with the digital I/O if you have another device that reads it. It's just far simpler to make an exact digital copy than an exact analog copy. Setting your levels wrong is a classic way to lose bandwidth on a copy, not a problem with digital. Crosstalk or hum from other channels or instruments, static electricity, these are all things that have ruined analog copies of mine in the past. With digital, you plug them in and press record. End of story. No work. This is terribly off-topic of course. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 2 13:12:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03978; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:12:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:12:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00ec01bef563$8bc6c6a0$5a05020a@beelzejuice.mecasw.com> From: "Ken M" To: Subject: Re: Copying minidiscs Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:52:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"TXkpX2.0.X57.tigpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com IMHO: If you have the choice between D->D copying or D->A->D ALWAYS take the D->D copy. You may not notice a great deal of generation loss at first, but it's there. D->D recording is completely LOSSLESS, meaning you can make 100 generations of copies without ever hearing the slightest hiss, but just the mere fact of going through a digital:analog converter, and then back again analog:digital gives you a much wider sensitivity to distortion, hiss, electronic buzz, the truck passing by with his CB going too hot as he screams "BREAKER BREAKER! DID YOU SEE THAT HOOCHIE MAMA?! WHOOOAH", etc.. Test the theory if you must.. Take 2 Sony MD's, go line-out to line-in and make a copy. Turn it around and copy the copy, again, again, again until you hear the hiss. Now try it digital -> digital and note that the sound never alters from the original. Ken From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 2 13:40:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10774; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:40:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:40:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00ec01bef563$8bc6c6a0$5a05020a@beelzejuice.mecasw.com> References: <00ec01bef563$8bc6c6a0$5a05020a@beelzejuice.mecasw.com> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:21:10 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Copying minidiscs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"Y1Qng1.0.Cy1.kGhpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ken wrote: >Test the theory if you must.. Take 2 Sony MD's, go line-out to line-in >and make a copy. Turn it around and copy the copy, again, again, >again until you hear the hiss. Now try it digital -> digital and note >that the sound never alters from the original. now, if you have those two minidisk players with digital I/O you could try this experiment, copying a very short segment digitally but making 5 or 10 generations, and we could see what happens. my claim is that there would be degeneration due to the ATRAC compression/ decompression stage... but I have no actual data to back this up! /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 2 13:58:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15570; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:58:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:58:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00ec01bef563$8bc6c6a0$5a05020a@beelzejuice.mecasw.com> References: <00ec01bef563$8bc6c6a0$5a05020a@beelzejuice.mecasw.com> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:30:35 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Copying minidiscs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"DVgKo2.0.0z1.uGhpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >IMHO: If you have the choice between D->D copying or >D->A->D ALWAYS take the D->D copy. You may not notice >a great deal of generation loss at first, but it's there. well, there will be generational loss even in an uncompressed digital transfer, due to jitter or just errors. the error correction will handle *nearly all* of them... >going through a >digital:analog converter, and then back again analog:digital >gives you a much wider sensitivity to distortion, hiss, electronic >buzz much as I love digital, I can't really agree with this. if your levels are set properly, there should be little or no noise added. the d/a/d sections on a professional or semi-professional machine will be better than 90dB, so if they were the only problem you could make a hundred generations before getting to the level of an analog mastering deck or a million generations before getting down to the level of a good cassette deck. You'd be much more likely to get noise from other sources interfering with your copies between the two conversion sections. > >Test the theory if you must.. Take 2 Sony MD's, go line-out to line-in >and make a copy. Turn it around and copy the copy, again, again, >again until you hear the hiss. Now try it digital -> digital and note >that the sound never alters from the original. > >Ken From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 2 14:03:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17120; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:03:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:03:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <9B6D04348808D311B1EE0090277A40A7B50FF6@usilms12.cai.com> From: "Lanpheer, James" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Mini-discs: To the point...(OT) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:57:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"FOeq-3.0.3q3.Ehhpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mikey posed a good question on MD's and let me follow up by clarifying. I'm going to give him source material on MD that he's going to add to. In a past life, we've worked together before. Now, he lives in Texas, i live in Denver. I'm going to send him discs. Obviously, i want to back up my work before trusting it to snail-mail. I'm working with the portable Sharp MD MS-702. The problem is: How to best backup the discs? Clearly, it seems that its BEST (in terms of the quality of the backup) to copy the discs to another MD player. The problem is that i don't have a second unit, funds are tight, blah blah, blah. The inability to make backups could delay the project anywhere from weeks to a couple of months (when my piggy-bank fills back up). We're wondering: 1. What are the "best" options for backing up these MDs? It would seem that the "best" (highest quality of sound) option is to have TWO MD recorders (i have one). Are there any other options that come VERY CLOSE to this one? 2. If i need to get a second disc player, MUST it be another MS-702, or will any second deck do? Anything propreitary about the Sharp format that say, a Sony MD deck couldn't read? 3. Is there any risk to the data on an MD by sending it thru the mail? Are there any precautions that we can take? I think that about sums it up. Sorry to be OT. We get lots of good info from knowledgeable people on this board! Cheers! Jim. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 2 15:31:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11163; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:31:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:31:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:07:13 EDT Subject: electric bird noise live on the net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"MZ21A.0.ok.Biipt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello all, i did a show in atlanta a couple weeks ago and a cool guy by the name of tod recorded me and posted it on his live at dottie's series page.........check it out..........it's just one guitar a beatbox lots of effects and a jamman. http://www.abl.com/at/ scroll down to the electric bird noise portion bye for now brian electric bird noise http://members.aol.com/ebnoise/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 2 16:04:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27948; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:04:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:04:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909021942.MAA65922@scv4.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 14:42:27 -0500 Subject: Ebay auction: Digitech PMC 10 MIDI controller From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nifxt3.0.cz3.zCjpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim's beloved PMC 10, with the programmer. TH http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=156715250 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 2 15:59:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24596; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:59:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:59:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909021911.MAA28758@scv4.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 14:11:51 -0500 Subject: FS: Digitech RDS 4000 (ebay) From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XQkQy.0._B1.Tmipt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=154520404 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 2 16:17:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00407; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:17:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:17:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909022002.NAA42934@scv4.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 15:02:53 -0500 Subject: Ebay auction: Echoplex Digital Pro, 198 sec w/footswitch From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0JQtt3.0.Fb6.zVjpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Who knows when they'll be making them again... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=154268378 TH From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 2 16:18:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01548; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:18:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:18:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909021943.MAA65972@scv4.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 14:43:48 -0500 Subject: Ebay Auction: Digitech 7.3 second delay From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sHWQR.0.R34.TEjpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For all you old-school, knob-twiddling types. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=156634403 TH From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 2 16:26:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04636; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:26:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:26:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: klaw@pop.iglou.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 15:53:19 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Keenan Lawler Subject: OT: Max In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"PA0GP1.0.c45.yLjpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey -anyone on the list handy with Max?I need some help. thanks K From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 2 17:50:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04784; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:50:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:50:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <7b2c57a3.25003f10@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:58:56 EDT Subject: Re: More looping goofiness + cucurullo loops To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"Sh1b9.0.qC4.yKkpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah, yeah!! I used my VS-880 effects all the time (and currently the effects in the Korg D-8). Some of the best around, especially the COSM. Bill "hawkeye' keep on keepin' on.... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 2 17:52:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05299; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:52:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:52:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001f01bef58a$90209920$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: References: <9B6D04348808D311B1EE0090277A40A7B50FF6@usilms12.cai.com> Subject: Re: Mini-discs: To the point...(OT) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:01:18 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"pUEdH1.0.qH7.amkpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I'm going to give him source material on MD that he's going to add to. In a > past life, we've worked together before. Now, he lives in Texas, i live in > Denver. I'm going to send him discs. Obviously, i want to back up my work > before trusting it to snail-mail. I'm working with the portable Sharp MD > MS-702. The problem is: How to best backup the discs? Clearly, it seems > that its BEST (in terms of the quality of the backup) to copy the discs to > another MD player. The problem is that i don't have a second unit, funds > are tight, blah blah, blah. The inability to make backups could delay the > project anywhere from weeks to a couple of months (when my piggy-bank fills > back up). How about this plan: 1) keep your minidisc as a track master 2) copy the minidisc to tape and send the tape to your collaborator 3) your collaborator uses your tape to monitor your sound while recording his own tracks independently to a separate minidisc, then sends you the minidisc. So basically all he used your recording for was to monitor. 4) provided you have a four-track or computer mixing software you can then record from your track master, then from his track master, and then mix down the resulting four tracks to a final master. The only difficulty is synchronizing the two tracks, but if you put some tempo clicks at the beginning of the recording and then have him emulate the clicks on his recording it's not insurmountable, especially if you are using a computer. Anyway, good luck! Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 2 18:04:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08794; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:04:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:04:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003001bef58b$303fcf20$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: References: <9B6D04348808D311B1EE0090277A40A7B50FF6@usilms12.cai.com> Subject: Re: Mini-discs: To the point...(OT) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:36:07 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"nmFhQ.0.1f7.iqkpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check out the plan below: it doesn't require you to get a second minidisc recorder. It's looks a little freaky at first but bear with me 'til the end: 1) keep your minidisc as a track master. copy the minidisc to tape, then use the same tape recorder (to preserve tempo) to copy it another minidisc, and send the new minidisc to your collaborator. 2) your collaborator copies your minidisc to tape, then using the same tape player (again, to preserve tempo), he monitors what you've done and records his tracks, without your sounds, independently to his minidisc, then sends you the minidisc of his isolated sounds. Since all he's using the tape for is to monitor you the quality doesn't have to be sterling. So by this step you will have two minidiscs: your track master and his track master. 3) provided you have a four-track recorder or computer mixing software you can then record to it first from your track master, then from his track master, and then mix down the resulting four tracks to a final mixed master recording. (The only difficulty is time-synchronizing the two recordings, but if you put some tempo clicks at the beginning of the recording in step (1) and then have him emulate those clicks when he records in step (2) it's not insurmountable, especially if you are using a computer. You could do 8 clicks of the same tempo on your recording, then have him click along to the last 4 in his recording. It's cheap but effective. They don't have to be in time with the song, they just have to be in synch with each other for the purposes of synchronizing the tracks in the final mixdown.) If you don't have a 4-track recorder or a good enough computer to do step (3) above, you could try this: 1) copy the minidisc to tape and send him the tape 2) he monitors you with the tape and records his isolated sounds to a minidisc and sends you his minidisc 3) you play back his sounds and re-record your own sounds "live", then catch both your and his sounds on tape. All this requires is that each of you have both a minidisc recorder and a tape recorder. In either case, your collaborator is only using your sounds to monitor so the quality doesn't have to be perfect. Hoping this helps a little, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Lanpheer, James To: Looper's Delight Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 12:57 PM Subject: Mini-discs: To the point...(OT) > Mikey posed a good question on MD's and let me follow up by clarifying. > > I'm going to give him source material on MD that he's going to add to. In a > past life, we've worked together before. Now, he lives in Texas, i live in > Denver. I'm going to send him discs. Obviously, i want to back up my work > before trusting it to snail-mail. I'm working with the portable Sharp MD > MS-702. The problem is: How to best backup the discs? Clearly, it seems > that its BEST (in terms of the quality of the backup) to copy the discs to > another MD player. The problem is that i don't have a second unit, funds > are tight, blah blah, blah. The inability to make backups could delay the > project anywhere from weeks to a couple of months (when my piggy-bank fills > back up). > > We're wondering: > 1. What are the "best" options for backing up these MDs? It would seem > that the "best" (highest quality of sound) option is to have TWO MD > recorders (i have one). Are there any other options that come VERY CLOSE to > this one? > 2. If i need to get a second disc player, MUST it be another MS-702, or > will any second deck do? Anything propreitary about the Sharp format that > say, a Sony MD deck couldn't read? > 3. Is there any risk to the data on an MD by sending it thru the mail? Are > there any precautions that we can take? > > I think that about sums it up. Sorry to be OT. We get lots of good info > from knowledgeable people on this board! > > Cheers! > Jim. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 2 18:03:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08645; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:03:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:03:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990902215632.18596.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.74.108.172] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Minidisc Resource Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 14:56:32 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"NUrJL2.0.Tl1.rAlpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hola- Thought I would give a recommendation for the great Minidisc community page. Enjoy. http://www.minidisc.org/ Buck ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 2 18:03:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08676; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:03:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:03:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002201bef58a$ba217780$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: References: <9B6D04348808D311B1EE0090277A40A7B50FF6@usilms12.cai.com> Subject: Re: Mini-discs: To the point...(OT) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:32:53 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"FldR91.0.JW7.2okpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I'm going to give him source material on MD that he's going to add to. In a > past life, we've worked together before. Now, he lives in Texas, i live in > Denver. I'm going to send him discs. Obviously, i want to back up my work > before trusting it to snail-mail. I'm working with the portable Sharp MD > MS-702. The problem is: How to best backup the discs? Clearly, it seems > that its BEST (in terms of the quality of the backup) to copy the discs to > another MD player. The problem is that i don't have a second unit, funds > are tight, blah blah, blah. The inability to make backups could delay the > project anywhere from weeks to a couple of months (when my piggy-bank fills > back up). How about this plan: 1) keep your minidisc as a track master. copy the minidisc to tape, then use the same tape recorder (to preserve tempo) to copy it another minidisc, and send the new minidisc to your collaborator. 2) your collaborator copies your minidisc to tape, then using the same tape player (again, to preserve tempo), he monitors what you've done and records his tracks, without your sounds, independently to his minidisc, then sends you the minidisc of his isolated sounds. Since all he's using the tape for is to monitor you the quality doesn't have to be sterling. So by this step you will have two minidiscs: your track master and his track master. 3) provided you have a four-track or computer mixing software you can then record to it first from your track master, then from his track master, and then mix down the resulting four tracks to a final mixed master recording. (The only difficulty is time-synchronizing the two recordings, but if you put some tempo clicks at the beginning of the recording in step (1) and then have him emulate those clicks when he records in step (2) it's not insurmountable, especially if you are using a computer. You could do 8 clicks of the same tempo on your recording, then have him click along to the last 4 in his recording. It's cheap but effective. They don't have to be in time with the song, they just have to be in synch with each other for the purposes of synchronizing the tracks in the final mixdown.) If you don't have a 4-track or a good enough computer to do step (3) above, you could try this: 1) copy the minidisc to tape and send him the tape 2) he monitors you with the tape and records his isolated sounds to a minidisc and sends you his minidisc 3) you play back his sounds and re-record your own sounds "live", then catch both your and his sounds on tape. All this requires is that each of you have both a minidisc recorder and a tape recorder. In either case, your collaborator is only using your sounds to monitor so the quality doesn't have to be perfect. Good luck! Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 2 22:41:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06517; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:41:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:41:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <681afefd.25008560@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:58:56 EDT Subject: boomerang group buy? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"oSey92.0.YF7.Fkopt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i spoke with a friend of mine, dave lewis at "pianos and stuff", a very nice store here in the pittsburgh area........they list their rangs for $419.00 and will ship anywhere.......i asked if they would consider a group buy and he said "gladly".......he also said that you could lay the rang away at the group price (if one comes up thats exceptable) i think till december, dave would have those details........if there is any interest around this, let me know........all i get out of it is the joy of knowing that there are more rangs out there and a very small island............:).............daves phone number is 412-828-1003........tell him you are interested in the LD members or whatever we are group buy........ill check back with him in about a week and see what the response was and get the final (rock bottom) price........let me know.......michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 2 23:03:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11155; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:03:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:03:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990902225203.007bb5a0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: leper@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 22:52:03 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Dr Eaerth Subject: minidisc generations In-Reply-To: <199909021812.OAA18979@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Eo5Uv1.0.E82.4Wppt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com someone said (god knows who) ... >text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IMHO: If >you have the choice between D->D copying or D->A->D ALWAYS take the D->D >copy. You may not notice a great deal of generation loss at first, but >it's there. D->D recording is completely LOSSLESS, meaning you can make >100 generations of copies without ever hearing the slightest hiss, but just >the mere fact of going through a digital:analog converter, and then back etc on to other stuff, mainly the minidisc losing in the audio hardware. I just wanted to clarify the posting that this was a response to (not my post, but I have a nice example). In addition to any loss you get in going to hardware, you'll get the compression error. Here's a way to look at it. JPG compression is lossy compression. Take a photo and save it in photoshop at, say, 6, which is good quality. Now close the window and reload the file, and save it again at JPG. Repeat. Soon, if you look closely, or later, if you don't, you will be able to actually see the differences. (I feel it's easier to illustrate with pictures. Easier to compare.) That is what the compression side of minidisc does upon copies, as the compressed file is rendered to raw form, then compressed again on the recording side. Add that to the analog errors. Doesn't seem the best plan for making copies. -- The Grendel (ambient/signal music) page will be dead, because of the new Yahoo/Geocities TOS, until I can find a new service. ++Note, my return address may be munged. You make the call.++ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 2 23:19:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14715; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:19:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:19:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00af01bef5b9$86b7cd20$5998adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: electric bird noise live on the net Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:07:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"6XPwf1.0.Vz2.Kjppt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com thanks for sharing this . . . :) the novelty of hearing and seeing fellow loopers has still not worn off. Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net -----Original Message----- From: ENAT21213@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, September 02, 1999 2:40 PM Subject: electric bird noise live on the net >hello all, >i did a show in atlanta a couple weeks ago and a cool guy by the name of tod >recorded me and posted it on his live at dottie's series page.........check >it out..........it's just one guitar a beatbox lots of effects and a jamman. >http://www.abl.com/at/ SNIP From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 3 07:14:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16477; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 07:14:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 07:14:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <073C734BD702D311A0E90001FA7E094782FA7A@letterbox.kscl.com> From: Anthony Mullen To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com, "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Streaming real audio from a server that doesn't support it.... Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:21:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"xgRnv2.0.v92.mFwpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi folks, My service provider (globalnet) are crap and don't host real audio logicals that I need to stream from my webspace.. Question is - is there a way around this - by installing some sort of server side program to do this? OR - does anyone know of any free webspace where I can host these tracks where RA is supported? (where the service provider doesn't have wacky rules like "We own all your stuff....you're our bitch" type thing. Do youse bunch prefer MP3 for streaming? Any info on how to stream MP3 appreciated. Thanks Anthony www.wlust.com > ---------- > From: > Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com[SMTP:Loopers-Delight-d-request@an > nihilist.com] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: 02 September 1999 19:12 > To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com > Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #354 > > <>< Oberhiem>><>< Opcode & Echoplex = NOT -- ...>>< ...>><>< Digest V99 #353>>< hear...>><>< (32 sec) $400>><>< boomerang>><>< More looping goofiness + cucurullo l...>>< minidiscs>><>< minidiscs>><> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 3 07:31:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA19389; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 07:31:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 07:31:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: crlujan@yahoo.com Message-ID: <19990903112222.3988.rocketmail@mta116.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 04:22:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Yahoo! Vacation Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text Resent-Message-ID: <"HgQGo1.0.sG4.4ywpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Note to all: I am no longer working here at Concord Records. To reach Concord's publicity department, please contact them at: Concord Records 2450-A Stanwell Drive Concord, CA 94520 phone: 925/682-6770 fax: 925/682-3508 -------------------- Original Message: Return-Path: Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (209.239.39.1) by mta116.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 1999 04:22:20 -0700 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16477; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 07:14:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 07:14:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <073C734BD702D311A0E90001FA7E094782FA7A@letterbox.kscl.com> From: Anthony Mullen To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com, "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Streaming real audio from a server that doesn't support it.... Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:21:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"xgRnv2.0.v92.mFwpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 3 08:59:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04432; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:59:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:59:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990903082627.00964870@unix01.voicenet.com> X-Sender: floyd@unix01.voicenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 08:30:40 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: Streaming real audio from a server that doesn't support it.... In-Reply-To: <073C734BD702D311A0E90001FA7E094782FA7A@letterbox.kscl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"htDmy3.0.BL7.qwxpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:21 AM 9/3/99 +0100, you wrote: >Hi folks, > >My service provider (globalnet) are crap and don't host real audio logicals >that I need to stream from my webspace.. > >Question is - is there a way around this - by installing some sort of server >side program to do this? Yes, you can use HTTP streaming method. It's documented on Real's WEB site. I think this URL should get you there: http://service2.real.com/solutions/RAP00623.HTM For examples of doing this try http://www.studiodust.com/sdmusic.html **************** ********** Floyd Miller ****** floyd@voicenet.com **** http://www.voicenet.com/~floyd ** http://www.studiodust.com palace://studiodust.com:9996 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 3 09:11:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07775; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:11:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:11:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:03:59 -0400 (EDT) From: wbf@aloft.micro.lucent.com (William_B_Fox) Message-Id: <199909031303.JAA13147@badboy.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Resent-Message-ID: <"_HXAe3.0.PR1.GTypt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Playlist for "EMUSIC" "EMUSIC," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. http://www.wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html Show #130 September 2, 1999. Host: Bill Fox http://www.wdiyfm.org billfox@fast.net In loving memory of Alvin L. Fox... On this show, I began a month-long focus on Utah musician Robert Carty. Though unsigned, Robert releases his music on his CDR label, Deep Sky Music. Each CD is individually hand painted by Robert. The feature CD at midnight was Darklight. Robert Carty : http://www.california.com/~eameece/carty.htm EMUSIC Focus : http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/focus.html ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================= 11:00 pm Team Metlay Loremarie Bandwidth (Atomic City) Andy Pickford In Silent Vigil Works II - Live at Derby Guildhall (Medusa) Kevin Keller Hall of Mirrors Pendulum (Lektronic Soundscapes) Meg Bowles Strange Rapids From the Dark Earth (Kumatone) VA [Boots & Marselje] The Tears from the The Truth Is Twisted (Groove) Insane Bounce Like Bullets Off My Brain Roger Eno&Lol Hammond Room Without Lights Damage (Thirsty Ear) Ozma actualia one A Huge and Silent Place (Atomic City) Ozma lalande 21185 A Huge and Silent Place (Atomic City) Vidna Obmana For Ancient Crossed Memories Compiled 2 (Projekt) 12:00 am Robert Carty Gravitation Darklight (Deep Sky Music) Robert Carty Submerged Darklight (Deep Sky Music) Robert Carty Dark Glow Darklight (Deep Sky Music) Robert Carty Organic Elemental Darklight (Deep Sky Music) Robert Carty Window Darklight (Deep Sky Music) Robert Carty Sensory Link Darklight (Deep Sky Music) Robert Carty Darkness to Light Darklight (Deep Sky Music) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I will continue the month-long focus on Utah musician Robert Carty. This unsigned artist deserves widespread recognition. The Feature CD at Midnight will be The Mystic Choice. Eric Mystic, a DJ and Robert's biggest supporter in the music biz, chose the songs for this compilation of Robert's work. Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the EMUSIC pages. Playlists for every show are there. Hot links to artists and labels can be found in the monthly focus section. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 3 11:16:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06954; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:16:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:16:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:47:46 EDT Subject: Re: Mini-discs: To the point...(OT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 135 Resent-Message-ID: <"fO_Gf.0.Nz7.K_zpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 02/09/99 19:03:54 GMT Daylight Time, James.Lanpheer@cai.com writes: > that the "best" (highest quality of sound) option is to have TWO MD > recorders (i have one). Are there any other options that come VERY CLOSE to > this one? the 702 doesn't have a digital out, .....so best option is to get a non-portable minidisc player with digital out (their cheaper than the portables) as (as far as I know) you can't get a portable with digital out. while you will be copying digitally, the copy still won't be exact in the same way that a DAT or CD-R would be, because your signal is going to be decompressed and then Re-compressed, so you should keep track of which disc is the original and make all copies from that. Andy Butler.....runs on..... X-Sender: jamesrp@iris To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: EH Space Drums? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"mFo5R2.0.NL4.U1_pt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ok, so I went to the music store to buy strings and there was an individual selling a large amount of pedal effects, one of which was a pedal by Electro-Harmonics called the Space Drum(s) (?) - anyone know what the hell this does? This guy was selling all these to the store so I didn't feel comfortable about trying to get him outside and sell some to me. I'm sure the store ripped him off quite well, seeing as the guy didn't even know what any of teh stuff he was selling did, just wish I coulda hit him up BEFORE he got inside there. [.jamesrp@statenet.com.] From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 3 12:52:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30479; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:52:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:52:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000901bef626$93370800$c5b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> From: MKata@Wintegrity.com (Mark Kata) To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Vortex on Ebay for $26 ???!!! Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:08:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEF605.0BF30D60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"RW1w6.0.m05.eC_pt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEF605.0BF30D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's a Lexicon Vortex for sale on Ebay. The current bid is $26US. Happy bidding. Mark Kata Shelby Twp., Michigan http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=157052306 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEF605.0BF30D60 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="00 PDT) - Lexicon Vortex Morphing Processor. FAMOUS.url" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="00 PDT) - Lexicon Vortex Morphing Processor. FAMOUS.url" [InternetShortcut] URL=http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=157052306 Modified=C09D6D4326F6BE01E8 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEF605.0BF30D60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 3 13:09:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02525; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:09:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:09:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37CFFFA7.19F7EFA3@webms.com> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 10:04:39 -0700 From: paul buelow Organization: WebMS X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com, Anthony Mullen Subject: Re: Streaming real audio from a server that doesn't support it.... References: <073C734BD702D311A0E90001FA7E094782FA7A@letterbox.kscl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bq4vr1.0.Rx7._w_pt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anthony Mullen wrote: > > Hi folks, > > My service provider (globalnet) are crap and don't host real audio logicals > that I need to stream from my webspace.. > > Question is - is there a way around this - by installing some sort of server > side program to do this? > To http stream real audio from any server 1) Make your .rm file, preferably in encoder 5.0 (most compatible) at your chosen rate, for example 20/kbs and save the file i.e. audiofile.rm 2) Use a text file editor and make a new file that has the url of the .rm file, for example the file can inlcude one or more lines that would read http://www.myserver.com/audiofile.rm save the file as audiofile.ram 3) Post both files on the server and link to the .ram file for streaming and the .rm for download. General preference: 56k modem users can usually stream a file at 16kbs or 20kbs reasonably. MP3 can also be streamed using a similar method naming the 'wrapper' file audiofile.m3u MP3 is quite good for high quality files or 128kbs and real audio is very nice for low quality. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 3 13:16:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04005; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:16:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:16:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <015501bef62e$c24cbc90$5a05020a@beelzejuice.mecasw.com> From: "Ken M" To: Subject: Re: minidisc generations Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:07:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"JAD4W.0.WO.M00qt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >someone said (god knows who) ... 'twas me >I just wanted to clarify the posting that this was a response to (not my >post, but I have a nice example). In addition to any loss you get in going >to hardware, you'll get the compression error. Here's a way to look at it. > True, my argument didn't take the MD's compression ratio into account, it was a more broad stroke answer to what seemed a rather broad question. I interpreted the question as "Is it worth it to do digital copies when I don't seem to notice any tangible degredation using analog lines to copy." And as a broad answer to a broad question, Digital -> Digital copies are many orders of magnitude better than going Digital ->Analog / Analog ->Digital. Of course when talking compression, there's always lossage, BUT... Since the data is compressed at record time onto the MD, then the D->D transfer from one deck to another should copy the pre-compressed data so it doesn't have to go through another compression (I would HOPE this is how it works, please correct me if I'm wrong). BUT, if you go from the MD's digital information to analog (Uncompress the information, send it through the D:A converter) and into another MD recorder (Into another A:D converter, and now run the compressor on the "New" information) You are going to end up with serious generation loss after a while. It's like (Going back to your JPG reference) converting a JPG (Lossy Compression) to GIF (Lossless Compression), and then back to JPG.. The image will not handle many time doing this without a noticable blurring on the edges of the data. My last post on this off-topic topic... Glad to debate in e-mail though. Ken M. wgold@gnu.ai.mit.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 3 13:17:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04127; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:17:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:17:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37CFB528.3FC49010@texas.net> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 11:46:52 +0000 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EH Space Drums? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Kqk_v.0.d87.xj_pt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com the space drum goes "booooooooooooooo, boooooo, boooooooooooooo" like that horrible bad co. tune "rock-n-roll fantasy" a truly creative person could make this useful, but i'm not he. > Ok, so I went to the music store to buy strings and there was an individual > selling a large amount of pedal effects, one of which was a pedal by > Electro-Harmonics called the Space Drum(s) (?) - anyone know what the hell > this does? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 3 13:41:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10319; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:41:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:41:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:32:40 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Mini-discs: To the point...(OT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"QPnz92.0.iy1.yO0qt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > >but when I recorded grasshoppers at the foot of a cliff >they somehow got lost, although I could hear them through headphones while >recording >there was alot of other noise about (from the sea) so I guess the ATRAC >couldn't >handle it. that's the classic sort of thing that ATRAC handles badly. or any compression method for that matter. if you think that a random string of audio bits would be the hardest to compress, surf and noise are pretty damn close to a string of random bits! /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 3 14:26:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21113; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 14:26:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 14:26:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <012401bef638$443cf680$292a10ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "Tom Ritchford" , Subject: Re: Copying minidiscs Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 14:00:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Dn_5Z.0.-W4.f01qt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com These are all the questions I was about to ask! Answered! Magic! I haven't read all of the current thread to "copying minidiscs", but here's another question: s'poze I make a cool batch of recordings of solo loop gigs, and then I decide to edit them using Cakewalk or some other fairly low-budget computer software magic. Can I download the MD to my hard drive and go at it, then copy my brilliant results onto blank CD's for sale at exorbitant prices (with beautiful hand-made graphics on the cardboard jewelbox/envelope)? And does anyone know where to score those groovy cardboard jewelbox/envelope thingies, as opposed to the plastic crap which cracks easily, feels ugly, and probably emits wicked toxins as it degrades? And by the way, I believe discussion of recording in any medium begs the comparison to looping, as this exerpt from Ken M's post shows: "Test the theory if you must.. Take 2 Sony MD's, go line-out to line-in and make a copy. Turn it around and copy the copy, again, again, again until you hear the hiss. Now try it digital -> digital and note that the sound never alters from the original." Looks a lot like looping to me, eh? Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us >"Michael S. Yoder" wrote: > >>Saludos de la frontera! >> >>I have a question for those of you with experience in MD recording: >> >>Is it ABSOLUTELY crucial when making backup copies of MDs to record them >>digitally via the optical output and input? Is there noticeable audible >>difference by going through the line outs of one MD machine into the line >>ins of another MD machine? >> >>I have experience with DATs, and can hear no difference between an original >>DAT and the copy made via the line outs and line ins. This must mean that >>the D/A and A/D converters are good in the Sony DAT machines I use. I >>wondered if the (much cheaper) MD technology would be about the same. One >>can get a Sony MD deck for just under $200, but without optical output. > >This is an interesting question. > >MDs perform their magic using a "lossy" compression that throws away >most of the raw sonic information received to compress the bandwidth >and fit all that sound onto that little disk. > >The ATRAC encoding is very sophisticated and uses multiple >strategies to make sure that most of the information lost >is information that you could never possibly hear. > >But information is lost on each encoding->decoding step. >This will snowball and after several generations, you'll >start to hear artefacts. So I'd reckon, I've never tried >it, but this is universal to lossy compression methods. > >Note that this will happen whether or not you go through >an analog stage. And, as Michael says, a careful and >accurate analog copy is pretty indistinguishably close >to the original. > > >BUT, I'd still go with the digital I/O if you have >another device that reads it. It's just far simpler >to make an exact digital copy than an exact analog copy. > >Setting your levels wrong is a classic way to lose >bandwidth on a copy, not a problem with digital. > >Crosstalk or hum from other channels or instruments, >static electricity, these are all things that have >ruined analog copies of mine in the past. > >With digital, you plug them in and press record. >End of story. No work. > > >This is terribly off-topic of course. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 3 15:08:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31480; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:08:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:08:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <011801bef637$307d3a20$292a10ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "postaldave" , "Loopers" Subject: Re: Loopers here I come. Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:34:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Yey49.0.wo6.ta1qt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com . >About a month ago I saw a guy do a set with just him and his 6 sting martin. >He was a great player and a singer but he was doing a bunch of really cool >stuff. He first would lay down a a high hat feel on his guitar and it keeped >on going. then he would but in a bass beat and last a snare hit. by the time >he got done it sounded like a whole band, i was most impressed. So, postaldave, who was this mystery looper? And where did this excellent looping take place? I am always eager to hear what's being done in this format, as are many of the other Loopheads. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 3 14:39:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24805; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 14:39:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 14:39:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <012301bef638$2ceec6c0$292a10ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "postaldave" , "Loopers" Subject: Re: Loopers here I come. Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:34:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"pbDzF1.0.WV4.J01qt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com . >About a month ago I saw a guy do a set with just him and his 6 sting martin. >He was a great player and a singer but he was doing a bunch of really cool >stuff. He first would lay down a a high hat feel on his guitar and it keeped >on going. then he would but in a bass beat and last a snare hit. by the time >he got done it sounded like a whole band, i was most impressed. So, postaldave, who was this mystery looper? And where did this excellent looping take place? I am always eager to hear what's being done in this format, as are many of the other Loopheads. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 3 15:52:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10251; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:52:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:52:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37D02600.BB06DC6E@webms.com> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 12:48:16 -0700 From: paul buelow Organization: WebMS X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Anthony Mullen Subject: Re: Streaming real audio from a server that doesn't support it.... References: <073C734BD702D311A0E90001FA7E094782FA7A@letterbox.kscl.com> <37CFFFA7.19F7EFA3@webms.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aSHA62.0.9y1.TK2qt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If you still have a problem sending real audio from your server check to be sure the mime type is defined. The real audio files 'mime type' - mail information multimedia extensions must be defined by the server mime configuration file. Mime sends the proper file type info to the requester - your browser to open it with helper apps. Send a note to the admin asking to edit the server mime type and add file types for ra, rm, ram and smil, midi mp3 etc. types If the admin is unavailable you can usually overide the mime type settings by uploading a text file named .htaccess with proper override mime commands for these types fo files to the directory where the files are. The mime settings, in either the directory's .htaccess file (that you created) or the servers mime conf file (that the admin edited) might look something like this, though I'm not sure I'm doing this from memory and I don't know what server you use? allowoverride = yes AddType audio/x-pn-realaudio AddType audio/x-pn-realaudio-plugin AddType audio/x-pn-realaudio ra rm AddType audio/mpeg mp3 m3u Action audio/mpeg AddType audio/x-midi mid paul buelow wrote: > > Anthony Mullen wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > > > My service provider (globalnet) are crap and don't host real audio logicals > > that I need to stream from my webspace.. > > > > Question is - is there a way around this - by installing some sort of server > > side program to do this? > > > > To http stream real audio from any server > > 1) Make your .rm file, preferably in encoder 5.0 (most > compatible) at your chosen rate, for example 20/kbs and > save the file i.e. audiofile.rm > > 2) Use a text file editor and make a new file that has > the url of the .rm file, for example the file can > inlcude one or more lines that would read > http://www.myserver.com/audiofile.rm save the file as > audiofile.ram > > 3) Post both files on the server and link to the .ram > file for streaming and the .rm for download. > > General preference: > 56k modem users can usually stream a file at 16kbs or > 20kbs reasonably. MP3 can also be streamed using a > similar method naming the 'wrapper' file audiofile.m3u > > MP3 is quite good for high quality files or 128kbs and > real audio is very nice for low quality. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 3 16:37:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21498; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:37:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:37:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00b001bef64a$df81ef80$476fc8d0@computer> From: "postaldave" To: "Loopers" Subject: reply to K. Douglas Baldwin Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:28:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"05Juw2.0.no4.y-2qt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "So, postaldave, who was this mystery looper? And where did this excellent looping take place? I am always eager to hear what's being done in this format, as are many of the other Loopheads." I don't know his name, it took place at the newsong music festival in Kentucky a few weeks ago. The guy was doing a praise and worship set for a high school event. I have seen some great musician do great P and W sets but this guy was really great. I do this type of music myself and hope to create some of the same sounds that he did. only four more days till i get my 'rang. yahoo!!!!!!!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 3 17:23:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32478; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:23:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:23:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <018a01bef651$5b252f20$5998adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: unlikely combo Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:14:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ODJ25.0.aR7.Ye3qt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com just thought I'd share that those the first cut each of the Electric Bird Noise clips and Laswell's Miles remix mix together very nicely . . . (one's streaming off the computor and one's blasting over the KRK's upstairs) all the best this Friday--drive safe and be aware of the potato salad Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 3 17:32:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02696; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:32:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:32:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <019001bef652$b004ac40$5998adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: other Harmony FS Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:24:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"P2W_P.0.jx7.9n3qt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com oh yeah . . . the $ 100 Vortex on Harmony is long gone ;) but therre's another $400 Jammie on Harmony in the last day or so . . . why the low price ? ;) word's getting out that the PDS 8000 pedal is the ultimate looper . . . (Flame shields on FULL) Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 3 17:30:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02391; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:30:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:30:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <018d01bef652$3f1a6c40$5998adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: Jamman FS on Harmony Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:21:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"dCYFg.0.Rp7.Bk3qt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com since Travis is asleep or grilling pork steaks thought I'd post this: e-mail the seller, not me------as is the custom, offenders will be forced to listen to Hanson loops Guitar Effects for Sale: Asking Price: US$N/A Condition: Mint Age: N/A Description: Roland Guitar Synth: GK-2A(new),GR-09 w/exp board...$400 Marshall JMP-1: Valve pre-amp.......................$350 Lexicon JamMan w/32sec memory upgrade...............$400 Real Tube Rack pre-amp: RT-902......................$150 BBE 422A Sonic Maximizer............................$100 Furman PL-Plus power conditioner....................$110 Rolls MIDI-buddy: midi footcontroller...............$65 SKB Roto-rack:6 space...............................$60 Plus shipping!! All of the above equipment is in Excellent condition!! SNIP Seller: Robin Ray, 704-522-3699 E-mail: aircooled_twins@yahoo.com (Profile) Location: CHARLOTTE, NC Post Date: 9/2/99 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 3 18:43:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18794; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:43:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:43:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <45a362cb.2501a643@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:31:31 EDT Subject: Re: unlikely combo To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"M1UwZ2.0.244.1o4qt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > just thought I'd share that those the first cut each of the Electric Bird > Noise clips and Laswell's Miles remix mix together very nicely . . . (one' > streaming off the computor and one's blasting over the KRK's upstairs) iv'e been busted..........i was going for the dark side / wizard of oz vibe......just kidding.....thanks for sharing the observation tom! back to music.....looping ......life...etc. brian electric bird noise live on the web at: www.abl.com/at/ home : http://members.aol.com/ebnoise/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 3 19:12:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24524; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 19:12:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 19:12:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37D0556B.E24E4251@erols.com> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 19:11:01 -0400 From: "J.G. Wong" Reply-To: adaaxs@erols.com Organization: Tokusatsu.com, Tokusatsu Access Archive X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers gear sources References: <199909031704.NAA01282@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gfFHL3.0.Nk5.XI5qt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Everybody, I was doing some research on some places to buy gear, I have to do several setups of my basic stuff so cost becomes a factor. I was looking at a short list of gear and came up with some surprising results. I was looking at a Guyatone pedal (Wah Rocker), at Gaspedal (a favored site) it was $79, at Analog Man it was $ 89. I found some Harmony Central reviews and the average price paid was $ 55. Of course 8th St would match anybody's best price, but who else is selling pedals and other gear at this price point ? Any replies would be appreciated. G. Wong (Fiveman) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 3 20:07:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03556; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:07:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:07:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990903194428.007a93a0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 19:44:28 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: EH Space Drums? In-Reply-To: <37CFB528.3FC49010@texas.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"JXzRT1.0.AD7.Si5qt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks a lot, Bobdog. Now that song is looping through my head. Please make it stop. (I think that was a GR-500 on that one, too, not that it makes it ok...) If you hooked a space drum to a Boomerang and turned the loop around backwards, it would go "ooooooob?, ooooooob?, ooooooob?". That wouldn't really be all that useful either, though. At 11:46 AM 9/3/99 +0000, you wrote: >the space drum goes "booooooooooooooo, boooooo, boooooooooooooo" like that >horrible bad co. tune "rock-n-roll fantasy" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 3 21:44:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23461; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:44:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:44:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37D0731C.79B33A1F@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 18:17:16 -0700 From: Chlorine Dream X-Sender: "Chlorine Dream" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Ensoniq DP/PRO? Still worth buying? References: <199909031716.NAA04023@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fmHop1.0.8L4.v97qt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anyone have any opinions about this unit? I've seen one used for $410 at a local music shop. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 3 21:48:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24576; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:48:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:48:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37D077CA.BD23FDC3@sfsu.edu> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 18:37:14 -0700 From: Matt Davignon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EH Space Drums? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rfPAV3.0.PJ5.wU7qt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Okay, imagine a generic disco song. Do you hear those bulbous sounds that sound like quick falling smooth synth drums? It's in the rhythm track. (No, they're not in stayin' alive.) That's what the EH Space Drum is. You can change it so it's a falling or rising pitch. You can either play it with sticks or run it through an outside source (like a drum machine or contact mike on a real drum or pad). You can even mount it on a drum set. EH also made a similar product called the "Panic Button" that makes higher pitched not as smooth drum sounds of the same type. Heh heh, I have both! matt davignon James Pearce wrote: > Ok, so I went to the music store to buy strings and there was an individual > selling a large amount of pedal effects, one of which was a pedal by > Electro-Harmonics called the Space Drum(s) (?) - anyone know what the hell > this does? This guy was selling all these to the store so I didn't feel > comfortable about trying to get him outside and sell some to me. I'm sure the > store ripped him off quite well, seeing as the guy didn't even know what any > of teh stuff he was selling did, just wish I coulda hit him up BEFORE he got > inside there. > > [.jamesrp@statenet.com.] From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 3 21:52:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25072; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:52:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:52:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37D0785C.7F9E4B40@sfsu.edu> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 18:39:41 -0700 From: Matt Davignon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EH Space Drums? References: <3.0.5.32.19990903194428.007a93a0@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7J5Wq1.0.iU5.bW7qt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If you want, you can make it go "oooob?" by itself by adjusting the dials the right way. Then all the dancers go away, one by one. Your momma stops callin too, but you're not having so much fun anymore. matt davignon Tim Nelson wrote: > Thanks a lot, Bobdog. Now that song is looping through my head. Please make > it stop. (I think that was a GR-500 on that one, too, not that it makes it > ok...) > > If you hooked a space drum to a Boomerang and turned the loop around > backwards, it would go "ooooooob?, ooooooob?, ooooooob?". That wouldn't > really be all that useful either, though. > > At 11:46 AM 9/3/99 +0000, you wrote: > >the space drum goes "booooooooooooooo, boooooo, boooooooooooooo" like that > >horrible bad co. tune "rock-n-roll fantasy" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 3 22:32:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00770; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 22:32:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 22:32:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990904022153.30214.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [208.253.13.205] From: "Matt Rowe" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ensoniq DP/PRO? Still worth buying? Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 19:21:52 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"jMY_J3.0.4e7.d98qt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i have one and i love it. the looping time is very limited, but you can really twist a loop once it's in there. you can even slow it down until it stops. it can do alot of bizarre things well, due to it's ability to set parameters far beyond "normal" settings. more than that, some of the effects (reverb and dynamics) are top notch. a big point against the dp/pro is the *serious* lag time while changing presets. this can really suck live, but in certain applications, like mine, it doesn't matter too much. i'm keeping my eyes open for a second dp/pro if i can get one cheap enough. matt >From: Chlorine Dream >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Ensoniq DP/PRO? Still worth buying? >Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 18:17:16 -0700 > >Anyone have any opinions about this unit? I've seen one used for $410 at >a local music shop. > > The price I pay for free, private email is the following commercial message... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 4 02:29:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19297; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 02:29:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 02:29:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: EH Space Drums? Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:36:42 -0700 Message-ID: <000501bef372$ce55bfa0$9d83c8d8@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <"d8YH62.0.hL2.G0Bqt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, it's no big loss, really. Although most EH pedals had a peculiar personality, they were all made with shit parts and were very noisy. Hunting down the same effects by other manufacturers should make up for most. The Space Drum was one of the family of percussive effects. The Space Drum was supposed to be played together with the others. All it does is produce a sine wave-like pitch-changing note, ostensibly to simulate the way a tabla player can change the pitch of the drum by moving his hand over the skin after hitting it. It had that sensitive pad and you played it with sticks. The most vociferous uses of the Space Drum was in some disco hits in the late seventies that will go unnamed, but which were annoying to say the least. Now, if you had a bunch of Space Drums, you could simulate a bunch of drums really well, everything from big timpani to tom-toms, plus, all the spacy effects you could come up with. It was kind of uncomfortable to change the parameters at the same time as playing it, hence the need to have a few of them to play with. Since you were supposed to hit them with sticks, they broke down quite often. The Simmons drum set was supposed to take up the slack, but since the Space Drum was a lot cheaper, it did last a few years until EH itself croaked. The other effects were variations of this idea, and I remember fondly the "Rolling Thunder," which sounded like nuclear explosions, especially if you put some echo or reverb on it. EH also had a very simplistic drum machine, with a few grooves on it, and the Space Drum had been incorporated into some of the grooves. You had a tempo knob and another knob to change the patterns. It was said to have been programmed by some of the "best" drummers in the world. It was funky, kind of. I treasure an EH pedal called "Attack Decay." This one was marketed to simulate how Hendrix could play "reverse" licks on his records, so you could sound live as though you were playing reverse. All it has is a bunch of filters and some very good and sensitive slow attacks, and can mix your guitar sound together with some oscillator-like tones (a la Microsynthesiser), which can get quite Frippy. Because the oscillator-like thing has its own tone, your guitar can appear to have more sustain than it actually has. This one is really cool, especially with lots of echoes, chorus, flange, etc. The tone can only be attenuated as though with a "treble" control -- there are no synth-like "wah" filters here. Of course, this was no Roland guitar synth for sensitivity -- you had to work with it. Also, if you see a "Memory Man," pick it up. At the end of an effect chain, before the stereo begins, it can give the whole mix a nice spacy, wide sensation, and the echoes are very analoguey, meaning, low quality, so they mesh up together to be rather like a reverb field. Another cool pedal I remember is the "PolyChorus," which was a "Small Chorus" on steroids. It had many more controls over the chorus effect, and did sound a lot better to my ears than the Small Chorus -- less noisy -- and even better than the DOD or MXR chorus effects going around at that time. However, when the TC Electronics and Boss chorus effects came out, that blew the others out of the water; plus, the PolyChorus was no longer made then. Other people have mentioned the famed EH "Guitar Synthesiser," and I do remember some sweet colors and tones coming out of it. However, the thing was very fragile, and it was very easy to make it stop working. They did try to improve the design, but by that time it was going to be too expensive. EH always tried to aim the things at the "poor" musician, if I recall. It was OK if Jimmy Page didn't use EH stuff, for example, but they wanted all musicians in the little towns in the USA to use EH pedals. Come to think of it, did Page ever use an EH thing? | -----Original Message----- | From: James Pearce [mailto:jamesrp@statenet.com] | Sent: Friday 03 September 1999 9:01 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: EH Space Drums? | | | Ok, so I went to the music store to buy strings and there was | an individual | selling a large amount of pedal effects, one of which was a pedal by | Electro-Harmonics called the Space Drum(s) (?) - anyone know | what the hell | this does? This guy was selling all these to the store so I didn't feel | comfortable about trying to get him outside and sell some to | me. I'm sure the | store ripped him off quite well, seeing as the guy didn't even | know what any | of teh stuff he was selling did, just wish I coulda hit him up | BEFORE he got | inside there. | | [.jamesrp@statenet.com.] | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 4 04:24:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06875; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 04:24:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 04:24:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 00:35:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Gibson update Resent-Message-ID: <"pgvyE1.0.Xf7.nkCqt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yeah, yeah, yeah... we're workin' on it! dreaming up completely new loop functions, then trying to figure out how to make them work elegantly with all the other loop functions is no simple thing....more like wine making than engineering....but we're getting there. Believe me, we want to be finished working on the new Loop software generation just as badly as you want to begin using it! enjoy the holiday, kim At 7:52 PM -0700 8/31/99, Future Perfect wrote: >Well, in the mean time, what about the Echoplex upgrade???? ETA???? > >Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices >http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > >'Future Perfect' - art music >http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 4 04:37:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA09438; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 04:37:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 04:37:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 01:05:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Gibson update Resent-Message-ID: <"4n20n3.0.k01.JBDqt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 4:18 PM -0700 8/31/99, Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: >I just talked to a customer support rep at Gibson who seemed a little more >in the know. He said he was talking to one of the hardware developers >working on the echoplex, and that as of 2 weeks ago the developer was able >to get hold of an original EDP to make a schematic from. ever play that game, telephone? where you tell something to somebody, and they tell it to somebody else, and then somebody else, and so on, and eventually the story comes back to you completely different? I think we just played that. >Since it's going to take them a little longer than a two weeks to work out a >schematic, design, build and produce the new product, anyone who was waiting >out for a new echoplex to be released (like myself) is screwed. Once again, THERE IS NO NEW ECHOPLEX BEING PRODUCED. No new designing, no new schematics, no long engineering cycles, etc. Its the SAME echoplex, with just a delay in production while they figure out some byzantine business organizational issues. Once they have their shit together, they just start producing and shipping them again, as things are more or less set up and ready to go. It's not nearly as complicated as some of you seem to have imagined it here, just slow as they decide how they want to handle the product. The Gibson people seem to be working pretty hard to get it sorted out now. In fact, I recently witnessed a whole batch of mostly finished units! So have some patience, and harass Gibson every now and then so they don't forget how badly you want it. I hear they like that. ;-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 4 05:28:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA18520; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 05:28:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 05:28:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Future Perfect" To: Subject: RE: Gibson update Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 04:56:43 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"j2GC82.0.uB3.SwDqt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, uh...ok, but, uh, maybe if you tell us what all of these funtions are, we can offer helpful and insightful suggestions on how to elegantly implement it...yeah, thats it. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > > yeah, yeah, yeah... we're workin' on it! > > dreaming up completely new loop functions, then trying to figure > out how to > make them work elegantly with all the other loop functions is no simple > thing....more like wine making than engineering....but we're > getting there. > Believe me, we want to be finished working on the new Loop software > generation just as badly as you want to begin using it! > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 4 05:45:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA21179; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 05:45:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 05:45:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990904091536.21313.rocketmail@web105.yahoomail.com> Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 02:15:36 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Gibson update To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"foCiE2.0.Ew3.9CEqt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hmmmmm..... A technological marvel whose creators are loath to releasing.....maybe it should be called the "Gibson Oppenheimer". Sorry Kim. I could not resist. :) Yes dammit, I'll probably buy another one! John > It's not nearly as > complicated as some of you seem > to have imagined it here, just slow as they decide > how they want to handle > the product. The Gibson people seem to be working > pretty hard to get it > sorted out now. In fact, I recently witnessed a > whole batch of mostly > finished units! So have some patience, and harass > Gibson every now and then > so they don't forget how badly you want it. I hear > they like that. ;-) > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | > http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | > Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > === John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 4 11:43:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22495; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 11:43:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 11:43:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 11:17:08 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: RE: Gibson update Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"URqNY1.0.Dk4.kfJqt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Well, uh...ok, but, uh, maybe if you tell us what all of these funtions >are, we can offer helpful and insightful suggestions on how to elegantly >implement it...yeah, thats it. seconded. let us know, we'll comment and even help with the coding (well, that might be hard in practice...) /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 4 12:38:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01222; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 12:38:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 12:38:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37D10127.70BC9913@texas.net> Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 11:23:24 +0000 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: reply to K. Douglas Baldwin References: <00b001bef64a$df81ef80$476fc8d0@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"di_UC.0.9T7.oTKqt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com could this have been phil keaggy? he's a praise & worshippin' christian acoustic looping guitar maniac. it's very hip when he sings background harmony into the sound hole & loops it. the opening acts do tend to be kinda lame, though... bobdog postaldave wrote: > "So, postaldave, who was this mystery looper?" > > I don't know his name, it took place at the newsong music festival in > Kentucky a few weeks ago. > The guy was doing a praise and worship set for a high school event. I have > seen some great musician do great P and W sets but this guy was really > great. I do this type of music myself and hope to create some of the same > sounds that he did. only four more days till i get my 'rang. yahoo!!!!!!!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 4 15:30:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02673; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 15:30:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 15:30:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000601bef70a$b1f96dc0$636fc8d0@computer> From: "postaldave" To: Subject: Re: reply to K. Douglas Baldwin Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 15:21:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"yK5kI.0.GC.A6Nqt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com could this have been Phil keaggy? he's a praise & worshippin' Christian acoustic looping guitar maniac. it's very hip when he sings background harmony into the sound hole & loops it. the opening acts do tend to be kinda lame, though... bobdog no it wasn't Phil, and I agree is opening set is lame. although I have never seen harmony in the sound hole trick I have been most impress with his other stunts. even if you hate every song he does he is a must see just for the sake of seeing what he can do with his guitar. I really have no idea who the guy was that was the looper. all I could think about is what he was doing not who was doing it. ........only three to four more days till the 'rang arrives. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 4 19:34:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17629; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 19:34:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 19:34:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 16:12:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Gibson update Resent-Message-ID: <"L4gZ-3.0.zL3.2TQqt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:17 AM -0700 9/4/99, Tom Ritchford wrote: >> Well, uh...ok, but, uh, maybe if you tell us what all of these funtions >>are, we can offer helpful and insightful suggestions on how to elegantly >>implement it...yeah, thats it. > >seconded. let us know, we'll comment and even help with the coding >(well, that might be hard in practice...) > > /t We're always open to feedback and suggestions! Most of our new Loop features come from user ideas, and we work closely with a variety of users on new ideas and concepts. Feel free to send us a note any time and join in. But I'm not going to let any secrets out of the bag, cause that would spoil all the fun! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 4 20:09:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24318; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 20:09:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 20:09:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0DB57F2@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: query for info Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 19:54:55 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"Nsnxm1.0.ZT5.i9Rqt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi, anyone on the list have a lovetone wobulator? if so please contact me as i'd like some information about it. thanks, stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 4 22:26:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18966; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 22:26:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 22:26:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990904222226.007a0a90@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 22:22:26 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Kellar Jam Bass In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"SPCuG2.0.Gx3.w6Tqt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just stumbled upon this site: Has anyone on the list tried this thing out? If it works anything like it's supposed to, I'm seeing some loop-potential here... Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 5 00:04:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06040; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 00:04:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 00:04:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990904222226.007a0a90@pop.ici.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 20:59:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Kellar Jam Bass Resent-Message-ID: <"XSs8O3.0.k21.CgUqt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 7:22 PM -0700 9/4/99, Tim Nelson wrote: >I just stumbled upon this site: > >Has anyone on the list tried this thing out? If it works anything like it's >supposed to, I'm seeing some loop-potential here... > >Tim uh, how is that? It seemed like an interesting midi controller (assuming you play guitar and like root-fifth bass lines), but I didn't see that it did anything like looping at all. what's the "loop-potential" of it? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 5 02:43:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA07745; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 02:43:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 02:43:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Future Perfect" To: Subject: RE: Gibson update Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 02:27:13 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"1xGeS3.0.3A1.uqWqt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My suggestion, which I think I mentioned a long time ago... When the feedback value is changed, especially with a midi expression pedal, the display would change for an instant to the feedback value (1-128) so it would be easier to predict the fades. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > Feel free to send us a note any time > and join in. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 5 05:34:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA05511; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 05:34:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 05:34:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 02:18:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Gibson update Resent-Message-ID: <"jPEZT2.0.rj.XLZqt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:27 PM -0700 9/4/99, Future Perfect wrote: >My suggestion, which I think I mentioned a long time ago... >When the feedback value is changed, especially with a midi expression >pedal, the display would change for an instant to the feedback value (1-128) >so it would be easier to predict the fades. > >Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices >http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave Yep, we got that one in there. It shows you the value as you change it, whether it be from front panel knob, footpedal, or midi. It's incredibly handy, especially when using a pedal where it's hard to tell exactly where you've set it. We call this the Eichenberger function. :-) I love simple, practical ideas like that, making it easier to use. Friendly, intuitive user interfaces are the most critical piece of designing new instruments. We easily spend most of our development time in this area. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 5 06:50:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA17694; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 06:50:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 06:50:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37D249EE.776@club-internet.fr> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 12:46:06 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Gibson update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mx7hY3.0.5E4.Jdaqt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > We're always open to feedback and suggestions! Most of our new Loop > features come from user ideas, and we work closely with a variety of users > on new ideas and concepts. Feel free to send us a note any time and join in. > > But I'm not going to let any secrets out of the bag, cause that would spoil > all the fun! > > kim > ideas are only wagons, are nothing without a strong nuclear phylosophy to run them on a secure railway network. Only trying to focus different ideas coming from heterogene directions can go into severe crashes. Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 5 11:05:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29385; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 11:05:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 11:05:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990905105825.0079e930@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 10:58:25 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Kellar Jam Bass In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.19990904222226.007a0a90@pop.ici.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Aimct2.0.4O6.BBeqt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Not by itself! But as a controller that doesn't require a lot of floor space or that you take your hands off your instrument, it sure seems like it would be useful in a looping rig. That is if it CAN do more than root-fifth basslines, of course, which I suspect it can. By "loop-potential", I was thinking more of whether it would be at all useful to change device settings, trigger samples, etc. in conjunction with existing gear, and wondered if anyone had tried this. Tim At 08:59 PM 9/4/99 -0700, you wrote: >>I just stumbled upon this site: >> >>Has anyone on the list tried this thing out? If it works anything like it's >>supposed to, I'm seeing some loop-potential here... >uh, how is that? It seemed like an interesting midi controller (assuming >you play guitar and like root-fifth bass lines), but I didn't see that it >did anything like looping at all. what's the "loop-potential" of it? > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 5 11:34:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03217; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 11:34:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 11:34:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Doug Lawrence" To: Subject: RE: query for info Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 11:05:05 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0DB57F2@migarexch01.maritz.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"YQoMk3.0.Z67.oPeqt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Don't know if this helps ... if you are in the New York City area pedalman.com has one for sale, so you may be able to check it out in person. The specs look interesting on paper. Like the other Lovetone pedals, this seems to be quite a unique product. Lovetone still makes these and does offer a money back guarantee on it's pedals when you order directly from them. It will just cost you the shipping to check it out, which is about $20-30 US. This is their most expensive pedal and would cost about $415 US at today's exchange rate. There are a bunch of other tremolo pedals out there too - Custom Audio Super Tremolo Rocktron Surf Tremolo Dunlap Tremolo TS-1 Fulltone Supatrem Roger Mayer Voodoo Vibe Colorsound Tremolo Demeter Tremulator TRM-1 -----Original Message----- From: Liebig, Steuart A. [mailto:LiebigSA@Maritz.com] Sent: Saturday, September 04, 1999 7:55 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Subject: query for info hi, anyone on the list have a lovetone wobulator? if so please contact me as i'd like some information about it. thanks, stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 5 12:59:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18990; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 12:59:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 12:59:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: RE: query for info Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 09:37:51 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bef7bc$fedf1e20$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"Dqs682.0.ph3.Bnfqt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hughes and Kettner has a tube tremelo, "the Rotosphere" I think and it has been on sale at Guitar Center for awhile- Cliff There are a bunch of other tremolo pedals out there too - Custom Audio Super Tremolo Rocktron Surf Tremolo Dunlap Tremolo TS-1 Fulltone Supatrem Roger Mayer Voodoo Vibe Colorsound Tremolo Demeter Tremulator TRM-1 -----Original Message----- From: Liebig, Steuart A. [mailto:LiebigSA@Maritz.com] Sent: Saturday, September 04, 1999 7:55 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Subject: query for info hi, anyone on the list have a lovetone wobulator? if so please contact me as i'd like some information about it. thanks, stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 5 13:17:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22859; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:17:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:17:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 08:26:36 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, LiebigSA@Maritz.com Subject: Re: query for info Resent-Message-ID: <"hpYwb2.0.Gx4.9Agqt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> "Liebig, Steuart A." 09/04 5:02 PM >>> > anyone on the list have a lovetone wobulator? if so please contact me as i'd like some information about it. Single minded dedication to the difficult task of acquiring every last Lovetone product being made. I'll bet you'd like the Cheese Source as well... (nudge nudge, wink wink...) Truthfully... I really love my Big Cheese. I'm probably gonna have to buy one of their big boxes one day... The LXP15II is da shit for me... It's funny how a certain piece of gear will impart an elusive sonic signature. I'm pleased to have this box back... I just dialed up a patch and modified it to act like my old faves and there it was... a beautiful liquid sounding verb/delay which still keeps the main signal clear while adding a very liquid waterworld ambiance. Amazing. There's a bunch of things it doesn't have like tap tempo and different waveforms for the LFO, but all in all I'm really stoked to have it back. Hope all's well with you! -m From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 5 14:42:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07117; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:42:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:42:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:13:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Multiple Loop Reset Resent-Message-ID: <"G15ho1.0.NV.hDhqt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi Kim, I've been playing with making granular tpye loops all weekend, or at least when my wife let's m have time away fromher projects. I have Record, and Overdub in "SUS" mode and insert on "rpl" per your instrucions to make micro-loops. Any list memebers who have not tried this and are into making textural ambient type music should get right on it. I've set up multiple loops and have been utilizing Loop copy, etc. In the Echoplex Manual it states: "You can reset all the loops by a long press of RECORD (to reset the current loop) followed by long press of MULTIPLY." This does not work when RECORD is in "SUS" mode however. Is there anyway to reset all loops in this situation? Can this be part of the Upgrade? Once again congratulations on a GREAT piece of Gear. I still love my jam men, but the two plexi are so much more powerful when one digs into the various possibilites available. On to some Plex stutterring.... Back to playing. Patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 5 16:55:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01211; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 16:55:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 16:55:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990905204827.39461.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.138.85] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: query for info Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 13:48:27 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"Cysu41.0.Qw7.1Tjqt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com cool dude...you deserve to have the gear to facilitate your modulations...loop on Biffoz...I'm on it creating an amazing routing map of my gear..p.s. lost the email for the wiring connection/without sodder(sp?)please forward...My backs a bit bettter no more cliff jumping.....best to you and yours...papadave OOOOOOmmmmm and OOOOOut >From: "Mike Biffle" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, LiebigSA@Maritz.com >Subject: Re: query for info >Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 08:26:36 -0700 > > >>> "Liebig, Steuart A." 09/04 5:02 PM >>> > > anyone on the list have a lovetone wobulator? if so please contact >me as i'd like some information about it. > >Single minded dedication to the difficult task of acquiring every >last Lovetone product being made. I'll bet you'd like the Cheese >Source as well... (nudge nudge, wink wink...) Truthfully... I really >love my Big Cheese. I'm probably gonna have to buy one of their big >boxes one day... > >The LXP15II is da shit for me... It's funny how a certain piece of >gear will impart an elusive sonic signature. I'm pleased to have this >box back... I just dialed up a patch and modified it to act like my >old faves and there it was... a beautiful liquid sounding verb/delay >which still keeps the main signal clear while adding a very liquid >waterworld ambiance. Amazing. There's a bunch of things it doesn't >have like tap tempo and different waveforms for the LFO, but all in >all I'm really stoked to have it back. > >Hope all's well with you! >-m > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 5 18:59:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25432; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 18:59:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 18:59:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Lewistenis@aol.com Message-ID: <4e7c4d9.25044d6b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 18:49:15 EDT Subject: Jam man To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"0cl_X1.0.Xj5.OElqt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm looking for a Jam Man to buy. Does anyone have one? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 5 20:06:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06855; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:06:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:06:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 16:59:52 -0700 From: "sock s" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Echoplex LED display problems , Alto Music X-Sender-Ip: 208.142.15.25 Organization: N2Mail (http://www.n2mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xIrg3.0.xM1.TGmqt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I purchased an Echoplex from Alto Music in early spring around March/April I think. Since then (about 1-2 months ago) Ive noticed that one of the LEDs on the display was staying "half lit" (?) all the time , shortly after another one did the same. (now this makes it impossible to tell the difference between certain numbers) When I first got the Echoplex the very tip of one of the rackmount ears was dented and bent slightly (I really hope that didnt happen after it was built etc..) . I asked Alto Music if I could exchange for another one or complete refund. They said that another one could probably not be gotten etc.. and they refused to refund/pay shipping either way. (I do think thats pretty crappy) Im not sure what to do about this What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 5 20:33:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12616; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:33:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:33:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 17:29:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex LED display problems , Alto Music Resent-Message-ID: <"AVxZg2.0.Kz2.Phmqt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 4:59 PM -0700 9/5/99, sock s wrote: > >I purchased an Echoplex from Alto Music in early spring around March/April >I think. > >Since then (about 1-2 months ago) Ive noticed that one of the LEDs on the >display was staying "half lit" (?) all the time , shortly after another one >did the same. (now this makes it impossible to tell the difference >between certain numbers) > >When I first got the Echoplex the very tip of one of the rackmount ears >was dented and bent slightly (I really hope that didnt happen after it >was built etc..) . I asked Alto Music if I could exchange for another >one or complete refund. They said that another one could probably not be >gotten etc.. and they refused to refund/pay shipping either way. (I do >think thats pretty crappy) > >Im not sure what to do about this Why don't you just get the LED fixed? Sounds like a simple problem that any electronics tech could take care of. Gibson customer service could probably recommend somebody to you. Or, if your echoplex is totally useless to you with a broken LED, I'll give you $100 bucks for it. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 5 20:46:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16075; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:46:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:46:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 17:42:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Multiple Loop Reset Resent-Message-ID: <"DUWKQ2.0.Je3.Otmqt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:13 PM -0700 9/5/99, Patrick Smith wrote: >hi Kim, > >I've been playing with making granular tpye loops all weekend, or at least >when my wife let's m have time away fromher projects. I have Record, and >Overdub in "SUS" mode and insert on "rpl" per your instrucions to make >micro-loops. Any list memebers who have not tried this and are into making >textural ambient type music should get right on it. woohoo, you're having fun now! > >I've set up multiple loops and have been utilizing Loop copy, etc. In the >Echoplex Manual it states: > >"You can reset all the loops by a long press of RECORD (to reset the >current loop) followed by long press of MULTIPLY." > >This does not work when RECORD is in "SUS" mode however. yes, that's true. A bit of a limit of the SUS Record. >Is there anyway to >reset all loops in this situation? Can this be part of the Upgrade? unfortunately, no, there's no way to do it with the current software. I never liked that either, its an unfortunate tradeoff for the coolness of SUS functions. The best you can do for reset is tap a short loop of silence, so it shuts up. That doesn't help the multiple loop case very much, unless you were to quickly copy this silent loop to the others, which isn't so great either. In the next generation software, we have a way to reset this. (through midi.) >Once >again congratulations on a GREAT piece of Gear. I still love my jam men, >but the two plexi are so much more powerful when one digs into the various >possibilites available. On to some Plex stutterring.... thanks! we've got a lot more SUS stuff coming in LoopIV, yer gonna be in granular heaven... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 5 22:19:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03503; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 22:19:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 22:19:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: <878ec161.25047d16@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 22:12:38 EDT Subject: Re: Multiple Loop Reset To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 246 Resent-Message-ID: <"Vx3uU3.0.iY.0Doqt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 09/05/1999 8:45:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kflint@annihilist.com writes: << thanks! we've got a lot more SUS stuff coming in LoopIV, yer gonna be in granular heaven... >> Kim...please let us know when Loop !V upgrade is available. Regards, Wayne From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 6 00:04:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26214; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 00:04:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 00:04:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990906035706.46688.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.138.106] From: "David Potter" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplex LED display problems , Alto Music...Me too!!!! Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 20:57:05 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"gyyNi3.0.c26.ukpqt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Me too!!!I also got an EDP from Alto and it doesn't turn on the first time I power up. I have to turn it on several times to get it to work.There have been a few other weird happenings...getting stuck with the 3 cycling about. Kind of scary..It's still under warranty...so I may have it repaired befor It freaks out anymore. papadave55@hotmail.com >From: "sock s" >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Echoplex LED display problems , Alto Music >Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 16:59:52 -0700 > > > >I purchased an Echoplex from Alto Music in early spring around March/April >I think. > >Since then (about 1-2 months ago) Ive noticed that one of the LEDs on the >display was staying "half lit" (?) all the time , shortly after another one >did the same. (now this makes it impossible to tell the difference between >certain numbers) > >When I first got the Echoplex the very tip of one of the rackmount ears was >dented and bent slightly (I really hope that didnt happen after it was >built etc..) . I asked Alto Music if I could exchange for another one or >complete refund. They said that another one could probably not be gotten >etc.. and they refused to refund/pay shipping either way. (I do think >thats pretty crappy) > >Im not sure what to do about this > > > > >What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. >http://www.n2mail.com > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 6 01:55:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA18397; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 01:55:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 01:55:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37D356CF.3427D1A0@erols.com> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 01:53:43 -0400 From: "J.G. Wong" Reply-To: adaaxs@erols.com Organization: Tokusatsu.com, Tokusatsu Access Archive X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: tremelo References: <199909060035.UAA13444@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------8C9044263451DB9C902658C7" Resent-Message-ID: <"OlbzT.0.OF4.xNrqt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --------------8C9044263451DB9C902658C7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Rocktek Vibrator is agood value for $19.99 MF is blowing them out, it sounds good and has a wider ranger than most amp trems. Fiveman > Hughes and Kettner has a tube tremelo, "the Rotosphere" I think and it has > been on sale at Guitar Center for awhile- > > Cliff > > There are a bunch of other tremolo pedals out there too - > > Custom Audio Super Tremolo > Rocktron Surf Tremolo > Dunlap Tremolo TS-1 > Fulltone Supatrem > Roger Mayer Voodoo Vibe > Colorsound Tremolo > Demeter Tremulator TRM-1 > > --------------8C9044263451DB9C902658C7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Rocktek Vibrator is agood value for $19.99 MF is blowing them out, it sounds good and has a wider ranger than most amp trems.

Fiveman

Hughes and Kettner has a tube tremelo, "the Rotosphere"  I think and it has
been on sale at Guitar Center for awhile-

Cliff

There are a bunch of other tremolo pedals out there too -

Custom Audio Super Tremolo
Rocktron Surf Tremolo
Dunlap Tremolo TS-1
Fulltone Supatrem
Roger Mayer Voodoo Vibe
Colorsound Tremolo
Demeter Tremulator TRM-1

--------------8C9044263451DB9C902658C7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 6 05:06:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA24688; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 05:06:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 05:06:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9B6D04348808D311B1EE0090277A40A7AD99F0@usilms12.cai.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 01:44:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex memory upgrade. Resent-Message-ID: <"dXaBy.0.v35.Jxtqt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:13 PM -0700 8/31/99, Lanpheer, James wrote: >Basic question: > >Is it important that the SIMMs that install to upgrade the memory be the >same type as the one already in the module? > >More specifically: >To max out my Echoplex, do i need 4 SIMMs or will 3 (and leaving the one >already in there) do the job? They install in pairs. The two simms in a pair have to be the same type, but the two pairs can be different from each other. To max out the echoplex, you have to use four 4MB 30 pin simms. Parity doesn't matter, and speed shouldn't either. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 6 08:29:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA29163; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 08:29:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 08:29:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <6598fe82.25050a32@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 08:14:42 EDT Subject: Re: tremelo To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"I0OhN2.0.eQ6.S1xqt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i think some of the pedals listed are vibrato pedals and not trem. vibrato is pitch bending...trem is volume fluctuations. i have a rocktron surf trem and think it is awesome. you get 2 outputs with hard and softer tremelo and also built-in noise reduction and compression. it also has an enhance knob to put some of the sparkle back in the signal if you going through a lot of effects. it is a little on the expensive side but well worth it if you like the extras. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 6 09:56:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14587; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:56:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:56:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990906134203.94181.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.137.70] From: "David Potter" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: wholesale wiring without solder? Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 06:42:02 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"Ih78-2.0.Hr2.GJyqt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Will someone send me the place to order bulk cables and the plug ins. There is no solder involved with this type of wiring.much thanks papadave55@hotmail.com om and out ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 6 10:59:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27920; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 10:59:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 10:59:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37D3D21E.E1C@voicenet.com> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 10:39:26 -0400 From: legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: FS: Dunlop Tremelo References: <6598fe82.25050a32@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bgrZc3.0.Bz5.5Ezqt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com With all this tremelo talk I thought i post my Dunlop TS1 tremelo pedal. as new in box. never gigged, less then 10 hours of use total actually. manul etc. One of the most verstile tremelos out there (adjustable waveform, stereo outs switchable to mono, etc)and built like a tank. Asking $85 plus shiping or pickup in Phila. Email Legion@voicenet.com Thanks! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 6 11:23:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00924; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 11:23:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 11:23:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "nicholas konopka" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Recorders Message-Id: <936630813.26475.978@excite.com> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 08:13:33 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 216.41.33.163 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"r0ERb.0.ka7.6fzqt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com To all interested in portable recorders. I have a SONY DAT (walkman) for sale. All resonable offers considered. email perihelion.1@excite.com Nick.. ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 6 13:39:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03963; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 13:39:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 13:39:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990906100318.014aa500@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 10:03:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Subject: Re: wholesale wiring without solder? In-Reply-To: <19990906134203.94181.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"pcRTH.0.so6.4C_qt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com http://www.georgels.com/ At 06:42 AM 9/6/99 PDT, papadave55 wrote: >Will someone send me the place to order bulk cables and the plug ins. >There is no solder involved with this type of wiring.much thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 6 13:55:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07801; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 13:55:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 13:55:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <274d3330.250552ad@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 13:23:57 EDT Subject: Re: wholesale wiring without solder? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"NFLa4.0.nB.SZ_qt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i think your talking about george L cables really cheap, and amazing sounding, and the tips are solderless www.georgels.com rodrigo In a message dated 9/6/99 9:55:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, papadave55@hotmail.com writes: > Will someone send me the place to order bulk cables and the plug ins. > There is no solder involved with this type of wiring.much thanks > papadave55@hotmail.com om and out > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 7 00:40:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15981; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 00:40:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 00:40:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Lewistenis@aol.com Message-ID: <264635b2.2505ef4e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 00:32:14 EDT Subject: Used boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"Cs6XP3.0.ia3.6M9rt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm looking for a used boomerang. Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 7 04:30:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA31550; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 04:30:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 04:30:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004a01bef904$fa227460$a788b3d1@bob> From: "Jean or Colin Jenkinson" To: Subject: Re: Used boomerang Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 00:45:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"8Rms41.0.Qr5.2GCrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm looking for a used Larry. Boomerang From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 7 06:59:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA24580; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 06:59:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 06:59:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 06:47:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Loop This! Resent-Message-ID: <"mgPRw.0._X5.KtErt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com FNGP is happy to announce the next project on board for FingerPaint. We are looking for sonic contributions from list members to be used at our discretion for our CD release "Loop This!" The loops can be ambient swirly material, bass lines, drum loops, rhythm tracks, vocal lines, samples, melodies, anything....it is up to the contributor. (All loops should contain only material created by the contributor, with sample clearance for our use.) Why are we doing this? It is a common notion that randomness is an indispensable ingredient of creative acts. In FingerPaint we begin our pieces by improvising loop(s). We use multiple JAM MEN, ECHPLEXI, & DIGITECH TIME MACHINES as well as multiple effects boxes and synths to create our loops. Then we play with this material and see what develops. Since distance and budgetary constraints prevent us from inviting other loopers directly into our studio, we are exploring this avenue as a way to begin working with other musicians. "Loop This!" will be released under the name of the FingerPaint Collective. IF we use your material, you will be fully credited on the CD, our web site and anywhere else we can infiltrate. Our two previous CD releases have generated several reviews and air play round the world. Also any one who's material makes it on the CD will receive 5 CD's to keep for the grandchildren.... When this project becomes financially solvent royalties will be paid out in accordance with the number of participants. Eventually we my be doing this with MP3 files posted directly to our site. A remix of this project is also possible. Let's explore. Send your material on DAT or CD to: FNGP PO BOX 5364 Takoma Park, MD 20913 Peace, Patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 7 07:09:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA26571; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 07:09:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 07:09:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990907104650.006cf49c@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:46:50 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: leocavallo Subject: Re: Used boomerang Resent-Message-ID: <"_hUqF3.0.8d5.xvErt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com used looking that I am.... larry the (human) boomerang At 00.45 07/09/99 -0700, you wrote: >I'm looking for a used Larry. >Boomerang > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 7 08:33:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09924; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 08:33:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 08:33:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990907121325.006c3144@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 14:13:25 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: leocavallo Subject: Re: Loop This! Resent-Message-ID: <"TgrmS3.0.xP1.V5Grt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I can mail you a few hi-quality mp3s if you want... which genres are you interested in? I am somewhat "specialized" in drum loops.... let me know ciao leo At 06.47 07/09/99 -0500, you wrote: >FNGP is happy to announce the next project on board for FingerPaint. We are >looking for sonic contributions from list members to be used at our >discretion for our CD release "Loop This!" The loops can be ambient swirly >material, bass lines, drum loops, rhythm tracks, vocal lines, samples, >melodies, anything....it is up to the contributor. (All loops should >contain only material created by the contributor, with sample clearance for >our use.) > >Why are we doing this? It is a common notion that randomness is an >indispensable ingredient of creative acts. In FingerPaint we begin our >pieces by improvising loop(s). We use multiple JAM MEN, ECHPLEXI, & >DIGITECH TIME MACHINES as well as multiple effects boxes and synths to >create our loops. Then we play with this material and see what develops. >Since distance and budgetary constraints prevent us from inviting other >loopers directly into our studio, we are exploring this avenue as a way to >begin working with other musicians. "Loop This!" will be released under the >name of the FingerPaint Collective. > >IF we use your material, you will be fully credited on the CD, our web site >and anywhere else we can infiltrate. Our two previous CD releases have >generated several reviews and air play round the world. Also any one who's >material makes it on the CD will receive 5 CD's to keep for the >grandchildren.... When this project becomes financially solvent royalties >will be paid out in accordance with the number of participants. > >Eventually we my be doing this with MP3 files posted directly to our site. >A remix of this project is also possible. Let's explore. > >Send your material on DAT or CD to: > >FNGP >PO BOX 5364 >Takoma Park, MD >20913 > >Peace, > >Patrick > Fingerpaint's New Release: > > IN THE LOOP > > ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and > obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. > > DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 > > http://www.fingerpaint.net > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 7 10:55:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09867; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:55:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:55:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37D5226C.2383DAB0@node.net> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 10:34:20 -0400 From: James Keepnews Reply-To: keepnews@node.net Organization: * - node - * X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Gibson update References: <199909060038.UAA13869@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"X66E7.0.N81.7AIrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com First, Kim Flint writes: > yeah, yeah, yeah... we're workin' on it! > > dreaming up completely new loop functions, then trying to figure out how to > make them work elegantly with all the other loop functions is no simple > thing....more like wine making than engineering....but we're getting there. > Believe me, we want to be finished working on the new Loop software > generation just as badly as you want to begin using it! Then, as if to slip into a pair of slyboots, Kim Flint goes ahead and writes: > Once again, THERE IS NO NEW ECHOPLEX BEING PRODUCED. No new designing, no > new schematics, no long engineering cycles, etc. Its the SAME echoplex, > with just a delay in production while they figure out some byzantine > business organizational issues. Well, er, uh, please to forgive me for prying, KF -- your time is your own, as far as I'm concerned, and provided it's consensual and not within the Great State of Georgia, what you do with codes and diodes is your own charming affair -- but, em, er, if, as you remark with such dramatic elan, "THERE IS NO NEW ECHOPLEX BEING PRODUCED...Its (sic) the SAME echoplex, with just a delay in production," I, ep, umm, well, what in tarnation are you spending all this time "dreaming up completely new loop functions, then trying to figure out how to make them work elegantly with all the other loop functions..." if it's to be the same, without these dreamy new functions and suchnot added? Why not go out dancing? Or stock up on Fresca before the End Times hit? You take my meaning? Some clarification, please, on this old EDP/new EDP rollout -- are they going to make the old right up to the point that there is a new? Will your software be an upgrade to what already exists or will us loopies need to shell out for a whole new bundle of hardware? I seek to know "when" only in relation to "what". Thank you. However, as if the aforementioned weren't enough, Kim Flint goes on and writes: > We're always open to feedback and suggestions! Well, since you brought it up...here's suggestions: 1. The capability of dividing any loop length by any integer..."but, but, Jamie, th-that would mean, I don't know, dividing a six-second loop by, goodness, one of those loathsome prime numbers, like seventy-one, w-wouldn't it?" You bet your g-dd-mn f-cking -ss it would, you craven little girlboy (sorry...talking to myself again...). Perhaps each of these irreducible fractions treatable as a "virtual" loop, to be taken apart, conceivably, out of sequence or treated separately in the series they were divvied up in. Along these lines: 2. A loop "sequencer" -- needn't be much more than ye olde analogue fteppf fequencerf of yore, just something that says to the EDP "play loop 1 twice, play loop 2 once, 3 is straight out, then play loop 4 backwards, then 1 on a ramp from quarter speed to full speed again within the length of the loop; repeat. Serve hot." with multiple "songs" to be stored. Along these lines: 3. More speed flexibility, including ramping functions like the one discussed above -- if we can no longer spin a knob to speed things up and slow them down, let them crunch numbers. Similarly, like my first suggestion, the possibility of coming up with your own sick, sick ratios, like 16/97, or 2/1, and the ability to ramp between the two within a given time frame. While we're dreaming: 4. Back-uping EDP "macros" (i.e., the loop, the speeds, the "songs," etc.) onto Zip drives or other SCSI-enabled storage devices. Also, the ability to read these in, and other file formats as well (e.g. AIFF, WAV, QuickTime, AKAI, SDMI (psych!), etc.) -- if it's a sampler we loop with at the turn of the century, the dad-blamed contraption ought to behave like one. Along these final wishfully-thinking lines: 5. Digital I/O, yo. Not one of these may be implemented by the EDP but I bring them up because, with patience and the urge, MAX/MSP can do these today. Five years, gang, and we'll all be bringing PowerBooks (or their 2004 equivalents) on the gigs. Now, if someone will create a USB-to-1/4" converter... ----------------------------------------------------------------- ~ > --- James Keepnews --- < "Don't quote anybody, Sir!" (.-.) > -- Multimedia Yahoo -- < \ * -- Krishnamurti - > - keepnews@node.net - < ----------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 7 11:45:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21399; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:45:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:45:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 08:33:04 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com, papadave55@hotmail.com Subject: Re: wholesale wiring without solder? Resent-Message-ID: <"KAKjw1.0.1a4.U2Jrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Here ya go Narendra! http://www.georgels.com/ Someday we'll get it all patched together... -m >>> "David Potter" 09/06 6:54 AM >>> Will someone send me the place to order bulk cables and the plug ins. There is no solder involved with this type of wiring.much thanks papadave55@hotmail.com om and out ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 7 13:20:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13146; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:20:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:20:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <031101bef952$4112d3e0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Copying minidiscs Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:58:48 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"5SBDu.0.7O2.3RKrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just returned to my computer today and read this thread on MD copying... Pretty complete discussion but I didn't see this mentioned - For those who can afford it, there are MD decks which copy the data stream as recorded on the MD. I.e., it does NOT pass through the ATRAC decompression/compression algorithm. This produces a clone of the MD. These decks are intended for the pro market and the their prices reflect it. (You need two machines to clone a MD, of course.) See the minidisc community page (www.minidisc.org ?) for more details. Now we need a service company to dup minidiscs in this fashion. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tom Ritchford To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, September 02, 1999 1:00 PM Subject: Re: Copying minidiscs >>IMHO: If you have the choice between D->D copying or >>D->A->D ALWAYS take the D->D copy. You may not notice >>a great deal of generation loss at first, but it's there. > >well, there will be generational loss even in an >uncompressed digital transfer, due to jitter or >just errors. the error correction will handle >*nearly all* of them... > > >>going through a >>digital:analog converter, and then back again analog:digital >>gives you a much wider sensitivity to distortion, hiss, electronic >>buzz > >much as I love digital, I can't really agree with this. > >if your levels are set properly, there should be little or >no noise added. the d/a/d sections on a professional or >semi-professional machine will be better than 90dB, so if they >were the only problem you could make a hundred generations before >getting to the level of an analog mastering deck or a million >generations before getting down to the level of a good cassette deck. > >You'd be much more likely to get noise from other sources >interfering with your copies between the two conversion sections. > >> >>Test the theory if you must.. Take 2 Sony MD's, go line-out to line-in >>and make a copy. Turn it around and copy the copy, again, again, >>again until you hear the hiss. Now try it digital -> digital and note >>that the sound never alters from the original. >> >>Ken > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 7 13:50:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27035; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:50:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:50:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37D54B15.AAF4EF7D@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 19:27:49 +0200 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: fr,en-US,fr-BE,en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Gibson update References: <199909060038.UAA13869@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <37D5226C.2383DAB0@node.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HF4jx.0.Dq4.AqKrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com James Keepnews wrote: > > 2. A loop "sequencer" -- needn't be much more than ye olde analogue fteppf fequencerf > of yore, just something that says to the EDP "play loop 1 twice, play loop 2 once, 3 is > straight out, then play loop 4 backwards, then 1 on a ramp from quarter speed to full Ev'ry body dance the MEGALOOP just dreaming Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 7 14:39:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17709; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:39:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:39:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:26:05 EDT Subject: Re: minidisc generations To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 135 Resent-Message-ID: <"dOAyX1.0.g23.KZLrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 03/09/99 18:15:50 GMT Daylight Time, wgold@mecasw.com writes: > Of course when talking compression, there's always lossage, BUT... Since > the data is compressed at record time onto the MD, then the D->D transfer > from one deck to another should copy the pre-compressed data so it doesn't > have to go through another compression (I would HOPE this is how it works, > please correct me if I'm wrong). Sadly I don't think the lossless copy from MD to MD is possible as the digital O/P is in a format that gear without ATRAC can read. I haven't heard of a minidisc with a separate O/P for the compressed data, which is what would be needed. I guess this is something to do with the paranoia that the recording industry has about 'pirate' copies. > please correct me if I'm wrong). Andy Butler From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 7 15:39:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01002; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:39:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:39:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <035501bef965$dbc88fc0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: minidisc generations Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:19:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"rsJWk2.0.0X7.hUMrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check out the Sony MDS-W1 for a home deck that will "clone" an MD. Check out the "pro" Sony MDS-B5/MDS-B6P (4x speed "cloning"). Then there's the Denon 045R MiniDisc Replicator at a cool $4200. All are lossless copiers. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: SoundFNR@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 1:41 PM Subject: Re: minidisc generations >In a message dated 03/09/99 18:15:50 GMT Daylight Time, wgold@mecasw.com >writes: > >> Of course when talking compression, there's always lossage, BUT... Since >> the data is compressed at record time onto the MD, then the D->D transfer >> from one deck to another should copy the pre-compressed data so it doesn't >> have to go through another compression (I would HOPE this is how it works, >> please correct me if I'm wrong). >Sadly I don't think the lossless copy from MD to MD is possible as the >digital O/P >is in a format that gear without ATRAC can read. I haven't heard of a >minidisc >with a separate O/P for the compressed data, which is what would be needed. >I guess this is something to do with the paranoia that the recording industry >has >about 'pirate' copies. > please correct me if I'm wrong). > >Andy Butler > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 7 15:44:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02477; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:44:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:44:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37D57883.17687901@toddreynolds.com> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 15:43:08 -0500 From: Todd Reynolds X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: asking for some advice.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QtWpw2.0.Hx7.dbMrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com dear looping partner's in crime, am adding some new gear to my rack and so far have had some issues with gain structure. i wondered if i could solicit some advice. here is the gear... sony freedom series wireless system at line level... a pendulum audio preamp lexicon mpx G2 effects unit jamman echoplex all going to a walter woods amplifier. the questions i have are concerned with signal path. i have been sending my instrument thru the preamp to the amp, then sending and returning through all the other gear from the amp itself. i'm thinking of sending and returning from the preamp itself, doing all the processing and looping, then going to the amp in the end with the effected signal. would any of you be kind enough to offer me some suggestions or feedback? thanks, todd reynolds -- Todd Reynolds "paint as you like, and die happy" - henry miller 500B Grand St. 11G New York, NY 10002 212 475-8559 phone 917 861-1755 cell, pager, et al. todd@toddreynolds.com http://www.toddreynolds.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 7 16:35:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16500; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:35:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:35:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37D533BE.5F9B@ithacastring.com> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 15:48:14 +0000 From: Eric Aceto Reply-To: eric@ithacastring.com Organization: Ithaca Stringed Instruments X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: asking for some advice.... References: <37D57883.17687901@toddreynolds.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"M3jGM2.0.9R3.5JNrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > the questions i have are concerned with signal path. i have been > sending my instrument thru the preamp to the amp, then sending and > returning through all the other gear from the amp itself. i'm thinking > of sending and returning from the preamp itself, doing all the > processing and looping, then going to the amp in the end with the > effected signal. would any of you be kind enough to offer me some > suggestions or feedback? > Hi Todd, I have a similar type of rig. The Pendulum has such a great stereo effects buss that I would certainly use that feature. I have the SPS-1(stereo preamp) and I use the second channel for feeding back my looped signal. That way I can put a pedal in line and control the level of the loop on the fly enableing me to fade it in and out and other cool stuff. If you have the mono unit ,it still has a stereo effects buss. With pedals in line you can do a lot of interaction with your separate effects units and still keep a nice clean uneffected signal mixed in for a super clear sound.I am always trying different combinations but I usually like to keep that loop in it's own channel. You could even feed that to the second channel on the WOODS if it has one. How was your Broadway gig? Besregards, Eric -- drop on by for a visit http://www.ithacastring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 7 18:05:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05615; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:05:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:05:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00d801bef97c$e7e10fa0$9c76d6d1@micronjenni> From: "Jenni Leeds" To: Subject: upon the fringes of looplicity... Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:03:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D5_01BEF952.EAD7D380" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"6_mXE1.0.U01.JfOrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D5_01BEF952.EAD7D380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am having recurring problems viewing live real video from my = computer. Being one who sometimes needs to be walked through certain = "difficult" applications, I am wondering if anyone would be willing to = enlighten me as to how to gain access to a live real-video = stream...specifically ARS Electronica Festival 1999 (9/9/99 Carl Stone = [utilizing a Powerbook and MAX/MSP loopnology] will be performing his = 9-minute tape piece entitled SpeedGuel as part of "Recombinant 9/9/99", = the final event featuring Ikue Mori, Otomo Yoshihide, and Scot Jenerik = as well). Any help (directions, ideas, web-sites) will be beneficial.=20 On another distant looping note, I finally paid off my Echoplex DP = and am thoroughly enjoying the creative possibilities. It meshes with my = "style" well. Strangely it is a brand new piece of equipment, yet came = with a surprising 53 seconds of memory (-only expecting 12secs.)! Is = this normal? I'm not complaining. My vortex should arrive via Palomba = Music in NY anyday. The owner Benny ROCKS! Well recommended.=20 Furthermore my insatiable queries into unorthodox guitar signal = processing has brought me across an interesting synth called a Microwave = XT by Waldorf. Does anyone have knowledge of this wonder. It looks very = appetizing! http://www.waldorf-gmbh.de/ Evidently, with a 1/4" input = you can plug anything from guitar to vocals into this thing and tweek it = into the next millenium. Nice! Perhaps, though, all I really need is the = 4-pole filter thingy which is much less expensive and just as = devastating. Peace in,=20 Jamie p.s. This echoplex software update songs tantalizing! Granulations? wow. ------=_NextPart_000_00D5_01BEF952.EAD7D380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    I am having = recurring=20 problems viewing live real video from my computer. Being one who = sometimes needs=20 to be walked through certain "difficult" applications, I am = wondering=20 if anyone would be willing to enlighten me as to how to gain access to a = live=20 real-video stream...specifically ARS Electronica Festival 1999 (9/9/99 = Carl=20 Stone [utilizing a Powerbook and MAX/MSP loopnology] will be performing = his=20 9-minute tape piece entitled SpeedGuel as part of "Recombinant=20 9/9/99", the final event featuring Ikue Mori, Otomo Yoshihide, and = Scot=20 Jenerik as well). Any help (directions, ideas, web-sites) will be = beneficial.=20
    On another = distant looping=20 note, I finally paid off my Echoplex DP and am thoroughly enjoying the = creative=20 possibilities. It meshes with my "style" well. Strangely it is = a brand=20 new piece of equipment, yet came with a surprising 53 seconds of memory = (-only=20 expecting 12secs.)! Is this normal? I'm not complaining. My vortex = should arrive=20 via Palomba Music in NY anyday. The owner Benny ROCKS! Well recommended. =
    Furthermore my = insatiable=20 queries into unorthodox guitar signal processing has brought me across = an=20 interesting synth called a Microwave XT by Waldorf. Does anyone have = knowledge=20 of this wonder. It looks very appetizing! http://www.waldorf-gmbh.de/ = ;=20 Evidently, with a 1/4" input you can plug anything from guitar to = vocals=20 into this thing and tweek it into the next millenium. Nice! Perhaps, = though, all=20 I really need is the 4-pole filter thingy which is much less expensive = and just=20 as devastating. Peace in,
Jamie
 
p.s. This echoplex software update = songs=20 tantalizing! Granulations? wow.
------=_NextPart_000_00D5_01BEF952.EAD7D380-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 7 20:55:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11331; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:55:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:55:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19990907194105.03fec440@mail.winternet.com> X-Sender: r4c@mail.winternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 19:53:02 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "L. Stafford" Subject: Re: upon the fringes of looplicity... In-Reply-To: <00d801bef97c$e7e10fa0$9c76d6d1@micronjenni> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"u47Lx2.0.RT2.HARrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 05:03 PM 9/7/99 -0500, you wrote: > > Furthermore my insatiable queries into unorthodox guitar signal > processing has brought me across an interesting synth called a Microwave XT > by Waldorf. Does anyone have knowledge of this wonder. It looks very > appetizing! http://www.waldorf-gmbh.de/ > Evidently, with a 1/4" input you can plug anything from guitar to vocals into > this thing and tweek it into the next millenium. Nice! Perhaps, though, all I > really need is the 4-pole filter thingy which is much less expensive and just > as devastating. Peace in, > Jamie > > p.s. This echoplex software update songs tantalizing! Granulations? wow. The audio input on the XT is kind of a bonus to its incredible synthesis capabilities. I have the MicrowaveII (XT w/o the input & extra knobs) which never ceases to amaze me. It would be a shame to use this box as solely a processing unit. If you just want the filters, go w/ the 4-pole, X-pole or D-pole (the software plugin). If you want some impressive synthesis capability, go w/ the MWII or XT (or XTk if you want the keyboard). The Waldorf synths also have some of the best user interfaces of ANY synth I have ever used. Be prepared to program it because its not a "preset" synth, but you will certainly be rewarded for putting in a little effort to prog it because these things put out some amazing sounds. Like anything, try it before you buy it because the MW series have a very unique sound that may not be to everyone's taste. After purchasing a creamware pulsar synthesis/audio mixing card & native instruments' Generator/Reaktor, the only outboard synth gear that I actually use anymore is a Waldorf and an oberheim MX1000. This probably says much about the MW's unique sound which can't be easily duplicated by anything else. Additionally, the MW's are software upgradable which is as easy as downloading a MIDI file and playing it in your sequencer into the MW. You might also want to check out the Waldorf mailing list (mailto:user-forum-request@waldorf-gmbh.de?subject:"subscribe"). Lorren Stafford Richard For Cerebellum/A Most Happy Sound http://www.winternet.com/~r4c http://www.futureperfect.org/art/happy.html "We ask ourselves whether truly this is the beginning of a new world or whether perhaps the world...is about to perish. There are people who earnestly and seriously fear this, where music becomes the slave of the machine..." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 7 21:37:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20538; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:37:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:37:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37D5BB91.C8CF259C@sfsu.edu> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 18:27:45 -0700 From: Matt Davignon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loop This! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"T48SG.0.8P4.hjRrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That's a great idea! Hopefully you just got an email from me yesterday and would be interested in the "source/product" idea. I'd love to send some contributions, but I have to make the time. When should I have them in by? matt davignon Patrick Smith wrote: > FNGP is happy to announce the next project on board for FingerPaint. We are > looking for sonic contributions from list members to be used at our > discretion for our CD release "Loop This!" The loops can be ambient swirly > material, bass lines, drum loops, rhythm tracks, vocal lines, samples, > melodies, anything....it is up to the contributor. (All loops should > contain only material created by the contributor, with sample clearance for > our use.) > > Why are we doing this? It is a common notion that randomness is an > indispensable ingredient of creative acts. In FingerPaint we begin our > pieces by improvising loop(s). We use multiple JAM MEN, ECHPLEXI, & > DIGITECH TIME MACHINES as well as multiple effects boxes and synths to > create our loops. Then we play with this material and see what develops. > Since distance and budgetary constraints prevent us from inviting other > loopers directly into our studio, we are exploring this avenue as a way to > begin working with other musicians. "Loop This!" will be released under the > name of the FingerPaint Collective. > > IF we use your material, you will be fully credited on the CD, our web site > and anywhere else we can infiltrate. Our two previous CD releases have > generated several reviews and air play round the world. Also any one who's > material makes it on the CD will receive 5 CD's to keep for the > grandchildren.... When this project becomes financially solvent royalties > will be paid out in accordance with the number of participants. > > Eventually we my be doing this with MP3 files posted directly to our site. > A remix of this project is also possible. Let's explore. > > Send your material on DAT or CD to: > > FNGP > PO BOX 5364 > Takoma Park, MD > 20913 > > Peace, > > Patrick > Fingerpaint's New Release: > > IN THE LOOP > > ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and > obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. > > DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 > > http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 7 21:38:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21023; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:38:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:38:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37D5BB51.52E4BD15@erols.com> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 21:26:51 -0400 From: "J.G. Wong" Reply-To: adaaxs@erols.com Organization: Tokusatsu.com, Tokusatsu Access Archive X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Tremelo References: <199909071845.OAA19174@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------BB56338BA79E30ACEF67E0D6" Resent-Message-ID: <"Pr_w22.0.NJ4.NgRrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --------------BB56338BA79E30ACEF67E0D6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI : The Rocktek Vibrator is a tremelo pedal (although I can't figure out why they infer vibrato). I actually wasn't aware they there are true vibrato pedals out there. Which ones are they. I've always relied on the rackmounts or the synths for that sort of effect. Fiveman PJ wrote: > i think some of the pedals listed are vibrato pedals and not trem. vibrato is > pitch bending...trem is volume fluctuations. i have a rocktron surf trem and > think it is awesome. you get 2 outputs with hard and softer tremelo and also > built-in noise reduction and compression. it also has an enhance knob to put > some of the sparkle back in the signal if you going through a lot of effects. > it is a little on the expensive side but well worth it if you like the > extras. =-) > --------------BB56338BA79E30ACEF67E0D6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI : The Rocktek Vibrator is a tremelo pedal (although I can't figure out why they infer vibrato).  I actually wasn't aware they there are true vibrato pedals out there.  Which ones are they.  I've always relied on the rackmounts or the synths for that sort of effect.

Fiveman

PJ wrote:

i think some of the pedals listed are vibrato pedals and not trem. vibrato is 
pitch bending...trem is volume fluctuations. i have a rocktron surf trem and 
think it is awesome. you get 2 outputs with hard and softer tremelo and also 
built-in noise reduction and compression. it also has an enhance knob to put 
some of the sparkle back in the signal if you going through a lot of effects. 
it is a little on the expensive side but well worth it if you like the 
extras. =-)
--------------BB56338BA79E30ACEF67E0D6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 7 21:55:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25409; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:55:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:55:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990907215556.0079c130@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 21:55:56 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: upon the fringes of looplicity... In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990907194105.03fec440@mail.winternet.com> References: <00d801bef97c$e7e10fa0$9c76d6d1@micronjenni> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"7k5Ay1.0.2e5.X_Rrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What are "endless rotaries"? At 07:53 PM 9/7/99 -0500, you wrote: >At 05:03 PM 9/7/99 -0500, you wrote: >> >> Furthermore my insatiable queries into unorthodox guitar signal >> processing has brought me across an interesting synth called a Microwave XT >> by Waldorf. Does anyone have knowledge of this wonder. It looks very >> appetizing! http://www.waldorf-gmbh.de/ >> Evidently, with a 1/4" input you can plug anything from guitar to vocals into >> this thing and tweek it into the next millenium. Nice! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 7 22:21:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31462; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 22:21:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 22:21:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: asking for some advice.... Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 19:15:53 -0700 Message-ID: <001501bef9a0$14129bc0$a083c8d8@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <37D57883.17687901@toddreynolds.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"4QcMH3.0.cQ7.fSSrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, first thing you should try all possible wirings and decide which sounds better to you. But in general, amplifying should be last. Unless someone else disagrees, of course. | -----Original Message----- | From: Todd Reynolds [mailto:todd@toddreynolds.com] | Sent: Tuesday 07 September 1999 1:43 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: asking for some advice.... | | | dear looping partner's in crime, | | am adding some new gear to my rack and so far have had some issues with | gain structure. i wondered if i could solicit some advice. | | here is the gear... | | | | sony freedom series wireless system at line level... | | a pendulum audio preamp | | lexicon mpx G2 effects unit | | jamman | echoplex | | all going to a walter woods amplifier. | | | the questions i have are concerned with signal path. i have been | sending my instrument thru the preamp to the amp, then sending and | returning through all the other gear from the amp itself. i'm thinking | of sending and returning from the preamp itself, doing all the | processing and looping, then going to the amp in the end with the | effected signal. would any of you be kind enough to offer me some | suggestions or feedback? | | thanks, | | todd reynolds | | -- | Todd Reynolds "paint as you like, and | die happy" - henry miller | 500B Grand St. 11G | New York, NY 10002 | | 212 475-8559 phone | 917 861-1755 cell, pager, et al. | | todd@toddreynolds.com | http://www.toddreynolds.com | | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 7 23:32:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08010; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:32:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:32:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19990907121325.006c3144@mail.dada.it> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:27:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: Loop This! Resent-Message-ID: <"VAjYd3.0.li1.2VTrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I can mail you a few hi-quality mp3s if you want... which genres are you >interested in? >I am somewhat "specialized" in drum loops.... > >let me know >ciao >leo > > The genres are up to you leo. you can go to our site and listen to some of our past material. We are wide open. Drum loops would be hot though.Steev is looking into setting up a ftp site for the MP3's I'll get back to you. patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 7 23:32:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08051; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:32:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:32:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37D5BB91.C8CF259C@sfsu.edu> References: Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:25:30 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: Loop This! Resent-Message-ID: <"PVVFL1.0.PW1.6TTrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi matt, I just saw your message and will read it soon. We would love to have your contribution " the patient said..." There is no firm submission date as of yet, but perhaps we need to consider that. Patrick >That's a great idea! Hopefully you just got an email from me yesterday and >would be interested in the "source/product" idea. > >I'd love to send some contributions, but I have to make the time. When >should I >have them in by? > >matt davignon > >Patrick Smith wrote: > >> FNGP is happy to announce the next project on board for FingerPaint. We are >> looking for sonic contributions from list members to be used at our >> discretion for our CD release "Loop This!" The loops can be ambient swirly >> material, bass lines, drum loops, rhythm tracks, vocal lines, samples, >> melodies, anything....it is up to the contributor. (All loops should >> contain only material created by the contributor, with sample clearance for >> our use.) >> >> Why are we doing this? It is a common notion that randomness is an >> indispensable ingredient of creative acts. In FingerPaint we begin our >> pieces by improvising loop(s). We use multiple JAM MEN, ECHPLEXI, & >> DIGITECH TIME MACHINES as well as multiple effects boxes and synths to >> create our loops. Then we play with this material and see what develops. >> Since distance and budgetary constraints prevent us from inviting other >> loopers directly into our studio, we are exploring this avenue as a way to >> begin working with other musicians. "Loop This!" will be released under the >> name of the FingerPaint Collective. >> >> IF we use your material, you will be fully credited on the CD, our web site >> and anywhere else we can infiltrate. Our two previous CD releases have >> generated several reviews and air play round the world. Also any one who's >> material makes it on the CD will receive 5 CD's to keep for the >> grandchildren.... When this project becomes financially solvent royalties >> will be paid out in accordance with the number of participants. >> >> Eventually we my be doing this with MP3 files posted directly to our site. >> A remix of this project is also possible. Let's explore. >> >> Send your material on DAT or CD to: >> >> FNGP >> PO BOX 5364 >> Takoma Park, MD >> 20913 >> >> Peace, >> >> Patrick >> Fingerpaint's New Release: >> >> IN THE LOOP >> >> ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and >> obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. >> >> DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 >> >> http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 7 23:40:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09645; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:40:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:40:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37D61209.AA67982@columbus.rr.com> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 23:36:42 -0800 From: Darrell Jones Reply-To: djones01@columbus.rr.com Organization: Intra Sites X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Echoplex sells for $3,050.00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ialP52.0.L-1.LZTrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Echoplex sells for $3,050.00 on EBAY! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=154268378 Jones From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 8 00:41:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25378; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 00:41:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 00:41:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: RE: asking for some advice.... Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:08:15 -0700 Message-ID: <000301bef9af$c64116a0$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <001501bef9a0$14129bc0$a083c8d8@electra> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"WWHXA2.0.1h3.i3Urt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Attention all Loopers- I am interested in the thread regarding signal path/ gear setup- any genius out there who could interface a program that makes diagrams like Guitar Shop or basic schematic type diagrams to a web form? I will host- and I have some web knowledge myself- it would be interesting to see how everyone sets up- My setup just is not satisfying right now- and I seem to change it depending on what I want to do- I guess having a clear idea on what you want to do makes the configuring part much easier- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Javier Miranda V. [mailto:gnominus@earthling.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 7:16 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: asking for some advice.... Well, first thing you should try all possible wirings and decide which sounds better to you. But in general, amplifying should be last. Unless someone else disagrees, of course. | -----Original Message----- | From: Todd Reynolds [mailto:todd@toddreynolds.com] | Sent: Tuesday 07 September 1999 1:43 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: asking for some advice.... | | | dear looping partner's in crime, | | am adding some new gear to my rack and so far have had some issues with | gain structure. i wondered if i could solicit some advice. | | here is the gear... | | | | sony freedom series wireless system at line level... | | a pendulum audio preamp | | lexicon mpx G2 effects unit | | jamman | echoplex | | all going to a walter woods amplifier. | | | the questions i have are concerned with signal path. i have been | sending my instrument thru the preamp to the amp, then sending and | returning through all the other gear from the amp itself. i'm thinking | of sending and returning from the preamp itself, doing all the | processing and looping, then going to the amp in the end with the | effected signal. would any of you be kind enough to offer me some | suggestions or feedback? | | thanks, | | todd reynolds | | -- | Todd Reynolds "paint as you like, and | die happy" - henry miller | 500B Grand St. 11G | New York, NY 10002 | | 212 475-8559 phone | 917 861-1755 cell, pager, et al. | | todd@toddreynolds.com | http://www.toddreynolds.com | | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 8 02:33:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15454; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 02:33:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 02:33:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990908023257.007cfc20@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 02:32:57 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Loop Oriented Gig Tonite..NJ In-Reply-To: <37D57883.17687901@toddreynolds.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"SH2TA2.0.KP3.q7Wrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello all just a last minute reminder - we are very local [here in NJ] with our next show... JFK's LSD UFO wed sep 8 8:30 pm internet cafe One w front st red bank nj 732-842-4503 an evening of live ambient soundscapes. percussion,guitar and synthesizers and layered vocals. ALSO it will be a webcast of sorts.right now the club manager has the 10sec update camera on- hopefully streaming video will be up by wed night -if not - you'll at least see, maybe hear us. when,where? you say?? wed- sep 8 - 8:30pm ET --head over to the internet cafe site-http://www.icafenj.com and after us.... BON - featuring Bon Lozaga and Hansford Rowe (both of GONG/GONGZILLA) and Vic Stevens. fusion monsters with guitar loops at their heart.... JFK'S LSD UFO - site http://www.ufomusic.com Project Object/Zappa tribute http://www.projectobject.com Jfk's Lsd Ufo site http://www.ufomusic.com Project Object/Zappa tribute http://www.projectobject.com Personal site http://www.monmouth.com~andre From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 8 02:43:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12068; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:03:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:03:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37C3F256.1C6670E4@toddreynolds.com> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:40:39 -0500 From: Todd Reynolds X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EH16 inflation References: <000001beeeb0$165b75a0$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"K3dT62.0.rH1.2C-mt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com damn that i am not in LA.. i'm im new york, but perhaps i could request additional info? where might i find the article by dave torn which you speak of, and have mike miller and scott henderson made solo records? todd reynolds Clifford Novey wrote: > Eric and others- > > There are two shows this week that are worth mentioning- both feature guitar > players of an amazing stature. > Wed night is Scott Henderson, guitar player and front member of Tribal Tech- > he occasionally uses loops but not too much- he has an extroidinary ability- > like Jimi and Vai all rolled into one- > > Second is Mike Miller- extremely amazing guitar player who incorporates 2 > Jam Man units in a most discreet and tasteful way- he is a super player who > did the tour with the Zappa band filling in FZ's shoes- he has wonderful > compositions and good dynamics- he also played with Chick Corea who Scott H. > also played with- Mike Miller was responsible for me becoming intersested in > looping along with an article featuring David Torn. > > If any of you are near the LA area you would be well rewarded for the drive- > also the club is about as big as a very large living room- you could operate > the floor pedals if your table is against the "stage" which is maybe 1" > high. > > All the club info is below- hope to see some of you there! > > LA VÉ LEE, 12514 Ventura Blvd., Studio City, has music, often with a Latin > or Brazilian bent, and Mediterranean cooking five days a week. Music > Tues.-Sun., with the band striking up at 9:30 p.m. Full bar. All ages. (818) > 980-8158. > > Fri.-Sat.—Singer-songwriter Kenny Rankin. > > Tues.—Marco Mendoza & Straight Jacket, with Joey Heredia and Renato Neto. > > Wed.—The Scott Henderson Trio. > > Thurs.—Mike Miller. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Echopark99@aol.com [mailto:Echopark99@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 8:18 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: EH16 inflation > > In a message dated 99-08-24 02:54:13 EDT, you write: > > << > > Did anyone else notice the current bid on the EH16 on eBay? > > > > $1,051.09!!!!! That blows away the $700 JamMan! > > That's okay. The EH16 blows away the JamMan in several other respects! > >> > > ...and that one is the cleanest I've ever seen, box and all! I actually bid > on it but I'm not at home with the address, and apparently the auction's > over > cause I can't search for it anymore. Anyone catch the final bid? > > eric p > echo park -- Todd Reynolds "paint as you like, and die happy" - henry miller 500B Grand St. 11G New York, NY 10002 212 475-8559 phone 917 861-1755 cell, pager, et al. todd@toddreynolds.com http://www.toddreynolds.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 8 02:46:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20284; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:08:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:08:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000301bee810$6b1c7360$3a2310ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "Liebig, Steuart A." , Subject: Re: headrush: not plastic Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:53:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"YfU_d1.0.wG4.V15kt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am wondering if there are two versions of the Headrush - a metal AND a plastic unit. I had a brief dialogue with someone (oh, how transient the e-relationship is!) who absolutely insisted with great vigor that their unit was plastic. Mine is metal. Most probably aluminum, with a thick fake-metal silvery lacquey plasticy finish. BTW can anyone tell me what the frequency response of the Headrush is vs. the Boomerang? I'm too busy to jump over web sites and dig up owners manuals, etc. And does anyone forsee getting into the guts of the 'rush and doing hot-rods to create reverse fx, frozen loops, half- and double-time shifts, pitch shifts, etc.? Would it even be cost-effectiive? BTW I've had very brief conversations with a couple of folx at Akai directly in charge of marketing the Headrush and they were totally unaware of the rabid eye-scratching and hair-pulling tussles their little gimmicky trinket has created... -----Original Message----- From: Liebig, Steuart A. To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Date: Thursday, August 12, 1999 7:27 PM Subject: RE: headrush: not plastic >thank god that's settled, i was hanging on the edge of my seat > >:-) > > >sorry, i guess i'm a little bored. > >about the boomerang versus headrush. having a headrush, i wish that it had a >reverse function as well as the 1/2-doublt speed thing that the boomerang >does. (tho' my eh16 does have both of those.) still the headrush is a nice >little box and it does delay as well, which is important to me. > >stig > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 8 09:02:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24643; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:02:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:02:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37D65BF6.82511C0B@node.net> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 08:52:06 -0400 From: James Keepnews Reply-To: keepnews@node.net Organization: * - node - * X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: maxandfam@aol.com, rocynfam@aol.com Subject: Re: HOLLAND HOPSON/JAMES KEEPNEWS DUO TO PERFORM IN PEEKSKILL, NY -- 17 Sept 1999 References: <199909080702.DAA23430@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vdKYF2.0.5V5.Fmbrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, how are you? Would you get a load of this: Holland (soprano saxophone/"little instruments"/electronics) and James (guitar/bass/electronics) are improvising music in front of a paying audience once more. Oh, and how they'll pay. This time, you'll find them at One Station Plaza, a great cooperative performance space located at 38 North Division Street in downtown Peekskill, NY. Look, just because Pataki was born there is no reason to take that tone with me, pal. Besides, we ran him out on a rail years ago and he's been nursing a grudge in nearby Putnam County ever since. But that's not your problem. Devotees of real-time looping and the implementation of the MAX programming environment within live performance may find much to astound and disturb the sensibilities. They may, alternatively, not. Regardless, show time is at 9:00 PM and your contribution of $5 (US) will be gratefully accepted, then and there. For directions, contact 914.736.1053. We hope to see you there. ----------------------------------------------------------------- ~ > --- James Keepnews --- < "Don't quote anybody, Sir!" (.-.) > -- Multimedia Yahoo -- < \ * -- Krishnamurti - > - keepnews@node.net - < ----------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 8 09:06:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25667; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:06:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:06:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 07:53:54 -0500 (CDT) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Rock and Roll Fantasy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"otKVw3.0.RY5.7obrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey! Besides the Space Drum, doesn't Rock and Roll Fantasy also include a guitar processed through the MXR Blue Box, one of the most horrid yet grungy guitar effects ever made. I oughta know, and I own one! Todd Madson Musician, Mountain Biker, Stunt Kite Flyer, BeOS/MacOS/Linux/WinNt user. http://www.waste.org/~crash/asb.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 8 09:53:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03451; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:53:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:53:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <3051db42.2507c25e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:45:02 EDT Subject: Re: RE: asking for some advice.... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, clifsound@mediaone.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"fl3l01.0.CM.RYcrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com <<...diagrams like Guitar Shop or basic schematic type diagrams to a web form?>> Hey, Cliff...good idea I made a schematic of my loop-oriented studio set-up in Illustrator (inspired more by the patch diagrams Mackie puts in their lit, than by Guitar Shop, but same idea), saved it as a PDF file and sent it to the vg-8 site, where they put it on the net as a .gif...looks exactly like what I sent in. (go to: http://www.vg-8.com/users/davidcoffin/ and clik on Schematic) Illustrator was my best choice for making such a diagram, but there may be easier graphics apps, dedicated to whipping up diagrams or flow charts or something. David From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 8 10:14:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08582; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:14:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:14:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37D6268A.5CEA99A@texas.net> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 09:04:11 +0000 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Rock and Roll Fantasy References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wWIVB.0.NQ1.mocrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com to answer this i'd have to actually listen to this tune again & i haven't done anything bad enough to deserve that today. yet. bobdog > Hey! Besides the Space Drum, doesn't Rock and Roll Fantasy also include > a guitar processed through the MXR Blue Box, one of the most horrid yet > grungy guitar effects ever made. I oughta know, and I own one! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 8 10:36:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13557; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:36:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:36:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 08:55:31 -0500 (CDT) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Procrastination + VS-840 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"ZqYo-1.0.lC1.3mcrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, I had lots of fun just before I left for my vacation: I stayed up until two in the morning using the delay in the VS-840 nearly maxed out and then into the Mac running the Procrastination looper set on, oh, four minutes. I had the first two doing left and right channels and the other two loopers doing the same and I would bring them in and out. I generated all of this nonsense with just my electric guitar and before long I had this giant, swirling, synth like galaxy of sound going. After about an hour or so, I realized that what I was doing was pretty cool and should be recorded, but hadn't thought to prepare the 840 or the computer. Then I forgot: the procrastination looper lets you dump the contents of the loops in stereo to an aiff file. So, during the endloop process (about the last 8 minutes) the ending of the big atmosphere was happening I dumped the data to a file, played a solo over the endloop and then let the atmosphere slough away until only the solo was left, and then even that faded. Bizzarre. It ended up sounding like something from some weird album somewhere. I encoded that data to an MP3 file so I'll probably put that up on my site for download, but it's pretty desolate sounding. Weird how just playing around can generate something significant. Todd Madson Musician, Mountain Biker, Stunt Kite Flyer, BeOS/MacOS/Linux/WinNt user. http://www.waste.org/~crash/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 8 11:28:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26439; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:28:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:28:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: asking for some advice.... Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 08:19:02 -0700 Message-ID: <000201befa0d$7b6ccf80$aa83c8d8@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <000301bef9af$c64116a0$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"nmNn_2.0.5r5.qvdrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Download a program called "SmartDraw" from download.com or some such. It's a way cool program where you can color the boxes, make any shape you want, but the coolest thing is, of course, that you can link the boxes and lines, and drag them around to improve the signal flow until you have something worth implementing to try out. Although it's shareware, you can save some drawings into JPEG, which is cool for a Web site. I'd say buy the thing, it's so cool. | -----Original Message----- | From: Clifford Novey [mailto:clifsound@mediaone.net] | Sent: Tuesday 07 September 1999 9:08 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: RE: asking for some advice.... | | | Attention all Loopers- I am interested in the thread regarding | signal path/ | gear setup- any genius out there who could interface a program | that makes | diagrams like Guitar Shop or basic schematic type diagrams to a | web form? I | will host- and I have some web knowledge myself- it would be | interesting to | see how everyone sets up- | My setup just is not satisfying right now- and I seem to change | it depending | on what I want to do- I guess having a clear idea on what you want to do | makes the configuring part much easier- | | Cliff | | -----Original Message----- | From: Javier Miranda V. [mailto:gnominus@earthling.net] | Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 7:16 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: RE: asking for some advice.... | | | Well, first thing you should try all possible wirings and decide which | sounds better to you. But in general, amplifying should be | last. Unless | someone else disagrees, of course. | | | -----Original Message----- | | From: Todd Reynolds [mailto:todd@toddreynolds.com] | | Sent: Tuesday 07 September 1999 1:43 PM | | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | | Subject: asking for some advice.... | | | | | | dear looping partner's in crime, | | | | am adding some new gear to my rack and so far have had some | issues with | | gain structure. i wondered if i could solicit some advice. | | | | here is the gear... | | | | | | | | sony freedom series wireless system at line level... | | | | a pendulum audio preamp | | | | lexicon mpx G2 effects unit | | | | jamman | | echoplex | | | | all going to a walter woods amplifier. | | | | | | the questions i have are concerned with signal path. i have been | | sending my instrument thru the preamp to the amp, then sending and | | returning through all the other gear from the amp itself. | i'm thinking | | of sending and returning from the preamp itself, doing all the | | processing and looping, then going to the amp in the end with the | | effected signal. would any of you be kind enough to offer me some | | suggestions or feedback? | | | | thanks, | | | | todd reynolds | | | | -- | | Todd Reynolds "paint as | you like, and | | die happy" - henry miller | | 500B Grand St. 11G | | New York, NY 10002 | | | | 212 475-8559 phone | | 917 861-1755 cell, pager, et al. | | | | todd@toddreynolds.com | | http://www.toddreynolds.com | | | | | | | | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 8 11:49:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32166; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:49:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:49:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:05:31 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Procrastination + VS-840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"l_LHt2.0.v_4.aidrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Todd Madson writes: >Well, I had lots of fun just before I left for my vacation: I stayed up >until two in the morning using the delay in the VS-840 nearly maxed out >and then into the Mac running the Procrastination looper set on, oh, >four minutes. Oh, Todd, what is this Procrastination looper of which you speak? A search of the archives produced no hits for this name... /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 8 12:12:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05314; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:12:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:12:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <9B6D04348808D311B1EE0090277A40A7C429B2@usilms12.cai.com> From: "Lanpheer, James" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: OT. Pauline Oliveros recommendations. Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:00:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"lUgtX1.0.9h.SXert"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I know there's some Oliveros listeners out there, so i ask for direction. Ordered the Deep Listening Band CD and since s&h was only $1 more, i selected a second title (Suspended Music) which i've since been notified, they don't have. Can anyone recommend a second title to replace Suspended Music with? Cheers! Jim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 8 12:22:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07966; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:22:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:22:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <9B6D04348808D311B1EE0090277A40A7C42AB1@usilms12.cai.com> From: "Lanpheer, James" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Manual hangover. Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:13:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"NOUmq3.0.sU1.tiert"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com So, i'm trying to read up on these 'SUS' mode functions right? And usually you'd go to the manual right? Well, i started digging into my Echoplex manual, and the damn thing drove me to drinking... Dat's right, before a half hour had gone by i had my bottle of Absolut Mandarin (mmmmmm... Mmmandarin...) out on the table and was well on my way to oblivion. Driven to drink by a badly-written manual..... Is there anyplace on the website (or anywhere else online) that i can read about the granular functionality of the EDP? Maybe i missed it? Cheers! Jim. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 8 13:36:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25671; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 13:36:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 13:36:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37D69248.BD47155F@vtx.ch> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 18:43:52 +0200 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: fr,en-US,fr-BE,en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: asking for some advice grafic helper References: <000301bef9af$c64116a0$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Bj8Ak3.0.Ud3.4Gfrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Clifford Novey wrote: > > Attention all Loopers- I am interested in the thread regarding signal path/ > gear setup- any genius out there who could interface a program that makes > diagrams like Guitar Shop or basic schematic type diagrams to a web form? I > will host- and I have some web knowledge myself- it would be interesting to > see how everyone sets up- > My setup just is not satisfying right now- and I seem to change it depending > on what I want to do- I guess having a clear idea on what you want to do > makes the configuring part much easier- > Clifford download the winblade program which is the computer interface of the famous switchblade audio patcher you can make up graphic views of your rig then just make a printscreen to jpg the problem with winblade is that you're going to have some violent gear lust addiction after playing with it in case here is the url http://www.soundsculpture.com Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 8 14:00:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31739; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:00:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:00:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37D69DFB.C642B57E@magelang.com> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 11:33:47 -0600 From: Jim Coker Reply-To: jcoker@magelang.com Organization: Magelang Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: asking for some advice.... References: <000301bef9af$c64116a0$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"m_zDt.0.Lj5.Kpfrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Illustrator is definitely the top choice for professional-looking line diagrams. However, the drawing program in ClarisWorks/AppleWorks is not bad either. On the Windoze side, Visio would be my choice. Jim Clifford Novey wrote: > > Attention all Loopers- I am interested in the thread regarding signal path/ > gear setup- any genius out there who could interface a program that makes > diagrams like Guitar Shop or basic schematic type diagrams to a web form? I > will host- and I have some web knowledge myself- it would be interesting to > see how everyone sets up- > My setup just is not satisfying right now- and I seem to change it depending > on what I want to do- I guess having a clear idea on what you want to do > makes the configuring part much easier- > > Cliff > > -----Original Message----- > From: Javier Miranda V. [mailto:gnominus@earthling.net] > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 7:16 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: RE: asking for some advice.... > > Well, first thing you should try all possible wirings and decide which > sounds better to you. But in general, amplifying should be last. Unless > someone else disagrees, of course. > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Todd Reynolds [mailto:todd@toddreynolds.com] > | Sent: Tuesday 07 September 1999 1:43 PM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: asking for some advice.... > | > | > | dear looping partner's in crime, > | > | am adding some new gear to my rack and so far have had some issues with > | gain structure. i wondered if i could solicit some advice. > | > | here is the gear... > | > | > | > | sony freedom series wireless system at line level... > | > | a pendulum audio preamp > | > | lexicon mpx G2 effects unit > | > | jamman > | echoplex > | > | all going to a walter woods amplifier. > | > | > | the questions i have are concerned with signal path. i have been > | sending my instrument thru the preamp to the amp, then sending and > | returning through all the other gear from the amp itself. i'm thinking > | of sending and returning from the preamp itself, doing all the > | processing and looping, then going to the amp in the end with the > | effected signal. would any of you be kind enough to offer me some > | suggestions or feedback? > | > | thanks, > | > | todd reynolds > | > | -- > | Todd Reynolds "paint as you like, and > | die happy" - henry miller > | 500B Grand St. 11G > | New York, NY 10002 > | > | 212 475-8559 phone > | 917 861-1755 cell, pager, et al. > | > | todd@toddreynolds.com > | http://www.toddreynolds.com > | > | > | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 8 14:28:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07164; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:28:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:28:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01ce01befa26$c19018a0$262310ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "Todd Reynolds" , Subject: Re: asking for some advice.... Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:40:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ofHCw3.0.JA1.nYgrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Todd Reynolds wrote: >dear looping partner's in crime, > >am adding some new gear to my rack and so far have had some issues with >gain structure. i wondered if i could solicit some advice. > >here is the gear... > > > >sony freedom series wireless system at line level... > >a pendulum audio preamp > >lexicon mpx G2 effects unit > >jamman >echoplex > >all going to a walter woods amplifier. > > >the questions i have are concerned with signal path. i have been >sending my instrument thru the preamp to the amp, then sending and >returning through all the other gear from the amp itself. i'm thinking >of sending and returning from the preamp itself, doing all the >processing and looping, then going to the amp in the end with the >effected signal. would any of you be kind enough to offer me some >suggestions or feedback? First suggestion: add an instrument to your signal chain, preferably, but not necessarily, at the beginning. :) With a sonic image of what you're playing, I might unload my opinions on youse. Overall, I would definitely put the preamp first. Generally, just plug things in in different orders and use your ears. Make notes. And write things down too. Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 8 14:27:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07096; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:27:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:27:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01cf01befa26$c32a8ec0$262310ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "James Keepnews" , Subject: Re: Gibson update Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:16:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"RoZk83.0.pA1.rYgrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jim Keepnews wrote: >First, Kim Flint writes: > >> yeah, yeah, yeah... we're workin' on it! >> >> dreaming up completely new loop functions, then trying to figure out how to >> make them work elegantly with all the other loop functions is no simple >> thing....more like wine making than engineering....but we're getting there. >> Believe me, we want to be finished working on the new Loop software >> generation just as badly as you want to begin using it! > >Then, as if to slip into a pair of slyboots, Kim Flint goes ahead and writes: > >> Once again, THERE IS NO NEW ECHOPLEX BEING PRODUCED. No new designing, no >> new schematics, no long engineering cycles, etc. Its the SAME echoplex, >> with just a delay in production while they figure out some byzantine >> business organizational issues. > Now may I suggest that these statements were made in reverse order? I believe KF first said "There is no new EP yadayada...", THEN said, "We're pouring wine on our cheese'n'chips, etc." Still confusing, and I hope it gets addressed, but fractionally more understandable, even tho' it may be an irrational fraction, like 6 divided by 71, and how about these newfangled computers that don't even have basic math symbols like a division symbol? maybe Kim and Jim could get together on that one, and I won't even start on the "where's-the-off-switch?" computer problem. >Well, er, uh, please to forgive me for prying, KF -- your time is your own, as far as >I'm concerned, and provided it's consensual and not within the Great State of Georgia, >what you do with codes and diodes is your own charming affair -- but, em, er, if, as >you remark with such dramatic elan, "THERE IS NO NEW ECHOPLEX BEING PRODUCED...Its >(sic) the SAME echoplex, with just a delay in production," I, ep, umm, well, what in >tarnation are you spending all this time "dreaming up completely new loop functions, >then trying to figure out how to make them work elegantly with all the other loop >functions..." if it's to be the same, without these dreamy new functions and suchnot >added? Why not go out dancing? Or stock up on Fresca before the End Times hit? You take >my meaning? > >Some clarification, please, on this old EDP/new EDP rollout -- are they going to make >the old right up to the point that there is a new? Will your software be an upgrade to >what already exists or will us loopies need to shell out for a whole new bundle of >hardware? I seek to know "when" only in relation to "what". Thank you. > >However, as if the aforementioned weren't enough, Kim Flint goes on and writes: > >> We're always open to feedback and suggestions! > >Well, since you brought it up...here's suggestions: > >1. The capability of dividing any loop length by any integer..."but, but, Jamie, >th-that would mean, I don't know, dividing a six-second loop by, goodness, one of those >loathsome prime numbers, like seventy-one, w-wouldn't it?" You see, I had to go dig up my pocket calculator to do this stupid problem! But 6 divided by 71 equals a neat lil' granule of .084507th of a second. Is that what you were driving at, Jimbo? >You bet your g-dd-mn f-cking >-ss it would, you craven little girlboy (sorry...talking to myself again...). Perhaps >each of these irreducible fractions treatable as a "virtual" loop, to be taken apart, >conceivably, out of sequence or treated separately in the series they were divvied up >in. Along these lines: > >2. A loop "sequencer" -- needn't be much more than ye olde analogue fteppf fequencerf >of yore, just something that says to the EDP "play loop 1 twice, play loop 2 once, 3 is >straight out, then play loop 4 backwards, then 1 on a ramp from quarter speed to full >speed again within the length of the loop; repeat. Serve hot." with multiple "songs" to >be stored. Along these lines: > >3. More speed flexibility, including ramping functions like the one discussed above -- >if we can no longer spin a knob to speed things up and slow them down, let them crunch >numbers. Similarly, like my first suggestion, the possibility of coming up with your >own sick, sick ratios, like 16/97, or 2/1, and the ability to ramp between the two >within a given time frame. While we're dreaming: > >4. Back-uping EDP "macros" (i.e., the loop, the speeds, the "songs," etc.) onto Zip >drives or other SCSI-enabled storage devices. Also, the ability to read these in, and >other file formats as well (e.g. AIFF, WAV, QuickTime, AKAI, SDMI (psych!), etc.) -- if >it's a sampler we loop with at the turn of the century, the dad-blamed contraption >ought to behave like one. Along these final wishfully-thinking lines: > >5. Digital I/O, yo. > >Not one of these may be implemented by the EDP but I bring them up because, with >patience and the urge, MAX/MSP can do these today. Five years, gang, and we'll all be >bringing PowerBooks (or their 2004 equivalents) on the gigs. Now, if someone will >create a USB-to-1/4" converter... Excellent, Excellent! But a couple of considerations: guys like me hate keypads. I don't even know why I'm sitting here tapping away at this confounded Satan-inspired beige pseudo-TV typewriter cheap excuse for a CD player thing... So me for zero PowerBooks, me for many knobs and LED readouts. Perhaps, Kim, whydoncha stick some kind of USB port onto the side of the EP so our PC's can perform advanced trig on our loops if we so desire, as Jim so desires? And Jim IS one of us, just a slob like one of us, just a stranger on the buss... And Jim, what was that free software offer you made me? ) Private email, please. And Jim, why doncha plug the gig with Holland up in Patakiville? Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 8 14:42:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11325; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:42:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:42:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0DB581B@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: help, again Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:28:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"aa5m82.0.e52.qlgrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com howdy, someone had posted a real address (ya know, a street number) for pedalman in nyc. i (lamely) forgot it. can anyone resupply me with it?? stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 8 15:13:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19363; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:13:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:13:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:07:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@red To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: In Baltimore Friday:NeBeLNeST/Dark Aether Project Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"nhKtS2.0.rD4.dFhrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Baltimore Progressive Rock Showcase Series Orion Sound Studios 2903 Whittington Ave Baltimore, Maryland --------- Friday September 10 1999 8PM NeBeLNeST & The Dark Aether Project Laser's Edge recording artists NeBeLNeST hail from France where they've developed their own dark instrumental blend of heavy spacey symphonic rock with tinges of Zeuhl and RIO influences with lots of ambient loopy interludes. In addition to Progday, this only one of three US performances planned this year, so don't miss your chance to see this fantastic band! http://nebelnest.nfrance.com/ Fellow Progday performers Dark Aether Project will be debuting their new lineup to their home crowd with guitarist/looper Steev Geest (also a member of loop duo Fingerpaint) joining founding member Warr Guitarist/Keyboardist/Looper Adam Levin, vocalist Ray Weston and drummer Allen Brunelle for a set of dark psych-tinged prog fusion. http://www.DarkAether.net/ ADMISSION: $10 at the door/All ages/No advance tickets Directions: -Take I-95 to exit 50, Caton Ave. (Just inside the south west side of the 695 beltway) -Take Caton Ave south to the third traffic light and turn left onto Washington Blvd -Go 1/4 mile up the hill to the U-Haul sign and turn right onto Inverness. -At the end of Inverness, turn left onto Whittington Ave. -Go to the end of Whittington and turn right into the parking lot at 2903 Whittington, in the Whittington Business Center. -Orion is on the right. ======================================================================== OTHER INFO: Point your favorite web browser to http://www.progrock.net/ or email alevin@progrock.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 8 15:24:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22252; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:24:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:24:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:01:23 -0500 (CDT) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Procrastination Audio Looper Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"9kOEX.0.4t4.gOhrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi: Someone asked about Procrastination....the audio looper, right? It's one of the coolest pieces of software I've ever used to do anything with. It's an audio looper for Power Macintosh computers and uses the audio extensions for MAX although one need not own it to make it work as you can download a abbreviated version to make it work. It essentially is four one minute loopers with controllable feedback and stereo positioning for each, also with the ability to do .AIFF dumps of the material to hard disc. The author of the program had versions 1.0 and then with version 1.1 there were other versions, one long four minute loop, and another with 2 two minute loopers and the standard four one minute loops but with a slight change to the user interface. I'll post the URL here a bit later as it's in my bookmarks at home. The looper was written by a gentleman who is/was on this very list and has stopped development on the looper to concentrate on his music. However, the most recent version of the looper is available for download. Now, for those who despair that the author has stopped development to work on music, do not. You can still download what exists now. Also, there is another, to quote Yoda. Another neat PowerPC Macintosh looper is available to you now...the program's called Looper 1.5. Yes, it uses the Max audio extensions. Yes, it also has long delay times. And yes, it also has big regen.. What's different about it? Oh, this one has filtering of the audio source for further mutation. Very cool! Sort of like Procrastination is like a big white horse and Looper 1.5 is a similar beast but with zebra stripes. Only problem: it's a bit (well, it looks like a modular synthesizer) complicated - I'm still figuring it out. The same guy is involved in pluggo and the software based on the Life game to create filtered sounds.....I'm terrible with names lately. Now, let me apologize in advance to let you be aware that I cannot for the life of me remember the names of the geniuses who programmed these pieces of software. I feel terrible about it, but they've definetely created amazing software. I'll post the URL to that software as well later today. So, bring out your altavista and yahoo and search for Ken Mistove (I think he did procrastination) and then search for "Looper 1.5". Sorry for the vagueness, it's my nature. Zzzzzzz.... -Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 8 15:35:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24956; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:35:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:35:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990908192619.3981.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.74] From: "g716" To: , References: <37D61209.AA67982@columbus.rr.com> Subject: Re: Echoplex sells for $3,050.00 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:25:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2918.2701 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2918.2701 Resent-Message-ID: <"Hwm683.0.dW5.1Yhrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com According to the bidder who came in 2nd (and bid $3,000), at least 4 of us contacted him and selflessly offered up their own prized EDP's for a healthy sum. Pleading guilty, Greg (hey: I love my EDP, but for $3000 grand I'd part with it. I mean, they'll be made again.... someday.... maybe....) ----- Original Message ----- From: Darrell Jones To: Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 12:36 AM Subject: Echoplex sells for $3,050.00 > Echoplex sells for $3,050.00 on EBAY! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=154268378 > > Jones > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 8 15:51:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29225; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:51:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:51:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990908124441.01540500@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 12:44:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Subject: Re: Echoplex sells for $3,050.00 In-Reply-To: <19990908192619.3981.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <37D61209.AA67982@columbus.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"PM6e73.0.aS6.Vlhrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com No way! I thought for sure the winning bid and the 2 other 1000+ bids were hoax bids from bad email addresses. And the other day I saw a Triaxis fs on r.m.m.m. for 200.00 thinking the same thing ("that's a funny way to get your rocks off"). Hey, on a related note I've got a DSP4500 for sale - I'm asking $350. (ha ha, he he he - if I did own one, I wouldn't be selling it) At 12:25 PM 9/8/99 -0700, you wrote: >According to the bidder who came in 2nd (and bid $3,000), at least 4 of us >contacted him and selflessly offered up their own prized EDP's for a healthy >sum. > >Pleading guilty, >Greg > >(hey: I love my EDP, but for $3000 grand I'd part with it. I mean, they'll >be made again.... someday.... maybe....) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 8 16:04:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32608; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 16:04:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 16:04:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990908192619.3981.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <37D61209.AA67982@columbus.rr.com> <19990908192619.3981.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:54:10 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Echoplex sells for $3,050.00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"dsTBE.0.8O7.oyhrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >According to the bidder who came in 2nd (and bid $3,000), at least 4 of us >contacted him and selflessly offered up their own prized EDP's for a healthy >sum. for $3K you could get a beefy powerbook and write your own damn looper! whew. $3000. Gibson, Gibson! /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 8 16:13:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02857; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 16:13:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 16:13:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37D6C16C.2A3CA296@node.net> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 16:05:00 -0400 From: James Keepnews Reply-To: keepnews@node.net Organization: * - node - * X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "K. Douglas Baldwin" CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Gibson update References: <01cf01befa26$c32a8ec0$262310ac@Douglas> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OCXqa3.0.p6.86irt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com K. Douglas Baldwin wrote: > >1. The capability of dividing any loop length by any integer..."but, but, > Jamie, > >th-that would mean, I don't know, dividing a six-second loop by, goodness, > one of those > >loathsome prime numbers, like seventy-one, w-wouldn't it?" > > You see, I had to go dig up my pocket calculator to do this stupid problem! > But 6 divided by 71 equals a neat lil' granule of .084507th of a second. Is > that what you were driving at, Jimbo? driving at, around, past and well into the next county, sir, yes, sir -- macrogranularity in full g-dd-mn f-echt, k-dog... > Excellent, Excellent! But a couple of considerations: guys like me hate > keypads. I don't even know why I'm sitting here tapping away at this > confounded Satan-inspired beige pseudo-TV typewriter cheap excuse for a CD > player thing... So me for zero PowerBooks, me for many knobs and LED > readouts. Perhaps, Kim, whydoncha stick some kind of USB port onto the side > of the EP so our PC's can perform advanced trig on our loops if we so > desire, as Jim so desires? And Jim IS one of us, just a slob like one of us, > just a stranger on the buss... ...but not Ozzy's daughter, sadly, although I'm willing to take a blood test...nor have I a hat like a cone, although I'm willing to take a blood test... But, Doug..._DOUG_...why should you want to malign me by association with keypadcentricity? Sure and you know there is much in the way of "alternative controllers" for computer and MIDI alike, or in series; so much so that one need do little more, "pseudo-TV typewriter cheap excuse for a CD player thing"-wise than turn it on, open an application or three, turn it off, thanks for coming out, be sure to try the veal, good night, Albion, MI. The Peavey PC 1600x MIDI fader box is legendary in this regard; virtually no self-respecting MAX-head goes out on the gig without one. You, Doug, would undoubtedly prefer the Big Briar MIDI Theremin. And, you know, once that USB-to-14" converter comes out... > > And Jim, what was that free software offer you made me? ) Private email, > please. ixnay on the eefray oftwaresay on a ublicpay orumfay, umbkopfday! > > And Jim, why doncha plug the gig with Holland up in Patakiville? Oh, yeah...good idea...let me go back in time and send out a poorly aligned e-mail announcement straight away...there! Check out the last digest. ----------------------------------------------------------------- ~ > --- James Keepnews --- < "Don't quote anybody, Sir!" (.-.) > -- Multimedia Yahoo -- < \ * -- Krishnamurti - > - keepnews@node.net - < ----------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 8 16:38:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09665; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 16:38:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 16:38:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 16:29:09 EDT Subject: Re: asking for some advice.... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"KSfCo.0.Ym1.7Tirt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 9/8/99 3:41:24 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, clifsound@mediaone.net writes: << I am interested in the thread regarding signal path/ gear setup- >> so am i.......i think this would be most helpfull..........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 8 17:06:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16749; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:06:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:06:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <8f712bf4.25082483@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 16:43:47 EDT Subject: Re: asking for some advice.... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"DiMC51.0.ci2.qgirt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 9/8/99 5:27:50 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us writes: << Make notes. And write things down too. >> wow........what a wacky idea.......i may try this..........:).........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 8 18:12:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32198; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:12:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:12:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000901befa45$dac23280$c26fc8d0@computer> From: "postaldave" To: "Loopers" Subject: boomerang review. Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:02:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"MPw44.0.lU7.crjrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I got my new boomerang in. It's much smaller than I thought it would be. This is not a bad thing, it's just the right size. As far as ease of use It couldn't have been better designed. If you can't work this thing than you probably have a tuff time opening your front door to your house. My first impressions in the way of sound quality was not so good. The sample rate they use is Lo-Fi. I was going to return it but after playing with it I got to sound better. The manual which is only online said as I recall to turn the gain up till the yellow light only flicker a few times or something like that. The light should have been red and across the top it should read "If this glows red than your sound is dead." After realizing that I was able to get a much better sound out of it. As far as my acoustic I think one of those acoustic preamp peddles would warm up the sound. After playing around with that I ran my strat through it into a fender hotrod deluxe. This combo had no sound loss. It was a PERFECT copy. If you try this go through the effects return. this was you can do a clean and a overdriven mix together. I really do like this effects peddle and I recommend this to anyone. Search the web and don't pay anymore than $450. You can easily find them than cheap and as cheap as $400. Final thoughts .....money value-B.........ease of use-A++++++........sound..C+............ If you never use this thing on stage it is still worth the money just for the practice you get playing with a background track and working out tunes in your head. Any word on any upgrades.............sound quality would help???????? postaldave@qx.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 8 18:50:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07858; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:50:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:50:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990908183025.00827e10@mindspring.com> X-Sender: zanga@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 18:30:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rik Myers Subject: addy? In-Reply-To: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0DB581B@migarexch01.maritz. com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"pQlFt2.0.xn.KDkrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 02:28 PM 9/8/99 -0400, you wrote: >howdy, > >someone had posted a real address (ya know, a street number) for pedalman in >nyc. i (lamely) forgot it. can anyone resupply me with it?? I don't...only used email with them (and bought from gaspedal). At the site, it looks like the operating procedure is "E" for info, then get the secret password. Like a speakeasy. Can never be too careful. Durn communiss... EMAIL sales@pedalman.com PHONE (212) 802-7279 Best O Luck Stig Hasta -> Arf From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 8 20:00:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22979; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:00:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:00:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 19:42:18 -0400 From: Nicolas Basque Subject: Kappa's concert in Montreal To: Loopers-Delight Message-id: <37D6F45A.C1E4FF13@videotron.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en Resent-Message-ID: <"6inp93.0.pZ4.-Glrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If anybody is in Montreal (Québec) on september 19, there's a good concert at Le Cabaret du Musée Juste Pour Rire (2111 St-Laurent) featuring the ensemble Kappa (4 sax, 4 trombones, 4 trumpets, harmonica, drums and 2 guitars) conducted by Philippe Keyser. A modern Big Band using loops and lots of electronics and effects. Program: Preview (Michael Mantler), The Heart Tears (Paul Dolden), The Precipitation Suite (Steve Lacy), Greyhound (Scott Godin) and Bien Serré (James Harley). Hope to see you there. Nicolas From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 8 21:34:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11325; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:34:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:34:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:27:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Paint Me a Picture Resent-Message-ID: <"F9tmI3.0.lR2.fpmrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dpcoffin's Illustrator gear block diagram is an example of one of the things I love about this endeavor. I use Illustrator myself, but I suppose it's overkill for those who aren't graphics professionals. I think a terrific addition to the Looper's Delight site would be a collection of just such diagrams; looping flowcharts are at least as pertinent to loop technique as any details about loop devices themselves, IMO. What do you think, Kim? Or whomever could set up such a thing? I'm not quite web-invested enough to even keep my own site in motion, so I don't volunteer, but if anyone wants to swap block diagrams of their current loop layouts, I have my own (quite the poor cousin of DPC's--his gives me heavy G.A.S.) in Illustrator, and I can save/send as GIF, JPEG, or whatever. One of the things I'll have to get around to putting at my site.... David Myers ><< I am interested in the thread regarding signal path/ > gear setup- >> > >so am i.......i think this would be most helpfull..........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 8 22:03:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18584; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:03:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:03:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000b01befa66$6d21ea60$b66fc8d0@computer> From: "postaldave" To: "Loopers" Subject: boomerang retraction Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:55:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"4Pcii2.0.m84.-Fnrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "The manual which is only online said as I recall to turn the gain up till the yellow light only flicker a few times or something like that. " was said in my review of the boomerang.......i looked it up, i don't know were in the hell i came up with that. oh well, postaldave@qx.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 8 22:47:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28627; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:47:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:47:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Lewistenis@aol.com Message-ID: <6cf1256.250876fe@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:35:42 EDT Subject: jam man or boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"FmKPq.0.SR6.vrnrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm trying to decide between a jam man or boomerang. I'll be using it for live gigs with my acoustic guitar. Which has better sound quality? I've heard the boomerang is easy to use, how hard is the jam man to use? Thank you. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 8 23:05:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00323; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:05:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:05:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000601befa6f$40af59a0$b86fc8d0@computer> From: "postaldave" To: Subject: Re: jam man or boomerang Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:58:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"EGJKe.0.uj7.HBort"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "I'm trying to decide between a jam man or boomerang. I'll be using it for live gigs with my acoustic guitar. Which has better sound quality? I've heard the boomerang is easy to use, how hard is the jam man to use? Thank you." I don't believe the boomerang is for you, the sound quality isn't up to the level that an acoustic guitarist would want. It is by far the clear choose for electic guitar players. I haven't tried use an acoustic preamp peddle to sharpen up the sound yet. I play acoustic about half the time and I am still searching for a way to make the boomerang sound good. I might add, if you are going to use the sampler for solo stuff the boomerang is just fine, and would serve you very well. postaldave@qx.net and yes I am a postal worker. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 9 01:22:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31101; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 01:22:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 01:22:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990909051816.919.rocketmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:18:16 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Echoplex sells for $3,050.00 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"CJXkl1.0.SN7.iBqrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tell Gibson that I refuse to pay $3000.00 for an Echoplex. Unless, of course, it has Kim's portrait & signature on it! John --- Tom Ritchford wrote: > >According to the bidder who came in 2nd (and bid > $3,000), at least 4 of us > >contacted him and selflessly offered up their own > prized EDP's for a healthy > >sum. > > for $3K you could get a beefy powerbook and write > your own damn looper! > whew. $3000. Gibson, Gibson! > > /t > > === John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 9 01:20:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30417; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 01:20:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 01:20:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990909051300.388.rocketmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:13:00 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Manual hangover. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"MVfll1.0.X77.m6qrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Here's a copy of Kim's previous instructions. It's a part of my "keeper" file, along with the selected writings of Dave Coffin. John --- "Lanpheer, James" wrote: > So, i'm trying to read up on these 'SUS' mode > functions right? And usually > you'd go to the manual right? Well, i started > digging into my Echoplex > manual, and the damn thing drove me to drinking... > Dat's right, before a > half hour had gone by i had my bottle of Absolut > Mandarin (mmmmmm... > Mmmandarin...) out on the table and was well on my > way to oblivion. Driven > to drink by a badly-written manual..... > > Is there anyplace on the website (or anywhere else > online) that i can read > about the granular functionality of the EDP? Maybe > i missed it? > > Cheers! > Jim. > > Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:39:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint | Block address Subject: Re: EVENTIDE/Granular CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com At 05:07 PM 4/20/99 -0800, Mark Landman wrote: >Kim, you folks came up with the last word in long delay times with the >Echoplex, any thoughts about the ultra short delay times of granular >synthesis? > set record mode to SUS, set Overdub mode to SUS, Set Insert mode to RPL (replace). Then all these functions work in the "sustain" mode, where they are only on while the button is held. What this lets you do is tap the button very lightly, to get the function on for a very short period of time. So you can record micro-length loops, overdub micro-sized bits, replace micro-sized bits. (rumor has it there might be a similar feature for Insert and Multiply some day, and rumor has it that it's even more fun....) I can easily get the record lengths below 10ms with Record=SUS, where the repetition rate is an audible frequency. I'm not sure if this is exactly what you are looking for, but it does seem a bit like a real-time approach to granular synthesis. And its damn fun!! You can make some very cool textures this way. Take some loop, sustain some new sound, tap replace and/or overdub over it a whole bunch of times, repeat with different sounds .....you'll lose a weekend, I guarantee it. kim ________________________________________________________ === John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 9 01:57:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04710; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 01:57:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 01:57:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990908223821.01547d60@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 22:38:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Subject: PMC10 sells for $355.00 In-Reply-To: <19990909051816.919.rocketmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"faw7c1.0.OC.vRqrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The auction for the Digitech PMC10 that was on ebay just ended. Ended up going for more than I thought it would - but then again, it was only about half the price of a new Rocktron All Access. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=156715250 Anyone know what these things went for new when they were in production? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 9 03:57:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA30722; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 03:57:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 03:57:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990909072123.6074.rocketmail@web127.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 00:21:23 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: PMC10 sells for $355.00 + ATTN ALL BRITS To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"W9e1J2.0.Mu5.gzrrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I asked the very same question over on the Digitech 2101 list the other day. A PMC-10 owner responded that he paid $275.00 way back when. I was very tempted to go after the one at ebay, but I've found myself distracted by this...... http://www.philrees.co.uk/products/footctrl.htm Rogue Music says they can get it for me for $229.00. This sounds incredibly cheap considering what the pedal claims to do. I contacted Phil Rees & they said they would sell direct for 230 pounds,(that's $373.00). Needless to say, I'm feeling a little confused right now. I know we have some folks from the UK on the list. Can any of you give us your take on the Philip Rees MM5 Advanced Midi Foot Controller? I converted the dimensions to inches & it came out to (approx) 14" x 6 1/4" x 2". It certainly doesn't demand a lot of floor space. Your pros & cons on this device are appreciated! John --- Sean wrote: > The auction for the Digitech PMC10 that was on ebay > just ended. Ended up > going for more than I thought it would - but then > again, it was only about > half the price of a new Rocktron All Access. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=156715250 > > Anyone know what these things went for new when they > were in production? > > === John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 9 05:51:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA19642; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 05:51:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 05:51:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990909072123.6074.rocketmail@web127.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 02:42:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: PMC10 sells for $355.00 + ATTN ALL BRITS Resent-Message-ID: <"CrXIs3.0.-L4.64urt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:21 AM -0700 9/9/99, John Tidwell wrote: > I was very tempted to >go after the one at ebay, but I've found myself >distracted by this...... > >http://www.philrees.co.uk/products/footctrl.htm > >Rogue Music says they can get it for me for $229.00. >This sounds incredibly cheap considering what the >pedal claims to do. I contacted Phil Rees & they said >they would sell direct for 230 pounds,(that's >$373.00). >Needless to say, I'm feeling a little confused right >now. > >I know we have some folks from the UK on the list. Can >any of you give us your take on the Philip Rees MM5 >Advanced Midi Foot Controller? > well, I'm not a Brit, but It looks like a mighty fine midi controller pedal to me! I liked: it does all midi commands, modulation, sequencer, midi IN, vast programming possibilities, (which top any other pedal out there). didn't like much: needs more characters in the display, more patches, they claim it's easy to program, but it didn't look that way to me. (I just skimmed the page, though.) I say, go for it. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 9 08:06:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA10424; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:06:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:06:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6cf1256.250876fe@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:07:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: jam man or boomerang Resent-Message-ID: <"HekNr2.0.u-7.ZMvrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I'm trying to decide between a jam man or boomerang. >I'll be using it for live gigs with my acoustic guitar. >Which has better sound quality? >I've heard the boomerang is easy to use, how hard is the jam man to use? >Thank you. I have never used the boomerang, but the jam man is very easy to use. More verstile if you control it via MIDI, you can do Fades with it via MIDI. Good luck finding one though. I have used mulitple jam men for years, but in the last 6 - 8months have been using dual plexes. These units are much uch more powerful than the jam man. Might as well hold out for one of them. I sure would! Patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 9 10:32:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08334; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:32:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:32:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990909133931.35407.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.129.13] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplex sells for $3,050.00 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 06:39:31 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"8grm62.0.3E7.-Yxrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My take is that the buyer for $3050. is From Gibson. >From: John Tidwell >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Echoplex sells for $3,050.00 >Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:18:16 -0700 (PDT) > >Tell Gibson that I refuse to pay $3000.00 for an >Echoplex. > >Unless, of course, it has Kim's portrait & signature >on it! > >John > >--- Tom Ritchford wrote: > > >According to the bidder who came in 2nd (and bid > > $3,000), at least 4 of us > > >contacted him and selflessly offered up their own > > prized EDP's for a healthy > > >sum. > > > > for $3K you could get a beefy powerbook and write > > your own damn looper! > > whew. $3000. Gibson, Gibson! > > > > /t > > > > > >=== >John Tidwell > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 9 10:49:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12268; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:49:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:49:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282D4B9@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: jam man or boomerang Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:52:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"o9FrG3.0.ho7.Dkxrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, New to the list, I'm sold on the boomerang for guitar anyway. The sound quality isn't bad if you run it into a decent amp I've found anyway. Gosh a combination of both, the boomerang and jamman would be really neat. I only have a boommerang and I really like the thing. I run a balanced line out (tube sound) from my main tube power amp into an old ADA microtube 200 power amp into 2 2x12's. The sound is really nice.In fact, I'm planning on adding another boomerang. I fade it in and out via volume pedals. Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 9 10:56:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14123; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:56:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:56:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <73753a63.25091ead@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:31:09 EDT Subject: Re: jam man or boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"wgeBx.0.G_1.QJyrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 9/9/99 2:04:57 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, postaldave@qx.net writes: << postaldave@qx.net and yes I am a postal worker. >> and dave, thats why we luv ya................:)............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 9 11:07:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17190; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:07:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:07:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909091432.HAA05793@scv1.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 09:32:23 -0500 Subject: FS: JamMan (32sec) $450 Harmony Central From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BOuBN3.0.x22.gKyrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Asking Price: US$450 Condition: Good Age: N/A Description: Jamman with 32 second upgrade. The three analog knobs are somewhat scratchy (while being turned), the headphone jack works best inserted to the first click (no problems on the other jacks). OTHERWISE, THE UNIT WORKS PERFECTLY. Lexicon says the above mentioned problems are very common on the Jamman. They currently perform a Jamman overhaul for $95 which covers all inserts and pots. (I bought the unit used in this condition, and it has worked with no other troubles for me during the year and a half Ive owned it.) BTW, I recently corresponded with a guy who bought an 8 sec. Jamman for $450 which has the same problems, although the seller failed to inform him of the problems. Incl. orig. footswitch+cable, p.s., copy of manual. $450 Seller: Jeff Lies, (402) 445-0656 E-mail: jefflies@radiks.net (Profile) Location: OMAHA, NE Post Date: 9/8/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 9 11:52:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28526; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:52:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:52:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37D7CE2E.69407DC2@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 17:11:42 +0200 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: fr,en-US,fr-BE,en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: Procrastination Audio Looper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"E_RHu2.0.c-4.z_yrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Saluti at the link down under you'll find some very long delay vst plugins(PC)(4,12,and 60 sec) the scfree plugin pack at http://acidfreak.future.easyspace.com/ now make up your patches in audiomulch http://www.audiomulch.com/ use 3 or 4 of these long delays play some freak out and let your girlfriend/boyfriend sleep alone this night zoing Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 9 12:30:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05047; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:30:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:30:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 08:44:15 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: PMC10 sells for $355.00 Resent-Message-ID: <"iI2wE2.0.1V6.wOzrt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I believe I purchased mine for around $250 - $280. That's very distant memory. I found a second one just recently. At first I recommended it to a friend of mine, and he bought it. I told him if it didn't work out I'd take it off his hands and that's what happened. $60.00 buckolas!!! Now I just back one up to the other after a programming session. >>> Sean 09/08 10:40 PM >>> The auction for the Digitech PMC10 that was on ebay just ended. Ended up going for more than I thought it would - but then again, it was only about half the price of a new Rocktron All Access. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=156715250 Anyone know what these things went for new when they were in production? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 9 12:59:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11388; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:59:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:59:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Lewistenis@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:42:47 EDT Subject: Re: jam man or boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"lrrJ51.0.Hy1.nE-rt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Whats a dual plex? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 9 16:12:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22974; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:12:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:12:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990909193716.19458.rocketmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:37:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Novak Subject: Re: Echoplex sells for $3,050.00 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"agMfG.0.4-1.Vm0st"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, I just joined this list and I know a little bit about some of these devices but I don't own any. Yet. I might be into some money soon and I was considering getting an Oberheim Echoplex, but just what is the price on that thing? Last figure I saw was around $900. The website said something about the price coming down when it went into production again, but $3,000 is certainly not down! Jam Men seem to just slip through my fingers, someone's always quicker with their checkbook than I am, so I've given up hope of getting one of those. Well, I appreciate whatever comments/suggestions you can give to this neophyte. Thanks, Ryan Novak __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 9 16:34:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28240; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:34:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:34:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echopark99@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:03:59 EDT Subject: Let's compare the RDS 7.6 and RDS 8000 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"v7-M83.0.wo4.OB1st"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi people, I've encountered a cheap RDS 7.6 nearby ($100) and am considering it. Among other loopers, I've been using the RDS 8000 already. It seems the 7.6 is an older issue and I'm hoping it may have a grittier, early-digital sound quality, making it useful for textural variation (my ol' Jam Man is practically HiFi when it comes to electric guitar!) Anybody compared the two RDS's? The 7.6 also has a VCO input on the back, and I believe my 8000 does not. What can you do with that control? ANother difference I noticed is when set to max. delay (as it should be!) the time delay range seems to be greater - the dial is marked something like <1 sec. - 7.6 sec. This may give greater pitch control of a loop (once held) than the 8000 which goes from 2 sec. to 8 sec. in max. delay. Oh and one more thing - what does "Invert Feedback" do? COmments? eric p echo park From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 9 22:00:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05287; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:00:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:00:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQVc9G1ntKU7yEU8UGBgg+OUIdNMAIVAI1targzCjzjWuSYa75zhDBRmOrH From: hipSheridan@webtv.net (Sheridan Lane) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:13:14 -0400 (EDT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: ensoniq asrx Message-ID: <12606-37D85B2A-841@postoffice-241.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Doug Lawrence" 's message of Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:04:57 -0400 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-27644-461 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"c-noX2.0.yi6.pi5st"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --WebTV-Mail-27644-461 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I want to thank you for helping me to locate some knowledge on my asrx.I was brand new to computerize hi tech samplers.Also I am not a music note reader. So I was in outter space without a ship or pertective suit. So thanks again and I apologize for taking so long to show my appreciation. D.J.Doc Lane --WebTV-Mail-27644-461 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-102-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.99) by postoffice-242.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 18:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by mailsorter-102-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id SAA26697 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 18:50:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28706; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:33:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:33:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Doug Lawrence" To: Subject: RE: ensoniq asrx Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:04:57 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <647-37C1CE5C-7327@postoffice-243.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"a7Wyt.0.XA5.G-Umt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check Onelist.com for the ASR-X group. It's definitely worth checking out the archives ... http://www.onelist.com/viewarchive.cgi?listname=asrx -----Original Message----- From: Sheridan Lane [mailto:hipSheridan@webtv.net] Sent: Monday, August 23, 1999 6:43 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ensoniq asrx Hello Everyone; Is there anybody out there that can give me tips on the asrx? Tips like sequencing,beat tempo matching and other internal settings. I am a d.j. and I have been playing music for twenty years and now I want to add some of my own. D.J. Doc Lane --WebTV-Mail-27644-461-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 9 22:05:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06434; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:05:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:05:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37D8597B.7A34054E@home.com> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 21:06:03 -0400 From: Fabio Katz Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Chapman Stick and loops live in Ottawa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PNApz.0.gF6.Jc5st"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi loopers, I'll be playing at the Chapters Southkeys bookstore in Ottawa, Canada this Friday, September 10 from 8:00 to 10:00 PM. I'll be doing originals and covers (Piazzolla, Bach, Schubert, Telemann, Gentle Giant, Lennon-McCartney, Santana) arranged for solo Stick (and loops for some songs). Visit http://www.geocities.com/soho/suite/7007 to listen to some sample songs. Chapters Southkeys is located at 2210 Bank Street (north of Hunt Club Rd.) http://www.chaptersglobe.com/Stores/Store.asp?STOREID=2152 Chapman Stick: invented in the early seventies by Emmet Chapman in California, a 12-string instrument played by tapping independently with each hand. Visit Stick Enterprises at http://www.stick.com for more details on the Stick. Hope to see you there! Fabio Katz http://www.geocities.com/soho/suite/7007 mailto:fabiok@home.com #1344 6+6 Standard Tuning Grand Stick with MIDI Oberheim Echoplex From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 9 22:28:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11437; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:28:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:28:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006901befb30$d33f5e20$af70d6d1@micronjenni> From: "Jenni Leeds" To: Subject: Dig. SpaceStation Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:04:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0066_01BEFB06.E9E30F20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"M-d1y2.0.KF1.JN6st"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01BEFB06.E9E30F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am looking for a 'used' digitech spacestation in the $100 range. Does = anybody have any leads or are willing to give up theirs? Jamie (in Nashville) -sketches of everyone's set-ups might be a good idea. I'm looking for a = good 4-6 track mixer to control the various lines into my echoplex as = well....any ideas? ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01BEFB06.E9E30F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am looking for a 'used' digitech = spacestation=20 in the $100 range. Does anybody have any leads or are willing to give up = theirs?
    Jamie (in=20 Nashville)
 
-sketches of everyone's set-ups = might be a good=20 idea. I'm looking for a good 4-6 track mixer to control the various = lines into=20 my echoplex as well....any ideas?
------=_NextPart_000_0066_01BEFB06.E9E30F20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 9 22:30:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12255; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:30:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:30:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <84f3a5e6.2509c26d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:09:49 EDT Subject: Re: Chapman Stick and loops live in Ottawa To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"C9lqF2.0.It1.LY6st"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 9/10/99 1:05:21 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, fabiok@home.com writes: << http://www.geocities.com/soho/suite/7007 to listen to some sample songs. >> i had no luck with this............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 9 22:44:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15772; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:44:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:44:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37D8597B.7A34054E@home.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:22:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: Chapman Stick and loops live in Ottawa Resent-Message-ID: <"6Dy3L3.0.Ri2.Ul6st"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey fabio, Long time no see. have a great gig. Patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 9 22:48:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16458; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:48:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:48:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0DB583E@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: addy? Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:10:27 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"aOIqS.0.Im6.ik5st"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com thanks man, i was thinking that there was a street address. i was gonna try and get a friend in nyc to go see him for me . . . > -----Original Message----- > From: Rik Myers [SMTP:zanga@mindspring.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 18:30 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: addy? > > At 02:28 PM 9/8/99 -0400, you wrote: > >howdy, > > > >someone had posted a real address (ya know, a street number) for pedalman > in > >nyc. i (lamely) forgot it. can anyone resupply me with it?? > > I don't...only used email with them (and bought from gaspedal). At the > site, it looks like the operating procedure is "E" for info, then get the > secret password. Like a speakeasy. Can never be too careful. Durn > communiss... > > EMAIL sales@pedalman.com > PHONE (212) 802-7279 > > Best O Luck Stig > > Hasta -> Arf > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 9 22:59:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19022; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:59:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:59:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:32:36 EDT Subject: Re: Dig. SpaceStation...mixer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"qrgVP3.0.573.Ku6st"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com mackies are cool and can be found used sometimes for not too much cash. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 9 23:01:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19848; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:01:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:01:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:21:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: jam man or boomerang Resent-Message-ID: <"TozWX2.0.DX2.Zk6st"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Whats a dual plex? Having two Echoplexi. It is not another piece of gear. At least not yet.... patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 00:25:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA07381; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:25:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:25:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: BCyayli@aol.com Message-ID: <544beb97.2509d5bc@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:32:12 EDT Subject: memory for JamMan To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"LQAq23.0.JS6.Dl7st"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I need to upgrade my JamMan from 8 seconds memory to 32 seconds...can anyone recommend a good and cheap source? thanks a lot...beth cohen From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 00:50:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14340; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:50:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:50:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Echoplex sells for $3,050.00 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:34:03 -0700 Message-ID: <001901befb45$b5e743a0$c783c8d8@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <19990909133931.35407.qmail@hotmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"9sNu71.0.Cj2.5f8st"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ha-ha-ha (LOL) -- that's the one they bought to make a schematic from! | -----Original Message----- | From: David Potter [mailto:papadave55@hotmail.com] | Sent: Thursday 09 September 1999 6:40 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: Echoplex sells for $3,050.00 | | | My take is that the buyer for $3050. is From Gibson. | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 00:58:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15667; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:58:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:58:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Echoplex sells for $3,050.00 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:34:05 -0700 Message-ID: <001a01befb45$b724a5a0$c783c8d8@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <19990909193716.19458.rocketmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"KfPSQ.0.Zj2.9f8st"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, I paid around $725 for a package from 8th Street in Philadelphia, Penn. that included the Echoplex and the foot pedal. I wouldn't pay more than $700 for that again. And I would buy another one, it's just that I gotta pay the rent too, and buy other equipment as well. Oh, and the RAM upgrade cost me like $25 from some store on the Internet. | -----Original Message----- | From: Ryan Novak [mailto:ryan_novak@yahoo.com] | Sent: Thursday 09 September 1999 12:37 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: Echoplex sells for $3,050.00 | | | Hi, | | I just joined this list and I know a little bit about | some of these devices but I don't own any. Yet. I | might be into some money soon and I was considering | getting an Oberheim Echoplex, but just what is the | price on that thing? Last figure I saw was around | $900. The website said something about the price | coming down when it went into production again, but | $3,000 is certainly not down! Jam Men seem to just | slip through my fingers, someone's always quicker with | their checkbook than I am, so I've given up hope of | getting one of those. | | Well, I appreciate whatever comments/suggestions you | can give to this neophyte. | | Thanks, | | | Ryan Novak | | | | | __________________________________________________ | Do You Yahoo!? | Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 01:14:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19235; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:14:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:14:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990910045714.10279.rocketmail@web127.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:57:14 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: memory for JamMan To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: BCyayli@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"N_P0Z2.0.an3.Iz8st"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't know what's considered a good price, but Rogue Music sells "Jamman Expansion Chips (set of 4)" for $72. http://www.roguemusic.com/news.html --- BCyayli@aol.com wrote: > I need to upgrade my JamMan from 8 seconds memory to > 32 seconds...can anyone > recommend a good and cheap source? thanks a > lot...beth cohen > > === John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 01:56:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27211; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:56:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:56:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990910053039.14095.qmail@ww185.netaddress.usa.net> Date: 9 Sep 99 22:30:39 PDT From: Dael Franke To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: [memory for JamMan] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.61) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id BAA22739 Resent-Message-ID: <"ehlyW1.0.XZ5.8U9st"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com BCyayli@aol.com wrote: >I need to upgrade my JamMan from 8 seconds memory to 32 seconds...can >anyone recommend a good and cheap source? thanks a lot...beth cohen Hooray! There's a woman amongst us! (Sometimes the testosterone gets a bit thick around here.) Dael Tallyho Franke Postscript: You may visit my website if you like. It's nice there, and there is a page for asking questions of the sea. http://sites.netscape.net/daelfranke/lickingflamesofpassion ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 04:20:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA24502; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 04:20:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 04:20:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37D8B742.3E992220@sfsu.edu> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:46:11 -0700 From: Matt Davignon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loop This! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"g_md63.0.GS4.DTBst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm working on putting stuff together for a "source" CD right now. As you noticed, we announced very similar projects on the same day. I'm hoping to send some stuff for your CD, but I'm waiting and hoping that there will be enough material for both. I guess I only need to have a couple of minutes for each CD after all... matt Patrick Smith wrote: > Hi matt, > > I just saw your message and will read it soon. We would love to have your > contribution " the patient said..." There is no firm submission date as of > yet, but perhaps we need to consider that. > > Patrick > > >That's a great idea! Hopefully you just got an email from me yesterday and > >would be interested in the "source/product" idea. > > > >I'd love to send some contributions, but I have to make the time. When > >should I > >have them in by? > > > >matt davignon > > > >Patrick Smith wrote: > > > >> FNGP is happy to announce the next project on board for FingerPaint. We are > >> looking for sonic contributions from list members to be used at our > >> discretion for our CD release "Loop This!" The loops can be ambient swirly > >> material, bass lines, drum loops, rhythm tracks, vocal lines, samples, > >> melodies, anything....it is up to the contributor. (All loops should > >> contain only material created by the contributor, with sample clearance for > >> our use.) > >> > >> Why are we doing this? It is a common notion that randomness is an > >> indispensable ingredient of creative acts. In FingerPaint we begin our > >> pieces by improvising loop(s). We use multiple JAM MEN, ECHPLEXI, & > >> DIGITECH TIME MACHINES as well as multiple effects boxes and synths to > >> create our loops. Then we play with this material and see what develops. > >> Since distance and budgetary constraints prevent us from inviting other > >> loopers directly into our studio, we are exploring this avenue as a way to > >> begin working with other musicians. "Loop This!" will be released under the > >> name of the FingerPaint Collective. > >> > >> IF we use your material, you will be fully credited on the CD, our web site > >> and anywhere else we can infiltrate. Our two previous CD releases have > >> generated several reviews and air play round the world. Also any one who's > >> material makes it on the CD will receive 5 CD's to keep for the > >> grandchildren.... When this project becomes financially solvent royalties > >> will be paid out in accordance with the number of participants. > >> > >> Eventually we my be doing this with MP3 files posted directly to our site. > >> A remix of this project is also possible. Let's explore. > >> > >> Send your material on DAT or CD to: > >> > >> FNGP > >> PO BOX 5364 > >> Takoma Park, MD > >> 20913 > >> > >> Peace, > >> > >> Patrick > >> Fingerpaint's New Release: > >> > >> IN THE LOOP > >> > >> ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and > >> obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. > >> > >> DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 > >> > >> http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 04:47:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA29095; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 04:47:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 04:47:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37D8BED1.D2C23029@sfsu.edu> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:18:25 -0700 From: Matt Davignon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: (CT) new found sound chain-letter tape ideas References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yOdv71.0.lw5.5xBst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello everybody. This is an invitation to all for participation in a "chain letter tape" project. The basic premise behind these chain letter tapes is that we send a tape around to people who add their own tracks. When the tape gets back to me, I make a CD out of it and send it to all the participants. Credit should go to Michael Klobuchar for having the wonderful idea and managing the first completed chain tape project. I currently have a "found sound" chain tape going around. I expect that that project will be finished in about 4-8 weeks. After that, I'm going to be eager to start a new project that delves a little further into the whole sampling/finding aspect of music making. At the moment, I'm planning on doing either the first or second of the projects listed below. The third is kind of an afterthought. I'm mostly into experimental music, but I'm hoping to get a variety of sampling/reworking styles with these projects. I'm very tired at the moment so I don't know if I'm providing enough details. Let me know if you or anybody you know would be interested in participating. IMPORTANT: please write to my other e-mail address, which is mattdavignon@hotmail.com The email address I'm using right now (mdavig@sfsu.edu) is going to be cancelled in a few days, and hotmail is way to slow to get the mass Loopers' Delight e-mails. (I'll sign up again when I get e-mail that i can use with Netscape Messenger.) When you write to me regarding these projects, please start the subject line with (CT) so I know what it's about. We'll figure out a new header when we know which project we're doing first. OK, here are my ideas 1) SOURCE/PRODUCT: All participants send me a certain amount of "source material". This could be just about anything, instrumental tracks, drum tracks, singing, talking and so on. I'll make a "source" CD that is made up entirely of these tracks and send it back to all of you. Then we all make music using only the source CD for material. The idea is that we'll all have different ideas of what to do with this source material, and it will be interesting to hear what different musicians do to be different when they're using the same stuff. We'll collect your "PRODUCT" contributions with a regular chain tape. I'll then compile your tracks and make the "PRODUCT" CD and send it back to you. The CD's will come packaged together, but I'll only have to send everybody the PRODUCT cd because you'll all still have the SOURCE cd. 2) CHAIN REMIX: Ok, I know this has been done before, but it seems that it's only done by drum 'n' bass and techno people. I'd like to see a project done where all the musicians come from different musical stances. The basic premise is that we start with one song, preferably something accessible yet creative. We send both the entire song and the seperated tracks on a tape or CD to the next person. [For example, the tape would have 1) whole song then 2) just the drum track then 3) just the guitar track and so on.] The second person makes a remix or a new song out of the old song by using both samples of the most recent track and new samples and instrumental (or programmed/looped?) material. Basically, he's allowed to do whatever he wants, as long as the previous mix is still recognizeable as the source. The second person then sends ONLY HIS version of the song to the next person in line, both in complete form and with tracks seperated. This way, each person in line only has the most current version of the song to remix/create from. I think it will make the project more interesting if, for example, the 5th person in line only hears the 4th version of the song. That way, he can't hear what the original was and is not tempted to remain faithful to the original. This will be a study of a songs evolution through reworking/remixing. Each step will be new ideas mixed with old ideas. It's possible that by the 4th version, any sign of the original may have dissappeared. Then again, tracks very similar to the original could keep coming back accidentally. It's hard to tell from the beginning what the result will be on this one. 3) MUSIC OF ERRORS: This is kind of a side note, but while listening to the messed up version of the East Coast CT disc (Mr. Fodder and Rafter won't know what I'm talking about), I started to really like the strange mutation of Tim Nelson's song, sounding completely different than it should've, but somehow really beautiful and worthy of listen and appreciation. All of the messed up songs (was it a "buffer underrun error"?) sound radically different than the originals, but Tim's almost sounds like a whole new creature that could walk by itself. I'm curious to know how many of you have had this happen, where some fatal mistake caused your song to become some strange mutant with a whole new sense and purpose. If there's enough of you, and enough different errors, I'd like to make a compilation of just the error versions of the songs. I will probably make these CD's available through mail-order for really cheap ($4 per regular CD, or $5-6 for the 2 cd set "Source/Product", postage paid). It would be really complex for me to charge $10 and send everyone a profit, so we'll make it cheap advertising where nobody makes a profit. This is the cost of raw materials and postage. Just a chance to get heard by new people and exchange ideas. As much as I appreciate any participation, I'm much too poor to provide the CD's and postage to get you guys all free copies. (For anyone who wasn't here for the last go-around and doesn't already know,) we'll divvy up the costs, which will probably come up to $6-8 for "source/product", $4-5 plus one blank tape for the chain remix, and just $4-5 for "Music of Errors". best, Matt Davignon From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 06:13:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA12364; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 06:13:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 06:13:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 02:28:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Paint Me a Picture Resent-Message-ID: <"DfUaL2.0.6_.BzCst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 7:27 PM -0700 9/8/99, David Myers wrote: >Dpcoffin's Illustrator gear block diagram is an example of one of the >things I love about this endeavor. I use Illustrator myself, but I suppose >it's overkill for those who aren't graphics professionals. > >I think a terrific addition to the Looper's Delight site would be a >collection of just such diagrams; looping flowcharts are at least as >pertinent to loop technique as any details about loop devices themselves, >IMO. What do you think, Kim? Or whomever could set up such a thing? I'm >not quite web-invested enough to even keep my own site in motion, so I >don't volunteer, but if anyone wants to swap block diagrams of their >current loop layouts, I have my own (quite the poor cousin of DPC's--his >gives me heavy G.A.S.) in Illustrator, and I can save/send as GIF, JPEG, or >whatever. One of the things I'll have to get around to putting at my >site.... > >David Myers > >><< I am interested in the thread regarding signal path/ >> gear setup- >> >> >>so am i.......i think this would be most helpfull..........michael hey, I think this is a great idea! At the moment, I'm buried under an unprecedented amount of work, so I'd need a lot of help from someone to get it together. If somebody out there is motivated about this and is reasonably skilled in web page creation, would you like to take it on? All you need to do is organize people's setup contributions, make a few nice pages out of it (that are all ready to upload), and forward on to me. I'll put it up, and you'll gain fame and fortune with your name prominently displayed on Looper's Delight! Remember, the more people chip in, the better your loop community gets. Now's your chance! thanks, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 06:46:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA18114; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 06:46:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 06:46:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:05:00 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19990910111258.2edf79be@subnet.virtual-pc.com> X-Sender: or387751@subnet.virtual-pc.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: david cooper orton Subject: Live looping in London, 15-ix-99 Resent-Message-ID: <"vUvcf.0.d03.tcDst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all Just a brief note to advise that I'll be playing in the cafe area of the British Library [96 Euston Rd, London NW1 2DB] next Wednesday, 15th September between 12.30 and 2pm. Further details, inc. a map, available at , and some audio examples, including the relatively recent: Satie's Faction [Can't get me no] can be found at I thank you David From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 07:03:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA21945; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:03:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:03:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003e01befb79$279bf760$cfb854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> From: MKata@Wintegrity.com (Mark Kata) To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Digital Answering Machine Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 06:42:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"XNxA83.0.wM4.-3Est"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I recently bought a new answering machine that records messages with very poor sound quality. It seems to have a noise gate that cuts off words that aren't spoken loudly enough. Needless to say, I replaced it with a better model. Is there some way that I can use the digital recording mechanism as a looper in my guitar rig? Mark Kata From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 07:39:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA29004; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:39:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:39:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Clifford Novey" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Non Loop Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 03:55:26 -0700 Message-ID: <000001befb7a$fd7f1aa0$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01BEFB40.512042A0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"fwmK8.0.jw4.rEEst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BEFB40.512042A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have discovered a software program that is amazing- it is called Generator and it is a deep program for literally creating synth modules and chains. The absoloute best thing for me is that you can tweek your settings so that you get NO DELAY between your keyboard and computer generated sounds you hear- man, I have everything from feedbacking ring modulated moog like sickness to classic leslie-organs- and I AM LOOPING it right now as we speak- HOW NICE to play against different sounds! What an incredible thing for a MIDI GUITAR!!!! Oh my gosh! How do I make a midi guitar cheap???? Help, I am too excited!!!! It is made by Native Instruments. www.native-instruments.com You have to see it- it is so deep- you choose or CREATE a source- ORGAN then route it to a leslie or filter or WHATEVER- actually it looks A LOT like that interface for making schematics someone posted about- I am just so happy because I am always plagued by a horrible delay when trying to use a virtual instrument in Cubase- I have an ultra cheap Midiman D-Man soundcard but this works PERFECT! It is like I just bought a moog, Juno , every thing you can think of!!! You all really need to check this out- e-mail me off list for options- Clifford PS I will have new loops on my website with this!!!!!!!!! ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BEFB40.512042A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have = discovered a=20 software program that is amazing- it is called Generator and it is a = deep=20 program for literally creating synth modules and chains. The absoloute = best=20 thing for me is that you can tweek your settings so that you get NO = DELAY=20 between your keyboard and computer generated sounds you hear- man, I = have=20 everything from feedbacking ring modulated moog like sickness to classic = leslie-organs- and I AM LOOPING it right now as we speak- HOW NICE to = play=20 against different sounds! What an incredible thing for a MIDI GUITAR!!!! = Oh my=20 gosh! How do I make a midi guitar cheap???? Help, I am too excited!!!! = It is=20 made by Native Instruments. www.native-instruments.com=
 
You = have to see it-=20 it is so deep- you choose or CREATE a source- ORGAN then route it to a = leslie or=20 filter or WHATEVER- actually it looks A LOT like that interface for = making=20 schematics someone posted about- I am just so happy because I am always = plagued=20 by a horrible delay when trying to use a virtual instrument in Cubase- I = have an=20 ultra cheap Midiman D-Man soundcard but this works PERFECT! It is like I = just=20 bought a moog, Juno , every thing you can think = of!!!
 
You = all really need=20 to check this out- e-mail me off list for options-
 
Clifford
 
PS I = will have new=20 loops on my website with this!!!!!!!!!
------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BEFB40.512042A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 08:04:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01245; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:04:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:04:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37D8EA77.465F@club-internet.fr> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:24:39 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: DJRND2 portrait Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------AF9214D686E" Resent-Message-ID: <"quL4L2.0.rN6.AgEst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ce message est en plusieurs parties sous format MIME. --------------AF9214D686E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi looping world Manufacturing looping devices seems to be easier to me than writing HTML for my website : my photos sometimes refuse to appear So please find here another portrait of my DJRND2 device. Hope it will not take too much of your time to receive it Last night, I had a chance to check it out live with a DJ in a wellknown discotheque in Paris. Nice and discreet. People go on dancing on multiple loops just as if it was several LPs mixed together. I just pick up in loops different passages and keep them sync while the DJ plays his records, so he can at any time add loops in his mix. At the end, he lets me make the show for a while with only loops mixed together. 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archive/latest/8091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/1999/Oberheim-Armadillo.html Oberheim Now Distributed in US by Armadillo September 10, 1999 - Armadillo Enterprises has announced that they are now the new distributors of the Oberheim product line in the United State. These products are made in Italy under the parent corporation "Viscount." Viscount has 35 full-time engineers that are managing to come up with some great new products for the Oberheim line. The new products that will be out within the next 6 months are the OB12 and the OB5. No mention of the you-know-what, and it isn't on the site... :-( MT From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 09:21:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17316; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:21:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:21:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37D900C5.65F7FC1D@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:59:49 -0400 From: "roguemus@ix.netcom.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: memory for JamMan References: <544beb97.2509d5bc@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"M60mI1.0.R93.V6Gst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com We have the chips for $72 Dick Michaels rogue Music NYC http://www.roguemusic.com http://www.auctionsoup.com BCyayli@aol.com wrote: > I need to upgrade my JamMan from 8 seconds memory to 32 seconds...can anyone > recommend a good and cheap source? thanks a lot...beth cohen From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 09:39:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA21420; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:39:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:39:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:01:22 EDT Subject: Re: Oberheim Now Distributed in US by Armadillo To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 246 Resent-Message-ID: <"2Ex_F1.0.l63.B5Gst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I understood that Gibson was going to continue to market the Oberheirm Echoplex EDP....that the assembly facility was being rebuilt, and that EDP's would be available once again, in a few short months. I don't know where the manufacturing is to take place, and whether or not Gibson will be doing the manufacturing or others. Again, Michael Ayers of Gibson, is the fellow that gave me that information a few short months ago! Regards, Wayne From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 09:56:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25311; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:56:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:56:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37D8C0F6.381400A3@texas.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:27:35 +0000 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Oberheim Now Distributed in US by Armadillo References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GuKlY1.0.0a4.QSGst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com the rep for armadillo came into my store & yakked for 3 hours non-stop (egads). he knew nothing about echoplex manufacture but boy could he go on about johnny rabb drumsticks. he wouldn't leave. i felt i was being punished. bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 10:03:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27239; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:03:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:03:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: m1cha3l@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199909101235.IAA07309@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:42:40 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Tuminello Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #363 Resent-Message-ID: <"66UzV1.0.QA5.9dGst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey - Can someone give me this URL? I'd like to check it our and see if it's the kind of thing that might interest me. If it's not over my head, I might be willing to volunteer to do this. I can even host, if Kim's running low on space... Thanks, MT >At 7:27 PM -0700 9/8/99, David Myers wrote: >>Dpcoffin's Illustrator gear block diagram is an example of one of the >>things I love about this endeavor. I use Illustrator myself, but I suppose >>it's overkill for those who aren't graphics professionals. >> >>I think a terrific addition to the Looper's Delight site would be a >>collection of just such diagrams; looping flowcharts are at least as >>pertinent to loop technique as any details about loop devices themselves, >>IMO. What do you think, Kim? Or whomever could set up such a thing? I'm >>not quite web-invested enough to even keep my own site in motion, so I >>don't volunteer, but if anyone wants to swap block diagrams of their >>current loop layouts, I have my own (quite the poor cousin of DPC's--his >>gives me heavy G.A.S.) in Illustrator, and I can save/send as GIF, JPEG, or >>whatever. One of the things I'll have to get around to putting at my >>site.... >> >>David Myers >> >>><< I am interested in the thread regarding signal path/ >>> gear setup- >> >>> >>>so am i.......i think this would be most helpfull..........michael > > >hey, I think this is a great idea! At the moment, I'm buried under an >unprecedented amount of work, so I'd need a lot of help from someone to get >it together. If somebody out there is motivated about this and is >reasonably skilled in web page creation, would you like to take it on? All >you need to do is organize people's setup contributions, make a few nice >pages out of it (that are all ready to upload), and forward on to me. I'll >put it up, and you'll gain fame and fortune with your name prominently >displayed on Looper's Delight! > >Remember, the more people chip in, the better your loop community gets. >Now's your chance! > >thanks, >kim > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 10:06:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27664; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:06:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:06:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:31:04 -0500 (CDT) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Diagrams Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"UfiQ83.0.2z4.saGst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Heck I can do a diagram right here...view in courier for best results. I hope this works... Signal path goes from to to bottom. Note the path is in stereo except as noted. Input Source = Guitars, Keyboard Synths, Drum Machines, Mics, etc. Type ! ! Mono Stereo Stereo Mono ! ! Boss DD-3 Delay (2 second delay) ! ! ! ! Assorted Stompboxes (too many to list here) ! ! ! ! Mesa Studio Preamp--> FX Send L --> Lexicon Vortex ---> Lex 2 Pos Switch ! ! ! ^ ^ --> FX Send R --> FX/Loops/Drones A/B+Tap Delay ! ! ! ! ! ! ! V ! ! L R R L 3 ! ! ! ! ! ! Pos ! ! ! ! ! ! Sw ! ! ! ! ART SGE FX Unit --> ART X-11 MIDI ! ! ! ! ! ! controller ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! BBE 422 Sonic Maximizer ! ! ! ! R L ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! \ ^<---FX Return Right Channel-/ / ! ! ^ <-- FX Return Left Channel <--/ ! ! Roland VS-840 (COSM FX (2 sec. dly) + signal routing + mixing/recording). ! ! ! ! PowerMac 6400, 80M ram, 512K cache, 1.6 Gig HD. Audio recording, mixing, mastering, sweetening. Procrastination Looper (4 minutes delay time), CD burning capability + other audio joyfulness. For my live rig, after the Mesa preamp there's a Roland JC-120. The left output goes into the left channel of the amp and the right output goes into the right channel for a stereo signal. -Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 10:29:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00821; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:29:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:29:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909101337.WAA23253@mail.st.rim.or.jp> Subject: Re: Oberheim Now Distributed in US by Armadillo Date: Fri, 10 Sep 99 22:41:00 -0000 x-sender: liminal@mail.st.rim.or.jp x-mailer: Claris Emailer-J 2.0v2 From: Yoshiaki Matsumoto To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"XDqNN.0.k85.RcGst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Whoa. 35 sounds like a huge number -- overkill, almost -- I wonder if this includes tech support engineers? :) I believe a mockup of the OB12 was showing at the Frankfurt Messe -- the appearance was quite classy, and different from the Matrix series, from what I can recall of an even half a year ago... The real question is: will we get an EDP with a different color front panel? :) Now I'm really really regretting missing out on the group buy... >http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/1999/Oberheim-Armadillo.html > >Oberheim Now Distributed in US by > Armadillo > > September 10, 1999 - Armadillo Enterprises has announced that they are >now the new > distributors of the Oberheim product line in the United State. These >products are made > in Italy under the parent corporation "Viscount." Viscount has 35 >full-time engineers > that are managing to come up with some great new products for the >Oberheim line. > >The new products that will be out within the next 6 months are the OB12 and >the OB5. > >No mention of the you-know-what, and it isn't on the site... > >:-( > >MT > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 10:36:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02282; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:36:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:36:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990910141731.34725.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.138.250] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Oberheim Now Distributed in US by Armadillo Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:17:31 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"6ukYL1.0.YX7.YCHst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Gibson is relocating near Palo Alto in Mountainview, Calif. Good news for Miko and I and the westernloopers.....maybe. Om and Out Papa Dave >From: Wjguitar@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Oberheim Now Distributed in US by Armadillo >Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:01:22 EDT > >I understood that Gibson was going to continue to market the Oberheirm >Echoplex EDP....that the assembly facility was being rebuilt, and that >EDP's >would be available once again, in a few short months. I don't know where >the >manufacturing is to take place, and whether or not Gibson will be doing the >manufacturing or others. > >Again, Michael Ayers of Gibson, is the fellow that gave me that information >a >few short months ago! > >Regards, Wayne > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 10:56:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07217; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:56:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:56:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <544beb97.2509d5bc@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:28:53 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed Drake Subject: Re: memory for JamMan Resent-Message-ID: <"AtzDo.0.io7.YHHst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com beth, I believe on one of the jamman pages (about memory i think) at the looper's delight website there is mention of this. i think visionsoft.com might be the cheapest place. please correct me if i'm wrong. ed >I need to upgrade my JamMan from 8 seconds memory to 32 seconds...can anyone >recommend a good and cheap source? thanks a lot...beth cohen From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 11:14:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11545; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:14:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:14:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37D918A0.90189619@node.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:41:37 -0400 From: James Keepnews Reply-To: keepnews@node.net Organization: * - node - * X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DJRND2 portrait References: <199909101306.JAA13815@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"c2t2a1.0.et.wYHst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Emmanuel écrivit: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: DJRND2 portrait > Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:24:39 +0200 > From: PERILLE > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Hi looping world > > Manufacturing looping devices seems to be easier to me than writing HTML > for my website : my photos sometimes refuse to appear > > So please find here another portrait of my DJRND2 device. Hope it will > not take too much of your time to receive it > > Last night, I had a chance to check it out live with a DJ in a wellknown > discotheque in Paris. Nice and discreet. People go on dancing on > multiple loops just as if it was several LPs mixed together. I just pick > up in loops different passages and keep them sync while the DJ plays his > records, so he can at any time add loops in his mix. At the end, he lets > me make the show for a while with only loops mixed together. Works > pretty well > > Emmanuel > http://web.club-internet.fr/perille > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Formidable! And I'm impressed with your analog solution (gears! how steampunk is that?) to an increasingly digital ethos. But I couldn't tell from your site if this garçon mal is available for sale...alors? Combien? If it isn't in "production," do you expect it to be soon? Or is it strictly for your own use? If so, please tour the United States immediately. I have a line on a space in Peekskill... ----------------------------------------------------------------- ~ > --- James Keepnews --- < "Don't quote anybody, Sir!" (.-.) > -- Multimedia Yahoo -- < \ * -- Krishnamurti - > - keepnews@node.net - < ----------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 11:59:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22467; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:59:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:59:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909101536.IAA05777@scv2.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:36:11 -0500 Subject: FS: tc 2290 $1000, Harmony Central From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"51g_C.0.e74.vLIst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com FS: TC 2290 $1000.00 Asking Price: US$1000 Condition: Excellent Age: N/A Description: TC Electronics 2290 Dynamic Digital Delay in excellent condition w box, manual ($100.00 value), and 8 seconds of sampling. This is the best delay on the planet and it pains me deeply to sell it. $1000.00 firm Seller: Eric Lyke, E-mail: elyke@home.com (Profile) Post Date: 9/9/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 12:05:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24140; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:05:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:05:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <027b01befb9e$c27c1970$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: upcoming performance Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:11:29 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"F80A61.0.0G3.t8Ist"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Unbelievable! Looping in central Indiana! We're doing a show of all improvisation, some of it involving looping, in Lafayette, Indiana, this Sunday, Sept 12. Performers include musicians, spoken word/vocal, dancers, and videographers. We will be improvising individually and jointly. See http://208.13.57.43/RoundToIt/TSMhome.htm for more details. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 12:22:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28684; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:22:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:22:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990910153141.54874.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [206.129.243.247] From: "Dan Bartell" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: The GT-5 is a looper? Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:31:41 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"J1n8t2.0.-r3.5IIst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was looking for new ways to process my v-drums and tablas, when I ran across the GT-5. While looking at the list-o-effects it included Loop, does anyone have more information on this? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 12:25:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29684; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:25:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:25:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909101537.IAA06059@scv2.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:37:38 -0500 Subject: FS: 7.6sec time machine, $175, Harmony Central From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QqNhe.0.YA4.GNIst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Vintage FX and other stuff Asking Price: US$N/A Condition: Excellent Age: N/A Description: Maestro Rhythm & Sound G-1...................$450 Great instrument-triggered percussion and amp effects (fuzz, natural amp). See http://www.tonefrenzy.com/maestro_rhythm_sound.htm for more feature info and review. Like new condition (NOS); used very little--purchased from unsold demo stock. Comes with hard shell case, manual, warranty card, point-of-sale cardboard overlay and genuine Maestro keychain! These devices are pretty rare and almost impossible to find in this condition. The price is $450. Unicord Uni-Fuzz.........$200 Another rare piece. Wicked fuzz. A perfect compliment to your Uni-Vibe. These things were also branded as "Sam Ash Fuzzolas" and cover the gamut from light to very full and menacing. My friend says that Korn uses one, but who knows. Price is $200. Also... MoogerFooger Ring Modulator: Almost new with box and manual, $220 Digitech RDS 7.6 Time Machine, rackmount, some chipped knobs but overall in good condition. $175 OBO Custom Hollowbody Acoustic Guitarron Bass: Handmade and beautiful. Jumbo sound with some fret buzz. Hardshell case. Must be seem to be believed. $350 OBO May consider a trade Maestro VCF Filter/Sample/Hold device (but really want a new amp.) Buyer pays shipping. Pictures available. Ken KOKAYA@excite.com Seller: Ken O, E-mail: kokaya@excite.com (Profile) Post Date: 9/9/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 12:28:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30828; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:28:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:28:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37D92C63.2ED3@club-internet.fr> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:05:55 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re : DJRND2 portrait Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HxvQQ1.0.Dw5.8nIst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Emmanuel écrivit: > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Subject: DJRND2 portrait > > Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:24:39 +0200 > > From: PERILLE > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > > > Hi looping world > > > > Manufacturing looping devices seems to be easier to me than writing HTML > > for my website : my photos sometimes refuse to appear > > > > So please find here another portrait of my DJRND2 device. Hope it will > > not take too much of your time to receive it > > > > Last night, I had a chance to check it out live with a DJ in a wellknown > > discotheque in Paris. Nice and discreet. People go on dancing on > > multiple loops just as if it was several LPs mixed together. I just pick > > up in loops different passages and keep them sync while the DJ plays his > > records, so he can at any time add loops in his mix. At the end, he lets > > me make the show for a while with only loops mixed together. Works > > pretty well > > > > Emmanuel > > http://web.club-internet.fr/perille > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Formidable! And I'm impressed with your analog solution (gears! how steampunk is > that?) to an increasingly digital ethos. > > But I couldn't tell from your site if this garçon mal is available for > sale...alors? Combien? If it isn't in "production," do you expect it to be soon? > Or is it strictly for your own use? If so, please tour the United States > immediately. I have a line on a space in Peekskill... > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ~ > --- James Keepnews --- < "Don't quote anybody, Sir!" > (.-.) > -- Multimedia Yahoo -- < > \ * -- Krishnamurti > - > - keepnews@node.net - < > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > DJRND2 : Homemade prototypes based upon an alien kind of BPM looping method, very efficient for DJs 686 Euros (around US$700) + shipping I also use it on my own at home or on live like yesterday night Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 13:02:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06630; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:02:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:02:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:28:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Diagrams Resent-Message-ID: <"H8KWT.0.DX7.x6Jst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Todd, I hope I'm not being too optimistic about other loopers' desire or ability to come up with graphic diagrams, but I find this kind of ASCII stuff to be damned unintelligible. Maybe if a diagrams page is set up, there could be a link to simple, freeware Mac and Windows drawing programs? Are other loopers inclined or disinclined to get into this visual thing? Just a half-dozen loop setup diagrams would be pretty worthwhile, I think. I'd consider doing a drawing for one person here and another there on occasion, if someone can set up the page and accept gifs from myself and other graphics-enabled individuals.... David Myers >Heck I can do a diagram right here...view in courier for best results. >I hope this works... > >Signal path goes from to to bottom. Note the path is in stereo except >as noted. > >Input Source = Guitars, Keyboard Synths, Drum Machines, Mics, etc. >Type ! ! Mono Stereo Stereo Mono > ! ! >Boss DD-3 Delay (2 second delay) > ! ! > ! ! >Assorted Stompboxes (too many to list here) > ! ! > ! ! >Mesa Studio Preamp--> FX Send L --> Lexicon Vortex ---> Lex 2 Pos Switch > ! ! ! ^ ^ --> FX Send R --> FX/Loops/Drones A/B+Tap Delay > ! ! ! ! ! ! ! > V ! ! L R R L > 3 ! ! ! ! ! ! >Pos ! ! ! ! ! ! >Sw ! ! ! ! ART SGE FX Unit --> ART X-11 MIDI > ! ! ! ! ! ! controller > ! ! ! ! ! > ! ! ! ! BBE 422 Sonic Maximizer > ! ! ! ! R L > ! ! ! ! ! ! > ! ! \ ^<---FX Return Right Channel-/ / > ! ! ^ <-- FX Return Left Channel <--/ > ! ! >Roland VS-840 (COSM FX (2 sec. dly) + signal routing + mixing/recording). > ! ! > ! ! >PowerMac 6400, 80M ram, 512K cache, 1.6 Gig HD. >Audio recording, mixing, mastering, sweetening. >Procrastination Looper (4 minutes delay time), >CD burning capability + other audio joyfulness. > >For my live rig, after the Mesa preamp there's a Roland JC-120. >The left output goes into the left channel of the amp and the >right output goes into the right channel for a stereo signal. > >-Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 13:04:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06783; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:04:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:04:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <027b01befb9e$c27c1970$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> References: <027b01befb9e$c27c1970$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:15:03 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: NYC-area loop performances? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"36k_52.0.nZ6.lvIst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com just a note. I run a calendar list called the Extreme NY Music and Arts Calendar. So if any of you are doing loopy performances in the NYC area, just drop me a line directly... I do read this list pretty thoroughly but I have been known to miss a spot! /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 13:15:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10258; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:15:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:15:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990910163447.90611.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.76] From: "g716" To: References: <19990910153141.54874.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: The GT-5 is a looper? Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:34:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2918.2701 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2918.2701 Resent-Message-ID: <"431Lc.0.G-7.EDJst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I believe that's and EFFECTS loop which would allow you to patch in another set of rack or pedal effects within the GT-5's signal path. It does have a delay would could be used as a very short looper.... ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Bartell To: Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 8:31 AM Subject: The GT-5 is a looper? > I was looking for new ways to process my v-drums and tablas, when I ran > across the GT-5. While looking at the list-o-effects it included Loop, does > anyone have more information on this? > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 13:18:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10642; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:18:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:18:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:54:02 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re : DJRND2 portrait Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id MAA04238 Resent-Message-ID: <"wvr5F1.0.k21.EUJst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com PERILLE m'a etonné avec: >DJRND2 : > >Homemade prototypes based upon an alien kind of BPM looping method, very >efficient for DJs > >686 Euros (around US$700) + shipping > >I also use it on my own at home or on live like yesterday night $700! That's about the same price as a new Echoplex! (as we know, old Echoplexes run about $3K). gee, you'd think it might be a nice thing to have instead of the promised new 'plexes. if perhaps you could post a signal path diagram or a text description or something to the list... it might be very very interesting... /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 13:31:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14442; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:31:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:31:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "lahatch" To: Subject: Re: Digital Answering Machine Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:19:57 -0700 Message-ID: <000501befbb0$b44e5180$f5eeb5cf@lloopoo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <003e01befb79$279bf760$cfb854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"j6kfs2.0.Cq2.UtJst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Butt loopers to depraved answering machines, it's all right here, folks. I love it. Mark, you've reminded me of something I've been meaning to post to the list, a cool and sick effect that not everyone might have discovered. It's the only reason I haven't kicked my answering machine's sorry little backside out the door. On my box (Lucent Technologies), the obnoxious pre-recorded date/time headless talker will do a great stutter. (Where *do* they get these voices?) Anyway, here's how, according to the functions on my machine: Crank up the volume. Then hit the "change" button (it's the general change program function switch). Next hit "clock", or whatever will access date/time settings. The Voice comes up with the day of the week. Keep scrolling through the menu by hitting change/clock and you successively get the hour and minutes. Whenever you're within one function, i.e. minutes, fast-tapping "skip" enables a rapid scroll to the correct number. So here's the kicker: IMHO, the best stutter is when the Voice is moving through the high minutes, 20's through 50's -- timing of the "skip" tap is everything, try different tempos. My favorite number is zero: the dude says "oh oh oh oh oh..." (as in twelve oh-one, twelve oh-two, etc.) This is hilarious! (I need to get a life, huh?) Re the fundamental problem of sucking sound quality: how about some of you hardware geniuses rigging your mini-disc player as a message machine? Bottle that, retire next year. Another chick on the list, Laurie > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kata [mailto:MKata@Wintegrity.com] > Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 3:42 AM > To: Loopers Delight > Subject: Digital Answering Machine > > > I recently bought a new answering machine that records messages with very > poor sound quality. It seems to have a noise gate that cuts off > words that > aren't spoken loudly enough. Needless to say, I replaced it with a better > model. > > Is there some way that I can use the digital recording mechanism as a > looper in my guitar rig? > > Mark Kata > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 13:47:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18356; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:47:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:47:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: Phil Petrocelli To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: NYC-area loop performances? Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:30:37 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"c2zHv.0.9Z3.w1Kst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Can you send a URL to the list? I am going to be in NYC in Oct and Nov, and would definitely make it out to a show. Phil -----Original Message----- From: Tom Ritchford [mailto:tom@swirly.com] Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 9:15 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: NYC-area loop performances? just a note. I run a calendar list called the Extreme NY Music and Arts Calendar. So if any of you are doing loopy performances in the NYC area, just drop me a line directly... I do read this list pretty thoroughly but I have been known to miss a spot! /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 14:49:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00562; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:49:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:49:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199909101235.IAA07309@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:27:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #363 Resent-Message-ID: <"rfkaM2.0.wr6.dsKst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com re the gear setup picture idea: At 6:42 AM -0700 9/10/99, Michael Tuminello wrote: >Can someone give me this URL? I'd like to check it our and see if it's the >kind of thing that might interest me. If it's not over my head, I might be >willing to volunteer to do this. I can even host, if Kim's running low on >space... > plenty of space, just not much time. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 15:21:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08052; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:21:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:21:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37D9527A.6E5CAB35@acrylnimbus.de> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:48:31 +0200 From: Tobias Schmitt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,de-DE MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nada@acrylnimbus.de Subject: Inviting the Europeans Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RXRRT2.0.b7.CALst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Uncharming Europe has started: The purpose of "Uncharming Europe" is to establish a platform where artists, promoters, labels, radio people and whoever is active in Europe can interface. The focus should be "experimental" music. Info: http://www.onelist.com/community/uncharming_europe Subscribe: mailto:uncharming_europe-subscribe@onelist.com Please forward this info to everyone who could be interested. Sorry for crossposting, but it made sense. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 16:15:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20988; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:15:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:15:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: "Banyan, Ernest" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: ACID >>>>>> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:48:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"6HloK2.0.tX3.63Mst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Looper's I'm new to this group as I have just got hook on ACID ... My Question is, has anyone actually used ACID in live performances ? BTW Generator Rocks ........ Ernest Banyan:SYSOPS WebMD http://www.webmd.net ``Happiness is a mental state, which is virtually impossible to know. If you can't ever really know how happy another person is, how can you be so certain about an animal?'' From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 16:47:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29661; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:47:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:47:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37D94DAB.360CD59D@toddreynolds.com> References: <027b01befb9e$c27c1970$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> <37D94DAB.360CD59D@toddreynolds.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:37:36 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: NYC-area loop performances? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"_fG-J.0.-d6.ulMst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Todd Reynolds here. You probably haven't heard my name before, but i am >violinist with Steve Reich Then I've almost certainly seen you play and have CDs with your work on it! Great stuff. >was with John Cale, worked as a sideman with >others you probably do know. probably I don't know them well as Reich, I've studied his work very closely. >I'm starting up a number of my own >projects, some of which are indeed loopy based. please let me know more >information about what is appropriate for your listings.... or where to >see your publication... http://www.topica.com/perl/read.pl?list=10000825 has the list. you can subscribe from there too I believe. it's an email calendar list. any sort of music or art that can be interpreted as "extreme" counts. send me your items, or if you subscribe you can send them right to the list (though I moderate to prevent Spam). /t btw, given what you like you might like this piece of mine http://www.slack.net/~tom/FarAway.mp3 though it isn't loopy and it isn't Reich either... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 17:31:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07352; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:31:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:31:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37D97638.3753@dmans.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:20:56 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: boomerang review. References: <000901befa45$dac23280$c26fc8d0@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ykwwP2.0.Ks.9INst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I got my new boomerang in.. The manual which is only online said... Hey, we're not that cheap! We just messed up and didn't get a manual in your box. We (intend to) include a manual with each Rang. > Final thoughts .....money value-B.........ease of > use-A++++++........sound..C+............ > If you never use this thing on stage it is still worth the money just for > the practice you get playing with a background track and working out tunes > in your head. Thanks for the honest words & feedback. > Any word on any upgrades.............sound quality would help???????? It's coming soon. I will scream and holler when it's ready. And yes, the sample rate will be increased. -- Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-343-1038, Fax Dallas, TX 75354-1595 mnelson@dmans.com, email http://www.boomerangmusic.com "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 17:37:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08612; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:37:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:37:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <6357e013.250ad0a0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:22:40 EDT Subject: Re: Re: The GT-5 is a looper? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 85 Resent-Message-ID: <"KwGtB.0.YP1.DRNst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Quite so...plus there is a neat wrinkle, re: the GT-5's short delay--set up a preset with max delay time, with feedback at 100% or nearly, and a mod effect placed after the delay block. Copy this to each position in a 5-patch bank, then switch each mod effect to a different process. Now, you can switch from preset to preset with the delay line full and looping, and the delay spill-over will send the same loop thru each mod process...of course, if you place an outside mono looper (headrush, for example) in the physical loop, you could do the same thing with longer delay times. dpc <> Subject: The GT-5 is a looper? > I was looking for new ways to process my v-drums and tablas, when I ran > across the GT-5. While looking at the list-o-effects it included Loop, does > anyone have more information on this?>> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 17:41:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09654; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:41:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:41:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990910210358.42054.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [132.161.27.24] From: "David Harrington" To: Subject: ACID Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:55:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01BEFBA4.F226F400" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"R_2zJ1.0.rI.b9Nst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BEFBA4.F226F400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Listen, I'm really desperate. My computer had a virus and I had to = reload everything and I lost my serial number for ACID. now, I'm trying = to find people who might have the program in hopes that I can find the = serial #. Can you help, or do you know someone who can? -David ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BEFBA4.F226F400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Listen, I'm really desperate. My = computer had a=20 virus and I had to reload everything and I lost my serial number for = ACID. now,=20 I'm trying to find people who might have the program in hopes that I can = find=20 the serial #. Can you help, or do you know someone who can?
-David
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BEFBA4.F226F400-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 17:52:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12491; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:52:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:52:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990910143727.01407b60@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:37:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Subject: Re: ACID In-Reply-To: <19990910210358.42054.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"sj34q1.0.6-1.zaNst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Why not send mail to Sonic Foundry customer support? At 03:55 PM 9/10/99 -0500, "David Harrington" < wrote: >>>> ArialListen, I'm really desperate. My computer had a virus and I had to reload everything and I lost my serial number for ACID. now, I'm trying to find people who might have the program in hopes that I can find the serial #. Can you help, or do you know someone who can? -David <<<<<<<< From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 17:58:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14427; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:58:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:58:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004701befbd5$868324e0$2296adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: Digital Answering Machine; slightly OFF-TOPIC Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:43:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"SDckB2.0.SP2.eiNst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hatch: I thought you were DEAD . . . nice to know your still here--I've been spending way too much time playing with stompboxes and not nearly enough time didging hope all is well :) BTW for the LIST-- warms my heart to hear this talk of found looping devices wait to purchase that expensive rack module until you've thoroughly exhausted the possibilities inherent in the Texas Instruments Speak and #### educational toys (using a jumper wire to short and trigger the PC traces)--have the minidisc plugged in and ready--the results are unpredictable and rarely reproducible Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net -----Original Message----- From: lahatch To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, September 10, 1999 12:37 PM Subject: Re: Digital Answering Machine >Butt loopers to depraved answering machines, it's all right here, folks. I >love it. > >Mark, you've reminded me of something I've been meaning to post to the list, >a cool and sick effect that not everyone might have discovered> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 18:10:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17215; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:10:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:10:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282D4E4@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'mnelson@dmans.com'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: boomerang review. Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:57:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"ja3eM3.0.ON3.oxNst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, Man, people knock the sound of the boomerang. for me, the sound quality is really good. I think the way you set it up makes all the difference though. For me, I run a line in to it (not direct guitar in), I set the switch in the back of the boom to line (as opposed to mic or instrument), then I keep the trim knob down until i get a solid signal with no distortion. I keep it low and rely on the power amp to provide the volume. This keeps the noise volume to a minnimum. When you boost the line level, you get a bunch of noise, keeping it low avoids this. My regular tube amps are on a volume of 3, and the amp for the boomerang (solid state with one 12ax7 tube) runs at about volume:6. It works really well. I also run the boomerang into a bass cabinet with 2x10's and a horn. Why ? Because the boomerang has kind of shrill high end and I run a line in with tube sound (balanced line in), also I can use the 1/2 speed to get some really nice low tones. Also try getting a cheap chorus and run it in stereo. Very cool in stereo. But I'm clumsy with my feet so I use a volume pedal to fade it in and out.Also, I only use the pass thru (original signal) switch as an effect, usually just the boom signal into that cab. I rate the boom like this: Final thoughts .....money value:B-.........ease of > use:A++........sound:b+.(with some work).......... Denis Denis taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 18:25:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20949; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:25:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:25:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001301befbda$89ab4da0$526fc8d0@computer> From: "postaldave" To: "Loopers" , Subject: Re: boomerang review. Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:19:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"jH2vB.0.Qr4.IHOst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "It's coming soon. I will scream and holler when it's ready. And yes, the sample rate will be increased." --boomerang rep will this be a new model or is this something I could have upgraded. I think your peddle is by far the coolest effect tool I have ever used. Once the sound quality is up to a level that can reproduce Hi-fi samples I am very sure it will be the next hottest thing since the dunlop crybaby and will be as much a standard as a chorus peddle. postaldave@qx.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 18:28:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21250; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:28:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:28:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <015201befbda$cd62d040$2296adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: Paint Me a Picture Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:21:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Rzu-M2.0.ko4.3GOst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ditto==love to see this on the site for those of us who CANNOT effortlessly cobble our toys together drone on~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net -----Original Message---- From: David Myers To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 8:37 PM Subject: Paint Me a Picture >Dpcoffin's Illustrator gear block diagram is an example of one of the >things I love about this endeavor. I use Illustrator myself, but I suppose >it's overkill for those who aren't graphics professionals. > >I think a terrific addition to the Looper's Delight site would be a >collection of just such diagrams; looping flowcharts are at least as >pertinent to loop technique as any details about loop devices themselves, >IMO. What do you think, Kim? SNIP From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 18:12:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17519; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:12:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:12:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:04:26 EDT Subject: Show and tell To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_e1259f67.250ada6a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"MED5E.0.Fv3.N2Ost"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --part1_e1259f67.250ada6a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmmmm. If the attatched JPEG makes it through everybody's various ISPs. For what it's worth, here's mine (as it exists for the moment). A little convoluted but probaby no more so than most of you folks. Some funky old pieces too (that I'd just as soon relpace if I had the $$$). On the top of my wish list is a good ring-modulator (any one say Moogerfooger?). That and a few more EV-5s... Questions? Comments? Suggestions? Obligatory yawns? 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Resent-Message-ID: <"k0jW2.0.cK4.cAOst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >DJRND2 : > > > >Homemade prototypes based upon an alien kind of BPM looping method, very > >efficient for DJs > > > >686 Euros (around US$700) + shipping > > > >I also use it on my own at home or on live like yesterday night > > $700! That's about the same price as a new Echoplex! > (as we know, old Echoplexes run about $3K). > > gee, you'd think it might be a nice thing to have instead > of the promised new 'plexes. > I do not know much about new 'plexes, but I think EDP and DJRND2 are a bit far away each others I would say EDP is MIDI/tap-based looping, DJRND2 is a kind of BPM autolooping that continuously spins in a given pitch consequent upon the tempo (non-destructive change) EDP is more for live musicians and DJRND2 for freehands such as singers and DJs EDP makes multiply/overdubbed footswithed loops, DJRND2 some kind of BPM gearwheels EDP is more like an improved tap-looping machine, DJRND2 a cyclic multitrack BPM recorder EDP is rackmounted with footswithes and MIDI, DJRND2 a portable stand-alone sampling keyboard ... > if perhaps you could post a signal path diagram or > a text description or something to the list... it > might be very very interesting... > > /t > See Kim's at http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/tools.html and mine at http://web.club-internet.fr/perille There are now two possible DJRND2 versions : DJs' version (VER53): 14 stereo loops with an automatic bar sync - 3 16-bar loops - 1 4-bar loops - 8 8-bar loops - 2 2-bar loops total rec time = between 1 and 2 minutes polyphony = 28 tracks (2*14 strereo) Singers' version (VER537ms): 7mono/7stereo loops with an automatic metronome - 2 32-bar mono loops - 1 16-bar stereo loop - 4 16-bar mono loops - 4 8-bar stereo loops - 1 8-bar mono loop - 1 4-bar stereo loop - 1 2-bar stereo loop total rec time = around 2 minutes polyphony = 21 tracks (2*7 stereo + 7 mono) Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 18:48:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26346; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:48:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:48:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'KILLINFO@aol.com'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Show and tell Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:34:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"jfVWV1.0.ev5.SYOst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Good lord! What a set-up you have! I'm not envious of carrying it all around though! dk -----Original Message----- From: KILLINFO@aol.com [mailto:KILLINFO@aol.com] Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 6:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Show and tell Hmmmm. If the attatched JPEG makes it through everybody's various ISPs. For what it's worth, here's mine (as it exists for the moment). A little convoluted but probaby no more so than most of you folks. Some funky old pieces too (that I'd just as soon relpace if I had the $$$). On the top of my wish list is a good ring-modulator (any one say Moogerfooger?). That and a few more EV-5s... Questions? Comments? Suggestions? Obligatory yawns? Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 18:57:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28634; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:57:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:57:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001b01befbdc$abf09440$526fc8d0@computer> From: "postaldave" To: Subject: Re: boomerang review. Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:34:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"LGlBZ.0.qn5.dVOst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Man, people knock the sound of the boomerang. for me, the sound quality is really good. I think the way you set it up makes all the difference though. For me, I run a line in to it (not direct guitar in" I didn't mean to sound so down on the product. the first time I used it I put an acoustic through a keyboard amp. this hi fi set up yielded a very muddy sound. after that I ran my strat through a guitar amp and every thing was fine. The point I was trying to make is that this is a really cool device as long as you are doing low-fi sampling. the guys at boomerang say that the next model or upgrade will be out sometime in the near future with a better sound. If this comes to pass I don't think any other sampler could come close to this device. have you done the backwards sole loop thing. this only makes it soooooo cool. postaldave@qx.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 19:11:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA32196; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:11:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:11:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: Hoover Alan To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Show and tell Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:02:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"qDDpR1.0.nH7.MuOst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, Ted- Thanks for the Sustainiac credit! Do you still work for Musicians Friend? Can you tell me who runs it? There was a man and his wife from there at NAMM, who visited my Sustainiac booth, and I think they might be the people who run it, but I can't remember his name. I am leaving the office now, and won't get your reply until Monday. Thanks Alan -----Original Message----- From: KILLINFO@aol.com [mailto:KILLINFO@aol.com] Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 5:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Show and tell Hmmmm. If the attatched JPEG makes it through everybody's various ISPs. For what it's worth, here's mine (as it exists for the moment). A little convoluted but probaby no more so than most of you folks. Some funky old pieces too (that I'd just as soon relpace if I had the $$$). On the top of my wish list is a good ring-modulator (any one say Moogerfooger?). That and a few more EV-5s... Questions? Comments? Suggestions? Obligatory yawns? Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 19:31:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04409; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:31:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:31:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: Hoover Alan To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Show and tell Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:05:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"90_Aw.0.-Z7.zxOst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry Loopers, I really meant to send my last message privately to Ted. I sometimes stumble on the automatic "return to Loopers" feature. -----Original Message----- From: KILLINFO@aol.com [mailto:KILLINFO@aol.com] Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 5:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Show and tell Hmmmm. If the attatched JPEG makes it through everybody's various ISPs. For what it's worth, here's mine (as it exists for the moment). A little convoluted but probaby no more so than most of you folks. Some funky old pieces too (that I'd just as soon relpace if I had the $$$). On the top of my wish list is a good ring-modulator (any one say Moogerfooger?). That and a few more EV-5s... Questions? Comments? Suggestions? Obligatory yawns? Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 10 22:41:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09743; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:41:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:41:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909110223.WAA32366@smtp6.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:28:51 -0400 Subject: From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ArMk42.0.SQ1.nqRst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey kids i have a tech question for ya all.. my setup consists of 2 efxs processors 3 microphones a few pedals some key boards a 1402 and my behringer compressor. can anyone give me a hint on how to set this up in a proper fashion so as to achieve maxium sound quality. ah jeah by the way i am recording live to dat or straight to 4 track marantz.my live setup is exactly like my home setup i just gotta make sure i have no mic feedback when i play live hence the compressors. thanks alot c.white > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 11 02:08:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22736; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:08:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:08:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: MDMwoof@aol.com Message-ID: <27617b69.250b4886@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:54:14 EDT Subject: Oberheim EDP lookalikes? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.7 for Mac sub 3 Resent-Message-ID: <"l8rr.0.ro4.ExUst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well I'm another guy in line for this wonderful contraption and I'm trying to be patient, but got to thinking maybe one of you may know if there exists another looper that does what I need it to do. Namely, 1) Live performance guitar looping of at least 60 sec. 2) Drum machine sync (MIDI clock) 3) Storage and on-the-fly, foot-selection of several loops. 4) Priced under $1,000 Can anybody help? Thanks- Tim (mdmwoof@aol.com) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 11 02:11:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23019; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:11:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:11:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37D9EF4B.1EBC@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:57:32 -0700 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Looping with Tablas and Urdo References: <000001befb7a$fd7f1aa0$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"htEih2.0.ek3.idUst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Bobdogs tabla player(psuedobuddha and X Evil Mother)Roland has defected to Ca. and I'm so pleased w/our initial recordings and the way my looped,effected,e-bowed etc. fretless sounds w/live Tabla that I'd like to make cassette copies for anyone on the list who wants one. If you like I'll also include a duet I did w/Michael Manring.(no looping) Thanks, just e-mail me off-list Scott Kungha Drengsen It needs updating but I'm at http://www.basscapes.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 11 02:32:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA27211; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:32:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:32:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:06:29 EDT Subject: Re: boomerang review. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"GAFRJ1.0.fN5.J6Vst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i remember reading , its not what you play with that really determines your sound but how you play (or compose)......is there truth to this?.........ive used and abused a rang for over two years and i find myself wondering, would my music be better if i used an edp or a jammie or a daw or a what-ever........i could play a kline thru a switchblade into a vortex into a jammie then into an edp and send it all thru my computer and im afraid i would still sound like me.........i really dont know what im geting at but im getting scared.........is there a ten step G.A.S. addiction program out there?.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 11 02:23:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25216; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:23:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:23:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: ACID Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:51:29 -0700 Message-ID: <000001befc19$b20f9460$9f83c8d8@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01BEFBDF.05B0BC60" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990910210358.42054.qmail@hotmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"OCu143.0.8Y4.jtUst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BEFBDF.05B0BC60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David, your serial number wasn't only in the software. It's in your documentation, in the box, somewhere. And if you had registered with Sonic Foundry, they'd have a record that you're the owner of that serial number. You'd be able to call them and they'd give it to you. Other than Sonic Foundry, who else did you give the serial number to? -----Original Message----- From: David Harrington [mailto:dharringt@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday 10 September 1999 1:56 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ACID Listen, I'm really desperate. My computer had a virus and I had to reload everything and I lost my serial number for ACID. now, I'm trying to find people who might have the program in hopes that I can find the serial #. Can you help, or do you know someone who can? -David ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BEFBDF.05B0BC60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
David, your serial number wasn't only in the=20 software.  It's in your documentation, in the box, somewhere.  = And if=20 you had registered with Sonic Foundry, they'd have a record that you're = the=20 owner of that serial number.  You'd be able to call them and they'd = give it=20 to you.  Other than Sonic Foundry, who else did you give the serial = number=20 to?

 -----Original=20 Message-----
From: David Harrington=20 [mailto:dharringt@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday 10 September 1999 = 1:56=20 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject:=20 ACID

Listen, I'm really desperate. My = computer had a=20 virus and I had to reload everything and I lost my serial number for = ACID.=20 now, I'm trying to find people who might have the program in hopes = that I can=20 find the serial #. Can you help, or do you know someone who = can?
-David
------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BEFBDF.05B0BC60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 11 03:35:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07027; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 03:35:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 03:35:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990911021009.007c7310@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: subversive@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:10:09 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod Subject: Re: boomerang review. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Y-Fej3.0.tV.U1Wst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Michael, I've always adhered to the tenet of: "Use what works for you." I'm a gear nut myself. You just have to deal with it as a musician! Better this than, let's say . . . heroin, eh? Take care, Jeff McLeod At 02:06 AM 9/11/1999 EDT, you wrote: >i remember reading , its not what you play with that really determines your >sound but how you play (or compose)......is there truth to this?.........ive >used and abused a rang for over two years and i find myself wondering, would >my music be better if i used an edp or a jammie or a daw or a >what-ever........i could play a kline thru a switchblade into a vortex into a >jammie then into an edp and send it all thru my computer and im afraid i >would still sound like me.........i really dont know what im geting at but im >getting scared.........is there a ten step G.A.S. addiction program out >there?.........michael > > __________________________________________ This is not here-- And now is almost over... http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 11 08:21:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22882; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:21:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:21:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990911081217.007a29e0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:12:17 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Digital Answering Machine; slightly OFF-TOPIC In-Reply-To: <001101befc2c$bbca23e0$90eeb5cf@lloopoo> References: <004701befbd5$868324e0$2296adce@satellite> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"8jKUv1.0.Rt4.EJast"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Some of you following this thread may enjoy this site: Check out the articles and the links; it may lead to something even more bizarre! Tim >> wait to purchase that expensive rack module until you've thoroughly >> exhausted the possibilities inherent in the Texas Instruments >> Speak and #### >> educational toys (using a jumper wire to short and trigger the PC >> traces)--have the minidisc plugged in and ready--the results are >> unpredictable and rarely reproducible From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 11 09:57:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA08085; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:57:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:57:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:46:28 EDT Subject: Re: Diagrams To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"nmy1X3.0.lQ1.Erbst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 9/10/99 10:06:16 AM, crash@waste.org writes: >Audio recording, mixing, mastering, sweetening. Say, Todd What are you using for your MAc audio processing...and howda ya like it? David From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 11 10:17:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12389; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:17:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:17:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990911140005.737.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.137.197] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: boomerang review. Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 07:00:04 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"QL4tB1.0.pD2.C2cst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yes, you are still you...if you you get a drunk asshole sober,you still have an asshole...if you are an inadequate musician no amount of looping or effects will hide that fact...at least you might not be an asshole..that's good...I think this may be to deep for this time of morning,I know it is for me...Om and Out >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: boomerang review. >Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:06:29 EDT > >i remember reading , its not what you play with that really determines your >sound but how you play (or compose)......is there truth to >this?.........ive >used and abused a rang for over two years and i find myself wondering, >would >my music be better if i used an edp or a jammie or a daw or a >what-ever........i could play a kline thru a switchblade into a vortex into >a >jammie then into an edp and send it all thru my computer and im afraid i >would still sound like me.........i really dont know what im geting at but >im >getting scared.........is there a ten step G.A.S. addiction program out >there?.........michael > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 11 10:19:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12665; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:19:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:19:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <2e336753.250bb9d6@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:57:42 EDT Subject: Re: Show and tell To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"OcnHo.0.t_1.00cst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks, Ted Your jpeg surprised me by coming thru aol unscathed ...looks great, and I'd love to hear it, too. got a tape/CD you sell or exchange? Also, how do you trigger the phrase sampler? I'd love more detail on how you use the GR-1 as a controller...is that thru MIDI note and velocity values coming from your playing, or just remapped foot switches? David From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 11 11:02:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21916; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:02:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:02:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990911145028.24640.rocketmail@web128.yahoomail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 07:50:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Jones Subject: Re: Paint Me a Picture To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"-BH2X2.0.fe4.Ymcst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, About three weeks ago I went to the trouble to draw most of my gear with Smart Draw. I’ve posted the file in smardraw, .jpg, and .pcx file formats as rack.zip here: http://members.xoom.com/ranjones/ Download and adapt if you like. You can cut up the jpg w/ a photo editing program. Smart Draw can be found at http://www.smartdraw.com/ I just guessed how to do this, as I had never seen it done before, and don’t have schematic experience. I was trying to get in on paper since I was spending so much time reconfiguring and/or trying to remember the last configuration. I haven’t started connecting the pieces on paper yet, but was going to put the pages on a cork board in my home studio and maybe run pieces of colored knitting thread between them with tacks, so I could look and change/or remember at a glance without getting behind the rack. Don’t bother asking me configuration questions, because I’m really green at this. By this time next week I will have forgotten how I did any of this. Randy Jones --- Tom Lambrecht wrote: > ditto==love to see this on the site for those > of us who CANNOT effortlessly > cobble our toys together > > drone on~~~~~~~~ > Tom Lambrecht > hideo@concentric.net > > > -----Original Message---- > From: David Myers > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Date: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 8:37 PM > Subject: Paint Me a Picture > > > >Dpcoffin's Illustrator gear block diagram is > an example of one of the > >things I love about this endeavor. I use > Illustrator myself, but I suppose > >it's overkill for those who aren't graphics > professionals. > > > >I think a terrific addition to the Looper's > Delight site would be a > >collection of just such diagrams; looping > flowcharts are at least as > >pertinent to loop technique as any details > about loop devices themselves, > >IMO. What do you think, Kim? SNIP > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 11 11:26:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26755; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:26:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:26:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990911111548.0095ef00@unix01.voicenet.com> X-Sender: floyd@unix01.voicenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:16:26 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: Paint Me a Picture In-Reply-To: <19990911145028.24640.rocketmail@web128.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"Rswf52.0.Dy5.Z6dst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 07:50 AM 9/11/99 -0700, Randy Jones wrote: > Hello, > >About three weeks ago I went to the trouble to >draw most of my gear with Smart Draw. I've posted >the file in smardraw, .jpg, and .pcx file formats >as rack.zip here: Thanks for posting them on a WEB site and not attaching files. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 11 11:58:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00568; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:58:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:58:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:41:52 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: RE: NYC-area loop performances? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"r9Snv3.0.vj7.Dedst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Phil Petrocelli >Can you send a URL to the list? I am going to be in NYC in Oct and Nov, and >would definitely make it out to a show. surely! actually, I think I (mis)posted this here already... http://www.topica.com/perl/read.pl?list=10000825 has the skinny. In fact, the most recent performance I saw from the list, Thursday night, had a performer with an Echoplex... though it might as well have been a "cloud delay" as far as I could see... /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 11 12:05:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02468; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:05:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:05:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199909110223.WAA32366@smtp6.mindspring.com> References: <199909110223.WAA32366@smtp6.mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:48:48 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"CgmSu3.0.Ik7.Fedst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >my setup consists of 2 efxs processors 3 microphones a few pedals some key >boards a 1402 and my behringer compressor. can anyone give me a hint on how >to set this up in a proper fashion so as to achieve maxium sound quality. gain structure! that's the most important thing. if a signal which is too hot (too loud) goes through one of your devices, it will overload the device and distort. However, the noise level of a device is usually signal-independent. So if the signal going through the device is too low then the noise will be (comparatively) louder. Thus, to get the best possible sound quality, the signal going through each part of the signal chain has to be as loud as possible without distortion at any time. I usually get this by turning the signal up at each point until it distorts and then backing off somewhat. Please remember that in live performance it seems inevitable that you will generate sounds much louder than you would have possibly anticipated... /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 11 16:26:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20868; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:26:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:26:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:05:11 EDT Subject: Re: Show and tell To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"gP-yR2.0.l54.bOhst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 9/10/99 6:25:56 PM, KILLINFO@aol.com writes: >That and a few more EV-5s... > AMS sells the Proel PVP 16L, which looks and behaves almost identically to an EV-5, for $30...I've stocked up. David From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 11 16:44:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24876; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:44:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:44:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37DAB797.6F38A0B1@best.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:12:09 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje Reply-To: ahoeltje@best.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: EPD and eBay... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CVmTd.0.aY4.3Whst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Since the only way to get an EPD these days is from eBay for $3,000 and since I can't afford that kind of extravagance, it looks like I have no choice but to trade one of my kidneys for an EDP. I'll put it up on eBay next week but thought I'd give Loopers Delight the first crack at it. No, that does not mean two EDPs for both kidneys. Too bad I don't have any children, I'd rather keep my kidney! :-) I am getting loopie not having a looping device!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 11 16:46:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25286; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:46:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:46:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990911202909.29997.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [199.179.175.30] From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ACID Lost Serial Number-Is This For Real ? Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:29:09 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"Qce7i3.0.lK5.ykhst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I had the same problem some months ago. If you REGISTERED the ACID product like you SHOULD had, Sonic Foundry will send you a replacement CD. But this sounds kinda fishy, since the REG# is external, and all you have to do is find your original documentation..... 'Cuz, what good is the REG# if you don't have the product ? >>Listen, I'm really desperate. My computer had a virus and I had to reload >>everything and I lost my serial number for ACID. now, I'm trying to find >>people who might have the program in hopes that I can find the serial #. >>Can you help, or do you know someone who can? >-David ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 11 17:17:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32153; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:17:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:17:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990911202909.29997.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <19990911202909.29997.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:08:50 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: ACID Lost Serial Number-Is This For Real ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"nDJmn1.0.5J7.9Jist"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com now, now, it's impolite to make such guesses no matter how reasonable. I personally am very good at paying for software but bad at keeping all those little bits of paper and things. So far customer support of all these companies have hooked me up every time that there's been a problem... /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 12 00:41:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25219; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:41:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:41:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990912042458.94812.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [136.186.1.114] From: "Stig Moth" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Steve Reich question Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:24:57 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"l0cEg.0.g25.5jost"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi to everyone, I have just joined this list and hope that someone here may be able to help me with a query. I have heard much about Steve Reich and have been told on a couple of occasions that I would like his music, however on visiting a music store I was confronted with about twenty different albums/imports and have no idea where to start. Could someone recommend a good first choice as an intro duction to Steve Reich's music? Much appreciated, Sophie. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 12 01:08:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31303; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 01:08:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 01:08:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <921cdca0.250c8cfd@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:58:37 EDT Subject: Re: Steve Reich question To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"U5Gax3.0.T77.dCpst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com drumming is good for a first rodrigo In a message dated 9/12/99 12:40:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, stigmoth@hotmail.com writes: << however on visiting a music store I was confronted with about twenty different albums/imports and have no idea where to start. Could someone recommend a good first choice as an intro duction to Steve Reich's music? >> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 12 01:12:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31771; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 01:12:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 01:12:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <02ef01befcda$ef35c0a0$2296adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: Steve Reich question Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 23:54:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"UvPpi2.0.6r6.q6pst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Music for 18 Musicians" is as good a place to start (and start . . . and start . .. and start) just reissued by Nonesuch drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net -----Original Message----- From: Stig Moth To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Saturday, September 11, 1999 11:44 PM Subject: Steve Reich question >hi to everyone, > > I have just joined this list and hope that someone here >may be able to help me with a query. I have heard much about Steve Reich >and have been told on a couple of occasions that I would like his music, >however on visiting a music store I was confronted with about twenty >different albums/imports and have no idea where to start. Could someone >recommend a good first choice as an intro duction to Steve Reich's music? > >Much appreciated, > > >Sophie. > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 12 02:22:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16420; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 02:22:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 02:22:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007e01befce7$33906aa0$3f5bdfc8@doutor> From: "Julio Moreno" To: Subject: Crac! on mp3 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 03:22:15 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"Zq-_I1.0.RP3.YHqst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear loopers: mp3 from my band at ftp://ftp.bahianet.com.br/incoming/.Crack!/ ( please, include the last two caracters). I recomend the track 2 with background loops and the backing track (guit, bass and drum) played live in studio. Track 3 presents microtonal work played in plastic didgeridoos , looped and procesed percusion (recorded live) and guitars recorded,procesed, edited and re-amped in studio. Track 1 its a good example of matematic and music and the lyric say in portuguese in a very ironic way something like: "You can sleep without drink from long time ago, ha ha ha'' Sorry about my poor english and enjoy it. Next week , the last 7 songs. Good health! Julio From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 12 03:03:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA27884; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 03:03:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 03:03:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002901befcec$ef7a3e80$595bdfc8@doutor> From: "Julio Moreno" To: Subject: Fw: Crac! on mp3 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 04:03:36 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"XZBC12.0.gA6._tqst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry... the correct it's : ''you can't sleep...'' > Dear loopers: mp3 from my band at > ftp://ftp.bahianet.com.br/incoming/.Crack!/ ( please, include the last two > caracters). I recomend the track 2 with background loops and the backing > track (guit, bass and drum) played live in studio. Track 3 presents > microtonal work played in plastic didgeridoos , looped and procesed > percusion (recorded live) and guitars recorded,procesed, edited and re-amped > in studio. Track 1 its a good example of matematic and music and the lyric > say in portuguese in a very ironic way something like: "You can sleep > without drink from long time ago, ha ha ha'' Sorry about my poor english and > enjoy it. Next week , the last 7 songs. Good health! > Julio > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 12 03:28:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA32302; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 03:28:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 03:28:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37DB5295.20AA3E39@dial.pipex.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 08:13:25 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:Digital copycat References: <199909120514.BAA32678@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Wgiim2.0.eG7.l8rst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi All, I know there are some computer loopers out there. Just thought you'd like to know that there's a new VST plugin that imitates the old WEM copycats in many respects. You can download it from the Steinberg site and it's FREE. It's called "Karlette". Basically you have 4 delays each with independant dealy time, panning feedback and damping (so that subsequent echoes lose top). The delay only goes up to 2 seconds but since its in software you could run as many as you like in series. Now here's a funny thing. I already have lots of delay plugins from 1 to 60 seconds and I play with these a lot. I first started looping on a WEM Copycat (i'm assuming people know what this is here). Since messing about with this new plugin I seem to be getting more sucessful loops than before. My theory is that the interface is at least as important to the musician as the absolute power of the device itself. Reinforcing the "whatever suits you idea". Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 12 09:25:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27333; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 09:25:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 09:25:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37DBB74C.F1B2C8AF@toddreynolds.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 09:23:15 -0500 From: Todd Reynolds X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Steve Reich question References: <19990912042458.94812.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zb01o.0.iJ6.oVwst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com stig moth, yes, i think you'll dig reich. i'm a violinist in his band for 10 years now, and there is lot's of interesting stuff to explore. I would suggest the following... 1. An Internet Search (just to find out a bit about the progression of his work) 2. Nonesuch just released a HUGE cd collection of all his current work 3 And last but not least, here is the list of the order of his major compositions.... in chronological order. You'll notice he started out with tape pieces, then phasing instrumental pieces, and then moved on to ensemble works. enjoy, hope this helps, please let us (on the list) know if you have any other questions. perhaps someone else will respond as well... 4. if you have to start with only one cd, i'd recommend the different trains/electric counterpoint cd with the kronos quartet/pat metheny. other wise i'd recommend starting at the beginning. it's worth it to see the progression. And as the very important composer that he is, I think a good collection of work in hand is a wise educational tool for all of us..l. best, todd reynolds List.............. it's gonna rain come out piano phase four organs drumming clapping music six marimbas Music for mallet instruments, voices and organ music for 18 musicians eight lines (octet) tehillim The Desert Music Sextet New York Counterpoint three movements four sections electric counterpoint different trains the cave nagoya marimbas city life proverb Stig Moth wrote: > hi to everyone, > > I have just joined this list and hope that someone here > may be able to help me with a query. I have heard much about Steve Reich > and have been told on a couple of occasions that I would like his music, > however on visiting a music store I was confronted with about twenty > different albums/imports and have no idea where to start. Could someone > recommend a good first choice as an intro duction to Steve Reich's music? > > Much appreciated, > > Sophie. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Todd Reynolds "paint as you like, and die happy" - henry miller 500B Grand St. 11G New York, NY 10002 212 475-8559 phone 917 861-1755 cell, pager, et al. todd@toddreynolds.com http://www.toddreynolds.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 12 09:46:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA30958; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 09:46:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 09:46:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37DBBBBA.A81FD659@toddreynolds.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 09:42:14 -0500 From: Todd Reynolds X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Steve Reich question References: <19990912042458.94812.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NZDQx2.0.AH7.Ynwst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com also, you should know that Steve is working on a new piece with his wife, Beryl Korot, the same video artist who did The Cave with him. the new piece is due in 2003(?) and is called Three Tales. It will be about an hour and a half long and consists of three separate pieces. The Hindenburg Bikini Beach Dolly We recorded the Hindenburg earlier this year and i believe it is out on that big collection i spoke about.... todd Stig Moth wrote: > hi to everyone, > > I have just joined this list and hope that someone here > may be able to help me with a query. I have heard much about Steve Reich > and have been told on a couple of occasions that I would like his music, > however on visiting a music store I was confronted with about twenty > different albums/imports and have no idea where to start. Could someone > recommend a good first choice as an intro duction to Steve Reich's music? > > Much appreciated, > > Sophie. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Todd Reynolds "paint as you like, and die happy" - henry miller 500B Grand St. 11G New York, NY 10002 212 475-8559 phone 917 861-1755 cell, pager, et al. todd@toddreynolds.com http://www.toddreynolds.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 12 10:25:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05533; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:25:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:25:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:14:50 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Show and tell Resent-Message-ID: <"dIy803.0.Tu.CLxst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think what has happened so far shows the real need for a diagram page on Looper's Delight. Ted Killian did a nice diagram but probably not everyone wanted to have it downloaded with their mail (and I was wondering where the looping was happening, Ted?), while Randy Jones avoided this by using his website, but his diagram still requires download time, and since I'm a Mac user I can't do anything with zip files! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 12 10:53:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11197; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:53:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:53:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37DBC8A1.D2F7CB9B@toddreynolds.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:37:30 -0500 From: Todd Reynolds X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Show and tell References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BvDak3.0.2e1.Ibxst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com David Myers wrote: <> n ot true, david. i undo them all the time with stuffit deluxe! or am i misunderstanding you? but i agree with your statement about diagrams! todd > I think what has happened so far shows the real need for a diagram page on > Looper's Delight. Ted Killian did a nice diagram but probably not everyone > wanted to have it downloaded with their mail (and I was wondering where the > looping was happening, Ted?), while Randy Jones avoided this by using his > website, but his diagram still requires download time, and << -- Todd Reynolds "paint as you like, and die happy" - henry miller 500B Grand St. 11G New York, NY 10002 212 475-8559 phone 917 861-1755 cell, pager, et al. todd@toddreynolds.com http://www.toddreynolds.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 12 12:16:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27107; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:16:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:16:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990912042458.94812.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <19990912042458.94812.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:20:39 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Steve Reich question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"KhMov.0.cx3.wJyst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com stig wrote: > I have just joined this list and hope that someone >here may be able to help me with a query. I have heard much about >Steve Reich and have been told on a couple of occasions that I would >like his music, however on visiting a music store I was confronted >with about twenty different albums/imports and have no idea where to >start. Could someone recommend a good first choice as an intro >duction to Steve Reich's music? I know this has been beaten to death already. However, of all Reich's pieces, Drumming is the most indicative of Reich's style and technique and it's also IMHO the most exciting. Get the two volume DGG recording. True, it has the annoying disk change but the recording is much better I believe and you also get two other splendid pieces with it. /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 12 12:32:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30135; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:32:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:32:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990912154306.71727.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [129.130.231.55] From: "Zach Lawrence" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Steve Reich question Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 08:43:06 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"tbq2C.0.tw4.neyst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sophie - i think that everyone will tell you that Drumming is his best piece, but i got my start listening to Four Organs, which is really good, and Music for 18 Musicians, my version having "Phase" on it, which i think that you'll really enjoy if you like loop music. Zach:) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 12 13:27:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08917; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:27:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:27:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990912042458.94812.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 08:59:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: Steve Reich question Resent-Message-ID: <"Bzvnd3.0.Jw5.hvyst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I second the recommendations for Music for 18 Musicians and Drumming and also recommend Music for Mallet Instruments. Great stuff! >hi to everyone, > > I have just joined this list and hope that someone here >may be able to help me with a query. I have heard much about Steve Reich >and have been told on a couple of occasions that I would like his music, >however on visiting a music store I was confronted with about twenty >different albums/imports and have no idea where to start. Could someone >recommend a good first choice as an intro duction to Steve Reich's music? > >Much appreciated, > > >Sophie. > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 12 14:16:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19294; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:16:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:16:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <8daad02e.250d37e4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:07:48 EDT Subject: Re: Show and tell To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"wd3F7.0.KD1.Fuzst"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi All, In a message dated 9/12/99 6:25:36 AM, dmgraph@pulsewidth.com writes: >>Ted Killian did a nice diagram but probably not everyone >>wanted to have it downloaded with their mail... Sorry. My sincere apologies to all. I wasn't really thinking was I? I've had a little extra time on my hands lately and figured that since it was only a 110k JPEG it wouldn't be a significant problem for folks. >>(and I was wondering where the looping was happening, Ted?), Is your question technical or geographical? If technical then it's the two Oberheim EDPs shown in the diagram (mostly) and to a lesser degree, the Vortex. If you're refering to geography, I'm in Southern Oregon and play the odd gig in and around the towns of Ashland, Medford and Eugene. A few years back I was living in and playing around Southern Cal from L.A. to Santa Barbara. I moved up North for a job and lifestyle change and got somewhat stranded in the cultural "outback" so to speak. >>while Randy Jones avoided this by using his website, but his >>diagram still requires download time, and since I'm a Mac >>user I can't do anything with zip files! Sorry, I don't have a website quite yet. I have Cyberstudio and hope to have one up in a few months though. BTW--I'm a Mac person too (by trade a freelance professional graphics type to be exact). Try Stuffit Deluxe for unzipping those zip files. Best regards, TK From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 12 15:11:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30365; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:11:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:11:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Show and tell Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:36:06 -0700 Message-ID: <000001befd4d$ad02bee0$a483c8d8@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"uKO-A3.0.lf5.cA_st"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just what is this thing? | -----Original Message----- | From: Dpcoffin@aol.com [mailto:Dpcoffin@aol.com] | Sent: Saturday 11 September 1999 1:05 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: Show and tell | | | | In a message dated 9/10/99 6:25:56 PM, KILLINFO@aol.com writes: | | >That and a few more EV-5s... | > | AMS sells the Proel PVP 16L, which looks and behaves almost | identically to an | EV-5, for $30...I've stocked up. | David | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 12 15:58:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08251; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:58:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:58:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990912155119.007a5310@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:51:19 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Show and tell In-Reply-To: <000001befd4d$ad02bee0$a483c8d8@electra> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ReX4b3.0.zy.Z70tt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com a very affordable volume pedal. At 11:36 AM 9/12/99 -0700, you wrote: >Just what is this thing? (IRT the Proel PVP 16L) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 12 17:01:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22669; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:01:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:01:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <9cf29982.250d6be8@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:49:44 EDT Subject: Re: RE: Show and tell To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"wSc3t2.0.zy4.M81tt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 9/12/99 3:58:26 PM, tcn62@ici.net writes: >a very affordable volume pedal. > >At 11:36 AM 9/12/99 -0700, you wrote: >>Just what is this thing? (IRT the Proel PVP 16L) > Actually, the 16L is a very affordable EXPRESSION pedal; comes with a single cable attached with a tip/ring 1/4-in. plug on the end...goes into a Vortex's (or similar) pedal jack for parameter modulation, just like the EV-5, which is twice as much $$, without, so far as I can tell, being any more durable, smoother, or whatever. Proel also sells, for the same price ($29.95), a stereo volume pedal, the 14L, which has two in-jacks and two out-jacks, no cables included. Only problem is, it doesn't go all the way to total silence...Now WHY is it that so many vol. pedals fail this basic requirement--turning OFF the volume?? hmmmph! dpc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 12 17:20:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27279; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:20:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:20:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37DC16E6.FA16B11D@sfsu.edu> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:11:02 -0700 From: Matt Davignon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: e-mail is getting cancelled References: <3.0.1.32.19990826003150.007cc210@mail.dragonet.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"turjH2.0.Q36.OQ1tt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, my college e-mail address is getting cancelled. That means that I won't be able to subscribe to Looper's Delight for a while. I am still contactable at my hotmail account, mattdavignon@hotmail.com , but that account wouldn't be able to handle the mass amounts of mail generated by LD. I do plan to get a new ISP in the near future, and at that time I will resubscribe. It's been a pleasure being a part of this, and I'll see you all later. sincerely, matt davignon p.s. The "Source/Product" CD Project is still on. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 12 17:44:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32187; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:44:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:44:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37DC19C0.2669A7B5@sfsu.edu> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:23:12 -0700 From: Matt Davignon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: "Source/Product" CD project References: <3.0.1.32.19990826003150.007cc210@mail.dragonet.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9V2MU1.0.Ui6.db1tt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have to cancel my LD subscription for now due to this e-mail address being cancelled. This will be my last post to this page about "Source/Product" So far, I have 5 people signed on for this project. They are Ryan Novak, Andy Soto, Chris Cory, The Bran Flakes, and myself. We need about 7 more to get this project rolling. Here's a description of the project, in case anybody missed it: "SOURCE/PRODUCT" Every participant will send me a tape or CD with pieces of audio to be used as source material. Probably between 3-5 minutes per person. This will be fairly simple stuff. I'm currently working on mine, and it's mostly parts of old things I recorded only 1 or 2 tracks for. No polished, completed songs or anything. The sounds can be anything, just remember that people will be sampling/processing them. Make it interesting! (Please don't get me sued for copyright infringement.) I'll then compile a CD of everybody's "source" material and send it to everybody participating. If you sent me source material on tape then I'll send the tape back too. Then you make music using ONLY the material on the source CD. 5-6 minures per person this time. Send me the music on a tape with no noise reduction and I'll master it and send you the CD with everybody's "product". It will be a 2 CD set. Source is the first CD. To participate in this project, you'll need something to send me material twice (on tape or CD), and I'm estimating the final product will probably cost $8-10, that's the cost of the 2 CD's with postage, jewel case(s), and artwork. I have excellent noise reduction software on my computer. If we use high bias Maxell or TDK tapes with NO noise reduction, we’ll wind up with the nicest sounding product. If there's anybody else who's interested or wants more information, please contact my other e-mail address. mattdavignon@hotmail.com I'll be unsubscribing from Looper's Delight in a few minutes. It's been a pleasure being here. thanks, matt davignon From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 12 18:53:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13963; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:53:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:53:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37DC3B25.863101DD@toddreynolds.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:48:17 -0500 From: Todd Reynolds X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Steve Reich question References: <19990912042458.94812.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WuCAw3.0.Pk2.om2tt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com with all the acclaim about drumming and music for eighteen, i must interject and mention sextet to you all. This is the piece most requested in concert. we've been doing it steadily for 15 years or so in almost every concert. although it is in part an exciting visual piece (people move around alot), sonically and formally it is a masterpiece.... tc. Tom Ritchford wrote: > stig wrote: > > > I have just joined this list and hope that someone > >here may be able to help me with a query. I have heard much about > >Steve Reich and have been told on a couple of occasions that I would > >like his music, however on visiting a music store I was confronted > >with about twenty different albums/imports and have no idea where to > >start. Could someone recommend a good first choice as an intro > >duction to Steve Reich's music? > > I know this has been beaten to death already. However, of all Reich's pieces, > Drumming is the most indicative of Reich's style and technique and it's > also IMHO the most exciting. > > Get the two volume DGG recording. True, it has the annoying disk change > but the recording is much better I believe and you also get two other > splendid pieces with it. > > /t -- Todd Reynolds "paint as you like, and die happy" - henry miller 500B Grand St. 11G New York, NY 10002 212 475-8559 phone 917 861-1755 cell, pager, et al. todd@toddreynolds.com http://www.toddreynolds.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 12 20:02:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27498; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:02:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:02:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990912234747.5176.rocketmail@web103.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:47:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Jones Subject: Re: Steve Reich question To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"wkj5V1.0.fy5.Yk3tt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, I haven't heard a lot, but I very much like Different Trains (looped locomotives/voices) with the Kronos Quartet; always transports me to a different place. Randy Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 12 21:41:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17243; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:41:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:41:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dlangenes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:23:51 EDT Subject: Phasers To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"6UB3x3.0.mI3.S95tt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello all, I'm new to Looper's Delight. Wondering if anyone can recommend a phaser that doesn't "sound" like a phaser. Know what I mean? Some I have tried are too obvious- sounding, like, "ok, here's my phaser pedal everybody!" Are there any phaser-like pedals out there that are a little more tasteful, less-vintage sounding? Thanks in advance David From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 13 02:17:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15226; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:17:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:17:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005c01befda9$ef524840$c7c2aec7@default> From: "Alan Imberg" To: References: <19990912234747.5176.rocketmail@web103.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: Steve Reich question Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:36:27 -0700 Organization: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"gy9Mj1.0._w1.Fw8tt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Speaking of Reich and Kronos Quartet, I noticed in the Sunday paper that Kronos Quartet will be performing Steve Reich's Triple Quartet in San Francisco on Sept. 24th and 25th. As for recommendations regarding Reich's music, I have one non-recommendation: Steer clear of Reich Remixed. This contains interpetations and remixes of some of his work by contemporary DJ's and remixers. Its a good CD but it could create false impressions of Reich if its your 1st encounter to his music. ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Jones To: Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 4:47 PM Subject: Re: Steve Reich question > > Well, > > I haven't heard a lot, but I very much like > Different Trains (looped locomotives/voices) with > the Kronos Quartet; always transports me to a > different place. > > Randy Jones > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 13 02:29:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA17710; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:29:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:29:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: spat@visi.com Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990913062130.006986c0@pop.visi.com> X-Sender: spat@pop.visi.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:21:30 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: RE: Show and tell Resent-Message-ID: <"jmnCC3.0.U24.CX9tt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> >Actually, the 16L is a very affordable EXPRESSION pedal; comes with a single >cable attached with a tip/ring 1/4-in. plug on the end...goes into a Vortex's >(or similar) pedal jack for parameter modulation, just like the EV-5, which >is twice as much $$, without, so far as I can tell, being any more durable, >smoother, or whatever. Do they sell an expression pedal that'll work with the Zoom 2100? david myers: > On the foot controller issue, I posted a >question a couple of weeks back which no one responded to: will a Roland >EV-5 work with the 2100? The answer is no, not stock. I've found that the >pot in the EV-5 is 10K, and the resistance needed by the Zoom is probably >at least 50K. I've replaced the pot in my EV-5 (two of them, actually) >with a 100K from Radio Shack, and it's swell. Probably any footpedal will >do if you get the right pot into it. Wire one side of the pot to ground, >and the other lugs to ring and tip plug conductors (the two "signal" >conductors in your stereo cord). steve From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 13 03:41:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01577; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 03:41:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 03:41:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <384335433.937205790587.JavaMail.root@web11.mail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:56:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian Thomson, London UK" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: USB 1/4" Jack Interface? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 146.101.134.106 Resent-Message-ID: <"H1k7i.0.Un5.e0Att"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm sure I read someone asking about this recently? There are two such interfaces I'm aware of: Roland make the UA-100 which does exactly what was asked about - see http://www.edirol.com/usb/ There's also the Opcode SONICport, which uses mini-jacks - http://www.opcode.com/products/sonicport/ Both also have digital audio ports... Brian Thomson, London UK bnt@email.com ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 13 04:50:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA13811; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 04:50:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 04:50:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:17:38 -0900 (PDT) From: Stephen Parsick To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Why not make Echoplexes ourselves? X-Sender: parsisbm@mailhost.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id EAA08322 Resent-Message-ID: <"6-A9_2.0.G22.dFBtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, I have no idea whether this post is going to reach the list at all as I had some trouble with previous posts in the past (must have something to do with me return ID or so). Just a silly question, brought forward by someone who´s just pissed off with seeing Oberheim ignoring the wishes of thousands of musicians worldwide: Why don´t we go out and build Echoplexes ourselves? I mean, there can´t be too much mystery going on inside these modules, and the mere fact the some people managed to cook up something like the Paradise Loop Delay just goes to show that it is possible to design and built something like this yourself, once you´ve found someone technically skilled enough to do that job for you. This would also allow the designer to incorporate performance/MIDI/sync features into the machine that have never been possible before. So, who´s going to do that job (mail me privately, please, I´d like to have two units anyway)? Stephen Parsick From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 13 05:57:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA25349; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 05:57:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 05:57:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990913094140.1678.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.130.60] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Steve Reich question Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:41:39 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"X8hjX2.0.yY5.xRCtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I will be in S.F. the 24th and 25th. Do you have times for these gigs? Kronos Quartet does Steve Reich. >From: "Alan Imberg" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Re: Steve Reich question >Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:36:27 -0700 > >Speaking of Reich and Kronos Quartet, I noticed in the Sunday paper that >Kronos Quartet will be performing Steve Reich's Triple Quartet in San >Francisco on Sept. 24th and 25th. > >As for recommendations regarding Reich's music, I have one >non-recommendation: Steer clear of Reich Remixed. This contains >interpetations and remixes of some of his work by contemporary DJ's and >remixers. Its a good CD but it could create false impressions of Reich if >its your 1st encounter to his music. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Randy Jones >To: >Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 4:47 PM >Subject: Re: Steve Reich question > > > > > > Well, > > > > I haven't heard a lot, but I very much like > > Different Trains (looped locomotives/voices) with > > the Kronos Quartet; always transports me to a > > different place. > > > > Randy Jones > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 13 09:18:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31010; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:18:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:18:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990913125417.39214.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [136.186.1.114] From: "Stig Moth" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Steve Reich question Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:54:16 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"lO65U2.0.aF6.qGFtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi all, I'd just like to thank everyone who replied (so quickly!) to my Steve Reich query, in particular Todd for his chronological list of Reich's work. It has helped me a great deal and given me a much clearer view of where to start. Thanks again, Sophie. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 13 10:23:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13363; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:23:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:23:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37DD04C2.CCDE2EA7@node.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:05:55 -0400 From: James Keepnews Reply-To: keepnews@node.net Organization: * - node - * X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: USB 1/4" Jack Interface? References: <199909131017.GAA29189@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Aa50U3.0.F42.TJGtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Brian Thomson, London UK" wrote: > > > Subject: USB 1/4" Jack Interface? > Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:56:30 -0400 (EDT) > From: "Brian Thomson, London UK" > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > I'm sure I read someone asking about this recently? There are two such interfaces I'm aware of: > > Roland make the UA-100 which does exactly what was asked about - see http://www.edirol.com/usb/ > > There's also the Opcode SONICport, which uses mini-jacks - http://www.opcode.com/products/sonicport/ > > Both also have digital audio ports... > > Brian Thomson, London UK > bnt@email.com > ----------------------------------------------- > FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com Ha ha ha! Yeah, I made mention of such things as these in passing and with a greater emphasis, as usual, on mirth-making than sought-after objective correlatives; not to say hardware, for that. "USB-to-1/4"" seemed to me to be an adapter waiting to happen -- plus, at least at this early stage of the game, sort of comical, as in: "I just bring my Powerbook, my Big Muff, and fourteen Marshall heads powering thirteen 4x12 cabs (I'll send the flowchart) with me on the gig" -- and I guess the wait was not so long, for that. Just call me the boy who cried "USB"...this happens a lot, possibly too much. ----------------------------------------------------------------- ~ > --- James Keepnews --- < "Don't quote anybody, Sir!" (.-.) > -- Multimedia Yahoo -- < \ * -- Krishnamurti - > - keepnews@node.net - < ----------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 13 12:36:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30669; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:36:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:36:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:31:32 EDT Subject: panning question To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"21oby.0.l23.0aHtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com right now this is how i have things set up guitar, mic, keys---------> zoom 2100--------->digitech xp 300 (spacestation) ----------> -----------> marantz 4 trac (channel 2) alesis quadraverb 2 ----------> -----------> boomerang ----------> marantz (channel 1) this is what i use to get the original loops into the rang, i am using the marantz basically as a mixer........this allows me to hear the loop on channel 1 and any new input on channel 2 (using the thru/mute button on the rang).........now when i go to record this, i take the aux send of the rang and send that thru the xp 300--> Q2 --> marantz channel 2.......this way i get the original loop, un-effected in channel 1 and the effected loop on channel 2.........now my question is this, short of using the pan knobs on the marantz, is there anyway to get a more stereo feel to the mix (a bit more motion) so that the final mix is more dynamic.......i just thought of this........ as the second step: ---------> marantz----------------------------------> marantz channel 1 boomerang --------> marantz channel 2 aux send-----------> xp300------> Q2 --------> marantz channel 3 perhaps using the 2 lines out of the Q2 on the final mix, i might get a bit more movement of the final signal .........i never had these problems way back when i was doing peter, paul and mary covers.........thanks.........michael p.s. i know when i hit the send button on this e-mail all that i have written will become more convaluted than it already is.......:).......m From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 13 12:55:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03499; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:55:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:55:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <48619838.250e8304@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:40:36 EDT Subject: Re: panning question To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"o8T-53.0.0q7.yaItt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i was right.......reading my last post it came out way differently than i sent it.....seems that e-mail is compressed or changed when you send signal paths or diagrams.......sorry to waste your time..........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 13 13:36:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13154; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:36:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:36:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <025401befe0a$10eabd60$cfb854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> From: MKata@Wintegrity.com (Mark Kata) To: Subject: Zoom 2100 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:04:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"pgKuf2.0.od1.8zItt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Michael, I followed the recent thread on the Zoom 2100 in Loopers Delight with great interest, and have been thinking about buying one. What are its strong and weak points? Thanks, Mark Kata Shelby Township, Michigan From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 13 13:35:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13032; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:35:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:35:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37DBC8A1.D2F7CB9B@toddreynolds.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:58:01 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Show and tell Resent-Message-ID: <"gVb74.0.ny.UqItt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Finally added a few items to my website, including a diagram of the sort we've been speaking about. Until we get a diagram page on Looper's Delight, loopers may want to take a look there. Much simpler gear in this than others I've seen, but the idiosyncratic signal routings may be of interest. David Myers http://www.pulsewidth.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 13 14:23:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25005; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:23:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:23:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003601befe0e$cf780860$0422dacf@stepheng> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: panning question Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:38:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"DGU2i1.0.jJ3.1RJtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, I bought one of the 2100's at $99.99 - with a 5% off bit, after 2-3 day shipping, only $103! The setup this hopefully wondrous unit will be adjoining to is: Guitar/Mic/Keyboard ----> Mixer (aux to DigiTech 7.6 loop) Mixer ----> QuadraVerb+ ----> BSR EQ unit ---> PC in Suggestions? I have a feeling that I will be getting a new mixer before end-of-year... I could use a quieter AUX path, if not a second one! While we're at it, what's "phantom power"? Stephen Goodman * It's the free Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html From: > right now this is how i have things set up > > guitar, mic, keys---------> zoom 2100--------->digitech xp 300 (spacestation) > > ----------> -----------> marantz 4 trac (channel > 2) > alesis quadraverb 2 > ----------> -----------> boomerang ----------> > marantz (channel 1) > > this is what i use to get the original loops into the rang, i am using the > marantz basically as a mixer........this allows me to hear the loop on > channel 1 and any new input on channel 2 (using the thru/mute button on the > rang).........now when i go to record this, i take the aux send of the rang > and send that thru the xp 300--> Q2 --> > marantz channel 2.......this way i get the original loop, un-effected in > channel 1 and the effected loop on channel 2.........now my question is this, > short of using the pan knobs on the marantz, is there anyway to get a more > stereo feel to the mix (a bit more motion) so that the final mix is more > dynamic.......i just thought of this........ > as the second step: > ---------> marantz----------------------------------> > marantz channel 1 > boomerang --------> marantz > channel 2 > aux send-----------> xp300------> Q2 > ------- -> > marantz channel 3 > perhaps using the 2 lines out of the Q2 on the final mix, i might get a bit > more movement of the final signal .........i never had these problems way > back when i was doing peter, paul and mary > covers.........thanks.........michael > > p.s. i know when i hit the send button on this e-mail all that i have written > will become more convaluted than it already is.......:).......m > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 13 14:36:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28957; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:36:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:36:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990913172752.25674.qmail@www0c.netaddress.usa.net> Date: 13 Sep 99 10:27:52 PDT From: Dael Franke To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Hooray! I just found out that life IS good! X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.61) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id NAA18745 Resent-Message-ID: <"R6CD61.0.Mb4.8jJtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just got a looper! EEEEK I can't wait! Digitech 7.6 time machine for $138.00 on Ebay! I am jumping around and laughing. Okay, okay, I'll calm down. I actually have a reason to post this. Within the last couple of months, someone was asking about Smartmedia cards for a Boss SP202 Dr. Sample. Does anyone know where to find the damn things? Please E-mail me privately, let's not waste our fellow loopers time any more than I just did. Grin. Cube equal amounts of: fresh mangoes fresh ripe avocado fresh crisp pears into a bowl, squeeze fresh lime juice over top, toss and serve serves you right. Food for love on a hot summer night. Dael Tea Franke ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 13 15:58:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17264; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:58:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:58:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001501befe1f$415540a0$6c6ec8d0@computer> From: "postaldave" To: Subject: Re: Show and tell Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:36:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"X4ata.0.rt2.cALtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com So what happens when you feed back a reverb mod? how do you use it in music. do you need to play something through it first or will it just start feeding back? Finally added a few items to my website, including a diagram of the sort we've been speaking about. Until we get a diagram page on Looper's Delight, loopers may want to take a look there. Much simpler gear in this than others I've seen, but the idiosyncratic signal routings may be of interest. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 13 16:53:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30462; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:53:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:53:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001701befe27$ef01ba00$9616a5ce@stepheng> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: "Tom Lambrecht" , References: <012701befe1d$db376560$b798adce@satellite> Subject: Re: 2100 5 % offf ? Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:37:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"7yzvC1.0.Hh6.q4Mtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Musician's Friend (http://www.musiciansfriend.com) had it. I'd looked into this after the glowing referrals to the 2100, and saw it on the web page back then (I think about a month ago) after seeing the $149 price listed. I decided to figure out where such a unit would go in my composition methodology, no small consideration, and, in the meantime, I was sent their paper catalog, which sported the $99 price. I then looked up the listing online after getting back from a trip up the CA coast last week, and found that the web page's price now corresponded. Thus satisfied, I purchased the unit, and having previously logged in, (I think this is why, but who knows?) I got the 5% discount showing on the resultant receipt. Cool, huh? Stephen Goodman * It's the free Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html * ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Lambrecht To: Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 12:26 Subject: Re: 2100 5 % offf ? > Stephen: > > where's that sweet deal you quoted on the 2100? ;) > > thanks > Tom Lambrecht (from Loopers) > hideo@concentric.net > -----Original Message----- > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 13 17:13:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02803; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:13:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:13:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001501befe1f$415540a0$6c6ec8d0@computer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:59:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Show and tell Resent-Message-ID: <"m7GbS1.0.zo7.fNMtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That can be cool, giving you various kinds of metallic clouds. No, you don't necessarily need signal input. But look out, it can get nasty REAL fast. Perhaps better to have serious pre-delay involved, or other effects. I did an entire album with a Lex LXP-5 feeding back into itself.... >So what happens when you feed back a reverb mod? how do you use it in music. >do you need to play something through it first or will it just start feeding >back? > > > >Finally added a few items to my website, including a diagram of the sort >we've been speaking about. Until we get a diagram page on Looper's >Delight, loopers may want to take a look there. Much simpler gear in this >than others I've seen, but the idiosyncratic signal routings may be of >interest. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 13 17:48:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11942; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:48:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:48:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37DD2370.ACE43C92@texas.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:16:49 +0000 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Phantom Pwr(was:panning question) References: <003601befe0e$cf780860$0422dacf@stepheng> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ABI8q3.0.Po.GcMtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com phantom power is voltage sent from your mixer thru the mic cable to your condenser microphone so you won't have to use a battery. it would be cooler if was ghosts of famous dead people using their nether-powers to supply electricity to our electric guitars when all the power grids go down due to y2k, but it's not. too bad. bob > While we're at it, what's "phantom power"? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 13 18:05:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16007; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:05:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:05:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:19:49 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199909132119.XAA23936@mail.euroweb.hu> X-Sender: pop1678@mail.euroweb.hu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Adam Davidson (from HiTSPACE)" Subject: Re: Oberheim Now Distributed in US by Armadillo Resent-Message-ID: <"9Ft071.0.R51.KgMtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey guys, i am the hungarian representative of CLAVIA DMI AB, and i am saying this because i met with the CLAVIA distributors in Frankfurt this year on a dinner. There, i met the owner of Armadillo (represents Clavia in the USA), and he was a nice guy. At that time, he told me he distributes Oberheim in the states, still, he was not able to supply me Echolpex.(im sure he would have done that if he could) anyway, i dont think if they're interested in the Echoplex anymore. but let's hope the bests... adam >http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/1999/Oberheim-Armadillo.html > >Oberheim Now Distributed in US by > Armadillo > > September 10, 1999 - Armadillo Enterprises has announced that they are >now the new > distributors of the Oberheim product line in the United State. These >products are made > in Italy under the parent corporation "Viscount." Viscount has 35 >full-time engineers > that are managing to come up with some great new products for the >Oberheim line. > >The new products that will be out within the next 6 months are the OB12 and >the OB5. > >No mention of the you-know-what, and it isn't on the site... > >:-( > >MT > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 13 18:24:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20976; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:24:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:24:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00b301befe36$7cec42a0$8c5bdfc8@doutor> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: Subject: Re: Phasers Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:12:01 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"VeeP51.0.WL4.mRNtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hummm....try-experiment a GOOD flanger with four controls...MXR green for example...dificult question to answer...good luck! Julio ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 10:23 PM Subject: Phasers > Hello all, > > I'm new to Looper's Delight. Wondering if anyone can recommend a phaser that > doesn't "sound" like a phaser. Know what I mean? Some I have tried are too > obvious- sounding, like, "ok, here's my phaser pedal everybody!" Are there > any phaser-like pedals out there that are a little more tasteful, > less-vintage sounding? > > Thanks in advance > David > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 13 18:29:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22232; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:29:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:29:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <025401befe0a$10eabd60$cfb854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:40:32 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Zoom 2100 Resent-Message-ID: <"ALv052.0.NL2.XzMtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mark- I've communicated some of this privately, but may as well post for the looping community. No doubt the strongest point is the long-delay/looping capability, pretty unprecedented at the $99 price! But I use a second one for the effects alone. They are not stellar or extreme, but for me they are just fine. Great ring mod, good pitch shifting, very servicable chorus/flange, etc., minimal but usable reverb, questionable wah effects. Be aware of some "robbing" going on (i.e., can't pitch shift and chorus simultaneously). But heck, you can still use some of the effects AND the 6-second sound-on-sound delay. Very decent bandwidth and clean sound make the 2100 a no-brainer in my book, but no doubt they're being discontinued, so I wouldn't "delay".... David Myers >I followed the recent thread on the Zoom 2100 in Loopers Delight with great >interest, and have been thinking about buying one. > >What are its strong and weak points? > >Thanks, >Mark Kata >Shelby Township, Michigan From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 13 18:41:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25427; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:41:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:41:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:30:38 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Why not make Echoplexes ourselves? Resent-Message-ID: <"P1KPI1.0.j95.7dNtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Stephen said: >I have no idea whether this post is going to reach the list at all as I >had some trouble with previous posts in the past (must have something to >do with me return ID or so). Just a silly question, brought forward by >someone who´s just pissed off with seeing Oberheim ignoring the wishes of >thousands of musicians worldwide: Why don´t we go out and build "ignore" is not quite fair. But in the present economic system, noone is forced to deliver what people want... and Oberheim closed down, thats not our business. >Echoplexes ourselves? I mean, there can´t be too much mystery going on >inside these modules, and the mere fact the some people managed to cook >up something like the Paradise Loop Delay just goes to show that it is >possible to design and built something like this yourself, once you´ve >found someone technically skilled enough to do that job for you. This >would also allow the designer to incorporate performance/MIDI/sync >features into the machine that have never been possible before. So, who´s >going to do that job (mail me privately, please, I´d like to have two >units anyway)? I'd actually prefer to help to this than watching it happen. There is no mistery, just years of work. The Loop Delay had 350 different parts and it took me 4 months to negociate parts and design the layouts and stuff. And it would have been longer if I had not made a 19" unit before with the same 4 enterprises for soldering, cabinet, front printing and packing. The parts for the 100 pcs that costed about 30'000 and in this scale it would not be possible to do it as cheap as the Plex was. We hope that the new version of Gibson will come out in a few months and will be cheaper even, so it would be difficult to compete with it. Anyway, if anyone has the curage to invest time and money: Its a great experience and we may help with the software which is by far the biggest work... And there are more interesting projects in the drawers here... Matthias ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 13 18:41:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25429; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:41:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:41:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37DD04C2.CCDE2EA7@node.net> References: <199909131017.GAA29189@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:30:38 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: USB 1/4" Jack Interface? Resent-Message-ID: <"zzSRQ2.0.E95.4dNtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com James Keepnews: >Ha ha ha! Yeah, I made mention of such things as these in passing and with >a greater emphasis, as usual, >on mirth-making than sought-after objective correlatives; not to say >hardware, for that. "USB-to-1/4"" >seemed to me to be an adapter waiting to happen -- plus, at least at this >early stage of the game, sort >of comical, as in: "I just bring my Powerbook, my Big Muff, and fourteen >Marshall heads powering >thirteen 4x12 cabs (I'll send the flowchart) with me on the gig" -- and I >guess the wait was not so >long, for that. Just call me the boy who cried "USB"...this happens a lot, >possibly too much. how about 16 cabinets with 8 heads and 8 Powerbooks to keep the stage symetrical. Maybe the syncfree parallel running Powerbooks bring some "warm" fat analog sound? ;-) ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 13 20:04:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12230; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:04:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:04:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990913194513.0081c290@mindspring.com> X-Sender: zanga@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:45:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rik Myers Subject: Birth Announcement: the Dr Rico Stealth Guitar In-Reply-To: <37C9DFC2.2F86A456@toddreynolds.com> References: <000101bef27e$44c7d2e0$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"HqnoA1.0.yu1.dnOtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well friends, after much planning, paying and waiting, the Dr. Rico Stealth Guitar is finished. I'm writing up an "Unca Rico's Story Corner" segment on it and will record some mp3s to accompany this webpage: http://www.timtone.com/GuitarClip29-Dr_Rico.html which is courtesy of the genius luthier, Tim Diebert. This is a temp website and will be worked over to make it a featured segment of his site for TimTone guitars. Initial impressions: This is a helluva guitar. Light, resonant, acoustically alive...the RMC piezo/preamp coupled with this larchwood/cedar design makes this git sound better amplified than my Taylor. Really. Plus synth/VG8. Plus custom wired Duncan antiquities with a "PRS" wiring harness on a 5-way blade swicth (always hated the rotary switch...). Just the thing for loopy mayhem! I know dpc and Esau had Tim build them gits, too. I'm sure they understand... Anyway, I'll post more after Hurricane Floyd clears our neighborhood. Looks like Miami may get spanked. Hasta -> Rico P.S. Check out the inlaid DNA molecule! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 13 20:28:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18145; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:28:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:28:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Future Perfect" To: Subject: 'Plex mystery Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:12:02 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"G5f3K3.0.pN3.2BPtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I posted this question on the Gibson Online Customer Forum: : Now that Gibson has gotten rid of Oberheim, what Gibson divison will produce the Echoplex??? I am guessing a change in color for the front panel as well. And the Answer: You're right, Dave. The Echoplex will be under a new division of Gibson, but it hasn't been officially announced which division will carry it. However, if you think about it, you shouldn't have any trouble guessing which division it is. Interesting, in any case, eh? Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave 'Future Perfect' - art music http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 13 21:22:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30536; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:22:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:22:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "nicholas konopka" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: cables Message-Id: <937271625.10305.165@excite.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:13:45 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 216.41.50.223 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"BCgW9.0.X_6.n5Qtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anyone know where to purchase Gamma Geometry connection cables? Nick.. ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 13 22:50:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17852; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:50:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:50:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000d01befe58$c06e8c00$b86fc8d0@computer> From: "postaldave" To: "Loopers" Subject: looper question????? Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:27:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"2ven-3.0.LC3.SCRtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was having fun with the old "rang when I decided to do something odd. First off I use my 'rang through a fender hotrod deluxe. using a strat on clean through the effects loop. after recording a multi-level loop I used output of the 'rang and put it into my keyboard amp. this gave me a really good sound. I tried running the 'rang first into the keyboard amp but didn't get that meaty sound. so the question is how can I get that tube sound through a keyboard amp. is there a pedal or something like it I could put it through first? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 13 22:56:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19297; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:56:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:56:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002701befe59$478203c0$b86fc8d0@computer> From: "postaldave" To: Subject: Re: Zoom 2100 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:31:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"cwuHW1.0.-S3.-FRtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com does the zoom 2100 allow for mulit-level looping? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 13 23:37:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28651; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:37:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:37:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BEFE36.C8497920.travis@ahoc.net> From: Travis Salisbury Reply-To: "travis@ahoc.net" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: echoplex problem Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:24:42 -0500 Organization: illuminetdesign X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"iso9l1.0.Z66.KzRtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Since I have upgraded to Loop III v. 5.0, I have been experiencing loop lockdowns. The 'plex will totally lock up sometimes and turning it off or reseting doesn't work. No buttons will work at all. Anybody have this problem? I tried to contact Gibson, but all I get is an answering system. Please help!! Travis From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 13 23:39:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29478; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:39:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:39:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909140306.UAA13509@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:09:29 -0700 Subject: Re: looper question????? From: "Stan Card" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"49Can1.0.qH5.qkRtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi-you will never(no matter what you are told-let your ears be the judge)repeat NEVER get a tube amp sound w/out the use of a TUBE AMP!...deepinthereverbtank...stantheman... ---------- >From: "postaldave" >To: "Loopers" >Subject: looper question????? >Date: Mon, Sep 13, 1999, 7:27 PM > > I was having fun with the old "rang when I decided to do something odd. > First off I use my 'rang through a fender hotrod deluxe. using a strat on > clean through the effects loop. after recording a multi-level loop I used > output of the 'rang and put it into my keyboard amp. this gave me a really > good sound. I tried running the 'rang first into the keyboard amp but didn't > get that meaty sound. > > so the question is how can I get that tube sound through a keyboard amp. is > there a pedal or something like it I could put it through first? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 13 23:52:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32463; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:52:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:52:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37DBC8A1.D2F7CB9B@toddreynolds.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:43:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Show and tell Resent-Message-ID: <"_04gS1.0.aM7.YHStt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks Todd, you got me to realize my Stuffit was old & stale. Downloaded a newer version.... >David Myers wrote: > ><user I can't do anything with zip files!>> > >n > > >ot true, david. i undo them all the time with stuffit deluxe! or am i >misunderstanding you? but i agree with your statement about diagrams! > > >todd From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 14 00:24:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08868; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:24:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:24:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37ddc95a37dac81e@pat.genie.syncordia.net> (added by pat.genie.syncordia.net) X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 05:03:49 +0100 Subject: Live Looping - All Across USA... From: "Graham Pattison" To: Loopers Delight Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3020130229_2089350_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <"feBMY.0.Br.3cStt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3020130229_2089350_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Just thought I'd put this up might interest some of you out there. I'm going on tour with a young American musician called Joseph Arthur at the end of September/beginning of October. He uses three Jammen(?) in his set and loops his acoustic guitar and vocals to build up a rhythm and song. Well worth checking out. He is supporting a British band called Gomez in september and then were picking up a support slot with Ben Harper in October. Don't have exact dates yet but will post them up later. Good to see live looping going on tour eh? Graham. --MS_Mac_OE_3020130229_2089350_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Live Looping - All Across USA... Just thought I'd put this up might interest some of you out there.
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end of September/beginning of October. He uses three Jammen(?) in his set and loops his acoustic guitar and vocals to build up a rhythm and song. Wel= l
worth checking out.
He is supporting a British band called Gomez in september and then were
picking up a support slot with Ben Harper in October. Don't have exact date= s
yet but will post them up later. Good to see live looping going on tour eh?=
Graham.
--MS_Mac_OE_3020130229_2089350_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 14 00:39:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14329; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:39:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:39:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:11:38 EDT Subject: Re: Zoom 2100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"U__2k2.0.691.-iStt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 9/13/99 9:25:30 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, dmgraph@pulsewidth.com writes: << But heck, you can still use some of the effects AND the 6-second sound-on-sound delay. >> how do you do this on the zoom 2100, sound-on-sound delay, are we talking about the same box?..............please tell............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 14 01:18:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22384; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 01:18:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 01:18:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ejunk@earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <19990911202909.29997.qmail@hotmail.com> <19990911202909.29997.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 23:38:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: ACID Lost Serial Number-Is This For Real ? Resent-Message-ID: <"jkGnA2.0.A_4.HXTtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I wish I could say the same but a few months ago, my hard disc went kapoot and along with it went my Cubase VST/24. Cubase uses a floppy key to unlock the program. Since my key was used, I was unable to reinstall it without a replacement floppy. I've made no less than a dozen calls to Steinberg, and almost as many emails and still I'm yet to hear anything back from them. It's companies like this that make my wonder why I pay for software. At 1:08 PM -0800 9/11/99, Tom Ritchford wrote: >now, now, it's impolite to make such guesses >no matter how reasonable. > >I personally am very good at paying for software >but bad at keeping all those little bits of >paper and things. So far customer support of >all these companies have hooked me up every time >that there's been a problem... > > /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 14 02:07:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA31798; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 02:07:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 02:07:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990914004522.007c69b0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: subversive@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:45:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod Subject: Re: Birth Announcement: the Dr Rico Stealth Guitar In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990913194513.0081c290@mindspring.com> References: <37C9DFC2.2F86A456@toddreynolds.com> <000101bef27e$44c7d2e0$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ZG-sr3.0.8p6.b4Utt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, Doc... That's one incredible-looking guitar! I'm about to go and check out Tim's site--as I'm very, very interested in running guitar ideas of my own by him! Thanks for sharing that with all of us! Sincerely, Jeff McLeod __________________________________________ This is not here-- And now is almost over... http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 14 06:24:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA12718; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 06:24:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 06:24:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 02:46:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: 'Plex mystery Resent-Message-ID: <"VSFEU1.0.7V1.BcXtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 5:12 PM -0700 9/13/99, Future Perfect wrote: >I posted this question on the Gibson Online Customer Forum: > >: Now that Gibson has gotten rid of Oberheim, what Gibson divison will >produce the Echoplex??? I am guessing a change in color for the front panel >as well. > >And the Answer: >You're right, Dave. The Echoplex will be under a new division of Gibson, but >it hasn't been officially announced which division will carry it. However, >if you think about it, you shouldn't have any trouble guessing which >division it is. My guess is......Dobro! The Dobro Echoplex Digital Pro! What I want to know is, will it have a Resonator? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 14 07:15:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA21969; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:15:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:15:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: RE: 'Plex mystery Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 03:46:09 -0700 Message-ID: <000001befe9e$5afd7340$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"XxTFH3.0.P64.UTYtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Poor Kim- he's become delerious at 3 :45 am! ;) -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@annihilist.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 2:47 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: 'Plex mystery At 5:12 PM -0700 9/13/99, Future Perfect wrote: >I posted this question on the Gibson Online Customer Forum: > >: Now that Gibson has gotten rid of Oberheim, what Gibson divison will >produce the Echoplex??? I am guessing a change in color for the front panel >as well. > >And the Answer: >You're right, Dave. The Echoplex will be under a new division of Gibson, but >it hasn't been officially announced which division will carry it. However, >if you think about it, you shouldn't have any trouble guessing which >division it is. My guess is......Dobro! The Dobro Echoplex Digital Pro! What I want to know is, will it have a Resonator? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 14 09:37:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17628; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:37:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:37:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002601befeb0$b78fb3e0$aec9aec7@default> From: "Alan Imberg" To: References: <19990913094140.1678.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Steve Reich question Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 05:57:30 -0700 Organization: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"TcssB.0.XT2.5Uatt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 8:00 pm at the Yerba Buena Center for the Arts Theater. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Potter To: Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 2:41 AM Subject: Re: Steve Reich question > I will be in S.F. the 24th and 25th. Do you have times for these gigs? > Kronos Quartet does Steve Reich. > > > >From: "Alan Imberg" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: Steve Reich question > >Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:36:27 -0700 > > > >Speaking of Reich and Kronos Quartet, I noticed in the Sunday paper that > >Kronos Quartet will be performing Steve Reich's Triple Quartet in San > >Francisco on Sept. 24th and 25th. > > > >As for recommendations regarding Reich's music, I have one > >non-recommendation: Steer clear of Reich Remixed. This contains > >interpetations and remixes of some of his work by contemporary DJ's and > >remixers. Its a good CD but it could create false impressions of Reich if > >its your 1st encounter to his music. > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Randy Jones > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 4:47 PM > >Subject: Re: Steve Reich question > > > > > > > > > > Well, > > > > > > I haven't heard a lot, but I very much like > > > Different Trains (looped locomotives/voices) with > > > the Kronos Quartet; always transports me to a > > > different place. > > > > > > Randy Jones > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 14 09:57:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22337; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:57:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:57:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01fa01befeb3$e1530cb0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: echoplex problem Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:20:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"rrbGQ.0.c14.Wuatt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I upgraded one of my 'plexes myself and have never experienced problems. Sorry if I'm stating the obvious but have you tried pulling the ROMs and reinserting them (after checking for bent pins, etc.)? Has anything else changed? New RAM memory, etc.? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Travis Salisbury To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Date: Monday, September 13, 1999 10:39 PM Subject: echoplex problem >Since I have upgraded to Loop III v. 5.0, I have been experiencing loop >lockdowns. The 'plex will totally lock up sometimes and turning it off or >reseting doesn't work. No buttons will work at all. Anybody have this >problem? I tried to contact Gibson, but all I get is an answering system. >Please help!! > >Travis > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 14 10:41:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00892; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:41:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:41:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:24:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Zoom 2100 Resent-Message-ID: <"ujpAY2.0.b77.Bgbtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In the "mod" stage, select 7 (delay), whatever delay time you want (up to 6 sec.), and dial feedback just past 10. The display will read "S.o" for sound-on-sound. You can use all the other stages with it, like ring mod, distortion, and EQ before your loop, and reverb or ping pong delay after the loop. If you've seen my loop layout at my website, I use "2100 #2" most often in this way. David Myers http://www.pulsewidth.com >In a message dated 9/13/99 9:25:30 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, >dmgraph@pulsewidth.com writes: > ><< But heck, you can still use some of the effects AND the 6-second > sound-on-sound delay. >> > >how do you do this on the zoom 2100, sound-on-sound delay, are we talking >about the same box?..............please tell............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 14 10:44:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01494; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:44:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:44:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <37D94DAB.360CD59D@toddreynolds.com> <027b01befb9e$c27c1970$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> <37D94DAB.360CD59D@toddreynolds.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:24:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Shockwave Resent-Message-ID: <"Cc_LZ2.0.IF7.Vgbtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anyone here have experience in putting up sound samples on websites via Shockwave? I've been dragging my feet concerning audio at my site, and in my experience Realplayer spends half its time choking. FingerPaint's site uses Shockwave audio, and it's smooth as silk. Anybody? David Myers http://www.pulsewidth.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 14 11:36:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14659; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:36:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:36:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004e01befec4$3bd4cec0$4f32dacf@stepheng> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Zoom 2100 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:17:15 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"yzxZd.0.cO2.NSctt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've found the docs in pdf format via Zoom's site: http://www.samsontech.com/zoom/manuals/2100.pdf Stephen Goodman * It's the free Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html * (Hear the NEW "Star Spangled Banner" here!) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 14 14:25:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24283; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:25:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:25:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <3571647d.250fe6fa@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:59:22 EDT Subject: Re: Akai Headrush $150 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"i25MX3.0.fK4.Erett"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Asking price: $150 Akai Headrush delay with tape sim, 24 sec. infinite repeat, 12 sec. looping capability. Seller: Kenneth Kitzman, E-mail: kitzman@jhuapl.edu (Profile) ICQ#: 100023227 Location: ELLICOTT CITY, MD (an ad on Harmony Central this A.M.) Bill "Hawkeye" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 14 15:09:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04016; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:09:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:09:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0DB5858@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: fyi Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:50:31 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"yFsxq3.0.D6.Reftt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have some equipment I would like to sell. Items range from musical instruments to professional music recording equipment. If interested please e-mail me. Thanks. The items are as follows: Aphex Model 103 Aural Exciter $150.00; Lexicon Jamman Sampler/Delay $250.00; Lexicon Alex $250.00; Digitech Studio Vocalist $700.00; Fender Gemini II Acoustic w/case $250.00; Ensoniq KT88 Keyboard $1,500.00; Dunlop Crybaby Wah Pedal $50.00; **Please note, all items are in mint condition and some items have never been used.** Seller: B.J. LoSchiavo, E-mail: rob399_00@yahoo.com (Profile) Location: RUNNEMEDE, NJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 14 15:58:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15920; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:58:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:58:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hamnsoda@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:34:21 EDT Subject: Re: fyi To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 79 Resent-Message-ID: <"_dVC.0.wW2.xDgtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com thanx stu.... that jamman looks good, but.... alas.... $$$$$$$$ hope all's well. oh yeah, my LA sched is this: friday night, 9pm Caltech... sat night-rocco's.... sat. day? not sure what's up... GE and nels around? cdr's? lemeno... sa From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 14 16:10:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18881; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:10:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:10:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <6eb8fb3.250fffaa@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:44:42 EDT Subject: Re: fyi To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"CBuUB.0.eE3.jNgtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 9/14/99 3:08:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LiebigSA@Maritz.com writes: > Lexicon Jamman > Sampler/Delay > $250.00; hello, i'll take the jamman please send your # so we can seal the deal thanks, brian From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 14 16:19:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21701; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:19:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:19:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909141952.MAA23225@scv3.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:52:10 -0500 Subject: Re: fyi From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cVbmF2.0.KZ3.uTgtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You know I just realised that many people on Looper's Delight may be having private e-mail conversations and somehow not sending it to the entire list. Words alone cannot describe how distraught I am to be left in the dark regarding everyone's financial situation and weekend plans. TH ---------- >From: Hamnsoda@aol.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: fyi >Date: Tue, Sep 14, 1999, 2:34 PM > > thanx stu.... > that jamman looks good, but.... alas.... $$$$$$$$ > hope all's well. > oh yeah, > my LA sched is this: > friday night, 9pm Caltech... > sat night-rocco's.... > sat. day? not sure what's up... GE and nels around? > cdr's? lemeno... > sa > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 14 16:36:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26691; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:36:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:36:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0DB585D@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: fyi Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:13:55 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"JOhoF3.0.KH5.Wsgtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i'm not selling it. it's a guy on harmony central . . . rad the ad. > -----Original Message----- > From: ENAT21213@aol.com [SMTP:ENAT21213@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 12:45 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: fyi > > In a message dated 9/14/99 3:08:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > LiebigSA@Maritz.com writes: > > > Lexicon Jamman > > Sampler/Delay > > $250.00; > hello, > i'll take the jamman > please send your # so we can seal the deal > thanks, > brian From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 14 17:06:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01335; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:06:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:06:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0DB585E@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: fyi Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:35:13 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"jcHY82.0.Td6.AAhtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yeah it's a drag, but ya know what? sometimes you push return and it goes to the list and sometimes it goes to the individual. honest mistake. delete stig > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Hartnett [SMTP:hartne.t@apple.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 12:52 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: fyi > > You know I just realised that many people on Looper's Delight may be > having > private e-mail conversations and somehow not sending it to the entire > list. > Words alone cannot describe how distraught I am to be left in the dark > regarding everyone's financial situation and weekend plans. > > TH > > > ---------- > >From: Hamnsoda@aol.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Subject: Re: fyi > >Date: Tue, Sep 14, 1999, 2:34 PM > > > > > thanx stu.... > > that jamman looks good, but.... alas.... $$$$$$$$ > > hope all's well. > > oh yeah, > > my LA sched is this: > > friday night, 9pm Caltech... > > sat night-rocco's.... > > sat. day? not sure what's up... GE and nels around? > > cdr's? lemeno... > > sa > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 14 18:09:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16393; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:09:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:09:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990914220743.13853.rocketmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:07:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Novak Subject: Re: fyi To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"WEbDA3.0.oX3.-Nitt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'll take the Jam Man off your hands although I'm sure I won't be the first to reply. ---Ryan Novak --- "Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: > I have some equipment I would like to sell. Items > range from musical > instruments to > professional music recording equipment. If > interested please e-mail me. > Thanks. The items > are as follows: Aphex Model 103 Aural Exciter > $150.00; Lexicon Jamman > Sampler/Delay > $250.00; Lexicon Alex $250.00; Digitech Studio > Vocalist $700.00; Fender > Gemini II Acoustic > w/case $250.00; Ensoniq KT88 Keyboard > $1,500.00; Dunlop Crybaby Wah > Pedal $50.00; **Please > note, all items are in mint condition and some > items have never been > used.** > > Seller: B.J. LoSchiavo, > E-mail: rob399_00@yahoo.com (Profile) > Location: RUNNEMEDE, NJ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 14 20:21:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14064; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:21:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:21:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BEFEE5.F9A5A160.travis@ahoc.net> From: Travis Salisbury Reply-To: "travis@ahoc.net" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: echoplex problem Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:18:43 -0500 Organization: illuminetdesign X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8GqS6.0.r33.1Lktt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Tuesday, September 14, 1999 8:20 AM, Dennis W. Leas [SMTP:dennis@mdbs.com] wrote: > I upgraded one of my 'plexes myself and have never experienced problems. > Sorry if I'm stating the obvious but have you tried pulling the ROMs and > reinserting them (after checking for bent pins, etc.)? Has anything else > changed? New RAM memory, etc.? > > Nothing has changed, only the ROMs. Interestingly, though, this problem only comes up now and then. But when it does, I just forget about looping for the night and the next day it is fine. I went ahead and re-seated all ROMs and SIMMs, so I hope this works. thanks everyone for the tips! Travis From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 14 22:13:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07681; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:13:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:13:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909150153.VAA18940@smtp6.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:59:24 -0400 Subject: Source/product is full From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"a8p9c1.0.fm.Tmltt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Well, there's been a lot of responses to the "Source/Product" project that was announced last week. We want to thank everybody who has written back, but we have to announce that we're absolutely packed full. We can't fit any more people in this project! Wish us luck and we'll let you know when it's done. thanks, matt davignon" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 14 22:51:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15772; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:51:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:51:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00f401beff24$78bcd7a0$c696adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: Source/product is full Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:46:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"gmoR_.0.YW3.6Wmtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com matt: sorry I didn't post back sooner . . . put me on the waiting list for your 2nd release--especailly if you like heavily processed didgeridoo . . . . ;) Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net -----Original Message----- From: Christopher White To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 9:18 PM Subject: Source/product is full > >"Well, there's been a lot of responses to the "Source/Product" project that >was announced last week. We want to thank everybody who has written back, >but we have to announce that we're absolutely packed full. We can't fit any >more people in this project! Wish us luck and we'll let you know when it's >done. > >thanks, > >matt davignon" > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 14 23:09:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20677; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:09:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:09:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <010c01beff27$0df32ac0$c696adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: re: SORRY for moronic last post to entire LOOPERS list Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:04:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0109_01BEFEFD.2453B840" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"O51Lj.0.3j4.Rnmtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0109_01BEFEFD.2453B840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable arrrrrggghhh . . .=20 Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net ------=_NextPart_000_0109_01BEFEFD.2453B840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0109_01BEFEFD.2453B840-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 15 08:08:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31104; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:08:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:08:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <017401beff6d$40d26140$cfb854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> From: MKata@Wintegrity.com (Mark Kata) To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Portable Looping Rig Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:27:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"k56Wz3.0.Zr5.8Cutt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey David, I looked at the diagram of your looping rig on www.pulsewidth.com. Man, you must have spent a fortune on patch cords! :-) Seriously, here's my question: You know how they say that the sound of your instrument is in your hands? And if two different guitarists play the same rig, each one sounds different? Have you found this with your looping rig? Mark Kata From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 15 10:08:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25178; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:08:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:08:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <017401beff6d$40d26140$cfb854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:28:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Portable Looping Rig Resent-Message-ID: <"bhq-j3.0.Xo3.rxvtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Hey David, > >I looked at the diagram of your looping rig on www.pulsewidth.com. Man, you >must have spent a fortune on patch cords! :-) Not really. My patchcord count is WAY down. Other guys' diagrams mentioned/posted here are far more complex. >Seriously, here's my question: You know how they say that the sound of your >instrument is in your hands? And if two different guitarists play the same >rig, each one sounds different? Have you found this with your looping rig? > >Mark Kata When another guitarist gets a chance to play it, I'll let you know! Really, though, in a way a "looping rig" is almost as impersonal as a "recording studio"--it's figuring out what the hell to do with it that makes music, right? Besides, I can barely play a guitar.... David Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 15 12:32:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27085; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:32:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:32:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909151524.IAA25093@scv3.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:24:48 -0500 Subject: Ebay looping tools From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LsAPC.0.Kh2.Yfxtt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Digitech RDS 3.6: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=163365796 7.6 sec Time Machine: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=163591540 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 15 14:46:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27772; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:46:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:46:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:19:35 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: kflint@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: 'Plex mystery Resent-Message-ID: <"a4_qa3.0.uN5.cE-tt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>You're right, Dave. The Echoplex will be under a new division of Gibson, but it hasn't been officially announced which division will carry it. However, if you think about it, you shouldn't have any trouble guessing which division it is. > My guess is......Dobro! The Dobro Echoplex Digital Pro! What I want to know is, will it have a Resonator? I think they're going to have a complete sinus cavity simulation with room size algorythms and a spit valve. Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." mbiffle@svg.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 15 16:03:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14749; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:03:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:03:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:43:39 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com, mayers@gibson.com Subject: Re: 'Plex mystery Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id PAA10537 Resent-Message-ID: <"qPuCa2.0.ua2.YT_tt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You know... I suggested the Flatiron Flashback as a suitable division and product name a while back and got nothing but dead air. I'll be they could really clean up if they could successfully market a looper to amplified acoustic musicians! Maybe to our mutual disgust, but hey! That's capitalism... 8-) Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." mbiffle@svg.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 15 18:27:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04776; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:24:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:24:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37E0065B.BF526AB@node.net> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:49:31 -0400 From: James Keepnews Reply-To: keepnews@node.net Organization: * - node - * X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Shockwave References: <199909152030.QAA21948@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"e7dIH3.0.Pv6.vP0ut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com David Myers wrote: > Does anyone here have experience in putting up sound samples on websites > via Shockwave? I've been dragging my feet concerning audio at my site, and > in my experience Realplayer spends half its time choking. FingerPaint's > site uses Shockwave audio, and it's smooth as silk. Anybody? > > David Myers > > http://www.pulsewidth.com > Our pals at Macromedia have really figured out some useful applications for multimedia, on the Web as elsewhere. Shockwave is the portable, compressable format for their "presentation" software packages Director (a presentation package with its own programming language, Lingo, which allows for more sophisticated behaviors than click and wait, although that's what it's mostly used for...) and Flash (a vector animation program, that, in the capabilities of its latest version, is beginning to rival Director). Although more emphasis is put on its visual functions, it's true that its audio tools are excellent for making small, portable files available for those browsers which are have the plug-ins (you can also make stand-alone "projectors" and inflict...I mean, generously share...your files on whomever you wish, although these are platform-specific and you'd need a platform-specific version of either software package to create these projectors). If you just want to put Shockwaved files on a website, Flash is much cheaper than Director; with either, you can guage the amount of compression you want when Shock-ing your file down to size. Macromedia's site has more info -- can you guess its URL? ----------------------------------------------------------------- ~ > --- James Keepnews --- < "Don't quote anybody, Sir!" (.-.) > -- Multimedia Yahoo -- < \ * -- Krishnamurti - > - keepnews@node.net - < ----------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 15 21:07:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23581; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:07:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:07:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:52:48 -0700 From: "sock s" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Simm type X-Sender-Ip: 208.142.15.101 Organization: N2Mail (http://www.n2mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"s5nE-.0.N_4.E-3ut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Im wondering if these type of Simms are 4mb and will work with the Echoplex: Unigen 814400a-70 9419f93 thanks What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 15 23:00:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15997; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:00:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:00:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Intended-For: Message-ID: <000701beffee$62c92000$285a7dce@compaq> From: "George Pollow" To: Subject: New standard tuning scales and arpeggios Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:51:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEFFB3.B5455000" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"GCcyX3.0.0I3.kg5ut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEFFB3.B5455000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey - I came up with the idea of tuning my guitar to fifths like a = violin almost a year ago. I found out several days later that I wasnt = the first to come up with this idea ( grrr!!!! ) but I have never been = able to find any scale and arpeggio fingerings anywhere on the internet = so I had to figure it out myself. It took me a long time and I think I = have some good things for it but I would still be interested in seeing = how other people go about fingering this stuff. I wrote out a long list = of fingerings for fifth tuning and I can E-mail it to anyone that is = interested in seeing how I do it. Andy Pollow Pollow@aa.net ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEFFB3.B5455000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey - I came up with the idea of = tuning my=20 guitar to fifths like a violin almost a year ago. I found out several = days later=20 that I wasnt the first to come up with this idea ( grrr!!!! ) but I have = never=20 been able to find any scale and arpeggio fingerings anywhere on the = internet so=20 I had to figure it out myself. It took me a long time and I think I have = some=20 good things for it but I would still be interested in seeing how other = people go=20 about fingering this stuff. I wrote out a long list of fingerings for = fifth=20 tuning and I can E-mail it to anyone that is interested in seeing how I = do=20 it.
Andy Pollow
Pollow@aa.net
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEFFB3.B5455000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 15 23:55:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29278; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:55:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:55:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:46:40 EDT Subject: Re: New standard tuning scales and arpeggios To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"LWX0c3.0.de6.HX6ut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have my classic guitar (active electronics) tuned in 4ths--like a bass. Bill "Hawkeye" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 15 23:59:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29823; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:59:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:59:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000b01befff4$5025a4e0$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: References: <000701beffee$62c92000$285a7dce@compaq> Subject: Re: New standard tuning scales and arpeggios Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:33:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01BEFFCA.5DC01A60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"29QEq3.0._o5.GI6ut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BEFFCA.5DC01A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's something on the internet that shows you scale, chord, & arpeggio = fingering for guitar in any tuning. http://web.tiscalinet.it/hendrix/english.htm ----- Original Message -----=20 From: George Pollow=20 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 9:51 PM Subject: New standard tuning scales and arpeggios Hey - I came up with the idea of tuning my guitar to fifths like a = violin almost a year ago. I found out several days later that I wasnt = the first to come up with this idea ( grrr!!!! ) but I have never been = able to find any scale and arpeggio fingerings anywhere on the internet = so I had to figure it out myself. It took me a long time and I think I = have some good things for it but I would still be interested in seeing = how other people go about fingering this stuff. I wrote out a long list = of fingerings for fifth tuning and I can E-mail it to anyone that is = interested in seeing how I do it. Andy Pollow Pollow@aa.net ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BEFFCA.5DC01A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here's something on the internet that = shows you=20 scale, chord, & arpeggio fingering for guitar in any = tuning.
 
http://web.tiscalin= et.it/hendrix/english.htm
 
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: George Pollow =
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 9:51 PM
Subject: New standard tuning scales and = arpeggios

Hey - I came up with the idea of = tuning my=20 guitar to fifths like a violin almost a year ago. I found out several = days later=20 that I wasnt the first to come up with this idea ( grrr!!!! ) but I have = never=20 been able to find any scale and arpeggio fingerings anywhere on the = internet so=20 I had to figure it out myself. It took me a long time and I think I have = some=20 good things for it but I would still be interested in seeing how other = people go=20 about fingering this stuff. I wrote out a long list of fingerings for = fifth=20 tuning and I can E-mail it to anyone that is interested in seeing how I = do=20 it.
Andy Pollow
Pollow@aa.net
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BEFFCA.5DC01A60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 16 10:50:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30122; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:50:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:50:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: kflint@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: stereo EDP set-up and noise Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:04:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"X5eQc3.0.R35.KfFut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello - I recently borrowed a friend's EDP for so I could do some stereo loops. Both machines have the latest software upgrade. There were a few things I noticed. 1) When I would start to RECORD a loop, a new "scratchy" noise would engage as soon as I hit the RECORD button. (It would NOT be there when I was just passing signal through the units without recording a loop.) Each unit would work silently by itself. 2) On the first day, and using MIDI and stereo cable for Brother Sync, both units synched up with exactly similar loop length display times. However, on the send day, with the same set-up, I noticed one machine would display a 10th of a second shorter a loop. To solve the first problem I tried everything I could think of. powering up again disconnecting/reconnecting all cables disconnecting/reconnecting midi cable re-initializing units. Nothing worked, I just dealth with the problem and only recorded LOUD signals/loops. By the way, the borrowed unit had the "input sensitivity" modification (in theory). What I noticed is that it really didn't have much better input sensitivity -- but it had twice the OUTPUT gain of my unit. Does anyone have clues to offer to solve the noise problem? David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 16 11:05:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00817; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:05:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:05:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909161433.HAA21867@scv2.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:33:21 -0500 Subject: FS:tc 2290 (Harmony Central), $1150 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_1DLP2.0.nI6.J_Fut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com **** T.C. Electronic 2290 Delay unit **** Asking Price: US$1150 Condition: Mint Age: N/A Description: mint cond. stock unit. Used for guitar and kept in rack at all times. best digital delay in the world plus other functions like seperate effects loops and stereo effects. if you want the best this is it. let me know if interested, charlie 310-375-2730 Seller: charlie hitchcock, 805-564-8902 E-mail: charliehitchcock@hotmail.com (Profile) Location: SANTA BARBARA, CA Post Date: 9/15/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 16 11:12:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02754; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:12:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:12:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:43:08 EDT Subject: zoom 2100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"8j4sn1.0.Nv6.A9Gut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com after messing with this box for a few weeks and after getting dave myers pointer to the 6sec (or however long you want it delay)........i can only say, this box is worth every penny of the $99.00 i paid for it.........so if your sittin on a fence about this piece, my advice is, go for it.........it continues to amaze me what can be done now-a-days with all of this stuff, we truely are living in an electronic dream-world......michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 16 11:12:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02749; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:12:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:12:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" , Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Bob Sellon Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:51:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"JIYh-1.0.8I4.aTFut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello - Does anyone know how I can contact Bob Sellon (sp?)? Replies privately, please. Thanks for your help. David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 16 12:19:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18907; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:19:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:19:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 08:17:17 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: New email address... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id LAA12605 Resent-Message-ID: <"htvc1.0.J53.QAHut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'd just like to remind you all that my email address has changed to: mbiffle@svg.com Forwarding from the old address is about to expire and I don't want to miss any of your messages. Best to all, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 16 12:26:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20315; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:26:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:26:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Subject: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:04:46 -0400 x-sender: klowy@pop.wrinklemuzik.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: klowy To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <1274624587-88351139@mag.wired.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"WojLT.0.kl3.TKHut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello there loopers of the world: wrinklemuzik (aka kenn lowy) will be performing at the knitting factory (alternit theatre) 74 leonard street (btwn bdwy & church) wed sept 22nd at 7 pm sharp wrinklemuzik (kenn) uses dual echoplex', jamMan, ebow-sustainer guitar, harmonizer, and bunch of other toys. the music can best be desribed as a hybrid of reich-glass-fripp-and rock. kenn calls it ebow soundscapes (kenn, being me). for a sample of wrinklemzuik head over to: http://www.mp3.com/artists/22/wrinklemuzik.html if any of you make it to this show please hang out for a few minutes after the show. i'll be talking to anyone and everyone in the bar (which is right outside the concert space) and i'd love to hear your comments. visit the wrinklemuzik web site: www.wrinklemuzik.com catch all the latest news about kenn lowy & wrinklemuzik. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 16 13:40:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05306; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:40:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:40:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990916171145.6002.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.171] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: zoom 2100 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:11:45 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"TaS163.0.Qd7.DKIut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Please send ordering info for Zoom 2100. thanks >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: zoom 2100 >Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:43:08 EDT > >after messing with this box for a few weeks and after getting dave myers >pointer to the 6sec (or however long you want it delay)........i can only >say, this box is worth every penny of the $99.00 i paid for it.........so >if >your sittin on a fence about this piece, my advice is, go for it.........it >continues to amaze me what can be done now-a-days with all of this stuff, >we >truely are living in an electronic dream-world......michael > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 16 13:43:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06288; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:43:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:43:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:21:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@red To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New standard tuning scales and arpeggios In-Reply-To: <000701beffee$62c92000$285a7dce@compaq> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"WPqeQ1.0.2I.wSIut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, George Pollow wrote: > Hey - I came up with the idea of tuning my guitar to fifths like a > violin almost a year ago. I found out several days later that I wasnt > the first to come up with this idea ( grrr!!!! ) but I have never been > able to find any scale and arpeggio fingerings anywhere on the > internet so I had to figure it out myself. It took me a long time and > I think I have some good things for it but I would still be interested > in seeing how other people go about fingering this stuff. I wrote out > a long list of fingerings for fifth tuning and I can E-mail it to > anyone that is interested in seeing how I do it. Have you considered buying a mandolin instructional book? Lots of chords/scales/etc for 5ths tuning. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 16 13:39:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05126; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:39:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:39:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990916171439.6879.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.171] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:14:38 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"U24XY3.0.6u7._MIut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What town???? Do you think we all know you?????????????????????///// >From: klowy >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik) >Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:04:46 -0400 > >hello there loopers of the world: > >wrinklemuzik (aka kenn lowy) will be performing at > >the knitting factory (alternit theatre) >74 leonard street (btwn bdwy & church) >wed sept 22nd at 7 pm sharp > > >wrinklemuzik (kenn) uses dual echoplex', jamMan, ebow-sustainer guitar, >harmonizer, and bunch of other toys. the music can best be desribed as a >hybrid of reich-glass-fripp-and rock. kenn calls it ebow soundscapes >(kenn, being me). > >for a sample of wrinklemzuik head over to: >http://www.mp3.com/artists/22/wrinklemuzik.html > >if any of you make it to this show please hang out for a few minutes >after the show. i'll be talking to anyone and everyone in the bar (which >is right outside the concert space) and i'd love to hear your comments. > > > > > >visit the wrinklemuzik web site: >www.wrinklemuzik.com > >catch all the latest news about kenn lowy & wrinklemuzik. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 16 13:53:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08874; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:53:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:53:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990916104415.013ffd90@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:44:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik) In-Reply-To: <19990916171439.6879.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"KEYtJ2.0.QN1.FkIut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com the knitting factory == somewhat well-known venue in nyc nyc == New York City At 10:14 AM 9/16/99 PDT, someone wrote: >What town???? Do you think we all know you?????????????????????///// > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 16 13:57:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10015; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:57:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:57:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:48:08 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: zoom 2100 Resent-Message-ID: <"SoINm1.0.Gu1.WsIut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check Musician's Friend and AMS (American Music Supply)... >>> "David Potter" 09/16 10:37 AM >>> Please send ordering info for Zoom 2100. thanks >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: zoom 2100 >Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:43:08 EDT > >after messing with this box for a few weeks and after getting dave myers >pointer to the 6sec (or however long you want it delay)........i can only >say, this box is worth every penny of the $99.00 i paid for it.........so >if >your sittin on a fence about this piece, my advice is, go for it.........it >continues to amaze me what can be done now-a-days with all of this stuff, >we >truely are living in an electronic dream-world......michael > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 16 13:53:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08958; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:53:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:53:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:47:33 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, papadave55@hotmail.com Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik) Resent-Message-ID: <"-3PRC2.0.Zt1.LsIut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com C'mon Potter! It's right in the Subject of the message... *-0 >>> "David Potter" 09/16 10:36 AM >>> What town???? Do you think we all know you?????????????????????///// >From: klowy >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik) >Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:04:46 -0400 > >hello there loopers of the world: > >wrinklemuzik (aka kenn lowy) will be performing at > >the knitting factory (alternit theatre) >74 leonard street (btwn bdwy & church) >wed sept 22nd at 7 pm sharp > > >wrinklemuzik (kenn) uses dual echoplex', jamMan, ebow-sustainer guitar, >harmonizer, and bunch of other toys. the music can best be desribed as a >hybrid of reich-glass-fripp-and rock. kenn calls it ebow soundscapes >(kenn, being me). > >for a sample of wrinklemzuik head over to: >http://www.mp3.com/artists/22/wrinklemuzik.html > >if any of you make it to this show please hang out for a few minutes >after the show. i'll be talking to anyone and everyone in the bar (which >is right outside the concert space) and i'd love to hear your comments. > > > > > >visit the wrinklemuzik web site: >www.wrinklemuzik.com > >catch all the latest news about kenn lowy & wrinklemuzik. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 16 15:09:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28708; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:09:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:09:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Intended-For: Message-ID: <37E13D02.984C4320@aa.net> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:54:58 -0700 From: George Pollow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New standard tuning scales and arpeggios References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RKAf23.0.Ox5.gnJut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah - Im gonna start looking for violin, viola, and cello books in the libraries everywhere - maybe Ill look for books about the mandolin too. I should have done that sooner. I wonder if the cello fingerings might help because its tuned to fifths but the 1/2 steps are far apart like a guitar on the cello. Do you tune to fifths? Andy Pollow Adam Levin wrote: > On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, George Pollow wrote: > > > Hey - I came up with the idea of tuning my guitar to fifths like a > > violin almost a year ago. I found out several days later that I wasnt > > the first to come up with this idea ( grrr!!!! ) but I have never been > > able to find any scale and arpeggio fingerings anywhere on the > > internet so I had to figure it out myself. It took me a long time and > > I think I have some good things for it but I would still be interested > > in seeing how other people go about fingering this stuff. I wrote out > > a long list of fingerings for fifth tuning and I can E-mail it to > > anyone that is interested in seeing how I do it. > > Have you considered buying a mandolin instructional book? Lots of > chords/scales/etc for 5ths tuning. > > -Adam > > --- > "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, > out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one > becomes a Hearer." > - Chandrakirti > > T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t > http://www.darkaether.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 16 15:31:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01277; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:31:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:31:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008401bf0077$94557540$f9954e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:13:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"xOlJr1.0.sn6.5_Jut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: Sean To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, September 16, 1999 2:54 PM Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik) >the knitting factory == somewhat well-known venue in nyc >nyc == New York City And where would *that* be? ;-) James >At 10:14 AM 9/16/99 PDT, someone wrote: >>What town???? Do you think we all know you?????????????????????///// >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 16 15:50:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06081; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:50:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:50:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282D546@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" , papadave55@hotmail.com Subject: RE: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 14:37:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"9w8_c3.0.Pg.kRKut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wow great, Ken lowry is going to be playing a gig in potters,IN (population 12)? Cool DT - Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik) C'mon Potter! It's right in the Subject of the message... *-0 >>> "David Potter" 09/16 10:36 AM >>> What town???? Do you think we all know you?????????????????????///// From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 16 17:01:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22369; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:01:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:01:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37E157C8.C32CFF58@webms.com> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:49:12 -0700 From: paul buelow Organization: WebMS X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik) References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282D546@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"t0Bhc.0.8Z4.iRLut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes I just heard that the NYC Potters will be looping in Lowry, Indiana. Awesome, PB "Taaffe, Denis G" wrote: > > Wow great, > > Ken lowry is going to be playing a gig in potters,IN (population > 12)? > > Cool > DT > > - > Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik) > > C'mon Potter! It's right in the Subject of the message... *-0 > > >>> "David Potter" 09/16 10:36 AM >>> > What town???? Do you think we all know > you?????????????????????///// From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 16 17:33:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29986; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:33:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:33:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004f01bf0087$383efbe0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:05:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"JjvfS2.0.gJ6.vuLut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com No, no, no. It's "The Nyce Potters" playing their Lowery organs in Hammond, Indiana. The show is called "Feat of Clay." Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: paul buelow To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, September 16, 1999 11:02 AM Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik) >Yes I just heard that the NYC Potters will be looping in >Lowry, Indiana. > >Awesome, >PB > >"Taaffe, Denis G" wrote: >> >> Wow great, >> >> Ken lowry is going to be playing a gig in potters,IN (population >> 12)? >> >> Cool >> DT >> >> - >> Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik) >> >> C'mon Potter! It's right in the Subject of the message... *-0 >> >> >>> "David Potter" 09/16 10:36 AM >>> >> What town???? Do you think we all know >> you?????????????????????///// > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 16 17:49:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00888; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:49:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:49:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990916211551.62338.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.147] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 14:15:51 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"LIheR.0.HJ6.puLut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com O.K. guys I cry Uncle..didn't have my glasses on..Pile on me I can take it...sniffle,sniffle whine whine..Actually the Potter's are playing Oct.1st for Women Care in a benefit for women dying of cancer. My wife and I and 6 children. >From: paul buelow >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik) >Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:49:12 -0700 > >Yes I just heard that the NYC Potters will be looping in >Lowry, Indiana. > >Awesome, >PB > >"Taaffe, Denis G" wrote: > > > > Wow great, > > > > Ken lowry is going to be playing a gig in potters,IN >(population > > 12)? > > > > Cool > > DT > > > > - > > Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik) > > > > C'mon Potter! It's right in the Subject of the message... *-0 > > > > >>> "David Potter" 09/16 10:36 AM >>> > > What town???? Do you think we all know > > you?????????????????????///// > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 16 18:25:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09087; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:25:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:25:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <010201bf008c$4daf0380$4c2310ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: , Subject: Boss GT-3 Processor and looping Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:40:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 Content-Type: text/plain; boundary="----------------------------"; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"XD6ET1.0.Zh7.5GMut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey gang! I am totally jazzed up on the Boss GT-3 (floor-type FX processor, lists for under $500). I am reviewing it for Guitar World and it is d-e-e-p, like that trench in the Pacific. Lots of fresh sounds, and painfully flexible - massive tweaking parameters, and you can order the FX in any configuration you wish (like massive distortion on a 100% saturated reverb, chopped off with a noise gate). And it has an outboard in-out point - an outboard FX loop point - which can be similarly assigned to any point in the configuration. I could rant for multiple screens on it, but I have a deadline... So what I'm wondering is, is anyone using one of these pups for looping? I've been massaging my own live rig over the past couple months, and I'm all set to chuck the whole enchilada (Rat distortion, Moogerfooger ring mod, Alesis microverb, a couple of other stomp boxes, but ESPECIALLY the Mesa Boogie Heartbreaker 2x12 combo - all 100 pounds of it - and all the damn patch cords) in favor of just the GT-3, Akai Headrush and a Crate Acoustic Guitar amp. So simple, I don't even have to make a diagram! Any GT-3 loopers out there? Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 16 18:25:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09127; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:25:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:25:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008601bf008c$c824f570$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:45:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"4VY3e.0.va.JUMut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com umm, where would this concert be? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: David Potter To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, September 16, 1999 11:51 AM Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik) >O.K. guys I cry Uncle..didn't have my glasses on..Pile on me I can take >it...sniffle,sniffle whine whine..Actually the Potter's are playing Oct.1st >for Women Care in a benefit for women dying of cancer. >My wife and I and 6 children. > >>From: paul buelow >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik) >>Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:49:12 -0700 >> >>Yes I just heard that the NYC Potters will be looping in >>Lowry, Indiana. >> >>Awesome, >>PB >> >>"Taaffe, Denis G" wrote: >> > >> > Wow great, >> > >> > Ken lowry is going to be playing a gig in potters,IN >>(population >> > 12)? >> > >> > Cool >> > DT >> > >> > - >> > Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik) >> > >> > C'mon Potter! It's right in the Subject of the message... *-0 >> > >> > >>> "David Potter" 09/16 10:36 AM >>> >> > What town???? Do you think we all know >> > you?????????????????????///// >> > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 16 18:37:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11686; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:37:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:37:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: wb5150@earthlink.net Message-ID: <37E16A87.6710@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:09:11 -0400 Reply-To: wb5150@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NSCP (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: absolut mess Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SbDN6.0.bT1._iMut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My EDP has inexplicably blown two fuses in the past week. Has anyone else suffered through this dilemma? If so, were there strange causal factors involved? Also, which intoxicants seemed to work best during the downtime? Z. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 16 18:52:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14859; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:52:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:52:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <595301fe.2512c9b0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:31:12 EDT Subject: Re: Boss GT-3 Processor and looping To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"fM3hw2.0.Ea2.i_Mut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 9/16/99 2:21:56 PM, dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us writes: >Hey gang! I am totally jazzed up on the Boss GT-3...[snip} How many seconds/milliseconds of delay does it have? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 16 18:54:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15258; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:54:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:54:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909162224.PAA24034@scv2.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:24:55 -0500 Subject: Re: Boss GT-3 Processor and looping From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hYJS_1.0.ZE2.6vMut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've got one. It's swanky. That, a Boomerang and some sort of powered monitor and I'm ready to go. The GT-3 is running about $400 street, and I don't know of anything else that gives that sort of bang for the buck. The synth patches are a hoot! Piece of cake to program too, unlike much of the Roland stuff I've dealt with (including the wonderful but difficult to program GP-100). Of course, it does have that irritating external power source... I use it for gigs where I don't want to haul the big rack and stereo speakers, etc, etc. A GT-3 and your looper of choice in a foam-lined suitcase, and you're ready to go. TH ---------- >From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com >Subject: Boss GT-3 Processor and looping >Date: Thu, Sep 16, 1999, 4:40 PM > > Any GT-3 loopers out there? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 16 18:57:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16369; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:57:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:57:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:51:27 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com, dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us Subject: Re: Boss GT-3 Processor and looping Resent-Message-ID: <"LwO9G.0.6h3.RJNut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com All I can say Doug... is that I bought a GX-700 and spent a year getting more and more great sounds out of it. Jamming side by side with tube amps and recording as well. I finally upgraded to a GT-5 and have been ecstatic ever since! I've compared it to Line6 stuff and found that maybe the Line6 stuff has more useful presets for performance situations, but if you're willing to tweak, you'll be able to get all the same beef, warmth and much wilder stereo effects from the Boss/Roland processors. The midi and real time control stuff is better for the most part than several much more expensive boxes I've owned. It has a few idiosyncrosies but I really love that box. As for looping... Much of this courtesy of Dave Coffin... The delay hold function and Sound on Sound really work great and there's a little trick of copying 5 of the same looping patches across a bank... then changing the od's and mod parameters without changing the fx order... which gives you a looper with delay spillover into the next patch where you might have vastly different sounds... In manual mode you can turn off and on any 5 parameters such as autowah, delay, mod, fx loop, dist etc. David Coffin is another happy GT-5 user as well and a listen to his stuff really shows off what it can do... From what I've heard about the GT-3, I'd say it probably does some great new things and seems to have retained all the other nice features of the GT-5 in a smaller footprint with a slightly different user i/f. I doubt that I'll ever go back to an amp... Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." mbiffle@svg.com >>> "K. Douglas Baldwin" 09/16 3:16 PM >>> > Hey gang! I am totally jazzed up on the Boss GT-3 (floor-type FX processor, lists for under $500). I am reviewing it for Guitar World and it is d-e-e-p, like that trench in the Pacific.... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 16 19:06:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18395; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:06:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:06:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909162253.PAA29405@scv2.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:53:04 -0500 Subject: Re: Boss GT-3 Processor and looping From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rlFmB3.0.Gh3.RJNut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 1800 ms. TH ---------- >From: KILLINFO@aol.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Boss GT-3 Processor and looping >Date: Thu, Sep 16, 1999, 5:31 PM > > How many seconds/milliseconds of delay does it have? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 16 19:28:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23391; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:28:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:28:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:07:50 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, hartne.t@apple.com Subject: Re: Boss GT-3 Processor and looping Resent-Message-ID: <"oOmbK2.0.Pa4.aYNut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Travis wrote... > Of course, it does have that irritating external power source... The GT-5 has an AC cable, so that's one of the pros of going with the 5. Delay time is 1800ms, so a longer looper would certainly be nice. It's pretty amazing what you can to with just that short time though when you can still change sounds and create variety with swept filters, etc. Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." mbiffle@svg.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 16 19:30:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23861; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:30:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:30:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990916232921.19863.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:29:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: absolut mess To: wb5150@earthlink.net, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"ajboZ1.0.ee5.doNut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Z. Many months ago I had a problem with blowing fuses in one of my echoplexii. I bought the same size replacements (i forget, is it 1/4 amp?, and they blew too. I dissasembled and inspected the echoplex for any shorts, found nothing wrong. I noticed that the fuses would not necessarily blow right away, but might take several power cycles to blow. I watched several fuses on power up and saw that they emitted a flash of light on power up (but the fuse was still intact). When I measured the fuse resistance before and after a flash, I saw that the resistance was increasing on the fuse, after it flashed. Next time or 2 I powered the edp up the fuse would blow. I tried different brands of fuses, nothing seemed to work very long. I took a fuse out of another working echoplex (factory original fuse), put it in the offending echoplex, and no problem, the fuse did not blow. I put a replacement fuse in the good edp, and the replacement would blow just like in the other edp. I could not see any difference in the factory original fuse that worked and my replacement fuses that blew quickly. I measured the current draw from the edp that first blew the fuse, and my other 2 edp, and saw no difference in current draw. In desparation I installed a slightly larger fuse (kids don't try this at home). It worked then, and has worked fine for months now. My only guess is that the edp is drawing surge current (on power up) very close to the original fuses limits, and that the 1/4 amp replacements I bought were on the low end of the distribution (of current req'd to blow the fuse). Disclaimer: Your mileage may vary, proceed at your own risk. It is dangerous to put in a larger fuse than the manufacturer recommends. Don't blame me if your edp really has a problem, and it burst into flames if you put a larger fuse in it. bret --- wb5150@earthlink.net wrote: > My EDP has inexplicably blown two fuses in the past > week. Has anyone > else suffered through this dilemma? If so, were > there strange causal > factors involved? Also, which intoxicants seemed to > work best during the > downtime? > > Z. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 16 20:26:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03938; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:26:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:26:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dlangenes@aol.com Message-ID: <8a751fcb.2512db04@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:45:08 EDT Subject: order of pedals To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"fklbp.0.If6.m4Out"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Folks, I'm an acoustic player recently converted to electric with a number of pedals in my rep. could use advice from you veterans about the order in which they might best perform in my setup. also, should i be putting them in my amp's effects loop? which ones? why? i'm ignorant. please fill me in, people. here they are: Boss Chromatic Tuner Pedal Boss Reverb/Delay Boss Compression/Sustainer Boss Tremelo/Pan Electro Harmonix Small Stone Digitech Whammy/Wah Rat Nobels Preamp/Boost Thanks in advance David From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 16 21:35:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18169; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:35:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:35:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <61ed232d.2512eff4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:14:28 EDT Subject: Re: Boss GT-3 Processor and looping To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"3-NrW3.0.Aa3.XOPut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 9/16/99 9:57:35 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, mbiffle@svg.com writes: << I doubt that I'll ever go back to an amp... >> m n m.............what do you mean?............m n m From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 16 22:03:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24706; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:03:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:03:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37E19ACE.6B6E3DF3@minds-eye.org> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:35:11 -0400 From: kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Jam Man sighting References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5CUXU3.0.aR4.2hPut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Buried in an add from yesterday CAVEAT Don't mail me I don't have it. See the bottom of the add I have some equipment I would like to sell. Items range from musical instruments to professional music recording equipment. If interested please e-mail me. Thanks. The items are as follows: Aphex Model 103 Aural Exciter $150.00; Lexicon Jamman Sampler/Delay $250.00; Lexicon Alex $250.00; Digitech Studio Vocalist $700.00; Fender Gemini II Acoustic w/case $250.00; Ensoniq KT88 Keyboard $1,500.00; Dunlop Crybaby Wah Pedal $50.00; **Please note, all items are in mint condition and some items have never been used.** Seller: B.J. LoSchiavo, E-mail: rob399_00@yahoo.com (Profile) Location: RUNNEMEDE, NJ Post Date: 9/14/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 16 23:02:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06224; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 23:02:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 23:02:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37e1adce37e10db3@pat.genie.syncordia.net> (added by pat.genie.syncordia.net) X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:55:20 +0100 Subject: Unsubscribe From: "Graham Pattison" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"t0yZz.0.R71.-tQut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ---------- >From: "James Pokorny" >To: >Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik) >Date: Thu, Sep 16, 1999, 8:13 pm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Thursday, September 16, 1999 2:54 PM > Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik) > > >>the knitting factory == somewhat well-known venue in nyc >>nyc == New York City > > > And where would *that* be? ;-) > > James >>At 10:14 AM 9/16/99 PDT, someone wrote: >>>What town???? Do you think we all know you?????????????????????///// >>> >>> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 16 23:03:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06832; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 23:03:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 23:03:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8a751fcb.2512db04@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:56:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: order of pedals Resent-Message-ID: <"61ojW.0.oL1.qvQut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Folks, > >I'm an acoustic player recently converted to electric with a number of pedals >in my rep. could use advice from you veterans about the order in which they >might best perform in my setup. also, should i be putting them in my amp's >effects loop? which ones? why? i'm ignorant. please fill me in, people. > >here they are: > >Boss Chromatic Tuner Pedal >Boss Reverb/Delay >Boss Compression/Sustainer >Boss Tremelo/Pan >Electro Harmonix Small Stone >Digitech Whammy/Wah >Rat >Nobels Preamp/Boost > >Thanks in advance >David I'm sure some will have a more practical approach...but I'm for m the school that says.....EXPERIMENT....who knows what you'll find... Patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 16 23:33:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13058; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 23:33:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 23:33:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000e01bf00bb$d47cdb60$806ec8d0@computer> From: "postaldave" To: "Loopers" Subject: midi ???????? Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 23:21:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"cauUD2.0.Ko2.zHRut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've done a huge amount of work to get my dm4 sounding good so I can play my Zendrum. what's the best way to back up my setting in case the whole unit goes dead. I have a new computer with a awe 64 gold soundcard. I would like to dump the info into my computer instead of purchasing some midi storing device. side note.....still having loads of fun with my boomerang. I know now what they mean when they say "make you play better" I never knew I had a such bad tempo control until I had to play with something that wouldn't give.lol .........it really has inproved my playing. postaldave@qx.net and yes I am a postal worker. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 00:28:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27239; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:28:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:28:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37E1BDC8.77A94AAB@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:04:33 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: order of pedals References: <8a751fcb.2512db04@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"J0OqC2.0.hc4.dpRut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dlangenes@aol.com wrote: > Folks, > > I'm an acoustic player recently converted to electric with a number of pedals > in my rep. could use advice from you veterans about the order in which they > might best perform in my setup. also, should i be putting them in my amp's > effects loop? which ones? why? i'm ignorant. please fill me in, people. > > here they are: > > Boss Chromatic Tuner Pedal > Boss Reverb/Delay > Boss Compression/Sustainer > Boss Tremelo/Pan > Electro Harmonix Small Stone > Digitech Whammy/Wah > Rat > Nobels Preamp/Boost > > Thanks in advance > David oh yeah, i almost forgot. get a looper! lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 00:35:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29544; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:35:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:35:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37E1C39F.138C@epix.net> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:29:19 -0400 From: The Kelley Residence Reply-To: okelley@epix.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: order of pedals References: <8a751fcb.2512db04@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EfC3R.0.uD5.80Sut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dlangenes@aol.com wrote: > > Folks, > > I'm an acoustic player recently converted to electric with a number of pedals > in my rep. could use advice from you veterans about the order in which they > might best perform in my setup. also, should i be putting them in my amp's > effects loop? which ones? why? i'm ignorant. please fill me in, people. > > here they are: > > Boss Chromatic Tuner Pedal > Boss Reverb/Delay > Boss Compression/Sustainer > Boss Tremelo/Pan > Electro Harmonix Small Stone > Digitech Whammy/Wah > Rat > Nobels Preamp/Boost > > Thanks in advance > David A more "introductory" order would be: tuner compressor whammy/wah pre-amp rat \ or small stone/ reversed tremolo reverb/delay Distorions like to be ahead of delays, choruses, flangers, etc. But as always experiment. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 00:35:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29536; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:35:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:35:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006601bf00c4$0511b5e0$e881dacf@stepheng> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: Subject: Zoom 2100 Continued Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:20:47 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"ut9c21.0.gz5.i6Sut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, I've been learning the interface for this lil' item, which presently screams for me to create my own patches, though I've only had my hands (or feet, considering the pedals, and as I can click the little buttons for parameters with my toes) on it for several days. So far, so good! I did up a piece called "Wet Detective Street" last night, taking very little time of preparation in comparison with the playing-recording of it. I may post the bit soon - it's designed to be used as an ongoing loop for, say, the background music of a wet street seen from a decreasing crane shot, the figures below in trenchcoat and hat, but out of earshot. Well, as far as THIS track is concerned. It sort of wants more on top of it, but I think that's an interactive feature. We'll see. Meantime, I R Happy Camper with the Zoom 2100 - though I wish the 16/32 second sample was sound-on-sound... :) Perhaps that could happen with a memory augmentation/tweak...? Stephen Goodman * It's the free Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html * (Hear the NEW "Star Spangled Banner" here!) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 00:39:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA30533; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:39:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:39:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37E1BD21.B520EFED@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:01:44 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: order of pedals References: <8a751fcb.2512db04@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QUr7l3.0.BQ4.nnRut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dlangenes@aol.com wrote: > Folks, > > I'm an acoustic player recently converted to electric with a number of pedals > in my rep. could use advice from you veterans about the order in which they > might best perform in my setup. also, should i be putting them in my amp's > effects loop? which ones? why? i'm ignorant. please fill me in, people. > > here they are: > > Boss Chromatic Tuner Pedal > Boss Reverb/Delay > Boss Compression/Sustainer > Boss Tremelo/Pan > Electro Harmonix Small Stone > Digitech Whammy/Wah > Rat > Nobels Preamp/Boost well, you have more than a few choices. what i've come to know as a more or less *standard* approach is compression/boost up front (guitar end), then wah, then overdrive/distortion, then reverb/delay, and finally modulation effects (phaser/trem...). but take this with a big grain of salt, because many useful sounds can be had by switching the order of one or several (and maybe all) of the effects in your chain. also, its really best to start with fewer rather than more, because the more devices in your signal chain, generally the weaker/thinner the sound coming out of your amp. it's like color. if you think of color as additive, i.e. when you keep adding colors you get richer color, but if you add too many you get mud (sometimes mud is fun, though). sometimes you get white, if you're dealing with reflective color (then your tone just sort of vanishes, generally not a good thing). another thought is to look at the effects you have as spices in your kitchen, i.e. if you like your basic guitar/amp sound (since you didn't say what you have, i"ll assume for the sake of argument that you like it and are not trying to make up for inadequacies in these two components, which usually no amount of pedal power will overcome), then consider the guitar/amp as the meat (or soy) of your meal; you'll then need to decide which spices will be complementary. it's unlikely all tof them will taste good together, in fact they'll probably drown out the flavor of the meat (not to mention the soy, which hasn't a lot of flavor to begin with), so start conservatively. try a dash of compression with the rat. run the compressor after the rat to see what effect this has...add the reverb/delay. with just these three components, play around with various settings. switch pickups. alter the tone/gain of your guitar or amp. take away the compression. alter your playing style (trade plectrum for fingers or vice-versa). throw in the whammy/wah. lose the rat and add the preamp & trem. toss them all and start over. take notes (but don't make yourself crazy). if you love a particular combination, definitely write it down somewhere. above all, have fun. buy quality patch cords and get together a supply of spare 9v batteries. best, lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 02:31:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA27081; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:31:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:31:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37e1adce37e10db3@pat.genie.syncordia.net> (added by pat.genie.syncordia.net) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:20:19 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Unsubscribe Resent-Message-ID: <"_4Xv_2.0.zL5.pmTut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What? leaving? lets have fun sometimes. I had my laugh Thank you! >---------- >>From: "James Pokorny" >>To: >>Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik) >>Date: Thu, Sep 16, 1999, 8:13 pm >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sean >> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> Date: Thursday, September 16, 1999 2:54 PM >> Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik) >> >> >>>the knitting factory == somewhat well-known venue in nyc >>>nyc == New York City >> >> >> And where would *that* be? ;-) >> >> James >>>At 10:14 AM 9/16/99 PDT, someone wrote: >>>>What town???? Do you think we all know you?????????????????????///// ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 02:27:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25023; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:27:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:27:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dlangenes@aol.com Message-ID: <1f88c0ce.2513342d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:05:33 EDT Subject: re: order of pedals To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"CtoLj2.0.Eb4.ifTut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com thanks tons for the advice! i can't believe this forum is free... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 02:28:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25365; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:28:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:28:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990916232921.19863.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:16:46 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: absolut mess Resent-Message-ID: <"U8O6F.0.w75.mjTut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >--- wb5150@earthlink.net wrote: >> My EDP has inexplicably blown two fuses in the past >> week. Has anyone >> else suffered through this dilemma? If so, were >> there strange causal >> factors involved? Also, which intoxicants seemed to >> work best during the >> downtime? >I took a fuse out of another working echoplex (factory >original fuse), put it in the offending echoplex, and >no problem, the fuse did not blow. I put a >replacement fuse in the good edp, and the replacement >would blow just like in the other edp. I could not see >any difference in the factory original fuse that >worked and my replacement fuses that blew quickly. > >I measured the current draw from the edp that first >blew the fuse, and my other 2 edp, and saw no >difference in current draw. > >In desparation I installed a slightly larger fuse >(kids don't try this at home). It worked then, and >has worked fine for months now. > >My only guess is that the edp is drawing surge current >(on power up) very close to the original fuses limits, >and that the 1/4 amp replacements I bought were on the >low end of the distribution (of current req'd to blow >the fuse). about every transformer driven machine draws more at power up. "slow blow" fuses are made for this. Did you get those or the quick ones? ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 03:45:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18689; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:45:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:45:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:21:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeffery Hildebrand X-Sender: jscotth@logan.ucdavis.edu To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: boomerang... for sale? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"hyVtv2.0.WD3.AmUut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com don't know if any of you can afford it or not, but i do know that for whatever reason, guitarcenter does not carry the boomerang presently... if you've got a KORG TRITON PROX, then i'll trade you my boomerang, or you can buy my boomerang for a whole lot, enought to buy me a TRITON. i have a brand new boomerang, but there's only one thing in the world that i love more, and that's a triton. (SOB .... SOB SOB.....) love, Triton ProX From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 03:46:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18819; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:46:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:46:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:05:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Stew Benedict To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: wb5150@earthlink.net Subject: Re: absolut mess In-Reply-To: <19990916232921.19863.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"-TSSh.0.i02.ZXUut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Could be slo-blow fuses are the original part? May devices have a higher inrush at power-up than normal operation. Kim? Stew From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 03:49:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA19812; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:49:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:49:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37E1FE83.53A5DEE2@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:40:36 +0100 From: Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: fifth References: <199909162203.SAA03800@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"c6d7R3.0.bH4.B1Vut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I also ly a fifth tuned guitar for about 5 or 6 years. The only problem I came with was string tension... And proper strinf brand taht woudn't break. Funnily, despite iterative standing from almost evryone about, there no such difference, only 2 or 3 string makers in the world and bla bla bla, I found BIG differences when it came to tone and resiliance to breakage under high stress (not me, the strings!) situations. Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 07:02:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA26287; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:02:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:02:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <19990916232921.19863.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:27:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: absolut mess Resent-Message-ID: <"mf3rc1.0.V45.VVXut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Could be slo-blow fuses are the original part? May devices have a higher >inrush at power-up than normal operation. Kim? > >Stew I think slo-blow is great. That'll definitely prevent premature popping of your fuse from a fast in-rush. sorry. ;-) I think they use fast-blow fuses, probably a better quality brand than the one you got at der radio hack. We originally put in .25A, 250V fast blow fuses. I don't know what they've done since. Using a slo-blow would be fine, I think. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 07:04:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA26965; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:04:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:04:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1f88c0ce.2513342d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:10:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: re: order of pedals Resent-Message-ID: <"1Ayuj3.0.-35.2VXut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >thanks tons for the advice! i can't believe this forum is free... It is? hey! nobody told me that! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 07:34:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA32074; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:34:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:34:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909171059.MAA29887@logatome.micronet.fr> X-Sender: plionnet@mail.francenet.fr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:00:10 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Pierre LIONNET Subject: Filters? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ZF51a.0.YR6.l_Xut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello people, I've been on the list for months now, and I want to seize a chance to say how much I appreciate the traffic it generates (although most of it is definitely out of my reach...). I have a question for all those loop gurus out there. I make loop music and I've recently started experimenting with very low-fi sampling (i.e. sampling at frequencies of 8 and 4 kHz...) The results can be very interesting because the loops change dramatically and new textures appear. Also I like to slow down the loops until drums sound like waves of an ocean from a planet far away and bass lines create a low vibration in the speakers rather than a proper sound or melody. Snares become pretty scary too... But here I have a problem: along with these interesting new sounds, the lo-fi samples will often also produce a disturbing hiss which I'd like to get rid off. I would also like to be able to toy with the sounds produced by my sampler and possibly compress the sound to get it more compact (I don't know if I'm clear enough). Can anybody suggest a device I could insert between the *line out* of my sampler and the *line in* of my amplifier to achieve a more compact, rounder sound and filter out some frquencies to eventually get rid of the hiss? For those interested here's my (super simple) setup: Akai s20 sampler MIDI controlled by a Yamaha QY70 sequencer (I don't use the voice generator of the QY, I only use it to trigger samples). The line out of the Akai goes to a mixer then to the amp or recorder (the recording device is presently DEAD, it was a SHARP MS702 MD recorder). The line 2 of the mixer I use for voice. Incidentally, I was recently given a BOSS VT1 voice tansformer. Interseting but (apparently) limited. Anybody with hints or a manual on how to use this device? Thank you all. Peace. PiR [aka FreezerMan] The Akai s20 page (in French): http://persoweb.francenet.fr/~plionnet/FreezerMan/musique.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 09:03:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15885; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:03:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:03:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:44:41 +0100 (BST) From: Jim Carter To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: absolut mess In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"miOqx.0.sR._dYut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Kim Flint wrote: > I think slo-blow is great. That'll definitely prevent premature popping of > your fuse from a fast in-rush. > and if these don't work simply use a paper clip or nail instead of the fuse, but make sure it sticks out from the fuse holder by at least and inch to improve heat dispersion. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 09:03:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15855; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:03:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:03:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37E2266F.5954@club-internet.fr> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:30:55 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: LD CD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NAawA2.0.ll7.FPYut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim, Would it be possible to propose a little DJRND2 demo included in a next Looper's Delight CD volume ? Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 09:37:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24182; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:37:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:37:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990917114431.85113.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.137.170] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: re- unsubscribe The Von Potters - Accordian-loopers Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 04:44:31 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"vJlUk2.0.CQ.SdYut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm not Graham,I'm not leaving but since the goof is blamed on him and he's leaving...what's up with that Dude. Actually the Potter's are playing at the Women Care Center Oct 1st @ 23E.Beach in Watsonville Ca.. We are the the Von Potter Family Loopers,the only Accordian-Looping Family in the World. Papa starts,then Mama and the six children follow, no echoplex, no jamman, no boomerang, no gadgets...just pure accordian looping at it's finest. With sychonized leider-hosen. See you all there! Papa Dave >From: Matthias Grob >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Unsubscribe >Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:20:19 -0300 > > > >What? leaving? lets have fun sometimes. I had my laugh >Thank you! > > >---------- > >>From: "James Pokorny" > >>To: > >>Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik) > >>Date: Thu, Sep 16, 1999, 8:13 pm > >> > > > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Sean > >> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >> Date: Thursday, September 16, 1999 2:54 PM > >> Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik) > >> > >> > >>>the knitting factory == somewhat well-known venue in nyc > >>>nyc == New York City > >> > >> > >> And where would *that* be? ;-) > >> > >> James > >>>At 10:14 AM 9/16/99 PDT, someone wrote: > >>>>What town???? Do you think we all know you?????????????????????///// > > > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 11:28:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18273; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:28:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:28:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Dlangenes@aol.com'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: order of pedals Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:00:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"KtIiM2.0.QW7.Ciaut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I always tried to use follow the "Kirkdorffer Directives" in stomp-box ordering. 1) Place at the end of the chain, the effect that generates the most "system noise" or "muddiness" -- so that all that system noise doesn't become "effected" by subsequent devices. In my case, I have a FUZZ Factory at the end. 2) Place at the beginning of the chain the effect that can give the most gain when turned on, to help "push" your signal through all those little cables and pedals and up to your hungry amp. In my case, I've added a line boost. I hope that helps. david k -----Original Message----- From: lance glover [mailto:baumhaus@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 12:02 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: order of pedals Dlangenes@aol.com wrote: > Folks, > > I'm an acoustic player recently converted to electric with a number of pedals > in my rep. could use advice from you veterans about the order in which they > might best perform in my setup. also, should i be putting them in my amp's > effects loop? which ones? why? i'm ignorant. please fill me in, people. > > here they are: > > Boss Chromatic Tuner Pedal > Boss Reverb/Delay > Boss Compression/Sustainer > Boss Tremelo/Pan > Electro Harmonix Small Stone > Digitech Whammy/Wah > Rat > Nobels Preamp/Boost From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 11:29:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18460; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:29:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:29:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990917140037.006c4890@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:00:37 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: leocavallo Subject: Re: Filters? Resent-Message-ID: <"eHaPb1.0.8B7.Dcaut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com there're various toys out there that I think could be useful to have a cleanaer and stronger signal from your sampler: basicly a good use of compressors, noise gates, EQs or low pass filters could make great difference. ciao leo At 13.00 17/09/99 +0200, you wrote: >Hello people, > >I've been on the list for months now, and I want to seize a chance to say >how much I appreciate the traffic it generates (although most of it is >definitely out of my reach...). > >I have a question for all those loop gurus out there. > >I make loop music and I've recently started experimenting with very low-fi >sampling (i.e. sampling at frequencies of 8 and 4 kHz...) >The results can be very interesting because the loops change dramatically >and new textures appear. Also I like to slow down the loops until drums >sound like waves of an ocean from a planet far away and bass lines create a >low vibration in the speakers rather than a proper sound or melody. Snares >become pretty scary too... > >But here I have a problem: along with these interesting new sounds, the >lo-fi samples will often also produce a disturbing hiss which I'd like to >get rid off. I would also like to be able to toy with the sounds produced >by my sampler and possibly compress the sound to get it more compact (I >don't know if I'm clear enough). > >Can anybody suggest a device I could insert between the *line out* of my >sampler and the *line in* of my amplifier to achieve a more compact, >rounder sound and filter out some frquencies to eventually get rid of the >hiss? > >For those interested here's my (super simple) setup: >Akai s20 sampler MIDI controlled by a Yamaha QY70 sequencer (I don't use >the voice generator of the QY, I only use it to trigger samples). The line >out of the Akai goes to a mixer then to the amp or recorder (the recording >device is presently DEAD, it was a SHARP MS702 MD recorder). >The line 2 of the mixer I use for voice. > >Incidentally, I was recently given a BOSS VT1 voice tansformer. Interseting >but (apparently) limited. Anybody with hints or a manual on how to use this >device? > >Thank you all. > >Peace. > >PiR [aka FreezerMan] >The Akai s20 page (in French): >http://persoweb.francenet.fr/~plionnet/FreezerMan/musique.html > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 11:29:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18518; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:29:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:29:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:14:17 EDT Subject: question re: quadraverb To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"qCrWT.0.88.4raut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i have an alesis Q2, it has a universal mute setting that totally removes the input signal so that all that comes out is the effected signal rather than a mix of the two.......when i do this, everything sounds muddy (?) although interesting.......is there a way of cleaning up the effected signal without re-adding the direct signal?....ideas?........last nite after reading the glowing reports on the boss gt3 here, i went to harmony-central and read all the reviews on it........G.A.S.!!!!!!!!!!!........so rather than being killed in my sleep by my wonderful family for buying another piece of gear i figured that i would dig into what i have and "really" see what it can do.........so any quadraverb hints would be most welcome.......off list please........thanks.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 11:54:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24702; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:54:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:54:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: klowy@pop.wrinklemuzik.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004f01bf0087$383efbe0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:28:39 -0400 To: "Dennis W. Leas" , From: kenn lowy Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik) Resent-Message-ID: <"gyy0J3.0.4t.T0but"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com thanks for all your support! looking forward to hearing about all your gigs too. klowy At 4:05 PM -0500 9/16/99, Dennis W. Leas wrote: >No, no, no. It's "The Nyce Potters" playing their Lowery organs in Hammond, >Indiana. The show is called "Feat of Clay." > >Dennis Leas >----------------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: paul buelow >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Date: Thursday, September 16, 1999 11:02 AM >Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik) > > >>Yes I just heard that the NYC Potters will be looping in >>Lowry, Indiana. >> >>Awesome, >>PB >> >>"Taaffe, Denis G" wrote: >>> >>> Wow great, >>> >>> Ken lowry is going to be playing a gig in potters,IN (population >>> 12)? >>> >>> Cool >>> DT >>> >>> - >>> Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik) >>> >>> C'mon Potter! It's right in the Subject of the message... *-0 >>> >>> >>> "David Potter" 09/16 10:36 AM >>> >>> What town???? Do you think we all know >>> you?????????????????????///// >> wrinklemuzik (aka kenn lowy) music for the sonic age (by way of the ebow) http://www.wrinklemuzik.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 12:04:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27070; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:04:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:04:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909171454.HAA06718@scv2.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:54:14 -0500 Subject: FS: tc 2290 $900 (Harmony Central) From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"C8jR62.0.7P2.yObut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com FS T.C. Electronic Gear Asking Price: US$N/A Condition: Mint Age: N/A Description: Hello there, Need to sell t.c. 2290 $900.00 Also t.c. 1210 spatial expander $550.00 Digitech tsr-24s $300.00 Digitech dhp-55 $275.00 Thanks, Peter Seller: Pete Penzone, E-mail: ceam@aol.com (Profile) Location: HILLIARD, OH Post Date: 9/16/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 12:22:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31635; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:22:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:22:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:17:28 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Nemoguitt@aol.com Subject: Re: Boss GT-3 Processor and looping Resent-Message-ID: <"LR3sD.0.Ru3.Fmbut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com mbiffle@svg.com writes: << I doubt that I'll ever go back to an amp... >> Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." mbiffle@svg.com >>> 09/16 6:33 PM >>> m n m.............what do you mean?............m n m Hi Michael... I mean a guitar amp... I typically run direct to a mixing console or into a full range pair of speakers. Live, that means my drumbox and sampler sounds great as well as the guitar (thanks to the GT-5's excellent speaker simulations. I used to use HK Red Boxes with my Pearce amp). BTW: What are those cute m n m's surrounding your question? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 12:52:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05911; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:52:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:52:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01b901bf0120$76518b20$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: gig announcement Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:22:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"rQJyA.0.as4.Hzbut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OK, I guess it's my turn. :) * Solo Percussion with Spoken Word * Looping with two Echoplexi, lots of toys * Time: 6 - 9 PM, Saturday, September 18, 1999 * Location: Barnes and Noble Booksellers 2323 Sagamore Parkway South close to Tippecanoe Mall Lafayette Indiana USA Earth Sol system Milky Way galaxy local cluster Vigo Supercluster current Universe Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 13:27:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14505; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:27:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:27:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: CTM PowerMail 2.3 x-sender: matt@mail1.xoom.com Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:18:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matt Peterson Subject: Re(2): absolut mess Message-Id: <19990917091816.013547@smtp.xoom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_i8sr1.0.nQ7.bccut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Kim Flint copied: >> I think slo-blow is great. That'll definitely prevent premature popping of >> your fuse from a fast in-rush. Then on Fri, Sep 17, 1999, Jim Carter wrote: >and if these don't work simply use a paper clip or nail instead of >the fuse, but make sure it sticks out from the fuse holder >by at least and inch to improve heat dispersion. > I prefer a .38 round. You sure know when it "pops". -Matt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 13:34:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16428; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:34:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:34:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37E270DA.6514@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:48:27 -0700 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Live looping in Oakland(Tablas and Bass) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5jUER3.0.fq7.jjcut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Roland Robles(tabla,urdo,hand percussion)and I(6-string fretless basses and loops) will be playing at the Temescal Cafe,4920 Telegraph Ave,51st and Telegraph.(510-595-4069) tomarrow, Sat.September 18th from 1.30 to 3.30pm Please stop by if you like and you're in the area! this has the potential for becoming a regular thing in which case I'd really like to invite other loopist's and lead instruments to sit in w/us. Scott Kungha Drengsen http://www.basscapes.com P.S.We're also looking for a cool name for the project From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 13:31:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15943; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:31:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:31:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:45:18 EDT Subject: our friend the electron To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"0MWyV2.0.tV5.w8cut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com An element of the Kirkdorffer Directives states: << Place at the beginning of the chain the effect that can give the most gain when turned on, to help "push" your signal through all those little cables and pedals and up to your hungry amp. >> Which brings up an interesting point: Many of the electrons that your local power company sells you are used, and some are even dead. (Yet they charge you for new ones.) Kirkdorffer has a valuable lesson for us. Perhaps another useful idea would be to place at the end of the signal path the component that electrons desire most. I know for us loopers, that is usually the looping device itself. After all, what electron would NOT want to see him- or herself duplicated ad infinitum? What a boost to the self-esteem of our tiny friend! Kevin Brunkhorst From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 13:44:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19307; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:44:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:44:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990917162544.16402.rocketmail@web207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:25:44 -0700 (PDT) From: M T Reply-To: mt@motiontek.com Subject: Re: order of pedals To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"30GDD.0.m7.lmcut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey - I was wondering about this a few months ago, and the list really helped me out. For another resource, however, check out www.harmony-central.com, and find the article called something like "avoiding GAS (guitar acquisition syndrome)#6: building a professional pedalboard" I found it to be very helpful, and there is a diagram you can refer to to refresh your memory. Michael __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 14:09:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26529; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:09:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:09:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37E27A89.D9EFCA4@webms.com> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:29:45 -0700 From: paul buelow Organization: WebMS X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: midi ???????? References: <000e01bf00bb$d47cdb60$806ec8d0@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nAn6M3.0.aT3.xcdut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com postaldave wrote: > > I've done a huge amount of work to get my dm4 sounding good so I can play my > Zendrum. what's the best way to back up my setting in case the whole unit > goes dead. I have a new computer with a awe 64 gold soundcard. I would like > to dump the info into my computer instead of purchasing some midi storing > device. Use a midi librarian. Cubase is capable of doing it with the studio module or Galalxy librarian. Get or receive the dump of settings particualarly the trigger settings. You can use a generic librarian and do a bulk dump or preferably a librarian or editor designed specifically for DM4. I recently had trouble and had no librarian so I found one on the web that created a .sys file that is stored. The shareware program is called audionaut? Any way it only works for free 30 times or so but you can use it to store the settings and send them to the device. The process requires two midi cables and the device set to MIDI thru -I think. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 14:09:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26520; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:09:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:09:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: <45e97d65.2513d3ae@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:26:06 EDT Subject: gigs To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"LJeyD.0._V3.Yddut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'll be looping with Canadian singer-songwriter Douglas September at The Borderlines Manette Street London Tuesday Sept. 21st 9:00 pm. Radio 2 (from Holland) Friday the 24th best to all, Robby Aceto From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 14:01:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24588; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:01:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:01:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37E27523.331F@voicenet.com> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:06:43 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Performance tonight (9/17/99) Phila , Pa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XPDNM.0.Me2.oQdut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com As Part of the Philadelphia Fringe Festival, the Fresh Ears, New Hearing composers evening will include some loop based performances tonight: "Improvisation #6" for Electronic Percussion and tape by Douglas Ovens "Night Nurse" Sound sculpture of electronic instruments and voice loops by David Talento (aka: Me) "Soundscape for Flute and Tape" by Caryn Block There will also be three other performances ranging from Cello solos to Singer-songwriter stuff. It will not be your average academic or bar band show. Come and check it out. This evening is part of the 15 day Fringe Festival (www.pafringe.com) and a second evening of the New Composers Series will include pieces by other interesting arists with some looposity as well. Tonight, Friday 9/17/99 8:30 PM St Georges Methodist Church 235 N 4th St. Phila. Pa (in Olde City) Tickets will be available at the door or hit up the Box office for info and a discount on multiple shows : (215) 413-1318 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 15:20:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12668; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:20:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:20:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990917183519.6861.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:35:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: absolut mess To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"A-tBz3.0.XB.pdeut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --- Matthias Grob wrote: > about every transformer driven machine draws more at > power up. > "slow blow" fuses are made for this. Did you get > those or the quick ones? Matthias, What you say is true. I originally replaced the edp fuse with the same type (fast blow) and value. If I recall correctly it was a 1/4 amp. After blowing 12 of these from 2 different manufacturers, I went with the next regular size up, 1/2 amp (I think) fast blow and this has worked fine for months. Incremental sizes between 1/4 amp and 1/2 amp are available, by mail order, but I did not experiment with these. bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 15:15:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10654; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:15:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:15:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:37:17 -0400 (EDT) From: wbf@aloft.micro.lucent.com (William_B_Fox) Message-Id: <199909171737.NAA03825@badboy.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Resent-Message-ID: <"nc9ol2.0.PG4.kndut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Playlist for "EMUSIC" "EMUSIC," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. http://www.wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html Show #N/A September 9, 1999. Host: Bill Fox http://www.wdiyfm.org billfox@fast.net While I was out of town, EMUSIC didn't happen because the person who was to fill in for me ran into trouble on the way to the station. There was no time to get yet another replacement. Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the EMUSIC pages. Playlists for every show are there. Hot links to artists and labels can be found in the monthly focus section. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 15:20:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12767; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:20:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:20:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37E2266F.5954@club-internet.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:37:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: LD CD Resent-Message-ID: <"SPvwT1.0.yP.Ggeut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 4:30 AM -0700 9/17/99, PERILLE wrote: >Kim, > >Would it be possible to propose a little DJRND2 demo included in a next >Looper's Delight CD volume ? > >Emmanuel I don't actually organize the CDs. That's done by people on the list who take the initiative and do it. So whoever organizes the next one will be the person to ask. Usually the CDs are about music and not gear demos, tho. We hear enough about gear on the list! Let some great music be the demo..... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 15:44:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19659; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:44:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:44:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37E2A1BE.E20E34DB@accessinn.com> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:17:02 -0700 From: Sven Anderson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: the albuquerque vacuum References: <000e01bf00bb$d47cdb60$806ec8d0@computer> <37E27A89.D9EFCA4@webms.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HEcqC2.0.qE3.gJfut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello i just joined this looping forum and enjoy its input into my otherwise senseless days at work. anyhow, i recently moved to albuquerque new mexico and have found myself in some sort of a cultural vacuum. despite my efforts to find electronic music/musique concrete/looping resources, i only dig up marriachi bands and awful fratboyish punkrock clubs. i must not be looking hard enough. i have clearly been spoiled by new york and london, with their overwhelmingly pressing event schedules. so, please, if anyone on this listserve knows of any interesting musical happenings in the new mexico region, PLEASE tell me! i am starving, so to speak. and if any of you live around here and want to collaborate, (first off i'm a poor, poor boy and have virtually no decent/useful equipment) i work mostly with really primitive feedback loops, enjoy pre-seventies musique concrete, contemporary krautrock and less danceable electronica, and noise/drone music. thanks --sven From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 15:38:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17590; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:38:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:38:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990917190553.478.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.225] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: gig announcement Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:05:53 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"VC_Z03.0.j02.w4fut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for being specific Dennis, I'm coming from a different Gallaxy and hate getting lost. I'll beam you up sometime to Jam. You won't need directions. Om and Out Papa Dave >From: "Dennis W. Leas" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: gig announcement >Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:22:32 -0500 > >OK, I guess it's my turn. :) > >* Solo Percussion with Spoken Word >* Looping with two Echoplexi, lots of toys >* Time: 6 - 9 PM, Saturday, September 18, 1999 >* Location: > Barnes and Noble Booksellers > 2323 Sagamore Parkway South > close to Tippecanoe Mall > Lafayette > Indiana > USA > Earth > Sol system > Milky Way galaxy > local cluster > Vigo Supercluster > current Universe > >Dennis Leas >----------------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 16:20:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28377; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:20:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:20:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002e01bf0146$545bbce0$4a6ec8d0@computer> From: "postaldave" To: Subject: Re: boomerang... for sale? Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:53:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Wv3uh3.0.xV5.Zpfut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What is a KORG TRITON PROX???????? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 16:02:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23895; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:02:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:02:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37E29613.27E35B6A@node.net> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:27:15 -0400 From: James Keepnews Reply-To: keepnews@node.net Organization: * - node - * X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Digitech 2120 Loop-a-Dope Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FDJi52.0.Re3.sOfut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Those parties utterly fascinated with the lifestyle choices of loopers and their diagrammed and/or listed "signal paths" should be, as always, be wary of past court decisions, which have upheld the criminalizing of certain behaviors within the state of Georgia. Those, however, who want to discuss what effects loopers use could probably give a rat's ass about such things -- although, re: rats/their asses, said parties might wish to review the above discussion re: Georgia/criminalizing of certain behaviors... But, whatever state you're in, you might be interested in the development of Digitech's line of integrated processing and its loopy application(s). I, myself, am a proud, deliriously pleased user of the Digitech 2112 tube preamp/processor (I am, unfortunately, a frustrated, embittered user of their Control One dedicated footpedal/continuous controller, which has been repaired three times already and currently needs to go in for Round 4; my frustrations with this floor controller do not end there, but enough about me). I consider the plenitude of effects available to be generally excellent and its tube distortion even-more-than-. In its off-the-rack state, one can access an infinitely-repeatable maximum of 2.8 seconds delay time. However, one can also, for the low, discount price of $75 (less labor should you not wish to sweat the replacement yourself), upgrade the processor in this unit to the newer 2120 version of same, bringing the delay time up to a salutary maximum of 10 seconds. I would recommend going the 2112-to-2120 route as it's much cheaper than getting a spanking new 2120 -- you might, for example, track down that fellow who's selling his 2112/Control One on harmony-central for $450 and replace the processor your darned self. Unlike other alleged "delay" units that are samplers in delay clothing, the Digitech unit(s) treat(s) the signal being delayed as a delayed signal, not an emulation of same -- changing the amount of time the signal delays, forexample, increases/decreases the signal's pitch accordingly. Plus which, you would be on the receiving end of all the attendant joys of 2112 ownership, not the least of which is the fielding of all those clever Alex Lifeson puns from rock music enthusiasts, of which, it turns out, there are many... ----------------------------------------------------------------- ~ > --- James Keepnews --- < "Don't quote anybody, Sir!" (.-.) > -- Multimedia Yahoo -- < \ * -- Krishnamurti - > - keepnews@node.net - < ----------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 17:33:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13058; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:33:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:33:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0DB5882@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: order of pedals Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:37:30 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"7mus72.0.wA.TUgut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > *standard* approach is compression/boost up front (guitar end), then wah, > then > overdrive/distortion, then reverb/delay, and finally modulation effects > (phaser/trem...). > ** i have a slightly different take as i like to have the delay (or reverb when i used to use one) as the very last thing in the chain. i like this because you get a delay of all the crap that you put into it - - and it's especially important if your delay(s) also act(s) as your looper(s) on occasion. the other thing is that some people think that you should have fuzz after trem/chorus (or uni-vibe) effects. if you have two fuzz/overdrive pedals, you can do one before and one after (since i have three i run one before a phaser/chorus, one after, then a trem, then another overdrive . . . they all yield different nuances in different orders). the other thing is that some pedals don't react well in combination after another sort of pedal, but sound amazing before that pedal for the same combination. it all comes down to the synergies of the pedals. as someone said: experiment, experiment, experiment. stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 17:39:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14581; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:39:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:39:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002501bf0153$05baba20$dc73d6d1@micronjenni> From: "Jenni Leeds" To: References: <199909172039.QAA32200@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Subject: 'Plex Paranoia! Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:24:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"H0x7Y2.0._I2.t0hut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 3:39 PM Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #374 All of these "problems" going down with different people's loopers is making me kind of nervous. Is there any care-taking tips out there from the elder loopers? Are there any steps that can be taken to preserve a long and illustrious life for my __________________ (insert any quality audio gear in the blank)? concerned looposopher, Jamie free33 forever From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 17:48:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16991; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:48:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:48:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:38:39 EDT Subject: Re: order of pedals To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"ILmFy2.0.GX3.EKhut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i agree with the experiment thing. the 1st thing i run through is a rocktron phaser pedal, then a tube preamp, 2 distortion pedals, tremelo pedal, volume pedal, and a dig. delay. i use the phaser 1st because i like the whacky things it can do to the distortion pedals which come after it. there is no wrong way to do this stuff. it isn't like gun safety where if you don't follow the rules you get your head blown off. mix it up! go nuts! =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 17:33:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13012; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:33:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:33:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: WANTED: Looping Drummers -- Boston Area. Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:45:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"zocVu2.0.-l.Mdgut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello - It's hard enough to find a drummer nowadays -- but I thought "hey, life's short -- go for your dreams!" -- so I'm looking for drummers in the Boston area who employs looping in their performance. I'm pulling together a show in November. David Kirkdorffer UNDO From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 19:08:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02850; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:08:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:08:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jax1723@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 18:39:54 EDT Subject: HEADRUSH To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"4r7Oi.0.ax6.HDiut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Did someone mention selling a Headrush on this list a few days ago? I thought I saved it but apparently did not. If it's still available you can email me privately and we can discuss the details. thanks -jack jax1723@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 20:33:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20177; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:33:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:33:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909180012.UAA30166@smtp6.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:18:02 -0400 Subject: Pedals For Sale From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3LRZ81.0.3w3.4ajut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have a electro HArmonix MEmory Man and a Electro Harmonix Q-Tron for sale and also a Mirage sampler name ur price make it reasonable. : > c.white From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 20:31:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19365; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:31:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:31:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909180011.UAA05629@smtp6.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:16:03 -0400 Subject: Re: Boomerangs: We Got 'Em From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"di53M3.0.gr3.vYjut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey bobdog did ya get the 1604? ---------- >From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory >To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" >Subject: Boomerangs: We Got 'Em >Date: Fri, Sep 17, 1999, 5:08 AM > >if anyone is interested in getting a boomerang, we just got a new >shipment at > >krazy kat music >210.737.0523 >www.krazykatmusic.com >krazy2@flash.net > >we'll sell them for $425 + shipping > >if interested *please contact me there*, not at my home email. > >thanks! > >bobdog > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 20:33:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20098; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:33:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:33:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909180018.UAA31087@smtp6.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:21:09 -0400 Subject: Re: the albuquerque vacuum From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"n2aP12.0.rA4.lfjut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com well sven you are my man but i live in Atlanta do you have a 4track we can trade sounds... take care c.white ---------- >From: Sven Anderson >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: the albuquerque vacuum >Date: Fri, Sep 17, 1999, 4:17 PM > >hello >i just joined this looping forum and enjoy its input into my otherwise senseless >days at work. > >anyhow, i recently moved to albuquerque new mexico and have found myself in some >sort of a cultural vacuum. despite my efforts to find electronic music/musique >concrete/looping resources, i only dig up marriachi bands and awful fratboyish >punkrock clubs. > >i must not be looking hard enough. i have clearly been spoiled by new york and >london, with their overwhelmingly pressing event schedules. > >so, please, if anyone on this listserve knows of any interesting musical >happenings in the new mexico region, PLEASE tell me! i am starving, so to speak. >and if any of you live around here and want to collaborate, (first off i'm a poor, >poor boy and have virtually no decent/useful equipment) i work mostly with really >primitive feedback loops, enjoy pre-seventies musique concrete, contemporary >krautrock and less danceable electronica, and noise/drone music. >thanks >--sven > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 21:27:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31060; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:27:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:27:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990918005636.21533.rocketmail@web128.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:56:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: absolut mess To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"lMknT3.0.g_5.ZDkut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I think they use fast-blow fuses, probably a better > quality brand than the > one you got at der radio hack. We originally put in > .25A, 250V fast blow > fuses. The origninal fuses in my 3 echoplex were definitely fast blow. I did try replacements from radio shack, but also bought the same brand as the original edp fuse from an electronics supplier. They all blew the same. 1/2 amp fast blow has been just fine. bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 22:24:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09674; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:24:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:24:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:12:07 EDT Subject: i wonder To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"Q480w2.0.uu1.lKlut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com am i missing some posts to the group?.........often, i am seeing answers to questions or responses to items that i dont remember reading the original post of..........am i just being paranoid and huh...........is there someone standing behind me right now?.............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 17 22:47:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14450; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:47:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:47:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Live looping in Oakland(Tablas and Bass) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:30:14 -0700 Message-ID: <001e01bf017d$bce92900$211ed1d1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <37E270DA.6514@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"Vj1NH3.0.513.xglut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Will be there. I'd also like to sit in later on. How about these: 5) Infiniticity 4) Rythmisms 3) Roland, Khungha & Co. 2) Fluid Plastick Art Station 1) Ummagumma Kungha and the Tunguska Dreamscapers I can come up with some more if you want... :-) | -----Original Message----- | From: scott kungha drengsen [mailto:kungha@earthlink.net] | Sent: Friday 17 September 1999 9:48 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Live looping in Oakland(Tablas and Bass) | | | P.S.We're also looking for a cool name for the project | From kflint@annihilist.com Sun Sep 19 15:12:46 1999 Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (mail-gw3.pacbell.net [206.13.28.55]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29670 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 15:12:46 -0400 Received: from [63.192.37.242] (adsl-63-192-37-242.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.37.242]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14342 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:12:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:12:50 -0700 To: looparc@annihilist.com From: "David Potter" (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Re: 'Plex Paranoia! shit happens...gear breaks...everything breaks...take a chance.. Eechoplex,jamman,boomerang, the list goes on and on...they all will break! Have Fun!!! >From: "Jenni Leeds" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: 'Plex Paranoia! >Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:24:27 -0500 > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 3:39 PM >Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #374 > >All of these "problems" going down with different people's loopers is >making >me kind of nervous. Is there any care-taking tips out there from the elder >loopers? Are there any steps that can be taken to preserve a long and >illustrious life for my __________________ (insert any quality audio gear >in the blank)? >concerned looposopher, > Jamie > free33 forever > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From kflint@annihilist.com Sun Sep 19 15:11:50 1999 Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (mail-gw3.pacbell.net [206.13.28.55]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29575 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 15:11:50 -0400 Received: from [63.192.37.242] (adsl-63-192-37-242.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.37.242]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13955 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:11:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:11:42 -0700 To: looparc@annihilist.com From: "Laurie Hatch" (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Re: Digital Answering Machine; slightly OFF-TOPIC > From: Tom Lambrecht [mailto:hideo@concentric.net] > Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 2:44 PM > > I thought you were DEAD . . . Not dead, just swamped. There's a difference: I'm having a real good time while gulping for air...%^) > wait to purchase that expensive rack module until you've thoroughly > exhausted the possibilities inherent in the Texas Instruments > Speak and #### > educational toys (using a jumper wire to short and trigger the PC > traces)--have the minidisc plugged in and ready--the results are > unpredictable and rarely reproducible So you're into this ed-u-ca-tion-al toy torture thing, huh Tom? Been goin' on long? YOU must be the guy slidin' through church basement rummage sales. Hooded snake-eyes glint past faded poodles and home-pierced barbies. There. The Speak n Spells! You contain intense excitement, electrified. The hand darts out. Walk normally BE COOOOL, cool and pay the lady a worn dollar bill clenched tight in the fist... Yeah, OK. So I'm feelin' pretty twisted tonight after repeatedly poking my answering machine in the face. ~~LH From kflint@annihilist.com Sun Sep 19 15:14:26 1999 Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (mail-gw.pacbell.net [206.13.28.25]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30361 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 15:14:26 -0400 Received: from [63.192.37.242] (adsl-63-192-37-242.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.37.242]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17053 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:14:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:14:30 -0700 To: looparc@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: RE: Live looping in Oakland(Tablas and Bass) Well, there's BassBols. (The "bass" half is obvious, your tabaliya can tell ya what a "bol" is if you're not familiar with the term...) If that's too silly, you could call the project Mandra Saptak. It's a term from Indian classical music meaning "the lower octave". But you'd probably have a lot of people asking "Which one of you is Mandra?" Jugalbandhi? It's a duet, though bass and tablas probably wouldn't technically be a jugalbandhi, and it sounds more like a project with this name would be using a one-stringed washtub bass and blowing across the top of a jug of moonshine. Lahara might be appropriate. It's the repetition of a melody underneath a featured tabla part. Since you WILL be looping that bass... Good luck with the gig, Tim >Live looping in Oakland(Tablas and Bass) > | > | > | P.S.We're also looking for a cool name for the project > | > > From kflint@annihilist.com Sun Sep 19 15:15:44 1999 Received: from mta2.snfc21.pbi.net (mta2.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.123]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30477 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 15:15:44 -0400 Received: from [63.192.37.242] (adsl-63-192-37-242.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.37.242]) by mta2.snfc21.pbi.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16533 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:15:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:15:48 -0700 To: looparc@annihilist.com From: "postaldave" (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Re: 'Plex Paranoia! "" From kflint@annihilist.com Sun Sep 19 15:19:30 1999 Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (mail-gw.pacbell.net [206.13.28.25]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31470 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 15:19:30 -0400 Received: from [63.192.37.242] (adsl-63-192-37-242.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.37.242]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18077 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:19:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:19:25 -0700 To: looparc@annihilist.com From: "postaldave" (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Re: 'Plex Paranoia! "shit happens...gear breaks...everything breaks...take a chance.. Eechoplex,jamman,boomerang, the list goes on and on...they all will break! Have Fun!!!" as far as my boomerang is concerned it is about as fragile as a hammer. sorry your high tech midi machines keep breaking.lol just kidding around.....don't turn this into a flame war. postaldave@qx.net yes I am a mailman. From kflint@annihilist.com Sun Sep 19 15:20:24 1999 Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31569 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 15:20:24 -0400 Received: from [63.192.37.242] (adsl-63-192-37-242.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.37.242]) by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13441 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:20:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:20:29 -0700 To: looparc@annihilist.com From: PMimlitsch@aol.com (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Re: i wonder In a message dated 9/18/99 2:23:55 AM, you wrote: <> Join the club - I thought it was just me :). - paul From kflint@annihilist.com Sun Sep 19 15:21:06 1999 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (mail-gw2.pacbell.net [206.13.28.53]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31664 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 15:21:06 -0400 Received: from [63.192.37.242] (adsl-63-192-37-242.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.37.242]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13781 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:20:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:21:10 -0700 To: looparc@annihilist.com From: "James Pokorny" (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Re: gig announcement Could you be a bit more specific on the location? ;-) James -----Original Message----- From: Dennis W. Leas To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 1:47 PM Subject: gig announcement >OK, I guess it's my turn. :) > >* Solo Percussion with Spoken Word >* Looping with two Echoplexi, lots of toys >* Time: 6 - 9 PM, Saturday, September 18, 1999 >* Location: > Barnes and Noble Booksellers > 2323 Sagamore Parkway South > close to Tippecanoe Mall > Lafayette > Indiana > USA > Earth > Sol system > Milky Way galaxy > local cluster > Vigo Supercluster > current Universe > >Dennis Leas >----------------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > > > From kflint@annihilist.com Sun Sep 19 15:23:11 1999 Received: from mta2.snfc21.pbi.net (mta2.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.123]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31812 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 15:23:11 -0400 Received: from [63.192.37.242] (adsl-63-192-37-242.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.37.242]) by mta2.snfc21.pbi.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20227 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:23:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:23:16 -0700 To: looparc@annihilist.com From: Echopark99@aol.com (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Re: the albuquerque vacuum In a message dated 9/17/99 12:43:57 PM, svena@accessinn.com writes: >so, please, if anyone on this listserve knows of any interesting musical >happenings in the new mexico region, PLEASE tell me! i am starving, so >to speak. Now that it's September, you might find something at the University. You could probably do the crudest concrete performance at a snack bar there and meet some potential collaboraters. If you get desperate, email me privately and maybe we could meet in Flagstaff, AZ. My girlfriend and I like to hang there, discharging from Los Angeles a few times a year. Sometimes I tote a simple loop rig to the Monte Vista Hotel, which has a fun lounge/bar/club and we've dropped in on a couple of open mikes and coffee joints and alternate between actual songs and 30 minutes of atmos-guitar loopies. Or we'll just hole up in the hotel room and duet with the freight train horns barrelling through town. I met some folks around the University who put me up in their house when my car broke down for three days. I didn't find any avant-music but these cats showed me some weird-ass home movies, and I bet they would dig any sountrack you might have scared up. They're somewhere up in Taos area now, if you haven't gone up there yet, the "out-there" factor is significant. good luck and write if you find work, eric p echo park From kflint@annihilist.com Sun Sep 19 15:29:27 1999 Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (mail-gw.pacbell.net [206.13.28.25]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00980 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 15:29:27 -0400 Received: from [63.192.37.242] (adsl-63-192-37-242.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.37.242]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20017 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:29:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:29:31 -0700 To: looparc@annihilist.com From: John Tidwell (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Re: Digitech 2120 Loop-a-Dope (I'M NOT ALONE!!!) I've got to pipe in & second that emotion! I upgraded my 2112 to 2120 status about a month ago & have not been able to stop looping on the damn thing! To say that it has a 10 sec. max delay time is not saying enough. For example, you could have two 10 sec. delays in parallel or series. You could have a string of 8 delays, each one capable of up to 2 sec. delay. Don't need that many delays? Swap out a few for some of the many other available effects. Up to 16 para- meters can be assigned to controllers per patch. Controller options are midi cc, Digitech Control 1, or the onboard modifiers: 2 LFOs (sin,tri,log,exp,sq) & 2 dynamic modifiers. 100 user slots are available to save your patches. All delays are capable of both positive & negative feedback, -99%-99%. With 1 or 2 exceptions, the delays can be set to 100% feedback (hold). I wish I had the ability & facility to let you hear it instead of boring the crap out of you with a list of features. This thing can't replace an EDP, but it can pull off some things that you would need 2 EDPs & a multi-fx box to accomplish. James is right. Because it hasn't gone over big with guitar players, you can find some good prices for used 2112s. The upgrade to 2120 can be had for under $100. The most common gripes about this unit,(in no partic- ular order) are: 1) The manual is 99% useless. (universal complaint) 2) No XLR outputs. (if you need'em, you need'em) 3) The wah doesn't sound like a Cry Baby. (it's not bad though) 4) It really can't nail that SRV,EVH,etc....tone. (I don't give a shit) 5) The seamless patch changes are not really seamless. (can't argue with this one) I could go on with more of the bitchfest, but I won't. There's a 2120 manual available for download at http://www.digitech.com if you want to look. I think those of you who cut your teeth looping on stomp boxes would have a blast with this thing. It has kept me distracted for a month now & I really feel that I've just scratched the surface. I'll be glad to answer any questions and will go ahead & head off the more obvious ones... No, it doesn't reverse delay. Yes, you can assign tap tempo to a footswitch to set a loop length. No, you can't route the output of an effect back to a prior effect. No, it doesn't do delay spill-over, at least not in the way that I recall dpc describing it. I should add that I don't agree with James about changing the delay time. Doing this on my 2120 would destroy the loop in a way that is not pleasing to my ears. I'll shut up now. John --- James Keepnews wrote: > But, whatever state you're in, you might be > interested in the > development of Digitech's line of integrated > processing and its loopy > application(s). I, myself, am a proud, deliriously > pleased user of the > Digitech 2112 tube preamp/processor (I am, > unfortunately, a frustrated, > embittered user of their Control One dedicated > footpedal/continuous > controller, which has been repaired three times > already and currently > needs to go in for Round 4; my frustrations with > this floor controller > do not end there, but enough about me). I consider > the plenitude of > effects available to be generally excellent and its > tube distortion > even-more-than-. In its off-the-rack state, one can > access an > infinitely-repeatable maximum of 2.8 seconds delay > time. However, one > can also, for the low, discount price of $75 (less > labor should you not > wish to sweat the replacement yourself), upgrade the > processor in this > unit to the newer 2120 version of same, bringing the > delay time up to a > salutary maximum of 10 seconds. I would recommend > going the 2112-to-2120 > route as it's much cheaper than getting a spanking > new 2120 -- you > might, for example, track down that fellow who's > selling his > 2112/Control One on harmony-central for $450 and > replace the processor > your darned self. Unlike other alleged "delay" units > that are samplers > in delay clothing, the Digitech unit(s) treat(s) the > signal being > delayed as a delayed signal, not an emulation of > same -- changing the > amount of time the signal delays, forexample, > increases/decreases the > signal's pitch accordingly. Plus which, you would be > on the receiving > end of all the attendant joys of 2112 ownership, not > the least of which > is the fielding of all those clever Alex Lifeson > puns from rock music > enthusiasts, of which, it turns out, there are > many... > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ~ > --- James Keepnews --- < "Don't quote > anybody, Sir!" > (.-.) > -- Multimedia Yahoo -- < > \ * -- > Krishnamurti > - > - keepnews@node.net - < > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > === John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From kflint@annihilist.com Sun Sep 19 15:32:11 1999 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (mail-gw2.pacbell.net [206.13.28.53]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01252 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 15:32:11 -0400 Received: from [63.192.37.242] (adsl-63-192-37-242.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.37.242]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16047 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:32:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:32:16 -0700 To: Recipient List Suppressed:; From: Jim Coker (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Re: the albuquerque vacuum OK, so I guess I'm making a public post, no matter what :) For ABQ music, check the Outpost (listings are in the weekly Alibi). I saw Pauline Oliveros there last year. There is also a small music group that is related to the Outpost that seems to do really off-the-wall stuff, but I can't remember who they were. Check for indian (east, not native) music shows in ABQ and SantaFe. There seems to be *something* at least every couple months. SantaFe also has an electro-acoustic music festival, which may have already happened this year, but I'm not sure. Drive up to there and grab the Santa Fe Reporter and check regularly for listing. If I remember correctly, I missed several interesting shows this past summer while slumming it in SF. For a *really good time* :), check out http://mediainstitute.csf.edu/ for one of their workshops next summer. A very interesting time. (This is highly recommended for all loopers). For instance, David Dunn has created some truly twisted patches for Reaktor, Mr. Subotnick shows some of his work (got to visit his home studio also ;), and Steina showed some truly twised video stuff made using a program called Image/ine (which is esentially an amazing video looper). Jim Jim Coker wrote: > > I Sven, i live in Abq, give me a call sometime (505 341 2660). > I'm in the middle of a big work project, and don't have much > time for a while, but I'll be here this week. Afternoons and > eves are the best time to call. I'm making a public post to > the looper list w/ places to check for music. > > Jim > > Sven Anderson wrote: > > > > hello > > i just joined this looping forum and enjoy its input into my otherwise >senseless > > days at work. > > > > anyhow, i recently moved to albuquerque new mexico and have found >myself in some > > sort of a cultural vacuum. despite my efforts to find electronic >music/musique > > concrete/looping resources, i only dig up marriachi bands and awful >fratboyish > > punkrock clubs. > > > > i must not be looking hard enough. i have clearly been spoiled by new >york and > > london, with their overwhelmingly pressing event schedules. > > > > so, please, if anyone on this listserve knows of any interesting musical > > happenings in the new mexico region, PLEASE tell me! i am starving, so >to speak. > > and if any of you live around here and want to collaborate, (first off >i'm a poor, > > poor boy and have virtually no decent/useful equipment) i work mostly >with really > > primitive feedback loops, enjoy pre-seventies musique concrete, >contemporary > > krautrock and less danceable electronica, and noise/drone music. > > thanks > > --sven From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Sep 19 15:40:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03163; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 15:40:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 15:40:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <72543f3d.25169240@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 15:23:44 EDT Subject: Re: Digitech 2120 Loop-a-Dope (I'M NOT ALONE!!!) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, wedgehed@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"ypPRy1.0._w7.nXJvt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com How much, effects wise, in the way of signal processing "modules" can you put in front of a 10 sec. delay module with "hold" capabilities? On my upgraded 2101 if I use a 5 sec. "hold" capable loop module it really limits the processing memory. Still looking for an all in one processor/ looper for those small, "do I really need this whole rack of stuff for this particular gig" gigs :). - paul From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 20 00:17:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11500; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 00:17:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 00:17:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990917114431.85113.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 01:17:28 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: re- unsubscribe The Von Potters - Accordian-loopers Resent-Message-ID: <"8mbsG3.0.7L2.8GRvt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I'm not Graham,I'm not leaving but since the goof is blamed on him and he's >leaving...what's up with that Dude. Actually the Potter's are playing at >the Women Care Center Oct 1st @ 23E.Beach in Watsonville Ca.. We are the >the Von Potter Family Loopers,the only Accordian-Looping Family in the >World. Papa starts,then Mama and the six children follow, no echoplex, no >jamman, no boomerang, no gadgets...just pure accordian looping at it's >finest. With sychonized leider-hosen. See you all there! Papa Dave > hey, thats phantastic, I thought it was a joke, sorry. Do you have a sample for us on some site, or dont you record the "loops" either? ;-) Matthias ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 20 01:12:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA24227; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 01:12:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 01:12:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Cornhilio2@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 01:07:05 EDT Subject: nord lead 1 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"5WBQC.0.5h5.e4Svt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com im selling a nord lead one for around 650 or 700 please e mail me for infoo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 20 01:14:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA24976; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 01:14:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 01:14:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990920050840.18133.rocketmail@web115.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 22:08:40 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Digitech 2120 Loop-a-Dope (I'M NOT ALONE!!!) To: PMimlitsch@aol.com Cc: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"hSZZX2.0.Yt5.Q7Svt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --- PMimlitsch@aol.com wrote: > How much, effects wise, in the way of signal > processing "modules" can you put > in front of a 10 sec. delay module with "hold" > capabilities? One of the 24 effects configuration "skeletons" would allow you to have up to four different digital effects before the 10 sec. delay/loop. Also consider that unlike the 2101, the wah-wah on the 2120 resides in the analogue section before the dual distortions. It sounds a whole lot better than the limp, digital wah on the 2101. I've had a lot of fun with a user patch consisting of: phase shifter > tremolo > 2 sec "analog" delay > reverb > 10 sec delay/loop. I use midi cc to turn individual effects on & off, alter reverb size, alter preamp tones, etc. You could also use a different skeleton to have a 10 sec loop feeding into a single effect. If you cut your "big" delay requirement down to 5 sec max, you open up even more options as more of the skeletons become available for use. If you're into the micro/granular looping thing you can make this thing sing like a synthesizer. John === John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 20 03:59:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25636; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 03:59:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 03:59:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: camao@camsg001.camb.scee.sony.co.uk Message-ID: <37E5E6A2.2762D391@scee.sony.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 08:47:46 +0100 From: Os X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: gig announcement - cambridge UK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3SgUz.0.zo5._RUvt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi. Just to alert you to a loop-heavy gig this thursday (23rd) in cambridge (UK). Full details at http://www.collective.co.uk/darkroom/ thanks, -- Os os@scee.sony.co.uk os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 20 04:45:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA01680; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 04:45:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 04:45:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01e601bf0342$bf410ee0$57c0d6d1@oemcomputer> From: "Elaine Walters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Boomerang and guitar Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 03:32:55 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"wIyio3.0.9w7.a9Vvt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Curious to hear from the guitar players out there who are using the Rang without an FX loop. In other words, the guitar hits the Rang before it gets to the front/preamp of an amplifier. Any problems with noise?? MicahH From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 20 07:34:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01859; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 07:34:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 07:34:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:24:33 +0100 (BST) From: JF Carter To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boss GT-3 Processor and looping In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"-buwi3.0.hn7.dcXvt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Can any GT-3/-5 users help with some info.? Do these babies have good old fashioned pitch shifters as per GX-700, ME-30, ME-8. The specs. and reviews I've seen mention "harmoniser" but on the older systems this is used to describe the "intellegent pitch shifters" ie key related not the good old fashioned ones that I know and love. There is something wonderful about playing a stock scale pattern but having little idea of the key of the resultant sound until you try and play along with it. Give me pitch shifters - I ain't moving until I get pitch shifters! Jim Carter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 20 07:33:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01740; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 07:33:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 07:33:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:27:43 +0100 (BST) From: JF Carter To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: i wonder In-Reply-To: <68470a21.25155ef1@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"c9v-S1.0.IE.PgXvt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > In a message dated 9/18/99 2:23:55 AM, you wrote: > > < questions or responses to items that i dont remember reading the original > post of..........>> > > Join the club - I thought it was just me :). - paul > Deja Vu, I don't remember seeing the original post for this! Isn't this just part of the getting old thing? like when you go into a loop and can't remember why? Jim Carter > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 20 09:11:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23017; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:11:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:11:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37E63174.BFC2133A@node.net> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:07:01 -0400 From: James Keepnews Reply-To: keepnews@node.net Organization: * - node - * X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Tidwell CC: Loopers Delight Subject: Re: Digitech 2120 Loop-a-Dope (I'M NOT ALONE!!!) References: <19990919074317.2764.rocketmail@web130.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Jnzdo.0.wJ5.p3Zvt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com John Tidwell wrote: > The most common gripes about this unit,(in no partic- > ular order) are: > > 1) The manual is 99% useless. (universal complaint) Perfect -- I can't read... > 2) No XLR outputs. (if you need'em, you need'em) I don't "need"-need them -- maybe once Fender Vibroluxes start offering them stock (by then, we'll all have moved to USB anyway, eh? I say, "eh?"?) > 3) The wah doesn't sound like a Cry Baby. (it's not > bad though) I do not now, nor have I ever, hear/d a multi-fx unit convincingly recreate a good pedal wah sound (envelope following is something else, and lucky for us...) > 4) It really can't nail that SRV,EVH,etc....tone. > (I don't give a shit) Can't you (and/or don't you?)? Are you _not_ playing a Fender and a Kramer simultaneouly? Seriously, the big sting on the blues and a way-compressed tap flava aren't capable on this yhere bad boy? I wonder -- try tweaking the amp emulators...it never occured to me to sound like either of them...I'm shooting for that Eddie Durham sound... > 5) The seamless patch changes are not really seamless. > (can't argue with this one) They're not really abrupt, either. My main musical cohort these days plays a half-rack Lexicon that he wishes had the smooth transition of patches as my 2112. > No, it doesn't reverse delay. BUT, can cleverly emulate them with reverse reverb, which, while not the same thing, is a, uh, different thing, and, depending on the application, a good thing... > No, you can't route the output of an effect back to > a prior effect. Yeah, true and not-so-very hype -- in fact, the fx loop on the machine is mostly pre-fx (although not pre-lame wah!) > No, it doesn't do delay spill-over, at least not in > the way that I recall dpc describing it. What is doing then to go on with the English, when they are going have had to said "delay spill-over"? Is this a double entendre? Would you mind terribly if I treated it as though it were one? Hey, ya mook, I got your "delay spill-over" right here! Ha ha ha ha ha ha...ahhhhh...heh...Care to hear my stab at "dpc"? Yes? Hello? Operator? > I should add that I don't agree with James about > changing the delay time. Doing this on my 2120 would > destroy the loop in a way that is not pleasing to my > ears. Mindful of the foregoing, I should remind John, as with all subscribers to this list, to avoid my performances with something approaching the zeal of the newly converted... > I'll shut up now. I'm such a follower... But, in conclusion, I'm glad to hear the 2120 carries more loop mojo than I thought -- I'm making the upgrade ASAP. Now, can one of you spot me three bills? ----------------------------------------------------------------- ~ > --- James Keepnews --- < "Don't quote anybody, Sir!" (.-.) > -- Multimedia Yahoo -- < \ * -- Krishnamurti - > - keepnews@node.net - < ----------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 20 09:16:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24053; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:16:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:16:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: 20 Sep 99 09:08:46 -0400 From: "Jonathan Matis" Subject: Upcoming PA Fringe Fest show To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" X-Mailer: QuickMail Pro 1.5.4 (Windows32) X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: "Jonathan Matis" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="====49535257524949525556===1" Message-Id: <19990920085711.8ae40d30.in@fhserver.freedomhouse.org> Resent-Message-ID: <"UxYS3.0.VX5.X6Zvt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: 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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAA== --====49535257524949525556===1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 20 09:39:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29268; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:39:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:39:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990920083149.007cf6a0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: subversive@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 08:31:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod Subject: Re: Boomerang and guitar In-Reply-To: <01e601bf0342$bf410ee0$57c0d6d1@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"G83S61.0.eo6.AUZvt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Micah, I'm running mine in a pedalboard before two amps. No noise problems here--unless I have it switched wrong or have the input rolled too high, of course. Actually, I'm even running a Whammy pedal and a distortion before the 'rang. Hope this helps a bit. Jeff McLeod At 03:32 AM 9/20/1999 -0500, you wrote: >Curious to hear from the guitar players out there who are using the Rang >without an FX loop. In other words, the guitar hits the Rang before it gets >to the front/preamp of an amplifier. Any problems with noise?? > >MicahH > > > __________________________________________ This is not here-- And now is almost over... http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 20 11:38:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23763; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:38:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:38:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: bedwellm@WellsFargo.COM Message-ID: <5BA4EAE4ACF6D211BC540001FA7EB196D0C686@xcem-casfo-11.wellsfargo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Boomerang and guitar Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 08:20:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"Nzj4T3.0.kY4.P1bvt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wow...for once, I am not the "Micah" listed.... Micah > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod [SMTP:subversive@mindspring.com] > Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 6:32 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Boomerang and guitar > > Micah, > I'm running mine in a pedalboard before two amps. No noise problems > here--unless I have it switched wrong or have the input rolled too high, > of > course. Actually, I'm even running a Whammy pedal and a distortion before > the 'rang. > Hope this helps a bit. > Jeff McLeod > > At 03:32 AM 9/20/1999 -0500, you wrote: > >Curious to hear from the guitar players out there who are using the Rang > >without an FX loop. In other words, the guitar hits the Rang before it > gets > >to the front/preamp of an amplifier. Any problems with noise?? > > > >MicahH > > > > > > > __________________________________________ > This is not here-- > And now is almost over... > http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ > http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 20 12:35:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05922; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:35:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:35:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <016701bf0385$401adfe0$f898adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: loop toys FS on the Web Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:29:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"3NuvE.0.Ht.A1cvt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Do NOT e-mail ME about these please--I don't know the seller spotted on Analog Heaven--seem like decent prices TL Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:44:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Jacob Anderson Subject: [AH] FS: Vortex, Juno 6, TX16W, delays, etc. * Lexicon Vortex, footswitch, manual, works fine, a few scratches on the bottom but looks fine otherwise, $150 * Roland Juno 6, for sale in Orange County CA area only, a couple slider caps missing and note-letter stickers on the keys, $175 and you get a free Hammond Auto-Vari 64 drum machine thrown in if you want. * Yamaha TX16W sampler, with some analogue sample disks included, $160. * Electro-Harmonix Memory Man, analog delay/chorus, in nice shape $85. * Ibanez DM1000 d-g-t-l delay rack unit, modulation etc., $75 * Digitech RDS8000 Time Machine d-g-t-l delay, 8 seconds of looping/delay, $150. more stuff coming soon-- - --Jake (who got a Yamaha Pianica today and found himself enjoying it a lot more than his expensive toys!) Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 20 12:19:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01979; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:19:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:19:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909201611.QAA25221@m2.worldnet.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:54:09 +0200 Subject: HI ! From: "Lionel Hubert" To: Looper delight Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ofD7u2.0.Es7.Hpbvt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi ! My name is Lionel "THE K" Hubert, i'm from France, so excuse my bad english. I'm a guitarist for many years and a loop user, with my guitar I construct loop with different technique : first I use long delay, mainly for live performance, but my principal technique is to use effect and dynamic processing (gate for exemple) and then edit the loop in my computer. I really like to record a riff and deconstruct it in my software. If you like to hear some examples please go to to my home page http://www.freesurf.com/kalikay There is mp3 loops to download. I will be back on the list Soon GOOD LOOPING THE K -- kalikay entertainment ************************** kalikay@worldnet.fr http://www.ifrance.com/kalikay From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 20 12:50:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09776; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:50:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:50:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001b01bf0385$db2daa80$3082b2d1@bob> From: "Jean or Colin Jenkinson" To: Subject: Re: Boomerang and guitar Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:33:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"FGX_T2.0.Kk1.LDcvt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Using a Rang, a guitar, an amp and maybe a few extras(electric drill, chains, hammers etc) I have no problem making noise. Colin | niloC >Curious to hear from the guitar players out there who are using the Rang >without an FX loop. In other words, the guitar hits the Rang before it gets >to the front/preamp of an amplifier. Any problems with noise?? > >MicahH > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 20 12:57:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11334; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:57:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:57:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:49:38 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Jim.Carter@bristol.ac.uk Subject: Re: Boss GT-3 Processor and looping Resent-Message-ID: <"IVHdL1.0.DQ2.3Ocvt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yep... basic parallel 1 or 2 voice, as well as intelligent. There's also a user scale section where you can write 16 (or is it more?) of your own creations. I've done a couple which weren't that good and plan to take another stab at it in the near future. Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." mbiffle@svg.com >>> JF Carter 09/20 4:32 AM >>> Can any GT-3/-5 users help with some info.? Do these babies have good old fashioned pitch shifters as per GX-700, ME-30, ME-8. The specs. and reviews I've seen mention "harmoniser" but on the older systems this is used to describe the "intellegent pitch shifters" ie key related not the good old fashioned ones that I know and love. There is something wonderful about playing a stock scale pattern but having little idea of the key of the resultant sound until you try and play along with it. Give me pitch shifters - I ain't moving until I get pitch shifters! Jim Carter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 20 13:27:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23905; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 13:27:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 13:27:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909201714.RAA18460@mail.worldnet.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:17:32 +0200 Subject: Karlette From: "Lionel Hubert" To: Looper delight Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"eMoC_1.0.X74.Ukcvt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey ! Have you seen the KARLETTE plug in for Cubase VST, it's a Tape loop delay simulator and it's great. Take a look at http://www.steinberg.net, it's free THE K From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 20 14:10:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09096; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 14:10:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 14:10:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19990920130445.00b68570@mail.winternet.com> X-Sender: r4c@mail.winternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 13:07:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "L. Stafford" Subject: Re: Boomerang and guitar In-Reply-To: <01e601bf0342$bf410ee0$57c0d6d1@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"8uGJe3.0.Gc1.lRdvt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 03:32 AM 9/20/99 -0500, you wrote: >Curious to hear from the guitar players out there who are using the Rang >without an FX loop. In other words, the guitar hits the Rang before it gets >to the front/preamp of an amplifier. Any problems with noise?? > >MicahH > I use it w/ violin & cello usually before the effects chain and have had no problems with noise provided I set the recording gain & the loop output volume correctly. Seeing as a guitar pickup (electric anyways) has a hotter output than the piezo pickups that I use on my instruments, you should have no problems if you set the record gain appropriately for your instrument. Lorren Stafford Richard For Cerebellum/A Most Happy Sound http://www.winternet.com/~r4c http://www.futureperfect.org/art/happy.html "We ask ourselves whether truly this is the beginning of a new world or whether perhaps the world...is about to perish. There are people who earnestly and seriously fear this, where music becomes the slave of the machine..." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 20 14:18:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12056; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 14:18:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 14:18:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282D576@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Boomerang and guitar Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:42:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"MM15S1.0.wY7.68dvt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, I run a line out from my power amp and the boomerang is noisy for me if I don't keep the trim knob down below 0db (center)and set the output to line out (because I run into an amp). I can't run the guitar into the rang and then into my preamp because it overloads my guitar signal.SO I run my guitar into my preamp f/x's, hushIIcx,exciter,etc.. into the poweramp for my main cabs and use line outs into the boomerang. The output of the rang runs into a sholts rockman chorus (to get stero signal) into an ada stereo poweramp into 2 2x12 cabs as well.The line out works best for me anyway. Denis Subject: Re: Boomerang and guitar Uthe guitar hits the Rang before it gets >to the front/preamp of an amplifier. Any problems with noise?? > >MicahH > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 20 15:29:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07441; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:29:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:29:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 04:23:30 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199909201923.EAA15540@pop2.osk.3web.ne.jp> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: cctakuya@osk2.3web.ne.jp (Takuya "Shiro" Yamamoto) X-Sender: cctakuya@pop2.osk2.3web.ne.jp (Unverified) Subject: new song update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp X-Mailer: Eudora-J(1.3.8.8r6-J16) Resent-Message-ID: <"HKyme1.0.yU1.1devt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi! all looper! 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We're living in the time and a words! iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 20 15:18:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04788; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:18:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:18:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000801bf039b$a9ea9300$eb6ec8d0@computer> From: "postaldave" To: Subject: Re: Boomerang and guitar Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:09:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"W41cr.0.Wm.sRevt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What kind of amp do you use??????? " I use it w/ violin & cello usually before the effects chain and have had no problems with noise provided I set the recording gain & the loop output volume correctly. Seeing as a guitar pickup (electric anyways) has a hotter output than the piezo pickups that I use on my instruments, you should have no problems if you set the record gain appropriately for your instrument." Lorren Stafford Richard For Cerebellum/A Most Happy Sound From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 20 17:03:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00452; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:03:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:03:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000f01bf03ab$4c6d84c0$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: References: <37E6A8EA.3FA849DA@accessinn.com> Subject: Re: extremely lofi ideas for the poor noisemaker Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:01:17 -0500 X-Priority: 5 X-MSMail-Priority: Low X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"wKTUs2.0.Fe7.u_fvt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Now them's my kinda ideers! Poppin' the top off a Kiwi 20/20, Shorty ----- Original Message ----- From: Sven Anderson To: Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 4:36 PM Subject: extremely lofi ideas for the poor noisemaker > hello loopers > for those of us who can't run out and buy all the new fx processors > available... > i was visited by a revelation last night. and honestly it isn't very > significant. but it really does sound cool. take microphones (cheapies that you > don't care about) and push them up against things that move. like reel-to-reels. > leave them there. listen to the nice beats and loopy things this produces. if you > do it right, and the microphone is slightly offset each time the machine goes > through a cycle of motion, the sound loop morphs very slowly into different timbral > bits. its pretty much the same as micing machines, but here the microphone becomes > involved in the sound production in a more instrumental fashion. > > also. another good one. discovered one night in boston while listening to porter > ricks very loud after lots of cheap wine. > play minimal techno/beat oriented music very loud in a cluttered room. then > wander around and listen closely to all of the objects on your walls, tables, etc. > as they vibrate in different ways. and then (this is the hard part) attempt to mic > these little vibrations in such a way as to maximize their dynamics and minimize > the actual music's presence on your recording. trying to record vibrations like > this usually (for me) ends up producing very fluid, natural rhythms that are more > complex than basic thumpings. > sorry, these ideas are really quite silly and mundane, but i felt like typing a bit > and therefore decided to subject you all to my ramblings. > --sven > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 20 16:50:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29405; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:50:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:50:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37E6A8EA.3FA849DA@accessinn.com> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 14:36:42 -0700 From: Sven Anderson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: extremely lofi ideas for the poor noisemaker References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aw5A9.0.2b6.Vmfvt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello loopers for those of us who can't run out and buy all the new fx processors available... i was visited by a revelation last night. and honestly it isn't very significant. but it really does sound cool. take microphones (cheapies that you don't care about) and push them up against things that move. like reel-to-reels. leave them there. listen to the nice beats and loopy things this produces. if you do it right, and the microphone is slightly offset each time the machine goes through a cycle of motion, the sound loop morphs very slowly into different timbral bits. its pretty much the same as micing machines, but here the microphone becomes involved in the sound production in a more instrumental fashion. also. another good one. discovered one night in boston while listening to porter ricks very loud after lots of cheap wine. play minimal techno/beat oriented music very loud in a cluttered room. then wander around and listen closely to all of the objects on your walls, tables, etc. as they vibrate in different ways. and then (this is the hard part) attempt to mic these little vibrations in such a way as to maximize their dynamics and minimize the actual music's presence on your recording. trying to record vibrations like this usually (for me) ends up producing very fluid, natural rhythms that are more complex than basic thumpings. sorry, these ideas are really quite silly and mundane, but i felt like typing a bit and therefore decided to subject you all to my ramblings. --sven From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 20 17:06:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01445; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:06:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:06:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: extremely lofi ideas for the poor noisemaker Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 14:00:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <37E6A8EA.3FA849DA@accessinn.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"VZDB71.0.vY7.ezfvt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >also. another good one. discovered one night in boston while listening to porter >ricks very loud after lots of cheap wine. > play minimal techno/beat oriented music very loud in a cluttered room. then >wander around and listen closely to all of the objects on your walls, tables, etc. >as they vibrate in different ways. and then (this is the hard part) attempt to mic >these little vibrations in such a way as to maximize their dynamics and minimize >the actual music's presence on your recording. trying to record vibrations like >this usually (for me) ends up producing very fluid, natural rhythms that are more >complex than basic thumpings. How about starting with an uncluttered room, and bringing in the toys, one by one? Cut everything but the >deep< bass (The important part for wobbling things anyway) on the music you are playing back. Record the found sounds, and cut the bass (there wouldn't be any coming from your new toys). Then (and this is the important part) save as a zip file and send the new loops/instrument samples as an attachment to jonathan@full-moon.com :> bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 20 17:31:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08377; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:31:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:31:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000e01bf03ad$3decfc30$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: extremely lofi ideas for the poor noisemaker Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:15:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"zVu_v2.0.9l1.FQgvt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Great ideas! > play minimal techno/beat oriented music very loud in a cluttered room. then >wander around and listen closely to all of the objects on your walls, tables, etc. >as they vibrate in different ways. and then (this is the hard part) attempt to mic >these little vibrations in such a way as to maximize their dynamics and minimize >the actual music's presence on your recording. trying to record vibrations like >this usually (for me) ends up producing very fluid, natural rhythms that are more >complex than basic thumpings. I'd try a wireless contact mic. Placement is tricky but great isolation! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 20 17:27:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07171; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:27:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:27:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990920211906.0069bd0c@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 23:19:06 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: leocavallo Subject: Re: Karlette Resent-Message-ID: <"bUpmm2.0.0C1.KJgvt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com and it can become a quasi-looping tool with Audiomulch.... ciao leo At 19.17 20/09/99 +0200, you wrote: >Hey ! >Have you seen the KARLETTE plug in for Cubase VST, it's a Tape loop delay >simulator and it's great. >Take a look at http://www.steinberg.net, it's free > >THE K > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 20 19:43:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06341; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:43:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:43:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37E6C689.B3E4D7B7@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:43:11 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: extremely lofi ideas... References: <37E6A8EA.3FA849DA@accessinn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SerNf2.0.3S1.2Nivt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sven Anderson wrote: > ... then > wander around and listen closely to all of the objects on your walls, tables, etc. > as they vibrate in different ways. and then (this is the hard part) attempt to mic > these little vibrations in such a way as to maximize their dynamics and minimize > the actual music's presence on your recording. trying to record vibrations like > this usually (for me) ends up producing very fluid, natural rhythms that are more > complex than basic thumpings... this reminds me of sitting around after class with my high school music department's arp odyssey blowing through some massive ev speakers (with the aid of certain supplements...); determining the resonant frequencies of all objects in the room. buzzzz... lance g. ps anyone out there play around with hinges? really squeaky ones on light weight doors that can be moved fairly rapidly (like those found on cheap tract home cabinets) can produce some nice unusual textures (and you don't have to order them through musician's fiend)... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 20 19:57:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09911; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:57:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:57:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008a01bf03c2$a270bf60$eb6ec8d0@computer> From: "postaldave" To: "Loopers" Subject: guitar looping idea Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:48:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"5PYmi1.0.h32.LXivt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i was playing around and came across something neat. i have a wide ring on my pinky ring. if you play your strings hiting them (mostly with the ring) while muting them you get a really cool scary movie sound. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 20 20:37:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18556; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:37:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:37:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echopark99@aol.com Message-ID: <1e463981.25182c0e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:32:14 EDT Subject: Re: Boomerang and guitar To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Resent-Message-ID: <"tgb8P2.0.cH4.z8jvt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com One of the nice things about the Boomer is your dry signal passes through unaltered, unless you pop the THRU MUTE switch, of course. So the Rang is unobtrusive to your basic sound, unlike the Jam Man or RDS, etc. which requires a certain "Mix" setting to feature your straight guitar signal. In addtition to the handy foot roller for loop output, there is a rather flexible single input/output pot that is quite variable, and an accompanying Mic/Line/Instr. level switch. It can be easy to inadvertantly have a hissy fit situation if that pot (on the back) gets brushed in transit, but it allows for correct in/out balance in plenty of places in the signal chain. The Rang is great for guitar when you don't to think much about looping. I always have it at the ready, even during pop songs, and has I find new sounds and phrases, I can 'rang 'em without hardly thinking about it, and then towards the end of a tune I can loop it back and tweak to taste (1/2 spd or 2X, reverse, stutter, etc. Very much in the spirit of the old EH 16 delay... eric p echo park << >Curious to hear from the guitar players out there who are using the Rang >without an FX loop. In other words, the guitar hits the Rang before it gets >to the front/preamp of an amplifier. Any problems with noise?? > >MicahH >> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 21 00:09:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29700; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 00:09:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 00:09:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909210402.VAA28694@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 21:05:26 -0700 Subject: Re: Boomerang and guitar and Ol' ELECTRO HARMONIX... From: "Stan Card" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JEgct2.0.gp6.JDmvt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Never have used the'Rang,but anyone out there still using "the old EH 16 delay" like I still am...?There will never be a unit as wacky AND musical ever again-I cherish it dearly/along w/ the foot pedal of course...deepinthereverbtank...stanner... ---------- >From: Echopark99@aol.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Boomerang and guitar >Date: Mon, Sep 20, 1999, 5:32 PM > > > > One of the nice things about the Boomer is your dry signal passes through > unaltered, unless you pop the THRU MUTE switch, of course. So the Rang is > unobtrusive to your basic sound, unlike the Jam Man or RDS, etc. which > requires a certain "Mix" setting to feature your straight guitar signal. > > In addtition to the handy foot roller for loop output, there is a rather > flexible single input/output pot that is quite variable, and an accompanying > Mic/Line/Instr. level switch. It can be easy to inadvertantly have a hissy > fit situation if that pot (on the back) gets brushed in transit, but it > allows for correct in/out balance in plenty of places in the signal chain. > > The Rang is great for guitar when you don't to think much about looping. I > always have it at the ready, even during pop songs, and has I find new sounds > and phrases, I can 'rang 'em without hardly thinking about it, and then > towards the end of a tune I can loop it back and tweak to taste (1/2 spd or > 2X, reverse, stutter, etc. > > Very much in the spirit of the old EH 16 delay... > > eric p > echo park > << > >Curious to hear from the guitar players out there who are using the Rang > >without an FX loop. In other words, the guitar hits the Rang before it > gets > >to the front/preamp of an amplifier. Any problems with noise?? > > > >MicahH >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 21 07:01:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA05641; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 07:01:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 07:01:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 06:36:23 EDT Subject: Re: Boomerang and guitar and Ol' ELECTRO HARMONIX... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"hbuPS2.0.DK.--rvt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com they are going to reissue it any day now....no....really. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 21 13:06:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20157; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:06:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:06:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000801bf0451$ead8c4c0$3482b3d1@bob> From: "Jean or Colin Jenkinson" To: Subject: Re: Loop This! Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:54:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"6vjFF1.0.9X4.pcxvt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Howdy : Colin Jenkinson here, I sent out a couple of loopy thangs in the mail: Experience Cloud(Solo Chapman stick with Volume pedal, Boss DD5, Ebow and Pluged-in -backwards wah-wah pedal), and "Let Me Down Easy" a hypnosis tape for breast feeding my wife made( the background music is the first track of Experience Cloud). Colin Jenkinson | nosnikneJ niloC -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Smith To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 4:05 AM Subject: Loop This! >FNGP is happy to announce the next project on board for FingerPaint. We are >looking for sonic contributions from list members to be used at our >discretion for our CD release "Loop This!" The loops can be ambient swirly >material, bass lines, drum loops, rhythm tracks, vocal lines, samples, >melodies, anything....it is up to the contributor. (All loops should >contain only material created by the contributor, with sample clearance for >our use.) > >Why are we doing this? It is a common notion that randomness is an >indispensable ingredient of creative acts. In FingerPaint we begin our >pieces by improvising loop(s). We use multiple JAM MEN, ECHPLEXI, & >DIGITECH TIME MACHINES as well as multiple effects boxes and synths to >create our loops. Then we play with this material and see what develops. >Since distance and budgetary constraints prevent us from inviting other >loopers directly into our studio, we are exploring this avenue as a way to >begin working with other musicians. "Loop This!" will be released under the >name of the FingerPaint Collective. > >IF we use your material, you will be fully credited on the CD, our web site >and anywhere else we can infiltrate. Our two previous CD releases have >generated several reviews and air play round the world. Also any one who's >material makes it on the CD will receive 5 CD's to keep for the >grandchildren.... When this project becomes financially solvent royalties >will be paid out in accordance with the number of participants. > >Eventually we my be doing this with MP3 files posted directly to our site. >A remix of this project is also possible. Let's explore. > >Send your material on DAT or CD to: > >FNGP >PO BOX 5364 >Takoma Park, MD >20913 > >Peace, > >Patrick > Fingerpaint's New Release: > > IN THE LOOP > > ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and > obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. > > DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 > > http://www.fingerpaint.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 21 13:58:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01176; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:58:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:58:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <022a01bf0459$88a246c0$282310ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "Loopers" Subject: Gt-3 responses Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:43:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"oqe8J2.0.cZ7.FJyvt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com O Sainted Loopers! I am bathed in your multitude of responses, and I am submerged! O, the generosity! O, the great good humour! O, the fires that were started! O, the girls with no regrets! Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us P.S. Anybody got a bead on a GT-3 user's group/newsgroup? O, the addiction! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 21 13:59:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01351; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:59:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:59:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <022801bf0459$85196e20$282310ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: , Subject: Re: Boss GT-3 Processor and looping Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 12:48:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"AYH0I1.0.DZ7.AJyvt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: KILLINFO@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, September 16, 1999 6:31 PM Subject: Re: Boss GT-3 Processor and looping >In a message dated 9/16/99 2:21:56 PM, dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us writes: > >>Hey gang! I am totally jazzed up on the Boss GT-3...[snip} > >How many seconds/milliseconds of delay does it have? It actually has two delays, totally independent of each other. One is 1800ms, the other is 400ms. Not enough for loooonnnngggg loops, but can you say "flexible"? I'm looking at it more as a sound-shaping tool, and using my Headrush for actual looping. Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 21 14:44:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15193; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:44:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:44:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990921184716.8487.rocketmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:47:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Novak Subject: Re: extremely lofi ideas... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"YQs1X.0.K_2.C1zvt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --- lance glover wrote: > ps > anyone out there play around with hinges? really > squeaky ones on light weight doors > that can be moved fairly rapidly (like those found > on cheap tract home cabinets) can > produce some nice unusual textures (and you don't > have to order them through > musician's fiend)... Yeah, I did that once, but I tried to get a long, consistent groan out of them (heavy door too). I multitracked a bunch of them and cut EQ in and out (on a parametric) on different tracks panned different ways and got some cool stuff. It really makes things jump out. ---Ryan Novak __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 21 13:44:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29730; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:44:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:44:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37E7BE1A.8292B3E6@node.net> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:19:22 -0400 From: James Keepnews Reply-To: keepnews@node.net Organization: * - node - * X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: Re: Digitech 2120 Loop-a-Dope References: <19990919074317.2764.rocketmail@web130.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vuy493.0.5Y5.nrxvt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dahlinks: Best price I've seen, ever, on the Digitech 2112: GSP2112SE $350.00 This may be seen at http://www.sounddeals.com/specials.html. Add $75 + labor for the upgrade and they's your 2120, with more 10-second loop opportunities this side of the radio advertising industry. Go on & git it. ----------------------------------------------------------------- ~ > --- James Keepnews --- < "Don't quote anybody, Sir!" (.-.) > -- Multimedia Yahoo -- < \ * -- Krishnamurti - > - keepnews@node.net - < ----------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 21 14:56:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18357; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:56:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:56:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <019201bf045f$731937e0$6581b3d1@bob> From: "Jean or Colin Jenkinson" To: Subject: Re: Loop This! Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:30:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"TvP-x3.0.A13.f1zvt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry, meant to send privately: -----Original Message----- From: Jean or Colin Jenkinson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 11:03 AM Subject: Re: Loop This! >Howdy : > >Colin Jenkinson here, I sent out a couple of loopy thangs in the mail: >Experience Cloud(Solo Chapman stick with Volume pedal, Boss DD5, Ebow and etc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 21 14:51:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17055; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:51:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:51:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0DB58AE@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Boomerang and guitar and Ol' ELECTRO HARMONIX... Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:12:42 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"oRzW53.0.Zk1.wkyvt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Never have used the'Rang,but anyone out there still using "the old EH 16 > delay" like I still am...?There will never be a unit as wacky AND musical > ever again-I cherish it dearly/along w/ the foot pedal of > course...deepinthereverbtank...stanner... > > ** yep, love it. stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 21 15:36:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28262; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:36:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:36:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:51:13 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us Subject: Re: Gt-3 responses Resent-Message-ID: <"g1eGn3.0.tN4.RGzvt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There's a GT-5 list at onelist.com as well as a couple web sites. There were actually people converting GX-700 patches to GT-5, so I'd bet there are now people translating GT-5 to GT-3. Maybe they've even dedicated the list to both units... It's been awhile since I've actually read the list but I found lots of useful stuff there. I've attached the URL's. Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." mbiffle@svg.com >>> "K. Douglas Baldwin" 09/21 10:54 AM >>> O Sainted Loopers! I am bathed in your multitude of responses, and I am submerged! P.S. Anybody got a bead on a GT-3 user's group/newsgroup? O, the addiction! begin 644 GT-5 Rolfs Site.url M6TEN=&5R;F5T4VAO Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:06:12 -0700 From: Sven Anderson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: extremely lofi ideas... References: <19990921184716.8487.rocketmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"D_wnV1.0.pQ5.pXzvt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ryan Novak wrote: > --- lance glover wrote: > > ps > > anyone out there play around with hinges? really > > squeaky ones on light weight doors > > that can be moved fairly rapidly (like those found > > on cheap tract home cabinets) can > > produce some nice unusual textures (and you don't > > have to order them through > > musician's fiend)... > for some quality door/hinge noises, check out "Variations on a Door and a Sigh" by Piere Henry (1963). it's intention seems more to demonstrate the similar expressiveness between human sounds (the sigh) and everyday environmental sounds (the door). i think. not looping music at all, except that it's by henry, one of the founders of musique concrete, which i suppose (besides the italian futurists in the 20s) is the foundation of loop music. anyway, just wander into any university librarary and listen to it there, cause you won't find it anywhere else. --sven From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 21 16:57:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16418; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:57:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:57:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echopark99@aol.com Message-ID: <924dc595.25193f4c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:06:36 EDT Subject: Re: Boomerang and guitar and Ol' ELECTRO HARMONIX... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"O5oyj3.0.001.yL-vt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 9/21/99 4:00:38 AM, PJBMHB@aol.com writes: >they are going to reissue it any day now....no....really. =-) PJ > Latest word to me from Mike M. - over a year away... back to the Rang. eric p echo park From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 21 18:23:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04781; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:23:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:23:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282D598@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: extremely lofi ideas... Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:46:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"GGrxH1.0.Cv6.bp_vt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yes I've encountered much the same with "wind in e flatulent" from the composer flatus. -DT for some quality door/hinge noises, check out "Variations on a Door and a Sigh" by Piere Henry (1963). From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 21 18:29:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06105; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:29:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:29:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37E804EC.144714F6@tstar.net> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:22:35 -0500 From: Matthew Turner Reply-To: gturner@tstar.net Organization: Item Recordings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: extremely lofi ideas... References: <19990921184716.8487.rocketmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> <37E7E534.A70DBEA4@accessinn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"B3sBP2.0.Np6.Tn_vt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'd suggest checking the finer record stores in your area. It's one of his most famous pieces thus it's on about two or three cds that various labels put out. > just wander into any university > librarary and listen to it there, cause you won't find it anywhere else. > > --sven From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 21 18:23:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04752; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:23:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:23:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echopark99@aol.com Message-ID: <7c61682a.2519475b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:40:59 EDT Subject: Re: RE: extremely lofi ideas for the poor noisemaker To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"q0pph3.0.w-2.8s-vt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've done this to replicate earthquake sounds. Not so much the quake itself, but everything in a house reacting to it. My house seems to have a "sweet spot" around 16 Hz. Access to a servo-driven sub woofer helps. Put it in another room and dial in subsonic tones from a tone generator (8-22 Hz capable) . Modulate to taste. Windows love it. Sheetmetal filing cabinets dance with fear. Not recommended for apartment dwellers. eric p echo park In a message dated 9/20/99 2:00:39 PM, jbiz@linkexchange.com writes: How about starting with an uncluttered room, and bringing in the toys, >one >by one? >Cut everything but the >deep< bass (The important part for wobbling things >anyway) on the music you are playing back. Record the found sounds, and >cut >the bass (there wouldn't be any coming from your new toys). > >>wander around and listen closely to all of the objects on your walls, >tables, etc. >>as they vibrate in different ways. and then (this is the hard part) >attempt to mic >>these little vibrations in such a way as to maximize their dynamics and >minimize >>the actual music's presence on your recording. trying to record vibrations >like >>this usually (for me) ends up producing very fluid, natural rhythms that >are more >>complex than basic thumpings. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 21 22:59:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32518; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:59:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:59:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37E7E534.A70DBEA4@accessinn.com> References: <19990921184716.8487.rocketmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:26:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: extremely lofi ideas... Resent-Message-ID: <"a5mQS1.0.E16.Iv3wt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >for some quality door/hinge noises, check out "Variations on a Door and >a Sigh" by Piere Henry (1963). it's intention seems more to demonstrate >the similar expressiveness between human sounds (the sigh) and everyday >environmental sounds (the door). i think. not looping music at all, >except that it's by henry, one of the founders of musique concrete, >which i suppose (besides the italian futurists in the 20s) is the >foundation of loop music. anyway, just wander into any university >librarary and listen to it there, cause you won't find it anywhere else. > >--sven This is a great piece, a real classic & highly recommended! My CD is from the French Harmonia Mundi label, catalog number HMC 905200.... David Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 22 13:10:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11394; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:10:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:10:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990922162841.18175.rocketmail@web217.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:28:41 -0700 (PDT) From: M T Reply-To: mt@motiontek.com Subject: digest down since the 17th!! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"HFv-D.0.rg.9HGwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi - I'm getting no digest at either of the accounts that are subscribed (I subscribe from a web account as well so I can send from there.) PS: Any word on a due date for the Echoplex? I'm going to be (finally) flush enough to buy a looper within the next month, and if there is no EDP to be seen on the horizon, I just may have to buy a Boomerang or some other looper to keep me busy... MT === ************************************************************* This is a web-based account I use when I can't access my "normal" mail account. Please reply to my regular address at 'm1cha3l@earthlink.net'. Thanks. ************************************************************* __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 22 13:18:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13438; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:18:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:18:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37E906AC.CE9C3507@pa.msu.edu> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:41:16 -0400 From: John McIntyre Organization: Michigan State University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang and guitar and Ol' ELECTRO HARMONIX... References: <199909210402.VAA28694@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"w5iJ5.0.Mx._LGwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Stan Card wrote: > > Never have used the'Rang,but anyone out there still using "the old EH 16 > delay" like I still am...?There will never be a unit as wacky AND musical > ever again-I cherish it dearly/along w/ the foot pedal of > course...deepinthereverbtank...stanner... > Use it all the time. My favorite looping device. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 22 14:05:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24714; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:05:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:05:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:57:29 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Burning Man anyone? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id NAA22913 Resent-Message-ID: <"hOZ-k1.0.Rc5.UZHwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi gang! Did any of youse attend this years Burning Man festival? A key playing friend of mine returned and is now raving about all the techo-electronic music he saw and is trying to get me into his game plan for next year... While I'm very interested, I was initially very worried about dust and dirt in very expensive equipment. Also noisy generators etc. I'd love to discuss all of this as well as the potential for some possible collaboration at next years event with any of you. Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." mbiffle@svg.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 22 14:57:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05720; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:57:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:57:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990922135022.007c4770@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: subversive@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:50:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod Subject: Re: Burning Man anyone? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"xYaTg1.0.o11.wKIwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Miko, I didn't get to attend, but I do know someone who did. I heard that this year's was pretty huge attendance-wise--more so that in the past. From riding dead horses to destroying tanks and armored vehicles with various other dead animals. Sounds pretty damned crazy. I would love to play there (with some dust covers, of course...). Jeff McLeod At 10:57 AM 9/22/1999 -0700, you wrote: >Hi gang! > >Did any of youse attend this years Burning Man festival? A key playing friend of mine returned and is now raving about all the techo-electronic music he saw and is trying to get me into his game plan for next year... While I'm very interested, I was initially very worried about dust and dirt in very expensive equipment. Also noisy generators etc. I'd love to discuss all of this as well as the potential for some possible collaboration at next years event with any of you. > >Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." >mbiffle@svg.com > > __________________________________________ This is not here-- And now is almost over... http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 22 15:32:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14608; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:32:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:32:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:21:02 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, subversive@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Burning Man anyone? Resent-Message-ID: <"i7Zaz.0.Z-2.xnIwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Jeff, I'm beggining some discussions concerning the dust control. Maybe shrink wrap a GT-5 and leave only holes for cable jacks? Take a tiny 2 space rack for an EDP and Vortex and maybe also a Yamaha QY-70? I've heard there are *plenty* of stages which were not in use a fair portion of the time. I'm going to post a few messages to the Burning Man bulletin board and see if I can make contact with any stage managers or owners... I found a tabla player who'd love to meet and jam next year. My keyboard playing friend has light show multi-media types who are trying to figure out how to do that there as well. Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." mbiffle@svg.com >>> Jeff & Vonda McLeod 09/22 11:55 AM >>> Miko, I didn't get to attend, but I do know someone who did. I heard that this year's was pretty huge attendance-wise--more so that in the past. From riding dead horses to destroying tanks and armored vehicles with various other dead animals. Sounds pretty damned crazy. I would love to play there (with some dust covers, of course...). Jeff McLeod At 10:57 AM 9/22/1999 -0700, you wrote: >Hi gang! > >Did any of youse attend this years Burning Man festival? A key playing friend of mine returned and is now raving about all the techo-electronic music he saw and is trying to get me into his game plan for next year... While I'm very interested, I was initially very worried about dust and dirt in very expensive equipment. Also noisy generators etc. I'd love to discuss all of this as well as the potential for some possible collaboration at next years event with any of you. > >Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." >mbiffle@svg.com > > __________________________________________ This is not here-- And now is almost over... http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 22 16:49:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01346; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:49:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:49:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echopark99@aol.com Message-ID: <7a7b6ece.251a95e8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:28:24 EDT Subject: Re: Burning Man anyone? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZQCl12.0.t27.KoJwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Mike and others, I'll be following with great interest. Dust/sand can definitely be an issue, my pals told of significant ongoing winds this year and even sandstorms - yikes! Anyway. I've been wanting to tote a simple loop rig up there the last couple years, but alas, it's always something. This year a paying gig at the beautiful Ford Amphitheatre in the Hollywood Hills lured me away. And of course, every year everybody says, "This might be the last Burning Man". Each year does not fail to return extended stories of great awe and inspiration, so we'd be chumps not to go next year... My friends built a dark lounge for refuge from the sun, featuring ambient and other music this year, so I would bet that may be part of the plan for next year. Very conducive to hypnotic loopies. Meeting and planning starts around March/April. Staying tuned, eric p echo park In a message dated 9/22/99 12:31:48 PM, mbiffle@svg.com writes: > >I'm beggining some discussions concerning the dust control. Maybe >shrink wrap a GT-5 and leave only holes for cable jacks? Take a tiny 2 >space rack for an EDP and Vortex and maybe also a Yamaha QY-70? I've >heard there are *plenty* of stages which were not in use a fair >portion of the time. I'm going to post a few messages to the Burning >Man bulletin board and see if I can make contact with any stage >managers or owners... I found a tabla player who'd love to meet and >jam next year. My keyboard playing friend has light show multi-media >types who are trying to figure out how to do that there as well. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 22 17:24:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09558; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:24:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:24:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:13:32 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Burning Man anyone? Resent-Message-ID: <"-9E8H3.0.Qv1.aRKwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'll keep you in a Burning Man email list so I can be sure we can talk later about our respective plans! Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." mbiffle@svg.com >>> 09/22 1:46 PM >>> Hey Mike and others, I'll be following with great interest. Dust/sand can definitely be an issue, my pals told of significant ongoing winds this year and even sandstorms - yikes! Anyway. I've been wanting to tote a simple loop rig up there the last couple years, but alas, it's always something. This year a paying gig at the beautiful Ford Amphitheatre in the Hollywood Hills lured me away. And of course, every year everybody says, "This might be the last Burning Man". Each year does not fail to return extended stories of great awe and inspiration, so we'd be chumps not to go next year... My friends built a dark lounge for refuge from the sun, featuring ambient and other music this year, so I would bet that may be part of the plan for next year. Very conducive to hypnotic loopies. Meeting and planning starts around March/April. Staying tuned, eric p echo park In a message dated 9/22/99 12:31:48 PM, mbiffle@svg.com writes: > >I'm beggining some discussions concerning the dust control. Maybe >shrink wrap a GT-5 and leave only holes for cable jacks? Take a tiny 2 >space rack for an EDP and Vortex and maybe also a Yamaha QY-70? I've >heard there are *plenty* of stages which were not in use a fair >portion of the time. I'm going to post a few messages to the Burning >Man bulletin board and see if I can make contact with any stage >managers or owners... I found a tabla player who'd love to meet and >jam next year. My keyboard playing friend has light show multi-media >types who are trying to figure out how to do that there as well. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 22 17:31:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11698; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:31:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:31:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001601bf053e$e0cce9a0$e532dacf@stepheng> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Burning Man anyone? Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:10:17 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"SiFQB3.0.Jb1.KNKwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've not been to Burning Man, though I've heard from friends about all of it. Besides the dust and dirt, I think the only thing I'd be concerned with would have to do with some yahoo getting it into his head that I "wasn't participating enough," (read, "wasn't like him/her") and getting on my case forever about it. I understand this aspect to be a proud one of the Burning Man environment, which I suppose is necessary for regular folks who would otherwise just be home watching TV, but would no doubt inspire me to modes of seething fury I've not encountered before. And the dust and dirt too. Perhaps someday when I have a car that can survive the trip, so I can leave when I'm done with it. This brings up an aspect of gigging that others no doubt have encountered with open-ended, free-form environments like Burning Man: When Does One Leave? When you've had enough? When your part of "the gig" is over? When they start throwing fruit? I've been going to an event that pre-dates Burning Man, if not also the Rave-as-concept, for nearly nine years (see the Studios site about "Songs from a Tunnel" at http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html) - this was primarily a Drum Circle kind of event in the beginning, and evolved into a multi-instrument event, which changes each year I go. The acoustics are weird and wonderful. One year, a fellow brought a deep saxophone, and played it from one end of the tunnel; and, at the other end, I accompanied on eBow-acoustic guitar, muttering "I've got a thing about chickens," between riffs. It's never gone more than one night, I've always been up all night for it, and just headed home in the morning after someone makes coffee. In addition I must say that I learned playing in front of people (gasp!) up at this venue, and always look for an opportunity to go, fire permitting. (Right now there's a fire at the bottom of Schumaker Canyon/East Fork, and if it denudes the entire countryside, there won't be any warnings about campfires, since there won't be anything left to burn!) Stephen Goodman * It's the free Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html * (Hear the NEW "Star Spangled Banner" here!) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Biffle To: Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 10:57 Subject: Burning Man anyone? > Hi gang! > > Did any of youse attend this years Burning Man festival? A key playing friend of mine returned and is now raving about all the techo-electronic music he saw and is trying to get me into his game plan for next year... While I'm very interested, I was initially very worried about dust and dirt in very expensive equipment. Also noisy generators etc. I'd love to discuss all of this as well as the potential for some possible collaboration at next years event with any of you. > > Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." > mbiffle@svg.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 22 19:02:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30334; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 19:02:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 19:02:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37E95E8F.6A57ADA6@home.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:56:15 -0400 From: Fabio Katz Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Chapman Stick and loops live in Ottawa, Canada Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"53Aah3.0.OA7.gwLwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi loopers, I'll be playing at the Chapters Rideau bookstore in Ottawa, Canada this Friday, September 24 from 8:00 to 10:00 PM. I'll be doing originals and covers (Piazzolla, Bach, Schubert, Telemann, Gentle Giant, Lennon-McCartney, Santana) arranged for Chapman Stick and loops. You can visit http://www.geocities.com/fabiokatz to listen to some sample songs. Chapters Rideau is located at 47 Rideau Street, in the market area. http://www.chaptersglobe.com/Stores/Store.asp?STOREID=2150 Chapman Stick: invented in the early seventies by Emmet Chapman in California, a 12-string instrument played by tapping independently with each hand. Visit Stick Enterprises at http://www.stick.com for more details on the Stick. Hope to see you there! Fabio Katz http://www.geocities.com/fabiokatz mailto:fabiok@home.com #1344 6+6 Standard Tuning Grand Stick with MIDI Oberheim Echoplex From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 22 20:45:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18386; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:45:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:45:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <9db79f77.251acdfc@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:27:40 EDT Subject: Re: Burning Man anyone? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"UwiQE3.0.xe3.oGNwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 9/22/99 5:04:57 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, mbiffle@svg.com writes: << I'd love to discuss all of this as well as the potential for some possible collaboration at next years event with any of you. >> i recall last year someone posted the burning man web site address....im sorry that i dont have it.....it was a fun read........miko, sign me up, im ready..........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 22 21:59:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01435; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:59:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:59:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00ae01bf0564$3f388380$7296adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: Burning Man anyone? Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:37:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"YYZ851.0.M07.pFOwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Miko et. Loopers: I've been intrigued by this event for some time and even though it sounds like it may have lost some of it's "innocence" , I'd love to loop it . . . put me down for a couple of didgs, a PDS 8000, Zoom 2100 and a couple of other whacko pedals . . . maybe a battery-powered Korg keyboard need a big-ass PA ;) Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net -----Original Message----- From: Mike Biffle To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 4:26 PM Subject: Re: Burning Man anyone? >I'll keep you in a Burning Man email list so I can be sure we can talk >later about our respective plans! > >Miko Biffle "Running scared from >all the usual distractions..." >mbiffle@svg.com > >>>> 09/22 1:46 PM >>> >Hey Mike and others, > >I'll be following with great interest. Dust/sand can definitely be an >issue, >my pals told of significant ongoing winds this year and even >sandstorms - SNIP > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 22 23:03:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14490; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:03:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:03:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: m1cha3l@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 22:56:01 -0400 To: Nemoguitt@aol.com From: Michael Tuminello Subject: Re: digest down since the 17th!! Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"xGlIe.0.IB3.JRPwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Do you work for Boomerang? I'd really rather have an EDP, but it's been promised for many months now, and I'm giving up hope. I assume you like your boomerang, anyway. ... The thing is, I'd like to be able to store and trigger differnet loops, which, from what I know of the Boomerang, is not possible. PS: It really amazes me that Oberheim can drag their collective tail to the extent that some hundred or so prospective buyers ( at $600 each w/ pedal for a total of $60,000 ) are going to have to go with their 2nd choice when they already have the plans and means to manufacture the device. Maybe that's small change, or maybe they should just pass the right over to someone like Kim or Mattheus, who would probably be hapy for the customers.... >In a message dated 9/22/99 4:10:01 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, >ylpunk@yahoo.com writes: > ><< I'm going to be (finally) flush > enough to buy a looper within the next month, and if there is no EDP to be >seen > on the horizon, I just may have to buy a Boomerang >> > >this seems to be a great idea........and by the time you save enough to buy >the EDP it should be out and you will have had many, many hours of looping >joy with the rang.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 22 23:59:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26513; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:59:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:59:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000c01bf053e$70bcdd00$d181b2d1@bob> From: "Jean or Colin Jenkinson" To: Subject: Re: Burning Man anyone? Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:07:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"WlHGM.0.9J6.hJQwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com HOWDY Colin Jenkinson here, I'm interested. Colin Jenkinson | nonikneJ niloC -Chapman Stick, Loops, and microtonality -----Original Message----- From: Mike Biffle To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com ; subversive@mindspring.com Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 1:18 PM Subject: Re: Burning Man anyone? >Hi Jeff, > >I'm beggining some discussions concerning the dust control. Maybe >shrink wrap a GT-5 and leave only holes for cable jacks? Take a tiny 2 >space rack for an EDP and Vortex and maybe also a Yamaha QY-70? I've >heard there are *plenty* of stages which were not in use a fair >portion of the time. I'm going to post a few messages to the Burning >Man bulletin board and see if I can make contact with any stage >managers or owners... I found a tabla player who'd love to meet and >jam next year. My keyboard playing friend has light show multi-media >types who are trying to figure out how to do that there as well. > >Miko Biffle "Running scared from >all the usual distractions..." >mbiffle@svg.com > >>>> Jeff & Vonda McLeod 09/22 11:55 AM >>>> >Miko, > I didn't get to attend, but I do know someone who did. I heard >that this >year's was pretty huge attendance-wise--more so that in the past. >From >riding dead horses to destroying tanks and armored vehicles with >various >other dead animals. Sounds pretty damned crazy. I would love to play >there >(with some dust covers, of course...). >Jeff McLeod > >At 10:57 AM 9/22/1999 -0700, you wrote: >>Hi gang! >> >>Did any of youse attend this years Burning Man festival? A key >playing >friend of mine returned and is now raving about all the >techo-electronic >music he saw and is trying to get me into his game plan for next >year... >While I'm very interested, I was initially very worried about dust >and dirt >in very expensive equipment. Also noisy generators etc. I'd love to >discuss >all of this as well as the potential for some possible collaboration >at >next years event with any of you. >> >>Miko Biffle "Running scared from >all >the usual distractions..." >>mbiffle@svg.com >> >> >__________________________________________ >This is not here-- >And now is almost over... >http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ >http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 23 00:03:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27428; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:03:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:03:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990923035119.93565.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.137.56] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Burning Man anyone? Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:51:19 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"Xu8y11.0.R76.XFQwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Miko I'd love to collaberate as well but school is keeping me busy til next Sept..If I can help in some other way...let me know..Papa Dave ps looks like I scored a used mackie LM 3204, almost ready to rack. >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Burning Man anyone? >Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:27:40 EDT > >In a message dated 9/22/99 5:04:57 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, >mbiffle@svg.com writes: > ><< I'd love to discuss all of this as well as the potential for some >possible >collaboration at next years event with any of you. >> > >i recall last year someone posted the burning man web site address....im >sorry that i dont have it.....it was a fun read........miko, sign me up, im >ready..........michael > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 23 00:26:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01283; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:26:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:26:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <60af357d.251b02cb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:12:59 EDT Subject: Re: digest down since the 17th!! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"9aZqT3.0.lE7.wZQwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 9/23/99 2:03:27 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, m1cha3l@earthlink.net writes: << Do you work for Boomerang? >> no............ <> yes........very much so..........michael p.s. if you want a wood burning stove or a really excellent bombay martini, i can hook ya up..........:)......m From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 23 00:38:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05277; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:38:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:38:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: AAarons107@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:23:14 EDT Subject: Line 6 dl4 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 27 Resent-Message-ID: <"tlXEn3.0.HB.tjQwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Has anyone had experience with the new Line 6 dl4 pedal? The description says it has a 14 second looper similar in operation to the boomerang. It does not say anything else about layers, editing, midi, etc. aanyc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 23 02:13:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23719; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 02:13:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 02:13:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <7b7fb11.251b1aeb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 01:55:55 EDT Subject: Re: Boomerang and guitar To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"1UmxL.0.B55.i4Swt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Micah, No, not really running into any issues at all with the Boomerang not being in an effects loop, though I do recommend not feeding a line level device into the 'rang without the 'rang being in an effects loop. Though I do have to agree that when the 'rang is run in front of my Carvin amp, vs. the Mesa Boogie it is a little bit less clean. Now that I've been rearranging everything at home, I've been using the Boomerang more and more with my GR-30 and running it through the effects loop on the GR-30 with much better and cleaner results. Another issue I'm finding is that you want to make absolutely sure that when you set your levels on the back of the 'rang that it isn't all that hot a signal hitting the 'rang otherwise mine tends to cut out on me in the middle of a loop. Though I have to admit, I'm having a majour blast with the Boomerang vs. my Tchus, Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 23 02:13:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23727; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 02:13:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 02:13:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001d01bf0587$20a3e900$b116a5ce@stepheng> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <000c01bf053e$70bcdd00$d181b2d1@bob> Subject: Re: Burning Man anyone? Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 22:47:30 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"rRNOk3.0.ii4.cyRwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My God, is it possible that a collection of folks from this list are actually agreeing upon a place to play together? This would mean some kind of structure wherein a chap like myself could actually play! I can go along with this, so long as I'm in the country! Stephen Goodman * It's the free Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html * (Hear the NEW "Star Spangled Banner" here!) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jean or Colin Jenkinson To: Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 14:07 Subject: Re: Burning Man anyone? > HOWDY > > Colin Jenkinson here, I'm interested. > > Colin Jenkinson | nonikneJ niloC -Chapman Stick, Loops, and microtonality > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Biffle > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com ; > subversive@mindspring.com > Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 1:18 PM > Subject: Re: Burning Man anyone? > > > >Hi Jeff, > > > >I'm beggining some discussions concerning the dust control. Maybe > >shrink wrap a GT-5 and leave only holes for cable jacks? Take a tiny 2 > >space rack for an EDP and Vortex and maybe also a Yamaha QY-70? I've > >heard there are *plenty* of stages which were not in use a fair > >portion of the time. I'm going to post a few messages to the Burning > >Man bulletin board and see if I can make contact with any stage > >managers or owners... I found a tabla player who'd love to meet and > >jam next year. My keyboard playing friend has light show multi-media > >types who are trying to figure out how to do that there as well. > > > >Miko Biffle "Running scared from > >all the usual distractions..." > >mbiffle@svg.com > > > >>>> Jeff & Vonda McLeod 09/22 11:55 AM > >>>> > >Miko, > > I didn't get to attend, but I do know someone who did. I heard > >that this > >year's was pretty huge attendance-wise--more so that in the past. > >From > >riding dead horses to destroying tanks and armored vehicles with > >various > >other dead animals. Sounds pretty damned crazy. I would love to play > >there > >(with some dust covers, of course...). > >Jeff McLeod > > > >At 10:57 AM 9/22/1999 -0700, you wrote: > >>Hi gang! > >> > >>Did any of youse attend this years Burning Man festival? A key > >playing > >friend of mine returned and is now raving about all the > >techo-electronic > >music he saw and is trying to get me into his game plan for next > >year... > >While I'm very interested, I was initially very worried about dust > >and dirt > >in very expensive equipment. Also noisy generators etc. I'd love to > >discuss > >all of this as well as the potential for some possible collaboration > >at > >next years event with any of you. > >> > >>Miko Biffle "Running scared from > >all > >the usual distractions..." > >>mbiffle@svg.com > >> > >> > >__________________________________________ > >This is not here-- > >And now is almost over... > >http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ > >http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 23 03:02:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01755; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 03:02:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 03:02:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19990923020123.00cb13b0@mail.winternet.com> X-Sender: r4c@mail.winternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 02:02:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "L. Stafford" Subject: Re: Boomerang and guitar In-Reply-To: <000801bf039b$a9ea9300$eb6ec8d0@computer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"LHvXD1.0.g8.-zSwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I use a Tube Works MosValve power amp and a 60's Fender 2x12 cab. Sounds fairly tasty! :) L. At 03:09 PM 9/20/99 -0400, postaldave wrote: >What kind of amp do you use??????? > >" I use it w/ violin & cello usually before the effects chain and have had >no >problems with noise provided I set the recording gain & the loop output >volume correctly. Seeing as a guitar pickup (electric anyways) has a >hotter output than the piezo pickups that I use on my instruments, you >should have no problems if you set the record gain appropriately for your >instrument." > Lorren Stafford Richard For Cerebellum/A Most Happy Sound http://www.winternet.com/~r4c http://www.futureperfect.org/art/happy.html "We ask ourselves whether truly this is the beginning of a new world or whether perhaps the world...is about to perish. There are people who earnestly and seriously fear this, where music becomes the slave of the machine..." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 23 04:23:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA18090; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 04:23:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 04:23:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:59:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: server troubles fixed Resent-Message-ID: <"WVJ032.0.YQ3.BuTwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi- we had some server problems here at Looper's Delight over the weekend, which got fixed just as I was leaving for a business trip up to my good friends in Redmond. (who for once had nothing to do with the troubles ;-) there was some residual damage to the site that I only just now got fixed: The Looper Profiles on the web page were out of commission for a few days, it's now back. Some profiles were lost since I had to recover from a backup. If you added or updated a profile between 9/03/99 and 9/20/99, you should check it to be sure it is ok. Probably it isn't, you'll have to redo it from the profiles page: http://www.annihilist.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi sorry about that. If you don't know about the profiles page, now's a fine time to go check it out. For Digest users: The digest was also hosed as a result of server trouble. A bunch of list posts from the weekend never made it to the digest. You can find them in the archives on this page: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/LDarchive/199909/mail2.html And now you are probably receiving the digest from hell, four times bigger than usual. All the posts since the weekend were collecting in there, without getting sent because of a file corruption. Sorry! should be ok now and normally sized in the future. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 23 07:02:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA11771; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 07:02:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 07:02:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990923102256.23282.rocketmail@web113.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 03:22:56 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Digitech 2120 / Tap Tempo To: perille@club-internet.fr Cc: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"4fQWH2.0.PP1.20Wwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --- PERILLE wrote: > Could you tell me if you can change the loop tempo > afterwards using the > tap tempo once the loop is already recorded ? Using the tap tempo on an existing loop would act like, (for lack of a better description), a loop divider. In other words, whatever part of the loop that occurs between the two tap signals becomes the new loop. The other portion of the original loop would be lost. > And do you mean a loop can be already defined in > terms of number of > measures before you start recording a tapped tempo > loop ? Tap tempo simply resets the delay time. If you're using a delay with the delay time set at 10 secs & then tap the switch 8 secs apart, you will have a new delay time of 8 secs. If you were to start with the delay time set at 2 secs & then tapped the switch 8 secs apart, you would have a 2 sec loop multiplied by 4. > > Thanx > > Emmanuel You're welcome John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 23 08:02:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22516; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:02:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:02:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Doug Lawrence" To: Subject: RE: Line 6 dl4 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 07:53:57 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <"LCqy41.0.v05.1JXwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> Has anyone had experience with the new Line 6 dl4 pedal? As far as I've read here, they won't be available until October according to Line 6. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 23 09:05:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03540; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:05:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:05:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37EA2312.A944E644@apex.net> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 07:54:42 -0500 From: James Devillez Reply-To: grndflor@apex.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: Gt-3 responses Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"l-97q1.0.CH.8CYwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Anybody got a bead on a GT-3 user's group/newsgroup? go here. http://www.indiscipline.net/gr-30/main.htm James From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 23 09:16:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06553; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:16:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:16:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37EA272E.B25A45F@cedar-rapids.net> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:12:14 -0500 From: Jon Southwood X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: Lexicon Jamman on Digibid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wZEXI3.0.Xu.1NYwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Greetings, For those looking for a Jamman, there's one in the "music gear" section of www.digibid.com. I don't know any of the details about the specific unit, but the auction closes next Wednesday and current hi-bid is $350. Good luck, Jon Southwood noj@cedar-rapids.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 23 11:44:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12258; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:44:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:44:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:20:48 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, jeancolin@earthlink.net Subject: Re: Burning Man anyone? Resent-Message-ID: <"NPb7D3.0.1d1.wMawt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You're on my list as well! I'll probably do some research and things will move slowly at first. I'm going to have to also make damn sure I'm actually capable of getting there and doing this whole thing! 8-) It sounds great, but I need to do some homework first. I'll keep you all posted. Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." mbiffle@svg.com >>> "Jean or Colin Jenkinson" 09/22 8:58 PM >>> HOWDY Colin Jenkinson here, I'm interested. Colin Jenkinson | nonikneJ niloC -Chapman Stick, Loops, and microtonality -----Original Message----- From: Mike Biffle To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com ; subversive@mindspring.com Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 1:18 PM Subject: Re: Burning Man anyone? >Hi Jeff, > >I'm beggining some discussions concerning the dust control. Maybe >shrink wrap a GT-5 and leave only holes for cable jacks? Take a tiny 2 >space rack for an EDP and Vortex and maybe also a Yamaha QY-70? I've >heard there are *plenty* of stages which were not in use a fair >portion of the time. I'm going to post a few messages to the Burning >Man bulletin board and see if I can make contact with any stage >managers or owners... I found a tabla player who'd love to meet and >jam next year. My keyboard playing friend has light show multi-media >types who are trying to figure out how to do that there as well. > >Miko Biffle "Running scared from >all the usual distractions..." >mbiffle@svg.com > >>>> Jeff & Vonda McLeod 09/22 11:55 AM >>>> >Miko, > I didn't get to attend, but I do know someone who did. I heard >that this >year's was pretty huge attendance-wise--more so that in the past. >From >riding dead horses to destroying tanks and armored vehicles with >various >other dead animals. Sounds pretty damned crazy. I would love to play >there >(with some dust covers, of course...). >Jeff McLeod > >At 10:57 AM 9/22/1999 -0700, you wrote: >>Hi gang! >> >>Did any of youse attend this years Burning Man festival? A key >playing >friend of mine returned and is now raving about all the >techo-electronic >music he saw and is trying to get me into his game plan for next >year... >While I'm very interested, I was initially very worried about dust >and dirt >in very expensive equipment. Also noisy generators etc. I'd love to >discuss >all of this as well as the potential for some possible collaboration >at >next years event with any of you. >> >>Miko Biffle "Running scared from >all >the usual distractions..." >>mbiffle@svg.com >> >> >__________________________________________ >This is not here-- >And now is almost over... >http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ >http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 23 11:50:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13943; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:50:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:50:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:12:49 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, hideo@concentric.net Subject: Re: Burning Man anyone? Resent-Message-ID: <"WGUDs.0.S-.JFawt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Tom! I'll put you on my list! I'm starting to think that with the number of you guys interested. Maybe we can either find a stage with a kindly sympathetic manager or even devote a new stage to delay looping... I'd love to meet all of you out there! Big ass PA indeed! Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." mbiffle@svg.com >>> "Tom Lambrecht" 09/22 6:58 PM >>> Miko et. Loopers: I've been intrigued by this event for some time and even though it sounds like it may have lost some of it's "innocence" , I'd love to loop it . . . put me down for a couple of didgs, a PDS 8000, Zoom 2100 and a couple of other whacko pedals . . . maybe a battery-powered Korg keyboard need a big-ass PA ;) Tom Lambrecht From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 23 11:53:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14861; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:53:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:53:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:18:58 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Burning Man anyone? Resent-Message-ID: <"aO5aJ2.0.GX1.ULawt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well... my idea of collaboration is pretty loose Narendra! I'm willing to loop alone as well as with an config of various individuals. You remember Dana Scruggs? From a long ago Ramayana in Santa Clara? Well, he's evangelical about doing something next year. He's gone a few years in a row, so he's in the know about what it would take. I'm meeting with him to do some playing and a little advance planning for next years Burn! Love to have you aboard... Sounds good about the 3204. That's a nice mixer! Let me know when you've actually got it all in a big ass rack! 8-) Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." mbiffle@svg.com >>> "David Potter" 09/22 8:54 PM >>> Miko I'd love to collaberate as well but school is keeping me busy til next Sept..If I can help in some other way...let me know..Papa Dave ps looks like I scored a used mackie LM 3204, almost ready to rack. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 23 12:10:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19535; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:10:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:10:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909231525.IAA11367@scv1.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:25:26 -0500 Subject: FS: Boss GT-3 $300 (Harmony Central) From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yPUDx2.0.Jr1.zPawt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From Harmony Central: Boss GT 3 Guitar Processor -New Asking Price: US$300 Condition: Mint Age: 1 months Description: A new, Boss GT 3 guitar processor that is amazing on synths as well. 85 banks of pre-sets, fast editing, excellent user interface, midi, assignable wah/volume pedal, durable. Used about 1 hour. Includes power supply and manual/effects guide.-$300. Pre-pay. I have references. Seller: John Hunter, 804-971-7208 E-mail: blacklotus@cstone.net (Profile) Location: CHARLOTTESVILLE, VA Post Date: 9/22/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 23 12:12:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20332; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:12:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:12:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:29:01 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, sgoodman@earthlight.net Subject: Re: Burning Man anyone? Resent-Message-ID: <"Yf2-W.0.L62.aUawt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Amazing innit! My first impression was that this would be the PERFECT place for our collective stuff to happen. That's why our OWN stage would be a good bet. I'm going to keep my nose into this and try to at least give you all as much info on the possibilities as I can. Any help from you all would be great as well. http://www.burningman.com/ Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." mbiffle@svg.com >>> "Stephen Goodman" 09/22 11:04 PM >>> My God, is it possible that a collection of folks from this list are actually agreeing upon a place to play together? This would mean some kind of structure wherein a chap like myself could actually play! I can go along with this, so long as I'm in the country! Stephen Goodman * It's the free Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html * (Hear the NEW "Star Spangled Banner" here!) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jean or Colin Jenkinson To: Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 14:07 Subject: Re: Burning Man anyone? > HOWDY > > Colin Jenkinson here, I'm interested. > > Colin Jenkinson | nonikneJ niloC -Chapman Stick, Loops, and microtonality > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Biffle > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com ; > subversive@mindspring.com > Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 1:18 PM > Subject: Re: Burning Man anyone? > > > >Hi Jeff, > > > >I'm beggining some discussions concerning the dust control. Maybe > >shrink wrap a GT-5 and leave only holes for cable jacks? Take a tiny 2 > >space rack for an EDP and Vortex and maybe also a Yamaha QY-70? I've > >heard there are *plenty* of stages which were not in use a fair > >portion of the time. I'm going to post a few messages to the Burning > >Man bulletin board and see if I can make contact with any stage > >managers or owners... I found a tabla player who'd love to meet and > >jam next year. My keyboard playing friend has light show multi-media > >types who are trying to figure out how to do that there as well. > > > >Miko Biffle "Running scared from > >all the usual distractions..." > >mbiffle@svg.com > > > >>>> Jeff & Vonda McLeod 09/22 11:55 AM > >>>> > >Miko, > > I didn't get to attend, but I do know someone who did. I heard > >that this > >year's was pretty huge attendance-wise--more so that in the past. > >From > >riding dead horses to destroying tanks and armored vehicles with > >various > >other dead animals. Sounds pretty damned crazy. I would love to play > >there > >(with some dust covers, of course...). > >Jeff McLeod > > > >At 10:57 AM 9/22/1999 -0700, you wrote: > >>Hi gang! > >> > >>Did any of youse attend this years Burning Man festival? A key > >playing > >friend of mine returned and is now raving about all the > >techo-electronic > >music he saw and is trying to get me into his game plan for next > >year... > >While I'm very interested, I was initially very worried about dust > >and dirt > >in very expensive equipment. Also noisy generators etc. I'd love to > >discuss > >all of this as well as the potential for some possible collaboration > >at > >next years event with any of you. > >> > >>Miko Biffle "Running scared from > >all > >the usual distractions..." > >>mbiffle@svg.com > >> > >> > >__________________________________________ > >This is not here-- > >And now is almost over... > >http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ > >http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 23 13:14:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03273; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:14:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:14:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01ac01bf05e4$311b0540$1d2a10ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "JF Carter" , Subject: Re: Boss GT-3 Processor and looping Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:28:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"N25gZ3.0.FW7.xibwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm less than a week into the GT-3, and it (and the Japlish manual, which is printed on paper too thin for wrapping fish, otherwise it would be useful) is not in front of me, but the GT-3 can pitch shift, can night shift, can don a casual cotton shift and shift into reverse at 60mph, can hit the shift key on your computer from across the room. I'm pretty sure you can get it to think it's a Digitech Whammy, and for d-e-e-p "What The Fuck?"-ism, dig: The Auto Riff function can cause any note on the guitar to spew out up to sixteen different notes of any flavor in a four-octave range. That's a different 16-note pattern for every chromatic note, or 16 x 12. Schoenbergian atonalists, take note, or 16 notes, as it were. Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: JF Carter To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, September 20, 1999 7:24 AM Subject: Re: Boss GT-3 Processor and looping >Can any GT-3/-5 users help with some info.? > >Do these babies have good old fashioned pitch shifters >as per GX-700, ME-30, ME-8. >The specs. and reviews I've seen mention "harmoniser" >but on the older systems this is used to describe the >"intellegent pitch shifters" ie key related not the >good old fashioned ones that I know and love. There >is something wonderful about playing a stock scale >pattern but having little idea of the key of the resultant >sound until you try and play along with it. >Give me pitch shifters - I ain't moving until I get pitch shifters! > >Jim Carter > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 23 13:31:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07997; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:31:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:31:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01ae01bf05e4$3364f540$1d2a10ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: , Subject: Re: Line 6 dl4 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:51:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"W8AvV2.0.8M7.thbwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Has anyone had experience with the new Line 6 dl4 pedal? The description says >it has a 14 second looper similar in operation to the boomerang. It does not >say anything else about layers, editing, midi, etc. > >aanyc I understand it's to hit the street in October. Unless someone out there works for Line 6, there is no experience yet. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 23 13:39:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10238; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:39:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:39:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002601bf05e6$ce4664c0$d881dacf@stepheng> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: Subject: Zoom 2100 continued Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:12:19 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"Sn2Ay1.0.ic.9-bwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Having found the use of the Sound-on-Sound functionality, I've a few questions about it: * How does one close the loop? It decays a bit faster than tape, doesn't it? * How to change the decay threshold, if not close the loop via some hold function? One of the things I love about the 7.6 Time Machine is that I can close the loop, and let it go for days at a time if I want. The Zoom 2100's SoS function seems to be doing both a "stack/pop" and decay process, which differs naturally. Having found no parameters as yet to affect this, I come to thee, O Fellow Loopers... Stephen Goodman * It's the free Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html * (Hear the NEW "Star Spangled Banner" here!) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 23 13:48:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13386; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:48:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:48:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37EA6098.633E045D@home.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:17:25 -0700 From: Neil Goldstein X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: EDP through the roof Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------8DCFC4AD32CF7F545B3FA6A1" Resent-Message-ID: <"nkt-N.0.JI1.j7cwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --------------8DCFC4AD32CF7F545B3FA6A1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Contemplating selling my EDP and PMC-10 footpedal, I researched Ebay and found that on 9/7 an EDP and footpedal sold for .... $3,050 I'll sell mine for a reasonable $2,000 :-) -- Neil Goldstein ngold@home.com Portland, Oregon USA My Music on MP3.com --------------8DCFC4AD32CF7F545B3FA6A1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Contemplating selling my EDP and PMC-10 footpedal, I researched Ebay and found that on 9/7 an EDP and footpedal sold for ....

$3,050

I'll sell mine for a reasonable $2,000 :-)
 
 
 

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Neil Goldstein
ngold@home.com
Portland, Oregon USA
 My Music on MP3.com
 
  --------------8DCFC4AD32CF7F545B3FA6A1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 23 14:42:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27681; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:42:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:42:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001501bf05f0$58d4e360$7023dacf@stepheng> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Burning Man anyone? Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:19:32 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"zi9Fj2.0.vI5.U-cwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Okay then. Since we'll all have our own audio portion, I suppose all we'll really need for resources is power, plugins and PA... (I've no amps of course)... But on the visual end, what do you all use? Presently I'm experimenting with the sound-sensitive capabilities of the Psychedelic Screen Saver for providing an attractive and interactive backdrop, but of course this kind of thing would require the use of a video projector... Thoughts in this? I think that, with the right setup, we could end up making quite a stir! Stephen Goodman * It's the free Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html * (Hear the NEW "Star Spangled Banner" here!) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Biffle To: ; Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 08:29 Subject: Re: Burning Man anyone? > Amazing innit! My first impression was that this would be the PERFECT > place for our collective stuff to happen. That's why our OWN stage > would be a good bet. I'm going to keep my nose into this and try to at > least give you all as much info on the possibilities as I can. Any > help from you all would be great as well. > > http://www.burningman.com/ > > Miko Biffle "Running scared from > all the usual distractions..." > mbiffle@svg.com > > >>> "Stephen Goodman" 09/22 11:04 PM >>> > My God, is it possible that a collection of folks from this list are > actually agreeing upon a place to play together? This would mean > some kind > of structure wherein a chap like myself could actually play! I can > go along > with this, so long as I'm in the country! > > Stephen Goodman * It's the free Loop Of The Week! > EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html > * > (Hear the NEW "Star Spangled Banner" here!) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jean or Colin Jenkinson > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 14:07 > Subject: Re: Burning Man anyone? > > > > HOWDY > > > > Colin Jenkinson here, I'm interested. > > > > Colin Jenkinson | nonikneJ niloC -Chapman Stick, Loops, and > microtonality > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mike Biffle > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > ; > > subversive@mindspring.com > > Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 1:18 PM > > Subject: Re: Burning Man anyone? > > > > > > >Hi Jeff, > > > > > >I'm beggining some discussions concerning the dust control. Maybe > > >shrink wrap a GT-5 and leave only holes for cable jacks? Take a > tiny 2 > > >space rack for an EDP and Vortex and maybe also a Yamaha QY-70? > I've > > >heard there are *plenty* of stages which were not in use a fair > > >portion of the time. I'm going to post a few messages to the > Burning > > >Man bulletin board and see if I can make contact with any stage > > >managers or owners... I found a tabla player who'd love to meet > and > > >jam next year. My keyboard playing friend has light show > multi-media > > >types who are trying to figure out how to do that there as well. > > > > > >Miko Biffle "Running scared > from > > >all the usual distractions..." > > >mbiffle@svg.com > > > > > >>>> Jeff & Vonda McLeod 09/22 11:55 > AM > > >>>> > > >Miko, > > > I didn't get to attend, but I do know someone who did. I heard > > >that this > > >year's was pretty huge attendance-wise--more so that in the past. > > >From > > >riding dead horses to destroying tanks and armored vehicles with > > >various > > >other dead animals. Sounds pretty damned crazy. I would love to > play > > >there > > >(with some dust covers, of course...). > > >Jeff McLeod > > > > > >At 10:57 AM 9/22/1999 -0700, you wrote: > > >>Hi gang! > > >> > > >>Did any of youse attend this years Burning Man festival? A key > > >playing > > >friend of mine returned and is now raving about all the > > >techo-electronic > > >music he saw and is trying to get me into his game plan for next > > >year... > > >While I'm very interested, I was initially very worried about > dust > > >and dirt > > >in very expensive equipment. Also noisy generators etc. I'd love > to > > >discuss > > >all of this as well as the potential for some possible > collaboration > > >at > > >next years event with any of you. > > >> > > >>Miko Biffle "Running scared > from > > >all > > >the usual distractions..." > > >>mbiffle@svg.com > > >> > > >> > > >__________________________________________ > > >This is not here-- > > >And now is almost over... > > >http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ > > >http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 23 16:07:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17464; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:07:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:07:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Mailer: CTM PowerMail 2.3 x-sender: matt@mail1.xoom.com Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:42:23 -0700 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: Matt Peterson Subject: Portable Power/PA Message-Id: <19990923124223.025719@smtp.xoom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TkV_Y3.0.ed2.u9ewt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anyone looking for a portable supply of AC power and a portable PA system might want to check out Galaxy Audio: http://www.galaxyaudio.com/GalaxyP.html They make a portable AC box and portable PA systems. Not exactly cheap, but probably easier to deal with than generators, and a lot less noisy! I haven't used these products myself, but Location Sound Corp. (locationsound.com) carries them and they are very reputable company. Matt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 23 16:09:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17759; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:09:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:09:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: <8142a05.251bdd25@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:44:37 EDT Subject: Re: EDP through the roof To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 246 Resent-Message-ID: <"EAqmk1.0.mu2.cDewt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 23 17:20:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04117; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:20:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:20:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: AAarons107@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:39:37 EDT Subject: Re: EDP through the roof To: Neil Goldstein , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL NetMail version 2.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"GzMHM2.0.YQ6.v0fwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for the message. I just received a message from a guy selling his for 1500. Does your edp have the installed memory or expanded? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 23 17:45:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10203; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:45:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:45:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: alex@cliff.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990923124223.025719@smtp.xoom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:45:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Portable Power/PA Resent-Message-ID: <"Wzw-11.0.Fo6.76fwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Galaxy gel-cell-plus-inverter box is nice but Far Outlet is just too cuuute of a name. You can make your own for a lot less. I used one of those sealed battery packs sold for emergency car-starting, a small 12V-120V inverter, and a plastic box. It works well, and I have the ticket to prove it! The first time I used my remote setup, we were cited for "recording music without a permit in a national park" in the Golden Gate Headlands. I had a Neumann mic in one of the concrete bunker/echo chambers there, looped through an Eventide H3000 playing back into Cambridge Model 11 suitcase speakers in other parts of the bunker, and a stereo mic to record the whole mess on DAT. The more expensive inverters provide cleaner power, but I didn't have any hum or buzz problems with the $50 "modified sine-wave" unit I used. The Cambridge Model 11 has more in common with home stereo than PA, but it is a convenient package that runs on 12V and sounds pretty good at "acoustic" levels. Basically it's a pair of little speakers and a little amp that come in a suitcase, and the suitcase doubles as a woofer once you unpack it. I had no idea there were laws about recording outdoors (especially the ridiculously quiet ambient stuff we were doing), and fortunately neither did the judge, who dismissed it and sent me home with a frameworthy memento and a good anecdote. -Alex S. >Anyone looking for a portable supply of AC power and a portable PA system >might want to check out Galaxy Audio: > >http://www.galaxyaudio.com/GalaxyP.html > >They make a portable AC box and portable PA systems. Not exactly cheap, >but probably easier to deal with than generators, and a lot less noisy! > >I haven't used these products myself, but Location Sound Corp. >(locationsound.com) carries them and they are very reputable company. > >Matt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 23 18:04:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15249; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:04:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:04:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37EA9EA4.74983E91@home.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:42:05 -0700 From: Neil Goldstein X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP through the roof References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Sc8MP1.0.pZ2.X_fwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com AAarons107@aol.com wrote: > Thanks for the message. > I just received a message from a guy selling his for 1500. Does your edp have the installed memory or expanded? Maxed. -- Neil Goldstein ngold@home.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 23 21:56:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02725; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 21:56:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 21:56:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37EAD3A1.171A@voicenet.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 21:28:01 -0400 From: legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: AAarons107@aol.com, ngold@home.com Subject: Re: EDP through the roof References: <37EA9EA4.74983E91@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NXoFU2.0.eV7.VNjwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Um... speaking for myself, and I'm unanimous in this, if you guys are *really* going to start a rape price discussion on selling an Echoplex could you please take it offlist? Everyone here knows about the idiotic Ebay sale. Quite a few people tried to lure the second bidder away as well. If it sold for that so be it but that one sale is *not* the be all and end all of EDP sales nor should it be. Soon you'll be able to buy one for less than $900 or so with foot pedal and that whopping extra $25 or so to max the memory out. Until then you can find them easily for that price or less if you bother to put a few minutes into your search. If you feel it necessary to sell or buy a unit for three times what it's worth have the class to do it privately and not flaunt your greed or ignorance here. Just my $3000.02. I'll shut up now. > AAarons107@aol.com wrote: > > Thanks for the message. > > I just received a message from a guy selling his for 1500. Does your edp have the installed memory or expanded? > Maxed. > Neil Goldstein ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 23 23:45:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26641; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 23:45:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 23:45:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: EDP through the roof Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:23:57 -0700 Message-ID: <000201bf063c$3da52220$9f8b0b18@pinol1.sfba.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01BF0601.91464A20" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <37EA6098.633E045D@home.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"3W1sB.0.fM5.Bykwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01BF0601.91464A20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think this doesn't even make a good joke. There are a lot of us waiting to purchase an Echoplex, but I think everybody agrees here that it's not worth $2,000. I just want to clarify this in case anybody from Gibson or Sony or whoever ends up manufacturing and selling Echoplexi will get the idea that perhaps they should price them anywhere above $600. Because one desperate baboon paid that price on E-bay doesn't mean that's now the market price. Get with it. -----Original Message----- From: Neil Goldstein [mailto:ngold@home.com] Sent: Thursday 23 September 1999 10:17 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EDP through the roof Contemplating selling my EDP and PMC-10 footpedal, I researched Ebay and found that on 9/7 an EDP and footpedal sold for .... $3,050 I'll sell mine for a reasonable $2,000 :-) -- Neil Goldstein ngold@home.com Portland, Oregon USA My Music on MP3.com ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01BF0601.91464A20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I=20 think this doesn't even make a good joke.  There are a lot of us = waiting to=20 purchase an Echoplex, but I think everybody agrees here that it's not = worth=20 $2,000.  I just want to clarify this in case anybody from Gibson or = Sony or=20 whoever ends up manufacturing and selling Echoplexi will get the idea = that=20 perhaps they should price them anywhere above $600.  Because one = desperate=20 baboon paid that price on E-bay doesn't mean that's now the market = price. =20 Get with it.

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: Neil Goldstein=20 [mailto:ngold@home.com]
Sent: Thursday 23 September 1999 = 10:17=20 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: EDP = through=20 the roof

Contemplating=20 selling my EDP and PMC-10 footpedal, I researched Ebay and found that = on 9/7=20 an EDP and footpedal sold for ....=20

$3,050=20

I'll sell mine for a reasonable $2,000 :-)
 
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 =20

--
Neil Goldstein
ngold@home.com
Portland, Oregon USA=20
 My Music = on=20 MP3.com
 
 

------=_NextPart_000_0003_01BF0601.91464A20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 24 00:13:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA32226; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 00:13:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 00:13:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990924034805.23827.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [208.252.156.236] From: "Sean Witters" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Vision DSP 4.5 & VST Pluggins Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:48:05 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"tH3-t1.0.er6.SLlwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I tried to install the freeware Steinberg Neon VST pluggin for use with Opcode Vision DSP 4.5 and it doesn't seem to want to appear in the menu, although on start up I believe the program recognizes it. Has anyone got any experience with this? Any other freeware VST synths out there? Thanks, Sean ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 24 00:34:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA07202; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 00:34:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 00:34:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001801bf0643$d0d5a0e0$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: References: <000201bf063c$3da52220$9f8b0b18@pinol1.sfba.home.com> Subject: Re: EDP through the roof Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 23:18:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01BF0619.E746F740" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"WriOH1.0.gE.rhlwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BF0619.E746F740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There's a desperate baboon born every minute... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Javier Miranda V.=20 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=20 Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 10:23 PM Subject: RE: EDP through the roof I think this doesn't even make a good joke. There are a lot of us = waiting to purchase an Echoplex, but I think everybody agrees here that = it's not worth $2,000. I just want to clarify this in case anybody from = Gibson or Sony or whoever ends up manufacturing and selling Echoplexi = will get the idea that perhaps they should price them anywhere above = $600. Because one desperate baboon paid that price on E-bay doesn't = mean that's now the market price. Get with it. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BF0619.E746F740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There's a desperate baboon born every=20 minute...
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Javier Miranda=20 V.
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 10:23 PM
Subject: RE: EDP through the roof

I=20 think this doesn't even make a good joke.  There are a lot of us = waiting to=20 purchase an Echoplex, but I think everybody agrees here that it's not = worth=20 $2,000.  I just want to clarify this in case anybody from Gibson or = Sony or=20 whoever ends up manufacturing and selling Echoplexi will get the idea = that=20 perhaps they should price them anywhere above $600.  Because one = desperate=20 baboon paid that price on E-bay doesn't mean that's now the market = price. =20 Get with it.
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BF0619.E746F740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 24 00:44:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09994; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 00:44:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 00:44:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990923232324.007b9580@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: wakacreative@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 23:23:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod Subject: Swans In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"x7nAF1.0.xv._plwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, all... I just wanted to mention something great that I've just this month run across. For a long, long time I've been familiar with the band Swans. But's it's only been recently that I have picked up some of their recordings. I had to write to the list to let anyone who's interested in incredible, emotional, frightening music know about them. There's plenty of looping going on--even on the earliest recordings from the beginning of the 80s. I cannot stress to everyone how wonderful and amazing this music is. I would also recommend any of the recent work by Swans leader Michael Gira. Two great Swans-related recordings, just to give you a couple, are: Soundtracks For The Blind and Michael Gira's Drainland recording. Here's a link to the band's website, for anyone who might like to find out more about them: http://www.swans.pair.com/ This is one of those bands that makes one wonder how in the hell they've gone so long without listening to them. So I just thought I drop the good word here. Sincerely, Jeff McLeod __________________________________________ This is not here-- And now is almost over... http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 24 01:41:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20146; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 01:41:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 01:41:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37EB0685.67AD2786@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:05:09 +1000 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP through the roof References: <37EA9EA4.74983E91@home.com> <37EAD3A1.171A@voicenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wIjUY1.0.qR3.sQmwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hmmm... don't know what the problem is... when they were available in australia (i believe it was in 1995 during an extremely rare cosmic alignment that lasted about 2 days) an EDP-with-pedal actually cost aus$3000... legion wrote: > > Um... speaking for myself, and I'm unanimous in this, if you guys are > *really* going to start a rape price discussion on selling an Echoplex > could you please take it offlist? Everyone here knows about the idiotic > Ebay sale. Quite a few people tried to lure the second bidder away as > well. If it sold for that so be it but that one sale is *not* the be all > and end all of EDP sales nor should it be. Soon you'll be able to buy > one for less than $900 or so with foot pedal and that whopping extra $25 > or so to max the memory out. Until then you can find them easily for > that price or less if you bother to put a few minutes into your search. > > If you feel it necessary to sell or buy a unit for three times what it's > worth have the class to do it privately and not flaunt your greed or > ignorance here. Just my $3000.02. I'll shut up now. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 24 02:56:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01044; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 02:56:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 02:56:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909240637.GAA23683@m3.worldnet.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:40:28 +0200 Subject: Re : Vision DSP 4.5 & VST Pluggins From: "Lionel Hubert" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id CAA30354 Resent-Message-ID: <"6nLUV1.0.WQ7.1nnwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Have you got VST 2.0 protocole on Vision ? Neon works only with it Lionel ---------- >De : "Sean Witters" >À : Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Objet : Vision DSP 4.5 & VST Pluggins >Date : Ven 24 sep 1999 5:48 > > I tried to install the freeware Steinberg Neon VST pluggin for use with > Opcode Vision DSP 4.5 and it doesn't seem to want to appear in the menu, > although on start up I believe the program recognizes it. Has anyone got > any experience with this? Any other freeware VST synths out there? > Thanks, Sean > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 24 06:50:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA30248; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 06:50:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 06:50:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990924103632.006cf87c@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:36:32 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: leocavallo Subject: Re: Vision DSP 4.5 & VST Pluggins Resent-Message-ID: <"j8YRt1.0.tt6.qGrwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com vision is not really a plug in... it's a virtual instruments... only VST 2.0 compatible software can use it... ciao leo At 20.48 23/09/99 PDT, you wrote: >I tried to install the freeware Steinberg Neon VST pluggin for use with >Opcode Vision DSP 4.5 and it doesn't seem to want to appear in the menu, >although on start up I believe the program recognizes it. Has anyone got >any experience with this? Any other freeware VST synths out there? >Thanks, Sean > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 24 08:01:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA11701; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:01:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:01:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990924114543.006ce87c@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:45:43 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: leocavallo Subject: Re: Vision DSP 4.5 & VST Pluggins Resent-Message-ID: <"kwjij3.0.mB2.fHswt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sorry I meant NEON..... not vision! ;) vision is not really a plug in... it's a virtual instruments... only VST 2.0 compatible software can use it... ciao leo At 20.48 23/09/99 PDT, you wrote: >I tried to install the freeware Steinberg Neon VST pluggin for use with >Opcode Vision DSP 4.5 and it doesn't seem to want to appear in the menu, >although on start up I believe the program recognizes it. Has anyone got >any experience with this? Any other freeware VST synths out there? >Thanks, Sean > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 24 09:34:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29733; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:34:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:34:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990924132521.6333.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.130.22] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Echoplexamanic Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 06:25:20 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"DdBVu3.0.Yw6.lltwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From: "David Potter" >To: Papadave55@hotmail.com >Subject: Fwd: failure notice >Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 05:46:37 PDT > > > > >Some new company is gonna make alot of money when the technology comes >together..imagine a jamaboomaplex,a echorangaman,or a >Digaboomerplexajammerrangapro...We don't have to worry because some rich >duffus is trying to impress people with his money...to some $600,$3000, >$30,000... money means nothing to some people. Let him show off...I wonder >if he can play it it??? Soon enough a new machine will manifest and come >in >at around $600..Maybe the Matrix Alien Looper...will make them all >obsolete... >Loop on my friends ,everything is O.K....Papa Dave > > > >From: "Javier Miranda V." > >Reply-To: > >To: > >Subject: RE: EDP through the roof > >Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:23:57 -0700 > > > >I think this doesn't even make a good joke. There are a lot of us >waiting > >to purchase an Echoplex, but I think everybody agrees here that it's not > >worth $2,000. I just want to clarify this in case anybody from Gibson or > >Sony or whoever ends up manufacturing and selling Echoplexi will get the > >idea that perhaps they should price them anywhere above $600. Because >one > >desperate baboon paid that price on E-bay doesn't mean that's now the > >market > >price. Get with it. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Neil Goldstein [mailto:ngold@home.com] > > Sent: Thursday 23 September 1999 10:17 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Subject: EDP through the roof > > > > > > Contemplating selling my EDP and PMC-10 footpedal, I researched Ebay >and > >found that on 9/7 an EDP and footpedal sold for .... > > $3,050 > > > > I'll sell mine for a reasonable $2,000 :-) > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Neil Goldstein > > ngold@home.com > > Portland, Oregon USA > > My Music on MP3.com > > > > > > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 24 10:21:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08034; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:21:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:21:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909241413.HAA17126@scv2.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:13:43 -0500 Subject: FS: Digitech PDS 8000 $300, Harmony Central From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kHbV31.0.rZ1.gSuwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dealer Ad: Digitech PDS-8000 and more!!! Asking Price: US$N/A Condition: Mint Age: N/A Description: Digitech PDS-8000, excellent+++...$300.00 + shipping Electro Harmonix Big Muff, 1st issue,triangle knob, excellent+...$250.00 + shipping Pearl Compressor, mint...$60.00 Dean Markley Overlord model I, mint in box with booklet and sticker...$135.00 + shipping ( this model smokes the Chandler unit and is AC powered) Boss OD-1, mint with original price tag still on it...$115.00 + shipping Mutron phasor, excellent+...$145.00 + shipping Way to much to list, please email... Payment by money order and all FX shipped USPS insured. Seller: Pro Analog, 317-824-0574 E-mail: proanalog@aol.com (Profile) ICQ#: 7846169 Post Date: 9/23/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 24 10:28:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09944; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:28:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:28:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909241415.HAA17415@scv2.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:15:25 -0500 Subject: FS: Boss GT-5 $400+shipping, Harmony Central From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ujEvN.0.zc1.CUuwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com GT-5 Asking Price: US$450 Condition: Excellent Age: N/A Description: gt-5 in great shape includes manual and lots of patches printed from internet sites. this is the more editable pro level version of the gt-3, I am asking 450 for it and I will pay the shipping, if you pay the shipping I will take 400 + shipping. reply to email or phone 214 874 6379 and leave message Seller: Bruce O'Leary, 2144023658 E-mail: boleary@homecomings.com (Profile) Location: PLANO, TX Post Date: 9/23/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 24 10:59:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17145; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:59:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:59:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282D5C8@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Digitech PDS 8000 $300, Harmony Central Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:52:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"IzWJd2.0.0i3.a0vwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wow a digitech pds8000 for only a lot more than it listed for new, what a deal.kidding. Actually this is a good unit. I used to own one years ago. DT Digitech PDS-8000, excellent+++...$300.00 + shipping From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 24 11:00:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17293; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:00:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:00:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990924144443.19766.rocketmail@web217.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 07:44:43 -0700 (PDT) From: M T Reply-To: mt@motiontek.com Subject: recording expo in NY To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"Y48P13.0.bL3.Pwuwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey - Anybody going to go to the recording thing at the Javitz to harass Gibson personally about the EDP? They have been busy creating a new musical standard, apparently, when all WE want is one of their old instruments.. http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/107AES/Gibson/GMICS.html MT __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 24 11:28:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23967; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:28:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:28:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:45:40 -0400 (EDT) From: wbf@aloft.micro.lucent.com (William_B_Fox) Message-Id: <199909241445.KAA16126@badboy.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Resent-Message-ID: <"kCrd_.0.ra3.ezuwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Playlist for "EMUSIC" "EMUSIC," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. http://www.wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html Show #131 September 23, 1999. Host: Bill Fox http://www.wdiyfm.org billfox@fast.net On this show, I began the (interrupted) month-long focus on Utah musician Robert Carty. Though unsigned, Robert releases his music on his CDR label, Deep Sky Music to critical acclaim. Each CD is individually hand painted by Robert. The feature CD at midnight was Silent Dreams. Robert Carty : http://www.california.com/~eameece/carty.htm EMUSIC Focus : http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/focus.html Music by Tim Story was played in support of Star's End Gathering XX in nearby Philadelphia. Music by Cerullo and Keller & Schonwalder was played in support of E-Live '99 in Nijmegen, The Netherlands. Both concerts will be on October 9. Star's End : http://www.starsend.org/20gather.html E-Live '99 : http://stichting-crew.nl/elive1999.html ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================= 11:00 pm Victor Cerullo The Signal Ludus (Groove) Mark Sarno The Next Leap Is Mine Throw Off the Mask (Kinesis) Keller & Schonwalder knust part three Concerts (Manikin) V. Obmana & J. Pearce Wander True Stories (Mirage) Tim Story Careen Abridged (Hearts of Space) Tony Gerber Kitt Peak Blue Western Sky (Lektronic Soundscapes) Robert Carty The Living Universe The Living (Deep Sky Music) 12:00 am Robert Carty Rest Silent Dreams (Deep Sky Music) Robert Carty Alpha Call Silent Dreams (Deep Sky Music) Robert Carty Floating Silent Dreams (Deep Sky Music) Robert Carty Emerging Dreams Silent Dreams (Deep Sky Music) Robert Carty Revealings of Heart Silent Dreams (Deep Sky Music) Robert Carty Returning Silent Dreams (Deep Sky Music) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I will conclude the month-long focus on Utah musician Robert Carty. This unsigned artist deserves widespread recognition. The Feature CD at Midnight will be Cloud Pull. Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the EMUSIC pages. Playlists for every show are there. Hot links to artists and labels can be found in the monthly focus section. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 24 13:05:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16836; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:05:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:05:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37EBA78F.722D556D@home.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:32:20 -0700 From: Neil Goldstein X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP through the roof References: <37EA9EA4.74983E91@home.com> <37EAD3A1.171A@voicenet.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------E3F11A040B39E0D789E1A656" Resent-Message-ID: <"5WMe61.0.CT2.UZwwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --------------E3F11A040B39E0D789E1A656 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit legion wrote: > Um... speaking for myself, and I'm unanimous in this, Are you really Yogi Berra? -- Neil Goldstein ngold@home.com Portland, Oregon USA My Music on MP3.com --------------E3F11A040B39E0D789E1A656 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit legion wrote:
Um... speaking for myself, and I'm unanimous in this,
Are you really Yogi Berra?

--
Neil Goldstein
ngold@home.com
Portland, Oregon USA
 My Music on MP3.com
 
  --------------E3F11A040B39E0D789E1A656-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 24 14:17:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03019; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:17:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:17:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37EBBA75.33A5F0EA@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:52:54 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boss GT-3 Processor (now effects loop?) References: <010201bf008c$4daf0380$4c2310ac@Douglas> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"s9l4y1.0.kF7.cixwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "K. Douglas Baldwin" wrote: > And it has an outboard in-out point - an > outboard FX loop point - which can be similarly assigned to any point in the > configuration. I could rant for multiple screens on it, but I have a > deadline... I just got my GT-3 and even a short demo has really impressed me for tone from a pedal. I am trying to put my Digitech Space Station into the effects loop but it is not happening. The manual does not have much on the effects loop so please clue me in to the secret! I get no signal out to the S.S.. Its like its not engaged at all. tia, jd > > > Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster > dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 24 15:17:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17212; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:17:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:17:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:24:43 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, jmar@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: Boss GT-3 Processor (now effects loop?) Resent-Message-ID: <"1DdwR3.0.yA1.49ywt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Jeff... The loop is indeed probably disengaged... You need to push on the loop button twice to engage it, or push once then scroll to on/off and turn in on in the patch. You can also assign the loop on/off status to the control switch or expression pedal so you have control over whether it's in the chain or not. There are also parameters which control the level of the loop so scroll over and check them out. You'll determing which settings work best with your Space Station. If you turn the loop on, remember to store it so that it will be on when you return to that patch. Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." mbiffle@svg.com >>> Jeff Duke 09/24 11:02 AM >>> "K. Douglas Baldwin" wrote: > And it has an outboard in-out point - an > outboard FX loop point - which can be similarly assigned to any point in the > configuration. I could rant for multiple screens on it, but I have a > deadline... I just got my GT-3 and even a short demo has really impressed me for tone from a pedal. I am trying to put my Digitech Space Station into the effects loop but it is not happening. The manual does not have much on the effects loop so please clue me in to the secret! I get no signal out to the S.S.. Its like its not engaged at all. tia, jd > > > Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster > dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 24 15:49:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26333; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:49:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:49:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37EBCCC4.149AC97@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:11:00 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Biffle CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boss GT-3 Processor (now effects loop?) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3dcJd3.0.354.srywt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well it may be these new multivision lenses but I indeed can't find any controls for the effects loop. It does name the in and out for it the ext od/dis which is how they name the overdrive/distortion button. j the d Mike Biffle wrote: > Hi Jeff... > > The loop is indeed probably disengaged... You need to push on the > loop button twice to engage it, or push once then scroll to on/off and > turn in on in the patch. You can also assign the loop on/off status to > the control switch or expression pedal so you have control over > whether it's in the chain or not. There are also parameters which > control the level of the loop so scroll over and check them out. > You'll determing which settings work best with your Space Station. If > you turn the loop on, remember to store it so that it will be on when > you return to that patch. > > Miko Biffle "Running scared from > all the usual distractions..." > mbiffle@svg.com > > >>> Jeff Duke 09/24 11:02 AM >>> > > "K. Douglas Baldwin" wrote: > > > And it has an outboard in-out point - an > > outboard FX loop point - which can be similarly assigned to any > point in the > > configuration. I could rant for multiple screens on it, but I have > a > > deadline... > > I just got my GT-3 and even a short demo has really impressed me for > tone from a > pedal. > > I am trying to put my Digitech Space Station into the effects loop > but it is not > happening. The manual does not have much on the effects loop so > please clue me > in to the secret! I get no signal out to the S.S.. Its like its not > engaged at > all. > > tia, > > jd > > > > > > > Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster > > dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 24 16:21:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02081; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:21:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:21:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909241949.MAA18067@scv3.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:49:36 -0500 Subject: Re: Boss GT-3 Processor (now effects loop?) From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"080wN3.0.kS6.ZNzwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I happen to have the manual here at work, and I can find no mention of the loop other than the jack description on page 10. I've never used it myself. TH ---------- >From: Mike Biffle >To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com, jmar@bellsouth.net >Subject: Re: Boss GT-3 Processor (now effects loop?) >Date: Fri, Sep 24, 1999, 2:35 PM > > Wow Jeff... maybe it's in the Master button section... or worse, they > eliminated it. From what I've read and what K. Doug Baldwin has said though > it sounds like it shoud be in there somewhere. Keep looking. BTW: I have a > GT-5 so I'm not the best guy to give you the detailed i/o on the GT-3. Anyone else? > >>>> Jeff Duke 09/24 11:35 AM >>> > Hi Miko, thanks but where is the loop button? I can't find it at all or > any reference to it in the manual. > > jeff > > Mike Biffle wrote: > >> Hi Jeff... >> >> The loop is indeed probably disengaged... You need to push on the >> loop button twice to engage it, or push once then scroll to on/off and >> turn in on in the patch. You can also assign the loop on/off status to >> the control switch or expression pedal so you have control over >> whether it's in the chain or not. There are also parameters which >> control the level of the loop so scroll over and check them out. >> You'll determing which settings work best with your Space Station. If >> you turn the loop on, remember to store it so that it will be on when >> you return to that patch. >> >> Miko Biffle "Running scared from >> all the usual distractions..." >> mbiffle@svg.com >> >> >>> Jeff Duke 09/24 11:02 AM >>> >> >> "K. Douglas Baldwin" wrote: >> >> > And it has an outboard in-out point - an >> > outboard FX loop point - which can be similarly assigned to any >> point in the >> > configuration. I could rant for multiple screens on it, but I have >> a >> > deadline... >> >> I just got my GT-3 and even a short demo has really impressed me for >> tone from a >> pedal. >> >> I am trying to put my Digitech Space Station into the effects loop >> but it is not >> happening. The manual does not have much on the effects loop so >> please clue me >> in to the secret! I get no signal out to the S.S.. Its like its not >> engaged at >> all. >> >> tia, >> >> jd >> >> > >> > >> > Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster >> > dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 24 16:08:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31133; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:08:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:08:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:35:14 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com, jmar@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: Boss GT-3 Processor (now effects loop?) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id PAA22079 Resent-Message-ID: <"wcX8_.0.FP5.ABzwt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wow Jeff... maybe it's in the Master button section... or worse, they eliminated it. From what I've read and what K. Doug Baldwin has said though it sounds like it shoud be in there somewhere. Keep looking. BTW: I have a GT-5 so I'm not the best guy to give you the detailed i/o on the GT-3. Anyone else? >>> Jeff Duke 09/24 11:35 AM >>> Hi Miko, thanks but where is the loop button? I can't find it at all or any reference to it in the manual. jeff Mike Biffle wrote: > Hi Jeff... > > The loop is indeed probably disengaged... You need to push on the > loop button twice to engage it, or push once then scroll to on/off and > turn in on in the patch. You can also assign the loop on/off status to > the control switch or expression pedal so you have control over > whether it's in the chain or not. There are also parameters which > control the level of the loop so scroll over and check them out. > You'll determing which settings work best with your Space Station. If > you turn the loop on, remember to store it so that it will be on when > you return to that patch. > > Miko Biffle "Running scared from > all the usual distractions..." > mbiffle@svg.com > > >>> Jeff Duke 09/24 11:02 AM >>> > > "K. Douglas Baldwin" wrote: > > > And it has an outboard in-out point - an > > outboard FX loop point - which can be similarly assigned to any > point in the > > configuration. I could rant for multiple screens on it, but I have > a > > deadline... > > I just got my GT-3 and even a short demo has really impressed me for > tone from a > pedal. > > I am trying to put my Digitech Space Station into the effects loop > but it is not > happening. The manual does not have much on the effects loop so > please clue me > in to the secret! I get no signal out to the S.S.. Its like its not > engaged at > all. > > tia, > > jd > > > > > > > Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster > > dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 24 16:55:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10426; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:55:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:55:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37EBDFA1.2EF9E2E1@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:31:29 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boss GT-3 Processor (now effects loop?) References: <199909241949.MAA18067@scv3.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"R5O4z3.0.5C1.E1-wt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Its on page 43. jeff Travis Hartnett wrote: > I happen to have the manual here at work, and I can find no mention of the > loop other than the jack description on page 10. I've never used it myself. > > TH > > ---------- > >From: Mike Biffle > >To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com, jmar@bellsouth.net > >Subject: Re: Boss GT-3 Processor (now effects loop?) > >Date: Fri, Sep 24, 1999, 2:35 PM > > > > > Wow Jeff... maybe it's in the Master button section... or worse, they > > eliminated it. From what I've read and what K. Doug Baldwin has said though > > it sounds like it shoud be in there somewhere. Keep looking. BTW: I have a > > GT-5 so I'm not the best guy to give you the detailed i/o on the GT-3. Anyone > else? > > > >>>> Jeff Duke 09/24 11:35 AM >>> > > Hi Miko, thanks but where is the loop button? I can't find it at all or > > any reference to it in the manual. > > > > jeff > > > > Mike Biffle wrote: > > > >> Hi Jeff... > >> > >> The loop is indeed probably disengaged... You need to push on the > >> loop button twice to engage it, or push once then scroll to on/off and > >> turn in on in the patch. You can also assign the loop on/off status to > >> the control switch or expression pedal so you have control over > >> whether it's in the chain or not. There are also parameters which > >> control the level of the loop so scroll over and check them out. > >> You'll determing which settings work best with your Space Station. If > >> you turn the loop on, remember to store it so that it will be on when > >> you return to that patch. > >> > >> Miko Biffle "Running scared from > >> all the usual distractions..." > >> mbiffle@svg.com > >> > >> >>> Jeff Duke 09/24 11:02 AM >>> > >> > >> "K. Douglas Baldwin" wrote: > >> > >> > And it has an outboard in-out point - an > >> > outboard FX loop point - which can be similarly assigned to any > >> point in the > >> > configuration. I could rant for multiple screens on it, but I have > >> a > >> > deadline... > >> > >> I just got my GT-3 and even a short demo has really impressed me for > >> tone from a > >> pedal. > >> > >> I am trying to put my Digitech Space Station into the effects loop > >> but it is not > >> happening. The manual does not have much on the effects loop so > >> please clue me > >> in to the secret! I get no signal out to the S.S.. Its like its not > >> engaged at > >> all. > >> > >> tia, > >> > >> jd > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster > >> > dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 24 17:04:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12616; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:04:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:04:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37EBDF53.FC07186D@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:30:11 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: Mike Biffle CC: INTERNET#c#annihilist.com#c#loopers-delight@svg.com Subject: Re: Boss GT-3 Processor (now effects loop?) References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id QAA04719 Resent-Message-ID: <"pW91j2.0.-91.t0-wt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It looks like I found it. However its only available as a "type" of distortion so if I wanted to put my Rat and the Space Station in the loop then I could assign the effects loop to that patch but I can't use the effects loop and another distortion effect at the same time. I'll have to think of something else.... jeff sorry for the double posts to you Miko, I keep hitting the wrong button ...... Mike Biffle wrote: > Wow Jeff... maybe it's in the Master button section... or worse, they > eliminated it. From what I've read and what K. Doug Baldwin has said > though it sounds like it shoud be in there somewhere. Keep looking. > BTW: I have a GT-5 so I'm not the best guy to give you the detailed > i/o on the GT-3. Anyone else? > > >>> Jeff Duke 09/24 11:35 AM >>> > Hi Miko, thanks but where is the loop button? I can't find it at all > or > any reference to it in the manual. > > jeff > > Mike Biffle wrote: > > > Hi Jeff... > > > > The loop is indeed probably disengaged... You need to push on the > > loop button twice to engage it, or push once then scroll to on/off > and > > turn in on in the patch. You can also assign the loop on/off status > to > > the control switch or expression pedal so you have control over > > whether it's in the chain or not. There are also parameters which > > control the level of the loop so scroll over and check them out. > > You'll determing which settings work best with your Space Station. > If > > you turn the loop on, remember to store it so that it will be on > when > > you return to that patch. > > > > Miko Biffle "Running scared > from > > all the usual distractions..." > > mbiffle@svg.com > > > > >>> Jeff Duke 09/24 11:02 AM >>> > > > > "K. Douglas Baldwin" wrote: > > > > > And it has an outboard in-out point - an > > > outboard FX loop point - which can be similarly assigned to any > > point in the > > > configuration. I could rant for multiple screens on it, but I > have > > a > > > deadline... > > > > I just got my GT-3 and even a short demo has really impressed me > for > > tone from a > > pedal. > > > > I am trying to put my Digitech Space Station into the effects loop > > but it is not > > happening. The manual does not have much on the effects loop so > > please clue me > > in to the secret! I get no signal out to the S.S.. Its like its > not > > engaged at > > all. > > > > tia, > > > > jd > > > > > > > > > > > Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster > > > dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 24 17:48:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24217; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:48:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:48:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Greyseason@aol.com Message-ID: <598d2566.251d452f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:20:47 EDT Subject: Re: Swans To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 27 Resent-Message-ID: <"Or1Xh1.0.9A4.Lj-wt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Michael Gira's new project, Angels Of Light, is also pretty sweet. Sam Paterson From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 24 17:59:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26568; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:59:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:59:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:36:56 -0700 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #375 Message-ID: <19990924.143658.-170429.0.caamends@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: richard j amend Resent-Message-ID: <"0CPpw2.0.eK5.gz-wt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com un-subscribe please take me off this list From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 24 18:22:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31863; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:22:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:22:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Greyseason@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:02:37 EDT Subject: Re: The Left Side of My Face Vs. The Right To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 27 Resent-Message-ID: <"zix9y3.0.Fl6.eK_wt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com dude, if you dig all that swans stuff, walk, don't run to your nearest local distritubor of such goods and purchase two more swans-related items: The Body Lovers and The Body Haters. INSANE! wonderful, music. you will love dem. Sam Paterson's good friend, Charlie Loudin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Sep 24 18:27:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00703; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:27:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:27:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jax1723@aol.com Message-ID: <1ad1c10b.251d505c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:08:28 EDT Subject: Re:swans To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"UBt5a2.0.Q57.9Q_wt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah... the SWANS where a great band. I haven't listened to them in years but I'm gonna go home and dig out some of their records and give'm a listen. Thanks for the reminder. -jack Jeff McLeod wrote: Hi, all... I just wanted to mention something great that I've just this month run across. For a long, long time I've been familiar with the band Swans. But's it's only been recently that I have picked up some of their recordings. I had to write to the list to let anyone who's interested in incredible, emotional, frightening music know about them. There's plenty of looping going on--even on the earliest recordings from the beginning of the 80s. I cannot stress to everyone how wonderful and amazing this music is. I would also recommend any of the recent work by Swans leader Michael Gira. Two great Swans-related recordings, just to give you a couple, are: Soundtracks For The Blind and Michael Gira's Drainland recording. Here's a link to the band's website, for anyone who might like to find out more about them: From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 25 01:05:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20377; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 01:05:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 01:05:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Mmonroedmm@aol.com Message-ID: <538ea427.251da869@aol.com> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 00:24:09 EDT Subject: Re: server troubles fixed To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"OGkoe3.0.uY2.Mw4xt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com So, we just added Michael Monroe to the list and there were no other names on it...we would like to be on it, but cannot handle the 80 emails a day from loopers (like do they ever play out???) I do 250 dates a year and say no to email...this is a ditto from an email I already sent, sorry, but I just got this one from you... Can I still be listed without getting all the email??? Michael Monroe From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 25 01:05:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20351; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 01:05:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 01:05:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Mmonroedmm@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 00:24:08 EDT Subject: Re: Remove To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"032Mi.0.CX2.tv4xt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com So sorry, but I didn't get email one day and there were 80 emails!!!!!!!!! Can't read don't have time, too busy playing...love the sight but everyone seems to be more online than inline with their tunes! (Love the web site and would love to continue listing...I don't have access to computer...except at .10 /min and even with flash session...Please remove asap!) Thanks so much, mm/dm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 25 02:03:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA31197; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 02:03:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 02:03:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37EC61FB.D52A2D57@erols.com> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 01:48:01 -0400 From: "J.G. Wong" Reply-To: adaaxs@erols.com Organization: Tokusatsu.com, Tokusatsu Access Archive X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:Boss ME-5& a little warning References: <199909242012.QAA32286@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"srGCC.0.ck6.X36xt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, I was sorting through some old gear , putting it aside for trade or sale and I ran across this old Boss ME 5 multieffect that I had been using with a synth that I loaned out, was I surprised. I am test flying a Zoom 2100 I was doing so Sound on sound programming, I pulled it out of the chain replaced it with the ME 5 with the Range at 500 and the feedback at 3 o'clock. What I got was very nice sound on sound effect. The output was superior to that I have been able to coax out of the 2100 and rivals my 1/2 track reel machines in some ways. This unit must be selling on the used market for a pittance. It is a deal if you can find one. This discovery made my day. Earlier on I had called Victor Litz Music about a Vintage Guitar Magazine special, a $99.00 Akai Headrush. When I called the salesman did not know about it (red flag) and I then overheard another salesman tell him, "we're out of stock and not carrying it it any more, but if you want one we can get you one for $199 or so and $12.00 shipping." Needless to say if I want to pay street price for an item I will call Eighth St. not Victor Litz (Who is Victor Litz ???) If you see the ad or their website, and you see a $99 Headrush or $50 Variwah or Intelliphase or a $75 Shredomatic, don't get excited it probably won't be there. It must be one of those entertaiment ads. Fiveman (G. Wong) GM 70, PCM F1, Telex TDE preamps, Rhodes 73Mk1, Thomas Organ wah, Akai D4 Reel to Reel, Telex 6120 cassette duplicator. All for sale or trade From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 25 10:11:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19248; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 10:11:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 10:11:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Mmonroedmm@aol.com Message-ID: <219850e.251e305c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 10:04:12 EDT Subject: Fwd: Remove To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_219850e.251e305c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"T72yz.0.0Q4.9QDxt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --part1_219850e.251e305c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did you get my message to remove...? --part1_219850e.251e305c_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg02.mx.aol.com (rly-yg02.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.2]) by air-yg05.mail.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 00:49:41 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by rly-yg02.mx.aol.com (v61.9) with ESMTP; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 00:49:33 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17177; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 00:49:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 00:49:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Mmonroedmm@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 00:24:08 EDT Subject: Re: Remove To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"032Mi.0.CX2.tv4xt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com So sorry, but I didn't get email one day and there were 80 emails!!!!!!!!! Can't read don't have time, too busy playing...love the sight but everyone seems to be more online than inline with their tunes! (Love the web site and would love to continue listing...I don't have access to computer...except at .10 /min and even with flash session...Please remove asap!) Thanks so much, mm/dm --part1_219850e.251e305c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 25 10:09:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19056; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 10:09:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 10:09:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990925135811.25647.rocketmail@web109.yahoomail.com> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 06:58:11 -0700 (PDT) From: dan sumner Subject: mastering software?????? To: a a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"EGnt02.0.O_3.OIDxt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Can someone please tell me where I can find some free or cheap mastering software availible for download? Thanx PERMADAN __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 25 12:46:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15456; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 12:46:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 12:46:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 13:37:29 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: EDP production Resent-Message-ID: <"oKIld.0.C53.LZFxt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Michael Tuminello said: >Do you work for Boomerang? I'd really rather have an EDP, but it's been >promised for many months now, and I'm giving up hope. > >I assume you like your boomerang, anyway. ... > >The thing is, I'd like to be able to store and trigger differnet loops, >which, from what I know of the Boomerang, is not possible. > >PS: It really amazes me that Oberheim can drag their collective tail to >the extent that some hundred or so prospective buyers ( at $600 each w/ >pedal for a total of $60,000 ) are going to have to go with their 2nd >choice when they already have the plans and means to manufacture the >device. Maybe that's small change, or maybe they should just pass the >right over to someone like Kim or Mattheus, who would probably be hapy for >the customers.... Thank you. We (Kim+Eric+me=Aurisis Research) basically DO have the rights and dont build the units ourselves because we have neither time nor money to do so and we licence Gibson because they DID start the production in another facility with Kims help, probably quicker than anyone of us could do it. And nobody would do that work for 100 buyers, there will be a lot more! Meanwhile I am working very hard on the next soft upgrade for the EDP. Matthias >>In a message dated 9/22/99 4:10:01 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, >>ylpunk@yahoo.com writes: >> >><< I'm going to be (finally) flush >> enough to buy a looper within the next month, and if there is no EDP to be >>seen >> on the horizon, I just may have to buy a Boomerang >> >> >>this seems to be a great idea........and by the time you save enough to buy >>the EDP it should be out and you will have had many, many hours of looping >>joy with the rang.........michael ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 25 15:22:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14076; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:22:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:22:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000301bf0789$92ff92c0$df6ec8d0@computer> From: "postaldave" To: "Loopers" Subject: YAMAHA SU10 DIGITAL PHRASE SAMPLER Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:10:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"8nVCg2.0.-x2.ewHxt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com YAMAHA SU10 DIGITAL PHRASE SAMPLER , is this a good sampler, anyone have one?????? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 25 17:16:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03511; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 17:16:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 17:16:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909252017.UAA04431@m2.worldnet.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 22:19:16 +0200 Subject: new looper web site From: "Lionel Hubert" To: Looper delight Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7R-op3.0.006.ItIxt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com HI ! I'm "the K" , newer in the list, i invite you to take alook at my home page, there is some loops and sounds (original) to download. But for the loop community, lisen to the "only Guitar : spool serie" It's .mp3, and it's guitar loops treated and edited in protools. This is the adress : http://www.ifrance .com/kalikay please send me feedback and tell me what are you thinking about my work. Thanks and excuse my bad english THE K From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 25 19:59:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02606; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 19:59:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 19:59:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990925234127.95826.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.152.169.80] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EDP production....."All in good time my pretties" Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 16:41:27 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"7c_TT.0.af7.JtLxt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Matthias, thanks for your hard work on a very difficult but rewarding venture. Wish the guys had a little more patience but then again I have my EDP. Can I listen to some of your work over the internet or do you have C.D.s...??? I got the last (1st) Looper's Delight C.D. thinking it would be beyond my capabilities but to my surprise what I am doing is just as loopy and textured or more than the C.D.. Gave me some ideas though. Take your time and make the next EDP even better,I'm sure it will be! Best to You, Papa Dave >From: Matthias Grob >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: EDP production >Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 13:37:29 -0300 > >Michael Tuminello said: > >Do you work for Boomerang? I'd really rather have an EDP, but it's been > >promised for many months now, and I'm giving up hope. > > > >I assume you like your boomerang, anyway. ... > > > >The thing is, I'd like to be able to store and trigger differnet loops, > >which, from what I know of the Boomerang, is not possible. > > > >PS: It really amazes me that Oberheim can drag their collective tail to > >the extent that some hundred or so prospective buyers ( at $600 each w/ > >pedal for a total of $60,000 ) are going to have to go with their 2nd > >choice when they already have the plans and means to manufacture the > >device. Maybe that's small change, or maybe they should just pass the > >right over to someone like Kim or Mattheus, who would probably be hapy >for > >the customers.... > >Thank you. We (Kim+Eric+me=Aurisis Research) basically DO have the rights >and dont build the units ourselves because we have neither time nor money >to do so and we licence Gibson because they DID start the production in >another facility with Kims help, probably quicker than anyone of us could >do it. And nobody would do that work for 100 buyers, there will be a lot >more! > >Meanwhile I am working very hard on the next soft upgrade for the EDP. > >Matthias > > > >>In a message dated 9/22/99 4:10:01 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, > >>ylpunk@yahoo.com writes: > >> > >><< I'm going to be (finally) flush > >> enough to buy a looper within the next month, and if there is no EDP to >be > >>seen > >> on the horizon, I just may have to buy a Boomerang >> > >> > >>this seems to be a great idea........and by the time you save enough to >buy > >>the EDP it should be out and you will have had many, many hours of >looping > >>joy with the rang.........michael > > > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 25 22:14:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29594; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 22:14:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 22:14:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: wb5150@earthlink.net Message-ID: <37ED7CD4.7C58@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 21:54:28 -0400 Reply-To: wb5150@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NSCP (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: speedmatters Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WdUUf1.0.PJ6.rrNxt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Exactly how critical a factor is speed regarding SIMM memory? I'm gearing up to max out my EDP, and am having a difficult time finding the suggested 120ns+ SIMM. 60ns isn't a problem, I believe they grow on trees. Would there be a significant difference using the 4mb 60ns in place of the 120ns? If so, any suggestions as to where I can order 120's? Thanks. Z. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Sep 25 23:49:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16770; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 23:49:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 23:49:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37ED7CD4.7C58@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 20:33:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: speedmatters Resent-Message-ID: <"7Cyvk.0.KH3.IGPxt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 6:54 PM -0700 9/25/99, wb5150@earthlink.net wrote: >Exactly how critical a factor is speed regarding SIMM memory? I'm >gearing up to max out my EDP, and am having a difficult time finding the >suggested 120ns+ SIMM. 60ns isn't a problem, I believe they grow on >trees. Would there be a significant difference using the 4mb 60ns in >place of the 120ns? If so, any suggestions as to where I can order >120's? Thanks. >Z. the requirement is that the simms be *faster* than 120ns, not slower. 60ns simms are faster, therefore they are fine. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 27 18:58:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05556; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 18:58:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 18:58:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: AAarons107@aol.com Message-ID: <35ccfdb6.252138a4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:16:20 EDT Subject: jamman To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 Resent-Message-ID: <"CIqFM2.0.pX3.Ixzxt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Recently purchased a used Jamman that reads out the number 18. on the LED when powered up. I assume this is an earlier software version. What's up with getting an upgrade? I understand the original designer makes them but I've been unable to reach him by e-mail. Any suggestions or info? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Sep 27 21:48:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12671; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:48:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:48:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <4d6ac674.252166bc@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 20:33:00 EDT Subject: Re: jamman To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"_Vi1U3.0.6z6.pp0yt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com jamman has been out of production for a while now. have you tried talking to lexicon? they might be able to help. good luck. i have a jamman with the 32 second chips in it and i love it. =-) PJ From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Sep 28 03:46:34 1999 Received: from mail-gw5.pacbell.net (mail-gw5.pacbell.net [206.13.28.23]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA23763 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 03:46:34 -0400 Received: from [63.192.37.242] (adsl-63-192-37-242.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.37.242]) by mail-gw5.pacbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04984 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 00:46:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 00:46:33 -0700 To: Recipient List Suppressed:; From: "Lionel Hubert" (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Tr : new looper web site Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id DAA23763 ---------- DeÝ: "Lionel Hubert" ¿ : Looper delight ObjetÝ: new looper web site DateÝ: Sam 25 sep 1999 22:19 HI ! I'm "the K" , newer in the list, i invite you to take alook at my home page, there is some loops and sounds (original) to download. But for the loop community, lisen to the "only Guitar : spool serie" It's .mp3, and it's guitar loops treated and edited in protools. This is the adress : http://www.ifrance.com/kalikay please send me feedback and tell me what are you thinking about my work. Thanks and excuse my bad english THE K From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Sep 28 03:47:50 1999 Received: from mail-gw5.pacbell.net (mail-gw5.pacbell.net [206.13.28.23]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA23844 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 03:47:50 -0400 Received: from [63.192.37.242] (adsl-63-192-37-242.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.37.242]) by mail-gw5.pacbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05222 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 00:47:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 00:47:49 -0700 To: Recipient List Suppressed:; From: Jeff Duke (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Re: Boss GT-3 Processor (now effects loop?) Thanksfor the replys, I have sent the GT-3 back as much as I loved the sounds and tone of the thing. Musicions Friend has a 45 day return and has a very good staff. I am getting the GT-5 instead, more mony but it has the movable effects loop and tap tempo delay. The GT-3 didn't have tap tempo delay, it has a dual delay that you can tap in the right side for rythmic effects. At least this was my impression, I didn't get to use it very long. Those analog synth sounds will be missed though if they are not on the GT-5. Thanks again for the responses, Peace, Jeff The Universe is full of magical things, patiently waiting for our wits to grow sharper. - Eden Philpotts Jeff Duke wrote: > It looks like I found it. However its only available as a "type" of > distortion so if I wanted to put my Rat and the Space Station in the loop > > then I could assign the effects loop to that patch but I can't use the > effects loop and another distortion effect at the same time. I'll have to > > think of something else.... > > jeff > > sorry for the double posts to you Miko, I keep hitting the wrong button > ...... > > Mike Biffle wrote: > > > Wow Jeff... maybe it's in the Master button section... or worse, they > > eliminated it. From what I've read and what K. Doug Baldwin has said > > though it sounds like it shoud be in there somewhere. Keep looking. > > BTW: I have a GT-5 so I'm not the best guy to give you the detailed > > i/o on the GT-3. Anyone else? > > > > >>> Jeff Duke 09/24 11:35 AM >>> > > Hi Miko, thanks but where is the loop button? I can't find it at all > > or > > any reference to it in the manual. > > > > jeff > > > > Mike Biffle wrote: > > > > > Hi Jeff... > > > > > > The loop is indeed probably disengaged... You need to push on the > > > loop button twice to engage it, or push once then scroll to on/off > > and > > > turn in on in the patch. You can also assign the loop on/off status > > to > > > the control switch or expression pedal so you have control over > > > whether it's in the chain or not. There are also parameters which > > > control the level of the loop so scroll over and check them out. > > > You'll determing which settings work best with your Space Station. > > If > > > you turn the loop on, remember to store it so that it will be on > > when > > > you return to that patch. > > > > > > Miko Biffle "Running scared > > from > > > all the usual distractions..." > > > mbiffle@svg.com > > > > > > >>> Jeff Duke 09/24 11:02 AM >>> > > > > > > "K. Douglas Baldwin" wrote: > > > > > > > And it has an outboard in-out point - an > > > > outboard FX loop point - which can be similarly assigned to any > > > point in the > > > > configuration. I could rant for multiple screens on it, but I > > have > > > a > > > > deadline... > > > > > > I just got my GT-3 and even a short demo has really impressed me > > for > > > tone from a > > > pedal. > > > > > > I am trying to put my Digitech Space Station into the effects loop > > > but it is not > > > happening. The manual does not have much on the effects loop so > > > please clue me > > > in to the secret! I get no signal out to the S.S.. Its like its > > not > > > engaged at > > > all. > > > > > > tia, > > > > > > jd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster > > > > dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------- jeff duke The Universe is full of magical things, patiently waiting for our wits to grow sharper. - Eden Philpotts http://members.xoom.com/echo17/tbl.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------- From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Sep 28 03:48:50 1999 Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (mail-gw3.pacbell.net [206.13.28.55]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA24463 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 03:48:50 -0400 Received: from [63.192.37.242] (adsl-63-192-37-242.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.37.242]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA16888 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 00:48:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 00:48:49 -0700 To: Recipient List Suppressed:; From: David Myers (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Re: mastering software?????? If you're on Mac, try Soundmaker. I got mine for about $30, though I don't know if it's still that cheap. Go to: http://www.harmony-central.com/Software/Mac/soundmaker-103.html >Can someone please tell me where I can find some free >or cheap mastering software availible for download? >Thanx >PERMADAN >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Sep 28 03:49:31 1999 Received: from mail-gw5.pacbell.net (mail-gw5.pacbell.net [206.13.28.23]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA24512 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 03:49:31 -0400 Received: from [63.192.37.242] (adsl-63-192-37-242.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.37.242]) by mail-gw5.pacbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05528 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 00:49:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 00:49:30 -0700 To: Recipient List Suppressed:; From: "Michael S. Yoder" (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Morley Analog Delay Hey loopy loopers! Has anyone ever tried the Morley Emerald Analog Delay unit that's on sale for $59 in the Musicians Friend catalog? I know it's not a looping device, but gosh, there are so darned many knowledgeable people on this list about all sorts of products, I felt this is a good place to ask. Before ordering one, I wanted to make sure it's o.k. as far as analog delay units go (for "warming up" guitar, electric piano, etc.). My ancient Boss analog delay is just a little too noisey and muddy for recording soft passages. Thanks. Michael. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dr. Michael S. Yoder Assistant Professor of Geography, Coordinator of Urban Studies Texas A&M International University 5201 University Blvd. Laredo, TX 78041 Tel. (956) 326-2634; FAX (956) 326-2464 Internet:myoder@tamiu.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-== From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Sep 28 03:50:18 1999 Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (mail-gw.pacbell.net [206.13.28.25]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA24541 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 03:50:18 -0400 Received: from [63.192.37.242] (adsl-63-192-37-242.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.37.242]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06206 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 00:50:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 00:50:18 -0700 To: Recipient List Suppressed:; From: "Stephen Goodman" (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Spam-o-Rama? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BF080F.CAC06000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I hope it's not necessary to unsubscribe just to get rid of the = electronica spam we've all been getting this week. Kim, if you've any = tips how to take ourselves off the rogue mailing list that's attached = itself to LD, please inform. It's getting a bit much! Stephen Goodman * It's the free Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html * (Hear the NEW "Star Spangled Banner" here!) ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BF080F.CAC06000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I hope = it's not=20 necessary to unsubscribe just to get rid of the electronica spam we've = all been=20 getting this week. Kim, if you've any tips how to take ourselves = off the=20 rogue mailing list that's attached itself to LD, please inform. = It's=20 getting a bit much! Stephen=20 Goodman * It's the free Loop Of The=20 Week! EarthLight Productions * 20 href=3D"http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html">http://www.earthlight.net= /Studios.html * (Hear=20 the NEW "Star Spangled Banner" here!) ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BF080F.CAC06000-- From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Sep 28 03:51:07 1999 Received: from mta4.snfc21.pbi.net (mta4.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.142]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA24595 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 03:51:07 -0400 Received: from [63.192.37.242] by mta4.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.05.24.18.28.p7) with ESMTP id <0FIR006YAF4T1S@mta4.snfc21.pbi.net> for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 00:50:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 00:51:05 -0700 From: Jeff Duke (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Whale Looping X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just trying out my Sharp md-ms702mk minidisk recorder. I just took lines out of my Mackie into the Sharp 702. Its very easy and IMO sounds very good. I didn't even run noise reduction on it. I put up Real Audio of a little jam if anyone would care to listen. It cracked me up so I thought ya'll might get a kick out of it. Just click below. http://members.xoom.com/echo17/sun.html Hope your having a great weekend, jeff From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Sep 28 03:54:08 1999 Received: from mail-gw5.pacbell.net (mail-gw5.pacbell.net [206.13.28.23]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA25317 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 03:54:08 -0400 Received: from [63.192.37.242] (adsl-63-192-37-242.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.37.242]) by mail-gw5.pacbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06348 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 00:53:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 00:54:07 -0700 To: Recipient List Suppressed:; From: Dael Franke (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Re: Ram my Spam Oh, ick. Spamming on Loopers'Delight? I haven't seen any. I wonder if my server protects me somehow. Spamming is one instance where I would approve of the use of virus programs. Of course, if any of you Loopers reading this are able to hack that well, I am certainly NOT suggesting that you should virus any spammers back to the stone age. But if it happened and I heard about it, I would have a good laugh.;-) On a loopish topic, there is a wonderful annual experimental music festival at the Chapel of the Chimes in Oakland, California. This last year, one of the performers had hung contact mics in a fountain, and was assigning each mic a different sampled sound. She had several banks of sounds prepared and was having fun switching between them. Can anyone tell me what box she may have been using? There were at least six mics running into the box and each mic had a different sound assigned. Send me a recipe. On second thought, send me a vegetarian recipe. Dael Tree Franke ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Sep 28 03:55:11 1999 Received: from mail-gw6.pacbell.net (mail-gw6.pacbell.net [206.13.28.41]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA25413 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 03:55:11 -0400 Received: from [63.192.37.242] (adsl-63-192-37-242.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.37.242]) by mail-gw6.pacbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA03523 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 00:54:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 00:55:10 -0700 To: Recipient List Suppressed:; From: "Jenni Leeds" (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Vortex Pedal Query... This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF0876.3EF267A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It seems that the archive is not working or that I'm doing something = wrong; all of my searches are coming up empty with subjects as basic as = "vortex" or "echoplex". What gives?=20 Anyway, I know we've touched on this before but since I can't seem = to work a simple archive please forgive... What are the best expression/volume pedals for the Lexicon Vortex? I'd = really like a wah-wah/volume/expression pedal if possible. Is the Zoom EP01 a good choice? (I have an opportunity to get one rather = cheap.)=20 I particularly remember a post by one D. Stagner, in which he = inquired about the "full sweep" of morphing capability and which pedal = best performs this? I would prefer such a thing too.=20 Tambient anechoic chamber orchestratos flourescent torrential latent = atmosheric choir rain omni-portal sphere of broken glass swirl Lada, Jamie at JenniL@bellsouth.net ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF0876.3EF267A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It seems that the archive is not = working or=20 that I'm doing something wrong; all of my searches are coming up empty = with=20 subjects as basic as "vortex" or "echoplex". What gives? Anyway, I know we've touched on = this before=20 but since I can't seem to work a simple archive please = forgive... What are the best expression/volume pedals for the = Lexicon=20 Vortex? I'd really like a wah-wah/volume/expression pedal if=20 possible. Is the Zoom EP01 a good choice? (I have an = opportunity to get=20 one rather cheap.) I particularly remember a post by = one D.=20 Stagner, in which he inquired about the "full sweep" of morphing = capability and=20 which pedal best performs this? I would prefer such a thing too. = Tambient anechoic chamber orchestratos flourescent = torrential=20 latent atmosheric choir rain omni-portal sphere of broken glass=20 swirl Lada, Jamie at = 20 href=3D"mailto:JenniL@bellsouth.net">JenniL@bellsouth.net ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF0876.3EF267A0-- From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Sep 28 03:57:03 1999 Received: from mta1.snfc21.pbi.net (mta1.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.122]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA25589 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 03:57:03 -0400 Received: from [63.192.37.242] by mta1.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.05.24.18.28.p7) with ESMTP id <0FIR00A3CFENE1@mta1.snfc21.pbi.net> for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 00:56:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 00:56:55 -0700 From: Jeff Duke (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Re: Vortex Pedal Query... X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable --------------88F6A908D9FE902A171823A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi Jamie, I don't think you can use a wah-vol pedal or any powered pedal. I made an expression pedal from a passive volume pedal and a few parts from Radio Shack. The schematic from the manual can be found here. http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/vortex/vortex.html for the Vortex and http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/vortex/vortex04.GIF for the page that I found it on. It works great w/full morphing! Hope this helps, jeff Jenni Leeds wrote: > It seems that the archive is not working or that I'm doing > something wrong; all of my searches are coming up empty with subjects > as basic as "vortex" or "echoplex". What gives? Anyway, I know > we've touched on this before but since I can't seem to work a simple > archive please forgive...What are the best expression/volume pedals > for the Lexicon Vortex? I'd really like a wah-wah/volume/expression > pedal if possible.Is the Zoom EP01 a good choice? (I have an > opportunity to get one rather cheap.) I particularly remember a > post by one D. Stagner, in which he inquired about the "full sweep" of > morphing capability and which pedal best performs this? I would prefer > such a thing too. Tambient anechoic chamber orchestratos flourescent > torrential latent atmosheric choir rain omni-portal sphere of broken > glass swirl Lada, Jamie at JenniL@bellsouth.net --------------88F6A908D9FE902A171823A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit < hi Jamie,=20 I don't think you can use a wah-vol pedal or any powered pedal. I made an expression pedal from a passive volume pedal and a few parts from Radio Shack. The schematic from the manual can be found here.=20 <http://www.annihil= ist.com/loop/tools/vortex/vortex.html for the Vortex and=20 <http://www.annihi= list.com/loop/tools/vortex/vortex04.GIF for the page that I found it on. It works great w/full morphing! Hope this helps,=20 =20 jeff=20 Jenni Leeds wrote:=20 left It seems that the archive is not working or that I'm doing something wrong; all of my searches are coming up empty with subjects as basic as "vortex" or "echoplex". What gives? Anyway, I know we've touched on this before but since I can't seem to work a simple archive please forgive...What are the best expression/volume pedals for the Lexicon Vortex? I'd really like a wah-wah/volume/expression pedal if possible.Is the Zoom EP01 a good choice? (I have an opportunity to get one rather cheap.) I particularly remember a post by one D. Stagner, in which he inquired about the "full sweep" of morphing capability and which pedal best performs this? I would prefer such a thing too. Tambient anechoic chamber orchestratos flourescent torrential latent atmosheric choir rain omni-portal sphere of broken glass swirl Lada, Jamie at <JenniL@bellsouth.net =20 --------------88F6A908D9FE902A171823A0-- From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Sep 28 03:59:14 1999 Received: from mail-gw6.pacbell.net (mail-gw6.pacbell.net [206.13.28.41]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA26267 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 03:59:14 -0400 Received: from [63.192.37.242] (adsl-63-192-37-242.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.37.242]) by mail-gw6.pacbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05573 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 00:59:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 00:59:13 -0700 To: Recipient List Suppressed:; From: "b.knox" (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Re: Vortex Pedal Query... hi jenni, i've found that the very cheap expression pedal by some company called "proel" works a treat for the vortex... its plastic but has survived, er ... me stomping on it for a while.. max toe down reaches 64 on the nose... toe up--01 ditto Proel seem to make two versions of the same looking pedal... one is a volume pedal with input/ouput sockets (probably no good) the other is the one i'm using---just a single stereo lead coming out of the thing.. brad <---- been having much fun using the proel to drive molto bizzaro pedal driven effectoids... > Jenni Leeds wrote: > > It seems that the archive is not working or that I'm doing > something wrong; all of my searches are coming up empty with subjects > as basic as "vortex" or "echoplex". What gives? > Anyway, I know we've touched on this before but since I can't seem > to work a simple archive please forgive... > What are the best expression/volume pedals for the Lexicon Vortex? I'd > really like a wah-wah/volume/expression pedal if possible. > Is the Zoom EP01 a good choice? (I have an opportunity to get one > rather cheap.) > I particularly remember a post by one D. Stagner, in which he > inquired about the "full sweep" of morphing capability and which pedal > best performs this? I would prefer such a thing too. > > Tambient anechoic chamber orchestratos flourescent torrential latent > atmosheric choir rain omni-portal sphere of broken glass swirl > > Lada, > Jamie at JenniL@bellsouth.net From kflint@annihilist.com Tue Sep 28 03:59:55 1999 Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (mail-gw.pacbell.net [206.13.28.25]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA26354 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 03:59:55 -0400 Received: from [63.192.37.242] (adsl-63-192-37-242.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.37.242]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA08096 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 00:59:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 00:59:54 -0700 To: Recipient List Suppressed:; From: "Mike Biffle" (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Re: Vortex Pedal Query... The Boss EV-5 also works great but is quite a bit more expensive than the Proel... I've got 3 EV-5's and am going to switch to Proel for my next two... Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." mbiffle@svg.com >>> "Jenni Leeds" 09/26 9:20 PM >>> It seems that the archive is not working or that I'm doing something wrong; all of my searches are coming up empty with subjects as basic as "vortex" or "echoplex". What gives? Anyway, I know we've touched on this before but since I can't seem to work a simple archive please forgive... What are the best expression/volume pedals for the Lexicon Vortex? I'd really like a wah-wah/volume/expression pedal if possible. Is the Zoom EP01 a good choice? (I have an opportunity to get one rather cheap.) I particularly remember a post by one D. Stagner, in which he inquired about the "full sweep" of morphing capability and which pedal best performs this? I would prefer such a thing too. Tambient anechoic chamber orchestratos flourescent torrential latent atmosheric choir rain omni-portal sphere of broken glass swirl Lada, Jamie at JenniL@bellsouth.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 28 09:14:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA19627; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:14:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:14:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <073C734BD702D311A0E90001FA7E0947FCBED7@letterbox.kscl.com> From: Anthony Mullen To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com, "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:46:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"ri8Xm.0.mg3.IdByt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Guys, Looking for advice on hosting downloads and managing sales of the independant label I'm in. The script is : - we are a label comprising of three artists - we don't want our own website clogged up with a sales pitch, money transaction, download hassle - we would like to sell physical CDs AND we would also like to make charged song downloads available - we don't want to pay for the hosting service (other than a %age of the music cost) MP3.com seems to offer this - are there any hidden catches with us being a label? Also - who else hosts music for free (or a moderate cost if need be) ? Hope you can help Anthony From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 28 10:15:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01368; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:15:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:15:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008801bf09b8$fd768a60$37cf08cf@donaldpancoe> From: "Don \"Mango\" Pancoe" To: References: <073C734BD702D311A0E90001FA7E0947FCBED7@letterbox.kscl.com> Subject: Roland PK-5 Comments? Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:54:29 -0400 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"AeaT51.0.UI7.gbCyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Interested in comments from anyone who has or has considered using the Roland PK-5 in a MIDI effect and/or looping rig. http://www.rolandus.com/PRODUCTS/MI/MI_KEY.HTM#PK-5 Also, does anyone know of a MIDI CC pedal that has a MIDI out right on the pedal (i.e., not a volume or CV into a conversion box)? The folks on alt.guitar.effects have so far come up with Digitech and Morley as possible sources. Since the PK-5 doesn't support expression pedals as far as I can tell (although, you'd think one would be useful,) I thought I could put a MIDI expression pedal in front of it, and allow it to merge the MIDI messages. So what do you think? Does this sound like a good floor control rig? Or should I go with the Roland FC-200, or even hold out for the elusive PMC-10? Of course, it would look damn cool if I used BOTH the PK-5 and my ART X-15 at the same time! There would be no room left for me! -- Mango -- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 28 11:58:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25655; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 11:58:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 11:58:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909281514.IAA25594@scv1.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:14:33 -0500 Subject: FS: tc 2290 $1150 (Harmony Central) From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"q3th43.0.lt3.pjDyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com **** T.C. ELECTRONICS 2290 DELAY **** Asking Price: US$1150 Condition: Mint Age: 4 years Description: mint condition 2290 delay unit. stock 1023 milsec. of delay. it you want the best digital delay for guitar or other application, this is it. let me know if you have any more questions. Seller: charlie hitchcock, 805-564-8902 E-mail: charliehitchcock@hotmail.com (Profile) Location: SANTA BARBARA, CA Post Date: 9/27/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 28 11:59:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25763; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 11:59:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 11:59:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990928104058.0088a390@tamiu.edu> X-Sender: myoder@tamiu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:40:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael S. Yoder" Subject: OFF-TOPIC: Analog Delays Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"zGCsY.0.wX5.dAEyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Can anyone tell me if the Morley Emerald Echo analog delay unit is good? Musicians Friend has them on sale for $59 (list $199). As far as analog delays go, is this a quiet unit, or is it noisey? Reply personally if you wish. Thanks. Best, Michael. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dr. Michael S. Yoder Assistant Professor of Geography, Coordinator of Urban Studies Texas A&M International University 5201 University Blvd. Laredo, TX 78041 Tel. (956) 326-2634; FAX (956) 326-2464 Internet:myoder@tamiu.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 28 13:36:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17641; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:36:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:36:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37F0F5B9.64C149D8@minds-eye.org> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:07:05 -0400 From: Kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Korg DL8000 References: <073C734BD702D311A0E90001FA7E0947FCBED7@letterbox.kscl.com> <008801bf09b8$fd768a60$37cf08cf@donaldpancoe> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IMtz12.0.kR2.IOFyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anyone ever tried this device out or used it for looping? 10 seconds of mono delay and some other interesting features make it look tempting. It looks like it may have been discontinued (I may be wrong but its not supported on Korg's site anymore and its $339 at ZZounds (list $600)). Tapping the knowledgeable depths of LD once again Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 28 13:35:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17473; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:35:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:35:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37F12022.D7AE5F9@gte.net> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:08:02 -0700 From: nitesh patel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: mastering software?????? References: <19990925135811.25647.rocketmail@web109.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XjF1j3.0.uS2.dOFyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i'll sell you soundforge 4.5 sound forge acid recycle rebirth cubase vst all for 250.00 or 99.00 each tesh@aol.com dan sumner wrote: > Can someone please tell me where I can find some free > or cheap mastering software availible for download? > Thanx > PERMADAN > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 28 14:15:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28247; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:15:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:15:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990928175845.006ea7b4@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:58:45 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: leocavallo Subject: Re: mastering software?????? Resent-Message-ID: <"dJrL8.0.an5.g7Gyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com are you a dealer? just curious... ciao leo At 13.08 28/09/99 -0700, you wrote: >i'll sell you soundforge 4.5 sound forge acid recycle rebirth cubase >vst all for 250.00 or 99.00 each tesh@aol.com > >dan sumner wrote: > >> Can someone please tell me where I can find some free >> or cheap mastering software availible for download? >> Thanx >> PERMADAN >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 28 14:17:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28435; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:17:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:17:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37F10B37.B6AC3A04@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:38:47 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: fr,en-US,fr-BE,en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: mastering software?????? References: <19990925135811.25647.rocketmail@web109.yahoomail.com> <37F12022.D7AE5F9@gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"buKvE1.0.k45.GzFyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com nitesh patel wrote: > > i'll sell you soundforge 4.5 sound forge acid recycle rebirth cubase > vst all for 250.00 or 99.00 each > With the licences, dongle, manuals etc... come on you're sooo generous to sell what you don't own I'll take it if you throw your computer in for 99.00 Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 28 14:50:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04209; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:50:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:50:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000801bf08a0$28d4fda0$b375d6d1@micronjenni> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 11:45:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: archive search busted Resent-Message-ID: <"AvJQl3.0.dh.xoGyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > It seems that the archive is not working or that I'm doing something = >wrong; all of my searches are coming up empty with subjects as basic as = >"vortex" or "echoplex". What gives?=20 The list archive is fine, but the search engine part is completely screwed up. My ISP keeps coming up with new and creative ways to screw up my account lately, this time destroying the search index file that the search engine uses to find things in the archive. I have to rebuild the index to get it to search the whole archive properly again. That might be a little while cause it takes a long time to run (the archive is huge), so I have to make special arrangements with the sysadmins so that the indexer can run unfetterred without being killed off by my arch nemesis, the evil Process Monitor. A big pain in the ass is what this past week of ISP hell has amounted to..... the list archive is also indexed by all the major search engine sites, so you can probably search stuff in it using altavista or whatever, if you come up with some key word to always hit the list archive. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 28 15:21:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12214; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:21:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:21:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002501bf09e4$e49c3860$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: References: <073C734BD702D311A0E90001FA7E0947FCBED7@letterbox.kscl.com> Subject: Re: Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:08:41 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"pXfNz2.0.P02.Z6Hyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If I were you I'd stick with free song downloads and selling the physical CDs. Why would I want to pay money to download an audio file from your site when I can get ten gazillion of them for free from MP3.com? "Because our songs are better" isn't enough incentive for me. Bonus GIF downloads of psychedelic mushroom hunting maps in central texas? Maybe. Most of the band sites I come across give free one-minute-or-so samples of most of their songs, and maybe one or two full-length songs as freebies. What's wrong with that? ----- Original Message ----- From: Anthony Mullen To: ; Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 7:46 AM Subject: > Guys, > > Looking for advice on hosting downloads and managing sales of the > independant label I'm in. > > The script is : > - we are a label comprising of three artists > - we don't want our own website clogged up with a sales pitch, money > transaction, download hassle > - we would like to sell physical CDs AND we would also like to make charged > song downloads available > - we don't want to pay for the hosting service (other than a %age of the > music cost) > > MP3.com seems to offer this - are there any hidden catches with us being a > label? > > Also - who else hosts music for free (or a moderate cost if need be) ? > > Hope you can help > Anthony From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 28 16:18:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27135; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:18:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:18:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002a01bf09ed$33a1bcc0$4816a5ce@stepheng> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <073C734BD702D311A0E90001FA7E0947FCBED7@letterbox.kscl.com> <002501bf09e4$e49c3860$02585858@timspc> Subject: Re: Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:08:14 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"w-oXb.0.P76.O1Iyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I dunno if ascerbism is a proper response to this... The MP3 market is in its infancy at this time, and anyone who works with or for a music company will tell you that They're scared to death of their own limited idea of what MP3 "is". Eventually they'll wake up though, and we'll all discover at some point that "free" will eventually mean "promotional", with the intention of being able to lure listeners into being purchasers. I don't think ANY artist/musician would be in love with the idea of never getting paid for the work they do, much less the art they produce. And I believe that the idea of all this being Free Forever is so Beyond Realistic (and I don't mean Radio Shack) that some folks are going to wake up more abruptly than others. However! MP3 as a format is a bit of a "future format", in that everyone (that is, people outside the music industry and T1/T3 lines) doesn't yet have the kind of high-speed access to make such downloads a constant habit. In the future no doubt this will change. But for now, I consider it a viable way of shaking up the Status Quo, in a positive way. Most methods to shake things up in the past have only offered the "shake", but not something to potentially replace music publishing/handling as we know it. MP3 might then be seen as the tip of a peninsula, whose breadth and width are ultimately unknown, especially since much of the established music industry has been looking at it from afar, as an adversary, instead of a viable medium for distribution. It's only recently that the "listeners-to-purchasers" stream has become other than an amateur path as far as they're concerned, but there's still no real commitment on their part - so there's still room for folks like us to push boundaries, and otherwise create and distribute our own art, agents, managers, and other aging cigar-chompers notwithstanding. I've posted two MP3's myself on the UBL system http://www.ubl.com - and have gotten a good deal of feedback, mostly on the level of "where's the CD?" - to the extent that, by the end of this year, I intend to release a CD finally. I recall comments by Francis Ford Coppola on this level, regarding video (which I'm also working on for web release!); and I still feel a bit warm inside when I think of him saying "...and one of these days, sometime soon, some little girl will pick up her father's camcorder... and blow this whole idea of 'professionalism' away once and for all..." While it might not exactly happen this way, most established folks in the music and film industry (that is those who've been there for longer than a few years, the ones in power per se) are beginning to think of it this way, which only fuels the fire in this regard. And that, too, is good for us, fellow loopers. Out of Chaos heroes are often seen from unexpected venues - but this makes them heroes/heroines no less. Subvert the Dominant Paradigm, YES. But be prepared to have something great to fill the void once you've done it. Stephen Goodman * It's the free Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html * (Hear the NEW "Star Spangled Banner" here!) ----- Original Message ----- From: american qabalah To: Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 12:08 Subject: Re: > If I were you I'd stick with free song downloads and selling the physical CDs. > Why would I want to pay money to download an audio file from your site when I > can get ten gazillion of them for free from MP3.com? "Because our songs are > better" isn't enough incentive for me. Bonus GIF downloads of psychedelic > mushroom hunting maps in central texas? Maybe. > > Most of the band sites I come across give free one-minute-or-so samples of > most of their songs, and maybe one or two full-length songs as freebies. > What's wrong with that? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anthony Mullen > To: ; > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 7:46 AM > Subject: > > > > Guys, > > > > Looking for advice on hosting downloads and managing sales of the > > independant label I'm in. > > > > The script is : > > - we are a label comprising of three artists > > - we don't want our own website clogged up with a sales pitch, money > > transaction, download hassle > > - we would like to sell physical CDs AND we would also like to make charged > > song downloads available > > - we don't want to pay for the hosting service (other than a %age of the > > music cost) > > > > MP3.com seems to offer this - are there any hidden catches with us being a > > label? > > > > Also - who else hosts music for free (or a moderate cost if need be) ? > > > > Hope you can help > > Anthony > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 28 16:49:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01885; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:49:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:49:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37F12E69.2631@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:08:57 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Paying for downloads (was:Re: ) References: <073C734BD702D311A0E90001FA7E0947FCBED7@letterbox.kscl.com> <002501bf09e4$e49c3860$02585858@timspc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5w9wA2.0.0B.eYIyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com american qabalah wrote: > > If I were you I'd stick with free song downloads and selling the physical CDs. > Why would I want to pay money to download an audio file from your site when I > can get ten gazillion of them for free from MP3.com? You could extend the reasoning here to say, "Why would I want to pay money to go see [one of your favorite professional established artist playing in a concert venue] when I can go to any number of clubs, coffehouses and bars to see [unestablished/non-professional/highly philanthropic artists] performing for no entry fee or cover charge? Well, in both cases the answer depends on who exactly is charging a price for their music. If there's somebody you want to see in concert, and they're charging a fee for entry, and you want to see them enough, you'll pay the fee. That's how things like tours, concerts, recordings, rehearsals, gas, food, clothing, and shelter get paid for by professional musicians. > "Because our songs are > better" isn't enough incentive for me. It may not be a question of automatically assuming that anything being bought or sold is more worthwhile than anything being given away. It might be more of a case of someone trying to exercise their right to profit from their work. That's a right that many artists are happy to forfeit simply for the sake of getting their music heard, and if they're happy with that, then that's fine. If someone ISN'T happy with the idea of giving away their music, then that's ALSO fine. Also keep in mind that the mechanics of setting up payment for downloads is more involved than simply giving them away. Yeah, everybody on mp3.com is giving away their music, but mp3.com doesn't offer any means by which they can sell downloads. If they *did*, there would definitely be people using the system. Even if they charged some sort of fee to the artist in order to finance the undertaking, people would still use it. > Most of the band sites I come across give free one-minute-or-so samples of > most of their songs, and maybe one or two full-length songs as freebies. > What's wrong with that? Nothing's wrong with that. But as direct downloading becomes a more and more commonplace means of distribution (and believe me, it definitely will), you're going to see people trying to launch careers (not just hobbies) largely through online means. As copy protection and sound quality improve, and as bandwidth and download time increases, you'll see more and more established artists charging some sort of fee for their work. Either that, or else you'll see more and more sponsorship of "free" downloads or real-time streaming audio by various companies. You think paying one or two bucks to download a song is a drag? Try streaming the "free" new single by a big-time artist that's bookended by fifteen-second ads for Pepsi, Levis, McDonald's, or some other sponsor of choice. This isn't just a far-flung possibility -- this is the actual scenario that was presented to me by a major label A&R representative who I spoke to about the subject of online distribution a few months ago. Why should a label worry about encrypting or protecting a download when they can set up a streaming-only link that anyone with a palm pilot or laptop can access 24 hours a day? People will enjoy the freedom of being able to hear any song they want any time they want for gree, and will get used to ads at the beginning and end of streaming songs the same way they've gotten used to commercial breaks on network TV or radio, sponsorship posters on artist tours, and retail outlet co-op ads for new releases. I don't know about you, but suddenly the idea of coughing up the price of a soda or cup of coffee for a download that'll be paid directly to the artist seems like a pretty good idea. Bottom line: People who make music for a living need to make a living. Money will be collected, if not from sale of the music, than from sale of advertising surrounding the music. It's great that hobbyists and established artists alike are giving away free downloads, but that trend shouldn't reflect poorly upon those who want to see a concrete return on their online distribution. --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 28 16:57:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03992; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:57:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:57:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:50:18 EDT Subject: Re: Vortex Pedal Query... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 135 Resent-Message-ID: <"Vmvx6.0.4e.yeIyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 27/09/99 17:05:46 GMT Daylight Time, mbiffle@svg.com writes: > What are the best expression/volume pedals for the Lexicon Vortex? Apart from the other stuff mentioned there's the Bespeco VM 18L. this vortexes perfectly, has reasonable price and a switch to reverse the action of the pedal. as it's made in Italy it may not be available in the americas Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 28 17:22:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11101; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:22:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:22:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:15:31 -0700 (PDT) From: James Pearce X-Sender: jamesrp@iris To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: Paying for downloads (was:Re: ) (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"QFEBv.0.b72.H-Iyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I still prefer having the whole package in my hand, art, lyrics, etc. And until they put a terminal into my bathroom so I can surf the web while I do my "business" I'll still keep dragging the "hardcopy" in with me. You wanna sell a product without actually having a tangible product for sale, seems kinda lame and a way to avoid "costs" and increase your "income" without providing a interesting package that people can use and play outside of their "computer rooms". You see, most ppl don't have RIO, and most ppl don't have cd-r's. So what'r they gonna do with some internet stream if they wanna listen to your music in the car? I dunno, my two cents, information is pretty free in my world, and an mp3 is just a flat-file with information waiting to be decoded by Winamp. And in my opinion "online-distribution" isn't real work. Ton's of fools do it, and some fools do it better than others. But the fact is they do it because of the low overhead it requires, the manual labor is gone, so the idea that this "flat-file" is an actual product is a larf to me. _______________________________________________________________________ James R. Pearce jamesrp@statenet.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 28 18:37:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29064; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 18:37:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 18:37:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:31:59 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002501bf09e4$e49c3860$02585858@timspc> Resent-Message-ID: <"48uRz2.0.FX6.n3Kyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >If I were you I'd stick with free song downloads and selling the physical CDs. >Why would I want to pay money to download an audio file from your site when I >can get ten gazillion of them for free from MP3.com? "Because our songs are >better" isn't enough incentive for me. Bonus GIF downloads of psychedelic >mushroom hunting maps in central texas? Maybe. > >Most of the band sites I come across give free one-minute-or-so samples of >most of their songs, and maybe one or two full-length songs as freebies. >What's wrong with that? I don't want to rain on the parade, but the >most< popular (largest number of downloads) unsigned band (i.e. - not snoop dog or any of the label musicians ) at mp3.com has sold almost 600 copies of it's cd using this method. Yes, 600. They've been with mp3 for over a year, if I remember properly. There was an interview/article on Wired last month. If you intend to get paid for your music: a. send out demos and try to sign up with an established label who can promote you or, b. go out and be a starving musician playing in little clubs to get attention I am sure you are trying both options. The mp3.com 'give them samples and sell cds' doesn't work. The 'pay for download' doesn't work. The 'make it big on the internet' thing doesn't work. Amazon and other online distribution channels are fine, but don't expect them to bring you business - they can only deliver the product, they can't bring you fans. This still has to be done the 'old fashioned' way - clubbing, sending out promos, more clubbing, radio play, more clubbing and word of mouth, and most importantly, a few hundred miracles. I work for MSN LinkExchange. We do online promotion and advertising. ( If anyone has a LinkExchange banner account, let me know your URL so I can sneak you some credits ;> ;> ) I run Microsoft's online ecommerce hosting and transaction system. I get to see a lot of people trying and failing to set up successful businesses, because they don't understand what it takes to create a successful online business. The odds of selling music online at a profit are considerably weaker than theirs - it's a completely over-saturated market with a medium-free product. > Guys, > > Looking for advice on hosting downloads and managing sales of the > independant label I'm in. > > The script is : > - we are a label comprising of three artists > - we don't want our own website clogged up with a sales pitch, money > transaction, download hassle > - we would like to sell physical CDs AND we would also like to make charged > song downloads available > - we don't want to pay for the hosting service (other than a %age of the > music cost) No offense, but if you aren't able to cover a $30 dollar monthly overhead, you'll find very few worthwhile takers. One suggestion - http://billpoint.com - it's one of our competitors. The provide an escrow service so that you don't have to pay for a merchant account. Their service has no monthly fees, but they charge a vicious percentage. They aren't a web host - you'll need one of those from somewhere else, along with someone to actually build you site, if you can't do it yourself. They also aren't a merchandising service - you'll need to do all the actual shipping etc, too. For promotion, http://www.linkexchange.com . Good luck, Please let me know if I you have any questions you think I can answer for you > > MP3.com seems to offer this - are there any hidden catches with us being a > label? What is the difference to them between you and any other three artists, from their point of view? Since the big players use mp3.com, I think you are fine. > > Also - who else hosts music for free (or a moderate cost if need be) ? Your local isp should be able to help you - anyone can host streaming music. You don't even need a RealAudio server, if you use the http streaming method. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 28 19:20:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07023; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:20:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:20:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37F14F42.5421@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:29:06 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Paying for downloads (was:Re: ) (fwd) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MN8w11.0.yp.1cKyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com James Pearce wrote: > You wanna sell > a product without actually having a tangible product for sale Where's the tangible product when you go to a concert? What do you have that's tangible when you walk out of the venue (or for that matter, even while you're in the venue?) How tangible is the sound that comes out of a commercially-produced, commercially bought-and-sold CD, and how is that actual sound any more tangible than the sound coming out of a downloaded soundfile? That is what we're dealing with, after all -- sound. That's why the jewel box, CD, liner notes, packaging, et. al is there in the first place. > seems kinda > lame and a way to avoid "costs" and increase your "income" It's *absolutely* a way to avoid costs and increase income -- no need for the quotation marks around those words. Look at it this way: in a standard major-label deal, an artist recieves something less than $1.00 for every CD they sell. (This is assuming they actually manage to pay back the several-hundred-thousand dollar debt they owe their record label for the recording of their album, which is payed back via artist royalties). If you're an artist on a label, getting less than a buck for a CD that will probably be sold for somewhere around $16.99 isn't a great deal. And you'll only be looking at getting that buck if you're one of the 3% of all artists whose album sells more than *700* copies. Maybe you're putting out a CD independently on your own. You're still looking at an investment of (at the very least) about $1,000 to get CDs printed up, plus costs for artwork, printing, packaging, shipping and handling. You'll stand a better chance of recouping your investment if you're making all the money off of sales, but it's still a considerable investment to get the music in "hard copy" format. On the other hand, let's say you're offering your music for sale via download. There'll be a small percentage taken out by the credit card provider, and there'll be some sort of fee for your e-commerce provider (for a few songs, probably somewhere in the neighborhood of $20-$30 a month). That's a considerably better deal for the artist. > without providing a > interesting package that people can use and play outside of their "computer > rooms". You see, most ppl don't have RIO, and most ppl don't have cd-r's. Fifteen years ago most people didn't have CD players or personal computers, either. Six years ago most people didn't have a web browser. Two years ago most people didn't have a DVD player. These things change. And one of the main things that facilitates these changes is products (like music downloads) being made available. The more demand and availability there is for a niche product, the more likely that niche is to be filled. > So > what'r they gonna do with some internet stream if they wanna listen to your > music in the car? You can already buy portable RIO-type devices to play in your car. As more people get online and the availability of portable players increases (and the prices drop), this will become more and more commonplace. Besides, let's say you're a major record label, owned by a large corporation. If you were looking at paid advertising for streaming Internet audio on demand, wouldn't it be in your interest to prod other divisions of your corporate umbrella into facilitating the technology, and prod the customer into purchasing it? > I dunno, my two cents, information is pretty free in my world, Is this the same world inhabited by the phone company you pay to get online, the ISP that charges you for Internet access, the banner ads that show up on countless Web sites, the corporations that own ISPs and web sites, and the bandwidth availability that has to be paid for by providers and users alike? What about the world in which artists have a copyright on their work, and distributing copywritten material without consent (even if it's an online form) is against the law (to say nothing of the ethical issue of cheating the artist out of the right to profit from their work?) > and an mp3 is > just a flat-file with information waiting to be decoded by Winamp. A CD is just a storage system for one's and zero's waiting to be decoded by a laser. And a cassette tape is just a series of magnetic particles waiting to be decoded by a playback head. > And in my opinion "online-distribution" isn't real work. Ton's of fools do it, > and some fools do it better than others. But the fact is they do it because of > the low overhead it requires, the manual labor is gone, so the idea that this > "flat-file" is an actual product is a larf to me. Music is sound. Sound is a fundamentally "intangible" thing. But the sound waves that come out of a Winamp-decoded flat-file is no more or less "tangible" than the ones coming out of a CD player or turntable. Yes, the sound quality is not quite up to par at the present moment. That's already changing at an alarming rate. Yes, not that many people own portable sound file players or CD-R burners. That too is changing. And yes, eliminating the costs and logistics of manufacturing a physical product has some very attractive elements for a prospective label or artist. By offering music for download, you're eliminating the following chain of circumstances: -- Pressing up the CDs, -- trying to get a distributor to take on that product, -- selling that product to the distributor -- trying to get the distributor to sell the product to an actual retail outlet, -- getting the retail outlet to actually sell the item, -- trying to get the distributor to pay you for product sold to a retail outlet, -- hoping that the distributor won't wind up billing you for CDs which might be returned to the distributor by the retail outlet after they've been sitting on the shelf collecting dust for several months -- making, in the best-case scenario, a few dollars off of a product with a current average in-store retail price that's scraping at the edge of $20. Personally, the idea of eliminating all of the middle-men and logistical costs from this equation is damned exciting to me. Sorry if it's nothing more than a larf (to use your term) to you. Hopefully you won't look too unkindly upon people who are interested in empowering themselves and thinking in terms of where things are going instead of where they are right now. --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 28 19:35:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11634; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:35:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:35:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000f01bf0a08$3fd80100$9022dacf@stepheng> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: Cc: References: Subject: Re: Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:21:51 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"2nqcW2.0.L-1.-tKyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > The mp3.com 'give them samples and sell cds' doesn't work. The 'pay for > download' doesn't work. The 'make it big on the internet' thing doesn't > work... The above would seem to be the popular opinion of the established brick-and-mortar music biz bunch. I find it difficult to accept ANY prediction as to how the future fares for online music promotion/sales, most especially since it's still an industry in its infancy - and for the most part developing without the assistance of the established biz. Therefore I can't accept a wholesale dismissal of this process-in-development. > If you intend to get paid for your music: > > a. send out demos and try to sign up with an established label who can promote you or, > b. go out and be a starving musician playing in little clubs to get attention ...This would seem to be more of the same. I'm sure quite a lot of folks in the established music biz would prefer it if we all just went away, or signed up with them as if it were the only way to do business. > they can only deliver the product, they can't bring you fans. This is normal. Unless one wants to go the road as in the "intend to get paid" section, an equally established method of going broke by the way, the Artist in Specific (and not just formerly known as...) should take part in promotion of his or her work. The huge difference with respect to the Internet as medium is that one doesn't have to have a great set of kneepads (for the purpose of begging some cigar-chomper to listen to your work), nor is it necessary to pay an agent to get your work heard. I think the big questions would be: * Do artists wish to do business the way the folks we would rather not do business with do, or establish a new channel for this altogether, one that at least initially promises a freedom from the artificial restraints we've come to know and accept? * Is our intent as artists to make piles of money via huge venues that require our "fans" to pay $40 a ticket? Are most folks aware that Stadium Rock as such uses a fairly new, and quite fragile, economic model, one that needn't be followed in order to eventually have satisfaction on a rent-paying and artistically-fulfilling level? I'm sure none of us would prefer to just play coffee houses forever. But given the new aspect that the Internet brings to our own niches, we'd be foolish at best to ignore it, and go on as if it will never make a difference. ****************** And now a word about LinkExchange. I've been a banner "partner" for as long as it's been available, and frankly it's not been anything close to an assistance to me in getting folks to my site. It's generally been discussed in the press how little banners work in this regard; I've debated taking mine off altogether for some time, since it's probably more of a help to the people who pay LinkExchange than the people who don't. End run, it comes up tasting like a vampiric process that pretends to benefit the banner advertiser, while helping the paying advertisers - and LinkExchange - quite a bit more than You, The Little Guy. It still remains to be seen just how much of a help a banner is to folks like us. As a matter of fact, the idea is quite a bit less established as a benefit than online promotion and sales of music, much less MP3 files. Stephen Goodman * It's the free Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html * (Hear the NEW "Star Spangled Banner" here!) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 28 20:10:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19693; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:10:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:10:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:55:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Unit Circle Media To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Paint Me a Picture In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"jpuBG3.0.D14.WMLyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry I'm replying so late, just got back from Europe. I find block diagrams really useful. It's always interesting to see other people's set-ups. QRD magazine used to have them in every issue and so does Sound Collector. I have some diagrams up of some of my set ups (they are different for every show) on my website: http://www.intonarumori.com/set-up.html Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ On Wed, 8 Sep 1999, David Myers wrote: > Dpcoffin's Illustrator gear block diagram is an example of one of the > things I love about this endeavor. I use Illustrator myself, but I suppose > it's overkill for those who aren't graphics professionals. > > I think a terrific addition to the Looper's Delight site would be a > collection of just such diagrams; looping flowcharts are at least as > pertinent to loop technique as any details about loop devices themselves, > IMO. What do you think, Kim? Or whomever could set up such a thing? I'm > not quite web-invested enough to even keep my own site in motion, so I > don't volunteer, but if anyone wants to swap block diagrams of their > current loop layouts, I have my own (quite the poor cousin of DPC's--his > gives me heavy G.A.S.) in Illustrator, and I can save/send as GIF, JPEG, or > whatever. One of the things I'll have to get around to putting at my > site.... > > David Myers > > ><< I am interested in the thread regarding signal path/ > > gear setup- >> > > > >so am i.......i think this would be most helpfull..........michael > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 28 20:43:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28013; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:43:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:43:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:32:28 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Paying for downloads (was:Re: ) (fwd) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"qLVIS2.0.Q26.ZtLyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com James R. Pearce wrote: >And in my opinion "online-distribution" isn't real work. Ton's of fools do it, >and some fools do it better than others. But the fact is they do it because of >the low overhead it requires, the manual labor is gone, so the idea that this >"flat-file" is an actual product is a larf to me. wait a tick, this is a musician's list and you think that the value of a musical product has something to do with the *manual labour* you put into it?!? I'm listening right now to Ella singing Gershwin. Gershwin wasn't doing manual labour at this point, he was scribbling little dots on paper and giving it to the right people and making a lot of money (deservedly). We are selling an information product, period. Anything that gets in the way is irrelevant, a good exercise for your personal Zen at best. /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 28 20:45:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28417; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:45:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:45:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echopark99@aol.com Message-ID: <8d19804f.2522b87f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:34:07 EDT Subject: Re: Roland PK-5 Comments? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Resent-Message-ID: <"Ri_Wa1.0.7I6.mwLyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 99-09-28 11:41:07 EDT, you write: << Also, does anyone know of a MIDI CC pedal that has a MIDI out right on the pedal (i.e., not a volume or CV into a conversion box)? The folks on alt.guitar.effects have so far come up with Digitech and Morley as possible sources. >> There is definitely a Digitech MiDI footcontroller, I saw one yesterday. It's black and it looks like one of there WHammy II pedals but slightly smaller. It looks marvelously simple, with two knobs - one to select MIDI channel, and the other to select a CC value. The pedal has a decent travel and a good feel. It was selling for $125.00 I didn't catch the model number but if you bug me about it I can call and ask. eric p echo park From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 28 21:47:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10808; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:47:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:47:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002401bf0a1b$7e6360a0$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: References: <073C734BD702D311A0E90001FA7E0947FCBED7@letterbox.kscl.com> <002501bf09e4$e49c3860$02585858@timspc> <37F12E69.2631@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Paying more to get less (was Paying for downloads (was:Re: )) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:39:32 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"RLizR3.0.Z02.ZqMyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > You could extend the reasoning here to say, "Why would I want to pay > money to go see [one of your favorite professional established artist > playing in a concert venue] when I can go to any number of clubs, > coffehouses and bars to see [unestablished/non-professional/highly > philanthropic artists] performing for no entry fee or cover charge? I would want to pay more to go to one of the established artists, because they most likely will put on a bigger, badder, better show with more energy and a few thousand more screaming fans to pump my adrenalin. Plus, I've probably already heard their music and own their CDs. So here's the formula: I would *pay* more because I would expect to *get* more. On the other hand, the philosophy of selling MP3 files on the net is "pay more, get less". Way less quality than a CD, and very-much likely likely less per-item value ($15.95 for a 12-song CD is about $1.30 per song - beat that). Now when everyone is on cablemodem, or ASL, or some other bandwidth/high-volume storage revolution hits the net, then we can talk about downloading albums for money. At that time it might be even more painless than going to the record store. But until then if you want to catch me buying music you'll find me at Rasputin Records with my Visa card and a smile. Unless I can't find it there, then I'll order the music off the web and wait two weeks for the CD to arrive. Anyway, how am I supposed to know? Good luck making your millions selling per-charge MP3 files. Just not on my credit card. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Sep 28 23:37:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01474; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:37:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:37:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004d01bf0a2a$913c1000$2396adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: feedback on Symetrix 606 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:27:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"L9XTk2.0.wf7.2QOyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com any users have any comments on this unit? it looks whacky from the parameters map on Symetrix's Web site and I've a line on one . . . the alternative is one of the Korg SDD delays--I already have a Vortex, but it seems the 606 will do alot more thanks in advance, Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 00:19:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12005; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:19:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:19:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003001bf0a30$d2afae60$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: References: <073C734BD702D311A0E90001FA7E0947FCBED7@letterbox.kscl.com> <002501bf09e4$e49c3860$02585858@timspc> <002a01bf09ed$33a1bcc0$4816a5ce@stepheng> Subject: Re: Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:12:12 -0500 X-Priority: 5 X-MSMail-Priority: Low X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"hEfc_1.0.l82.j3Pyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I don't think ANY artist/musician would be in love with the idea of never > getting paid for the work they do, much less the art they produce. And I > believe that the idea of all this being Free Forever is so Beyond Realistic > (and I don't mean Radio Shack) that some folks are going to wake up more > abruptly than others. However! The issue is not whether it's romantic for a society to starve its artists to death, it's one of simple business. You can't make money selling tapwater when everyone in your neighborhood is paying their utility bill. Call me a stick in the mud but I don't think people are lining up at the concept of paying on per-download basis for cassette-tape-quality MP3 files when they can get tens of thousands of them right now at no charge - especially when even at no charge they have to wait five-to-ten minutes downloading a four-minute song. I could be wrong. Go ahead and try. I'm just saying, I don't exactly have my credit card in hand waiting with bated breath until you get your site up. One more point. Don't knock Free. Free is a very lucrative way of making money on the Internet right now. Paradox? Hotmail, NetMail, FreeMail, Yahoo, Excite, Snap, GoTo, Geocities, Xoom, ICQ, MP3, AltaVista, AOL Instant Messenger, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Hotmail sold for what, four hundred million dollars? The minute Yahoo starts charging for web searches is the minute Yahoo files chapter 11. How many people have a subscription to the online oxford english dictionary? I personally use webster's 3rd Edition at a whopping $0.00 per hit. Free is good. Free is our friend. Free makes me happy. Now "you* deserve to make lots of cold, hard cash for what you do. Believe me, I know. You work hard for your money. So hard for it, honey. You don't have to tell me. A workman is worthy of his hire, and that's even from the Bible and everything. No, what I'm talking about is bad business. Now you may be the marketing/business supragenius who revolutionizes the charge-per-download MP3 market. I'm just saying that Free is hard to beat in a price war. And it looks like Free is going to be here - maybe not forever, but at least for a while. MP3.com is worth how many scores, or hundreds, of millions? They're not going south any time soon. And frankly, I kind of like it. No one is more desirable than when they're giving things away. For free. So anyway, you know what you're up against. Go for it. I mean, after all, it's a free market. Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 01:09:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25761; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 01:09:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 01:09:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <113a177b.2522f6dd@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 01:00:13 EDT Subject: Re: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"upkqq3.0.zn5.mpPyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com steven goodman said: "I don't think ANY artist/musician would be in love with the idea of never getting paid for the work they do, much less the art they produce." i think the last time i was paid for my "art" was playing for a small dinner party sometime in 1973.....and steven is correct, i am not "in love with the idea of never getting paid for the WORK....." this makes me wonder, why do i put so much time and energy and money into this thing we call music?......i think it simply is that i must.........if i go for a few days and not "play" i get weird, i believe the confusion is in the two words....WORK and PLAY......its the old "if a tree falls in the forest......" bit........am i any less a musician if i am not paid for my product........dont get me wrong, it would be more than sweet to never leave my little studio but if im not working, im playing..........i promise, no more coffee after ten at nite...........:).....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 01:13:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA26840; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 01:13:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 01:13:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37F1A3A8.7789@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:29:12 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: References: <073C734BD702D311A0E90001FA7E0947FCBED7@letterbox.kscl.com> <002501bf09e4$e49c3860$02585858@timspc> <002a01bf09ed$33a1bcc0$4816a5ce@stepheng> <003001bf0a30$d2afae60$02585858@timspc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fuONV.0.836.gtPyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com american qabalah wrote: > The issue is not whether it's romantic for a society to starve its artists to > death, it's one of simple business. You can't make money selling tapwater > when everyone in your neighborhood is paying their utility bill. The reason I'm not convinced by this argument is that it makes the assumption that *ANY* free download is going to be preferable to *ANY* for-sale download. It's like saying, "Why would a person shell out $17.99 for a new CD when there are plenty of good CDs to be had at the used store for a fraction of the price?" > Now "you* deserve to make lots of cold, hard cash for what you do. Believe > me, I know. You work hard for your money. So hard for it, honey. You don't > have to tell me. I'm not sure where this nasty sarcasm is coming from, but I am sure it's not necessary to make your point. > Now you may be the marketing/business supragenius who revolutionizes the > charge-per-download MP3 market. I'm just saying that Free is hard to beat in > a price war. But again, you're making the connection that any particular MP3 for sale is going to be of equal interest and/or value to any particular free download, for any particular listener. Two different pieces of music are not the same thing, and they're not going to have equal value to any particular listener. Here's an example: after two years of working in record stores I had accumulated about 200 promo CDs -- those are free CDs that stores get from labels, which wind up getting passed on to their employees. Now some of those promos were music I was excited to get. Others I grabbed out of idle curiosity. Still others were taken as spare jewel boxes or high-tech vanity mirrors. But you know what? Even when I was getting free promo CDs as a record store employee, I was still buying CDs. Why would I buy CDs when I can get plenty of free ones on a regular basis? Well, maybe I couldn't get what I wanted for free. Would you rather have a free MP3 that you don't like or a purchased MP3 that you do like? > No one is more desirable than when they're giving things away. > For free. As opposed to giving things away for a price? > So anyway, you know what you're up against. Go for it. I mean, after all, > it's a free market. Cute. --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 02:05:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA05040; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:05:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:05:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003501bf0a40$cd036640$2921b4d4@Luc.B> From: "Luc.B" To: Subject: Re: Paint Me a Picture Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:06:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"80iEF.0.p01.EjQyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Message d'origine----- De : Unit Circle Media À : Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date : mercredi 29 septembre 1999 02:21 Objet : Re: Paint Me a Picture >Sorry I'm replying so late, just got back from Europe. I find block >diagrams really useful. It's always interesting to see other people's >set-ups. QRD magazine used to have them in every issue and so does Sound >Collector. I have some diagrams up of some of my set ups (they are >different for every show) on my website: > >http://www.intonarumori.com/set-up.html > > >Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com >Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ > >On Wed, 8 Sep 1999, David Myers wrote: > >> Dpcoffin's Illustrator gear block diagram is an example of one of the >> things I love about this endeavor. I use Illustrator myself, but I suppose >> it's overkill for those who aren't graphics professionals. >> >> I think a terrific addition to the Looper's Delight site would be a >> collection of just such diagrams; looping flowcharts are at least as >> pertinent to loop technique as any details about loop devices themselves, >> IMO. What do you think, Kim? Or whomever could set up such a thing? I'm >> not quite web-invested enough to even keep my own site in motion, so I >> don't volunteer, but if anyone wants to swap block diagrams of their >> current loop layouts, I have my own (quite the poor cousin of DPC's--his >> gives me heavy G.A.S.) in Illustrator, and I can save/send as GIF, JPEG, or >> whatever. One of the things I'll have to get around to putting at my >> site.... >> >> David Myers >> >> ><< I am interested in the thread regarding signal path/ >> > gear setup- >> >> > >> >so am i.......i think this would be most helpfull..........michael >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 02:29:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA07355; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:29:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:29:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002401bf084a$785e20a0$5c16a5ce@stepheng> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:26:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Spam-o-Rama? Resent-Message-ID: <"WLNk1.0.qi1.04Ryt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:10 AM -0700 9/26/99, Stephen Goodman wrote: >I hope it's not necessary to unsubscribe just to get rid of the = >electronica spam we've all been getting this week. Kim, if you've any = >tips how to take ourselves off the rogue mailing list that's attached = >itself to LD, please inform. It's getting a bit much! > I suppose this is happening to some of you, so I'll tell you what I think is going on. People who have been on the list for longer than a year-and-a-half probably received a bunch of spams recently that appeared to be posts to this list. Funny thing is, they weren't posted to the list. In fact, the Looper's Delight list server blocks any posts from addresses not subscribed to the list. If you look closely at those spams, you'll see that they actually came from slip.net, the incompetent ISP where I originally started Looper's Delight years ago. A year and a half ago, I got so fed up with their pathetic "service" that I cancelled the looper accounts and moved the whole shebang to another ISP called Alabanza.com. So we've trucked along there ever since. Now all of a sudden, these spams show up. It seems that the morons at slip.net either never deleted the old mailing list, or they reactivated it for some reason. Some clever spam-hacker has figured this out, and discovered he could send out his spam by addressing them to lists he's found on the slip.net server. The spams go out to the list subscriber list from a year and a half ago. I don't have any access to it, so I don't have any control over the mess. I did contact slip.net and asked them to please delete the old lists. Presumably they will screw this task up, so please feel free to launch malicious internet hack attacks on them if you see another such spam. And if you think Stephen here sounds peeved, its nothing compared to the people who unsubscribed long ago and now find themselves getting spammed by Looper's Delight. Boy, did I get a mailbox full of that! Sorry about the trouble, I'm doing what I can to fix it, wish I could do more. (slip.net also figured out a way to bill my credit card $75 recently for another account that I cancelled many months ago. Now they claim I never cancelled it and refuse to undo the charge. So if any of you wants to launch cracker attacks on slip.net, or perhaps leave large amounts of explosives in their lobby, you have my permission.) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 02:56:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11037; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:56:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:56:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37F1B479.482@dmans.com> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 01:40:57 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Gig bags for Boomerangs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TRCui1.0.Sv1.g9Ryt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Rang owners, We now have a great fitted gig bag for the Rang. It's made of dense Nylon Cordura and is heavily padded. Inside there's a pocket for the power supply and a divider down the middle. The Rang goes on one side and cables or stomp boxes go on the other. It has long handles so it can be carried on your shoulder if desired. There are two zippers to close it up. The bag is black with our Boomerang logo on the side in yellow. Of course it's made in Texas, USA. The cost is $39.00 plus $5.00 for shipping and handling. Send a money order or cashiers check, along with a "ship to" address to the address below. We now return to our regularly scheduled looping topic... -- Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-343-1038, Fax Dallas, TX 75354-1595 mnelson@dmans.com, email http://www.boomerangmusic.com "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 03:00:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11703; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 03:00:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 03:00:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004301bf0a45$b126e280$2716a5ce@stepheng> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Spam-o-Rama? Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:41:41 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"pe5Yf1.0.mM2.KJRyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Holy Investigative Process, JamMan! :) It makes a good deal of sense, too. 'Tanks, Kim! Stephen Goodman * It's the free Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html * (Hear the NEW "Star Spangled Banner" here!) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 04:48:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26648; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 04:48:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 04:48:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <073C734BD702D311A0E90001FA7E0947FCBEF1@letterbox.kscl.com> From: Anthony Mullen To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:22:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"WIKl42.0.5g5.AsSyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for the advice so far. Footnote : Alot of people love their own voice and it makes a self-titallating buzzy reverberation in their own head - that's cool but you tend to mishear things all the time. We intend to do internet sales as a backup to human tangible stuff - we just don't want to have business stuff on our web site. Thanks for those with the facts. > ---------- > From: Andre LaFosse[SMTP:altruist@earthlink.net] > Sent: 29 September 1999 06:29 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: > > american qabalah wrote: > > > The issue is not whether it's romantic for a society to starve its > artists to > > death, it's one of simple business. You can't make money selling > tapwater > > when everyone in your neighborhood is paying their utility bill. > > The reason I'm not convinced by this argument is that it makes the > assumption that *ANY* free download is going to be preferable to *ANY* > for-sale download. It's like saying, "Why would a person shell out > $17.99 for a new CD when there are plenty of good CDs to be had at the > used store for a fraction of the price?" > > > Now "you* deserve to make lots of cold, hard cash for what you do. > Believe > > me, I know. You work hard for your money. So hard for it, honey. You > don't > > have to tell me. > > I'm not sure where this nasty sarcasm is coming from, but I am sure it's > not necessary to make your point. > > > Now you may be the marketing/business supragenius who revolutionizes the > > charge-per-download MP3 market. I'm just saying that Free is hard to > beat in > > a price war. > > But again, you're making the connection that any particular MP3 for sale > is going to be of equal interest and/or value to any particular free > download, for any particular listener. Two different pieces of music > are not the same thing, and they're not going to have equal value to any > particular listener. > > Here's an example: after two years of working in record stores I had > accumulated about 200 promo CDs -- those are free CDs that stores get > from labels, which wind up getting passed on to their employees. Now > some of those promos were music I was excited to get. Others I grabbed > out of idle curiosity. Still others were taken as spare jewel boxes or > high-tech vanity mirrors. > > But you know what? Even when I was getting free promo CDs as a record > store employee, I was still buying CDs. Why would I buy CDs when I can > get plenty of free ones on a regular basis? Well, maybe I couldn't get > what I wanted for free. Would you rather have a free MP3 that you don't > like or a purchased MP3 that you do like? > > > No one is more desirable than when they're giving things away. > > For free. > > As opposed to giving things away for a price? > > > So anyway, you know what you're up against. Go for it. I mean, after > all, > > it's a free market. > > Cute. > > --Andre > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 07:51:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA26298; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 07:51:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 07:51:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990929112825.44354.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.138.199] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: -OFF-TOPIC- Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 04:28:25 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"PS2qA.0.gA6.GlVyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For me music is a centering device putting me in touch with myself and in tune with a larger Universal flow or Tao. Music is a Practice, a tool to communicate. My highest moments in this life have been sharing that musical experience with my fellow earthlings. Pay has come once in awhile but it's not my main focus. Pay would be great but until that ship comes in I'll settle for being in the flow and keeping that creative mystery alive. Om and Out...Papa Dave >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: >Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 01:00:13 EDT > >steven goodman said: > > "I don't think ANY artist/musician would be in love with the idea of >never >getting paid for the work they do, much less the art they produce." > >i think the last time i was paid for my "art" was playing for a small >dinner >party sometime in 1973.....and steven is correct, i am not "in love with >the >idea of never getting paid for the WORK....." this makes me wonder, why do >i >put so much time and energy and money into this thing we call music?......i >think it simply is that i must.........if i go for a few days and not >"play" >i get weird, i believe the confusion is in the two words....WORK and >PLAY......its the old "if a tree falls in the forest......" bit........am i >any less a musician if i am not paid for my product........dont get me >wrong, >it would be more than sweet to never leave my little studio but if im not >working, im playing..........i promise, no more coffee after ten at >nite...........:).....michael > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 09:38:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16121; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:38:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:38:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 06:26:14 -0700 (PDT) From: James Pearce X-Sender: jamesrp@iris To: Andre LaFosse cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Paying for downloads (was:Re: ) (fwd) In-Reply-To: <37F14F42.5421@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"foiQ92.0.EF3.KCXyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ok, I give in to the bloatedness of this all. I'll play my "opinion" card (which is a valid option), and let you feel some fleeting fame, cause quite honestly I don't have the time to nit-pick your reply, much less read it all. To just touch on your first question about tangibility of live music. Gimme a mp3 that sweats and poors, in front of your face, out emotional energy that equals the greatest of live performances (which, it would seem for most "musicians", is the best venue). The aspect of being there for the performance alone makes it a more "tangible product". I just don't see my friends and family coming up to me saying "hey, listen to this, after this RealAudio commercial, oh and this CNET one, yeah listen to this song, it only cost me $3 to listen to!!" _______________________________________________________________________ James R. Pearce jamesrp@statenet.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 10:01:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22164; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:01:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:01:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:07:13 -0500 (CDT) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Business Models, Paying for Service, and More Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"rHcnO1.0.VZ4.LZXyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I understand what american.quabalah is saying, but here's the deal, at least as far as I'm dealing with this: My site is not selling MP3 files. The MP3 files on my site are free of charge. It's like pushers giving away free samples. I'm hoping some of you will get addicted, but there are no guarantees. You download the files, if you like 'em then you buy a CD from me and everybody's happy, hopefully. What's to stop someone from converting the MP3 files back into AIFF files and burning their own? My encoder I'm using munges the files in such a way that reverse encoding makes them sound HORRIBLE. I found this out by accident, but it's kind of like insurance. Sure, you could record the analog out from your computer into a tape recorder or soundcard, but why torture yourself? I'm not here to sell product for $18.98 like the labels want to now. I anticipate my CD (e.t.a. spring 2000 or thereabouts) will be more along the lines of Best Buy style pricing). I like to buy CDs as much as the next guy, but the MP3 scene has existed for at least four years now and it's a lot more widespread than you think it is. There were a lot of early adopters, most were using this to set-up 'pirate' audio servers, but others were using it to encode their own music for world-wide distribution. In fact, some of these guys actually came up with an idea to create a compilation of their own music. They never met face to face, they did the music, and now they've pressed a CD and it's available for purchase. I'll say this: I got a LOT more attention for my music from the net than I ever did gigging in this town (Minneapolis). I played in enough dives where guys with deformed hands admired my playing, but were more concerned with getting back to their drink than buying product. Now I've gotten rave reviews for my stuff worldwide. I actually have testimonials people have sent me up on my page (if you want to see them check out http://www.waste.org/~crash/asb.html). The best I could manage gigging live was that another guitar player from a band we were playing said I sounded kind of like Steve Howe (which was a nice compliment, but I think I sound nothing like him). It sure didn't sell any product, which we didn't really have at the time anyway. One of the assertions made is that MP3 files sound like bad cassette audio tapes. I have to disagree there since it all depends on encoding rates and the type of encoder used. If you really want to go for quality sound, you can go for MP2, but MP3 is very capable of sounding good. Check out this site at: http://www.raum.com/mpeg for comparisons of various players/encoders. -first of all, the mp3 files on my download site are of a much higher resolution than your typical 128 kbps files that most people are putting on their sites. This is a minimum of 160 kbps and I've also experimented with very high resolution 384 kbps files. You cannot tell the difference from the original at that point. I've gone back forth on this figuring that if the downloadable version has no real difference between the original then nobody would want the original. Also, lower resolution files take much less time to download. I may just offer a handful of lower resolution samples to make it easier on people and then one high-res sample, but not so high-res that there is no difference between the original and it. -the 128 kbps mp3 files you typically hear are encoded using shareware encoders at 128 kbps. You'll hear artifacting of the stereo soundstage as well as weird phasing effects. Ick. Sometimes it's enough, though, to give you an idea of what you'd get as a full range recording. I've heard 8-bit Sun .au files at 11 khz sampling rate give me an idea that I want a particular track. Downloading MP3 files on the net might not make anyone rich, but the downloading of free samples might get you attention somewhere and maybe someone in Atlanta or Tokyo might want your disc. You owe it to yourself to bypass the soul sucking machinery of the large record labels. -Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 10:02:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22243; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:02:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:02:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 06:47:52 -0700 (PDT) From: James Pearce X-Sender: jamesrp@iris To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Paying for downloads (was:Re: ) (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"VOU3q.0.2T4.bWXyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was speaking about the creation of sites for distribution, as opposed to, yes even your Gershwin example will apply, meeting people and colaborating on music, but the distribution in general. The "personality" that music has is lost in alot of ways through this almost "pay to play" series of events. Everyone has their own idea of how to play music, as well as how to make money off of it, the latter of which has never been my motivation. Which again, is the basis for opinion. Not a guideline for all. On Tue, 28 Sep 1999, Tom Ritchford wrote: |I'm listening right now to Ella singing Gershwin. Gershwin wasn't doing |manual labour at this point, he was scribbling little dots on paper |and giving it to the right people and making a lot of money (deservedly). | |We are selling an information product, period. Anything that gets in the |way is irrelevant, a good exercise for your personal Zen at best. | | /t | | _______________________________________________________________________ James R. Pearce jamesrp@statenet.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 10:26:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28452; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:26:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:26:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:08:17 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Paying for downloads (was:Re: ) (fwd) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"8pAfZ2.0.ft5.9tXyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Gimme an mp3 that sweats and pours, in front of your face, out >emotional energy that >equals the greatest of live performances apples and oranges! CDs don't pour sweat either. the question is, will internet delivery eventually replace CDs? and the answer is of course. as someone exaggerated once, "newspapers won't just be obsolete, they'll be illegal!" due to the consumption of resources. more important, will this come soon enough to affect us? dunno, but spending a little time and effort on the topic can't be a bad gamble. /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 10:35:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30110; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:35:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:35:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37F1DC41.15D4046F@texas.net> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:30:45 +0000 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Business Models, Paying for Service, and More References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HTVQZ3.0.h27.H9Yyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey todd - what software are you using to encode? the munging sounds like a nice thing. bobdog Todd Madson wrote: > My encoder I'm using munges the files > in such a way that reverse encoding makes them sound HORRIBLE. > > I found this out by accident, but it's kind of like insurance. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 10:27:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28630; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:27:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:27:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Kevin'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Korg DL8000 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:57:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"yYoO-3.0.UW5.EnXyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kevin - I have one of these. I have not used it for Looping however, just for some odd and stereo delay effects I've created. There is a lot of tweakability built into the device. I had hoped it could replace my Korg SDD2000. But alas, the digital DL8000 sine/triangle and square waveforms are not as even and smooth as on the analog SDD2000. My biggest gripes with the DL8000 are: 1) Damn noisy device -- which really supprised me. Hitting bypass really shows up how noisy the thing is... 2) Odd "ball and chain" placement of the transformer two-thirds of the way down the power chord, which is a bit of a bother for me as I rack-mount my stuff for gigs and such. That said, for the money there are some neato effects, and having a delay that thinks and presents beats per minute delay times makes for easier real-time synchonization with other things. David Kirkdorffer -----Original Message----- From: Kevin [mailto:kevin@minds-eye.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 1:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Korg DL8000 Anyone ever tried this device out or used it for looping? 10 seconds of mono delay and some other interesting features make it look tempting. It looks like it may have been discontinued (I may be wrong but its not supported on Korg's site anymore and its $339 at ZZounds (list $600)). Tapping the knowledgeable depths of LD once again Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 10:59:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04168; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:59:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:59:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Paying for downloads (was:Re: ) (fwd) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 07:46:08 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01bf0a89$5d9f9500$9f8b0b18@pinol1.sfba.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"49N_Y1.0.XN.tRYyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You must have meant "an MP3 that sweats and pours, in front of..." right? | -----Original Message----- | From: James Pearce [mailto:jamesrp@statenet.com] | Sent: Wednesday 29 September 1999 6:26 AM | To: Andre LaFosse | Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: Paying for downloads (was:Re: ) (fwd) | | To just touch on your first question about tangibility of live | music. Gimme a | mp3 that sweats and poors, in front of your face, out emotional | energy that | equals the greatest of live performances (which, it would seem for most | "musicians", is the best venue). The aspect of being there for | the performance | alone makes it a more "tangible product". From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 10:59:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04150; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:59:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:59:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Mmonroedmm@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:48:01 EDT Subject: Re: Re: Spam-o-Rama? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"YVnw5.0.rL.NRYyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sorry you are having troubs, but could you get us off the list asap? My credit card will be billed that too, fore we pay .10 online and to flash all these 80 emails a day is getting outrageous! (we don't have local provider as near canada in woods!) please please help! thanks, deb From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 11:15:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08577; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:15:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:15:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37F22C23.C0E73767@node.net> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:11:31 -0400 From: James Keepnews Reply-To: keepnews@node.net Organization: * - node - * X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: References: <199909290734.DAA15857@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PBriD1.0.Mf1.sjYyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com MP3 is awful as an audio file format and incredible as a means to encourage (although a miserable term under any circumstances, for the purposes of this discussion, let's call them/us) consumers to reassess their relationship with the supposed of cultural production -- without MP3, all prior talk concerning "the Internet=the end of the music industry" was talk and talk alone. No encryption will ever be "secure" and SDMI will be the 8-track tape of the aughties, the concerns which gave rise to this Initiative reflecting the "home taping" non-scandals of the 70's and 80's. CD will give way to DVD will give way to 128-bit resolution of digital waveform emulation will give way to 1024-bit resolution of digital waveform emulation will give way to meta-Gaussian "dithering" to smooth out the bumps along the roughly sinusoid path. These phenomena will change, once more, what our relationship to sound and its recorded manifestation(s) are all about, with all the implications of such a change, not the least of which among these a changed sense of what constitutes the "authentic"; in less than a generation, younger instrumentalists who have never heard of (for example) 45s will prefer their online recorded work to live performance because it "sounds better," more "real". Or not. There is, of course, the matter of sustenance... The Internet has so much more potential as a progressively enhanced multimedia infrastructure and node of continuous, hyper-relational engagement than a sorta cool information transfer protocol that simply surrenders to market forces that want to make it nothing less than a mall that arrives in your rumpus room via HTTP and a bonaroo, branded return-on-investment (Andre LaFosse's revelation of Industry plans for "sponsored streams" is as horrifying as it is predictable). However, debating the philosophico-practical merits of various "solutions" to (presumably) independent online music distribution seems to ignore the fact that there _are_ many solutions to having one's music heard in the early years of the Online Age and each solution can address different concentrations of need -- to say nothing of "want" -- for the musician/composer in question. So, since this all went off-topic from Anthony Mullen's initial inquiry, here's wee Jimmy's reply, mindful of the foregoing prolegomenon: > Guys, > > Looking for advice on hosting downloads and managing sales of the > independant label I'm in. > > The script is : > - we are a label comprising of three artists > - we don't want our own website clogged up with a sales pitch, money > transaction, download hassle > - we would like to sell physical CDs AND we would also like to make charged > song downloads available > - we don't want to pay for the hosting service (other than a %age of the > music cost) Let's hit "pause" for a moment...you "don't want our own website clogged up with a sales pitch, money transaction, download hassle" while you would "like to make charged song downloads available". This is a contradiction which may not be able to be synthesized into a solution, unless, of course, you want to run with an "Industry leader"... > > MP3.com seems to offer this - are there any hidden catches with us being a > label? No catches and no money, either. With hosting services running at $19.95 a month, with MP3 and SSL capabilities, why not get both the big download and the cash money by doing both -- i.e., post tracks to MP3.com and sell CDs from your site, diachronically-like? If you don't want the "hassle," by all means give up running an independent label, which is nothing but hassle, plus the occasional sale. > > Also - who else hosts music for free (or a moderate cost if need be) ? How about...you? And, what is wee Jimmy's on-line "solution"? Patience... ----------------------------------------------------------------- ~ > --- James Keepnews --- < "Don't quote anybody, Sir!" (.-.) > -- Multimedia Yahoo -- < \ * -- Krishnamurti - > - keepnews@node.net - < ----------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 11:18:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09643; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:18:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:18:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Paying for downloads (was:Re: ) (fwd) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:02:16 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01bf0a8b$9ea1d0c0$9f8b0b18@pinol1.sfba.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"-U9kl3.0.dO1.0hYyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't know. I've always admired how bands like Pink Floyd and Genesis, The Beatles, et al, they end up making me buy their albums all over again. Genesis just rereleased all their albums in CD form with all the original artwork intact, but at CD size. How can I refuse that? I must have purchased "Dark Side of the Moon" and "Band on the Run" about seven times over. I got them original, reissues, 10th anniversary, 20th anniversary, 25th anniversary, etc., etc. Each one is different and has some "goodie" that was too good to pass up. I can't imagine what the hell they'll do for 2003, the 30th! Some DVD thing no less. When CDs go out of style, they'll have invented a DVD that contains their whole album collection up to that point, but with all the original videos or shorts from the period, and all possible interviews to be seen and heard, and lots of artwork, etc. I will not refuse that. What we thought of in the 70s as an "album" doesn't exist today. But we buy the "enhanced" CDs. When CDs aren't around anymore, there will sure be some "package" with "extra" stuff that will make it impossible to ignore. If it was music alone, all those reissues wouldn't sell at all. Popular, rock, even experimental or electronic music, they all need the packaging, the "image," the "stuff." Without it, there sure is something missing. I'm all for downloaded music, but it's not just music alone. Like someone said, hey, in the bathroom, the extra "stuff" is sure entertaining. Sure, most books are a waste of paper, but some books can't be had any other way. My two pence. | -----Original Message----- | From: Tom Ritchford [mailto:tom@swirly.com] | Sent: Wednesday 29 September 1999 7:08 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: Paying for downloads (was:Re: ) (fwd) | | | >Gimme an mp3 that sweats and pours, in front of your face, out | >emotional energy that | >equals the greatest of live performances | | apples and oranges! CDs don't pour sweat either. | | the question is, will internet delivery eventually replace CDs? and the | answer is of course. | | as someone exaggerated once, "newspapers won't just be obsolete, they'll | be illegal!" due to the consumption of resources. | | | more important, will this come soon enough to affect us? dunno, but | spending a little time and effort on the topic can't be a bad gamble. | | /t | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 12:10:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23291; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:10:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:10:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: wb5150@earthlink.net Message-ID: <37F2363A.6BC@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:54:34 -0400 Reply-To: wb5150@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NSCP (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: our roots Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"iCLVy.0.yp4.VRZyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com When are we going to get back to whining about the EDP? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 12:29:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27985; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:29:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:29:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:43:40 -0700 (PDT) From: James Pearce X-Sender: jamesrp@iris To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Paying for downloads (was:Re: ) (fwd)sn In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"GBiiR.0.dt3.BDZyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Again. This was taken out of context of the conversation and was in direct response to the question about live performances, not commercial cd's. Ok, the assumption that internet delivery will replace cd's is absurd to me. Computer's haven't replaced paper (like everyone still thinks'll happen) and never will in my opinion (I have a stack of legislative documents here on my desk that I KNOW won't change). CD's haven't replaced LP's, maybe dwindled the market for them, but they are far from being gone. I guess it depends on the *type* of product you are looking for. Not everything I want or need is on the net, and it never will be. On Wed, 29 Sep 1999, Tom Ritchford wrote: |>Gimme an mp3 that sweats and pours, in front of your face, out |>emotional energy that |>equals the greatest of live performances | |apples and oranges! CDs don't pour sweat either. | |the question is, will internet delivery eventually replace CDs? and the |answer is of course. | |as someone exaggerated once, "newspapers won't just be obsolete, they'll |be illegal!" due to the consumption of resources. | | |more important, will this come soon enough to affect us? dunno, but |spending a little time and effort on the topic can't be a bad gamble. | | /t | | _______________________________________________________________________ James R. Pearce jamesrp@statenet.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 13:12:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06157; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:12:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:12:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:02:27 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Paying for downloads (was:Re: ) (fwd)sn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"x272Q2.0.Xu.uOayt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com will LPs replace CDs? http://www.ministryofsound.com/lifestyle/gear_news.asp?NewsID=2529 the question is, will it make lock-grooves? /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 13:38:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12448; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:38:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:38:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909291714.KAA29590@scv1.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:14:03 -0500 Subject: Echoplex output level--too quiet From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4JEYm1.0.4a1.iZayt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The FAQ mentions that some people complain that the output level of the EDP is too quiet, while the input is too sensitive, and that there's a mod which remedies that (changing a few resistor values). It also says that the mod was rolled into production units as of early '98. However, I've got two EDP's, an older one and a newer one (purchased earlier this year, came with the new sticker and software), and the newer one is still by far the lowest output device in my setup. I haven't opened the new one up yet to verify that the mod is present, but does anyone know if this roll-in occurred and if it made a tremendous difference? TH From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 15:01:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01682; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:01:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:01:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003d01bf0aab$ab0cee60$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: References: <073C734BD702D311A0E90001FA7E0947FCBED7@letterbox.kscl.com> <002501bf09e4$e49c3860$02585858@timspc> <002a01bf09ed$33a1bcc0$4816a5ce@stepheng> <003001bf0a30$d2afae60$02585858@timspc> <37F1A3A8.7789@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:51:39 -0500 X-Priority: 5 X-MSMail-Priority: Low X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"wkvWl2.0.RR7.5ybyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > Now "you* deserve to make lots of cold, hard cash for what you do. Believe > > me, I know. You work hard for your money. So hard for it, honey. You don't > > have to tell me. > > I'm not sure where this nasty sarcasm is coming from, but I am sure it's > not necessary to make your point. I wasn't being sarcastic or nasty at all. I was giving you face. I never use Donna Summer lyrics unless I'm talking about something good and true. If I was going to be sarcastic & nasty I would have referred to the Average White Band. Ooh! Love to love you, Baby, Tim P.S. No, enough of this drivel. All I'm saying is selling MP3 songs may not bring in cash by the forkloads. But don't listen to me, have at it, y'all. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 16:40:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29408; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:40:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:40:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007401bf0ab5$b3f80f00$9d6ec8d0@computer> From: "postaldave" To: , Subject: Re: Gig bags for Boomerangs Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:03:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"gcnLf.0.MR4.J6dyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The gig bag sounds great but when does the new hardware update come out???? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 16:54:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03774; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:54:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:54:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00c901bf0ab9$e163b9e0$e54703c3@lorenz> From: "fam. haeusle" To: References: <3.0.1.32.19990928104058.0088a390@tamiu.edu> Subject: good buy Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:33:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.203 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.203 Resent-Message-ID: <"e8Kzl1.0.KN6.4Vdyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi all you out there! well, i think i have to unsuscribe for a while (...9 months, but i'll be back, i promise!) 'cause i leave my school to attend school. so far i'm not shure if i'm gonna get my hands on a new email account or if i even gonna have time to go through 20 to 50 mostly interresting mails a day. i want to thank all of you who helped me on a lot of subjects concerning music gear and the philosophy behind music in general and looping! especially i want to thank Kim for giving me the chance to communicate to so many people around the world, who have about the same thing in mind. thanks again. lorenz ps: my account is/ will still be active, but probably i download my mails every 2 or 3 weeks (in the worst case!) pps: i recived my ld vol1 cd a week ago, what a great cd! thanks to help wanted productions & legion From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 17:31:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23218; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:23:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:23:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37E20528.43C98D1C@texas.net> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:08:59 +0000 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Boomerangs: We Got 'Em Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mlY6j3.0.oh7.Tjaut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com if anyone is interested in getting a boomerang, we just got a new shipment at krazy kat music 210.737.0523 www.krazykatmusic.com krazy2@flash.net we'll sell them for $425 + shipping if interested *please contact me there*, not at my home email. thanks! bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 17:34:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27183; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:35:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:35:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282D550@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: re- unsubscribe The Von Potters - Accordian-loopers Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:19:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"bmOPl2.0.zL.5uaut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, Oh we were just kidding.Hope no one had hard feelings.Certainly not worth leaving the list for. I have been on lists where I was flamed much worse than that. Just a little humor 8-) Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com - I'm not Graham,I'm not leaving but since the goof is blamed on him and he's leaving.. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 17:36:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27135; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:35:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:35:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:38:20 -0400 (EDT) From: wbf@aloft.micro.lucent.com (William_B_Fox) Message-Id: <199909171738.NAA04492@badboy.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Resent-Message-ID: <"w_bLW1.0.1K4.jodut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Playlist for "EMUSIC" "EMUSIC," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. http://www.wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html Show #N/A September 16, 1999. Host: Bill Fox http://www.wdiyfm.org billfox@fast.net Hurricane Floyd took out the link from the studio to the transmitter so there was no show this week. On the next EMUSIC, I will continue the month-long focus on Utah musician Robert Carty. This unsigned artist deserves widespread recognition. The Feature CD at Midnight will be Silent Dreams. Hopefully we'll be on the air instead of dreaming in silence! ;-) Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the EMUSIC pages. Playlists for every show are there. Hot links to artists and labels can be found in the monthly focus section. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 17:39:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29270; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:39:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:39:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990920133208.28294.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.137.149] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: re- unsubscribe The Von Potters - Accordian-loopers Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 06:32:07 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"OdI5T3.0.Ao6.2UZvt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ah..er.. Matthias...hell-o...Yes it is a Joke..... Gottcha...Papa Dev >From: Matthias Grob >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: re- unsubscribe The Von Potters - Accordian-loopers >Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 01:17:28 -0300 > > >I'm not Graham,I'm not leaving but since the goof is blamed on him and >he's > >leaving...what's up with that Dude. Actually the Potter's are playing at > >the Women Care Center Oct 1st @ 23E.Beach in Watsonville Ca.. We are the > >the Von Potter Family Loopers,the only Accordian-Looping Family in the > >World. Papa starts,then Mama and the six children follow, no echoplex, no > >jamman, no boomerang, no gadgets...just pure accordian looping at it's > >finest. With sychonized leider-hosen. See you all there! Papa Dave > > > >hey, thats phantastic, I thought it was a joke, sorry. Do you have a sample >for us on some site, or dont you record the "loops" either? ;-) > >Matthias > > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 17:40:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23308; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:23:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:23:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005401bf0aa4$5923dca0$0932dacf@stepheng> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: Subject: The "Paperless Office"...(was: Paying for downloads (was:Re: ) (fwd)sn) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:59:15 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"e1Oyc2.0.KI4.CEbyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is even more off-topic but here goes... :) From: James Pearce > Ok, the assumption that internet delivery will replace cd's is absurd to me. > Computer's haven't replaced paper (like everyone still thinks'll happen) and > never will in my opinion (I have a stack of legislative documents here on my > desk that I KNOW won't change). Absurd NOW, that is. The concept of the Paperless Office has been a Holy Grail of sorts to me (and countless others) for quite some time! It's only been the last few years when the feasibility of this concept has clarified for me, though. And it came about because of (surprise!) an AS/400 gig. Short Version: I was working at a music publishing company. Needless to say there are issues with royalties etc. that are more than just crucial to keep track of, and for this they had hired a pair of accountants in the beginning, who stayed with the company until the End; that is, they both died within months of each other and were brothers as well. Weird, yes, but true. Anyhow, I got quite a lot of overtime tending to the AS/400 and its screaming printer, producing a printout of some 250,000 pages - all of it sent FedEx to an incredible shipping cost! When I asked why we couldn't have just given them a dial-up to access the data, I found several basic truths: * They believed that the data "could have been altered before getting to the screen" (as if this is less possible on paper!) * They wanted physical proof, and for them screen images didn't constitute "physical"; * They wanted something in their shaking, aging hands. * They were technophobic (fairly normal for folks in their 80s who still work). After this experience, you know, I was fairly convinced that the following applies: * The Paperless Office will not be possible until the current crop of Accountants, Lawyers, and other paper pushers have either died or retired permanently, and the people THEY trained have died or retired permanently. And possibly the folks that this last group trained as well! Well, I thought of it as a bit of an informational milestone, and was relieved to be done with it when it was through. Then the accountants died, and in a flurry of movement, the Big Printout was shredded or otherwise disposed of. Guess what? We didn't find this out until another suit came up, and we asked to get the printout back. Coda: We had to print all 250,000 pages AGAIN! This more than "fairly convinced" me that I was right. Right now I and a cohort are pulling data off of the '400 to CD-ROM, in a queriable form; and the only reason this is possible is because of the Y2K non-compliance of the unit (on the hardware level!). Otherwise I'm sure this bunch would be maintaining status quo forever. So I figured that the Paperless Office won't be possible for perhaps 100 years - by which time, unless one figures out how to recycle paper effectively, the trees will have been eliminated from this orb. Probably because of some report about the declining population of paper-bearing trees! Stephen Goodman * It's the free Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html * (Hear the NEW "Star Spangled Banner" here!) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 18:00:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00580; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:00:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:00:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909292154.RAA23149@smtp5.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:59:25 -0400 Subject: Anyone selling a portable dat? From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rJa2J3.0.Xm7.ygeyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If anyone would like to trade their tascam dp-m1 portable dat for some real nice gear let me know. thanks alot, c.white From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 18:22:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05452; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:22:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:22:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" , Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Question of the Week -- when do you NOT loop? Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:02:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"92Bfl1.0.NV.Aueyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Maybe an interesting question to reveal more about what we do when we loop, would be to answer the question: "When do you make a choice NOT to loop?" For myself, I specifically don't loop much when I'm in an ensemble playing. I find it too hard to synchronize loops in a non midi world. Also, it can be really hard to "change directions" with other players once I have a 10 second loop going on. David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 18:30:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07362; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:30:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:30:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:21:10 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com, DKirkdorffer@exapps.com Subject: Re: Question of the Week -- when do you NOT loop? Resent-Message-ID: <"SJbam2.0.dM1.p4fyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've been discussing this same topic with some jazzer friends who have declared that I'm the guy they need to radicalize their sound. They're all gigging standards mostly but want to do some real stretching. I've played one of them some looping tapes and tried to warn him that, for the most part, the logistics of keeping time and turning on a dime are both very difficult maneuvers for a looper. Although with volume control in the appropriate locations you could really back loops in and out... Need more practice at this, and I believe I'll get some soon! It's also great to just play in real time with really good players anyway! Loop when ya can... and play it by ear the rest... Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." mbiffle@svg.com >>> David Kirkdorffer 09/29 3:12 PM >>> > Maybe an interesting question to reveal more about what we do when we loop, would be to answer the question: > "When do you make a choice NOT to loop?" > For myself, I specifically don't loop much when I'm in an ensemble playing. I find it too hard to synchronize loops in a non midi world. Also, it can be really hard to "change directions" with other players once I have a 10 second loop going on. David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 19:15:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17466; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:15:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:15:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Future Perfect" To: Subject: RE: Question of the Week -- when do you NOT loop? Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:57:10 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"aK7jz.0.FI3.Iafyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Interesting- when I get a chance to play with drummers, I find it hard to loop. Maybe it is not because a drummer has trouble syncing to the loop when they're used to being the timekeeper (although that may be the case), but I find when someone is banging on very loud things, it is difficult to hear the loop without a REALLY loud monitor. So usually, unless it is, say, one hand percussionist, I will just play 'normal' guitar. Also, while I use a ton of effects/guitar synth stuff with my looping, when I play 'normal' guitar, I just use a cord into the amp, and that's it. Odd, I guess. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > "When do you make a choice NOT to loop?" > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 19:44:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24100; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:44:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:44:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: FW: Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:29:01 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"wFq7h1.0.Ap4.E_fyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> The mp3.com 'give them samples and sell cds' doesn't work. The 'pay for >> download' doesn't work. The 'make it big on the internet' thing doesn't >> work... > >The above would seem to be the popular opinion of the established >brick-and-mortar music biz bunch. I find it difficult to accept ANY >prediction as to how the future fares for online music promotion/sales, most >especially since it's still an industry in its infancy - and for the most >part developing without the assistance of the established biz. Therefore I >can't accept a wholesale dismissal of this process-in-development. Sure, in the future it will be different. I'm talking about now, tomorrow and the next year or so. I'm talking about our careers and bread and butter now, in the meantime - all bets are off in the "^~.,.~^~.FUTURE.~^~.,.~^" It's not worth thinking about that till it's about to happen. Even then, I'll wager that the two strategies still won't work without some radical changes in technology (goodness that's not going to happen, is it? :>) >> If you intend to get paid for your music: >> >> a. send out demos and try to sign up with an established label who can >promote you or, >> b. go out and be a starving musician playing in little clubs to get >attention > >...This would seem to be more of the same. I'm sure quite a lot of folks in >the established music biz would prefer it if we all just went away, or >signed up with them as if it were the only way to do business. Errm, maybe they're right? I'm not in the music bix, I'm in the internet biz. I'm telling you it doesn't look good from this end either. Sorry, but that's how I see it. > they can only deliver the product, they can't bring you fans. > >This is normal. Unless one wants to go the road as in the "intend to get >paid" section, an equally established method of going broke by the way, the >Artist in Specific (and not just formerly known as...) should take part in >promotion of his or her work. The huge difference with respect to the >Internet as medium is that one doesn't have to have a great set of kneepads >(for the purpose of begging some cigar-chomper to listen to your work), nor >is it necessary to pay an agent to get your work heard. Ermm, exactly how are you going to get your music differentiated from all the crap out there? How people going to find your music? Also, people's tastes are changing thanks to the massive amount music available to them all of a sudden. I'm not talking about their stylistic habits, but how they treat music. It's becoming more disposable :< there's so much good stuff out there (as well as the crap), that there's no need to stick to one thing. Why read the same book every time you go to the library, if there are a kazillion other >good< ones to read? Still, there's been more interesting music around than I'll ever have time to enjoy since before I was born. The difference now is that niches and styles are exploding - This reminds me of something that happened in the video gaming industry, on a smaller scale. When Doom came out, the first set of levels were sent out free. It was a stroke of genius - video game crack. The first one's free... But soon every gaming mag came with a cd, of all the first levels of every game to come out. Suddenly (and there were a lot of other things involved, such as sudden over-saturation, which is a topic that deserves it's own thread, related to the music biz and online music) the market took a hit - so many people bought magazine and played the 50 demos for a couple of bucks, instead of buying one game for 50. > >I think the big questions would be: > >* Do artists wish to do business the way the folks we would rather not do >business with do, or establish a new channel for this altogether, one that >at least initially promises a freedom from the artificial restraints we've >come to know and accept? > >* Is our intent as artists to make piles of money via huge venues that >require our "fans" to pay $40 a ticket? Are most folks aware that Stadium >Rock as such uses a fairly new, and quite fragile, economic model, one that >needn't be followed in order to eventually have satisfaction on a >rent-paying and artistically-fulfilling level? > Ermm, I don't think anyone will be paying $40 to see me any time soon :> and I don't want to be presumptuous but I would that the changes for most people on this list can't more than an order of magnitude better than mine. Get used to loving what you do - I know that it's not going to pay for anything. >I'm sure none of us would prefer to just play coffee houses forever. But >given the new aspect that the Internet brings to our own niches, we'd be >foolish at best to ignore it, and go on as if it will never make a >difference. > >****************** > >And now a word about LinkExchange. I've been a banner "partner" for as long >as it's been available, and frankly it's not been anything close to an >assistance to me in getting folks to my site. It's generally been discussed >in the press how little banners work in this regard; I've debated taking >mine off altogether for some time, since it's probably more of a help to the >people who pay LinkExchange than the people who don't. End run, it comes up >tasting like a vampiric process that pretends to benefit the banner >advertiser, while helping the paying advertisers - and LinkExchange - quite >a bit more than You, The Little Guy. It still remains to be seen just how >much of a help a banner is to folks like us. As a matter of fact, the idea >is quite a bit less established as a benefit than online promotion and sales >of music, much less MP3 files. Exactly!! From LinkExchange and music online, you're looking for results that don't exist. What have I been saying all along? The channels are saturated. As people get used to clicking on banners, and being sent to a lame site, their novelty fades and people stop checking them out. The same goes for music downloads. People just have to get used to the fact that banner advertising is about as effective as any other form of advertising. Banner advertising isn't more help to big guys than little guys. The days of 50 to 1 click thrus are over. You have to give people a real reason to go to your site. Contrary to popular opinion, the most effective banners on our network tend to be ugly and loud; not crappy looking, but a tad garish, so that they will stand out on other people's sites. The say exactly what amazing stuff is just a click away. The use the f-word a lot :> Do you have the correct categorization and filtering settings set up on your account? (I'd check, but I can't right now) This makes several orders of magnitude difference in the number of people interested in what you have to offer that will see your banner. With banner networks so large, and click thru's so low, it's absolutely essential that you choose your targeting categories wisely. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 19:47:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25021; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:47:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:47:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:36:10 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003001bf0a30$d2afae60$02585858@timspc> Resent-Message-ID: <"ILEw33.0.fF5.u5gyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >I could be wrong. Go ahead and try. I'm just saying, I don't exactly have my >credit card in hand waiting with bated breath until you get your site up. > >One more point. Don't knock Free. Free is a very lucrative way of making >money on the Internet right now. Paradox? Hotmail, NetMail, FreeMail, Yahoo, >Excite, Snap, GoTo, Geocities, Xoom, ICQ, MP3, AltaVista, AOL Instant >Messenger, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Hotmail sold for what, four hundred >million dollars? The minute Yahoo starts charging for web searches is the >minute Yahoo files chapter 11. How many people have a subscription to the >online oxford english dictionary? I personally use webster's 3rd Edition at a >whopping $0.00 per hit. Free is good. Free is our friend. Free makes me >happy. Hotmail, netmail, snap, geocities, mp3, altavista, Xoom, have yet to make any money, other than being bought by someone who thinks that they can use it to make money. Yahoo is making money though. Is someone going to buy you to use you to make money? >Now you may be the marketing/business supragenius who revolutionizes the >charge-per-download MP3 market. I'm just saying that Free is hard to beat in >a price war. And it looks like Free is going to be here - maybe not forever, >but at least for a while. MP3.com is worth how many scores, or hundreds, of >millions? They're not going south any time soon. And frankly, I kind of like >it. No one is more desirable than when they're giving things away. > Prices tend to go down, but not up. Unless you can add some kind of value to your product that can't be placed in a currently available 'free' format, then you will be hard pressed to sell it. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 20:47:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06010; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:47:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:47:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37F2B172.73530D33@apex.net> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:40:18 -0500 From: James Devillez Reply-To: grndflor@apex.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #382 References: <199909291823.OAA23286@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tTUBl1.0.R51.I5hyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com the question is, will internet delivery eventually replace CDs? and the > answer is of course. > Well, I don't think so..not everyone will fall head over hills in love with the computer, I'm sort of losing my taste for it due to my ISP. (who just disconnected me again..10 minutes is all i get to read these messages and reply.) If the only way we can get music is over the net, and some of what i have heard, I sure wouldn't buy..(guess that's why radio will be around a while longer, so we can listen and choose on what we want to spend our money) then i guess i will just have to be content to listen to my own sounds which I do most of the time anyway. Course i do have an echoplex and a jamman, and wish i had about 3 more of each and am waiting patiently for Matthais's update. This is The Loopers page isn't it or did I get on the wrong one here? My 2¢ which won't buy an atomic fireball jawbreaker today..they are now 5¢ James>>>>> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 20:53:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07168; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:53:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:53:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: <70187aee.25240895@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:28:05 EDT Subject: Re: Question of the Week -- when do you NOT loop? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"L4Z-D1.0.CS.xwgyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 09/29/1999 5:29:40 PM Central Daylight Time, mbiffle@svg.com writes: << They're all gigging standards mostly but want to do some real stretching. >> I gig standards too, and when I do, I leave my EDP at home with the Loud Rig. But previously (on NYPD Blue, I can't resist following that word with those other ones), in our trio, we played standards and incorporated loops. How? Good question. Certainly not during the form of the tune... because over a 12, 16, or 32 bar form, no one could keep such metronomically correct time (nor would I like them if they could...). But in other parts of tunes, over a vamp, sure. And getting into and out of tunes, especially the more modal things.... I remeber a version of Marc Johnson's 'Samurai Hee Haw' that had a good 10 minutes of ambient loopy space in front of it (in the tonality of c# melodic minor), making the real entry of the tune (in A major pentatonic/lydian) all the more... erotic. And I recently made a loop of Steve Swallow's 'Sweeping Up', a 7-bar tune. Dialed in all the parts (it has simple chords, and just a moving inside line, no real melody), and then soloed over it. k From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 21:55:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20521; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 21:55:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 21:55:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990929220119.007b0100@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:01:19 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Question of the Week -- when do you NOT loop? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"QuINQ1.0.Rm4.28iyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Excellent question, David! I'm not sure I know the answer, but one way around it is the "stealth loop", where you get a loop going but keep it turned down. Then when an opportunity presents itself for the collective improvisation to change directions, up comes the fader, whoomp, there's the "new" loop, and off you go. This works well if rather than trading "solos", the musicians are passing the baton, so to speak, and taking turns leading the improvisation. But I agree, in an ensemble setting, unless the tunes are rehearsed and the band is fairly tight (not too often), I usually find it more natural to keep my loops more atmospheric and textural and much less synch-dependent, leaving the parts requiring spontaneous school-of-fish agility and nimble lane-changing unlooped (or grabbed in one of them thar "stealth loops" for a surprise reprise). Not always, mind you, but generally... And David, I hope you'll keep us updated regarding the Boston-area show you're putting together; it could be a great get-together for a bunch of us Northeastern hermit loopers who don't get out much. Tim At 06:02 PM 9/29/99 -0400, you wrote: >Maybe an interesting question to reveal more about what we do when we loop, >would be to answer the question: > >"When do you make a choice NOT to loop?" > >For myself, I specifically don't loop much when I'm in an ensemble playing. >I find it too hard to synchronize loops in a non midi world. Also, it can be >really hard to "change directions" with other players once I have a 10 >second loop going on. > >David Kirkdorffer > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 22:27:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27955; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:27:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:27:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003201bf0aea$9876a2c0$4c23dacf@stepheng> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:22:07 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"SdLVX.0.oV6.cbiyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > It's not worth thinking about that till it's about to happen. Most folks caught behind when everyone else is up front taking advantage of this are probably thinking that as well. > Even then, I'll wager that the two strategies still won't work without some > radical changes in technology (goodness that's not going to happen, is it? > :>) Yep. Think about this, then. In four years, someone selects a list of songs to be burned onto a CD or its equivalent - whereupon the vendor-in-question, who doesn't keep inventory beyond the traditional stuff, makes a multiple request to other vendors - the distributors publishing houses or (gasp!) the artists who own the recording and pub rights, to not only get permission to burn their songs/etc., but process payment as well. The purchaser gets more of what he/she wants, and the artists/owners of the work get paid more. Why? Because there aren't a legion of middlemen leeching off the process as if they were a necessary transaction. > >> If you intend to get paid for your music: > >> > >> a. send out demos and try to sign up with an established label who can > >promote you or, > >> b. go out and be a starving musician playing in little clubs to get > >attention > > > >...This would seem to be more of the same. I'm sure quite a lot of folks > in > >the established music biz would prefer it if we all just went away, or > >signed up with them as if it were the only way to do business. > > Errm, maybe they're right? You grew up in LA, didn't you? I can't imagine anyone subscribing to such foolishness unless they're already making money off it, or just don't know any better than to believe what everyone tells you. > I'm not in the music bix, I'm in the internet biz. I'm telling you it > doesn't look good from this end either. Sorry, but that's how I see it. That's a bit like looking through binoculars from the wrong end, isn't it? > Ermm, exactly how are you going to get your music differentiated from all > the crap out there? How people going to find your music? The publicity end of this is still in process-of-formation, evidenced by the ongoing existence of rudimentary (and ineffective) modes of advertising on the Web. Like Banners. > Also, people's tastes are changing thanks to the massive amount music > available to them all of a sudden. I'm not talking about their stylistic > habits, but how they treat music. It's becoming more disposable :< there's > so much good stuff out there (as well as the crap), that there's no need to > stick to one thing. Why read the same book every time you go to the library, > if there are a kazillion other >good< ones to read? Still, there's been more > interesting music around than I'll ever have time to enjoy since before I > was born. The difference now is that niches and styles are exploding - You know, the status quo bunch were pretty much saying the same thing 10, 20, 30, and 40 years ago. So what else is new? > This reminds me of something that happened in the video gaming industry, on > a smaller scale. When Doom came out, the first set of levels were sent out > free. It was a stroke of genius - video game crack. The first one's free... > But soon every gaming mag came with a cd, of all the first levels of every > game to come out. Suddenly (and there were a lot of other things involved, > such as sudden over-saturation, which is a topic that deserves it's own > thread, related to the music biz and online music) the market took a hit - > so many people bought magazine and played the 50 demos for a couple of > bucks, instead of buying one game for 50. And you don't see folks in the arcades anymore either. Imagine that! One can't treat the game market like the music market in any event - the elements involved aren't like Apples / Oranges, but they're different enough not to be comparable in their effects. If I need to elaborate upon this, please say so! In the long run, if one wants to obtain ones aims in whatever milieu they're in, it just doesn't pay to consider negatives unless they're something that really exist, as you coined, Now. Otherwise I suppose it's quite a struggle just to play an instrument. Stephen Goodman * It's the free Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html * (Hear the NEW "Star Spangled Banner" here!) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 22:31:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28368; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:31:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:31:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005201bf0aeb$4a5d8b20$4c23dacf@stepheng> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <073C734BD702D311A0E90001FA7E0947FCBED7@letterbox.kscl.com> <002501bf09e4$e49c3860$02585858@timspc> <002a01bf09ed$33a1bcc0$4816a5ce@stepheng> <003001bf0a30$d2afae60$02585858@timspc> <37F1A3A8.7789@earthlink.net> <003d01bf0aab$ab0cee60$02585858 Subject: Re: Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:27:05 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"uVvhc2.0.Nl6.Bgiyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >If I was going to be sarcastic & nasty I would have referred to the Average White > Band. Does anyone remember a band that played funk, out of New York City, called the Better Than Average Black Band? Sorry, it surfaced and I couldn't do a thing about it. Stephen Goodman * It's the free Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html * (Hear the NEW "Star Spangled Banner" here!) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 29 22:32:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29085; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:32:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:32:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003c01bf0aeb$018d6820$4c23dacf@stepheng> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Question of the Week -- when do you NOT loop? Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:25:02 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"511Ty3.0.sc6.Oeiyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com When synchronization is a problem, and when I don't have electric power at hand. Or when I don't feel like dragging my gear to the situation-in-question. I play acoustic nearly as much with others as electric, come to think of it. But my favorite jams to date have been acoustic ones. When in this position, I use an Oscar Schmidt 6-string (steel) with an eBow. Works just fine, whether the apocolypse has happened or not! Stephen Goodman * It's the free Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html * (Hear the NEW "Star Spangled Banner" here!) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 30 02:39:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19074; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 02:39:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 02:39:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199909291714.KAA29590@scv1.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:22:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex output level--too quiet Resent-Message-ID: <"-YZPn3.0.pf3.S6myt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:14 AM -0700 9/29/99, Travis Hartnett wrote: >The FAQ mentions that some people complain that the output level of the EDP >is too quiet, while the input is too sensitive, and that there's a mod which >remedies that (changing a few resistor values). It also says that the mod >was rolled into production units as of early '98. > >However, I've got two EDP's, an older one and a newer one (purchased earlier >this year, came with the new sticker and software), and the newer one is >still by far the lowest output device in my setup. I haven't opened the new >one up yet to verify that the mod is present, but does anyone know if this >roll-in occurred and if it made a tremendous difference? My guess is this unit doesn't have the mod done for some reason. Pop the top and check the resistor values for the gain. It's simple to change, and to me it makes a big difference. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 30 02:48:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA21782; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 02:48:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 02:48:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Paying for downloads (was:Re: ) (fwd)sn Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:34:52 -0700 Message-ID: <000501bf0b0d$e6b70e20$9f8b0b18@pinol1.sfba.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"DcFRO1.0.0g4.NMmyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, here's some more news about that -- well, not about LPs replacing CDs, but near that: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-352067.html | -----Original Message----- | From: Tom Ritchford [mailto:tom@swirly.com] | Sent: Wednesday 29 September 1999 10:02 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: Paying for downloads (was:Re: ) (fwd)sn | | | will LPs replace CDs? | | http://www.ministryofsound.com/lifestyle/gear_news.asp?NewsID=2529 | | the question is, will it make lock-grooves? | | /t | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 30 03:20:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA28804; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 03:20:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 03:20:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000a01bf0b11$8189bb20$ea4703c3@lorenz> From: "fam. haeusle" To: Subject: unsuscribe Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:00:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF0B22.4206D1C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.203 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.203 Resent-Message-ID: <"LHp0c3.0.KI6.9hmyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF0B22.4206D1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsuscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF0B22.4206D1C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF0B22.4206D1C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 30 06:50:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA02949; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 06:50:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 06:50:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BF0B41.35430E30.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: AW: unsuscribe Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:37:18 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"H-IEK3.0.0r7.rupyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com fam. haeusle wrote, > unsuscribe ROFL!! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 30 07:51:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA18306; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 07:51:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 07:51:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:39:13 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Ebow Resent-Message-ID: <"34sfm2.0.aW3.3fqyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Stephen opened my mind: >But my favorite jams to date have been acoustic ones. When in this >position, I use an Oscar Schmidt 6-string (steel) with an eBow. Works just >fine, whether the apocolypse has happened or not! Hey thats right, it works acoustic, too! So the eBow might be my only electric device in my cable- and electricity free thinkandjamroom, where resonances are a mayor study anyway! Could somebody send me one down to Brasil? I would really apreciate and pay any reasonable price (new or old). Thanks Matthias ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 30 07:40:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16122; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 07:40:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 07:40:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003c01bf0aeb$018d6820$4c23dacf@stepheng> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:39:13 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Synchronization band-loop Resent-Message-ID: <"OD_3N1.0.gV3.-eqyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >When synchronization is a problem... Yes, you all say it: Synchronization. I was concerned about this from the start. I dont like to ban other musicians into my metronome prison. So I created the BeatSync input. I hardly had the oportunity to use it, since I dont play with drums. I only used it to resync the Plex to recorded audio, which worked well! Did anyone try to connect the bass drum (or snare, HH?) to the BeatSync and let the loop follow the speed of the drummer? Since there is a SyncWindow that only considers hits close to the beat one, the driving instrument does not have to be played stupidly straight, its enough to also hit beat one pretty often. In some future loop device it will be possible to really adopt the playing speed to a sync. So far the band is not allowed to really change speed, the BrotherSync just corrects minor irregularities with a little jump in the loop. Just give it a try, simply connect the beat audio signal with a 1/4 to BeatSync and switch Sync to IN... Matthias ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 30 07:49:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA18126; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 07:49:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 07:49:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:39:13 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Question of the Week -- when do you NOT loop? Resent-Message-ID: <"b2VQf2.0.8W3.1fqyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >"When do you make a choice NOT to loop?" Oh, nice question ;-) I guess, most of us have parts without loop in their loop pieces, but they rather feel like bridges mostly, so thats probably not what we talk about here... I allways had problems with rythms. My music speaks in sound and melody. I somehow need the loop to keep me steady and leared a lot from it. Brasil tought me another big lesson. But still, without loop, I tend to constantely change themes and travel in variations, hardly repeating myself. For a long time, I thought this was not "serious" music, but more and more I find it about as interesting as mantric loops. Where is that need for repeated parts coming from? Isnt it mostly a help to remember and teach the song? So in an improvisation, you dont need it? If you want a mantric effect, use a loop to get the strongest effect, if not, just keep going, tell the story! To do it well is not so easy, but I am getting better at it, in my candleaccousiticroom. Could anyone indicate recorded music of this notreapeatatall kind? Matthias ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 30 09:47:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12840; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:47:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:47:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Future Perfect'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Question of the Week -- when do you NOT loop? Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:33:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"QdW6D2.0.Gi2.2Xsyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah -- When I play in a group -- called .little a. -- I play a gretch into a bandmaster and that's it. When I Loop, I've all the toys I can find patched in a play a guitar with much hotter pickups. -----Original Message----- From: Future Perfect [mailto:artmusic@gte.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 6:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Question of the Week -- when do you NOT loop? Interesting- when I get a chance to play with drummers, I find it hard to loop. Maybe it is not because a drummer has trouble syncing to the loop when they're used to being the timekeeper (although that may be the case), but I find when someone is banging on very loud things, it is difficult to hear the loop without a REALLY loud monitor. So usually, unless it is, say, one hand percussionist, I will just play 'normal' guitar. Also, while I use a ton of effects/guitar synth stuff with my looping, when I play 'normal' guitar, I just use a cord into the amp, and that's it. Odd, I guess. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > "When do you make a choice NOT to loop?" > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 30 10:40:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28290; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:40:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:40:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Synchronization band-loop Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 07:04:21 -0700 Message-ID: <002001bf0b4c$b16883e0$9f8b0b18@pinol1.sfba.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"5rI1_2.0.Dl4.8vsyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You know, Matthias, the Echoplex manual could well use this type of description to many of the functions. There's nothing like this type of imaginative, relaxed way of describing something to make you really not only understand, but get inspired... And it sure beats what's currently in the manual. Anyway, just a thought. Perhaps I've missed an already-compiled list of these gems... And, if none's there, well, could I make one, with the help of those interested and inspiring loopers? Javier | -----Original Message----- | From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] | Sent: Thursday 30 September 1999 4:39 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Synchronization band-loop | | | >When synchronization is a problem... | | Yes, you all say it: Synchronization. I was concerned about | this from the | start. I dont like to ban other musicians into my metronome prison. | | So I created the BeatSync input. I hardly had the oportunity to use it, | since I dont play with drums. I only used it to resync the Plex | to recorded | audio, which worked well! | | Did anyone try to connect the bass drum (or snare, HH?) to the | BeatSync and | let the loop follow the speed of the drummer? | Since there is a SyncWindow that only considers hits close to | the beat one, | the driving instrument does not have to be played stupidly straight, its | enough to also hit beat one pretty often. | | In some future loop device it will be possible to really adopt | the playing | speed to a sync. So far the band is not allowed to really | change speed, the | BrotherSync just corrects minor irregularities with a little jump in the | loop. | | Just give it a try, simply connect the beat audio signal with a 1/4 to | BeatSync and switch Sync to IN... | | Matthias | | | | | | ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 30 10:42:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28660; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:42:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:42:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990930141332.21684.rocketmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 07:13:32 -0700 (PDT) From: M T Reply-To: mt@motiontek.com Subject: Help us Boomerang! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"As9Pm2.0.t85.z_syt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Boomerang - Since Oberheim is apparently never going to make another EDP, why don't you guys come up with something with a little better sound quality that stores multiple loops and does a few other of the important EDP tricks. Maybe have Kim and Mattheus help you out with the software. Then we can buy one of those instead of growing old waiting for the next EDP. MT __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 30 10:43:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28873; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:43:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:43:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37F3349C.1AD2@ithacastring.com> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:59:56 +0000 From: Eric Aceto Reply-To: eric@ithacastring.com Organization: Ithaca Stringed Instruments X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Question of the Week -- when do you NOT loop? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7fdGt3.0.re6.vLtyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah it can be difficult but I find that with a small ensemble (duo or trio or quartet) it can work out well when the other musicians can hear the loop at a good level in the mix. Maybe the guys I play with just listen as I listen to them. A good long sound check and lower stage levels can also realy help.I go back and forth from loop and no loop ,bring em in when the groove is happening and pedal em out when there's a glitch. The audience doesn't usually catch on if you're quick about it. It's all in practice and experience. I know my brother Robbie Aceto uses a headphone mix to the drummer in loud situations .Works well to keep everything locked up and grooveacous. Regards, Eric -- drop on by for a visit http://www.ithacastring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 30 10:43:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28891; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:43:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:43:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:29:34 -0400 (EDT) From: wbf@aloft.micro.lucent.com (William_B_Fox) Message-Id: <199909301429.KAA27522@badboy.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Paying for downloads (was:Re: ) (fwd) Resent-Message-ID: <"sSa9x1.0.AK6.XFtyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com wrote: > From: Tom Ritchford > the question is, will internet delivery eventually replace CDs? and the > answer is of course. I'm afraid that I'll have to disagree, Tom. DVD or some other higher capacity medium will replace the CD. Here's why I say that. Even when 56k modems have gone the way of the dodo due to inexpensive, high bandwidth connections in 99% of the world's households, the consumer will have to be willing to carry the burden in cost and time to manufacture the end product for ALL of their music listening purchases. I don't see people doing that and I don't see a capitalist society allowing that to happen. Too many worthless people in between the musicians and the public would loose their jobs; bad for the economy. And everything boils down to money in our proto-Ferengi society. (Why do you think it's called the music BUSINESS?) As others have said, computers haven't made the paperless office and all the extra stuff (packaging) is too important a part of the package. I don't see artists wanting to give up artistic control of their CD artwork. Record labels may rip it from them. But then I don't see the labels wanting to give up that control, either. Even if the music were to be available for purchase exclusively via downloading and even if the artwork were forced down the wire with it, the customer may possibly choose not to print it out. Loss of advertising for the sellers of music. Of course, I may be short sighted... -- Bill >>> home: billfox@fast.net <<< work: billfox@lucent.com ============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. ============================================================================== The radio station: http://www.wdiyfm.org My radio show: http://www.wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html My band's site: http://www.crosswinds.net/~shadowplay From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 30 10:54:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31949; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:54:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:54:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990930141133.54425.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.137.179] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ebow Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 07:11:32 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"PcEFS1.0.765.4_syt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On the look for ebow...Mailing address Matthias?Om and Out, Papa Dave >From: Matthias Grob >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Ebow >Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:39:13 -0300 > >Stephen opened my mind: > >But my favorite jams to date have been acoustic ones. When in this > >position, I use an Oscar Schmidt 6-string (steel) with an eBow. Works >just > >fine, whether the apocolypse has happened or not! > >Hey thats right, it works acoustic, too! So the eBow might be my only >electric device in my cable- and electricity free thinkandjamroom, where >resonances are a mayor study anyway! > >Could somebody send me one down to Brasil? >I would really apreciate and pay any reasonable price (new or old). > >Thanks >Matthias > > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 30 11:59:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15347; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:59:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:59:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:47:08 +0100 (BST) From: JF Carter To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Question of the Week -- when do you NOT loop? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"3Q6_2.0.SB3.PRuyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > It's also great to just play in real time with really good players > anyway! Loop when ya can... and play it by ear the rest... Oh, boy do I agree with this? like beer and wine, in certain situation one will work soooo much better than the other. shit, I need a drink, see ya. Jim Carter a pub somewhere near Bristol Uk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 30 11:57:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15076; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:57:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:57:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:28:55 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, KB305@aol.com Subject: Re: Question of the Week -- when do you NOT loop? Resent-Message-ID: <"V05fc1.0.Kx1.V8uyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com mbiffle@svg.com writes: << They're all gigging standards mostly but want to do some real stretching. >> > I gig standards too, and when I do, I leave my EDP at home with the Loud Rig. But previously (on NYPD Blue, I can't resist following that word with those other ones), You mean "and such"? I love the way they do that... can't wait for the new season to start. > in our trio, we played standards and incorporated loops. How? Good question. Certainly not during the form of the tune... because over a 12, 16, or 32 bar form, no one could keep such metronomically correct time (nor would I like them if they could...). But in other parts of tunes, over a vamp, sure. And getting into and out of tunes, especially the more modal things.... I remeber a version of Marc Johnson's 'Samurai Hee Haw' that had a good 10 minutes of ambient loopy space in front of it (in the tonality of c# melodic minor), making the real entry of the tune (in A major pentatonic/lydian) all the more... erotic. And I recently made a loop of Steve Swallow's 'Sweeping Up', a 7-bar tune. Dialed in all the parts (it has simple chords, and just a moving inside line, no real melody), and then soloed over it. Oh yeah... for intros and outros and free floating stuff... no holds barred on the loops! It's when another player interjects some entirely "new" figure which may or may not be in the key / time structure of the existing playing. It's really a challenge to either change your loop or migrate to another one without creating a huge dropout. I've not spent enought time using my looper as accompanist for woodshedding tunes yet. I just start improvising... I'm sure I could accelerate my learning of jazz tunes by doing this. Gotta now make it so! Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." mbiffle@svg.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 30 12:00:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15501; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:00:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:00:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:36:49 +0100 (BST) From: JF Carter To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Synchronization band-loop In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"FtB_j1.0.9k2.4Kuyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I agree. If I'm playing against a digtital delay it's impossible to gat a drummer to keep time. A few years ago playing a U2 song with a typical dunk,de,dunk,de.... guitar riff I used an analogue delay which seemed a lot more tolerant of small shifts in tempo, I guess because the edges of the sound are a little less defined. Anyone use the EDP midi out to sync. drum machines? I always find that even with 1/8th beats at max. the clock output is far too slow even on a 5sec. base loop. At present I use the EDP + drum machine&sequencer. With (no sync.) long loops and moderate tempo (say 135bpm) there is a "micro" phase shift between the parts as the loop comes round which is rather nice, but I'd still like to try it in tight sync. Jim Carter University of Bristol Cantock's Close Bristol UK Tel. (44) 117 9289934 FAX (44) 117 9293746 e-mail jim.carter@bris.ac.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 30 12:10:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18614; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:10:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:10:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:55:56 +0100 (BST) From: JF Carter To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Question of the Week -- when do you NOT loop? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"6mEHs1.0.HX3.gWuyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Did you ever hear the album by the Algerian singer Rimiti call "Sidi Mansaur"? It feature Robert Fripp, Flea, the guitarist from the Dead Kennedys (forget his name), several tabla players, Frank Zappa's brass section and various Algerian instruments. The title track starts as a very tight polyrhythmic pattern with lots of tabla and heavy guitar chords but the playout gradually fades into a Frippotronic soundscape backing the singer hmmm, think I'll listen to this before I go to the pub some of the recent KC stuff uses similar devices but non of it quite gets me like this piece Jim Carter on the way to the pub somewhere near Bristol From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 30 13:32:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06492; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:32:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:32:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: RE: Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:26:20 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003201bf0aea$9876a2c0$4c23dacf@stepheng> Resent-Message-ID: <"1YhBB.0.Et.Envyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> It's not worth thinking about that till it's about to happen. > >Most folks caught behind when everyone else is up front taking advantage of >this are probably thinking that as well. But what you have been suggesting has been tried already, and isn't working. Could you tell me what you are going to do differently? > >> Even then, I'll wager that the two strategies still won't work without >some >> radical changes in technology (goodness that's not going to happen, is it? >> :>) > >Yep. Think about this, then. In four years, someone selects a list of >songs to be burned onto a CD or its equivalent - whereupon the >vendor-in-question, who doesn't keep inventory beyond the traditional stuff, >makes a multiple request to other vendors - the distributors publishing >houses or (gasp!) the artists who own the recording and pub rights, to not >only get permission to burn their songs/etc., but process payment as well. >The purchaser gets more of what he/she wants, and the artists/owners of the >work get paid more. Why? Because there aren't a legion of middlemen >leeching off the process as if they were a necessary transaction. ( Actually, it's more likely that we no longer use any form of end media, but stream directly from the source. Third generation, 2 megabit cell based connectivity will be about three years old by then. ) But the point is moot - this still doesn't work out how people will be made to pay for the stuff, and how people will be able differentiate your stuff from all the other stuff. >> > >> >...This would seem to be more of the same. I'm sure quite a lot of folks >> in >> >the established music biz would prefer it if we all just went away, or >> >signed up with them as if it were the only way to do business. >> >> Errm, maybe they're right? > >You grew up in LA, didn't you? I can't imagine anyone subscribing to such >foolishness unless they're already making money off it, or just don't know >any better than to believe what everyone tells you. No, I've never been there. I've heard a lot of strange things about the place and it's inhabitants though. What will happen to me if I do go there? It sounds like I will turn into some kind of entertainment industry drone. Are you from LA? > >> I'm not in the music bix, I'm in the internet biz. I'm telling you it >> doesn't look good from this end either. Sorry, but that's how I see it. > >That's a bit like looking through binoculars from the wrong end, isn't it? > No, I'm just coming from a different perspective. I working daily with the tools you say will save us all from the gravy train. It's way more complicated than that, and not going to be all peaches and cream. You say the magic of internet based content distribution is here. I'm telling you that the emperor is half dressed. >> Ermm, exactly how are you going to get your music differentiated from all >> the crap out there? How people going to find your music? > >The publicity end of this is still in process-of-formation, evidenced by the >ongoing existence of rudimentary (and ineffective) modes of advertising on >the Web. Like Banners. The biggest difference between banner advertising and other forms is that and exact measure of it's effectiveness is possible. Now that the novelty of banners has worn off, people are getting 'sticker shocked' by the fact that advertising is an expensive, inefficient business. Compared to other form of advertising, for some purposes banner advertising is much more effective. However, it's not going to make your site the most popular one on the web for $5.95. > >> Also, people's tastes are changing thanks to the massive amount music >> available to them all of a sudden. I'm not talking about their stylistic >> habits, but how they treat music. It's becoming more disposable :< there's >> so much good stuff out there (as well as the crap), that there's no need >to >> stick to one thing. Why read the same book every time you go to the >library, >> if there are a kazillion other >good< ones to read? Still, there's been >more >> interesting music around than I'll ever have time to enjoy since before I >> was born. The difference now is that niches and styles are exploding - > >You know, the status quo bunch were pretty much saying the same thing 10, >20, 30, and 40 years ago. So what else is new? > Broadband planetary networking? The differentiation of content from it's media, and the ability of perfect, quick and convenient duplication. Civilization as-we-know-it? I'm not sure how the 'status-quo' bunch would be saying that things are going to change. >> This reminds me of something that happened in the video gaming industry, >on >> a smaller scale. When Doom came out, the first set of levels were sent out >> free. It was a stroke of genius - video game crack. The first one's >free... >> But soon every gaming mag came with a cd, of all the first levels of every >> game to come out. Suddenly (and there were a lot of other things involved, >> such as sudden over-saturation, which is a topic that deserves it's own >> thread, related to the music biz and online music) the market took a hit - >> so many people bought magazine and played the 50 demos for a couple of >> bucks, instead of buying one game for 50. > >And you don't see folks in the arcades anymore either. Imagine that! One >can't treat the game market like the music market in any event - the >elements involved aren't like Apples / Oranges, but they're different enough >not to be comparable in their effects. If I need to elaborate upon this, >please say so! Please do so. My argument was valid, and might as well have been about people giving away shareware vegetables. Let's say that people start releasing compilation DVD's from the mp3 archive for $2 each. 10 hours of music for $2 (They would have to be DVD's because 60 minutes of music doesn't go as far as 650 megs of video games ) Would you the music market be affected? I think you'd have to take it into account. Probably not much, but the gaming market wasn't catastrophically struck either; I was just saying that it changed things a little. We have something very similar in the music market. It's called mp3.com - from the perspective we are discussion, the two main differences between it and the shareware games are that a) it's not as convenient, though it is cheaper and b) the quality of the content is abysmal. So it's not as convenient as picking up a cd at the store, yet. It will be though. People just have to get better at building content UI, and everybody has to get a ginormous connection like the T3 I'm sitting on right now. However, most of the free music still sucks, because so many people are doing it. Do you think that people will pay for music from a band they have heard one song from, since they have a taste for the quality of it's music? You seem to think so - I don't. The amount of quality music will increase and searching for it will become more refined and intelligent. All this competition is bad for everyone, not just the big guys; it's literally going to change the way we think about music and other artistic content (and other information and systems, like software, but those are just the ) Actually, people still do go to arcades, a lot. The video game business (all of it together, consoles, arcades, pc etc. etc.) rivals the movie in the amount of profit it generates ( $5 billion versus $7.5 in 1998 (this only counts US based companies, but includes international sales)) (BTW it's not even close to the profits of the gambling industry, which was $13 billion for the same year (again, only counting US based companies. Is that messed up or what?) > >In the long run, if one wants to obtain ones aims in whatever milieu they're >in, it just doesn't pay to consider negatives unless they're something that >really exist, as you coined, Now. Otherwise I suppose it's quite a struggle >just to play an instrument. > We differ in that you don't think that the stuff I've brought up exists, and I've seen it! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 30 14:59:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29455; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:59:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:59:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <17c1e3a8.25250a7e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:48:30 EDT Subject: Re: Ebow To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"1NmF92.0.0U6.o2xyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mathias, Check out http://www.musiciansfriend.com as they have them, and I believe that they do ship outside of the US... Otherwise check out http://www.wmcworld.com , or http://www.smellygig.com/~atomic Hope this helps out, Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 30 17:10:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29314; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:10:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:10:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37F3349C.1AD2@ithacastring.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:07:00 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Synchronization band-loop (monitoring) Resent-Message-ID: <"zuagB3.0.QX6.q-yyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Yeah it can be difficult but I find that with a small ensemble (duo or >trio or quartet) it can work out well when the other musicians can >hear the loop at a good level in the mix. Maybe the guys I play with >just listen as I listen to them. A good long sound check and lower >stage levels can also realy help. I find the question of monitoring very interesting: Usually, musicians want to hear themselves louder than the others. This may make sense in many situations. But I got used to have the "real" mix in the headphones and find it "healthier", because you get the picture of the listener, put yourself in the place of importance and volume you really have in the band. If you dont hear exactly some details you are doing, thats fine, because the listener will not hear it anyway. Its the effect of the ensemble that counts, not perfection of the members. And in such a mix, it is not difficult to follow the loop. Its dificult to creat such a mix (without phones) on a stage, though... >I go back and forth from loop and no >loop ,bring em in when the groove is happening and pedal em out when >there's a glitch. On the EDP we thought of doing this with Mute-Undo: Mute stops the loop (when its off-band for example) Undo restarts it from the beginning (to catch up with the band) You can also connect a ordinary foot switch to the beat sync, set Sync=IN and stomp on the swich at beat one to correct a bit. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 30 17:09:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29249; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:09:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:09:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990930141332.21684.rocketmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:07:00 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Help us Boomerang! Resent-Message-ID: <"7t3q83.0.oV6.X-yyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Hey Boomerang - > >Since Oberheim is apparently never going to make another EDP, why don't you >guys come up with something with a little better sound quality that stores >multiple loops and does a few other of the important EDP tricks. Maybe have >Kim and Mattheus help you out with the software. Then we can buy one of those >instead of growing old waiting for the next EDP. You may have missed my "EDP production" mail... Please stop feeding paranoia that EDP is not made any more. It IS, they are working on it NOW, only its name will change, and it will be CE tested and distributed in Europe, and maybe get an improved software ;-) But, yes, some joint venture for a future unit is a possibility to discuss... Matthias ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 30 17:11:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29579; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:11:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:11:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002001bf0b4c$b16883e0$9f8b0b18@pinol1.sfba.home.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:07:00 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Synchronization band-loop (manual) Resent-Message-ID: <"1T9Y1.0.qU6.L-yyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Javier, very nice: >You know, Matthias, the Echoplex manual could well use this type of >description to many of the functions. There's nothing like this type of >imaginative, relaxed way of describing something to make you really not only >understand, but get inspired... And it sure beats what's currently in the >manual. Oh, thanks. I made a big effort for the LOOP delay manual with the help of Eric, Dandy and Boris. Warren made a completely new one in no time. Comunication was bad. Since the units are pretty similar, have a read there, I think its on the site. Maybe someone should update it for the plex? (I think I should not, right now ;-) >Anyway, just a thought. Perhaps I've missed an already-compiled list of >these gems... And, if none's there, well, could I make one, with the help >of those interested and inspiring loopers? Oh, you offer some of your time and love? Thats great! I dont think there is anything compiled really. The parts would be: The actual manual, my correction file for it (about 20 inacurate facts, never corrected), the LOOP delay manual, contributions in the list mails, Erics MIDI manual, some files Kim and I wrote about the upgrades... Whatever I can help you... Maybe Gibson is aware of the lack and may help in some way... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 30 17:09:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29233; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:09:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:09:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:07:00 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Synchronization band-loop (machine-loop) Resent-Message-ID: <"r8CVs2.0.HV6.O-yyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jim asked: >Anyone use the EDP midi out to sync. drum machines? >I always find that even with 1/8th beats at max. the >clock output is far too slow even on a 5sec. base loop. Oh, thats interesting. It would not be complicated to change the 1/8th beats table. Maybe it should not contain all the odd beat numbers, but bigger ones instead? To solve your problem today (and maybe make you like the 1/8th beats as is ;-) and also to become more acurate, I recommend to divide your long loop into multiples of a small one. This can be acomplished simply by using Record-Insert: put InsertMode to INS press Record play the first bar press Insert play the other bars press Insert If you dont use any metronome, you may fall out of the beat and Insert may round to a different end than you intended. But you can help it: Since the drum machine receives MIDIclock as soon as you press Insert the first time, it starts playing and you can follow it. You can also record the first bar without playing, close it with Multiply, which makes the drum play, and then record over it using Multiply. To speed this up, you can close the silent recording with Multiply and immediately play with the drum. Or you can just record a little attack of your instrument in the first recording and use it as a "metronome" while multiplying and then bring in the drums later. You can also start the drum first and sync the EDP to it (Sync=IN). The disadvantages are: - Depending on acuracy of the units and the sound you play, you may here a correction blop sometimes at the start of the loop. - The speed is given by the drums instead of your (intuitive) Record command. >At present I use the EDP + drum machine&sequencer. >With (no sync.) long loops and moderate tempo (say 135bpm) >there is a "micro" phase shift between the parts as the >loop comes round which is rather nice, but I'd still like >to try it in tight sync. oh shure, do it, its easy! Matthias ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Sep 30 18:00:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09279; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:00:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:00:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37F3DC8D.30D649DE@cdm.sfai.edu> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:56:33 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: mark@cdm.sfai.edu Organization: Center for Digital Media@ The San Francisco Art Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Hello loopers References: <199909301758.NAA13843@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Return-Path: mark@cdm.sfai.edu Resent-Message-ID: <"lbrOU.0.yo1.wlzyt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey all, Re-subscribed (from a different email account) and I'm only receiving the digest messages, none from the group. Hmmmmmm. If this is coming through, could someone email me at mark@cdm.sfai.edu? Mark