From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 1 00:42:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03595; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 00:41:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 00:41:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 21:43:28 -0700 From: Miko Biffle Subject: Gig Spam: Mount Madonna - RAMAYANA! Monterey Cal... To: michellefreak@hotmail.com Message-id: <003401c20926$e0cf89a0$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <-3ZYJD.A.f3.ABF-8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One last gig spam... Once again I'm honored to be playing guitar in the pit band for this exciting play put on by the Mount Madonna School in the mountains of Santa Cruz California. The legendary tale, the Ramayana, of Ram and Sita and their struggles with the temptations of the world of Maya, and their devotion to the path of Dharma and service, has been told through the ages in countless ways. Mount Madonna, the Hanuman Fellowship and Mount Madonna Choir have performed numerous versions of the Ramayana yearly, spanning a period of over two decades. With abilities beyond their years, and a professional production crew and band, watch the students of the Mount Madonna school cast their spell on the audience as they re-tell this timeless classic. I believe Friday and Saturday performances will be around 7:30-ish and the Sunday performance will be in the early afternoon. Please be sure to come up and say hello if you attend the performance! Best regards, -Miko Biffle ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Mount Madonna School Theater Group presents... Ramayana! Performances on June 7,8,9 at the World Theater at Cal State Monterey Bay, Seaside, CA. Tickets can be purchased from the World Theater box office: 831.582.4580 Miko Biffle - biffoz@pacbell.net "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 1 02:22:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA07298; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 02:21:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 02:21:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 23:20:24 -0700 Subject: Gig Spam [Seattle]: Sue Ann Harkey and Tiktok 6/1/02 Polestar Music Gallery From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.seattleimprovisedmusic.com/polestar.html Polestar Music Gallery 1412 18th Avenue at East Union, Seattle SATURDAY, JUNE 1, 8 PM, $6, ALL AGES * Sue Ann Harkey * Tiktok An evening of gorgeous, exploratory guitar music, with solos and duos from longtime improvisor Sue Ann Harkey (soon to be departing Seattle) on prepared electric 12-string and Tiktok on ambient guitar. Improvising multi-instrumentalist, songwriter, and vocalist Sue Ann Harkey has been a part of Seattle and New York's underground music and visual arts scenes for more than two decades. Harkey discovered improvisational music's power in 1979, when she began playing guitar with friends; this led to her exploration of the harp-guitar and the 12-string guitar, which she plays with mallets, bows, plectrums, and rods, and which also feature alternate tunings and metal discs woven between the strings. By 1980, Harkey had formed the cassette label/political pamphlet distributor Cityzens for Non-Linear Futures (CNLF) and the improv group Audio Letter, co-founded by Harkey and violinist/songwriter Sharon Gannon, featuring Don Cherry and Dennis Charles among its revolving membership. Hailed as one of the cassette revolution's most important ensembles, Audio Letter released a prolific number of tapes through CNLF as well as one album, 1988's It Is This It Is Not This. Harkey moved to New York in 1983 and became part of that city's improvisational scene quickly, collaborating with Sue Garner, LaDonna Smith, Lesli Dalaba, Chris Cochrane, Guy Yarden, and others, many of whom appeared on her 1989 solo debut, The Ancient Past and the Ancient Future Are Both Seconds Away. She returned to Seattle in 1992, and in addition to running her own design/illustration firm, Cactus Bones Studio, she released albums such as 1997's Fulcrum, which included free jazz players and DJs from the U.S. and U.K. underground. Tiktok is the solo work of Travis Hartnett. He performs frequently in the Seattle area in a solo context and with the Steve Ball Roadshow. Previously he has worked and performed with Electrochakra, SIL2K, the Electronic Planet Ensemble, Kinesis DanceTheatre, and Ariel Danceworks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 1 02:59:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08975; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 02:58:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 02:58:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 08:57:55 +0200 Subject: Re: An introduction to myself Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CC93@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i noticed that you're playing a 7-string violin??? what's the tuning? Alas, the 7 string still has problems, and is back at D&H having a few modifications. The tuning, from top to bottom is as follows: E,A,D,G,C,F,Bb It is in 5ths all the way down to the bottom strings, which itself is one tone lower than that of the bottom string of a cello. Its a fun instrument, but bloody difficult to find a bottom string that works. :( > can you describe what you do musically? tonal, non-tonal; improv, > written, combination thereof . . . Its all improv. I close my eyes, clear my mind and just let the music flow out like a honey-dewed blend of musical diaoreah (sic?). To be quite honest, I dont know how I do it. I call my music Organic. I have themes that occur a lot through my music, but my impro's are never the same twice (I dont have the skill/patience to do that), the music changes each time. Its kind of like a learning experience.... Bah. Its early. Need coffee :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 1 03:01:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09128; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 03:00:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 03:00:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 08:59:48 +0200 Subject: Re: An introduction to myself Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <00e301c208fc$16078e90$420e88cf@stevespc> Message-Id: <29AAB955-752D-11D6-8F05-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, June 1, 2002, at 01:37 AM, M. Steven Ginn wrote: > Any part of your influence coming from Jean Luc Ponty? :-) Erm.... this is embarrassing to say, but I dont actually listen to music. Although I know who he is (I have been in correspondance with him), apart from a few snippets friends have played me, I have heard nothing of his work.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 1 03:09:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09354; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 03:07:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 03:07:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 09:06:57 +0200 Subject: Re: An introduction to myself Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200206010056190890.001004F9@smtp.web.de> Message-Id: <298FCB9F-752E-11D6-8F05-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id DAA09327 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > First of all, welcome (but I also just joined). I¥m a little bit into > street music also, but usually with another pecussionist. How do you > manage to use the line 6 out there? with the power and speaker and so > on? The Line6 is easy - I use 4 C cell batteries which last for about 30 hours in loop sampling mode. The amp that I use is a two piece Audio-One unit that was given to me by the owner (pic of my equipment: http://www.solostring.com/images/musicora/equipment.jpg). The subwoofer goes down to about 20Hz @ 40 watts, and the top unit fills in the mid and top @ 80 watts. It runs on its own rechargable batteries for about 8 hours at full volume. I used to have a Crate Taxi amplifier. It was great. About 30 watts, light(ish) and had a good battery life. (http://www.crateamps.com/products/tx/index.htm) - Ooooohhh, they have many models now! I'm thinking of buying a 12V-220V convertor, a high powered motorcycle battery and taking the repeater and rack effects onto the street.... :)... Anyone else tried something like this? Any problems I should watch out for? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 1 07:29:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA19358; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 07:28:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 07:28:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CF8B0AC.5EF19CDF@surfbest.net> Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 05:32:46 -0600 From: Lee Sebel Reply-To: synman@usa.net Organization: Cool Music Gear X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: A special request for today, June 1st References: <200205281626.MAA29969@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi gang...apologies in advance if anyone feels this is inappropriate, but I want to make today a memorable one. Today, June 1, marks the first anniversary of the passing of my bro-in-law Dave. He was a huge music fan, and as a tribute to him I composed a trance track based on the first notes I played after I heard the news of his untimely death. I would really appreciate it if you would help me pay tribute to Dave by playing the track today. Here's the song page link...thanks if you can give it a play , and feel free to encourage friends and associates to do the same. http://artists.mp3s.com/artist_song/1619/1619890.html Thanks as always for your support of my music, and thanks for helping me pay tribute to Dave. -- Tonefully yours... Lee Sebel • Cool Music Gear You Can't Live Without • 888-487-2166 Representing Innovative Instruments of Impeccable Quality 2way Messaging : coolmusic@my2way.com >>> Give a listen to my original music <<< http://www.mp3.com/voltz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 1 07:34:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA19612; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 07:32:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 07:32:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1c9501c2095f$fff84900$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <298FCB9F-752E-11D6-8F05-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Subject: New Spam Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 12:31:59 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <-BGVfD.A.ByE.QDL-8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can thank superonline.com for this one folks. Apparently they don't have an abuse address to complain to, nor an English version of the site. I get enough spam from this domain that it's worthwhile to block the whole thing, lacking any viable abuse/webmaster address. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 1 07:57:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA21509; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 07:56:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 07:56:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 07:57:42 -0400 Subject: Re:Acid for Mac From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200206010301.XAA30525@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3105763062_4490060_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3105763062_4490060_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >is there anything quite as cool as ACID for mac? Don't know if you have Digital Performer, but the upcoming upgrade to 3.1 is supposed to do Acid-style looping. --MS_Mac_OE_3105763062_4490060_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re:Acid for Mac >is there anything quite as cool as ACID for mac?

Don't know if you have Digital Performer, but the upcoming upgrade to 3.1 i= s supposed to do Acid-style looping.
--MS_Mac_OE_3105763062_4490060_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 1 11:38:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01312; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 11:37:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 11:37:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 10:36:47 -0600 Subject: Re: ACID for Mac From: Daniel Garfinkel To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thnaks very much on 5/31/02 11:29 AM, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: > At 11:11 AM -0600 5/31/02, Daniel Garfinkel wrote: >> is there anything quite as cool as ACID for mac? Is there someone who has >> magicly ported it to mac? OS 9 or Xim going crazy becaus eim broke and im >> tired of being unable to get anything good for free. > > Check out the latest Electronic Musician for a comparison of seven > loop sequencers for Mac and PC: > > http://industryclick.com/magazinearticle.asp?magazineid=33&releaseid=10207&mag > azinearticleid=149006&siteid=15 > > Also a review of Ableton Live 1.1: > > http://industryclick.com/magazinearticle.asp?magazineid=33&releaseid=10207&mag > azinearticleid=149011&siteid=15 > > > > The price of high-performance Mac loopdom is around $300. RadiaL from > Cycling74 will be about $200, but it hasn't been released yet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 1 11:38:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01346; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 11:37:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 11:37:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 10:37:12 -0600 Subject: Re: Acid for Mac From: Daniel Garfinkel To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3105772632_2795450_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3105772632_2795450_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thank you very much, that sounds awesome on 6/1/02 5:57 AM, Steve Sandberg at stevesandberg@earthlink.net wrote: >is there anything quite as cool as ACID for mac? Don't know if you have Digital Performer, but the upcoming upgrade to 3.1 is supposed to do Acid-style looping. --MS_Mac_OE_3105772632_2795450_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Acid for Mac Thank you very much, that sounds awesome

on 6/1/02 5:57 AM, Steve Sandberg at stevesandberg@earthlink.net wrote:

>is there anything quite as cool as ACID for = mac?

Don't know if you have Digital Performer, but the upcoming upgrade to 3.1 i= s supposed to do Acid-style looping.


--MS_Mac_OE_3105772632_2795450_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 1 11:44:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01841; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 11:43:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 11:43:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <22.296ea9fd.2a2a4561@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 11:42:25 EDT Subject: Re: Would it be unforgivably crass of me ... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John, Congratulations! In a message dated 5/31/02 6:32:44 PM, just-john@just-john.com writes: >... if I mentioned here that a couple hours ago I discovered an album of >mine (with looping content, naturally) made the Canadian college radio >charts? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 1 12:11:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04115; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 12:10:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 12:10:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Looping9string@aol.com Message-ID: <134.f245201.2a2a4bb1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 12:09:21 EDT Subject: MONTANA GIG SPAM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_134.f245201.2a2a4bb1_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_134.f245201.2a2a4bb1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First of all... Am I the only MONTANAN on the list??? OK: I am playing EVERY Saturday in June at the Leaf and Bean on main street in Bozeman, MT (USA)... All ages, and it's FREE to the public... Solo BASS w/ a pair of echoplex... (and a whole lot of other gear...) I'm sure I'm probably the lone looper here in MT, or at least in the Gallatin Valley, but I would love to see someone from the list there! --part1_134.f245201.2a2a4bb1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First of all...

Am I the only MONTANAN on the list???

OK:
I am playing EVERY Saturday in June at the Leaf and Bean on main street in Bozeman, MT (USA)...

All ages, and it's FREE to the public...

Solo BASS w/ a pair of echoplex... (and a whole lot of other gear...)

I'm sure I'm probably the lone looper here in MT, or at least in the Gallatin Valley, but I would love to see someone from the list there!
--part1_134.f245201.2a2a4bb1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 1 12:44:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06190; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 12:43:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 12:43:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhR+4J77a1YHc0mkfxauPzfIwBZdlAIVAK+1hIJzu8gBvC+z+ATOVLUzj8Lq From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 09:42:38 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Mark Isham looping in L.A. Message-ID: <25135-3CF8F97E-4749@storefull-2356.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Liebig, Steuart A." 's message of Fri, 31 May 2002 16:53:38 -0400 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stig, is that g.e.stinson of shadowfax fame? Bill/las vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 1 13:17:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08424; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 13:16:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 13:16:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c2098f$eaf9adc0$962e2697@o4z6b8> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: Subject: Re: Would it be unforgivably crass of me ... Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 19:15:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Congratulations ----- Original Message ----- From: "just john" To: Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 3:36 AM Subject: Would it be unforgivably crass of me ... > ... if I mentioned here that a couple hours ago I discovered an album of > mine (with looping content, naturally) made the Canadian college radio > charts? > > > > See > > http://www.earshot-online.com/charts/2002/4-200.html > > > Scroll down to 127. > > > --- > * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 1 15:26:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20315; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 15:22:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 15:22:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CF91F6F.DFBF2F7B@friendlyspider.com> Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 14:24:32 -0500 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Good mic value from RS.... References: <002e01c2098f$eaf9adc0$962e2697@o4z6b8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The local RS here in Memphis has their percussion mic on sale for 40% off....under $30.....normally $50. I think they are about to be discontinued.... These are knock-offs of Sennheiser's drum mic...I've compared them with other dynamics (SM57 and others) and they have a better sound on my djembi and conga....... -- gary @friendlyspider.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 1 18:59:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01731; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 18:59:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 18:59:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 16:00:27 -0700 Subject: Re: OT -- USB audio interfaces From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 5/20/02 6:07 AM, Louis Rossi at tarbit@hotmail.com wrote: > > Has anybody checked out the Mbox? > thanks I haven't but the reviews have been good -- at least as long as you are using it with ProTools. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 2 03:08:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA27339; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 03:05:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 03:05:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CF9C301.6075B9C0@altruistmusic.com> Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 00:02:25 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: LoopIV Midi fun References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020529210504.00b3ab90@pop.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Howdy Hans and others, armatronix wrote: > In case anybody in the know is still reading this: Are presets the proper > way to drop in and out of quantize? I notice that there are no DirectMIDI > commands listed for quantize settings. Now that I've programmed the PMC-10 > to perform the basic functions, and I'm really digging the unquantized SUS > functions, I realize that I'd like for HalfSpeed and Reverse to remain > quantized. I haven't figured out how to store and recall presets yet, but > it seems like you could possibly add a preset call to a button press to > control the quantization of a given function; for example, to have an 8th > note Replace or a cycle-length Insert. ??? Good plan! What I'd suggest would be using presets for storing different combinations of quantize settings (for both general EDP functions as well as SwitchQuant settings). You could then try programming PMC patches where the first string engages a preset via a program change command, and the second one performs half speed or reverse via note or CC commands. Since the half speed or reverse operation would happen after the preset is engaged, you should be able to trigger those events in a quantized manner. Also keep in mind that sus-insert and sus-multiply are available via MIDI in both rounded and unrounded modes, regardless of the setting of quantize. That can be very handy for expanding or contracting the loop length along cycles, without having to switch in and out of quantize. And I have to say that quantize=8th plus replace or substitute is one of the coolest things ever... OK, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 2 06:16:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA05190; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 06:13:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 06:13:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a701c20954$e6530ae0$7662f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200206010301.XAA30524@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Percussion and Looping Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 03:12:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <7tHdCD.A.xQB.X-e-8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi gang, jon wagner wrote: "Welcome! there's lots of us percussionists here. There's not a whole lot of percussion discussion " just wanted to let you know that I gave a lecture demonstration the technology and uses of looping to the Percussion Arts Society "Day of Percussion" in Santa Cruz yesterday which seemed to be well recieved. To my knolwedge, it is the first time that this has been done............I'm lobbying to have the international PAS convention have me come and lecture demo at their next annual meeting in Columbus, Ohio for this coming November. I was shocked that in all the electronic percussion presentations this last year in Nashville that there wasn't one demo of looping............it was all sample triggering with a modicum of sequencing. The possibilities, as jon well knows and utilizes so creatively are myriad for percussionists and looping. yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 2 06:38:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA06185; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 06:37:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 06:37:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 12:36:11 +0200 Subject: Midi Pedalboard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <00a701c20954$e6530ae0$7662f93f@global> Message-Id: <8E74043A-7614-11D6-9590-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi guys, I'm on the search for a large midi pedal board - one that allows CC's higher than 96 (like my Roland PC200 - great considering the most important Repeater midi changes are above that), with about 25-30 buttons - preferably stomp-box type. I remember seeing a picture of one in a magazine a year or so back, but I cannot remember the name. Do any of you have any recommendations? Cheers :) - Stu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 2 06:39:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA06312; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 06:38:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 06:38:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.204.72.176] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LoopIV Question Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 10:37:51 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2002 10:37:51.0541 (UTC) FILETIME=[8BCC3650:01C20A21] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Howdy, Will the new software for the EDP work in my old Oberheim EDP? Just a new guy wantin' to know! Thanks! Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 2 06:46:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA06604; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 06:45:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 06:45:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 12:44:42 +0200 Subject: A midi question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <00a701c20954$e6530ae0$7662f93f@global> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi again, I'm currently using my Repeater for live performances, and have at the moment a borrowed Roland FC200 midi pedal board. I am controlling the repeater using CC codes at the moment, and unfortunately, some of the most critical buttons I need to program are higher than #96 - which the FC200 does not allow (someone please correct me if I am wrong) The Repeater also allows Program Change messages to control it, however, I can find no way to set up a bank on the FC200 to control the Repeater the way that I want to. For example: Button1-4 - Track Select (PC# 6,7,8,9) Button 5 - Tap Tempo (PC# 12) Button 6 - Loop Multiply (PC# 0) Button 7 - Undo (PC# 1) Button 8 - Stop (PC# 21) Button 9 - Play (PC#20) Button 10 - Record (PC# 4) etc. etc. etc. Is it possible to program the pedal board to do this using PC codes? I have read the manual over and over again, and have gotten nowhere (I am new to Midi).... Am I asking the impossible? Thanks :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 2 08:48:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA11451; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 08:46:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 08:46:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c20a2b$971c9720$1f3c77d5@pandora.be> From: "Man In Space" To: Subject: RE: Midi Pedalboard Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 14:49:44 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C20A44.BC377480" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C20A44.BC377480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Behringer FCB1010 will do the trick, I think. Go to = www.behringer.de to find all info. I have it for a week now, and it's the most powerfull controller I've had. And it's really cheap too. Jan ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C20A44.BC377480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The Behringer=20 FCB1010 will do the trick, I think.  Go to www.behringer.de=20 to
find all info.   I have it for a week now, and it's the = most=20 powerfull
controller I've had.  And it's really cheap=20 too.

Jan

------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C20A44.BC377480-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 2 09:29:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13105; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 09:27:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 09:27:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: RE: Midi Pedalboard From: Jeffrey Lomas To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000e01c20a2b$971c9720$1f3c77d5@pandora.be> References: <000e01c20a2b$971c9720$1f3c77d5@pandora.be> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5.99 Date: 02 Jun 2002 05:24:30 -0400 Message-Id: <1023009870.1398.2265.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have the FCB1010 also. Nice controller. On Sun, 2002-06-02 at 07:49, Man In Space wrote: > The Behringer FCB1010 will do the trick, I think. Go to www.behringer.de to > find all info. I have it for a week now, and it's the most powerfull > controller I've had. And it's really cheap too. > > Jan > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 2 12:06:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19812; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 12:06:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 12:06:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRojT6+FTqQRlHQ4MlHo/a6sjim1AIUbCjcuUq+jZz9Gd/sIUy+aCKHKR8= From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 09:05:27 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Fwd: Re: Fw: THIS IS FOR REAL. IT WAS ON THE NEWS LAST NIGHT Message-ID: <4956-3CFA4247-2870@storefull-2355.public.lawson.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-29083-1449 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --WebTV-Mail-29083-1449 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Check this out, someone let me know if this is for real. I dont have micro soft. Scroll way down. Bill/Las Vegas --WebTV-Mail-29083-1449 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-2113.public.lawson.webtv.net (209.240.213.123) by storefull-2352.public.lawson.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 11:08:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thor.inter.net.il (thor.inter.net.il [192.114.186.11]) by smtpin-2113.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id BC43EFE47; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 11:08:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pcuser (diup-14-31.inter.net.il [213.8.14.31]) by thor.inter.net.il (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.1.0.58-GA) with SMTP id AGS59130; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 21:08:15 +0300 (IDT) Message-ID: <003d01c209a0$4b418e40$1f0e08d5@pcuser> From: "Kobi Hagoel" To: "Ziv & Shiri" , "zohar fresco" , , "Yigal Mor" , "William Mcallister" , "Tzvika Gelber" , "Shiri Regev (Brickman)" , "Shiri Regev" , "stucreative" , "rick walker" , "Rhythm Fusion" , , "Ofer Ziv" , "O. Faruk Tekbilek" , "Kazmirski Udi" , "Karnieli" , "John Ashley" , "jj" , "Jack Kaufman" , , "hangarang" , "hagoel e i" , "Hadas & Haimon" , , "gilad" , "Evan Kumar Fiske" , "eric delage" , "eliana gilad" , "Eitan & Marisa" , "Dell " , , "David Korup" , "david" , "Daniel Hoffman" , "DANIEL BARUCH" , "Bodhr?ness Catherine" , , , "amir perelman" , "Ali Hooshman" , "rena M" Subject: Re: Fw: THIS IS FOR REAL. IT WAS ON THE NEWS LAST NIGHT Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 21:11:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0030_01C209B0.F4AA70E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C209B0.F4AA70E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1255" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable check it out all the best kobi ----- Original Message -----=20 From: rena M=20 To: ron_anat@hotmail.com ; andrew@oneononeworld.com ; = arig@aquanet.co.il ; chilam@netvision.net.il ; avievanus@yahoo.com ; = brendagaltier@hotmail.com ; clipp@rosch.com.au ; = debby.ferguson@teva.co.il ; dity_a@yahoo.com ; elenaxampeny@hotmail.com = ; ellybloom@hotmail.com ; zeev.fain@team.telstra.com ; = zoberchik@hotmail.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 8:37 AM Subject: Fwd: Fw: THIS IS FOR REAL. IT WAS ON THE NEWS LAST NIGHT >From: "Noam Helmer"=20 >To: "???? ???" , "Yori Levy" , "Udi Savitski" , "Udi Man" , "Shuval = Greenfeld" , "Rooly Eliezerov" , "Ronit Braun Zur" , "Ronen Fadal" , = "Louz-on,Lee" , "louzon" , "Lee Louz-On" , "Ido Vaginski" , "helmer" , = "Hai Yakir" , "guy Benbenishti" , , "Amir Helmer" , "???? ????? ???" , = "??? ????" , "??? ????" , "rena M" , "Orit Eran" , "Eran Krotoshinski" , = "efrat"=20 >Subject: Fw: THIS IS FOR REAL. IT WAS ON THE NEWS LAST NIGHT=20 >Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 17:16:21 +0200=20 >=20 >FW: THIS IS FOR REAL. IT WAS ON THE NEWS LAST NIGHT.=20 >Noam Helmer=20 >Interior Architecture=20 >Ahad Ha'am 75 a=20 >Tel Aviv 65208=20 >Israel=20 >=20 >Phone: 972 - 3 - 6 850 670=20 >Fax: 972 - 3 - 6 850 714=20 >E-mail: design@helmer.co.il=20 >----- Original Message -----=20 >From: dubyofir=20 >To: ????? ???? ; ???? ??? ; ??? ???-????? ; ???? ??? ; ???? ???? ; = ??? ????? ; ??? ???? ; ?????? ????? ; ???? ???? ; ???? ???? ; ??????? = ????? ; ???? ??? ; ???? ???? ; ?????? ???? /????? ; ???? ??? ; ???? = ????? ; ???? ????? ; ????? ??? ; ????? ??? ; ????=20 >Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 13:47=20 >Subject: Fw: THIS IS FOR REAL. IT WAS ON THE NEWS LAST NIGHT=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >Duby Ofir=20 >Duby Ofir Industrial Design Ltd.=20 = >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 >Tel: 972-9-8629689=20 >Fax: 972-9-8629606=20 >Mobile: 972-54-207545=20 >=20 >E-Mail: duby@do-design.co.il=20 >URL: http://www.do-design.co.il=20 = >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=20 >----- Original Message -----=20 >From: Aldubi, Irit=20 >To: 'Bruce' ; 'charles' ; 'dina' ; 'duby offir' ; 'GAYA&YERACH' ; = 'eran'=20 >Sent: ??? ????? 26 ??? 2002 12:38=20 >Subject: FW: THIS IS FOR REAL. IT WAS ON THE NEWS LAST NIGHT=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >Irit Aldubi=20 >=20 >Travel & Marcom Coordinator=20 >=20 >ADC Israel=20 >=20 >Tel: +972.9.959.1491=20 >=20 >Fax: +972.9.959.1888=20 >=20 >-----Original Message-----=20 >From: Maron, Hadass [mailto:Hadass.Maron@hp.com]=20 >Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 11:54 AM=20 >To: Laznik, Doron; Nahari, Yael; shosh.band@teva.co.il; Szabo, Eli; = Elias, Santiago; Stern, Sara; Maor, Shosh; Bandler-Shalev, Smadar; = smadar-mi@computer-direct.co.il; Aldubi, Irit; Shimon Padan; Moshe = Margalit; kobi; kartin@attglobal.net=20 >Subject: FW: THIS IS FOR REAL. IT WAS ON THE NEWS LAST NIGHT=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >Regards,=20 >=20 >Hadass Maron=20 >=20 >Tel :972-9-7623329=20 >=20 >Fax: 972-9-7424955=20 >=20 >-----Original Message-----=20 >From: Asaf [mailto:asaf@comsecstorage.co.il]=20 >Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 8:07 PM=20 >To: joan.speller@ca.com; marcia.denoord@ca.com; = sally.santamaria@ca.com; Heilig, Ofer; Konstantinidis, Wassilios; Maron, = Hadass; orit.roediger-lavie@hp.com; herzel_adlan@ifco.co.il; = zipi_glait@flying-cargo.com; ilan_zadok@ifco.co.il; rivkasu@yahoo.co.uk; = avte77@hotmail.com; eohayon@aish.com; dolphinscry@beamartyr.net; = elke.oppenlaender@tandberg.com; Buchnik, Benny; Lupeto, Coco; Maruskova, = Zuzana; Weisswasser, Barbara; kobi_gottesman@flying-cargo.com=20 >Subject: FW: THIS IS FOR REAL. IT WAS ON THE NEWS LAST NIGHT=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >-----Original Message-----=20 >From: Anat Parasol=20 >Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 6:47 PM=20 >To: Adi Levi; Alon Katan; Amir Harpaz; Amit Omer; Asaf; Dekel Ofir; = Dina Gdalya; Erez Etzyon; Etti Bar-el; Limor Belasan; Maya Nissan; = Michal Oren; Nissim Naim; Ofir Laor; Oren Sabag; Ronen Bril; Shino; = Tomer Harbi; Yaniv Barzilay; Yaron Sadaty; Yossi Warshenbrot=20 >Subject: FW: THIS IS FOR REAL. IT WAS ON THE NEWS LAST NIGHT=20 >=20 >=20 >-----Original Message-----=20 >From: Nachshon Begun [mailto:nachshonb@harel.co.il]=20 >Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 5:17 PM=20 >To: 'adim@mashcal.co.il'; Anat Parasol; 'Ceela'; 'Chaim-szmc'; 'ELI = NETANEL'; 'Eyal Simha'; 'Fabio Libster'; 'frank'; 'hili keinan'; = 'ilan-mint'; 'jnada@mni.gov.il'; 'JULIA-W'; 'Lior - maatz'; 'MEIR - = CDI'; 'MORAN - ELAD'; 'oded.refaeli@moh.health.gov.il'; '??? ??????'; = Anet Levi; ELI FLORENTIN; Sara Chohen; Tamar Haramati; Yoav=20 >Subject: FW: THIS IS FOR REAL. IT WAS ON THE NEWS LAST NIGHT=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >-----Original Message-----=20 >From: Tal Tsarfaty=20 >Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 4:30 PM=20 >To: Liat Badnani; Yafit Balgaly; Shimon Shaul; Liora Tako; sales=20 >Subject: FW: THIS IS FOR REAL. IT WAS ON THE NEWS LAST NIGHT=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >-----Original Message-----=20 >From: SHINE,CORINA (HP-Israel,ex1) [mailto:corina_shine@hp.com]=20 >Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 1:50 PM=20 >To: smadar-mi@computer-direct.co.il; tali@harel.co.il; = alony@malamcom.co.il=20 >Subject: THIS IS FOR REAL. IT WAS ON THE NEWS LAST NIGHT=20 >=20 >=20 >Let's give a chance.=20 >=20 >Best Regards,=20 >=20 >Corina Shine=20 >=20 >Partner Account Manager=20 >=20 >HP Israel=20 >=20 >Mobile: 972-54-406033=20 >=20 >=20 >Subject: THIS IS FOR REAL. IT WAS ON THE NEWS LAST NIGHT.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >Please pass this on - it could be worth a fortune for a few seconds.=20 >Worth the punt=20 >=20 >Dear Friends,=20 >Please do not take this for a junk letter. Bill Gates is sharing his = fortune. If you ignore this you will repent later. Microsoft and AOL are = now the largest Internet companies and in an effort to make sure that = Internet Explorer remains the most widely used program, Microsoft and = AOL are running an e-mail beta test.=20 >=20 >=20 >When you forward this e-mail to friends, Microsoft can and will track = it (if you are a Microsoft Windows user) for a two week time period. For = every person that you forward this e-mail to, Microsoft will pay you = $245.00, for every person that you sent it to that forwards it on, = Microsoft will pay you $243.00 and for every third person that receives = it, you will be paid $241.00. Within two weeks, Microsoft will contact = you for your address and then send you a cheque.=20 >=20 >Regards.=20 >=20 >Chinu!=20 >=20 >I thought this was a scam myself, but two weeks after receiving this = e-mail and forwarding it on, Microsoft contacted me for my address and = within days, I received a cheque for US$24,800.00. You need to respond = before the beta testing is over. If anyone can afford this Bill Gates is = the man. It's all marketing expense to him. Please forward this to as = many people as possible. You are bound to get at least US$10,000.00.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >Best Regards=20 >=20 >Henry=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >Lango Limited=20 >101 Greenfield Road=20 >London E1 1EJ=20 >UK=20 >=20 >Tel:- +44(0)20 247 8376=20 >Fax:- +44(0)20 247 3282=20 >e-mail:- henry@lango.co.uk=20 >=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C209B0.F4AA70E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1255" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
check it out all the best kobi
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 rena=20 M
To: ron_anat@hotmail.com ; andrew@oneononeworld.com = ; arig@aquanet.co.il ; chilam@netvision.net.il ; = avievanus@yahoo.com ; brendagaltier@hotmail.com = ; clipp@rosch.com.au ; debby.ferguson@teva.co.il = ; dity_a@yahoo.com ;=20 elenaxampeny@hotmail.com = ; ellybloom@hotmail.com ; zeev.fain@team.telstra.com= ; zoberchik@hotmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 = 8:37=20 AM
Subject: Fwd: Fw: THIS IS FOR = REAL. IT=20 WAS ON THE NEWS LAST NIGHT



>From: "Noam Helmer"
>To: "???? ???" , "Yori Levy"=20 , "Udi Savitski" , "Udi = Man"=20 , "Shuval Greenfeld" = ,=20 "Rooly Eliezerov" , "Ronit Braun Zur"=20 , "Ronen Fadal" = ,=20 "Louz-on,Lee" , "louzon" = , "Lee=20 Louz-On" , "Ido Vaginski" , = "helmer" , "Hai Yakir" = , "guy=20 Benbenishti" , , = "Amir=20 Helmer" , "???? ????? ???"=20 , "??? ????" , "??? = ????"=20 , "rena M" , "Orit Eran"=20 , "Eran Krotoshinski" = ,=20 "efrat"
>Subject: Fw: THIS IS FOR REAL. IT WAS ON THE NEWS LAST = NIGHT=20
>Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 17:16:21 +0200=20
>=20
>FW: THIS IS FOR REAL. IT WAS ON THE NEWS LAST NIGHT.=20
>Noam Helmer=20
>Interior Architecture=20
>Ahad Ha'am 75 a=20
>Tel Aviv 65208=20
>Israel=20
>=20
>Phone: 972 - 3 - 6 850 670=20
>Fax: 972 - 3 - 6 850 714=20
>E-mail: design@helmer.co.il=20
>----- Original Message -----=20
>From: dubyofir=20
>To: ????? ???? ; ???? ??? ; ??? ???-????? ; ???? ??? ; = ????=20 ???? ; ??? ????? ; ??? ???? ; ?????? ????? ; ???? ???? ; ???? ???? ; = ???????=20 ????? ; ???? ??? ; ???? ???? ; ?????? ???? /????? ; ???? ??? ; ???? = ????? ;=20 ???? ????? ; ????? ??? ; ????? ??? ; ????=20
>Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 13:47=20
>Subject: Fw: THIS IS FOR REAL. IT WAS ON THE NEWS LAST = NIGHT=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>Duby Ofir=20
>Duby Ofir Industrial Design Ltd.=20 =
>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20
>Tel: 972-9-8629689=20
>Fax: 972-9-8629606=20
>Mobile: 972-54-207545=20
>=20
>E-Mail: duby@do-design.co.il=20
>URL: http://www.do-design.co.il=20 =
>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20
>----- Original Message -----=20
>From: Aldubi, Irit=20
>To: 'Bruce' ; 'charles' ; 'dina' ; 'duby offir' ;=20 'GAYA&YERACH' ; 'eran'=20
>Sent: ??? ????? 26 ??? 2002 12:38=20
>Subject: FW: THIS IS FOR REAL. IT WAS ON THE NEWS LAST = NIGHT=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>Irit Aldubi=20
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>Travel & Marcom Coordinator=20
>=20
>ADC Israel=20
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>Tel: +972.9.959.1491=20
>=20
>Fax: +972.9.959.1888=20
>=20
>-----Original Message-----=20
>From: Maron, Hadass [mailto:Hadass.Maron@hp.com]=20
>Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 11:54 AM=20
>To: Laznik, Doron; Nahari, Yael; shosh.band@teva.co.il; = Szabo,=20 Eli; Elias, Santiago; Stern, Sara; Maor, Shosh; Bandler-Shalev, = Smadar;=20 smadar-mi@computer-direct.co.il; Aldubi, Irit; Shimon Padan; Moshe = Margalit;=20 kobi; kartin@attglobal.net=20
>Subject: FW: THIS IS FOR REAL. IT WAS ON THE NEWS LAST = NIGHT=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
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>Regards,=20
>=20
>Hadass Maron=20
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>Tel :972-9-7623329=20
>=20
>Fax: 972-9-7424955=20
>=20
>-----Original Message-----=20
>From: Asaf [mailto:asaf@comsecstorage.co.il]=20
>Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 8:07 PM=20
>To: joan.speller@ca.com; marcia.denoord@ca.com;=20 sally.santamaria@ca.com; Heilig, Ofer; Konstantinidis, Wassilios; = Maron,=20 Hadass; orit.roediger-lavie@hp.com; herzel_adlan@ifco.co.il;=20 zipi_glait@flying-cargo.com; ilan_zadok@ifco.co.il; = rivkasu@yahoo.co.uk;=20 avte77@hotmail.com; eohayon@aish.com; dolphinscry@beamartyr.net;=20 elke.oppenlaender@tandberg.com; Buchnik, Benny; Lupeto, Coco; = Maruskova,=20 Zuzana; Weisswasser, Barbara; kobi_gottesman@flying-cargo.com=20
>Subject: FW: THIS IS FOR REAL. IT WAS ON THE NEWS LAST = NIGHT=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>-----Original Message-----=20
>From: Anat Parasol=20
>Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 6:47 PM=20
>To: Adi Levi; Alon Katan; Amir Harpaz; Amit Omer; Asaf; = Dekel=20 Ofir; Dina Gdalya; Erez Etzyon; Etti Bar-el; Limor Belasan; Maya = Nissan;=20 Michal Oren; Nissim Naim; Ofir Laor; Oren Sabag; Ronen Bril; Shino; = Tomer=20 Harbi; Yaniv Barzilay; Yaron Sadaty; Yossi Warshenbrot=20
>Subject: FW: THIS IS FOR REAL. IT WAS ON THE NEWS LAST = NIGHT=20
>=20
>=20
>-----Original Message-----=20
>From: Nachshon Begun [mailto:nachshonb@harel.co.il]=20
>Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 5:17 PM=20
>To: 'adim@mashcal.co.il'; Anat Parasol; 'Ceela'; = 'Chaim-szmc';=20 'ELI NETANEL'; 'Eyal Simha'; 'Fabio Libster'; 'frank'; 'hili keinan';=20 'ilan-mint'; 'jnada@mni.gov.il'; 'JULIA-W'; 'Lior - maatz'; 'MEIR - = CDI';=20 'MORAN - ELAD'; 'oded.refaeli@moh.health.gov.il'; '??? ??????'; Anet = Levi; ELI=20 FLORENTIN; Sara Chohen; Tamar Haramati; Yoav=20
>Subject: FW: THIS IS FOR REAL. IT WAS ON THE NEWS LAST = NIGHT=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>-----Original Message-----=20
>From: Tal Tsarfaty=20
>Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 4:30 PM=20
>To: Liat Badnani; Yafit Balgaly; Shimon Shaul; Liora = Tako;=20 sales=20
>Subject: FW: THIS IS FOR REAL. IT WAS ON THE NEWS LAST = NIGHT=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>-----Original Message-----=20
>From: SHINE,CORINA (HP-Israel,ex1) = [mailto:corina_shine@hp.com]=20
>Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 1:50 PM=20
>To: smadar-mi@computer-direct.co.il; tali@harel.co.il;=20 alony@malamcom.co.il=20
>Subject: THIS IS FOR REAL. IT WAS ON THE NEWS LAST = NIGHT=20
>=20
>=20
>Let's give a chance.=20
>=20
>Best Regards,=20
>=20
>Corina Shine=20
>=20
>Partner Account Manager=20
>=20
>HP Israel=20
>=20
>Mobile: 972-54-406033=20
>=20
>=20
>Subject: THIS IS FOR REAL. IT WAS ON THE NEWS LAST = NIGHT.=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>Please pass this on - it could be worth a fortune for a = few=20 seconds.=20
>Worth the punt=20
>=20
>Dear Friends,=20
>Please do not take this for a junk letter. Bill Gates = is=20 sharing his fortune. If you ignore this you will repent later. = Microsoft and=20 AOL are now the largest Internet companies and in an effort to make = sure that=20 Internet Explorer remains the most widely used program, Microsoft and = AOL are=20 running an e-mail beta test.=20
>=20
>=20
>When you forward this e-mail to friends, Microsoft can = and will=20 track it (if you are a Microsoft Windows user) for a two week time = period. For=20 every person that you forward this e-mail to, Microsoft will pay you = $245.00,=20 for every person that you sent it to that forwards it on, Microsoft = will pay=20 you $243.00 and for every third person that receives it, you will be = paid=20 $241.00. Within two weeks, Microsoft will contact you for your address = and=20 then send you a cheque.=20
>=20
>Regards.=20
>=20
>Chinu!=20
>=20
>I thought this was a scam myself, but two weeks after = receiving=20 this e-mail and forwarding it on, Microsoft contacted me for my = address and=20 within days, I received a cheque for US$24,800.00. You need to respond = before=20 the beta testing is over. If anyone can afford this Bill Gates is the = man.=20 It's all marketing expense to him. Please forward this to as many = people as=20 possible. You are bound to get at least US$10,000.00.=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>Best Regards=20
>=20
>Henry=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>Lango Limited=20
>101 Greenfield Road=20
>London E1 1EJ=20
>UK=20
>=20
>Tel:- +44(0)20 247 8376=20
>Fax:- +44(0)20 247 3282=20
>e-mail:- henry@lango.co.uk=20
>=20


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------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C209B0.F4AA70E0-- --WebTV-Mail-29083-1449-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 2 13:25:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23730; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 13:24:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 13:24:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 13:23:37 -0500 Subject: RE: Midi Pedalboard Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i can't comment on the behringer, but i've been lead to believe that the rocktron all access is the mother of all midi footcontrollers. i love mine although i'm convinced that rocktron writes their manuals in a different language. i'm getting the hang of it, but the documentation leaves a bit to be desired. blah blah blah... look around for the rocktron. you will not be limited if armed with that one. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 2 13:40:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24474; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 13:39:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 13:39:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 19:38:37 +0200 Subject: Re: Midi Pedalboard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9205E2C0-764F-11D6-A94E-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow :) http://www.rocktron.com/products/access.html Very very nice! It has 15 stomp buttons which is definitely in the right direction! I suppose that linked through the FC-200 would give me everything that I need :) Thanks. -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com On Sunday, June 2, 2002, at 08:23 PM, JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net wrote: > i can't comment on the behringer, but i've been lead > to believe that the rocktron all access is the mother > of all midi footcontrollers. i love mine although i'm > convinced that rocktron writes their manuals in a > different language. i'm getting the hang of it, but > the documentation leaves a bit to be desired. blah > blah blah... > > look around for the rocktron. you will not be limited > if armed with that one. > > -jim > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 2 13:49:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24887; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 13:48:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 13:48:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 19:47:14 +0200 Subject: Re: Fw: THIS IS FOR REAL. IT WAS ON THE NEWS LAST NIGHT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <4956-3CFA4247-2870@storefull-2355.public.lawson.webtv.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: <9dX98D.A.iEG.Epl-8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Er, you really believe this? (psst! ..... its not true) :) On Sunday, June 2, 2002, at 06:05 PM, William Mcallister forwarded: > Spam chain letter -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 2 13:58:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25378; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 13:57:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 13:57:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CFA5C05.20E91827@tapehissrecordings.com> Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 13:55:17 -0400 From: Scott Carr Organization: Tapehiss Recordings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Fw: THIS IS FOR REAL. IT WAS ON THE NEWS LAST NIGHT References: <4956-3CFA4247-2870@storefull-2355.public.lawson.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The World Weekly News? > William Mcallister wrote: > > Check this out, someone let me know if this is for real. I dont have > micro soft. Scroll way down. Bill/Las Vegas > -- ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine http://www.tapehissrecordings.com and our sites at the worlds largest online cut-out bin http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves http://mp3.com/hebephrenica http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 2 14:49:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28353; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 14:46:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 14:46:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Fw: THIS IS FOR REAL. IT WAS ON THE NEWS LAST NIGHT From: Jeffrey Lomas To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4956-3CFA4247-2870@storefull-2355.public.lawson.webtv.net> References: <4956-3CFA4247-2870@storefull-2355.public.lawson.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5.99 Date: 02 Jun 2002 10:43:11 -0400 Message-Id: <1023028992.12181.116.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com its bullshit. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 2 14:50:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28703; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 14:49:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 14:49:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 14:49:05 -0500 Subject: Re: Midi Pedalboard Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com very powerful indeed. hard to find, though. rocktron and their retailers will tell you that they're still in production and i won't debate that but i will say that finding one new is terribly difficult. you can pay musictoyz.com the 800 bucks they want for a new one or you can wait for ktjmusic.com to get their units in (679.00 new). my advice: search ebay, hugeracksinc.com, and harmony- central. good luck. if you go with the all access, i'm sure you won't be disappointed. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 2 14:52:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28889; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 14:51:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 14:51:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 14:51:13 -0500 Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Fw: THIS IS FOR REAL. IT WAS ON THE NEWS LAST NIGHT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >its bullshit. ...needless to say... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 2 15:18:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30558; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 15:17:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 15:17:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 15:02:44 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Ascii Looping was Re: Fwd: Re: Fw: THIS IS FOR REAL. IT WAS ON THE NEWS LAST NIGHT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Its from the tooth fairy tooth fairy tooth tooth fairy fait tooth tooth too! -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 2 16:59:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05884; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 16:58:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 16:58:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 13:58:02 -0700 Subject: Re: Fw: THIS IS FOR REAL. (THIS IS A LOOP BASED MUSIC LIST!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <6DC845B0-766B-11D6-9B9E-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Regardless of whether or not this was real, why the hell would you think that the Looper's Delight list would be a place to confirm it? I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, don't be such an idiot. This is a forum solely for the discussion of making loop based music. Before you post, think, "Gee, is this something that could in any way contribute to the list's understanding of making music. Loop based music?" If the answer is no, write out your email and then hit that little "X" button in the upper right hand of the email window. (Left if your on a Macintosh) and DON'T click "send message" if it asks you. Click "delete" or "Cancel" depending on what email client you're using. Then, hit yourself in the head with a hammer, possibly knocking some sense into yourself, or taking your self out of the gene pool. I will now apologize in advance for this cranky flame ridden email, but I spend way too much time each day dealing with spam, virus sent emails, and dealing with people who make my life harder because they couldn't be bothered to think. On another list, you'd be kicked off by the moderator for sending such junk. Here, I just insult you. Oh, and by the way, before any of you send a retort, I don't care what you think, I'm right. This email is real, though you won't hear about it on the news. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, June 2, 2002, at 12:51 PM, JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net wrote: >> its bullshit. > > ...needless to say... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 2 17:56:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10263; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 17:53:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 17:53:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020602161301.008ad820@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 16:13:01 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Fw: THIS IS FOR REAL. (THIS IS A LOOP BASED MUSIC LIST!) In-Reply-To: <6DC845B0-766B-11D6-9B9E-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com IMO, the email was sent to get "credit" for all of us receiving the email. Gee, thanks for thinking of me! M... At 01:58 PM 6/2/02 -0700, you wrote: >Regardless of whether or not this was real, why the hell would you think >that the Looper's Delight list would be a place to confirm it? I'm >going to go out on a limb here and say, don't be such an idiot. This is >a forum solely for the discussion of making loop based music. Before >you post, think, "Gee, is this something that could in any way >contribute to the list's understanding of making music. Loop based >music?" If the answer is no, write out your email and then hit that >little "X" button in the upper right hand of the email window. (Left if >your on a Macintosh) and DON'T click "send message" if it asks you. >Click "delete" or "Cancel" depending on what email client you're using. >Then, hit yourself in the head with a hammer, possibly knocking some >sense into yourself, or taking your self out of the gene pool. > >I will now apologize in advance for this cranky flame ridden email, but >I spend way too much time each day dealing with spam, virus sent emails, >and dealing with people who make my life harder because they couldn't be >bothered to think. On another list, you'd be kicked off by the >moderator for sending such junk. Here, I just insult you. Oh, and by >the way, before any of you send a retort, I don't care what you think, >I'm right. > >This email is real, though you won't hear about it on the news. > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Sunday, June 2, 2002, at 12:51 PM, JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net wrote: > >>> its bullshit. >> >> ...needless to say... >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 2 17:59:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10545; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 17:57:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 17:57:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 17:57:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Fw: THIS IS FOR REAL. (THIS IS A LOOP BASED MUSIC LIST!) Resent-Message-ID: <2qQW5C.A.bkC.tSp-8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have a confession to make: i think mr. sottilaro's ferocious retorts are pretty damn funny. way to be funny! ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 2 18:15:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12472; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 18:12:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 18:12:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CFA895E.842D319F@vtx.ch> Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 23:08:46 +0200 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: LD statistics please Kim Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim I'd love to know a litle more about the traffic,nb of list members, etc ... on our litle looping community ? some numbers? Thanks Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 2 18:26:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13422; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 18:25:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 18:25:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <91.1dd9df80.2a2bf51d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 18:24:29 EDT Subject: Re: Fw: THIS IS FOR REAL. (THIS IS A LOOP BASED MUSIC LIST!) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_91.1dd9df80.2a2bf51d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_91.1dd9df80.2a2bf51d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/2/02 5:57:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net writes: > ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha > you wont be laughing so much when mr. sottilaro turns his watchful eye upon your use of bandwith mr. fowler.....he he he.....michael --part1_91.1dd9df80.2a2bf51d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/2/02 5:57:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net writes:


ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha


you wont be laughing so much when mr. sottilaro turns his watchful eye upon your use of bandwith mr. fowler.....he he he.....michael

--part1_91.1dd9df80.2a2bf51d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 2 18:54:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14923; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 18:52:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 18:52:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 18:51:54 -0500 Subject: Re: Fw: THIS IS FOR REAL. (THIS IS A LOOP BASED MUSIC LIST!) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ::cowering:: what did i do?! i'm not the one who sent that forward! -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 2 20:01:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20377; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 20:00:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 20:00:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020602170052.021b76a0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 17:01:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: LoopIV Question In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:37 AM 6/2/2002, Chris Olden wrote: > Howdy, > Will the new software for the EDP work in my old > Oberheim EDP? Just a new guy wantin' to know! > Thanks! > Chris Olden yes, it will work in any echoplex digital pro, Gibson or Oberheim. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 02:34:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12473; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 02:32:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 02:32:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 23:32:10 -0700 Subject: Re: Fw: THIS IS FOR REAL. (THIS IS A LOOP BASED MUSIC LIST!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I do what I can. Don't forget to tip your wait staff! I'll be here all week, thanks you've been a great audience! Mark On Sunday, June 2, 2002, at 03:57 PM, JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net wrote: > i have a confession to make: i think mr. sottilaro's > ferocious retorts are pretty damn funny. way to be > funny! > > ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha > > -jim > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 02:59:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA13709; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 02:57:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 02:57:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4956-3CFA4247-2870@storefull-2355.public.lawson.webtv.net> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 03:01:28 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: THIS IS FOR REAL. (Ejection proposal) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Check this out, someone let me know if this is for real. I dont have >micro soft. Scroll way down. Bill/Las Vegas What's the procedure for bringing to the floor the proposal that "Bill/Las Vegas" be permanently ejected from the list? --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 03:54:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16963; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 03:53:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 03:53:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c20aa1$27a91500$01f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: THIS IS FOR REAL. (Ejection proposal) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 02:51:17 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com think that might be a bit rash? he didn't insult anybody personally...what's one more bullshit email? hell, yahoo.com whores your address out to who knows how many spammers. just trying to keep the peace. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 04:17:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19274; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 04:15:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 04:15:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:14:28 +0200 Subject: Re: THIS IS FOR REAL. (Ejection proposal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002d01c20aa1$27a91500$01f8c440@g0wn7> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: <8_MvVC.A.ksE.IWy-8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree. It might have been a stupid thing to do (I mean, $245 for every email sent? How the hell could they track this? Especially if you use clients? How will they know who to send checks to? How could they prevent this being abused?).... :) It was stupid, but not worthy of a ban... On Monday, June 3, 2002, at 03:51 AM, Jimmy Fowler wrote: > think that might be a bit rash? > > he didn't insult anybody personally...what's one more bullshit email? > hell, > yahoo.com whores your address out to who knows how many spammers. > > just trying to keep the peace. > > -jim > > > > -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 05:08:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA22550; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 05:07:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 05:07:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 03:56:53 -0700 From: glenn Subject: Re: THIS IS FOR REAL. (Ejection proposal) In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i took it as tongue-in-cheek amusement, like all those letters that start out telling you the good things that will happen if you send out all these copies and then proceed to explain how people died under bizarre circumstances if they didn't: In any case, it is certainly a form of loop and the guy's not making a lifestyle out of it or anything, so...? What if we were to lower the feedback knob down a bit from 11 and let it fade away? on 6/3/02 1:14 AM, Stuart Wyatt at stuart@solostring.com wrote: > It was stupid, but not worthy of a ban... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 06:23:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA26448; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 06:22:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 06:22:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <002d01c20aa1$27a91500$01f8c440@g0wn7> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 06:25:55 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: THIS IS FOR REAL. (Ejection proposal) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I agree. > >It might have been a stupid thing to do (I mean, $245 for every email >sent? How the hell could they track this? Especially if you use clients? >How will they know who to send checks to? How could they prevent this >being abused?).... :) ... and yet, we have a person here who believed it, and this person may actually have access to serious machinery, like automobiles and guns. > >It was stupid, but not worthy of a ban... If this spam were his first-ever post, the listadmin would bump him off without a second thought, and we'd have no complaints about that. It's simple, and it's done every day in thousands of lists worldwide. Does anybody disagree with that assessment of the situation? So the punishment for spamming a list, especially with this sort of spam, is ejection, pure and simple. But I'm not saying that this is what's going to happen in this case. Because on the opposite side of punishment is a combination of mercy and forgiveness, often heaped together under the heading of "slack." Examples of slack in this case: Unlike my normal procedures that I follow with the dozens of pieces of normal spam I get every day, I did NOT report this to his ISP and their upstream provider. I also did NOT report it to the various FTC and other entities that collect examples of chain mail fraud. I gave him that amount of slack, even though HE DELIBERATELY LIED TO ALL OF US twice already within his Subject: header. In the interest of slack, he won't be bumped from his ISP from any action by me, even though that's undoubtedly their policy in such situations. And I imagine he won't be bumped from this list. But we SHOULD rub his nose in it. If he's so incredibly dim that he goes for an ancient (by net standards) chain letter that most people say "Nobody's dumb enough to fall for that!" to, then how do we know that he'll realize he's committed an offense here? --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 09:21:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04575; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:20:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:20:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d901c20b01$02a2ed20$e8f15cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #271 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:17:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <9Gb6hD.A.mGB.oz2-8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #271 May 30, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Steve Roach and vidnaObmana, who made rare concert appearances together at Projektfest and the Gathering. The Featured CD at midnight was "Circles & Artifacts" on the Contemporary Harmonic label. The vinyl show starter was from the LP "Planeten Sit-In" by the Cosmic Jokers on the Ohr label. I played the music of The Ministry of Inside Things who will be performing at the next event in the Soundscapes Concert Series on June 22. Steve Roach and vidnaObmana http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#may The Ministry of Inside Things http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Cosmic Jokers Raumschiff Galaxy Planeten Sit-In (Ohr) Cosmic Jokers Planet of Communication Planeten Sit-In (Ohr) Cosmic Jokers Elektronenzirkus Planeten Sit-In (Ohr) VA [Lascelles] Radio Bristol 258 Slowdesk (Waveform) Brannan Land and Unfamiliar Territory Deep Unknown (brannanlane.com) vidnaObmana Oophoi Ever Changing Horizon Athlit (Hypnos) Ministry of Inside Neutron Flux Live on EMUSIC (Synkronos) Things Zero Ohms and Soundfall Soundfall to the Infinite Brannan Lane (Space for Music) Johnathan Hughs Imatra Trillium (Foundry/Hypnos) 12:00 am Roach & Obmana Circles & Artifacts Circles & Artifacts (Contemporary Harmonic) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Amir Baghiri. The Featured CD at Midnight will be a disc from "The Bluebox Collection" on the Arya label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Paradise" by Robert Schroder on the IC label. I will play the music of the Ministry of Inside Things who will perform at the Soundscapes Concert Series on June 22. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 09:43:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05903; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:42:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:42:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: paulrichard10@attbi.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fw: THIS IS FOR REAL. (THIS IS A LOOP BASED MUSIC LIST!) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 13:41:09 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 29 2002) Message-Id: <20020603134110.WNMX11659.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@rwcrwbc57> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey! I just got my $245.00! Now I can be the newly discounted POD! > IMO, the email was sent to get "credit" for all of us receiving the email. > > Gee, thanks for thinking of me! > > M... > > > At 01:58 PM 6/2/02 -0700, you wrote: > >Regardless of whether or not this was real, why the hell would you think > >that the Looper's Delight list would be a place to confirm it? I'm > >going to go out on a limb here and say, don't be such an idiot. This is > >a forum solely for the discussion of making loop based music. Before > >you post, think, "Gee, is this something that could in any way > >contribute to the list's understanding of making music. Loop based > >music?" If the answer is no, write out your email and then hit that > >little "X" button in the upper right hand of the email window. (Left if > >your on a Macintosh) and DON'T click "send message" if it asks you. > >Click "delete" or "Cancel" depending on what email client you're using. > >Then, hit yourself in the head with a hammer, possibly knocking some > >sense into yourself, or taking your self out of the gene pool. > > > >I will now apologize in advance for this cranky flame ridden email, but > >I spend way too much time each day dealing with spam, virus sent emails, > >and dealing with people who make my life harder because they couldn't be > >bothered to think. On another list, you'd be kicked off by the > >moderator for sending such junk. Here, I just insult you. Oh, and by > >the way, before any of you send a retort, I don't care what you think, > >I'm right. > > > >This email is real, though you won't hear about it on the news. > > > >Mark Sottilaro > > > >On Sunday, June 2, 2002, at 12:51 PM, JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net wrote: > > > >>> its bullshit. > >> > >> ...needless to say... > >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 10:55:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09748; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:54:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:54:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Brother Sean" To: Subject: Mackie 1604-VLZPRO---for sale Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:53:43 -0500 Message-ID: <002901c20b0e$751fef30$5610d0cf@GEORGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01C20AE4.8C49E730" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8CR8eC.A.IYC.YM4-8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C20AE4.8C49E730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Want to let everyone on the list know before I throw this on e-bay: Mackie 1604-VLZPRO for sale w/ RoboPod accessory Unit is about three years old and in good condition, Only noticeable blemish is where the light attaches to the board. The light got bumped (at the base) once which caused the metal casing around the light fixture to bend a small amount. Everything works perfectly though. Email me off the list if you are interested, thanks! Kevin McPeak info@brothersean.com ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C20AE4.8C49E730 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Want to let everyone on the list know before I throw = this on e-bay:

 

Mackie 1604-VLZPRO for sale w/ RoboPod = accessory

 

Unit is about three years old and in good = condition,

Only noticeable blemish is where the light attaches = to the board.

The light got bumped (at the base) once which caused = the metal casing around

the light fixture to bend a small amount. Everything works perfectly = though.

 

Email me off the list if you are interested, = thanks!

 

Kevin McPeak

info@brothersean.com

 

------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C20AE4.8C49E730-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 11:35:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12439; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:33:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:33:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQLdbvuofFfcgcuY9PuYcLgkWNLIAIVAIY3aqGNdX3qk+spV01uJhm/xjUF From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 08:33:09 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fw: THIS IS FOR REAL. (THIS IS A LOOP BASED MUSIC LIST!) Message-ID: <16579-3CFB8C35-4671@storefull-2357.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Mark Sottilaro 's message of Sun, 2 Jun 2002 13:58:02 -0700 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com First off, I enjoyed reading Mark Sottilaro's sarcastic yet constructive critique. great way to get the point accross. But as for "just john" I dont know what is worse, my stupidity or you investing so much emotion in my stupidity. As for every one else tolerating the spam thread. I am sorry and it won't happen again. Blessings to all, Bill/Las Vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 11:57:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13531; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:56:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:56:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e201c20b17$0cd675d0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: THIS IS FOR REAL. (Ejection proposal) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:55:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't understand why this is such a big issue. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "just john" To: Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:01 AM Subject: THIS IS FOR REAL. (Ejection proposal) > >Check this out, someone let me know if this is for real. I dont have > >micro soft. Scroll way down. Bill/Las Vegas > > > What's the procedure for bringing to the floor the proposal that "Bill/Las > Vegas" be permanently ejected from the list? > > --- > * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 12:40:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16193; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:35:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:35:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01bd01c20b0a$64aaf860$e8f15cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Monthly Top 20 Report - May Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:24:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 report to New Age Voice and CD Revolutions for May, 2002. Shows #267 to #271; 2-May-2002 to 30-May-2002 Reported in non-ranked order. Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@fast.net CONTACT: billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ============================ Boots, Aerts, vd Heijden - Livelines - Groove Brannan Land and vidnaObmana - Deep Unknown - brannanlane.com Chris Short and Vir Unis - The Yellow House - In the Bubble Music Johnathan Hughs - Trillium - Foundry/Hypnos Klangwelt - Weltweit - Spheric Music Mark Jenkins - Sequencer Loops - AMP Oophoi - Athlit - Hypnos Ricochet Musos - Okefenokee Dreams 2001 - Neu Harmony/Quantum Robert Carty - Light Dreaming - Deep Sky Music Robert Rich and Ian Boddy - Outpost - DiN Ron Boots - Liquid Structures in Solid Form - Groove Rudy Adrian and Nick Prosser - Concerts in New Zealand - Quantum Steve Roach and vidnaObmana - Circles & Artifacts - Contemporary Harmonic Steve Roach and vidnaObmana - InnerZone - Projekt Steve Roach and vidnaObmana - Live Archive - Groove Steve Roach and vidnaObmana - Well of Souls - Projekt Tom Heasley - On the Sensastions of Tone - Innova Various Artists - First Decade - Manikin Various Artists - Slowdesk - Waveform Zero Ohms and Brannan Lane - Soundfall to the Infinite - Space for Music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 12:57:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17469; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:56:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:56:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CC99@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Mark Isham looping in L.A. Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:56:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C20B1F.915A6F70" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C20B1F.915A6F70 Content-Type: text/plain Stig, is that g.e.stinson of shadowfax fame? ** sho' nuff. he's doing something a little different these days. stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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Stig, is that g.e.stinson of shadowfax fame?

** sho' nuff. he's doing something a little different these days.

stig



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C20B1F.915A6F70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 13:41:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21450; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 13:40:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 13:40:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Eric Zang" To: Subject: Korg DL8000r delay for sale Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:40:06 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200206031640.MAA16476@hemlock.violacea.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Korg DL8000r (loop capable) 5/10 sec delay for sale $200 http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/korgDL8000R/korgDL8000R.html Also: Tech 21 Sansamp Acoustic DI $100 MOTU Pocket Express external midi interface 2x2 (midi outs A&B are doubled for a total of 4 out jacks. PC (parallel) or MAC (looks like a PS2 plug) $30 Paypal is fine. Phoenix, Arizona www.ericzang.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 14:08:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24359; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:07:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:07:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CFBB032.DE81D572@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 11:06:45 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: THIS IS FOR REAL. (Ejection proposal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think if there were pre defined rules on this list, and one of the rules was broken, then you'd have a case, but as it is, we have no such rules, and that maybe a good thing. However, if you really don't like what a list member contributes, you can always set up an email filter to filter that address out. Mark just john wrote: > >Check this out, someone let me know if this is for real. I dont have > >micro soft. Scroll way down. Bill/Las Vegas > > What's the procedure for bringing to the floor the proposal that "Bill/Las > Vegas" be permanently ejected from the list? > > --- > * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 14:58:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26969; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:56:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:56:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020603110103.02767c88@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 11:57:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: THIS IS FOR REAL. (Ejection proposal) In-Reply-To: References: <002d01c20aa1$27a91500$01f8c440@g0wn7> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:25 AM 6/3/2002, just john wrote: >If this spam were his first-ever post, the listadmin would bump him off >without a second thought, no I wouldn't. Where did you get that idea? I might make some sarcastic or humiliating remark, but Mark does an excellent job of that so I don't need to bother anymore. >and we'd have no complaints about that. It's >simple, and it's done every day in thousands of lists worldwide. depends on the list. >Does anybody disagree with that assessment of the situation? Oh! oh! Me! I do! >So the punishment for spamming a list, especially with this sort of spam, >is ejection, pure and simple. No it isn't. Such policies are determined by the owner of the list, who in this case is me. Please don't assume to know my policies if you are not even going to bother to ask. You've even been on the list for a while, so I think you would know better. I've never made any such rule. I've also never had to kick anybody off this list, in the entire 5.5 year history of it. In fact, I refuse to do that. Do you know why this works? It's not dumb luck. I've always insisted that the community is in charge of itself, and that I won't be the dictator. Everybody holds equal responsibility for the character of the list, not one person. If somebody does something "wrong", the others can point that out and help that person to be "right". If somebody "misbehaves", the others must convince that person to change behavior. This community approach works. It's your community, and it's up to all of you *and* each one of you whether the community is good or bad. So far, you all seem to have done a pretty good job. >Examples of slack in this case: Unlike my normal procedures that I follow >with the dozens of pieces of normal spam I get every day, I did NOT report >this to his ISP and their upstream provider. I also did NOT report it to >the various FTC and other entities that collect examples of chain mail >fraud. Do you seriously think the FTC or anybody working at an ISP is going to care if some idiot forwards a chain letter? Your world sounds really fascinating, I would like to visit some time. >I gave him that amount of slack, even though HE DELIBERATELY LIED TO ALL OF >US twice already within his Subject: header. you're almost as funny as Mark, except Mark was trying to be funny. >In the interest of slack, he won't be bumped from his ISP from any action >by me, even though that's undoubtedly their policy in such situations. And >I imagine he won't be bumped from this list. that's correct. >But we SHOULD rub his nose in it. and your's as well. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 14:59:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27139; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:57:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:57:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: paulrichard10@attbi.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: THIS IS FOR REAL. (Ejection proposal) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 18:56:49 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 29 2002) Message-Id: <20020603185651.BZTJ29266.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@rwcrwbc58> Resent-Message-ID: <3iuMNC.A.knG.Sw7-8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com << What's the procedure for bringing to the floor the proposal that "Bill/Las Vegas" be permanently ejected from the list? >> Smear Orange Marmalade over ones genitals and scream 'woo woo woo' as loud as you can! > >Check this out, someone let me know if this is for real. I dont have > >micro soft. Scroll way down. Bill/Las Vegas > > > What's the procedure for bringing to the floor the proposal that "Bill/Las > Vegas" be permanently ejected from the list? > > --- > * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 15:20:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29418; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:17:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:17:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020603110103.02767c88@loopers-delight.com> References: <002d01c20aa1$27a91500$01f8c440@g0wn7> <5.1.0.14.2.20020603110103.02767c88@loopers-delight.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:16:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: License plate sighting Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, so I'm driving to work today which for me means crossing 40th on San Pablo in Emeryville, CA. There's this big auto glass shop there called MAZ. I know them pretty well since I carry my studio around in my car often enough that I'm a regular auto glass customer. Anyway, there's a white pickup in the lot with a camper shell, and the license plate reads LOOPERS. So fess up, who is it? I know I'm not alone in this neighborhood... -Alex S. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 15:21:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29638; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:19:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:19:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: XoxDaTeasexoX@aol.com Message-ID: <11c.120d192d.2a2d1b18@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:18:48 EDT Subject: Re: License plate sighting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11c.120d192d.2a2d1b18_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_11c.120d192d.2a2d1b18_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not me but thats freaky ! :o) --part1_11c.120d192d.2a2d1b18_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not me but thats freaky ! :o) --part1_11c.120d192d.2a2d1b18_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 15:34:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30660; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:32:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:32:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent: 3 Jun 2002 19:31:06 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "timothy crowe" Subject: Re: License plate sighting X-Sent-From: seemso@directvinternet.com Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 12:31:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.8-8 Sender: seemso@directvinternet.com Message-Id: <20020603123106.18268.h001.c007.wm@mail.directvinternet.com.criticalpath.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com that too is my neighborhood but they're not my plates. tim Alex Stahl wrote > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Message-Id: > From: Alex Stahl > Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:17:53 -0400 > X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20072 > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:16:47 -0700 > Received: (cpmta 17741 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2002 12:18:58 -0700 > Received: from 207.228.238.9 (HELO hemlock.violacea.com) > by smtp.c007.snv.cp.net (209.228.33.245) with SMTP; 3 Jun 2002 12:18:58 -0700 > Received: (from looper@localhost) > by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29418; > Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:17:53 -0400 > X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Message-Id: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > X-Received: 3 Jun 2002 19:18:58 GMT > In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020603110103.02767c88@loopers-delight.com> > Subject: License plate sighting > References: > <002d01c20aa1$27a91500$01f8c440@g0wn7> > <5.1.0.14.2.20020603110103.02767c88@loopers-delight.com> > Precedence: list > Delivered-To: directvinternet.com%seemso@directvinternet.com > Return-Path: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Old-Return-Path: > > OK, so I'm driving to work today which for me means crossing 40th on > San Pablo in Emeryville, CA. There's this big auto glass shop there > called MAZ. I know them pretty well since I carry my studio around in > my car often enough that I'm a regular auto glass customer. Anyway, > there's a white pickup in the lot with a camper shell, and the > license plate reads LOOPERS. > > So fess up, who is it? I know I'm not alone in this neighborhood... > > -Alex S. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 15:59:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32195; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:58:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:58:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Brother Sean" To: Subject: Looper Moving! Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:57:40 -0500 Message-ID: <004101c20b38$eae8e1c0$5610d0cf@GEORGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0042_01C20B0F.0212D9C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C20B0F.0212D9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After being on this list now for around 8 months I have to say I'm quite jealous of you California Loopers. Having LoopStock and all I just can't resist anymore I feel compelled to move closer to the action. Currently I'm located in Chicago, IL. I'm considering moving near the bay area but very concerned about the cost of living. (Chicago isn't so inexpensive either but I have heard frightening things about San Francisco) I'm a freelance web developer and money is tight right now. Can any of you locals suggest any small towns within 50 - 100 miles of San Francisco that have a reasonable cost of living. (Reasonable meaning being able to buy a house for under $150,000) I'm sorry if my question is rather vague but I figure house cost is a good place to start. I don't mind living somewhat in the middle of nowhere either. Thanks a bunch! Kevin McPeak info@brothersean.com ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C20B0F.0212D9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

After being on this list now for around 8 months I = have to say I’m quite jealous of you California Loopers.

Having LoopStock and all = I just can’t resist anymore I feel compelled to move closer to the = action.

 

Currently I’m located in = Chicago, = IL= . I’m considering moving near the bay area but very = concerned

about the cost of living. (Chicago isn’t so inexpensive either but I have heard frightening things about = San Francisco)

I’m a freelance web developer and money is = tight right now.

 

Can any of you locals suggest any small towns within = 50 – 100 miles of San = Francisco that have a reasonable

cost of living. (Reasonable meaning being able to buy a house for under $150,000) = I’m sorry if my question is rather

vague but I figure house cost is a good place to start. I don’t mind living somewhat = in the middle of nowhere either.

 

Thanks a bunch!

Kevin McPeak

info@brothersean.com<= /span>

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C20B0F.0212D9C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 16:06:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01820; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:05:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:05:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 13:04:13 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: License plate sighting In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <002d01c20aa1$27a91500$01f8c440@g0wn7> <5.1.0.14.2.20020603110103.02767c88@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:16 PM -0700 6/3/02, Alex Stahl wrote: >there's a white pickup in the lot with a camper shell, and the >license plate reads LOOPERS. The California DMV has registered these plates: ALOOPER BLOOPER LOOPER LOOPERS LOOPER1 4LOOPER It costs $5 each to find out who they're registered to. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 16:18:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03082; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:17:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:17:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020603131502.048dde28@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 13:19:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: License plate sighting In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020603110103.02767c88@loopers-delight.com> <002d01c20aa1$27a91500$01f8c440@g0wn7> <5.1.0.14.2.20020603110103.02767c88@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:16 PM 6/3/2002, Alex Stahl wrote: >OK, so I'm driving to work today which for me means crossing 40th on San >Pablo in Emeryville, CA. There's this big auto glass shop there called >MAZ. I know them pretty well since I carry my studio around in my car >often enough that I'm a regular auto glass customer. Anyway, there's a >white pickup in the lot with a camper shell, and the license plate reads >LOOPERS. > >So fess up, who is it? I know I'm not alone in this neighborhood... I'm also a regular MAZ customer, but that wasn't me. there are a lot more possible loopers around here, it could be anybody.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 16:29:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03756; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:28:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:28:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 13:19:27 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Looper Moving! In-reply-to: <004101c20b38$eae8e1c0$5610d0cf@GEORGE> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <004101c20b38$eae8e1c0$5610d0cf@GEORGE> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:57 PM -0500 6/3/02, Brother Sean wrote: >Can any of you locals suggest any small towns within 50 - 100 miles >of San Francisco that have a reasonable cost of living. (Reasonable meaning being able to buy a house for under $150,000) http://www.bayinsider.com/shared/homes/ You may have to raise your top price to $250,000 though. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 16:38:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04322; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:37:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:37:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CFBD36B.9B1EB705@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 13:36:58 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper Moving! References: <004101c20b38$eae8e1c0$5610d0cf@GEORGE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I hate to say it, but that price range is crazy talk in these parts. Houses even in sketchy parts seem to fetch $300k and up. Sorry. Also, the SF area seems to be really bad in the web developer market. I just heard this morning that 4 of my friends were laid off. SF is great for a lot of reasons, but that's why it's so damn expensive to be here. Good luck, Mark Sottilaro Brother Sean wrote: > After being on this list now for around 8 months I have to say Iím > quite jealous of you California Loopers. > > Having LoopStock and all I just canít resist anymore I feel compelled > to move closer to the action. > > Currently Iím located in Chicago, IL. Iím considering moving near the > bay area but very concerned > > about the cost of living. (Chicago isnít so inexpensive either but I > have heard frightening things about San Francisco) > > Iím a freelance web developer and money is tight right now. > > Can any of you locals suggest any small towns within 50 ? 100 miles > of San Francisco that have areasonable > > cost of living. (Reasonable meaning being able to buy a house for > under $150,000) Iím sorry if my question is rather > > vague but I figure house cost is a good place to start. I donít mind > living somewhat in the middle of nowhere either. > > Thanks a bunch! > > Kevin McPeak > > info@brothersean.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 16:39:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04412; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:38:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:38:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020603132017.048e4260@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 13:39:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looper Moving! In-Reply-To: <004101c20b38$eae8e1c0$5610d0cf@GEORGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <_Zhod.A.-DB.fO9-8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hahahaha, you must be joking. according to a recent SF chronicle story, the median home price in the bay area is now the highest ever, despite the economy, at $402,000. That includes all the bad neighborhoods and poor urban areas. You'll have to go more than 100 miles away to own a home for 150K, like perhaps Nevada. Of course, traffic is so bad that commuting from 100 miles away with all the other suburban refugees will take you longer than it takes to fly here from Chicago. And you're a web developer? oh sure, you'll find work easy. you and about 500,000 other recently unemployed dot-commers in the area will be competing for the only available job, but assuming you can hack the competition, you'll get it! Pack your bags and come on out! The weather is great here. kim At 12:57 PM 6/3/2002, Brother Sean wrote: >After being on this list now for around 8 months I have to say I m quite >jealous of you California Loopers. >Having LoopStock and all I just can t resist anymore I feel compelled to >move closer to the action. >Currently I m located in Chicago, IL. I m considering moving near the bay >area but very concerned >about the cost of living. (Chicago isn t so inexpensive either but I have >heard frightening things about San Francisco) I m a freelance web >developer and money is tight right now. > >Can any of you locals suggest any small towns within 50 100 miles of San >Francisco that have a reasonable >cost of living. (Reasonable meaning being able to buy a house for under >$150,000) I m sorry if my question is rather >vague but I figure house cost is a good place to start. I don t mind >living somewhat in the middle of nowhere either. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 16:49:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05614; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:48:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:48:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Brother Sean" To: Subject: RE: Looper Moving! Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:46:54 -0500 Message-ID: <005a01c20b3f$cb88a390$5610d0cf@GEORGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020603132017.048e4260@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the realty check fellows, I still would like to be closer to the action but maybe bay area California has got enough loopers for now. Although it seems as if all of California is pretty crazy expensive. Not to use you guys as my virtual real estate agent or anything but is this high cost of living pretty consistent throughout California. I've only visited San Diego and I felt that while being a suburban jungle it seemed like it had a rather high cost of living as well. Any thoughts from Southern, CA loopers... Again, thanks a lot for your advice! Kevin Brother Sean www.brothersean.com -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper Moving! hahahaha, you must be joking. according to a recent SF chronicle story, the median home price in the bay area is now the highest ever, despite the economy, at $402,000. That includes all the bad neighborhoods and poor urban areas. You'll have to go more than 100 miles away to own a home for 150K, like perhaps Nevada. Of course, traffic is so bad that commuting from 100 miles away with all the other suburban refugees will take you longer than it takes to fly here from Chicago. And you're a web developer? oh sure, you'll find work easy. you and about 500,000 other recently unemployed dot-commers in the area will be competing for the only available job, but assuming you can hack the competition, you'll get it! Pack your bags and come on out! The weather is great here. kim At 12:57 PM 6/3/2002, Brother Sean wrote: >After being on this list now for around 8 months I have to say I m quite >jealous of you California Loopers. >Having LoopStock and all I just can t resist anymore I feel compelled to >move closer to the action. >Currently I m located in Chicago, IL. I m considering moving near the bay >area but very concerned >about the cost of living. (Chicago isn t so inexpensive either but I have >heard frightening things about San Francisco) I m a freelance web >developer and money is tight right now. > >Can any of you locals suggest any small towns within 50 100 miles of San >Francisco that have a reasonable >cost of living. (Reasonable meaning being able to buy a house for under >$150,000) I m sorry if my question is rather >vague but I figure house cost is a good place to start. I don t mind >living somewhat in the middle of nowhere either. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 17:13:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08005; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:11:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:11:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:10:26 EDT Subject: Re: Looper Moving! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kevin, In a message dated 6/3/02 1:38:34 PM, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: >You'll have to go more than 100 miles away to own a home for >150K, like perhaps Nevada. Or try Oregon. Medford is only 361 miles away from SF . . . an easy 5 to 6-hour commute down the interstate. Heh, heh. And houses in my (modest but very nice) neighborhood are only around $125K. Sorry to joke about it. Living in the "white hot center" of things is expensive (especially if you have a family). That's why I fled north from sunny California 5+ years ago. I was actually able to BUY a house here and there's no sales tax! In Santa Barbara, CA (my home territory) on the central coast, the median range house goes for $639K. That's too rich for this native son's blood . . . and then some. I often miss what I consider to be my "real home" . . . and the beach. But hey, CA is still a nice place to visit! My advice would be to stay put and make something happen in your own neck of the woods and then visit other places as often as you can afford. Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 17:16:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08379; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:15:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:15:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:14:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200206031714.AA168362142@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: Looper Moving! X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you're moving just for the looping, I don't know why you think it'd be better in California than it is in Chicago. Chicago has a great avant scene, probably better than San Francisco, it's more than 10 times the size! The job market for developers there is probably better too, since there aren't so many unemployed developers competing for the same slots. Kevin P.S. caveats: I grew up in Chicago, I used to live in San Francisco and I currently live in Seattle, and I'm a software developer too. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 18:09:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12751; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 18:09:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 18:09:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 15:08:16 -0700 From: Si Butler Subject: live funk guitar loops In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000501c20b4b$29b648e0$5a01a8c0@burble.innet> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <9YuQ0C.A.HGD.Tj--8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, First of all hello to everyone. I'm a jazz player and am just starting to get into looping. I'm excited to have stumbled across this list, its seems like there is a lot knowledgeable folks in the group. I've had a scan through the archives and don't seem to be able to find many recommendations for creating funk loops in a live situation. I have a funk trio (guit,bass,drums) and want to be able to set up and loop the guitar grooves live. I have the rc-20 but I think I'll have to modify it to give a click track out for the drummer if everything is to stay in synch (I'll be starting and stopping the loops depending on where we are in the arrangement). I really like the quantize aspect of the rc-20 though. Is this something that could be just as easily achieved with the echoplex? I'd like to be able set up a tempo (preferably by tapping my foot on a pedal) and then have the unit auto-start recording my phase when I start playing and stop recording when I stop playing. This phase would then get quantized to a perfect 1/2 bar length so that I don't have to mess around hitting the stop button at exactly the right moment.. as I mentioned above I would then the unit to generate a click track (that would be continuous, independent of whether the guitar phrase is playing or not) that a drummer could listen to to ensure he remains synched up for the duration of the performance. This ensures that I can stop/start the loop and it will always be in synch with the drummer. Is this a tall order, can I do this with the echoplex and some imagination? Appreciate any insight, -simon- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 18:13:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13133; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 18:12:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 18:12:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Looper Moving! Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:12:21 +0200 Message-ID: <000501c20b4b$bc0397c0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C20B5C.7F8F7500" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004101c20b38$eae8e1c0$5610d0cf@GEORGE> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C20B5C.7F8F7500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Kevin, why don't you move to Munich/Germany. If all works out well, we'll have our own Loopstock shortly...alas, for $150000, you'll perhaps get a decent loo if you're lucky, even given the great exchange rates (from your view, or the view of German car manufacturers...) Cheers, Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs -----Original Message----- From: Brother Sean [mailto:info@brothersean.com] Sent: Montag, 3. Juni 2002 21:58 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looper Moving! After being on this list now for around 8 months I have to say I'm quite jealous of you California Loopers. Having LoopStock and all I just can't resist anymore I feel compelled to move closer to the action. Currently I'm located in Chicago, IL. I'm considering moving near the bay area but very concerned about the cost of living. (Chicago isn't so inexpensive either but I have heard frightening things about San Francisco) I'm a freelance web developer and money is tight right now. Can any of you locals suggest any small towns within 50 - 100 miles of San Francisco that have a reasonable cost of living. (Reasonable meaning being able to buy a house for under $150,000) I'm sorry if my question is rather vague but I figure house cost is a good place to start. I don't mind living somewhat in the middle of nowhere either. Thanks a bunch! Kevin McPeak info@brothersean.com ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C20B5C.7F8F7500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey=20 Kevin,
 
why=20 don't you move to Munich/Germany. If all works out well, we'll have our = own=20 Loopstock shortly...alas, for $150000, you'll perhaps get a decent loo = if you're=20 lucky, even given the great exchange rates (from your view, or the view = of=20 German car manufacturers...)
 
Cheers,
 
       &nbs= p;   =20 Rainer
 
Rainer Straschill
Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - = www.moinlabs.de
digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de
The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs
-----Original Message-----
From: Brother Sean=20 [mailto:info@brothersean.com]
Sent: Montag, 3. Juni 2002=20 21:58
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Looper Moving!

After being on this list = now for=20 around 8 months I have to say I’m quite jealous of you = California Loopers.

Having LoopStock and all I just can’t resist = anymore I feel=20 compelled to move closer to the action.

 

Currently I’m = located in=20 Chicago,=20 IL. I’m=20 considering moving near the bay area but very=20 concerned

about the cost=20 of living. (Chicago isn’t so=20 inexpensive either but I have heard frightening things about=20 San=20 Francisco)

I’m a freelance = web developer and=20 money is tight right now.

 

Can any of you locals = suggest any=20 small towns within 50 – 100 miles of = San=20 Francisco that have a reasonable

cost of=20 living. (Reasonable meaning being able to buy a house for under = $150,000) I’m=20 sorry if my question is rather

vague but I=20 figure house cost is a good place to start. I don’t mind living = somewhat in=20 the middle of nowhere either.

 

Thanks a=20 bunch!

Kevin=20 McPeak

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= ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C20B5C.7F8F7500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 18:17:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13537; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 18:16:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 18:16:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CFBEA01.FD1D04CB@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 15:13:21 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper Moving! References: <004101c20b38$eae8e1c0$5610d0cf@GEORGE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo Kevin, > After being on this list now for around 8 months I have to say I’m quite jealous of you California > Loopers. > Having LoopStock and all I just can’t resist anymore I feel compelled to move closer to the action. Well, let me give you my own perspective on the "action," so to speak, from my vantage point in Los Angeles: Loopstock had an amazing sense of community, and it was pretty remarkable to see how many different loop-based artists are located reasonably close to the central Californian coast. But, although you could say there's a "scene" here, it's one of an extremely fragmentary nature. What I mean by that is that I see people like Rick Walker, Hans Lindauer, Kim Flint, Max Valentino, or Richard Zvonar once every few months (if even that), and that's on account of going well out of my way to do so. It's a great pleasure to be able to interact with these and other Californian loopers, but it's not easy logistically or financially. Closer to home, Los Angeles is infamous for being fragmentary and disconnected, so it's no surprise that cultivating a sense of looping community here has been difficult. Occasionally Rick Walker will ask me about the LA Looping Scene, and I have to reply that there IS no LA Looping Scene, at least as far as I'm aware. The last two solo looping gigs I played drew one and zero people, respectively. That's not a complaint; I'd like to see LA list members that do play out, like Stig and Andrew Pask, more often than I do (I've never seen Andrew, as a matter of fact, though I'd very much like to), but seeing a gig "here in town" can frequently mean battling freeway traffic for a half hour of more. So I understand that schedules don't often work out for people. But this sort of thing does tend to cast a sobering light on the notion of "looping scenes" and their impact on one's day-to-day existence. I'm not qualified to speak authoritatively about the Bay Area scene from an insider's point of view. I do know that Rick Walker has been endless in his enthusiasm and drive to cultivate a sense of looping awareness and community, and he deserves an immense amount of credit for helping to solidify a notion of a California looping "scene" of any sort. Hans Lindauer has also done incredible work, and has been utterly selfless in spending time and energy trying to facilitate things for us on the West Coast. Max Valentino and I did some shows together in San Luis Obispo at the end of March, and Hans was unbelievably together and supportive on all fronts. But frankly, gigs aren't THAT frequent. If you check the list archive for gig announcements in the last year of two, I think you'll find that there just aren't that many performances happening in California. And if they ARE happening, people aren't publicizing them very much, which gets back to the issue of how fragmentary the "scene" here actually is. It's not like the New York bebop scene in the 1940's, or the CBGB's punk scene in the '70s, or the British IDM scene in the '90s. I'm not exaggerating when I say that you could probably fly out to every major (and even many of the non-major) California loop gig that's been held in the last year and be about as plugged into "the scene" as if you were living here full time. And you'd probably also be in better shape financially. This doesn't mean that there isn't a very cool and tangible sense of being involved in something here in California. It doesn't mean that I don't very much appreciate being within reasonable geographic distance of all the wonderfull people I've mentioned (and many I haven't, like Sean Echevarria, Cliff Novey, Gary Lehman, Jon Wagner, Bill Walker, Tom Heasley, Mark Sottillaro, and the folks I'm sure I'll remember just as soon as I send this email off... apologies to you deserving folks I'm forgetting right this second). What it DOES mean is that, in my opinion, the scene here is very fragmentary, sporadic in its convergence, and only just starting to emerge as something with tangible structure and order to it, thanks to the efforts of a few people who have been working away at it for years. In other words, if you move out to California for the "looping scene," I think you're going to spend a hell of a lot of time waiting around for a handful of gigs to happen. Anyway, this is enough out of me. I'd be curious to hear other people's take on this as well... Take care, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 18:38:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14566; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 18:38:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 18:38:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 15:33:09 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Looper Moving! In-reply-to: <3CFBEA01.FD1D04CB@altruistmusic.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <004101c20b38$eae8e1c0$5610d0cf@GEORGE> <3CFBEA01.FD1D04CB@altruistmusic.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:13 PM -0700 6/3/02, Andre LaFosse wrote: >Well, let me give you my own perspective on the "action," so to speak, >from my vantage point in Los Angeles: > >Los Angeles is infamous for being fragmentary and disconnected, so >it's no surprise that cultivating a sense of looping community here >has been difficult...the scene here is very fragmentary, sporadic in >its convergence, and only just starting to emerge as something with >tangible structure and order to it, thanks to the efforts of a few >people who have been working away at it for years. I've lived in Los Angeles since 1986, and for the first fourteen years of that I felt completely disconnected from any sort of scene. That doesn't mean that there was none, just that it took a great deal of effort to find whatever there might have been and I didn't bother. Then two years ago, as part of some personal creative renewal, I joined the newly formed LA chapter of American Composers Forum. I started doing volunteer work for the Forum and made some new friends who were also keen on building a creative community. It worked out pretty well, and now we have a viable organization with regular get-togethers, Composer Salons, professional development workshops, etc. We even have a performance calendar (both on paper and on the Web) so there's a central information source for performance information. A group of us are in the midst of organizing some technology programs. Check us out at: -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 19:05:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17028; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:04:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:04:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: The Scene--and Making It (San Diego) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:04:30 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <9_u-OC.A.iJE.hX_-8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My 2 cents-- No matter where you live, it's a necessity to "make the scene", that is, find out where folks of similar ilk congregate and hang out there as much as possible. I don't do that now, but I made the effort while in LA for 8 months, and it was worthwhile--although I was perhaps too vocal in my criticism of some of the acts I caught. I'm in San Diego now, and it is pricey here too--not as much as SF or LA perhaps--and there is an active live music scene here, again possibly not as vital as the other California metropoli-- I haven't heard from any other loopers in this area, nor seen any gigs advertised--lots of disco stuff--folks love to party, don't they?. How about it, San Diego loopers--where are ya? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 19:15:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17877; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:14:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:14:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CFBF714.71A646CA@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 19:09:08 -0400 From: Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loopers do it repeatedly (was Re: Fw: THIS IS FOR REAL. (THIS IS A LOOP BASED MUSIC LIST!) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The funniest thing about this thread (besides Mr. Sottilaro) is that it triggered the following serious thought: do loopers know how to quit? This has been a frustration for me lately. There are the obvious two choices: repeat and fade, and abrupt stop (usually during a rest). Also, there's the obvious variation of de-evolution -- I.E., if you've built up a loop with layers, deconstruct it back down by removing layers, but when you're down to the last loop, be it the one you started with, or a different one, you still have to make one of the two above choices. I've been thinking of trying to "morph" from a loop to live playing, but have not been successful in an accurate resemblance of the loop, so I usually go for a completely different sound, but maybe playing the same riff. Any other ideas? Favourite license plate (un-loop-related): PLAN A (and then written on the bumper: "HEAD") -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 19:16:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18047; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:15:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:15:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CFBFA82.7233AACB@bagend.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 18:23:46 -0500 From: Henry Heine X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Jon Brion References: <004101c20b38$eae8e1c0$5610d0cf@GEORGE> <3CFBEA01.FD1D04CB@altruistmusic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Loopers, Any LA folks know whether Jon Brion still has the steady Friday night gig at Largo in Hollywood? I catch this show every time I visit Los Angeles, 2 or 3 times a year. While he is not explicitly avant garde, his looping chops are impressive. Hell, all his chops are impressive, drums, bass, guitar, keys, vibes, I bet he could play just about any instrument with maybe a few minutes practice. Oh, he's a great singer and writer, too. ouch! Well, does anyone know what he uses to loop? The stage is crammed with instruments, and gizmos and stomp boxes. If you haven't seen him, check him out. Henry Heine From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 19:29:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19038; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:29:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:29:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <113.126c1029.2a2d5593@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:28:19 EDT Subject: Re: THIS IS FOR REAL. (Ejection proposal) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_113.126c1029.2a2d5593_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10514 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_113.126c1029.2a2d5593_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Banish all "evil doers"...just kidding :) Warm Regards, JP/AKASH "The World's Most Erotic Band" http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic --part1_113.126c1029.2a2d5593_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Banish all "evil doers"...just kidding :)

Warm Regards,
JP/AKASH
"The World's Most Erotic Band"
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic











--part1_113.126c1029.2a2d5593_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 19:35:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19088; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:29:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:29:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3CFBF714.71A646CA@patriot.net> References: Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:33:54 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Loopers do it repeatedly (was Re: Fw: THIS IS FOR REAL. (THIS IS A LOOP BASED MUSIC LIST!) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The funniest thing about this thread (besides Mr. Sottilaro) >is that it triggered the following serious thought: >do loopers know how to quit? > >This has been a frustration for me lately. There are the >obvious two choices: repeat and fade, and abrupt stop >(usually during a rest). Also, there's the obvious variation >of de-evolution -- I.E., if you've built up a loop with layers, >deconstruct it back down by removing layers, but when you're >down to the last loop, be it the one you started with, or a >different one, you still have to make one of the two above >choices. I've been thinking of trying to "morph" from a loop >to live playing, but have not been successful in an accurate >resemblance of the loop, so I usually go for a completely >different sound, but maybe playing the same riff. Any other >ideas? (There's the ever-popular train wreck, ie: something breaks. Every reel of tape I have has stuff of mine stopping accidently at the end of the tape, as well as batteries dying, desktops freezing and cables getting tripped over. I've sometimes fantasized about basing a concert on this --- "That was the sound of my laptop crashing. For the next few minutes while it reboots, allow me to treat you to variations on a Kaoss Pad ...") But yes, your talk of morphing "from a loop to live playing" strikes a chord cuz I've often thought of trying just the opposite direction. IE: Doing something and sampling it, and then crossfading from the performance to the looped sample. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 19:56:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20772; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:55:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:55:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c20bfa$94531e80$edb55e18@kc.rr.com> From: "savior-onasis" To: Subject: hi Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:03:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C20BFA.940859E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C20BFA.940859E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I'm new to the list, though, I've lurked around the LD site for a = long time. I just added an RC-20 to my rig which includes a 'Rang and a few = processors. =20 I was wondering if anyone here knows where I can find a Lovetone Ring = Stinger. I've looked in the obvious places but it appears they are = becoming difficult to find. thanks ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C20BFA.940859E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi I'm new to the list, though, I've = lurked around=20 the LD site for a long time.
 
I just added an RC-20 to my rig which = includes a=20 'Rang and a few processors. 
 
I was wondering if anyone here knows = where I can=20 find a Lovetone Ring Stinger.  I've looked in the obvious places = but it=20 appears they are becoming difficult to find.
 
thanks
 
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C20BFA.940859E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 19:59:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21232; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:58:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:58:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013f01c20b5a$8c2e4540$4161f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200206032039.QAA04817@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: 1st EMERYVILLE LOOPING FESTIVAL? Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:58:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Reading the license plate thread I notice that Alex, Timothy, Kim and the, as yet unamed, mystery license plate looper all live in or near Emeryville. Why hasn't there been an EMERYVILLE LOOPING FESTIVAL? I'd come be a guest artist, gratis, if you guys threw such a thing............. :-) yours, Rick Walker (that obnoxious looping festival fella) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 20:12:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23335; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:11:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:11:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 17:09:28 -0800 Subject: Re: 1st EMERYVILLE LOOPING FESTIVAL? From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <013f01c20b5a$8c2e4540$4161f93f@global> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sounds good-i would love to make a pilgrimage across the river(bay)... @ stanitarium in sf. > > Reading the license plate thread I notice that Alex, Timothy, Kim and the, > as yet unamed, > mystery license plate looper all live in or near Emeryville. > > Why hasn't there been an EMERYVILLE LOOPING FESTIVAL? > > I'd come be a guest artist, gratis, if you guys threw such a > thing............. :-) > > > yours, Rick Walker (that obnoxious looping festival fella) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 20:14:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23753; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:13:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:13:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 17:11:53 -0800 Subject: Re: hi From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c20bfa$94531e80$edb55e18@kc.rr.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3105969113_95762_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3105969113_95762_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit i got one and its the wackiest box in the world-hard to use tho'. i'd probably let it go fer the correct loot... s H I was wondering if anyone here knows where I can find a Lovetone Ring Stinger. I've looked in the obvious places but it appears they are becoming difficult to find. thanks --MS_Mac_OE_3105969113_95762_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: hi i got one and its the wackiest box in the world-hard to use tho'.
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--MS_Mac_OE_3105969113_95762_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 20:14:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23710; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:13:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:13:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020603170639.01fbddd8@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: the truth is out there Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 17:09:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: 1st EMERYVILLE LOOPING FESTIVAL? In-Reply-To: <013f01c20b5a$8c2e4540$4161f93f@global> References: <200206032039.QAA04817@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim only plays under duress (applied by either Matthias and/or Andre). At 04:58 PM 2002/06/03 -0700, Rick wrote: >Reading the license plate thread I notice that Alex, Timothy, Kim and the, >as yet unamed, >mystery license plate looper all live in or near Emeryville. > >Why hasn't there been an EMERYVILLE LOOPING FESTIVAL? > >I'd come be a guest artist, gratis, if you guys threw such a >thing............. :-) > > >yours, Rick Walker (that obnoxious looping festival fella) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 20:16:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24093; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:15:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:15:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CFC05DA.99500EF8@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 17:12:10 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper Moving! - scenes, genres, and distinctions References: <004101c20b38$eae8e1c0$5610d0cf@GEORGE> <3CFBEA01.FD1D04CB@altruistmusic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there Richard, Thanks for the information regarding the ACF; I looked at the site and it's definitely an intriguing orgnanization. I certainly concur that there are a lot of very worthwhile and viable "scenes" within LA, and that it often takes a bit of effort to seek them out. At the same time, though, I can't help but feel that it doesn't really address the idea (such as it is) of an LA "looping scene," you know? That, to me, is the fundamental issue of the thread - a guy thinking about moving out here to be part of the "big California loop scene," and the underlying question of, "Well, how much of a loop scene is there, really?" So the ACF, to me, doesn't really deal with the issue of a "looping scene" as such, because it's based (as far as I can tell) around areas of musical style and genre (in a general sense) rather than areas of musical technique. What if someone wants to present a loop based approach that's totally improvised and doesn't involve composition? What if it owes more to dance and DJ culture than the academic or "new music" world? What if someone's using amazing Repeater technique in a live rock band? The ACF doesn't seem to offer an outlet for these sorts of issues. And I also think this ultimately gets back to the age old issue of "Is looping a style of music, or is it a technique that crosses different styles?" For instance, just a few minutes ago a fellow posted a question about Jon Brion to the list, and felt the need to qualify his inquiry by saying "While he is not explicitly avant garde, his looping chops are impressive." That says a lot right there, you know? The fact that people might tend to equate looping with any particular genre or style of music is potentially problematic, I think. (And probably a huge obstacle towards truly creating a scene that can cross stylstic boundaries...) Anyway, this has been on my mind quite a bit, of late... Best wishes, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com Richard Zvonar wrote: > > At 3:13 PM -0700 6/3/02, Andre LaFosse wrote: > > >Well, let me give you my own perspective on the "action," so to speak, > >from my vantage point in Los Angeles: > > > >Los Angeles is infamous for being fragmentary and disconnected, so > >it's no surprise that cultivating a sense of looping community here > >has been difficult...the scene here is very fragmentary, sporadic in > >its convergence, and only just starting to emerge as something with > >tangible structure and order to it, thanks to the efforts of a few > >people who have been working away at it for years. > > I've lived in Los Angeles since 1986, and for the first fourteen > years of that I felt completely disconnected from any sort of scene. > That doesn't mean that there was none, just that it took a great deal > of effort to find whatever there might have been and I didn't bother. > Then two years ago, as part of some personal creative renewal, I > joined the newly formed LA chapter of American Composers Forum. I > started doing volunteer work for the Forum and made some new friends > who were also keen on building a creative community. It worked out > pretty well, and now we have a viable organization with regular > get-togethers, Composer Salons, professional development workshops, > etc. We even have a performance calendar (both on paper and on the > Web) so there's a central information source for performance > information. A group of us are in the midst of organizing some > technology programs. > > Check us out at: > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 20:24:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24733; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:23:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:23:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: 1st EMERYVILLE LOOPING FESTIVAL? Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:23:07 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <013f01c20b5a$8c2e4540$4161f93f@global> Resent-Message-ID: <-u6ldB.A.GCG.ShA_8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "I know, let's put on a show!". Gary (the Mickey Rooney look alike) -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL [mailto:GLOBAL@cruzio.com] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 1st EMERYVILLE LOOPING FESTIVAL? Reading the license plate thread I notice that Alex, Timothy, Kim and the, as yet unamed, mystery license plate looper all live in or near Emeryville. Why hasn't there been an EMERYVILLE LOOPING FESTIVAL? I'd come be a guest artist, gratis, if you guys threw such a thing............. :-) yours, Rick Walker (that obnoxious looping festival fella) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 20:31:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25366; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:30:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:30:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c20bff$8acc3540$edb55e18@kc.rr.com> From: "savior-onasis" To: References: Subject: Re: hi Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:39:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C20BFF.8A90B2E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C20BFF.8A90B2E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: hiHi Stan, how correct is correct? ;-) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stan Card=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 1:11 AM Subject: Re: hi i got one and its the wackiest box in the world-hard to use tho'. i'd probably let it go fer the correct loot... s H=20 I was wondering if anyone here knows where I can find a Lovetone = Ring Stinger. I've looked in the obvious places but it appears they are = becoming difficult to find. thanks ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C20BFF.8A90B2E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: hi
Hi Stan, how correct is correct? = ;-)
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stan Card
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 = 1:11=20 AM
Subject: Re: hi

i got one and its the wackiest box in the world-hard to = use=20 tho'.
i'd probably let it go fer the correct loot...
s

H =
I was wondering if anyone here knows = where I can=20 find a Lovetone Ring Stinger.  I've looked in the obvious = places but it=20 appears they are becoming difficult to = find.

thanks



------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C20BFF.8A90B2E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 20:33:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25836; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:32:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:32:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 20:32:05 -0500 Subject: Re: Looper Moving! - scenes, genres, and distinctions Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com glad all this got brought up. here's why: i'm 22, i graduate college (degree: english) in about 2 months and am 99% sure i'll be in california in january. now, from everything i've read, i'd love to be NEAR san francisco but not IN the city. i've read that berkeley, oakland, etc. aren't significantly cheaper (i'll be renting...obviously). so what about places like petaluma and places that may be no more than 2 hours away? i would imagine that the prices would drop by the time your an hour out. oh, i use my looping exclusively in a rock band. just like having 5 of myself, only we have to take turns. any and all advice is welcome! thanks. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 20:44:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26376; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:43:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:43:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Looper Moving! But to Where??? Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:43:29 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <6OGe0C.A.4bG.Z0A_8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Max Valentino loves Tehachapi--close to LA and affordable. You can live on the outskirts of San Diego (60-80 miles) for reasonable coin. I'm in Poway (north of Mira Mesa, where Tom Cruise is Top Gun) and it's pricey little suburb--somehow our 30 year old house is now worth nearly $300K! I have this feeling that prices are about to come down, statewide--but it's always speculation . . . If I had my choices, I would think SANTA CRUZ would be the place--kindred spirits!!! (and venues--and I think busking!) Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 20:54:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27153; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:53:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:53:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c20c02$c12524a0$edb55e18@kc.rr.com> From: "savior-onasis" To: Subject: anyone in or near Kansas City? Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 20:02:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C20C02.C0E9A240" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C20C02.C0E9A240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just wondering if there were any people on the list from the Kansas City = area. =20 mark ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C20C02.C0E9A240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just wondering if there were any people = on the list=20 from the Kansas City area. 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C20C02.C0E9A240-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 21:09:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29323; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 21:07:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 21:07:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 18:05:21 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Looper Moving! - scenes, genres, and distinctions In-reply-to: <3CFC05DA.99500EF8@altruistmusic.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <004101c20b38$eae8e1c0$5610d0cf@GEORGE> <3CFBEA01.FD1D04CB@altruistmusic.com> <3CFC05DA.99500EF8@altruistmusic.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:12 PM -0700 6/3/02, Andre LaFosse wrote: >Thanks for the information regarding the ACF; I looked at the site >and it's definitely an intriguing orgnanization...At the same time, >though, I can't help but feel that it doesn't really address the >idea (such as it is) of an LA "looping scene," you know? I brought up ACF not as a specific example of a "looping scene" but as an example of a non-pop "music scene" in Los Angeles. The point I was trying to make is that you have to create your own scene by working with whatever tools come to hand. ACF works for me and it's an inclusive enough organization that it might also benefit other members of this group. >That, to me, is the fundamental issue of the thread - a guy thinking >about moving out here to be part of the "big California loop scene," and >the underlying question of, "Well, how much of a loop scene is there, really?" And I thought the thread had moved past that initial discussion into one about the nature of the West Coast scene and some analysis of what you have to do to build a community. >areas of musical style and genre (in a general sense) rather than areas of >musical technique. If technique is your main concern then I can see why ACF wouldn't appeal to you. Our community is musically pluralistic and our techniques are varied. Some people are doing improvisational electroacoustic music and some people are writing sacred choral music. It's all interesting to me >What if someone wants to present a loop based approach that's >totally improvised and doesn't involve composition? Not an issue. I'm not sure I think in terms of "total improvisation" - for me it's more like "real-time composition." >What if it owes more to dance and DJ culture than the academic or "new >music" world? Even less of an issue. We're actively interested in bringing dance and DJ practitioners into our group. >What if someone's using amazing Repeater technique in a live rock band? Great! >The ACF doesn't seem to offer an outlet for these sorts of issues. Does that mean our Web site is too fancy? >the age old issue of "Is looping a style of music, or is it a >technique that crosses different styles?" "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn." It's both, depending on who is doing it and a what moment he/she is doing it. For instance, I don't particularly think of myself as "a looper" but I use looping tools and techniques in my music. I have never aspired to the technical prowess that you and some other loopers have achieved, but I sure dig what you are able to do on BOTH a technical and a musical level. >The fact that people might tend to equate looping with any particular >genre or style of music is potentially problematic Yes. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 21:26:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30288; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 21:24:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 21:24:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CFC169D.76DD240F@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 18:23:41 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper Moving! References: <004101c20b38$eae8e1c0$5610d0cf@GEORGE> <3CFBEA01.FD1D04CB@altruistmusic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I see your point, Andre, but I also think that bigger cities seem to harbor populations that are more interested in music that's beyond the usual Mustang Sally cover. While I agree, that not much "scene" exists among loopers, I think it might be more our fault than a geographical issue. I started looping when my pop band disintegrated, after our drummer left. I felt I had spent a lot of time and energy forging a relationship with the other band members, and it hit a brick wall because the drummer got offered a paying gig in a country band. I never wanted to be in that situation again. I first picked up a workstation style keyboard, and then a JamMan quickly followed. I still play with other people, when I can, but I don't relay on having other musicians around to play. Case in point: Our stick player is swamped with getting a grant proposal together. We're got a gig (hidden gig spam!) this Friday at 21Grand in Oakland (http://www.21grand.org/) and she announced on Sunday she can't do the gig. Rather than it being an issue of canceling the show, we'll play anyway, knowing I'm more than used to providing bass parts. She'll be missed, but it's not a hardship. Maybe this is why we loopers don't form a more solid scene. However, I've found an incredible amount of people that seem to be interested in what I'm doing, compared to when I lived in Syracuse, NY. Ithaca was hip, but not even close to the audiences I'm finding here in the SF bay area. I'm a loner, Dotty. Pee-Wee Andre LaFosse wrote: > Yo Kevin, > > > After being on this list now for around 8 months I have to say I’m quite jealous of you California > Loopers. > > > Having LoopStock and all I just can’t resist anymore I feel compelled to move closer to the action. > > Well, let me give you my own perspective on the "action," so to speak, > from my vantage point in Los Angeles: > > Loopstock had an amazing sense of community, and it was pretty > remarkable to see how many different loop-based artists are located > reasonably close to the central Californian coast. But, although you > could say there's a "scene" here, it's one of an extremely fragmentary > nature. > > What I mean by that is that I see people like Rick Walker, Hans > Lindauer, Kim Flint, Max Valentino, or Richard Zvonar once every few > months (if even that), and that's on account of going well out of my way > to do so. It's a great pleasure to be able to interact with these and > other Californian loopers, but it's not easy logistically or financially. > > Closer to home, Los Angeles is infamous for being fragmentary and > disconnected, so it's no surprise that cultivating a sense of looping > community here has been difficult. Occasionally Rick Walker will ask me > about the LA Looping Scene, and I have to reply that there IS no LA > Looping Scene, at least as far as I'm aware. > > The last two solo looping gigs I played drew one and zero people, > respectively. That's not a complaint; I'd like to see LA list members > that do play out, like Stig and Andrew Pask, more often than I do (I've > never seen Andrew, as a matter of fact, though I'd very much like to), > but seeing a gig "here in town" can frequently mean battling freeway > traffic for a half hour of more. So I understand that schedules don't > often work out for people. But this sort of thing does tend to cast a > sobering light on the notion of "looping scenes" and their impact on > one's day-to-day existence. > > I'm not qualified to speak authoritatively about the Bay Area scene from > an insider's point of view. I do know that Rick Walker has been endless > in his enthusiasm and drive to cultivate a sense of looping awareness > and community, and he deserves an immense amount of credit for helping > to solidify a notion of a California looping "scene" of any sort. > > Hans Lindauer has also done incredible work, and has been utterly > selfless in spending time and energy trying to facilitate things for us > on the West Coast. Max Valentino and I did some shows together in San > Luis Obispo at the end of March, and Hans was unbelievably together and > supportive on all fronts. > > But frankly, gigs aren't THAT frequent. If you check the list archive > for gig announcements in the last year of two, I think you'll find that > there just aren't that many performances happening in California. And > if they ARE happening, people aren't publicizing them very much, which > gets back to the issue of how fragmentary the "scene" here actually is. > It's not like the New York bebop scene in the 1940's, or the CBGB's punk > scene in the '70s, or the British IDM scene in the '90s. > > I'm not exaggerating when I say that you could probably fly out to every > major (and even many of the non-major) California loop gig that's been > held in the last year and be about as plugged into "the scene" as if you > were living here full time. And you'd probably also be in better shape > financially. > > This doesn't mean that there isn't a very cool and tangible sense of > being involved in something here in California. It doesn't mean that I > don't very much appreciate being within reasonable geographic distance > of all the wonderfull people I've mentioned (and many I haven't, like > Sean Echevarria, Cliff Novey, Gary Lehman, Jon Wagner, Bill Walker, Tom > Heasley, Mark Sottillaro, and the folks I'm sure I'll remember just as > soon as I send this email off... apologies to you deserving folks I'm > forgetting right this second). > > What it DOES mean is that, in my opinion, the scene here is very fragmentary, > sporadic in its convergence, and only just starting to emerge as > something with tangible structure and order to it, thanks to the > efforts of a few people who have been working away at it for years. > > In other words, if you move out to California for the "looping scene," I > think you're going to spend a hell of a lot of time waiting around for a > handful of gigs to happen. > > Anyway, this is enough out of me. I'd be curious to hear other people's > take on this as well... > > Take care, > > --Andre LaFosse > http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 21:30:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30913; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 21:28:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 21:28:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CFC1792.FA4DA64E@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 18:27:45 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper Moving! - scenes, genres, and distinctions References: <004101c20b38$eae8e1c0$5610d0cf@GEORGE> <3CFBEA01.FD1D04CB@altruistmusic.com> <3CFC05DA.99500EF8@altruistmusic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre LaFosse wrote: > > The fact that people might tend to equate looping with any particular > genre or style of music is potentially problematic, I think. (And > probably a huge obstacle towards truly creating a scene that can cross > stylstic boundaries...) Add that point to my last email! We're all over the map style wise. Makes having a set audience nearly impossible, I'd say. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 21:51:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32288; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 21:49:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 21:49:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 21:48:21 EDT Subject: Re: Looper Moving! - scenes, genres, and distinctions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id VAA32246 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com re: andrés note that began with: >Hey there Richard, a coupla superficial thoughts were engendered: someday i hope there'll be lots of looping / sonic fuckery & all kindsa developments therein, but no static 'scene'. someday i'd love to hear plenty of music, but in as many styles as there are musicians to make 'em. and, uhh..... death to the demoness allegra geller! 8-) eek. what i say. influence yourself, be influenced by others. sqwawk. disingenuously, cheaply & ontheslyfly, dt / splattercell IMI-IBI From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 21:52:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32721; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 21:51:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 21:51:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <18.201b7107.2a2d76f9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 21:50:49 EDT Subject: Re: Jon Brion To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com henry@bagend.com writes: >Well, does anyone know what he uses to loop? no, but there aren't that many choices, are there? izzit delay-based, or otherwise? dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 22:07:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02745; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:05:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:05:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CFC1FB1.72AAA039@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 19:02:25 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper Moving! - scenes, genres, and distinctions References: <004101c20b38$eae8e1c0$5610d0cf@GEORGE> <3CFBEA01.FD1D04CB@altruistmusic.com> <3CFC05DA.99500EF8@altruistmusic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there again Mr. Z, Thanks for adding your customarily insightful dialogue herein. > I brought up ACF not as a specific example of a "looping scene" but > as an example of a non-pop "music scene" in Los Angeles. The point I > was trying to make is that you have to create your own scene by > working with whatever tools come to hand... I thought the thread had > moved past that initial discussion into > one about the nature of the West Coast scene and some analysis of > what you have to do to build a community. OK, I got ya. I wasn't sure if you were drawing a connection between the ACF and looping in general, and I can see that's not really the case. > If technique is your main concern then I can see why ACF wouldn't > appeal to you. Our community is musically pluralistic and our > techniques are varied. Some people are doing improvisational > electroacoustic music and some people are writing sacred choral > music. It's all interesting to me My use of the word "technique," in this case, refers simply to the technique of looping audio. It's by no means the only thing I'm interested in (whether in looping or in music in general), but to me that's the core of a "looping scene," such as there is one. Again, I seem to have misinterpreted your comments about the ACF as being specifically geared towards looping. > I'm not sure I think in terms of "total improvisation" - for me it's > more like "real-time composition." Oh, for me too, ideally. But I've found that not all improv is approached from that sort of compositional frame of mind. (To me, one of the things that seperates good improvising from noodling is how much the improviser is able to refer back to and build on a core musical idea). > >The ACF doesn't seem to offer an outlet for these sorts of issues. > > Does that mean our Web site is too fancy? My conclusions here were drawn after going through some of the pages at the group's web site, and more specifically looking at some of the criteria for submitting compositions for the salons. My impression, after having read through the information, was that written music manuscripts (or at least a recording of a fixed musical work) had to be handed in to a committe, which would then determine whether or not this was something that was viable for a formal presentation to the group in general. It also struck me that the orientation of the site seemed to point primarily towards academic work, composition grants, "new music," and the like. So to me, there's not a lot in the content and orientation of the site that would be immediately geared towards people who aren't already operating in the academic or new music realm. I should add that, ultimately, I personally feel a lot of the distinctions between musical "realms" are increasingly meaningless, and that there's an ever-expanding amount of cross-pollination between a lot of wildly divergent areas of musical thought these days. Particularly in electronically-oriented realms, the distinctions between new music, electronica, dance, DJ culture, and contemporary classical seem to be getting more tenuous by the day. From what I know of your own background, and what you've described of the ACF, I'm sure you feel the same way. > "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn." Rhett, Rhett... :) > It's both, depending on who > is doing it and a what moment he/she is doing it. For instance, I > don't particularly think of myself as "a looper" but I use looping > tools and techniques in my music. Well, if that doesn't scare Kevin out of the idea of moving to LA to take part in the alleged Looping Scene, nothing will! :() Your reaction here is, I would say, very similar to my initial reaction to the ACF web site: in both cases, we seem to be thinking, "Yes, I use a lot of the relevant tools, but the requirements of entry seem too specific and strict for me to comfortably fit in." And in both cases, I'd say that's clearly not the case, though it might not be immediately apparent. As far as your not thinking of yourself as a looper... I feel the same way about myself, to a large extent: I don't feel comfortable calling myself a "looping artist" because I don't want to feel like I'm obligated to always be using looping in what I do, you know? I think there's a danger of putting the cart before the horse in that way... ...which brings us back to the main issue I'm wondering about, which is: what kind of "looping scene" is there in California? Yes, we had about two dozen remarkable music performances in San Luis Obispo, and there are a lot (relatively speaking) of musicians who use this technique in their music in this state. But is that something that a guy in Chicago would be able to tap into in an appreciably greater way by living here, rather than just staying subscribed to this list and flying out for a few looping festivals every year? Scenes are usually defined more by style and content than by technique, I would venture to say. Which makes a "looping scene" a prickly proposition, I think. (Is there an "experimental guitar scene" in San Diego just because Allan Holdsworth, Mike Keneally, and Harvey Starr all live there?) Oh well. My hands are sore and I don't know what I'm talking about at this point, but it's always a pleasure to hear your thoughts on these matters, Richard. Best wishes, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 22:22:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03547; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:15:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:15:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CFC2206.B3527783@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 19:12:22 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper Moving! - scenes, genres, and distinctions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear DT, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > someday i'd love to hear plenty of music, but in as many styles as there are > musicians to make 'em. Just as long as I don't have to make all those different genre bin cards for the record store... > and, uhh..... > death to the demoness allegra geller! A pox 'pon the Demoness Geller, I say, a pox... > IMI-IBI So was it said, so shall it be --Andre LaFosse West Coast Proponent of IMI-IBI (Founded 2002) http://www.imi-ibi.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 23:28:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07300; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:27:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:27:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 20:26:21 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Looper Moving! In-reply-to: <3CFC169D.76DD240F@zerocrossing.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <004101c20b38$eae8e1c0$5610d0cf@GEORGE> <3CFBEA01.FD1D04CB@altruistmusic.com> <3CFC169D.76DD240F@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:23 PM -0700 6/3/02, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >I started looping when my pop band disintegrated...I felt I had >spent a lot of time and energy forging a relationship with the other >band members...I never wanted to be in that situation again. >I'm a loner, Dotty. Excellent point. I think it's very similar to my own experience. After spending close to ten years being in and out of bands, putting them together, watching them fall apart, I started making art that didn't require an ongoing social unit for its very existence. I went from filmmaking to tape music to computer music. I never totally rejected group collaboration, but I never again depended on it completely. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 23:29:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07581; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:28:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:28:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <146.f6a0b5e.2a2d8da8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:27:36 EDT Subject: Re: Looper Moving! - scenes, genres, and distinctions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com at the outset of this particular verbal volley, we went: >> someday i'd love to hear plenty of music, but in as many styles as there >are >> musicians to make 'em. > >Just as long as I don't have to make all those different genre bin cards >for the record store... ha! >--Andre LaFosse >West Coast Proponent of IMI-IBI (Founded 2002) >http://www.imi-ibi.com dude: dude. i shall webify it (or ask meine freunde to do so). the hastily disorganised & completely chaotic semimusical analogue to 'the first church of the subgenius'. 'member that? i'm off, again. no, really, i am. deet / spleet From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 3 23:49:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08563; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:46:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:46:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 20:44:46 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Looper Moving! - scenes, genres, and distinctions In-reply-to: <3CFC1FB1.72AAA039@altruistmusic.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <004101c20b38$eae8e1c0$5610d0cf@GEORGE> <3CFBEA01.FD1D04CB@altruistmusic.com> <3CFC05DA.99500EF8@altruistmusic.com> <3CFC1FB1.72AAA039@altruistmusic.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:02 PM -0700 6/3/02, Andre LaFosse wrote: >My use of the word "technique," in this case, refers simply to the >technique of looping audio. It's by no means the only thing I'm >interested in (whether in looping or in music in general), but to me >that's the core of a "looping scene," such as there is one. I view looping in three ways: 1) as a technique of real time composition that is based on cyclic processes, 2) as an extension of collage technique brought into the temporal realm, and 3) as part or a larger practice of electroacoustic composition and performance. All three have their aethetic and technical sides. > > Does that mean our Web site is too fancy? > >My conclusions here were drawn after going through some of the pages at >the group's web site, and more specifically looking at some of the >criteria for submitting compositions for the salons. My impression, >after having read through the information, was that written music >manuscripts (or at least a recording of a fixed musical work) had to be >handed in to a committe, which would then determine whether or not this >was something that was viable for a formal presentation to the group >in general. The way it works is, you make a proposal to the Salon committee and they put you in the queue. I'm not aware of anyone having been rejected. It may take a year to get programmed, though, because we do them only once every other month and there are only three artists per program. The next Salon is this coming Sunday 2-5 at Rocco, 6320 Santa Monica Blvd, Hollywood. I won't be there because I'll be in Boston, but it looks like a good program. >It also struck me that the orientation of the site seemed to point >primarily towards academic work, composition grants, "new music," >and the like. Hey, it's all "new music." As for the grants, it's a great program! I got a grant specifically to buy an 8-channel surround sound system. >Your reaction here is...: "Yes, I use a lot of the relevant tools, >but the requirements of entry seem too specific and strict for me to >comfortably fit in." I don't worry too much about "comfort" or "fitting in." I belong to a lot of different online and real world communities. Not all of them overlap and I'm often a bit of an outsider. Variety is good. >But is that something that a guy in Chicago would be able to tap into in >an appreciably greater way by living here, rather than just staying >subscribed to this list and flying out for a few looping festivals every >year? Probably not, but there are a lot of other benefits to living in California. On the other hand, Chicago is a great town and has certain advantages over the West Coast (the weather not being one of these, however_. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 00:30:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11572; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:29:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:29:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020603203253.00b5e008@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: hlindauer@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 21:28:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Subject: TapeOpCon 2002 Report (and Looper Sighting) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm just back from Sacramento, California, home of the 2002 TapeOp Magazine Conference. It was a very interesting and informative weekend, and it would have been perfect if I hadn't had my rear windshield broken and my entire CD collection and my electronic repair kit stolen out of my car. Even so, however, it was a great time. Mr. Steve Albini gave the keynote address on Friday night, which was mostly an introduction to the Laffer Curve. The Laffer Curve is a bell-shaped curve which essentially states that you need to keep your gear lust in check. Someday I'd like to hear his entire speech concerning Spock's emotional and irrational behavior during his time of Pon Farr in Episode 23, but he only gave the first ten minutes this weekend as a way of calling us all a bunch of loser geeks. And geeks there were aplenty. The kind with glasses and pocket protectors and garages or spare bedrooms full of the kind of gear that puts large studios out of business. Rules were laid out in the beginning of the conference banning any type of analog vs. digital debate, Steely Dan bashing, or general gear-queerness, but we still were able to find lots to talk about. There were excellent panel discussions on mastering, production, studio design, and the future of recording, just to name a few. Q&A sessions followed each panel discussion, which was very nice. I learned a lot during every panel. The event was held at the Crest Theater in downtown Sacramento, which is the most beautiful art deco theater I may ever see. I was signed up as a volunteer, but ended up serving as Front of House Engineer by default. Nobody else wanted to do it, I guess, and I had nothing to lose. Anybody who reads TapeOp will see the absurdity of mixing FOH with a digital console to that crowd. :) There were a number of great performances at night at two different venues. I got tired and missed Calexico the first night, but caught a couple of really good bands the second night: the Freight Train Riders featuring one of the Fried Brothers on fiddle, and J. Mascis playing guitar and singing solo. Mr. Mascis is an interesting character, who happens to be a Looper! He was using one of those Z.Vex analog looper pedals, which I've been wondering about lately. It did indeed sound crappy, just like in the advertisement, but not bad as long as you don't need any tone above about 5 KHz. I considered telling him about some higher-fidelity looping gear, but he didn't really seem like he wanted to talk to anybody, and besides that he's an analog guy anyway.... This year went really well, so I'm sure there will be another TapeOpCon next year (not in Sacramento). I'll be there for sure, and hopefully I'll see some of you there as well. -Hans Lindauer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 01:15:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14232; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 01:14:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 01:14:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent: 4 Jun 2002 05:13:17 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "timothy crowe" Subject: Re: 1st EMERYVILLE LOOPING FESTIVAL? X-Sent-From: seemso@directvinternet.com Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 22:13:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.8-8 Sender: seemso@directvinternet.com Message-Id: <20020603221317.28494.h007.c007.wm@mail.directvinternet.com.criticalpath.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i love the idea. finding the right space/environment is in my sights to throw something. i hope you're all looping at burningman. tim "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Message-Id: <013f01c20b5a$8c2e4540$4161f93f@global> > From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" > Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:58:34 -0400 > X-Priority: 3 > X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20094 > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 > X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 > Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:58:20 -0700 > Received: (cpmta 27823 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2002 16:59:20 -0700 > Received: from 207.228.238.9 (HELO hemlock.violacea.com) > by smtp.c007.snv.cp.net (209.228.33.245) with SMTP; 3 Jun 2002 16:59:20 -0700 > Received: (from looper@localhost) > by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21232; > Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:58:34 -0400 > X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > X-Msmail-Priority: Normal > Resent-Message-Id: > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="Windows-1252" > Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > X-Received: 3 Jun 2002 23:59:20 GMT > Subject: 1st EMERYVILLE LOOPING FESTIVAL? > References: <200206032039.QAA04817@hemlock.violacea.com> > Precedence: list > Delivered-To: directvinternet.com%seemso@directvinternet.com > Return-Path: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > To: > Old-Return-Path: > > > Reading the license plate thread I notice that Alex, Timothy, Kim and the, > as yet unamed, > mystery license plate looper all live in or near Emeryville. > > Why hasn't there been an EMERYVILLE LOOPING FESTIVAL? > > I'd come be a guest artist, gratis, if you guys threw such a > thing............. :-) > > > yours, Rick Walker (that obnoxious looping festival fella) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 01:20:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14567; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 01:20:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 01:20:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 00:16:56 +0800 Subject: Re: anyone in or near Kansas City? From: Darrell Havard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001001c20c02$c12524a0$edb55e18@kc.rr.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3105994616_266621_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3105994616_266621_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 6/5/02 4:02 AM, savior-onasis at savior-onasis@kc.rr.com wrote: Just wondering if there were any people on the list from the Kansas City area. mark my band, cookout was just in KC a couple of weekends ago, at Hurricane KC. I'm a looping stick player (I use a RC-20). Nobody was at gig, though. It kinda sucked actually. --MS_Mac_OE_3105994616_266621_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: anyone in or near Kansas City? on 6/5/02 4:02 AM, savior-onasis at savior-onasis@kc.rr.com wrote:

Just wondering if there were = any people on the list from the Kansas City area.  

mark


my band, cookout was just in KC a couple of weekends ago, at Hurricane KC. =  I'm a looping stick player (I use a RC-20).  Nobody was at gig, t= hough.  It kinda sucked actually. --MS_Mac_OE_3105994616_266621_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 01:29:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15000; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 01:28:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 01:28:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: 1st EMERYVILLE LOOPING FESTIVAL? Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:28:57 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20020603221317.28494.h007.c007.wm@mail.directvinternet.com.criticalpath.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <2EG4aC.A.9pD.e_E_8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i hope you're all looping at burningman. speaking of which... anyone figured out how to bring gear out to the desert without it getting dust infested yet? i want to build a hermetically sealed chamber for electronic gear, unless there's a better way someone has already thought of... > "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote > > > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Message-Id: <013f01c20b5a$8c2e4540$4161f93f@global> > > From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" > > Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:58:34 -0400 > > X-Priority: 3 > > X-Mailing-List: > archive/latest/20094 > > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 > > X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE > V5.50.4807.1700 > > Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:58:20 -0700 > > Received: (cpmta 27823 invoked from network); 3 Jun > 2002 16:59:20 -0700 > > Received: from 207.228.238.9 (HELO > hemlock.violacea.com) > > by smtp.c007.snv.cp.net (209.228.33.245) with SMTP; > 3 Jun 2002 16:59:20 -0700 > > Received: (from looper@localhost) > > by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21232; > > Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:58:34 -0400 > > X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > X-Msmail-Priority: Normal > > Resent-Message-Id: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset="Windows-1252" > > Resent-Sender: > Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > X-Received: 3 Jun 2002 23:59:20 GMT > > Subject: 1st EMERYVILLE LOOPING FESTIVAL? > > References: > <200206032039.QAA04817@hemlock.violacea.com> > > Precedence: list > > Delivered-To: > directvinternet.com%seemso@directvinternet.com > > Return-Path: > > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > To: > > Old-Return-Path: > > > > > > Reading the license plate thread I notice that Alex, > Timothy, Kim and the, > > as yet unamed, > > mystery license plate looper all live in or near > Emeryville. > > > > Why hasn't there been an EMERYVILLE LOOPING FESTIVAL? > > > > I'd come be a guest artist, gratis, if you guys threw > such a > > thing............. :-) > > > > > > yours, Rick Walker (that obnoxious looping festival > fella) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 02:00:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16867; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 01:57:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 01:57:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 22:59:15 -0700 Subject: Re: Looper Moving! From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020603132017.048e4260@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_mjKD.A.GHE.vaF_8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Santa Cruz Sentinel reported that homes on West Cliff Drive (i.e., waterfront) just aren't selling the way they used to and people are having to trim millions off their asking prices -- which still leaves them costing millions... Unfortunately for anyone contemplating a move here, I don't think Santa Cruz is seeing softness at the other end of the market. For example, realtor.com reports that $189,000 will get you a 2 bedroom, 560 sq. ft. "cabin home" in Boulder Creek. Ouch. So, I would have to concur that financially it probably makes more sense to stay in Chicago and come to California when there actually is an event. It probably makes financial sense even if in order to perform as well as listen you had to keep a looping rig in storage in California. On the other hand, the relative frequency of events in Santa Cruz is one of the attractions of the area for me particularly since there's a chance that I can avoid being tired from my job and can get away from my family to go to some of them whereas the chances would be essentially nil if I had to say "I need to fly halfway across the country again to go to this looping event. See you in a couple days." (Expressing it as "getting away from my family" feels wrong, but I think most people with families will understand the intended meaning.) Mark P.S. Speaking of the midwest and looping, if there are any would be looping festival organizers in Ann Arbor, I can suggest two spaces that seem like they could be pretty cool. One is the auditorium at East Quad. Nice stage. Intimate theater. I have no idea what sort of arrangements would have to be made to use the space. The other is the concert hall at the Vitosha Guest Haus (http://www.vitosha.org/serv021.htm). Not cheap. Probably best for a quieter looping event. But a cool space. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 02:04:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA18534; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 02:03:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 02:03:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c20c2e$11b811e0$edb55e18@kc.rr.com> From: "savior-onasis" To: References: Subject: Re: anyone in or near Kansas City? Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 01:12:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C20C2E.11642580" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C20C2E.11642580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: anyone in or near Kansas City?The last time I played the Hurricane = it pretty much sucked too. I was in a conventional rock band at the = time and our singer went psycho. The kansas city scene is, shall we = say, in transition....maybe ?? I'm not sure what the hell is going on = in this town. =20 There are things stirring though. But it will not be happening at the = normal venues.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Darrell Havard=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:16 PM Subject: Re: anyone in or near Kansas City? on 6/5/02 4:02 AM, savior-onasis at savior-onasis@kc.rr.com wrote: Just wondering if there were any people on the list from the Kansas = City area. =20 mark my band, cookout was just in KC a couple of weekends ago, at Hurricane = KC. I'm a looping stick player (I use a RC-20). Nobody was at gig, = though. It kinda sucked actually.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C20C2E.11642580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: anyone in or near Kansas City?
The last time I played the Hurricane it = pretty much=20 sucked too.  I was in a conventional rock band at the time and our = singer=20 went psycho.  The kansas city scene is, shall we say, in=20 transition....maybe ??  I'm not sure what the hell is going on in = this=20 town. 
 
There are things stirring though.  = But it will=20 not be happening at the normal venues.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Darrell Havard
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 = 4:16 PM
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on 6/5/02 4:02 AM, savior-onasis at savior-onasis@kc.rr.com=20 wrote:

Just wondering if there = were any=20 people on the list from the Kansas City area.=20  

mark


my band, = cookout was=20 just in KC a couple of weekends ago, at Hurricane KC.  I'm a = looping=20 stick player (I use a RC-20).  Nobody was at gig, though. =  It kinda=20 sucked actually. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C20C2E.11642580-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 02:31:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19850; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 02:29:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 02:29:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CFC5D6B.8D43EA5A@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 23:25:48 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Turntablist Guitar (Part 1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear list, Here's some LoopIV sounds for you. 1) Funk meditation. http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/asana.mp3 2) A bit of old skool hip hop. Word. http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/alignment.mp3 3) Polyrhythmic Industrial by Hallmark. http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/generator.mp3 4) Glitch-core gets some dancing shows. http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/glitch.mp3 5) A dark, heavy thing. Dude. http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/insinuation.mp3 6) Cruising in your space car. http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/umbra.mp3 Technical geek notes: Everything's live, improvised, no edits (though #6 has a post-production fade), no overdubs... but you knew that already. Every sound came from the guitar and/or EDP, and the only "effect" used was the spring reverb in the amp I played through. Every track uses a new quantization mode called 8th, which allows you to quantize functions to the nearest 8th/beat subdivision. And since the EDP now automatically subdivides any loop by the value of 8th/beat (even when not syncing to an outside source), there's a ton of fun to be had. The value for the 8th/beat setting flashes in time, providing a visual readout for the rhythmic subdivision of a rubato loop, which was awfully helpful at the beginning of #5. Pretty much every track used a new insert mode called Substitute. It's very similar to Replace, except that you don't hear the actual change in the audio until the next repetition. So it's quite subtle and sneaky. Multiple loops, half-speed, reverse, and retrigger functions were all triggered via MIDI; these are all available independently of the front panel settings. Some tracks (particularly #4 and 2) use these commands in rapid succession for "scratching" effects. Track 4 begins by engaging half-speed in the middle of overdubs, to produce octave jumps in the middle of a single note. Tracks 3 and 5 use an Interface Mode called Stutter Mode, and an Insertmode called Sus, to extend the length of sections within a single cycle. It's sort of a granular manul timestretch thing. Every year or so there's a thread on the list to the effect of, "Are DJ's musicians?" These tracks invert that question, and ask, "Can a musician be a DJ?" Hope ya dig. --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com IMI-IBI From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 03:02:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA22212; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 03:00:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 03:00:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:00:05 -0700 Subject: Keeping gear clean at Burning Man Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's how I keep my gear clean as a whistle at Burning Man. First, find a nice muddy area near your home and roll around in it naked for a while. Let it dry and then crumble it off. If you can't find such a mud situation, you can get facial grade beauty mud, which I'd actually recommend, but it's expensive. Get most of it off, leaving a fine dusty layer on you skin. You can wash your hands but try to keep it at a minimum. Don't bathe the day before (or two...) Prior to this, stop at a army surplus store and buy some RTE meals in those foil pouches. Yum. Don't forget to stay hydrated! Next, get all your gear set up and ready to use. Turn it all on and make sure it's all working 100%. Then (this is the important part) DON'T LEAVE YOUR HOME. That's right. Don't go. Instead, take a hit or two of acid (which you were going to do anyway) and make all the damn noise you want! invite others for extra realistic Burning Man action! If you need to see more naked people, the internet is chock full of sites. Turning up the heat and all your halogen lamps is also a plus, but I personally try not to waste natural resources. At the end of the day, light a roman candle if you can get your hands on one. If not some nice Jesus votive candles are fine, and inexpensive. I've actually tested the above method, and I can confirm it's effectiveness. The next day, there's a little pocket of dirt near your gear, but it's mostly clean as it ever was! Burning Mark Sottilaro On Monday, June 3, 2002, at 10:28 PM, Paul Weissman wrote: > >> i hope you're all looping at burningman. > > speaking of which... anyone figured out how to bring gear out to the > desert > without it getting dust infested yet? > > i want to build a hermetically sealed chamber for electronic gear, > unless > there's a better way someone has already thought of... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 03:39:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23436; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 03:37:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 03:37:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.170.194.218] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #324 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 00:36:02 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2002 07:36:03.0384 (UTC) FILETIME=[7ADB0B80:01C20B9A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jim Fowler wrote: >now, from everything i've read, i'd love to be NEAR >san francisco but not IN the city.  i've read that >berkeley, oakland, etc. aren't significantly cheaper >(i'll be renting...obviously).  I thought San Francisco was great while I lived there. It has a great public transportation system, and there are all sorts of interesting things going on. Plenty of places that aren't too downtowny feeling. It never gets too hot, and it rarely gets too cold. The problems are that there's no parking, the artsy neighborhoods are also the crack-buying districts, and yeah, it's pretty expensive. Oakland is about $200 cheaper per month for a room, and the parking is easier to find. Approximately 60% of Oakland is slummy, gang-infested neighborhoods, but the other 40% is great! (I live on a pretty quiet street a few blocks away from a man-made lake.) Berkeley is the same except when you get near the university. Public transit is doable in the east bay, but nothing runs after midnight. Daly City is just south of SF, and I don't know a soul who likes living there. >so what about places like petaluma and places that may >be no more than 2 hours away?  i would imagine that >the prices would drop by the time your an hour out. Petaluma and Santa Rosa are both about an hour north of the city. (Santa Rosa is a bigger, cleaner city and is just a tad bit norther than petaluma.) >From my experience, apartments up there cost the same as in Oakland and Berkeley. Most of the musicians I've known up there didn't stay there, they wound up in SF instead. If you don't do country or teenage punk, for the most part nobody's interested up there. Honestly, I loved living in Santa Rosa when I moved there from Massachusetts, but now that I've lived in San Francisco and Oakland, I don't think I'll ever go back there. There are cities in the far east bay like Concord, Walnut Creek and Pleasanton. Rent's probably cheaper, lots of apartments were built there within the last 10 years because of the whole dot com craziness. They're a lot closer to the bay area (in fact, they're all on the bart lines), but they have virtually no culture of your own. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 03:43:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23874; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 03:41:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 03:41:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Keeping gear clean at Burning Man Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:40:54 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just want to point out that (although I have never gone to Burning Man and am not likely to camp out in the stinking desert with treasured gear), it is as fine an example of a "Scene" (see earlier posts) as one could find-- Gary -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 12:00 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Keeping gear clean at Burning Man Here's how I keep my gear clean as a whistle at Burning Man. First, find a nice muddy area near your home and roll around in it naked for a while. Let it dry and then crumble it off. If you can't find such a mud situation, you can get facial grade beauty mud, which I'd actually recommend, but it's expensive. Get most of it off, leaving a fine dusty layer on you skin. You can wash your hands but try to keep it at a minimum. Don't bathe the day before (or two...) Prior to this, stop at a army surplus store and buy some RTE meals in those foil pouches. Yum. Don't forget to stay hydrated! Next, get all your gear set up and ready to use. Turn it all on and make sure it's all working 100%. Then (this is the important part) DON'T LEAVE YOUR HOME. That's right. Don't go. Instead, take a hit or two of acid (which you were going to do anyway) and make all the damn noise you want! invite others for extra realistic Burning Man action! If you need to see more naked people, the internet is chock full of sites. Turning up the heat and all your halogen lamps is also a plus, but I personally try not to waste natural resources. At the end of the day, light a roman candle if you can get your hands on one. If not some nice Jesus votive candles are fine, and inexpensive. I've actually tested the above method, and I can confirm it's effectiveness. The next day, there's a little pocket of dirt near your gear, but it's mostly clean as it ever was! Burning Mark Sottilaro On Monday, June 3, 2002, at 10:28 PM, Paul Weissman wrote: > >> i hope you're all looping at burningman. > > speaking of which... anyone figured out how to bring gear out to the > desert > without it getting dust infested yet? > > i want to build a hermetically sealed chamber for electronic gear, > unless > there's a better way someone has already thought of... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 03:47:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA24413; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 03:45:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 03:45:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.170.194.218] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: Looper moving Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 00:43:59 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2002 07:44:00.0156 (UTC) FILETIME=[9708ADC0:01C20B9B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com don't knock Chicago! I hear lots of great stuff coming from your city. I live right in the bay area, and I have to admit, I can't think of a place within 2 a hour drive that would have a house for $150k. A co-worker of mine just put a down payment on a house in Fremont (an hour away by train) because it was only $300k. Rents have been coming down, and it seems most bay area residents are taking advantage of it and upgrading their living situations. Believe it or not, I've been hearing some great things coming from the LA and San Diego areas. Turns out there are plenty of people down there who aren't still apeshit about Guns N Roses! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 03:53:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA24766; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 03:51:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 03:51:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:50:22 +0200 Subject: Re: live funk guitar loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000501c20b4b$29b648e0$5a01a8c0@burble.innet> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Si, Welcome to the list! (I've only just joined too) Check out the Electrix Repeater at http://www.electrixpro.com - it allows for tap tempo changes, altering the loops without vastly changing the quality of the sound. You can also sync the rhythm to a live drummer, but the problem is, is that there is only one audio input - so it is impossible to shield the drum sound from your own guitar loops. However, there should be a possibility of finding a cheap unit that will listen to the bass drum sound, and convert it into a midi BPM... (any ideas?) Whilst the Repeater has a few flaws, it is in my opinion the most feature-filled dedicated looper to date. -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 03:57:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25163; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 03:55:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 03:55:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:54:12 +0200 Subject: Re: Loopers do it repeatedly (was Re: Fw: THIS IS FOR REAL. (THIS IS A LOOP BASED MUSIC LIST!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3CFBF714.71A646CA@patriot.net> Message-Id: <42229031-7790-11D6-AEA4-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Its tricky to end a performance with a loop, however, the tricks that I use are to build up a crescendo with the electric violin towards the end of the piece, then hitting the stop button at the same time I hit a power chord on the violin. The only other way that I have found is to assign a volume pedal to the master volume, and do a realtime fade-out - but that sucks. I'm experimenting at the moment in being able to change the Repeater's feedback level via the assignable volume pedal. Then - towards the end of the loop section, you can move the feedback from 90% down to 50% or lower - it will allow for some quite good morphing. This should be possible to adapt with most repeaters. On Tuesday, June 4, 2002, at 01:09 AM, Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk wrote: > The funniest thing about this thread (besides Mr. Sottilaro) > is that it triggered the following serious thought: > do loopers know how to quit? > > This has been a frustration for me lately. There are the > obvious two choices: repeat and fade, and abrupt stop > (usually during a rest). Also, there's the obvious variation > of de-evolution -- I.E., if you've built up a loop with layers, > deconstruct it back down by removing layers, but when you're > down to the last loop, be it the one you started with, or a > different one, you still have to make one of the two above > choices. I've been thinking of trying to "morph" from a loop > to live playing, but have not been successful in an accurate > resemblance of the loop, so I usually go for a completely > different sound, but maybe playing the same riff. Any other > ideas? > > Favourite license plate (un-loop-related): PLAN A (and then > written on the bumper: "HEAD") > -- > I remain, > :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk > > > -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 04:00:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25494; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 03:58:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 03:58:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:57:16 +0200 Subject: Re: 1st EMERYVILLE LOOPING FESTIVAL? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Have you ever thought about trying to make some sort of shrink-wrapped plasting mould for your pedals etc? I have a problem when I play on the street with the DL4 - I get a lot of concrete/stone dust clogging up the buttons and dials. I'm trying to find somewhere to get a custom pliable plastic cover to protect it. On Tuesday, June 4, 2002, at 07:28 AM, Paul Weissman wrote: > i want to build a hermetically sealed chamber for electronic gear, > unless > there's a better way someone has already thought of... -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 04:18:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA27642; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 04:16:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 04:16:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: eleon@pop.ripco.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 03:16:06 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Eric Leonardson Subject: Re: Looper Moving! - scenes, genres, and distinctions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Speaking as a "Chicago Looper" I have never found talk of a "looping scene" really all that productive. It doesn't exist here. Like Richard Z. and Andre F. eleoquently state, looping is more or less a compostional device, not a musical genre. What ties us together on this list is not a musical style or genre, but a specific set of audio effects devices, combined with the possibility of learning of techniques, gear bargains, and even some opportunities to gig together. Of course, these technologies do influence the ways we make sounds and music, and these technologies may tend to lead us toward similar ties in terms of styles, and then location and travel... But, what makes the list is the versatility of the machines, so I don't want to all together dimiss that a common way of music-making could lead to a "scene" of some sort. Case in point, every mention of organizing a Midwest LoopFest that I've responded to has met with no response. It probably doesn't need one. I imagine most of local musicians that I work with consider a loop-based music very limiting, given the musical potential of computer-based means, analog synth, and so forth, versus their virtuosity on traditional and electronic instruments. I'm refering to players who are informed by, and performing in a context of free improvised music. My own perspective would be different of course if I were making electronica, hip-hop, techno, or some other (as yet unnamed) genre of beat-oriented music... As far as the weather goes here in Chicago...yes, it keeps you on your toes (or shivering under the covers, or gasping for dry air) ...but the list of wonderful players here that are serious and eager to play (sans loops) is welcoming, even overwhelming. That said, I've enjoyed playing in L.A., Berlin, Balitmore, New York and look forward getting to Santa Cruz, S.F., S.D. Seattle, Louisville, Birmingham, Szcecin, Stralsund, Linz, Cologne, Sydney, and numerous other places where people are interested hearing and making strange sounds. Oh, and since I chime in on this list so rarely, some readers might be wondering who the f__k I am... I joined the list back '99 to see if a JamMan could be purchased for me to use for making my sounds for Plasticene, a physical theater company that I compose for and perform with (since 1995) in Chicago. With the information I learned from the Looper's Delight website, I was convinced that Plasticene should buy an Oberhiem Echoplex Digital Pro, which they did. I purchased it from a private owner and since then have used the EDP in numerous solo and group improvised music in the US and elsewhere. With Plasticene, the EDP as been indispensible for creating what you might hear as cinematic soundtracks for "experimental" theater. I still find the EDP a little tricky to use, and I'm interested in exploring ways to use the EDP with alternative controllers (something I've been wanting delve into for many years now) given the self-built instrument I use. In addition to this I'm hoping to find time to learn and use Max/MSP to create software-based processing that I can to compose and control my sounds (be they environmental, from my Korg-MS 20, the Springboard) and the EDP. Now that I've digressed from e-topic at hand...Regarding salons...submitting proposals... My "business" requires this. It's a tedious process. Often like getting a gig in a venue of noteriety, simply frustrating. After applying for an Illinois Arts Council Fellowship (the only grant, aside from a MacArthur or Guggenheim, that actuallly allows a recipient to spend the funds on equipment, rent, dental work, or whatever..) year after year, for fourteen years, I've recieved finally one. (I shouldn't say this, if anyone can direct me to a paying commission for a film soundtrack, this seems fantastical.) Lastly, I get a small thrill out of reading the posts from the many people on this list...enjoy the fact that we're tied together in a small world...I first heard of Richard Zvonar from a friend of mine in 1983, from John Goss a painter, video and performance artist who was then a grad student at Cal Arts. Sincere regards, Eric -- Upcoming Performances: Feature in Drunken Boat Issue#4, online journal for the arts: http://www.drunkenboat.com/ Eric Leonardson web page: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 04:25:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA28163; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 04:23:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 04:23:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CFC69EB.452C0360@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 09:19:07 +0200 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: live funk guitar loops References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stuart Wyatt wrote: > > Hi Si, > > Welcome to the list! (I've only just joined too) > > Check out the Electrix Repeater at http://www.electrixpro.com - it > allows for tap tempo changes, altering the loops without vastly changing > the quality of the sound. You can also sync the rhythm to a live > drummer, but the problem is, is that there is only one audio input - so > it is impossible to shield the drum sound from your own guitar loops. > However, there should be a possibility of finding a cheap unit that will > listen to the bass drum sound, and convert it into a midi BPM... (any > ideas?) > > Whilst the Repeater has a few flaws, it is in my opinion the most > feature-filled dedicated looper to date. if you say Mac I say Pc if you say Repeater I say EDP (Echoplex Digital Pro) As speaking of your opinion on the peater its yours, but you somehow restrict the value of it by not knowing the EDP' and her features (she's feminine for me) http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/tools.html welcome Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 04:51:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA29678; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 04:50:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 04:50:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:38:17 +0200 Subject: Re: live funk guitar loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3CFC69EB.452C0360@vtx.ch> Message-Id: <6AC22082-7796-11D6-AEA4-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: <8h6_bD.A.XPH.g8H_8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've just checked out the specs, and she looks lovely :) I think my next purchase is going to be a Line6 echo pro, but maybe after that, I'd love to get my hands on one of these beauties! On Tuesday, June 4, 2002, at 09:19 AM, Claude Voit wrote: > As speaking of your opinion on the peater its yours, but you somehow > restrict the value of it by not knowing the EDP' and her features (she's > feminine for me) -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 04:53:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA29943; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 04:51:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 04:51:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: eleon@pop.ripco.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 03:51:50 -0500 To: "matt davignon" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Eric Leonardson Subject: re: Looper moving Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:43 AM -0700 6/4/02, matt davignon wrote: >don't knock Chicago! I hear lots of great stuff coming from your city. My girlfriend and I were, up until she she got fired, looking for a home to buy in the city (chicago). The legacy of racial segregation and the currency of gentrification defines what's affordable here. If you don't mind moving to a "risky" neighborhood, you can still purchase a home here, like a brick 2-flat with basement, for under $200k. For chicago metropolitan area the median price for a home is $300k. Best regards, Eric -- Upcoming Performances: Feature in Drunken Boat Issue#4, online journal for the arts: http://www.drunkenboat.com/ Eric Leonardson web page: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 05:16:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA32284; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 05:14:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 05:14:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301c20b75$adb2ca90$02f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <000e01c20c2e$11b811e0$edb55e18@kc.rr.com> Subject: Re: anyone in or near Kansas City? Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 04:12:35 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0050_01C20B7E.0E77EB00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C20B7E.0E77EB00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: anyone in or near Kansas City?the band shiner is from kc, i think. = what a great rock band. no looping, but they use orange amps! -jim ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C20B7E.0E77EB00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: anyone in or near Kansas City?
the band shiner is from kc, i think.  what a = great rock=20 band.  no looping, but they use orange amps!
 
-jim
------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C20B7E.0E77EB00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 07:05:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA05925; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:03:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:03:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 04:11:13 -0700 From: Anthony Justman Subject: Re: 1st EMERYVILLE LOOPING FESTIVAL? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00dc01c20bb8$89ee9ec0$0300a8c0@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200206032039.QAA04817@hemlock.violacea.com> <013f01c20b5a$8c2e4540$4161f93f@global> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I work in emeryville. I'd do a festival there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:58 PM Subject: 1st EMERYVILLE LOOPING FESTIVAL? > > Reading the license plate thread I notice that Alex, Timothy, Kim and the, > as yet unamed, > mystery license plate looper all live in or near Emeryville. > > Why hasn't there been an EMERYVILLE LOOPING FESTIVAL? > > I'd come be a guest artist, gratis, if you guys threw such a > thing............. :-) > > > yours, Rick Walker (that obnoxious looping festival fella) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 07:16:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA06425; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:09:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:09:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 04:16:51 -0700 From: Anthony Justman Subject: Re: Looper Moving! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00fa01c20bb9$553cd2e0$0300a8c0@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F7_01C20B7E.A6F73980" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <004101c20b38$eae8e1c0$5610d0cf@GEORGE> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F7_01C20B7E.A6F73980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable the only places with houses for $150000 are too far from San Francisco. = You'd have to go due east and end up in the middle of no where.=20 I think the median home price in the Bay Area is around $280000 even places like santa rosa/petaluma are not too cheap because they are = close to the wine country (napa). I live in SF and work in Emeryville, which is right across the Bay, = nestled against hiway 80 and bordering berkeley and oakland. There are = a lot of empty lofts for sale there and prices are fairly reasonable i'm = told. from there, its a ten minute drive to SF without traffic. I = really like working there b/c parking is good, stuff is cheaper and = you're still close to a lot. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Brother Sean=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 12:57 PM Subject: Looper Moving! After being on this list now for around 8 months I have to say I'm = quite jealous of you California Loopers. Having LoopStock and all I just can't resist anymore I feel compelled = to move closer to the action. =20 Currently I'm located in Chicago, IL. I'm considering moving near the = bay area but very concerned about the cost of living. (Chicago isn't so inexpensive either but I = have heard frightening things about San Francisco) I'm a freelance web developer and money is tight right now. =20 Can any of you locals suggest any small towns within 50 - 100 miles of = San Francisco that have a reasonable cost of living. (Reasonable meaning being able to buy a house for = under $150,000) I'm sorry if my question is rather vague but I figure house cost is a good place to start. I don't mind = living somewhat in the middle of nowhere either. =20 Thanks a bunch! Kevin McPeak info@brothersean.com =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00F7_01C20B7E.A6F73980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
the only places with houses for $150000 = are too far=20 from San Francisco.  You'd have to go due east and end up in the = middle of=20 no where.
 
I think the median home price in the = Bay Area is=20 around $280000
 
even places like santa rosa/petaluma = are not too=20 cheap because they are close to the wine country (napa).
 
I live in SF and work in Emeryville, = which is right=20 across the Bay, nestled against hiway 80 and bordering berkeley and=20 oakland.  There are a lot of empty lofts for sale there and prices = are=20 fairly reasonable i'm told.  from there, its a ten minute drive to = SF=20 without traffic.  I really like working there b/c parking is good, = stuff is=20 cheaper and you're still close to a lot.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Brother=20 Sean
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 = 12:57=20 PM
Subject: Looper Moving!

After being on this list = now for=20 around 8 months I have to say I=92m quite jealous of you California = Loopers.

Having LoopStock and all I just can=92t resist anymore = I feel=20 compelled to move closer to the action.

 

Currently I=92m located = in=20 Chicago,=20 IL. I=92m=20 considering moving near the bay area but very=20 concerned

about the cost=20 of living. (Chicago isn=92t so=20 inexpensive either but I have heard frightening things about=20 San=20 Francisco)

I=92m a freelance web = developer and=20 money is tight right now.

 

Can any of you locals = suggest any=20 small towns within 50 =96 100 miles of = San=20 Francisco that have a reasonable

cost of=20 living. (Reasonable meaning being able to buy a house for under = $150,000) I=92m=20 sorry if my question is rather

vague but I=20 figure house cost is a good place to start. I don=92t mind living = somewhat in=20 the middle of nowhere either.

 

Thanks a=20 bunch!

Kevin=20 McPeak

info@brothersean.com<= /SPAN>

 

 

= ------=_NextPart_000_00F7_01C20B7E.A6F73980-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 07:16:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA06715; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:14:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:14:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 04:22:25 -0700 From: Anthony Justman Subject: Re: wall wart defeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <016401c20bba$1ae17140$0300a8c0@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <005501c208f0$c2c8ada0$63483144@nrockv01.md.comcast.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020531221456.00a88810@www.dreamstate.to> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Furman makes one that allows you to "lock" in the wart so that the don't come unplugged. I think its not too cheap though. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 7:19 PM Subject: Re: wall wart defeater > > > A great discovery for me was a BELKIN power bar > with 10 AC inputs, all spaced for wall warts with > a metal case and a 15 ft. cord (which is handy but > takes up much more room in the suitcase). > I buy them here in Toronto at the Home Depot. > > Cheers, > Scott M2 > > http://www.dreamSTATE.to > ambientelectronicsoundscapes > http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 07:18:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA07075; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:17:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:17:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 04:24:34 -0700 From: Anthony Justman Subject: Re: Power Amps... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <019c01c20bba$6962cb20$0300a8c0@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com haflers they have too lines, even the cheaper one is pretty good from what I hear. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Rossi" To: Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 8:55 AM Subject: Power Amps... > Can someone suggest a clean power amp for my chapman stick setup please? > Looking for 50-75 watts per channel > > Thanks > LOU > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 07:30:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA07724; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:28:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:28:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 04:36:05 -0700 From: Anthony Justman Subject: Re: fruity loops sampling question... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01d901c20bbc$0375bc80$0300a8c0@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01D6_01C20B81.56F552C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01D6_01C20B81.56F552C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable use any program to record a wave file. cut it down to loop properly and = then import into FL. there's nothing special about the FL file format, so any old wav file = will work. I think you'd want to save it where other FL audio files = reside on your hard drive. -----Original Message----- From: Looping9string@aol.com [mailto:Looping9string@aol.com] Sent: 20 May 2002 05:20 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: fruity loops sampling question... Fruity loops,=20 How do I record my bass and create a wave file to import into fruity = loops? Random comment:=20 GIBSON's EDP tech support is impossible to reach... I'm about to fix = this EDP with a big ol hammer!=20 ------=_NextPart_000_01D6_01C20B81.56F552C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
use any program to record a wave = file.  cut=20 it down to loop properly and then import into FL.
 
there's nothing special about the FL = file format,=20 so any old wav file will work.  I think you'd want to save it where = other=20 FL audio files reside on your hard drive.
 
-----Original = Message-----
From: Looping9string@aol.com=20 [mailto:Looping9string@aol.com]
Sent: 20 May 2002 = 05:20
To:=20 loopers-delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Subject:=20 fruity loops sampling question...

Fruity = loops,=20

How do I record my bass and create a wave file to import = into fruity=20 loops?






Random comment:
GIBSON's EDP tech support = is=20 impossible to reach... I'm about to fix this EDP with a big ol=20 hammer!
------=_NextPart_000_01D6_01C20B81.56F552C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 07:47:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA08729; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:45:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:45:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 07:38:12 -0500 From: Mike Killian Subject: Re: anyone in or near Kansas City? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3CFCB4B4.359A7EFF@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=------------F183FD9D44C0ECAAD4AACEF7 X-Accept-Language: en References: <001001c20c02$c12524a0$edb55e18@kc.rr.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1JIu9B.A.LIC.AhK_8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------F183FD9D44C0ECAAD4AACEF7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit St. Louis---Mike Killian savior-onasis wrote: > Just wondering if there were any people on the list from the Kansas > City area. mark --------------F183FD9D44C0ECAAD4AACEF7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit St. Louis---Mike Killian

savior-onasis wrote:

Just wondering if there were any people on the list from the Kansas City area. mark
--------------F183FD9D44C0ECAAD4AACEF7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 07:59:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA09435; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:57:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:57:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <11b.1190fb1d.2a2e04f7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:56:39 EDT Subject: Re: Loopers do it repeatedly (was Re: Fw: THIS IS FOR REAL. (THIS IS A LOOP BASED MUSIC LIST!) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com stuart@solostring.com writes: >I'm >experimenting at the moment in being able to change the Repeater's >feedback level via the assignable volume pedal. Then - towards the end >of the loop section, you can move the feedback from 90% down to 50% or >lower - it will allow for some quite good morphing. >This should be possible to adapt with most repeaters. well, no: that can only work if/when yer using one track of the repeater, as the fdbk-ctrl will only be functional in a single, open (ie, recording) track. dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 08:07:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA11285; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:06:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:06:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <156.ecd8c1f.2a2e06f0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:05:04 EDT Subject: Re: live funk guitar loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <4Wa2i.A.tvC.Q0K_8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com stuart@solostring.com writes: >I think my next purchase is going to be a Line6 echo pro, but maybe >after that, I'd love to get my hands on one of these beauties! if your interest in looping seems as if it might wanna evolve and grow, then it'd certainly be money ill-spent on the dl4 as opposed to the edp. imo. dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 08:56:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA13575; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:54:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:54:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:45:44 +0200 Subject: Re: Loopers do it repeatedly (was Re: Fw: THIS IS FOR REAL. (THIS IS A LOOP BASED MUSIC LIST!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <11b.1190fb1d.2a2e04f7@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I was thinking out aloud.... (the Repeater is fairly new to me). But by using assignable volume pedals to control the volume of the 4 mono or 2 stereo loops could work...., On Tuesday, June 4, 2002, at 01:56 PM, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > that can only work if/when yer using one track of the repeater, as the > fdbk-ctrl will only be functional in a single, open (ie, recording) > track. -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 09:24:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15978; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:22:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:22:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:50:27 +0200 Subject: Re: live funk guitar loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <156.ecd8c1f.2a2e06f0@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I already have a DL4 (currently being repaired) that I use for street work, but the problem is that it saturates easily when plugged into the effects send/returns of the Repeater. I'm also not 100% sure, but I think the DL4 is 16 bit whereas the echo pro is 24 bit - in any case, the sound quality of the echo pro is amazing with its balanced inputs/outputs, and better for a rack mounted setup. I'm also looking for something that will set the BPM automatically via Midi for delays - I use a lot of single repeat delays to create the illusion of two violins playing a Bach-type round with each other. At the end of the day though, looking at my current finances, I could not afford either :) One can dream though. On Tuesday, June 4, 2002, at 02:05 PM, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > if your interest in looping seems as if it might wanna evolve and grow, > then > it'd certainly be money ill-spent on the dl4 as opposed to the edp. -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 09:36:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16577; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:35:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:35:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01e401c20bcc$959f3c70$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <005501c208f0$c2c8ada0$63483144@nrockv01.md.comcast.net><5.1.0.14.0.20020531221456.00a88810@www.dreamstate.to> <016401c20bba$1ae17140$0300a8c0@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: wall wart defeater Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:34:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Furman makes one that allows you to "lock" in the wart so that the don't > come unplugged. I use a plastic cable tie for that. Works great if you don't need to unplug it very often. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 10:27:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20162; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:26:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:26:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRWZSGFFA9Nuu9rMmiEt9nPHARHHAIUMhxFzNB+rGoOINhnB8ophVJM1yA= From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:25:24 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper Moving! Message-ID: <4953-3CFCCDD4-9003@storefull-2355.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Mark Hamburg 's message of Mon, 03 Jun 2002 22:59:15 -0700 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm confused, are you moving to be part of a scene or upgrade your living standards? Do you have children? Or are you a free man. I can suggest living here in Las Vegas where I live and For 150k you can get brand new house in a new neighborhood 3bd 2 bath. 200k you'll really be stylin'. There is a small scene of like minded folks and 4 hours from LA. 10 hours to santa cruz, the looping capital. But everyone from LA is coming up here. There are so many houses you can get in with no down. They just want people to start making payments. Down side is most people think their Barbie and Ken cruisin down the strip in their vette' Plastic people. Bill/Las Vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 11:01:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23553; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:59:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:59:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CFCD4E1.5C517A2C@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 07:55:29 -0700 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: live funk guitar loops References: <200206041427.KAA20420@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stuart, You may also want to check out the D-Two from T.C. Electronics for this. -Hans Lindauer > I already have a DL4 (currently being repaired) that I use for street > work, but the problem is that it saturates easily when plugged into > the > effects send/returns of the Repeater. I'm also not 100% sure, but I > think the DL4 is 16 bit whereas the echo pro is 24 bit - in any case, > the sound quality of the echo pro is amazing with its balanced > inputs/outputs, and better for a rack mounted setup. I'm also looking > for something that will set the BPM automatically via Midi for delays > - > I use a lot of single repeat delays to create the illusion of two > violins playing a Bach-type round with each other. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 11:36:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24943; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 11:30:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 11:30:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Brother Sean" To: Subject: RE: Looper Moving! (maybe) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:28:32 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c20bdc$7caf7760$5610d0cf@GEORGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4953-3CFCCDD4-9003@storefull-2355.public.lawson.webtv.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You guys are great! Thanks for all the info, moving is such a tough decision... Like Richard and others on the list stated I am somewhat a loner to, mainly a defense mechanism I guess. I'm 25 and I just got out of a three year relationship with a band that ended very poorly. After that I took voice lessons for eight months (still taking them) and learned how to sing. Now I sing, play guitar and loop. No longer did I want to be dependent on other musicians. I got to the point were I cared so much about my music that it hurt too much to feel myself being controlled by the lives of others that didn't care as much as I did. My only musical partner now is my brother who plays bass and writes. As for Chicago it is an amazing town with a great music scene. I moved here two years ago from Indianapolis, IN. Tough scene there, lot of cover bands and in general very little diversity. I agree with the wise words of many on the list regarding making your own scene. Musicians are very focused on their own work and often times, especially in my case, find it hard to find the time to cultivate a "scene". I guess the thing I like most about Chicago is that it is so diverse musically. So when I stated I was moving for looping only that was a small fib... My biggest thing against Chicago is the cost of living and the population density. Of course I could move back to Indy watch corn grow and live cheap. But I think not. Thanks again for the info fellows! I'll keep you posted. Kevin ---------- Brother Sean www.brothersean.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 11:38:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25662; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 11:37:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 11:37:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <200206032039.QAA04817@hemlock.violacea.com> <013f01c20b5a$8c2e4540$4161f93f@global> <00dc01c20bb8$89ee9ec0$0300a8c0@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: 1st EMERYVILLE LOOPING FESTIVAL? Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:36:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2002 15:36:13.0777 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F302410:01C20BDD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know Rick already offered this but, I will also be more than happy to perform as a guest artist for free if this event comes off. For that matter, I'd happily perform as a guest artist at any looping festival that comes up within range of my ol' clunker... Jon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:58 PM > Subject: 1st EMERYVILLE LOOPING FESTIVAL? > > > > > > Reading the license plate thread I notice that Alex, Timothy, Kim and the, > > as yet unamed, > > mystery license plate looper all live in or near Emeryville. > > > > Why hasn't there been an EMERYVILLE LOOPING FESTIVAL? > > > > I'd come be a guest artist, gratis, if you guys threw such a > > thing............. :-) > > > > > > yours, Rick Walker (that obnoxious looping festival fella) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 11:41:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24991; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 11:30:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 11:30:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: Subject: Re: live funk guitar loops Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:30:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2002 15:29:35.0855 (UTC) FILETIME=[A2020FF0:01C20BDC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > drummer, but the problem is, is that there is only one audio input - so > it is impossible to shield the drum sound from your own guitar loops. You can do it if you're clever: arm two tracks to record stereo. Kill the volume fader on the left track and use the left for beat detect input. It'll go to the two tracks, but the beat detect source is muted. Then you can bounce the track you like to the two spare tracks and go ahead an make a new track. I can explain more if you don't get this - there's some other things you can do too but you can figure those out from this hint. jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 11:50:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26576; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 11:49:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 11:49:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <11b.1190fb1d.2a2e04f7@aol.com> Subject: Re: Loopers do it repeatedly (was Re: Fw: THIS IS FOR REAL. (THIS IS A LOOP BASED MUSIC LIST!) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:49:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2002 15:48:35.0201 (UTC) FILETIME=[491C7710:01C20BDF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >experimenting at the moment in being able to change the Repeater's > >feedback level via the assignable volume pedal. Then - towards the end > >of the loop section, you can move the feedback from 90% down to 50% or > >lower - it will allow for some quite good morphing. > >This should be possible to adapt with most repeaters. > well, no: > that can only work if/when yer using one track of the repeater, as the > fdbk-ctrl will only be functional in a single, open (ie, recording) track. > dt / s-c so, if I arm all four tracks to record, and engage an overdub, the feedback control doesn't work like I'd expect on all four tracks? Gasp!, I'd never tried this but I just assumed it would work... The lack of corectly functioning feedback control on the repeater has been my least favorite thing about it, and something that never seems to be mentioned when comparing it with the EDP. I really miss it sometimes. Somehow I think it goes with the intended audience for the repeater. A lot of today's popular music uses loop sequencing in a very un-organic way: loop1, then loop2, then loop3, back to loop1, etc. While the EDP can do this very smoothly with nextLoop, it seems like it really shines at facilitating the evolution of loop1 into loop3. Get me? The repeater is seems really good at the "AcidPro" style of loop sequencing, and not at all good at the evolution style of looping. I find myself constantly having to make a smooth volume fade myself with the faders, when I'd really rather just set that track's feedback down low and have it do it itself over a few cycles. Anyone else agree/disagree? I'd love to hear other people's ideas on using the repeater "organically." Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 11:56:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26965; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 11:55:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 11:55:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <3CFC5D6B.8D43EA5A@altruistmusic.com> Subject: Re: Turntablist Guitar (Part 1) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:55:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2002 15:54:40.0248 (UTC) FILETIME=[22B23780:01C20BE0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Dear list, > > Here's some LoopIV sounds for you. Brilliant! thanks for posting these Andre! Now its back to work on InsertMode = sub... Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 12:40:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30658; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 12:39:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 12:39:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:38:26 -0700 From: Greg Kucharo Subject: Re: Turntablist Guitar (Part 1) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <3CFC5D6B.8D43EA5A@altruistmusic.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.5.1 (Blindsider) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's good schtuff! I especially like Asana. on 6/3/02 Andre LaFosse wrote: >Dear list, > >Here's some LoopIV sounds for you. > >1) Funk meditation. >http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/asana.mp3 > >2) A bit of old skool hip hop. Word. >http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/alignment.mp3 > >3) Polyrhythmic Industrial by Hallmark. >http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/generator.mp3 > >4) Glitch-core gets some dancing shows. >http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/glitch.mp3 > >5) A dark, heavy thing. Dude. >http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/insinuation.mp3 > >6) Cruising in your space car. >http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/umbra.mp3 > >Technical geek notes: > >Everything's live, improvised, no edits (though #6 has a post-production > ------------------------------------------ Greg Kucharo- www.mutantaudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 12:44:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31059; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 12:42:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 12:42:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 18:41:06 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Loopers do it repeatedly (was Re: Fw: THIS IS FOR REAL. (THIS IS A LOOP BASED MUSIC LIST!) From: Stuart Wyatt To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, June 4, 2002, at 05:49 PM, Jon Wagner wrote: > I'd love to hear other people's ideas > on using the repeater "organically." (This got sent direct to Jon... it should have gone to the list) In some ways, I was grossly dissapointed with the Repeater's performance. I had assumed that it would be like 4 DL4's plus more... The things that annoy me about it are: 1. When you record the first loop, the record button cuts out when you set the end point for the loop. This can cause clicks in the audio if you do not keep the break points clean... Why it cannot have a continuous overdub feature (like the DL4) I do not know. 2. Ambient drones : Anyone tried this? Notice the 'clicks'.... why, I do not know. It is impossible to get a nice harmonic drone without having an attack note in there somewhere. 3. Midi implementation - In the documentation, it says that everything you can do on the front panel can be assigned to Midi. Utter bollocks (excuse the French). You cannot erase tracks, select multiple tracks for pitch shifting, or copy loops. Also, it uses CC codes higher than 95, which makes my Roland FC200 pedal completely useless. 4. Panning - When you delete a loop of all of its tracks, the panning is set back to the centre for all 4 tracks. Why? Saying that, those are the bad points. It does have a lot of good points. With a good midi pedal, you can do some amazing things with 'slipping' tracks in the loop, as well as pitch shifting. The realtime tempo changing is not that bad - with very little sound degredation until you stretch/reduce a lot from the original BPM. So I'd agree with your points about it being more geared to the studio producer. On its own, it is not a good organic looping tool. However, combined with something like the Echo Pro, Echoplex, DL4 or whatever, and a serious Midi controller, I think that it offers a hell of a lot of potential for an organic looper. -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 13:11:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01303; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:10:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:10:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] From: "The Weg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fw: THIS IS FOR REAL. (THIS IS A LOOP BASED MUSIC LIST!) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 13:08:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2002 17:08:51.0534 (UTC) FILETIME=[7FDE8EE0:01C20BEA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, You kids are great! I wish you would come to West Virginia and play. If anyone is ever passing through Charleston, WV send me an email and we'll hook up! I'm sure I could book a place to play around town or we could improve in the studio. I just got the new Digitech GNX3 and started playing around with it. I will write a review after playing with it some more. I am in the process of setting up and rewiring my studio and just purchased a Behringer MX9000 mixing board too! I hope to have it all up and looping by the weekend. Peace, Weg From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fw: THIS IS FOR REAL. (THIS IS A LOOP BASED MUSIC LIST!) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 08:33:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.236.16]) by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Mon, 3 Jun 2002 08:41:41 -0700 Received: from hemlock.violacea.com ([207.228.238.9]) by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Mon, 3 Jun 2002 08:31:53 -0700 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12412;Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:33:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:33:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1ETAtAhQLdbvuofFfcgcuY9PuYcLgkWNLIAIVAIY3aqGNdX3qk+spV01uJhm/xjUF Message-ID: <16579-3CFB8C35-4671@storefull-2357.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Mark Sottilaro 's message of Sun, 2 Jun2002 13:58:02 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Return-Path: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2002 15:31:53.0310 (UTC) FILETIME=[C98647E0:01C20B13] First off, I enjoyed reading Mark Sottilaro's sarcastic yet constructive critique. great way to get the point accross. But as for "just john" I dont know what is worse, my stupidity or you investing so much emotion in my stupidity. As for every one else tolerating the spam thread. I am sorry and it won't happen again. Blessings to all, Bill/Las Vegas _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 13:34:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02414; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:32:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:32:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.29.193] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 1st EMERYVILLE LOOPING FESTIVAL? Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 17:30:20 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2002 17:30:20.0703 (UTC) FILETIME=[804622F0:01C20BED] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Depending, of course, on timing and dates...you can count me in too!! Would love the chance to mingle and chat with all of you again....and Jon, perhaps a chance to duet with you bassndrumsnloops....? Max >From: "Jon Wagner" > >I know Rick already offered this but, I will also be more than happy to >perform as a guest artist for free if this event comes off. For that >matter, I'd happily perform as a guest artist at any looping festival that >comes up within range of my ol' clunker... >Jon > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:58 PM > > Subject: 1st EMERYVILLE LOOPING FESTIVAL? > > > > > > > > > > Reading the license plate thread I notice that Alex, Timothy, Kim and >the, > > > as yet unamed, > > > mystery license plate looper all live in or near Emeryville. > > > > > > Why hasn't there been an EMERYVILLE LOOPING FESTIVAL? > > > > > > I'd come be a guest artist, gratis, if you guys threw such a > > > thing............. :-) > > > > > > > > > yours, Rick Walker (that obnoxious looping festival fella) > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 13:38:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02857; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:37:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:37:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: Subject: Re: 1st EMERYVILLE LOOPING FESTIVAL? Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:36:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2002 17:36:17.0810 (UTC) FILETIME=[55205720:01C20BEE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Depending, of course, on timing and dates...you can count me in too!! >Would love the chance to mingle and chat with all of you again....and Jon, >perhaps a chance to duet with you bassndrumsnloops....? Boo-Ya, Primo, Sweet, and other positive adjectives. yes. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 13:39:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02860; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:37:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:37:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c20c8e$f7a3ed40$edb55e18@kc.rr.com> From: "savior-onasis" To: References: <000e01c20c2e$11b811e0$edb55e18@kc.rr.com> <005301c20b75$adb2ca90$02f8c440@g0wn7> Subject: Re: anyone in or near Kansas City? Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:46:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C20C8E.F769F180" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C20C8E.F769F180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: anyone in or near Kansas City?Yeah, I've seen shiner a couple of = times. They are a good band. And Orange amps?! Well, that makes them = "Honorary Virtual Loopers of the First Order" ;-) Peace ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jimmy Fowler=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:12 AM Subject: Re: anyone in or near Kansas City? the band shiner is from kc, i think. what a great rock band. no = looping, but they use orange amps! -jim ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C20C8E.F769F180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: anyone in or near Kansas City?
Yeah, I've seen shiner a couple of = times. They are=20 a good band.  And Orange amps?!  Well, that makes them = "Honorary=20 Virtual Loopers of the First Order" ;-)
 
Peace
 
 
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the band shiner is from kc, i think.  what a = great rock=20 band.  no looping, but they use orange amps!
 
-jim
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C20C8E.F769F180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 13:51:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03847; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:49:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:49:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:48:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200206041348.AA3510239464@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Looper Moving! - scenes, genres, and distinctions X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm in definite agreement here. I use loops a lot in my music, but I don't really consider myself as making loop based music. Looping is just a tool I use, like any other in my improvisations. Seattle has an amazing scene, but a looping showcase is completely unnecessary since there are several avant garde weekly series in different venues that will usually feature at least two or three JamMans, Repeaters or DL4s on the stage. So you could say that there are at least a couple looping festivals every week! I would think that Chicago and New York are probably quite similar in this respect. Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 14:12:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06831; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:11:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:11:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CFD0324.60848750@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 11:16:17 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: TapeOpCon 2002 Report (and Looper Sighting) References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020603203253.00b5e008@pop.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hans Lindauer wrote: > I'm just back from Sacramento, California, home of the 2002 TapeOp Magazine > Conference. > (snip) awesome! thanks for the report, hans. hopefully i'll see ya at next year's, pocket protector on board... lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 14:21:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07796; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:20:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:20:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 11:20:13 -0700 From: Si Butler Subject: RE: live funk guitar loops In-reply-to: <3CFC69EB.452C0360@vtx.ch> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002001c20bf4$7856dec0$5a01a8c0@burble.innet> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > You can also sync the rhythm to a live > > drummer, but the problem is, is that there is only one audio input - so > > it is impossible to shield the drum sound from your own guitar loops. > > However, there should be a possibility of finding a > > cheap unit that will > > listen to the bass drum sound, and convert it into a midi BPM... (any > > ideas?) > > > if you say Mac I say Pc if you say Repeater I say EDP (Echoplex Digital > Pro) > [simon said] this sounds pretty interesting. So if have a loop setup that I stop for some period of a tune this that when I turn it on again I can get it synch to the bass drum automatically right? Does anyone have an opinion as to whether this is best done with the Repeater or the Echoplex? Can anyone recommend the hardware that could generate the midi BPM from the bass drum as mentioned above? Thx in advance, -simon- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 14:48:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09454; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:47:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:47:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <002001c20bf4$7856dec0$5a01a8c0@burble.innet> Subject: Re: live funk guitar loops Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 11:46:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2002 18:46:08.0952 (UTC) FILETIME=[173DDB80:01C20BF8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com check out Redsound's micro sync. never used it, but it comes well recommended by some. www.redsound.com repeater will do what you want as well I believe. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Si Butler" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 11:20 AM Subject: RE: live funk guitar loops > > > You can also sync the rhythm to a live > > > drummer, but the problem is, is that there is only one audio input > - so > > > it is impossible to shield the drum sound from your own guitar > loops. > > > However, there should be a possibility of finding a > > > cheap unit that will > > > listen to the bass drum sound, and convert it into a midi BPM... > (any > > > ideas?) > > > > > > if you say Mac I say Pc if you say Repeater I say EDP (Echoplex > Digital > > Pro) > > > > [simon said] this sounds pretty interesting. So if have a loop setup > that I stop for some period of a tune this that when I turn it on again > I can get it synch to the bass drum automatically right? Does anyone > have an opinion as to whether this is best done with the Repeater or the > Echoplex? Can anyone recommend the hardware that could generate the midi > BPM from the bass drum as mentioned above? > > Thx in advance, -simon- > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 15:01:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11573; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:00:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:00:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: OT: drum machine question? Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:59:34 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OT: drum machine question? Thread-Index: AcIL+fP10QVfYImsRgufL9bOfTxSKg== From: "Wolf, Bill" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA11518 Resent-Message-ID: <1DXSDB.A.O0C.j4Q_8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I upgraded from a Roland TD7 drum module to a TD10 a while back and really miss this footswitch activated record/playback feature the TD7 had. You'd press a footswitch, play (it was smart enough to not start recording until you hit a note), and then press again to end the loop and start it's playing. Pressing the footswitch again put it in overdub mode. Just like what you guys get with your jammans/repeaters/etc but in the Midi domain. Are there external boxes or drum machines that can do this kind of thing? Anything similar to a Korg Electribe type of groove box? I've been thinking about getting something along those lines anyway. Thanks -Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 15:22:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13009; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:20:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:20:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020604191938.37588.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 12:19:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: anyone in or near Kansas City? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001001c20c02$c12524a0$edb55e18@kc.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- savior-onasis wrote: > Just wondering if there were any people on the list from the Kansas > City area. Not exactly near, but I'm in Wichita, Kansas. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 15:36:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13724; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:34:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:34:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Loopers do it repeatedly (was Re: Fw: THIS IS FOR REAL. (THIS IS A LOOP BASED MUSIC LIST!) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 21:33:58 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > On Tuesday, June 4, 2002, at 05:49 PM, Jon Wagner wrote: > > > I'd love to hear other people's ideas > > on using the repeater "organically." > Fran: Stuart Wyatt [mailto:stuart@solostring.com] > 1. When you record the first loop, the record button cuts out when you > set the end point for the loop. This can cause clicks... That's right. The workaround I'm using is to always record the first track of a loop into Repeater without playing. Then, when left and right loop point is fixed you can proceed with gitchfree recording on any of the four tracks. It's a hard trick to do this in front of an audience and still make some musical sense... > > 2. Ambient drones : Anyone tried this? Notice the 'clicks'.... I never get "clicks"... (see above) > 4. Panning - When you delete a loop of all of its tracks, the panning is > set back to the centre for all 4 tracks. Why? Panning (as well as pitch?) is loop based - not track based. I also disliked this initially but now I love it. With a midi floor controller you can set up different panning for different loops, which gives a dramatic effect when changing loop behind your playing. If you want the track based effects, why don't you set up your controller to send also a pitch/pan msg together with the "active track" msg? That's a neat trick :-) > On its own, it is not a good organic looping tool. However, combined > with something like the Echo Pro, Echoplex, DL4 or whatever, and a > serious Midi controller, I think that it offers a hell of a lot of > potential for an organic looper. Definitely! I use it slaved to an EDP and IMHO this combo rocks! Especially with the new Half Speed feature of the EDP. To bad you cannot change "8th/cycle" by midi with the new EDP loop4 OS. How cool would it be to step on a EDP button that kicks the Repeater into polyrhythmics!!! Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ http://loopboy.tk www.boysen.se www.upsweden.com www.fuzz.se From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 16:03:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16505; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:03:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:03:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CFD1C2A.BFC6A126@wanadoo.fr> Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 21:59:39 +0200 From: "o.malhomme" Reply-To: MalhommeO@wanadoo.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [fr] (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: totally OT: pick-up References: <200206041936.PAA13882@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If anyone could direct me to a place where I could buy either a second hand S. Duncan Holdsworth model, or the new carvin Holdsworth signature... The former is impossible to find here in France (so far at least) and for the later, Carvin charges a price for shipping abroad that is higher thant the p-u itself... Sorry for the time spent.. and ermmmm plan to loop with it (mmmm... cheap) Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 16:35:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18161; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:33:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:33:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020604203258.2093.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:32:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Pedro Felix Subject: Re: Gigging in NYC - Thursday May 30, 2002 at 9:30 pm To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001d01c20664$09310920$2201a8c0@urso> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Daniel - sorry for delay in getting back to you. I utilize a guitar and loop with an EDP and two Digitech delays. i'm guitar-solo free for most shows thankfully. best, Pedro --- Daniel Pezzotti wrote: > Hi Pedro! > I'll be in NYC from tomorrow on...probably I'll join > your show. > What instruments are you playing? > > Take care > Daniel > (celloplayer from Zurich/Switzerland) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pedro Felix" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 5:05 PM > Subject: Gigging in NYC - Thursday May 30, 2002 at > 9:30 pm > > > hello all- > > reminder for my weekly gig Thursday, May 30, 2002 at > Chama, 332 East 4th Street, betwixt Avenues C and D > in > New York City, NY. 646-654-6472 > > I begin ~9:30 pm and have been playing just past > midnight. Check archives for quasi-reviews. > > tales from last week's gig: > > eh, none actually. I was actually hopped up to play, > but the proprietor asked if he could have the > evening > to work on some items. thus, the gig was cancelled. > I > used the time and weekend to work on some sound > ideas > I plan on debuting this Thursday. Kind of a > hyper-techno sound. > > best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 17:22:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22028; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:20:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:20:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent: 4 Jun 2002 21:19:17 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "timothy crowe" Subject: protection X-Sent-From: seemso@directvinternet.com Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 14:19:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.8-8 Sender: seemso@directvinternet.com Message-Id: <20020604141917.8578.h003.c007.wm@mail.directvinternet.com.criticalpath.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com protecting gear at bm. there will be playa in and on something no matter what you do but you can minimize it a lot and then air it all out when you get home. last year i played with an rc-20 but this year i have a repeater with other goodies so it's a more intense concern for me cuz of the fucking cost if things go wrong. i'm imagining a very clear plastic bag with two holes for venting in and out with a nice filtered very well placed fan. it would have to be pliable to access the controls or have gloves attached like a sandblasting booth. or get an actual small portable sandblasting booth. i just saw one at harbor freight for around a hundred. seems kind of high but so is all the stuff i'm protecting. at night that might not even be necessary as long as it's not too windy. if it's really windy just don't do it. it's a festival worth alot in cutting edge value. not many places are there where 30,000 people are casting space for hypercreativity. it's the living womb and you make of it what you let and relet. it's turning into a light/sound spiritual transcursion. playing inside spaces that are well built for blocking the wind and playa helps. some structures achieve this very hard task. bed sheets wrapped round and around did well. be sure and shake'em clean often. the alkali is hungry for your circuitry. plastic boxes with holes cut out for cables did well. one big wind b l a s t of powdery playa and it will at least be externally covered. and soon internally. lot's of compressed air afterwards. be smart and then when you relize you weren't don't give a fuck cuz of how much fun it is. tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 17:39:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23251; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:38:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:38:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 23:37:23 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Portable Amplification units From: Stuart Wyatt To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <418024B5-7803-11D6-9B57-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: <6iQfnD.A.ZqF.yMT_8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I noticed that quite a few of you play outside, or at least would like the opportunity to do so :) So you might be interested in this: I recently aquired an Audio-One portable PA unit that surpasses anything that I have played on before, and rivals the quality that you would expect for a Bose hifi. The model that I have comes in two pieces: Top: Mid & High Range, one input + stereo line in/out - 80Watts (14KG) Woofer: Bass (down to 14Hz I think) - 40 Watts (20KG) Both units run off of their own internal rechargable lead batteries, for about 8 hours at full power. You can see the woofer and the top unit here: http://www.solostring.com/images/musicora/equipment.jpg - the two are normally connected via a pole so that the head is at ear level. The company makes various configurations, and can even incorporate wireless links between the speaker units/desks... and can make to order. I met the maker (Thomas Wotzanek) at MusikMesse in Frankfurt (its a German company), and he's a cool guy. So if anyone is looking for something different, and a quality handbuilt product, then feel free to email him at: wotzasek@audio-one.de He does not have a website yet though, but I think his English brochures are nearly ready. Cheers. -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 17:52:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23808; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:47:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:47:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.194.140.131] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 1st EMERYVILLE LOOPING FESTIVAL? Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 14:46:45 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2002 21:46:45.0918 (UTC) FILETIME=[5293A3E0:01C20C11] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I live and work in the San Jose area. I'd be honored at the opportunity to play at a loop festival Nic PS plus meanwhile I could drop the wife off at IKEA >From: Anthony Justman >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: 1st EMERYVILLE LOOPING FESTIVAL? >Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 04:11:13 -0700 > >I work in emeryville. > >I'd do a festival there. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" >To: >Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:58 PM >Subject: 1st EMERYVILLE LOOPING FESTIVAL? > > > > > > Reading the license plate thread I notice that Alex, Timothy, Kim and >the, > > as yet unamed, > > mystery license plate looper all live in or near Emeryville. > > > > Why hasn't there been an EMERYVILLE LOOPING FESTIVAL? > > > > I'd come be a guest artist, gratis, if you guys threw such a > > thing............. :-) > > > > > > yours, Rick Walker (that obnoxious looping festival fella) > > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 18:15:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26093; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 18:14:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 18:14:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c20c15$1764be40$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> From: "Bob Campbell" To: References: <20020604141917.8578.h003.c007.wm@mail.directvinternet.com.criticalpath.net> Subject: Phoenix Festival (US Pacific NW) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:13:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: Phoenix Festival July 3-7 near Portland OR This talk about BurningMan reminded me I should mention an event of potential interest to those in the Pacific NW that appreciate BM. Phoenix Festival is a regional festival partly inspired by BM. This is the 3rd and last of a 3 year run for the organizers. I went last year and had a great time, and will be there this year as well. It happens on July 3-7 about an hour east of Portland, in Southern Washington State not far from the Columbia River. Although the intent of the festival is open ended and encouraging of 'make-your-own-fun' theme camps, most of the people show up with just camping gear and dance and party at one of the several DJ sound stages. As a result its a lot more sedate than BM. Last year had attendance of at least 1000. Some folks do make a nice theme camp out of it though. We had a 30' diameter dome in which I hosted a lot of music jams last year. We had a generator, small PA, electric looping gear as well as acoustic instruments including lots of hand drums. It was a ball, partly because by happen-stance some other musicians were there and we jammed a lot. That's the catch. The number of people attending is a bit below critical mass, and like I say most people are going to party, not to create an art happening. But enough do create some artistic mayhem of one sort or another to make it a worthwhile experience. This year I have been planning on not even taking electric looping gear, focusing rather on trying to make some drum circles happen. That has been well received and I expect some good drum jams to happen. I also do plan to bring acoustic instruments in the event other musicians are floating around. I would love to see somebody create an electric looping theme camp of some kind. I would bring gear to participate in that if it happened, but am not planning on organizing such. The environment is much saner than BM, very dry, fairly warm, but no dust storms or anything :). An electric looping village would require some kind of shelter, generators, and such. (That's why I'm expecting to just go acoustic this time) Anyway, if you live in the Pacific NW and would like to attend a mellow regional festival with a 'wee bit' of the Burning Man vibe, this is well worth considering. Here are some links : main: http://www.phoenixfest.com/ description: http://www.phoenixfest.com/about.html FAQ: http://www.phoenixfest.com/faq.html anybody wants to know more or hook up around this, drop me a line off list. Bob Campbell Seattle area rcc@nwlink.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 19:05:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28994; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:04:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:04:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020604180415.00813720@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 18:04:15 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: protection In-Reply-To: <20020604141917.8578.h003.c007.wm@mail.directvinternet.com. criticalpath.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm sure BM is a very big deal, but I just have to laugh! M... At 02:19 PM 6/4/02 -0700, you wrote: >protecting gear at bm. > > > >there will be playa in and on something no matter what >you do but you can minimize it a lot and then air it >all out when you get home. > >last year i played with an rc-20 but this year i have a >repeater with other goodies so it's a more intense >concern for me cuz of the fucking cost if things go >wrong. >i'm imagining a very clear plastic bag with two holes >for venting in and out with a nice filtered very well >placed fan. it would have to be pliable to access the >controls or have gloves attached like a sandblasting >booth. or get an actual small portable sandblasting >booth. i just saw one at harbor freight for around a >hundred. seems kind of high but so is all the stuff >i'm protecting. >at night that might not even be necessary as long as >it's not too windy. if it's really windy just don't do >it. >it's a festival worth alot in cutting edge value. not >many places are there where 30,000 people are casting >space for hypercreativity. it's the living womb and >you make of it what you let and relet. >it's turning into a light/sound spiritual transcursion. > >playing inside spaces that are well built for blocking >the wind and playa helps. some structures achieve this >very hard task. > >bed sheets wrapped round and around did well. >be sure and shake'em clean often. > >the alkali is hungry for your circuitry. > >plastic boxes with holes cut out for cables did well. > > >one big wind b l a s t of powdery playa and it will >at least be externally covered. >and soon internally. > >lot's of compressed air afterwards. > >be smart and then when you relize you weren't don't >give a fuck cuz of how much fun it is. > >tim > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 19:12:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29305; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:11:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:11:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: 3 Button Footswitch Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 18:10:57 -0500 Message-ID: <025001c20c1d$15990550$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20020604180415.00813720@mail.airmail.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone know of a 3 button footswitch other than the Digitech FS300? I am looking for something like it that connects using a TRS cable. The problem with the FS300 is that it doesn't work with my Eventide Eclipse. Thanks, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 19:58:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30961; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:56:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:56:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: Loopers do it repeatedly (was Re: Fw: THIS IS FOR REAL. (THIS IS A LOOP BASED MUSIC LIST!) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:57:29 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <42229031-7790-11D6-AEA4-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com simple idea on how to end a loop performance... how about putting your loop through a delay and turning up the send level to the delay as the loop is ending (or turning the mix from dry to wet if the delay is being used as a master insert)? > -----Original Message----- > From: Stuart Wyatt [mailto:stuart@solostring.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 12:54 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Loopers do it repeatedly (was Re: Fw: THIS IS FOR REAL. > (THIS IS A LOOP BASED MUSIC LIST!) > > > Its tricky to end a performance with a loop, however, the tricks that I > use are to build up a crescendo with the electric violin towards the end > of the piece, then hitting the stop button at the same time I hit a > power chord on the violin. > > The only other way that I have found is to assign a volume pedal to the > master volume, and do a realtime fade-out - but that sucks. I'm > experimenting at the moment in being able to change the Repeater's > feedback level via the assignable volume pedal. Then - towards the end > of the loop section, you can move the feedback from 90% down to 50% or > lower - it will allow for some quite good morphing. > > This should be possible to adapt with most repeaters. > > On Tuesday, June 4, 2002, at 01:09 AM, Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk > wrote: > > > The funniest thing about this thread (besides Mr. Sottilaro) > > is that it triggered the following serious thought: > > do loopers know how to quit? > > > > This has been a frustration for me lately. There are the > > obvious two choices: repeat and fade, and abrupt stop > > (usually during a rest). Also, there's the obvious variation > > of de-evolution -- I.E., if you've built up a loop with layers, > > deconstruct it back down by removing layers, but when you're > > down to the last loop, be it the one you started with, or a > > different one, you still have to make one of the two above > > choices. I've been thinking of trying to "morph" from a loop > > to live playing, but have not been successful in an accurate > > resemblance of the loop, so I usually go for a completely > > different sound, but maybe playing the same riff. Any other > > ideas? > > > > Favourite license plate (un-loop-related): PLAN A (and then > > written on the bumper: "HEAD") > > -- > > I remain, > > :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk > > > > > > > -- > Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project > http://www.solostring.com > stuart@solostring.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 19:58:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30963; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:56:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:56:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: Keeping gear clean at Burning Man Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:57:28 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > gear), it is > as fine an example of a "Scene" (see earlier posts) as one could find-- i agree... and what's really amazing about burning man is that it's managed to keep it's 'cool scene'ness even as it has grown. some may disagree, but really... with 25,000 people attending every year it's still an amazingly cool thing that happens, with much of the original atmosphere still intact. there's good lessons to be learned... the burningman organization kept their coolness by keeping strict control over media and removing commerce completely. interesting things to think about. paul > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 12:41 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Keeping gear clean at Burning Man > > > Just want to point out that (although I have never gone to Burning Man and > am not likely to camp out in the stinking desert with treasured > gear), it is > as fine an example of a "Scene" (see earlier posts) as one could find-- > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 12:00 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Keeping gear clean at Burning Man > > > Here's how I keep my gear clean as a whistle at Burning Man. First, > find a nice muddy area near your home and roll around in it naked for a > while. Let it dry and then crumble it off. If you can't find such a > mud situation, you can get facial grade beauty mud, which I'd actually > recommend, but it's expensive. Get most of it off, leaving a fine dusty > layer on you skin. You can wash your hands but try to keep it at a > minimum. Don't bathe the day before (or two...) > > Prior to this, stop at a army surplus store and buy some RTE meals in > those foil pouches. Yum. Don't forget to stay hydrated! > > Next, get all your gear set up and ready to use. Turn it all on and > make sure it's all working 100%. Then (this is the important part) > DON'T LEAVE YOUR HOME. That's right. > > Don't go. > > Instead, take a hit or two of acid (which you were going to do anyway) > and make all the damn noise you want! invite others for extra realistic > Burning Man action! If you need to see more naked people, the internet > is chock full of sites. Turning up the heat and all your halogen lamps > is also a plus, but I personally try not to waste natural resources. At > the end of the day, light a roman candle if you can get your hands on > one. If not some nice Jesus votive candles are fine, and inexpensive. > > I've actually tested the above method, and I can confirm it's > effectiveness. The next day, there's a little pocket of dirt near your > gear, but it's mostly clean as it ever was! > > Burning Mark Sottilaro > > > On Monday, June 3, 2002, at 10:28 PM, Paul Weissman wrote: > > > > >> i hope you're all looping at burningman. > > > > speaking of which... anyone figured out how to bring gear out to the > > desert > > without it getting dust infested yet? > > > > i want to build a hermetically sealed chamber for electronic gear, > > unless > > there's a better way someone has already thought of... > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 19:58:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30954; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:56:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:56:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: , Subject: Seattle loop groop? - RE: Looper Moving! - scenes, genres, and distinctions Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:57:29 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <200206041348.AA3510239464@mail.unitcircle.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com true enough... but what's cool about a dedicated looping meeting is what's cool about a dedicated loop list... sharing ideas about how to use looping in music. anyone want to set up a meeting/performance night in seattle? sounds like we got a few people here. paul > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Goldsmith [mailto:kevin@unitcircle.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 10:49 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Looper Moving! - scenes, genres, and distinctions > > > I'm in definite agreement here. I use loops a lot in my music, > but I don't really consider myself as making loop based music. > Looping is just a tool I use, like any other in my > improvisations. Seattle has an amazing scene, but a looping > showcase is completely unnecessary since there are several avant > garde weekly series in different venues that will usually feature > at least two or three JamMans, Repeaters or DL4s on the stage. > So you could say that there are at least a couple looping > festivals every week! I would think that Chicago and New York > are probably quite similar in this respect. > > Kevin > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com > Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com > -- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 19:58:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30975; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:57:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:57:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: protection Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:57:31 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <20020604141917.8578.h003.c007.wm@mail.directvinternet.com.criticalpath.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah, and i have a laptop. ugh. so i was thinking of building one of those giant plexiglass cases that have holes cut out in the side with gloves stuck on them so you can play with stuff in the box... just like in all those neat chem labs. the added bonus is you could deck it out and put it on an art car or something... weee! i was thinking NO ventillation. just don't take the thing out during the day AT ALL. night time only. i just wonder if it would survive during the day covered up... do laptops melt in the shade in the desert? but then there's the problem of cords... if this thing is sealed, how do i get the cords out? did you see the roving soundsystem that was built into that armored vehicle/big jeep thing last year? they had that neat plexiglass dj pod in the middle and all those tvs stuck on the front, above the bass bins, broadcasting visuals that another dude was making from inside the drivers compartment. and it was a damn good sound system too... bitchin. > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Instead, take a hit or two of acid (which you were going to do anyway) > and make all the damn noise you want! invite others for extra realistic or you could do this... but then your gear doesn't get messed up! and where is all the telltale dust on your car/bike/clothes/nostrils/records/etc? what fun is that!? paul > -----Original Message----- > From: seemso@directvinternet.com [mailto:seemso@directvinternet.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 2:19 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: protection > > > protecting gear at bm. > > > > there will be playa in and on something no matter what > you do but you can minimize it a lot and then air it > all out when you get home. > > last year i played with an rc-20 but this year i have a > repeater with other goodies so it's a more intense > concern for me cuz of the fucking cost if things go > wrong. > i'm imagining a very clear plastic bag with two holes > for venting in and out with a nice filtered very well > placed fan. it would have to be pliable to access the > controls or have gloves attached like a sandblasting > booth. or get an actual small portable sandblasting > booth. i just saw one at harbor freight for around a > hundred. seems kind of high but so is all the stuff > i'm protecting. > at night that might not even be necessary as long as > it's not too windy. if it's really windy just don't do > it. > it's a festival worth alot in cutting edge value. not > many places are there where 30,000 people are casting > space for hypercreativity. it's the living womb and > you make of it what you let and relet. > it's turning into a light/sound spiritual transcursion. > > playing inside spaces that are well built for blocking > the wind and playa helps. some structures achieve this > very hard task. > > bed sheets wrapped round and around did well. > be sure and shake'em clean often. > > the alkali is hungry for your circuitry. > > plastic boxes with holes cut out for cables did well. > > > one big wind b l a s t of powdery playa and it will > at least be externally covered. > and soon internally. > > lot's of compressed air afterwards. > > be smart and then when you relize you weren't don't > give a fuck cuz of how much fun it is. > > tim > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 20:09:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00300; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 20:07:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 20:07:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 20:06:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200206042006.AA2877030656@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Seattle loop groop? - RE: Looper Moving! - scenes, genres, and distinctions X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You might want to check out The Seattle SoniCabal http://www.sonicabal.com if you are looking for like-minded looping folks, most of the members use looping devices in their performances (including me). As far as performances, there is always the tentacle (www.tentacle.org) Kevin ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Paul Weissman" Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:57:29 -0700 > >true enough... but what's cool about a dedicated looping meeting is what's >cool about a dedicated loop list... sharing ideas about how to use looping >in music. > >anyone want to set up a meeting/performance night in seattle? sounds like >we got a few people here. > >paul > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kevin Goldsmith [mailto:kevin@unitcircle.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 10:49 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Looper Moving! - scenes, genres, and distinctions >> >> >> I'm in definite agreement here. I use loops a lot in my music, >> but I don't really consider myself as making loop based music. >> Looping is just a tool I use, like any other in my >> improvisations. Seattle has an amazing scene, but a looping >> showcase is completely unnecessary since there are several avant >> garde weekly series in different venues that will usually feature >> at least two or three JamMans, Repeaters or DL4s on the stage. >> So you could say that there are at least a couple looping >> festivals every week! I would think that Chicago and New York >> are probably quite similar in this respect. >> >> Kevin >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com >> Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com >> -- >> >> > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 20:24:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00985; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 20:22:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 20:22:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CFD58D9.74050313@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 17:18:33 -0700 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #329 References: <200206050009.UAA00377@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: <_cwsID.A.-O.ZmV_8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I believe that you can indeed do this, by using presets (although I haven't tried it yet). -Hans > Too bad you cannot change > "8th/cycle" by midi with the new EDP loop4 OS. How cool would it be to step > on a EDP button that kicks the Repeater into polyrhythmics!!! > > Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 23:05:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11704; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 23:03:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 23:03:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <020a01c20c3c$48b9c360$3426d9c8@fuckinmachine> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: <000501c20b4b$29b648e0$5a01a8c0@burble.innet> Subject: Re: live funk guitar loops Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 18:00:27 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I've had a scan through the archives and don't seem to be able to find > many recommendations for creating funk loops in a live situation. i been using loops live but totally free/out of sync with the band ... no attack at the begining of the loop and fade out at the final ... sort of clouds behind the groove or under my improvisations ... some noises between the songs ... feedback layers under the solo or feedback solo harmonies ... at home it's diferent ... composing , trainning etcetctect go here and check the MP3 songs Sonhos Lerdos and Canguru ... http://artists3.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Crac/ regards ... julio I have > a funk trio (guit,bass,drums) and want to be able to set up and loop the > guitar grooves live. I have the rc-20 but I think I'll have to modify it > to give a click track out for the drummer if everything is to stay in > synch (I'll be starting and stopping the loops depending on where we are > in the arrangement). I really like the quantize aspect of the rc-20 > though. Is this something that could be just as easily achieved with the > echoplex? > I'd like to be able set up a tempo (preferably by tapping my foot on a > pedal) and then have the unit auto-start recording my phase when I start > playing and stop recording when I stop playing. This phase would then > get quantized to a perfect 1/2 bar length so that I don't have to mess > around hitting the stop button at exactly the right moment.. as I > mentioned above I would then the unit to generate a click track (that > would be continuous, independent of whether the guitar phrase is playing > or not) that a drummer could listen to to ensure he remains synched up > for the duration of the performance. This ensures that I can stop/start > the loop and it will always be in synch with the drummer. > > Is this a tall order, can I do this with the echoplex and some > imagination? > > Appreciate any insight, -simon- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 23:46:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12956; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 23:44:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 23:44:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005101c20c10$8a75c820$10f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <000e01c20c2e$11b811e0$edb55e18@kc.rr.com> <005301c20b75$adb2ca90$02f8c440@g0wn7> <001701c20c8e$f7a3ed40$edb55e18@kc.rr.com> Subject: Re: anyone in or near Kansas City? Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 22:41:07 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004E_01C20C18.EAF023F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C20C18.EAF023F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: anyone in or near Kansas City?oh, i know orange has nothing to do = with looping. shiner doesn't loop anything! =20 orange amps still kick serious ass (if you can get one up and = running)... and "egg" has stayed in my car ever since i bought it. -jim ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C20C18.EAF023F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: anyone in or near Kansas City?
oh, i know orange has nothing to do with = looping.  shiner=20 doesn't loop anything! 
 
orange amps still kick serious ass (if you can get = one up and=20 running)...
 
and "egg" has stayed in my car ever since i bought=20 it.
 
-jim
------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C20C18.EAF023F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 4 23:48:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13266; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 23:46:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 23:46:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020604203641.0249c110@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 20:48:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: time signature changes in LoopIV In-Reply-To: <3CFD58D9.74050313@ernieball.com> References: <200206050009.UAA00377@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 05:18 PM 6/4/2002, Hans Lindauer wrote: >I believe that you can indeed do this, by using presets (although I >haven't tried it yet). > >-Hans > > > > Too bad you cannot change > > "8th/cycle" by midi with the new EDP loop4 OS. How cool would it be to step > > on a EDP button that kicks the Repeater into polyrhythmics!!! > > > > Per Boysen Hans is correct, the expected way to do this in LoopIV is by setting the values you want as a preset and changing it with a midi program change command. If you want to get more sophisticated, you can also edit anything you want with sysex. For example, a short sysex string for the 8th/cycle parameter could be sent to edit it to any value you like. The preset way is much simpler though. You can also still do the way that worked in LoopIII, by virtually pressing the corresponding front panel buttons with a string of midi commands. There is another great new feature related to this. Changes of 8th/cycle intelligently wait to the next cycle point to go into effect. This way your time signature changes occur in rhythm and the beat is not lost. Without a feature like this, time signature changes become difficult to do accurately and make the idea hardly worth it. But with the EDP helping you out a bit and making sure the change happens in rhythm it's easy and great fun! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 5 00:43:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16821; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 00:41:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 00:41:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c20c18$bbc03700$06f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <4953-3CFCCDD4-9003@storefull-2355.public.lawson.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Looper Moving! Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 23:39:46 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com personally, i'm moving because i'm tired of being bored (and no, creating/indulging in the current "scene" isn't an option). as far as i'm concerned, sf and new york appear to be the cultural centers (as far as variety and availability go) and i don't think i'd get along well with nyc. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 5 01:23:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19627; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 01:21:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 01:21:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 22:21:14 -0700 Subject: Re: 1st EMERYVILLE LOOPING FESTIVAL? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <0E0478FE-7844-11D6-B9BD-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Me too! Want in on that duet! ;^) Mark On Tuesday, June 4, 2002, at 10:36 AM, Jon Wagner wrote: >> Depending, of course, on timing and dates...you can count me in too!! >> Would love the chance to mingle and chat with all of you again....and >> Jon, >> perhaps a chance to duet with you bassndrumsnloops....? > > Boo-Ya, Primo, Sweet, and other positive adjectives. yes. > Jon > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 5 01:25:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19707; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 01:23:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 01:23:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CFD9F6D.E6E4AD33@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 22:19:40 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Email hassles Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there list, Right after my last post with soundfile links, my email started acting very odd indeed (and continues to do so). I've missed a ton of posts to the list, and if anyone's been trying to mail me privately since about midnight last night, it's currently (and perhaps eternally) lost in the mists of time. If you do need to get in touch, please use the altruist@earthlink.net and/or altruist@shoko.calarts.edu addresses. Sorry for the hassle/bother/momentary delusions of grandeur... --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 5 01:27:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19951; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 01:25:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 01:25:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 22:24:44 -0700 Subject: Re: live funk guitar loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <8B9B8BD9-7844-11D6-B9BD-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, June 4, 2002, at 11:46 AM, Jon Wagner wrote: > check out Redsound's micro sync. never used it, but it comes well > recommended by some. > > www.redsound.com > > repeater will do what you want as well I believe. > Jon > I've not actually tried it with a real drummer, but I compared the Repeater's bpm counter with what I knew my Roland MC-307 was spitting out, and it was amazingly on, even when I changed tempos. I tried a lot of stuff, from very shuffley hip hop stuff, to your basic techno, which I imagine is easier. Seemed to work great. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 5 01:33:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20214; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 01:30:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 01:30:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 22:30:20 -0700 Subject: Re: SV: Loopers do it repeatedly (was Re: Fw: THIS IS FOR REAL. (THIS IS A LOOP BASED MUSIC LIST!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <53CD9AB4-7845-11D6-B9BD-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, June 4, 2002, at 12:33 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > That's right. The workaround I'm using is to always record the first > track > of a loop into Repeater without playing. Then, when left and right loop > point is fixed you can proceed with gitchfree recording on any of the > four > tracks. It's a hard trick to do this in front of an audience and still > make > some musical sense... > I've had luck with this method too. What I did was prerecord blank loops that corrasponded to something like 8 bars of a drum loop I'd be looping over. It works well, because I can go right into record when the drums start (they start the blank loop with a midi message) I stopped doing this when I do shows with other musicians. Mark Sottlaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 5 02:21:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23747; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 02:19:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 02:19:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: TapeOpCon 2002 Report (and Looper Sighting) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 23:20:24 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020603203253.00b5e008@pop.charter.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey hans... just wanted to say, thanks for the tapeopcon report! i was SO wishing i went... it was really killing me... at least this way i felt like i was partially there. ;) hopefully next year i'll be able to get there. thanks! paul > -----Original Message----- > From: Hans Lindauer [mailto:armatronix@charter.net] > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 9:29 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: TapeOpCon 2002 Report (and Looper Sighting) > > > I'm just back from Sacramento, California, home of the 2002 > TapeOp Magazine > Conference. It was a very interesting and informative weekend, and it > would have been perfect if I hadn't had my rear windshield broken and my > entire CD collection and my electronic repair kit stolen out of my > car. Even so, however, it was a great time. > > Mr. Steve Albini gave the keynote address on Friday night, which > was mostly > an introduction to the Laffer Curve. The Laffer Curve is a bell-shaped > curve which essentially states that you need to keep your gear lust in > check. Someday I'd like to hear his entire speech concerning Spock's > emotional and irrational behavior during his time of Pon Farr in Episode > 23, but he only gave the first ten minutes this weekend as a way > of calling > us all a bunch of loser geeks. > > And geeks there were aplenty. The kind with glasses and pocket > protectors > and garages or spare bedrooms full of the kind of gear that puts large > studios out of business. Rules were laid out in the beginning of the > conference banning any type of analog vs. digital debate, Steely Dan > bashing, or general gear-queerness, but we still were able to > find lots to > talk about. There were excellent panel discussions on mastering, > production, studio design, and the future of recording, just to name a > few. Q&A sessions followed each panel discussion, which was very > nice. I > learned a lot during every panel. > > The event was held at the Crest Theater in downtown Sacramento, which is > the most beautiful art deco theater I may ever see. I was signed up as a > volunteer, but ended up serving as Front of House Engineer by > default. Nobody else wanted to do it, I guess, and I had nothing to > lose. Anybody who reads TapeOp will see the absurdity of mixing > FOH with a > digital console to that crowd. :) > > There were a number of great performances at night at two different > venues. I got tired and missed Calexico the first night, but caught a > couple of really good bands the second night: the Freight Train Riders > featuring one of the Fried Brothers on fiddle, and J. Mascis > playing guitar > and singing solo. Mr. Mascis is an interesting character, who happens to > be a Looper! He was using one of those Z.Vex analog looper pedals, which > I've been wondering about lately. It did indeed sound crappy, > just like in > the advertisement, but not bad as long as you don't need any tone above > about 5 KHz. I considered telling him about some higher-fidelity looping > gear, but he didn't really seem like he wanted to talk to anybody, and > besides that he's an analog guy anyway.... > > This year went really well, so I'm sure there will be another TapeOpCon > next year (not in Sacramento). I'll be there for sure, and > hopefully I'll > see some of you there as well. > > -Hans Lindauer > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 5 02:25:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23947; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 02:23:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 02:23:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013201c20c59$6db200c0$cb61f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Why I produce LOOPING FESTIVALS: is looping a valid musical artform? Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 23:22:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <5Q4IDD.A.v1F.24a_8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Fellow Loopers (and fellow artists who don't consider themselves loopers but use looping tools in their music). I've been reading with increasing interest about potential Looping Festivals in places as far flung as Emeryville, California, Seattle Washington and somewhere, mysteriously, in Germany. I've also noticed that the debate keeps coming up about whether LOOPING should be considered a separate musical artform or whether such festivals are "legitimate" or not. Indeed, in the past, I have spiritedly debated this with our list coordinator (but NOT leader) the esteemed and talented, Kim Flint. I can't answer that question for anybody. Each person needs to have their own take on it and figure out where they stand, but I have produced 14 Looping specific Festivals in Northern California in the last three years (with several festivals in the works for later this summer and next year) and I thought it might be good to let everybody know why I am working as hard as I am to promote the cause of LOOPING. I am making NO MONEY doing any of it directly (although more on that subject later ;-). With regards to the debate about Looping as an artform or Looping as merely a tool that individual artists use in their works: Music is music and obviously with the diversity of styles and types of musics on this looping site alone (from Tom Heasley's gorgeous Tuba mantras to Richard Zvonar's sample manipulations to Andre LaFosse's brilliant abstract guitar excursions to my wacky 'found sound' aesthetic to Stan Card's surf rock grooves to Steve Lawson's wonderfully melodic and crazy electric bass mantras, we can't consider Looping to be a 'form' of music. Why then, for god's sake, do I produce Looping Festivals? Here's the answer: 1) I want to foster community.................something sadly lacking in our culture............... Calling ourselves loopers creates a sense of family and belonging. This feeling was very palpable, as I'm sure anyone who was there would agree, at Hans LIndauers' LOOPSTOCK in San Luis Obispo.................enough so that Larry O graciously wrote us up in Electronic Musician last month. 2) Journalists and Radio DJs are sick of the status quo................we have not been in such a horrible static slump in mainstream pop music in almost 30 years. Calling attention to the new technology, Looping, both educates and gives journalists and radio/televison dj/vjs a handle................it makes them feel like they are part of the cutting edge.............it gets great publicity: I'm performed on air to a million people for a total of about 3 1/2 hours in the last three years because of my efforts to promote 'looping'................... You just can't get that kind of exposure any other way as someone who is 'out of the box' (the dominant, major label paradigm that has strangled creativity for so long). 3) I'm so invested, personally (and I think we should all be as independent artists) in exiting that box (lawyers, contracts, distributors, labels and usury in general). Being part of a new 'movement', such as it is, is just a way of identifying with something that doesn't have a strong precedent..........It's a way of getting people's attention that something 'new' is coming. People are starved for new creativity. Mark my words, the next 3-5 years will see a new musical explosion even in major label pop because people are so starved for something outside of the Major Label paradigm. 4) Just having something tangible (the label LOOPING) to identify with has gotten me offers to do musuem gigs, festivals, tours, soundtracks, modern dance commissions and resulted in several artistic successes. Two cases in point: A) The World's First Bass Looping Tour featuring bassists Michael Manring, Steve Lawson, Max Valentino and myself (as the only bass playing non-bass player on the tour enabled us to play a 30 minute set on KPIG, the worlds' largest internet radio station.......2 weeks later, the head of TALKBASS.com e-mailed me and told me that mentioning his website and the tour diary that we posted every night after each cities' performance had caused 20% raise in the hits to his site and that his website traffic had stayed up consitently for at least the next two weeks. He was very appreciative and I felt very proud of all the artists who participate in that. B) The success of this tour's performance so excited the director of the San Jose Museum of Art that they have subsequently hired me to curate a whole series of shows that showcase emerging trends and technologies in both Music and Live Video Animation. This has already resulted in the planning of the 1ST WOMAN's LOOPING FESTIVAL on Friday, October 4th, the FESTIVAL of LIVE COMPUTER ANIMATION, where top artists in this field will be 'jamming' visually with the loop based music of WALKERS (my duet project with my brother, Bill Walker) and subsequent BASS LOOPING festivals and festivals of Experimental Guitar. 5) This new technology is allowing certain kinds of music to be made that has never been possible before and , certainly, never by one human being.................I can do really 'outside' timbral things and suddenly incorporate them into a pop song in real time, if I want.................Some of the work being done with Repeaters, EDPs, MAX/Dsp and !LIVE computer looping software is unlike any other music that I have heard from one or two performers. For the first time ever, I can sample or loop a found object right in front of an audiences face and then 'play' that sample like a melodic instrument with my wind synthesizer (or any other midi controller: guitarists, synthesists, drummer/percussionists take note). Heretofore, audiences have not been able to connect strongly with how much the sampling world has effected modern music. 6) I learn like a m*therf*cker every time I do a festival with other loopers. I get my creative juices stimulated incredibly. I produce better 'art' when I perform at a festival. That's why I produce Looping Festivals..................in what other way would I successfully be able to promote a concert with myself and , say, a genius like Tom Heasley..........what do we have in common: LOOPING!!! We are in the baby stages of learning this technology (or at least, I am) and in learning how to 'put it out' to the world in a viable way. Vis a viz, making money with Looping, as far as I can see, it cannot be done much yet, but it is only a matter of time. So what I shoot for is: 1) not losing too much money with a tour (I have a 12 country solo looping tour scheduled for Europe and the British Isles for next summer (2003). I 2) making as big a splash as possible by aggresively connecting to indedpendent, pirate and college radio DJs and journalists 3) Always roping in one to several other artists (usually loopers in my particular case) to a) double or quadruple our draw and b) create a sense of community c) save expense money by scoring 'floors' to sleep on :-) d) meet and collaborate with new artists (I'm an improviser, so I love to do two solo sets and then a set of imrpov at nights' end) Those are my thoughts on the subject. To anyone who is remotely considering putting on a looping festival in their locale, please consider me a source for moral support and/or advice/information about what I"ve learned to make these events have maximum impact. To those of you who grumble and say "I don't care what he says, Looping is not a musical form" I say, so be it................no need to compromise your values and aesthetics..............but it is o.k. to let us naive ones' have our fun, right? Also, I would invite you to come to the after performance dinner (or breakfast as in the case of Loopstock) and soak up a little of the wonderful and exciting artistic giddiness and vibes that happen there. After Loopstock, I was brimming with so many ideas for new things to do that I'm afraid I wore my poor brothers ear off on the 3 hour trip home...........I was high for weeks.........I'll bet others were as well (thanks so much Hans). Do I reveal myself for the idealistic, communalist, aging hippy that I am? DAMN STRAIGHT!!!!! Loop on my friends and go get 'em Emeryville, Seattle, Chicago, New York, Germany, Wales, London, Paris and anyother place that is considering having a looping festival. yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 5 02:56:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25872; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 02:54:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 02:54:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Why I produce LOOPING FESTIVALS: is looping a valid musical artform? Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 08:53:43 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <013201c20c59$6db200c0$cb61f93f@global> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL [mailto:GLOBAL@cruzio.com] > Dear Fellow Loopers..... That's a brilliant manifesto, Rick! It inspired me to take a new view on this music, and the ways to get it out and into peoples ears. Before I considered my own music being "improvised music" or eventually "experimental" (looping is just another tool/instrument in the concept) but, as you say, there is a great promotional value in calling it "looping music". Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ http://loopboy.tk www.boysen.se www.upsweden.com www.fuzz.se From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 5 03:06:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA27473; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 03:05:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 03:05:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020605000515.04cd3de8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 00:06:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Turntablist Guitar (Part 1) In-Reply-To: <3CFC5D6B.8D43EA5A@altruistmusic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Andre- listened to this at work today. I have to say, you rock. or spin. or whatever, it's good. blown away, kim At 11:25 PM 6/3/2002, Andre LaFosse wrote: >Dear list, > >Here's some LoopIV sounds for you. > >1) Funk meditation. >http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/asana.mp3 > >2) A bit of old skool hip hop. Word. >http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/alignment.mp3 > >3) Polyrhythmic Industrial by Hallmark. >http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/generator.mp3 > >4) Glitch-core gets some dancing shows. >http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/glitch.mp3 > >5) A dark, heavy thing. Dude. >http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/insinuation.mp3 > >6) Cruising in your space car. >http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/umbra.mp3 > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 5 03:10:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA27686; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 03:07:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 03:07:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: time signature changes in LoopIV Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:07:23 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020604203641.0249c110@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >I believe that you can indeed do this, by using presets (although I > >haven't tried it yet). > > > >-Hans > > > Too bad you cannot change > > > "8th/cycle" by midi with the new EDP loop4 OS. How cool would > it be to step > > > on a EDP button that kicks the Repeater into polyrhythmics!!! > > > > > > Per Boysen > Hans is correct, the expected way to do this in LoopIV is by setting the > values you want as a preset and changing it with a midi program > change command. > > kim Oh... That's brilliant! I didn't find this in the preliminary manual I was sent as an email. But now I got hold of a full PDF manual and will be checking it out deeply. I'm also supposed to write an EDP review for the Swedish guitar player mag FUZZ, so I'm checking out LoopIV not only from my own perpective as a musician/user. Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ http://loopboy.tk www.boysen.se www.upsweden.com www.fuzz.se From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 5 04:14:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA30902; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 04:12:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 04:12:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:11:08 +0200 Subject: Re: Why I produce LOOPING FESTIVALS: is looping a valid musical artform? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <013201c20c59$6db200c0$cb61f93f@global> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, June 5, 2002, at 08:22 AM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > and somewhere, mysteriously, in Germany. I'm in France, which is not so far away. Does anyone have any info about this? Where? When? etc. etc. :) -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 5 08:42:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17489; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 08:40:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 08:40:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: time signature changes in LoopIV Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 07:39:57 -0500 Message-ID: <027201c20c8e$1999bbb0$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is the LoopIV PDF manual available for download somewhere? Thanks, Steve > manual I was sent as an email. But now I got hold of a full > PDF manual and will be checking it out deeply. I'm also > supposed to write an EDP review for the Swedish guitar player > mag FUZZ, so I'm checking out LoopIV not only from my own > perpective as a musician/user. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 5 08:49:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17817; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 08:47:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 08:47:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: Tap Tempo with EDP Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 07:47:09 -0500 Message-ID: <027301c20c8f$1b2a5150$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020604203641.0249c110@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What is the best way to manage Tap Tempo in a system? Is it better to use an Eventide Eclipse (or any effects processor for that matter) or is it better to use the EDP as the main source? Thanks, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 5 09:30:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20893; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:27:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:27:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020605132704.4616.qmail@web20506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:27:04 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Christophe=20Gragnic?= Subject: midi loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-50857001-1023283624=:4474" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-50857001-1023283624=:4474 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello every body, this is my first mail to the Looooooooplist ! I am looking for a midi looper. A tool that would not sample an audio source, but store midi events. I know that good sequencers can do that, but I want a small and cheap one. Does someone know this kind of thing ? --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! --0-50857001-1023283624=:4474 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hello every body, this is my first mail to the Looooooooplist !

I am looking for a midi looper. A tool that would not sample an audio source, but store midi events.

I know that good sequencers can do that, but I want a small and cheap one.

Does someone know this kind of thing ?



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--0-50857001-1023283624=:4474-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 5 09:49:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22679; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:47:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:47:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] From: "The Weg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why I produce LOOPING FESTIVALS: is looping a valid musical artform? Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 09:46:12 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2002 13:46:12.0952 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B33ED80:01C20C97] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for those inspiring words Rick. I hope to someday have a Loopfest in Charleston, WV. If you or any other loopers are this way and want to improv or just need a place to stay please email me! West Virginia is Wild and Wonderful! Weg From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Why I produce LOOPING FESTIVALS: is looping a valid musical artform? Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 23:22:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [207.228.238.9] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBEC6F94400754136E852CFE4EE090A050; Tue, 04 Jun 2002 23:23:20 -0700 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23924;Wed, 5 Jun 2002 02:22:46 -0400 >From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue, 04 Jun 2002 23:24:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 02:22:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013201c20c59$6db200c0$cb61f93f@global> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <5Q4IDD.A.v1F.24a_8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Fellow Loopers (and fellow artists who don't consider themselves loopers but use looping tools in their music). I've been reading with increasing interest about potential Looping Festivals in places as far flung as Emeryville, California, Seattle Washington and somewhere, mysteriously, in Germany. I've also noticed that the debate keeps coming up about whether LOOPING should be considered a separate musical artform or whether such festivals are "legitimate" or not. Indeed, in the past, I have spiritedly debated this with our list coordinator (but NOT leader) the esteemed and talented, Kim Flint. I can't answer that question for anybody. Each person needs to have their own take on it and figure out where they stand, but I have produced 14 Looping specific Festivals in Northern California in the last three years (with several festivals in the works for later this summer and next year) and I thought it might be good to let everybody know why I am working as hard as I am to promote the cause of LOOPING. I am making NO MONEY doing any of it directly (although more on that subject later ;-). With regards to the debate about Looping as an artform or Looping as merely a tool that individual artists use in their works: Music is music and obviously with the diversity of styles and types of musics on this looping site alone (from Tom Heasley's gorgeous Tuba mantras to Richard Zvonar's sample manipulations to Andre LaFosse's brilliant abstract guitar excursions to my wacky 'found sound' aesthetic to Stan Card's surf rock grooves to Steve Lawson's wonderfully melodic and crazy electric bass mantras, we can't consider Looping to be a 'form' of music. Why then, for god's sake, do I produce Looping Festivals? Here's the answer: 1) I want to foster community.................something sadly lacking in our culture............... Calling ourselves loopers creates a sense of family and belonging. This feeling was very palpable, as I'm sure anyone who was there would agree, at Hans LIndauers' LOOPSTOCK in San Luis Obispo.................enough so that Larry O graciously wrote us up in Electronic Musician last month. 2) Journalists and Radio DJs are sick of the status quo................we have not been in such a horrible static slump in mainstream pop music in almost 30 years. Calling attention to the new technology, Looping, both educates and gives journalists and radio/televison dj/vjs a handle................it makes them feel like they are part of the cutting edge.............it gets great publicity: I'm performed on air to a million people for a total of about 3 1/2 hours in the last three years because of my efforts to promote 'looping'................... You just can't get that kind of exposure any other way as someone who is 'out of the box' (the dominant, major label paradigm that has strangled creativity for so long). 3) I'm so invested, personally (and I think we should all be as independent artists) in exiting that box (lawyers, contracts, distributors, labels and usury in general). Being part of a new 'movement', such as it is, is just a way of identifying with something that doesn't have a strong precedent..........It's a way of getting people's attention that something 'new' is coming. People are starved for new creativity. Mark my words, the next 3-5 years will see a new musical explosion even in major label pop because people are so starved for something outside of the Major Label paradigm. 4) Just having something tangible (the label LOOPING) to identify with has gotten me offers to do musuem gigs, festivals, tours, soundtracks, modern dance commissions and resulted in several artistic successes. Two cases in point: A) The World's First Bass Looping Tour featuring bassists Michael Manring, Steve Lawson, Max Valentino and myself (as the only bass playing non-bass player on the tour enabled us to play a 30 minute set on KPIG, the worlds' largest internet radio station.......2 weeks later, the head of TALKBASS.com e-mailed me and told me that mentioning his website and the tour diary that we posted every night after each cities' performance had caused 20% raise in the hits to his site and that his website traffic had stayed up consitently for at least the next two weeks. He was very appreciative and I felt very proud of all the artists who participate in that. B) The success of this tour's performance so excited the director of the San Jose Museum of Art that they have subsequently hired me to curate a whole series of shows that showcase emerging trends and technologies in both Music and Live Video Animation. This has already resulted in the planning of the 1ST WOMAN's LOOPING FESTIVAL on Friday, October 4th, the FESTIVAL of LIVE COMPUTER ANIMATION, where top artists in this field will be 'jamming' visually with the loop based music of WALKERS (my duet project with my brother, Bill Walker) and subsequent BASS LOOPING festivals and festivals of Experimental Guitar. 5) This new technology is allowing certain kinds of music to be made that has never been possible before and , certainly, never by one human being.................I can do really 'outside' timbral things and suddenly incorporate them into a pop song in real time, if I want.................Some of the work being done with Repeaters, EDPs, MAX/Dsp and !LIVE computer looping software is unlike any other music that I have heard from one or two performers. For the first time ever, I can sample or loop a found object right in front of an audiences face and then 'play' that sample like a melodic instrument with my wind synthesizer (or any other midi controller: guitarists, synthesists, drummer/percussionists take note). Heretofore, audiences have not been able to connect strongly with how much the sampling world has effected modern music. 6) I learn like a m*therf*cker every time I do a festival with other loopers. I get my creative juices stimulated incredibly. I produce better 'art' when I perform at a festival. That's why I produce Looping Festivals..................in what other way would I successfully be able to promote a concert with myself and , say, a genius like Tom Heasley..........what do we have in common: LOOPING!!! We are in the baby stages of learning this technology (or at least, I am) and in learning how to 'put it out' to the world in a viable way. Vis a viz, making money with Looping, as far as I can see, it cannot be done much yet, but it is only a matter of time. So what I shoot for is: 1) not losing too much money with a tour (I have a 12 country solo looping tour scheduled for Europe and the British Isles for next summer (2003). I 2) making as big a splash as possible by aggresively connecting to indedpendent, pirate and college radio DJs and journalists 3) Always roping in one to several other artists (usually loopers in my particular case) to a) double or quadruple our draw and b) create a sense of community c) save expense money by scoring 'floors' to sleep on :-) d) meet and collaborate with new artists (I'm an improviser, so I love to do two solo sets and then a set of imrpov at nights' end) Those are my thoughts on the subject. To anyone who is remotely considering putting on a looping festival in their locale, please consider me a source for moral support and/or advice/information about what I"ve learned to make these events have maximum impact. To those of you who grumble and say "I don't care what he says, Looping is not a musical form" I say, so be it................no need to compromise your values and aesthetics..............but it is o.k. to let us naive ones' have our fun, right? Also, I would invite you to come to the after performance dinner (or breakfast as in the case of Loopstock) and soak up a little of the wonderful and exciting artistic giddiness and vibes that happen there. After Loopstock, I was brimming with so many ideas for new things to do that I'm afraid I wore my poor brothers ear off on the 3 hour trip home...........I was high for weeks.........I'll bet others were as well (thanks so much Hans). Do I reveal myself for the idealistic, communalist, aging hippy that I am? DAMN STRAIGHT!!!!! Loop on my friends and go get 'em Emeryville, Seattle, Chicago, New York, Germany, Wales, London, Paris and anyother place that is considering having a looping festival. yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 5 09:51:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22422; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:44:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:44:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02b901c20c96$f1844380$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <013201c20c59$6db200c0$cb61f93f@global> Subject: Re: Why I produce LOOPING FESTIVALS: is looping a valid musical artform? Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 08:43:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <_qiEtC.A.cdF.SWh_8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick, you are a constant inspiration! May your enthusiasm be highly contagious! Thanks for the posting! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:22 AM Subject: Why I produce LOOPING FESTIVALS: is looping a valid musical artform? > Dear Fellow Loopers (and fellow artists who don't consider themselves > loopers but use looping tools in their music). > > I've been reading with increasing interest about potential Looping Festivals > in places as far flung as Emeryville, California, > Seattle Washington and somewhere, mysteriously, in Germany. > > I've also noticed that the debate keeps coming up about whether LOOPING > should be considered a separate musical artform > or whether such festivals are "legitimate" or not. Indeed, in the past, I > have spiritedly debated this with our list coordinator (but > NOT leader) the esteemed and talented, Kim Flint. > > I can't answer that question for anybody. Each person needs to have their > own take on it and figure out where they stand, > but I have produced 14 Looping specific Festivals in Northern California in > the last three years (with several festivals in the works for later this > summer and next year) and I thought it might be good to let everybody know > why I am working as hard as I am to promote the cause of LOOPING. I am > making NO MONEY doing any of it directly (although more on that subject > later ;-). > > With regards to the debate about Looping as an artform or Looping as merely > a tool that individual artists use in their works: > > Music is music and obviously with the diversity of styles and types of > musics on this looping site alone (from Tom Heasley's gorgeous Tuba > mantras to Richard Zvonar's sample manipulations to Andre LaFosse's > brilliant abstract guitar excursions to my wacky 'found sound' aesthetic to > Stan Card's surf rock grooves > to Steve Lawson's wonderfully melodic and crazy electric bass mantras, we > can't consider > Looping to be a 'form' of music. > > Why then, for god's sake, do I produce Looping Festivals? > > Here's the answer: > > 1) I want to foster community.................something sadly lacking in > our culture............... > > Calling ourselves loopers creates a sense of family and belonging. > This feeling was very palpable, as I'm sure anyone who was there would > agree, at > Hans LIndauers' LOOPSTOCK in San Luis Obispo.................enough so that > Larry O graciously wrote us up in Electronic Musician last month. > > 2) Journalists and Radio DJs are sick of the status quo................we > have not been in such a horrible static slump in mainstream > pop music in almost 30 years. Calling attention to the new technology, > Looping, both educates and gives journalists and radio/televison dj/vjs a > handle................it makes them feel like they are part of the cutting > edge.............it gets great publicity: > I'm performed on air to a million people for a total of about 3 1/2 hours > in > the last three years because of my efforts to promote > 'looping'................... > > You just can't get that kind of exposure any > other way as someone who is 'out of the box' (the dominant, major label > paradigm that has strangled creativity for so long). > > 3) I'm so invested, personally (and I think we should all be as > independent > artists) in exiting that box (lawyers, contracts, distributors, labels and > usury in general). Being part of a new 'movement', such as it is, is just > a way of identifying with something that doesn't have a strong > precedent..........It's a way of getting people's attention that something > 'new' is coming. People are starved for new creativity. Mark my words, > the next 3-5 years will see a new musical explosion even in major label pop > because people are so starved for something outside of the Major Label > paradigm. > > 4) Just having something tangible (the label LOOPING) to identify with has > gotten me offers to do musuem gigs, festivals, tours, > soundtracks, modern dance commissions and resulted in several artistic > successes. > > Two cases in point: > > A) The World's First Bass Looping Tour featuring bassists Michael > Manring, Steve Lawson, Max Valentino > and myself (as the only bass playing non-bass player on the tour enabled us > to > play a 30 minute set on KPIG, the worlds' largest internet radio > station.......2 weeks later, the head of TALKBASS.com > e-mailed me and told me that mentioning his website and the tour diary that > we posted every night after each cities' performance > had caused 20% raise in the hits to his site and that his website traffic > had stayed up consitently for at least the next two weeks. > He was very appreciative and I felt very proud of all the artists who > participate in that. > > B) The success of this tour's performance so excited the director of the > San Jose Museum of Art that they have subsequently > hired me to curate a whole series of shows that showcase emerging trends and > technologies in both Music and Live Video > Animation. This has already resulted in the planning of the 1ST WOMAN's > LOOPING FESTIVAL on Friday, October 4th, > the FESTIVAL of LIVE COMPUTER ANIMATION, where top artists in this field > will be 'jamming' visually with the loop based music > of WALKERS (my duet project with my brother, Bill Walker) and subsequent > BASS LOOPING festivals and festivals of Experimental Guitar. > > > 5) This new technology is allowing certain kinds of > music to be made that has never been possible before > and , certainly, never by one human being.................I can do really > 'outside' timbral things and suddenly incorporate them into > a pop song in real time, if I want.................Some of the work being > done > with Repeaters, EDPs, MAX/Dsp and !LIVE computer looping software > is unlike any other music that I have heard from one or two performers. > > For the first time ever, I can sample or loop a found object right in front > of an > audiences face and then 'play' that sample like a melodic instrument with > my wind synthesizer (or any other midi controller: guitarists, synthesists, > drummer/percussionists > take note). Heretofore, audiences have not been able to > connect strongly with how much the sampling world has effected modern music. > > 6) I learn like a m*therf*cker every time I do a festival with other > loopers. I get my creative juices > stimulated incredibly. I produce better 'art' when I perform at a festival. > > That's why I produce Looping Festivals..................in what other way > would I successfully be able to > promote a concert with myself and , say, a genius like Tom > Heasley..........what do we have in common: > LOOPING!!! > > > We are in the baby stages of learning this technology (or at least, I am) > and in learning how > to 'put it out' to the world in a viable way. > > Vis a viz, making money with Looping, as far as I can see, it cannot be > done much yet, but it is only a matter > of time. > > So what I shoot for is: > > 1) not losing too much money with a tour (I have a 12 country solo looping > tour scheduled for Europe and the British Isles for > next summer (2003). I > > 2) making as big a splash as possible by aggresively connecting to > indedpendent, pirate and college radio DJs and journalists > > 3) Always roping in one to several other artists (usually loopers in my > particular case) to > a) double or quadruple our draw and > b) create a sense of community > c) save expense money by scoring 'floors' to sleep on :-) > d) meet and collaborate with new artists (I'm an improviser, so I love > to do two solo sets and then a set of imrpov at nights' end) > > Those are my thoughts on the subject. To anyone who is remotely > considering putting on a looping festival > in their locale, please consider me a source for moral support and/or > advice/information about what I"ve learned > to make these events have maximum impact. > > To those of you who grumble and say "I don't care what he says, Looping is > not a musical form" I say, > so be it................no need to compromise your values and > aesthetics..............but it is o.k. to let > us naive ones' have our fun, right? Also, I would invite you to come to > the after performance dinner > (or breakfast as in the case of Loopstock) and soak up a little of the > wonderful and exciting artistic > giddiness and vibes that happen there. After Loopstock, I was brimming > with so many ideas for > new things to do that I'm afraid I wore my poor brothers ear off on the 3 > hour trip home...........I was high for > weeks.........I'll bet others were as well (thanks so much Hans). > > Do I reveal myself for the idealistic, communalist, aging hippy that I am? > DAMN STRAIGHT!!!!! > > Loop on my friends and go get 'em Emeryville, Seattle, Chicago, New York, > Germany, Wales, London, Paris and anyother > place that is considering having a looping festival. > > yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 5 09:54:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23260; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:52:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:52:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:51:28 +0200 Subject: (Loopfest bandwagon) - French loopers? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5542F0EC-788B-11D6-9EBB-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I just had an email from another looper called Andy, who I've found out lives just 5 minutes away by metro in Paris!!! Are there any other French loopers? Or European loopers that might be willing to travel to Paris for a fest? If I can get enough people interested, I think finding a venue will not be that difficult. -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 5 10:33:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26442; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:27:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:27:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:28:45 -0400 To: ambient@hyperreal.org From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video performance 6.8.02 Cambridge, MA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'll be doing video improvisations at the following event, which features the outstanding Joe Manieri on reeds. subconsciouscafe concert series @ BOSTON DANCE CO presents a ZEITGEIST IN EXILE event Saturday, 8 June 10pm - TOM HALTER'S POPULAR TRIO featuring JOE MANERI 9pm - From NYC: GOLD SPARKLE DUO with STEVE DALACHINSKY Location: Boston Dance Co. 550 Mass Ave, 3rd fl. Central Sq, Cambridge (4 doors right of Dance Complex) $10 or b/o Doors @ 8pm byo 617.876.2182 Personnel: 10pm TOM HALTER POPULAR TRIO Tom Halter - trumpet Joe Maneri - piano, altosax, clarinet Rick McGlaughlin - bass 9pm From NYC: GOLD SPARKLE DUO Charles Waters - alto & clarinet Roger Ruzow - trumpet Steve Dalachinsky - poetry VIDEO by Dr.T -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 5 11:26:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30730; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:24:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:24:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CFE2647.28EB5F18@HelpWantedProductions.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 10:55:03 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Analogue Heaven , "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: FS: Osciloscope (again, kinda) References: <20020605101618.B27081@bcr4.uwaterloo.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > What is the make and model of an Oscilloscope that is considered *good quality* and at the same time somewhat economical. I dont need somthing that costs in the range of 10G's but would consider buying somthing to do what is quoted above. > It honestly doesn't matter. For simple synth work an old tube-based scope is fine, so long as it works. Dual trace is nice but not essential, and you don't need crazy bandwidth for audio signals. Well in that case someone here might want this one... I have an nice old tube Oscilloscope sitting in my office. It turns on and works fine although to be 100% honest I never did wild stuff with it outside of patching in the modulars to see the pretty waveforms and lights. It's your standard Oscilloscope with XY planes and about a 4-6" round window with lime green display. There is a adjustable under light, various settings for range of the axis's (What's the plural of axis ?), etc etc. Even has a Z plane. I have $35 into it and that's what I'd want plus shipping or pickup in Phila PA (That would be great). It looks cool as hell bubbling away in a studio but I recently upgraded to a newer one I got as a present so this is feeling lonely and could use a better home. I'll turn it on before boxing it up and run it through it's paces and pack it extremely well. However due to it's age and all I'm selling it AS IS and the low low low price reflects that. Pictures: http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/eh/osc1.jpg http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/eh/osc2.jpg Sold to the first person to offer a cool trade or the $35 plus actual shipping (it's kinda heavy) and confirm via phone so send a # to speed things up. I can take paypal from confirmed buyers if that helps. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 5 12:05:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01324; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:04:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:04:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 11:01:09 +0800 Subject: how bout a southern loop fest From: Darrell Havard To: looper delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com all this talk of looping festivals makes me wonder if we should have one in the south. of course I'm partially kidding. Just trying to flush out any loopers on the list that are from the south, other than myself and mr fowler. It would be kinda cool though. Loopin' southern style. we'll try not to get fried chicken grease all over your gear. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 5 12:47:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03535; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:46:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:46:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CFE40A9.4BA0B24E@HelpWantedProductions.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 12:47:37 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Looping is overrated :) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK forgive the baiting title but there is a point to this. From all the recent discussions on moving to somewhere else because the "loop community" seems stronger, to Loopfests and such I felt I had to pipe up. The greatest music I have heard from loopers (from the Looper's Delight CDs to recommendations in posting from Phil Keaggy to David Zorn) seems to me to be good *despite* looping, not because of it. Now don't get me wrong, I am all for looping and looping tools, and repetition, and messing with sound backwards, sideways, and again and again in-yo-face. I think my personal track record (for those of you who know me LOL) speaks for itself. BUT I personally feel that looping *itself* isn't the point, even on a list of people called the Looper's Delight. It's what you DO with looping and boy there is some *great* stuff done with looping out there. This may be stating the obvious but the gist I was getting is some people feel that they need to go somewhere where looping is encouraged or more prevalent and things would be different for them. I think that is a red herring. Loop where you are and DO something YOU want to do with it. Let's face it, looping and looping tools are pretty damn geeky as a rule. We don't do this for the money or glamour, we do it because our brains are wired differently (wrong? :)) Given that, you don't need to move across the country to be "successful" in looping or even play a gig with three or ten other loopers. As a matter of fact I've found more success when I *didn't* play with other loopers but as part of a diverse lineup of other acts. You reach more people that way and some of them even kind of dig it. I personally think I played better too. Phil Keaggy is consider an amazing *musician* not known to the general public as a looper. Adrian Belew uses looping out the wazoo but he also has a strong pop sensibility and tremendous talent as a songwriter and singer. Etc. People do fabulous things with all sorts of boxes. Buying an EDP or Jamman or whatever or seeing a band with one doesn't mean it'll be interesting or good or shite, it's just a box after all. Let's not forget where the loop soul comes from. Again, I am ALL for wanking and looping for the sake of it too. (Lord knows I am!) That is fun and has it's place as much as anything else. But let's keep it in perspective, we can (and DO ) do that anywhere. You don't HAVE to move or congregate to play. If you mix it up or play with other bands I guarantee you will not only get a bigger audience but you'll find your loop chops improving as well. And BTW Chicago is the GREATEST musical community this country has to offer IMO. I'd move from SF to there instead of the other way around LOL! ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 5 13:09:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06323; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:08:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:08:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: Swedish sound clips Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 19:07:17 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.boysen.se/audio/No_Talking_Drum_I.mp3 1 MB http://www.boysen.se/audio/No_Talking_Drum_II.mp3 3,2 MB http://www.boysen.se/audio/No_Talking_Drum_III.mp3 1,3 MB Hi All, For those who might be interested in checking out the music of other loopers I'm posting three short excerpts from a gig I did this Sunday. I brought my little Casio DAT and recorded the 38 minutes improvisation. Sound source: Fender Strat/POD/EDP/Repeater/LXP-5. I was joined on stage by my Nigerian friend Jeff on talking drum but unfortunately very little of his drumming got recorded (technical problems). I tried to recreate his input by adding another drum track afterwards, using Logic Audio. No editing were done to the guitar looping rig, I left it exactly the way it sounded at the venue. Best wishes Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 5 13:10:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06455; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:09:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:09:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <3CFE40A9.4BA0B24E@HelpWantedProductions.com> Subject: Re: Looping is overrated :) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:09:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2002 17:08:37.0218 (UTC) FILETIME=[A1BFDC20:01C20CB3] Resent-Message-ID: <9L9MaC.A.ojB.zWk_8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > OK forgive the baiting title but there is a point to this. From all the > recent discussions on moving to somewhere else because the "loop > community" seems stronger, to Loopfests and such I felt I had to pipe > up. > .... Ok, I've got to pipe up here. I view a looper as a tool for making music. I also view a guitar as a tool for making music. I also view a set of tabla drums as a tool for making music. Now if I want to learn to play the tabla, I mean really learn to play the tabla; would you tell me that its useless to move to India? That I can learn everything I need to know to make music by staying right where I am and playing tabla at clubs along with guitar players, and conga drummers???? Humans are by nature very creative beings. However each person has there own way of looking at things, and interaction with others - especially other people who have more experience - can really shape a person's outlook. This is why I have really valued the two looping festivals, and un-countable private loop jams that I have had the pleasure taking part in. jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 5 13:39:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08798; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:37:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:37:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 10:40:14 -0700 From: Miko Biffle Subject: Re: Why I produce LOOPING FESTIVALS: is looping a valid musical artform? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001a01c20cb8$0d02d380$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <013201c20c59$6db200c0$cb61f93f@global> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Rick... Since you've posted this thread, I thought I might comment on community. You recently asked me to take part in both the San Jose Museum looping demonstrations as well as a short set at the Cayuga Vault. In both instances you said you'd get back to me with the specifics of both gigs. Recently you alluded to my volume level as a possible concern and said the last *two* times I was incredibly loud. I WAS incredibly loud at the Bulkhead Gallery and expected that you would manage the front of house level as you did for the other performers. Leaving it at that level and attributing it to me seems wrong. I DID turn down where I could at my mixer and continued playing. I had graciously offered my system as monitors for the rest of the performers and had to re-stage the gain structure to allow for nearly everyone's dismal -3 or less db level... when it came to my set, I fired up at my usual +3-+5 db and guess what? Heavy volume... If you're talking about my processing at the Voice and Electronics Fest... I DID use some grating textures, some very dry, which does *sound* loud. I also remember actively listening and watching you and responding to any of your cues immediately. So I'm not sure if this was the case, but if this wasn't the gig, what were you referring to? Did the Cayuga benefit happen? If so, I'm sorry I wasn't informed and brought up to date on my playing times etc. That's if I was still invited... I'm getting the feeling I was excluded due to some perception problems and wonder if there's anything I can actually do to alter that perception. If not, I would be sad to somehow find myself outside the accepted roster of performers you choose to work with. Yours truly, -Miko ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 11:22 PM Subject: Why I produce LOOPING FESTIVALS: is looping a valid musical artform? > 1) I want to foster community.... something sadly lacking in > our culture.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 5 13:41:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09088; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:40:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:40:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:37:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.telcogurus.com To: Jon Wagner cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping is overrated :) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Ok, I've got to pipe up here. I view a looper as a tool for making music. > I also view a guitar as a tool for making music. I also view a set of tabla > drums as a tool for making music. Now if I want to learn to play the tabla, > I mean really learn to play the tabla; would you tell me that its useless > to move to India? That I can learn everything I need to know to make music > by staying right where I am and playing tabla at clubs along with guitar > players, and conga drummers???? Nope, I'd say go for it if that's what you wanted to do. But I think learning from classical masters in a centuries old world culture is *very* different than going to SF or Charlotte or Charleston for "looping". Then again, maybe not, you make a good point certainly. > people who have more experience - can really shape a person's outlook. This > is why I have really valued the two looping festivals, and un-countable > private loop jams that I have had the pleasure taking part in. No arguement here. I perfectly agree that you can learn and enjoy and of course each person gets different things. I don't ewant to discourage loopfests or the like, I just wanted to state that IMO they should be in *addition* to other stuff not as a substitute or be all end all. Tehn again, that *is* my opinion and I have no porblem with anyone doing what they enjoy with music. Hell, I hope to loop with a bunch of you again some time too :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 5 13:52:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10171; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:51:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:51:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 10:53:54 -0700 From: Miko Biffle Subject: Re: Why I produce LOOPING FESTIVALS: is looping a valid musical artform? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000e01c20cb9$f5d2a120$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ouch... I'm such a bozo... this last missive was obviously meant to be a private reply to Rick. Apologies to all, and especially Rick. I HATE my mailer... -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 5 13:58:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10636; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:57:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:57:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 10:59:10 -0700 Subject: Re: 1st EMERYVILLE LOOPING FESTIVAL? From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not that anyone has actually volunteered to arrange this thing, but I'd probably be up for playing. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 5 14:41:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14072; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 14:39:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 14:39:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c20d60$dfc5d120$edb55e18@kc.rr.com> From: "savior-onasis" To: References: <3CFE40A9.4BA0B24E@HelpWantedProductions.com> Subject: Re: Looping is overrated :) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 13:48:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Let's face it, looping and looping tools are pretty damn geeky as a rule. We don't do this for the money or glamour..." Now you tell me! ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Legion" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:47 PM Subject: Looping is overrated :) > OK forgive the baiting title but there is a point to this. From all the > recent discussions on moving to somewhere else because the "loop > community" seems stronger, to Loopfests and such I felt I had to pipe > up. > > The greatest music I have heard from loopers (from the Looper's Delight > CDs to recommendations in posting from Phil Keaggy to David Zorn) seems > to me to be good *despite* looping, not because of it. Now don't get me > wrong, I am all for looping and looping tools, and repetition, and > messing with sound backwards, sideways, and again and again in-yo-face. > I think my personal track record (for those of you who know me LOL) > speaks for itself. BUT I personally feel that looping *itself* isn't the > point, even on a list of people called the Looper's Delight. It's what > you DO with looping and boy there is some *great* stuff done with > looping out there. > > This may be stating the obvious but the gist I was getting is some > people feel that they need to go somewhere where looping is encouraged > or more prevalent and things would be different for them. I think that > is a red herring. Loop where you are and DO something YOU want to do > with it. Let's face it, looping and looping tools are pretty damn geeky > as a rule. We don't do this for the money or glamour, we do it because > our brains are wired differently (wrong? :)) Given that, you don't need > to move across the country to be "successful" in looping or even play a > gig with three or ten other loopers. As a matter of fact I've found more > success when I *didn't* play with other loopers but as part of a diverse > lineup of other acts. You reach more people that way and some of them > even kind of dig it. I personally think I played better too. > > Phil Keaggy is consider an amazing *musician* not known to the general > public as a looper. Adrian Belew uses looping out the wazoo but he also > has a strong pop sensibility and tremendous talent as a songwriter and > singer. Etc. People do fabulous things with all sorts of boxes. Buying > an EDP or Jamman or whatever or seeing a band with one doesn't mean > it'll be interesting or good or shite, it's just a box after all. Let's > not forget where the loop soul comes from. > > Again, I am ALL for wanking and looping for the sake of it too. (Lord > knows I am!) That is fun and has it's place as much as anything else. > But let's keep it in perspective, we can (and DO ) do that anywhere. You > don't HAVE to move or congregate to play. If you mix it up or play > with other bands I guarantee you will not only get a bigger audience but > you'll find your loop chops improving as well. > > And BTW Chicago is the GREATEST musical community this country has to > offer IMO. I'd move from SF to there instead of the other way around > LOL! > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com > "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." > > Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and > info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 5 14:51:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14535; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 14:45:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 14:45:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Re: Looping is overrated :) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.9 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 14:44:13 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ATLANTA GEORGIA hello all, below is some info concerning a performance we are putting on this friday here in atlanta ga. live looping and spontaneous composition is on the agenda. we will be utilizing the sounds of the dancers (captured via contact mics) in the performance as the source for our piece. i hope you can make it out. regards, c THE ELECTRIC ARTS ALLIANCE OF ATLANTA PRESENTS An InterMedia Performance of Dance and Sound For the Closing Reception of Fresh At NoNo, FRIDAY, JUNE 7, 2002 The Electric Arts Alliance of Atlanta (EAAA) is proud to present an intermedia performance of dance, video and sound at NoNo on Friday, June 7, 2002 as part of the closing reception festivities for the Fresh multi-media art exhibition curated by Fifth Class. The performers include dancer/choreographers Blake Beckham and Camille Dieterle and sound artists Chris White and Adam Overton. This performance is a study in the intersections and interplay of movement, imagery and sound and presents an inspired, real-time dialogue between the varied mediums. The closing reception for Fresh will be held at NoNo from 8 pm until 2 am and will feature a variety of visual art and musical and theatrical performances. NoNo is located in Atlanta at 595 North Avenue just past Northside Drive on the right-hand side. For more info please contact info@fifthclass.com. Donations are requested for admission. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 5 14:59:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14930; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 14:53:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 14:53:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: THE ELECTRIC ARTS ALLIANCE OF ATLANTA PRESENTS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.9 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 14:51:48 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ATLANTA GEORGIA hello all, below is some info concerning a performance we are putting on this friday here in atlanta ga. live looping and spontaneous composition is on the agenda. we will be utilizing the sounds of the dancers (captured via contact mics) in the performance as the source for our piece. i hope you can make it out. regards, c THE ELECTRIC ARTS ALLIANCE OF ATLANTA PRESENTS An InterMedia Performance of Dance and Sound For the Closing Reception of Fresh At NoNo, FRIDAY, JUNE 7, 2002 The Electric Arts Alliance of Atlanta (EAAA) is proud to present an intermedia performance of dance, video and sound at NoNo on Friday, June 7, 2002 as part of the closing reception festivities for the Fresh multi-media art exhibition curated by Fifth Class. The performers include dancer/choreographers Blake Beckham and Camille Dieterle and sound artists Chris White and Adam Overton. This performance is a study in the intersections and interplay of movement, imagery and sound and presents an inspired, real-time dialogue between the varied mediums. The closing reception for Fresh will be held at NoNo from 8 pm until 2 am and will feature a variety of visual art and musical and theatrical performances. NoNo is located in Atlanta at 595 North Avenue just past Northside Drive on the right-hand side. For more info please contact info@fifthclass.com. Donations are requested for admission. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 5 15:26:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17321; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:21:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:21:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:20:37 +0200 Subject: Re: Looping is overrated :) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001301c20d60$dfc5d120$edb55e18@kc.rr.com> Message-Id: <50B97640-78B9-11D6-9EBB-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, June 6, 2002, at 03:48 PM, savior-onasis wrote: > "Let's face it, looping and looping tools are pretty damn geeky > as a rule. We don't do this for the money or glamour..." As I have not achieved to obtain either, I can wholeheartedly agree with you :). Looping to me is slowly turning into my life. Without looping, my music as I envisage it would simply not exist. From the very first day I purchased my DL4, I was hooked - to be able to play my music, without having egotistical guitarists, alchoholic bass players and other nefarious entities from the musical world to contend with was just sheer heaven!!! I have not actually played with anyone else, except a few rare jams or sitting in at concerts for about 2 years.... I love it :) Live looping is geeky. It is also very very personal, and is probably that only way that musicians can really tap into their musical subconcious. It is the key to improvising, maybe even a way to find the key to music itself... I dont know. I'm rambling. I'll shut up now :) I had a point to say, but I forgot what it was. -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 5 15:52:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18873; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:49:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:49:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 12:39:03 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: THE ELECTRIC ARTS ALLIANCE OF ATLANTA PRESENTS In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:51 PM -0400 6/5/02, Christopher White wrote: >THE ELECTRIC ARTS ALLIANCE OF ATLANTA PRESENTS > >An InterMedia Performance of Dance and Sound >For the Closing Reception of Fresh >At NoNo, FRIDAY, JUNE 7, 2002 I had the pleasure of participating an EAAA program two weeks ago: great turnout, great people! All the best for this week's program and all to come. "Break a circuit!" -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 5 16:01:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20531; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:59:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:59:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Re: THE ELECTRIC ARTS ALLIANCE OF ATLANTA PRESENTS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.9 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 15:58:40 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes Richard I have seen your name on this list for a long time and was sad that I missed your show with dan at eyedrum...maybe next time..... regards c On Wed, 05 Jun 2002 12:39:03 -0700 Richard Zvonar wrote: >At 2:51 PM -0400 6/5/02, Christopher White wrote: > >>THE ELECTRIC ARTS ALLIANCE OF ATLANTA PRESENTS >> >>An InterMedia Performance of Dance and Sound >>For the Closing Reception of Fresh >>At NoNo, FRIDAY, JUNE 7, 2002 > >I had the pleasure of participating an EAAA program two >weeks ago: great turnout, great people! > >All the best for this week's program and all to come. >"Break a circuit!" >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD >(818) 788-2202 >http://www.zvonar.com >http://RZCybernetics.com >http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone >http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz >