From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 07:05:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12DF43BECC; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 07:05:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=c6s/hELRFWASxuhSZn00che51rqvkRFDJdAmJv8MxoO2bwNYOBWEpmthe1jp3ASsFlWe5+bR+bC+eflc9s1OlD97SWR5J9p/JR0r6gHGgLhoLRvnncr8B3p8dLuK4w3sHefqyIhf1G6WJQIIa2LwY+nhKJl0MPJuPWuGP6FT2kM= ; Message-ID: <20061001070523.15588.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 00:05:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Ferrara Brain Pan Subject: The Longest Loop Ever Recorded To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060928060615.46037.qmail@web81012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6YXjsB.A.BlG.0i2HFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 07:05:24 +0000 (UTC) Any idea what it is? (in hours:minutes:seconds, or if a tape loop, then how long in feet or meters)... If reality is pre-recorded as Burroughs used to say, then maybe reality is actually a giant tape loop (a mobius strip)... maybe it hasn't completed one cycle yet... Ferrara Brain Pan http://www.formsofthingsunknown.com "Let the great constellation of flickering ashes be heard..." Noel Scott Engel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 08:28:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48EE93BEB0; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 08:28:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=lI3Ld1QTQUh6J8q4WcAUe8n0lgWmGuv43dLRmmwvM22ofa4oZ7rHqwqQG3DVCG0jlbyw9KJ0ankBV+vPjYaySq/D2SMxjgPnk09iZLVNjd7KInt71YKi2NvAI8C1GMmIzjKMDx7bp8vCh+hawGC0mOU/TLqIMiCKGnnPDe0ioAk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061001070523.15588.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061001070523.15588.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <383C8382-D6AC-477E-BD35-7CD0ED971DBA@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: The Longest Loop Ever Recorded Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 10:28:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 08:28:11 +0000 (UTC) On 1 okt 2006, at 09.05, Ferrara Brain Pan wrote: > Any idea what it is? (in hours:minutes:seconds, or if a tape loop, > then how long in feet or > meters)... > > If reality is pre-recorded as Burroughs used to say, then maybe > reality is actually a giant tape > loop (a mobius strip)... maybe it hasn't completed one cycle yet... Interesting theory. That would make the buddhists (who strive to get out of the loop) Mobius Script Makers! ;-) Seriously, I heard I heard about a composition being performed on a church organ somewhere in Germany over a several hundred years time span. Excuse my bad memory on this, but maybe someone else knows the church and the composers name? I'm not certain this composition use loops, but probably it does so because looping parts of the score is a usual concept in composition. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 08:36:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64DE73BEB3; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 08:36:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAHEaH0WBToorAQECBwQKBwYd Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20061001093409.01bdf440@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 09:36:03 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: The Longest Loop Ever Recorded In-Reply-To: <383C8382-D6AC-477E-BD35-7CD0ED971DBA@gmail.com> References: <20061001070523.15588.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <383C8382-D6AC-477E-BD35-7CD0ED971DBA@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 08:36:00 +0000 (UTC) >Seriously, I heard I heard about a composition being performed on a >church organ somewhere in Germany over a several hundred years time >span. Excuse my bad memory on this, but maybe someone else knows the >church and the composers name? I'm not certain this composition use >loops, but probably it does so because looping parts of the score is >a usual concept in composition. A John Cage piano piece marked "as slowly as possible". They intend to only build the pipes for each note as needed. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 22:07:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 914243BEAF; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 22:07:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=fNeGA8GEBtqD+0ni4UjQ2WM194+wrboHEMBFIzFyyxROOSW8lpIBtZGEUwtKUUIMd5iW7qXZNnuZzf4Z7p9/Up1wkDlCoCY1xeZlibE/r5EJu8nQ+Mi8RORkbRpLnZDJaW0rNwZ+Zsgux9ESOjbv7ILxJ3UrYoYoCfMLdgSzA70= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <383C8382-D6AC-477E-BD35-7CD0ED971DBA@gmail.com> References: <20061001070523.15588.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <383C8382-D6AC-477E-BD35-7CD0ED971DBA@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <51E152D5-1964-4BEB-A9A8-D2CE575FC256@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: RP Collier Subject: Re: The Longest Loop Ever Recorded Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 15:07:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 22:07:54 +0000 (UTC) As Andy noted, it is John Cage Organ2/ASLSP On Oct 1, 2006, at 1:28 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > maybe someone else knows the church from www.john-cage.halberstadt.de "The place will be St. Burchardi one of the oldest churches of the =20 city. Built around 1050 by Burchard of Nahburg, this church =20 functioned as Cistercian convent for more than 600 years. In the 30 =20 years lasting war, St. Burchardi was partially destroyed but rebuild =20 in 1711 and secularized by J=E9rome in 1810. For 190 years the church =20= was used as a barn, a hovel, a distillery and a sty." from PlaybillArts "But a group of musicologists decided several years ago to take its =20 title at face value, and initiated a 639-year performance of the work =20= on a church organ in Halberstadt, Germany (the length was chosen to =20 match the age of the organ). The performance began in September 2001 with the inflation of the =20 organ's bellows, followed by 18 months of silence. In February 2003, =20 a chord was heard, and in July 2004 two notes were added. The new =20 chord=97an A, a C, and an F-sharp=97will last until 2012. According to the Times, the performance is being carried out with the =20= help of sandbags placed on the keys." regards BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://tinyurl.com/cr25j http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dsn--iF6a4Xo http://www.flickr.com/photos/41969054@N00/sets/72157594240725240= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 08:13:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAD4F3BECC; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:13:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cgl6ptrujO5qNyyb2qx7rP1S2VA72gunKf0oEN8wQPZK+ifnutctd6r5D/nMskb8FtjnVZgGj9GXaqScj+WmoZ4S0ZZj9hOSmoHDWuqYCGpuoiEGvmK6jyUG7ENoVsMXi0Uz1NBA1dSgl9h9NiByaVtnlw4T2Ri8XWg09qKyLKM= ; Message-ID: <20061002081358.38985.qmail@web55514.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 01:13:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: The Shortest Loop Ever Recorded? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-585957799-1159776838=:38877" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:13:59 +0000 (UTC) --0-585957799-1159776838=:38877 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I think I might have just heard the shortest. The intro for John McLaughlin's website. http://johnmclaughlin.com Monica --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com --0-585957799-1159776838=:38877 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
 
 
 
I think I might have just heard the shortest.
The intro for John McLaughlin's website.
Monica

Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com --0-585957799-1159776838=:38877-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 12:49:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDD233BEB5; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:49:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 481394266 Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC96AD@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: A quieter, gentler footswitch?... Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:49:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6E620.CBEA1D1C" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:49:25 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E620.CBEA1D1C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have one of these: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062545 &cp=2032058.2032230.2032278&pg=3&allCount=69&fbn=Price%2FUnder+%243.99&fbc=1 &fr=StorePrice%2FRSK%2F00000000%2F00000399&parentPage=family (radio shack Catalog #: 275-1566) installed as an additional switch in a behringer box that would otherwise only be two footswitches, which I use with my repeater. there is no mechanical noise from this switch other than one's shoe hitting it, & (so far) no mechanical reliability or damage issues. ym, as usual, mv. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E620.CBEA1D1C Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: A quieter, gentler footswitch?...
I have one of these:
 
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?produ= ctId=3D2062545&cp=3D2032058.2032230.2032278&pg=3D3&allCount=3D6= 9&fbn=3DPrice%2FUnder+%243.99&fbc=3D1&fr=3DStorePrice%2FRSK%2F0= 0000000%2F00000399&parentPage=3Dfamily
 
(radio shack  Catalog #: 275-1566)
 
installed as an additional switch in a behringer= box=20 that would otherwise only be two footswitches, which I use with my repeater= .=20 there is no mechanical noise from this switch other than one's shoe hitting= it,=20 & (so far) no mechanical reliability or damage issues.
 
ym, as usual, mv.
 
duncan.
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E620.CBEA1D1C-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 13:10:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 256653BEC1; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:10:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 481405516 Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC96AE@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: A quieter, gentler footswitch?... Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:10:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6E624.27E836BE" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:10:36 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E624.27E836BE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>My final question is this: Is there any recommendation for a stand-alone live looping tool (no laptop or software or MIDI required) with a well-functioning foot controller, and no significant noise issues, suitable for looping live miked acoustic instruments? [snip]<< sounds like you are close to your wits' end there. I would begin looking for a decent 2nd hand original jam-man if I were you. nice quiet switches, basic standalone operation...... but are there really no musically-inclined techs in your neighbourhood who could help you re-engineer the EH footswitch controller into near-silence? half the problem is the clunky switches they use, believing that this things are only going to be used by lead-footed guitarists & that only a fuzz-box switch from 1972 is going to be tough enough. about 90% of the remaining problem is the tin box that EH are so sentimentally attached to; is it really cheaper &/or more desirable to bend silk-screened monkey-metal than to cast some chunky aluminium? then why do MXR, line6 et al use the latter? I would that this engineering challenge were a little closer, geographically. ironically, my guitarist would be in the market for trading his lexicon footswitches (& since he is occasionally using two jam-mans, there are potentially four lots of double footswitch to keep track of, in the dark) for something with six noisy clunky fuzzbox switches on it (hell, he doesn't care- he's using three distortion pedals at once into a marshall stack & a fender bassman) that would drive both jam-mans from one small bit of stage real-estate. & the original lexicon jam-man pedals are as quiet as anything. where are you based, brainpan? duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E624.27E836BE Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: A quieter, gentler footswitch?...

>>My final question is this: Is there any recommend= ation for a stand-alone live looping tool (no
laptop or software or MIDI required) with a well-functio= ning foot controller, and no significant
noise issues, suitable for looping live miked acoustic i= nstruments? [snip]<<

sounds like you are close to your wits' end there. I woul= d begin looking for a decent 2nd hand original jam-man if I were you. nice = quiet switches, basic standalone operation......

but are there really no musically-inclined techs in your = neighbourhood who could help you re-engineer the EH footswitch controller i= nto near-silence?

half the problem is the clunky switches they use, believi= ng that this things are only going to be used by lead-footed guitarists &am= p; that only a fuzz-box switch from 1972 is going to be tough enough.

about 90% of the remaining problem is the tin box that EH= are so sentimentally attached to; is it really cheaper &/or more desir= able to bend silk-screened monkey-metal than to cast some chunky aluminium?= then why do MXR, line6 et al use the latter?

I would that this engineering challenge were a little clo= ser, geographically.
 
ironically, my guitarist would be in the market for trad= ing his lexicon footswitches (& since he is occasionally using two jam-= mans, there are potentially four lots of double footswitch to keep track of= , in the dark) for something with six noisy clunky fuzzbox switches on it (= hell, he doesn't care- he's using three distortion pedals at once into a ma= rshall stack & a fender bassman) that would drive both jam-mans from on= e small bit of stage real-estate.

& the original lexicon jam-man pedals are as quiet as= anything.

where are you based, brainpan?

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E624.27E836BE-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 13:25:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F7803BEDE; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:25:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MwxQzwtc1+lHw40yBF0vndAOpcDOV7sK72d+3I9tCkNgfDsRz5ScoG7NR17r7M2lRO6EkLLNbqdQnedLSFJydi80qDns2xQOjlDidPhpjgHkHsS++Q7U4yTezwoUuEX4qPbL+GL25hvVGZ2W/k8bDzPaqg2wapfqDhuNw7s4ZmQ= ; Message-ID: <20061002132459.41315.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 06:24:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Guy Joyce Subject: The longest piece of music ... in production To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:25:05 +0000 (UTC) I reckon has to be this 1000-year composition. www.longplayer.org/lp_new_site/what/what.html www.longplayer.org/ Guy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 16:37:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F0673BECF; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 16:37:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4V5el9uMH2nY7a/mpbqW9jPCoX0Gx2n5Z6Z6qDq8Bop0Uku7XDP5dCingPF6+zt1u1FW34IrwHZaIPlJBBgP0vAFxwBdVxD++ySB6oegPu/7QzcsmVpNV0fpXyxDYZZqf7hiXiE00W2DIsD8rf9eM4ECLOTXN1qERZ018nSmcvM= ; Message-ID: <20061002163705.11207.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 09:37:05 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Subject: ot: random effect (broken digitech) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060930214428.0C8513BEDA@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1478118262-1159807025=:11147" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 16:37:08 +0000 (UTC) --0-1478118262-1159807025=:11147 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit my random effect is my digitech rp100 that i got in '01, sometimes it starts to "freak out" and either the effects module will cycle through all the effects (the light flashes and the display switches real fast from one effect to next) or the amp models will cycle through randomly. i've recorded it once, and it was kind of interesting in its randomness. (has sort of an extreme tremolo effect in quick changing of effects/amp models) unfortunately it happens when i'm trying to do something specific.... i try to think of the old adrian belew comment of working w/ your gears quirks-i think he was talking about one of his gtrs had a broken pu, so he kept using it , instead of replacing it (i think he talked about it being a real twangy sound-he used on one of his songs on one of his 1st solo albums back in 80's) s--- --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. --0-1478118262-1159807025=:11147 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
my random effect is my digitech rp100 that i got in '01, sometimes it starts to
"freak out" and either the effects module will cycle through all the effects (the light flashes and the display switches real fast from one effect to next) or
the amp models will cycle through randomly. i've recorded it once, and it was
kind of interesting in its randomness. (has sort of an extreme tremolo effect in quick changing of effects/amp models)
unfortunately it happens when i'm trying to do something specific....
i try to think of the old adrian belew comment of working w/ your gears quirks-i think
he was talking about one of his gtrs had a broken pu, so he kept using it , instead of replacing it (i think he talked about it being a real twangy sound-he used on one of his songs on one of his 1st solo albums back in 80's)
s---

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Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. --0-1478118262-1159807025=:11147-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 16:37:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 336793BEEC; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 16:37:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2voDDkW/n0dc+s9gub6IueZXrQc3ksEac7Tk65bBVInlt1xaf/bAXcj104MT+v+0Qge9A0HzXiQ1Qz9JF9ZJtNTCSnHU5S5Rnooew5K2WDgv7Ki/LPUn/O8gD+IykUDqQPXEUUkaqUVRkWaBw/DVih3ChCCvx2k6M07S5/y7Z+A= ; Message-ID: <20061002163712.45868.qmail@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 09:37:12 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Subject: ot: random effect (broken digitech) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060930214428.0C8513BEDA@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1958191220-1159807032=:44962" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <05HcUC.A.P3F.5AUIFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 16:37:13 +0000 (UTC) --0-1958191220-1159807032=:44962 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit my random effect is my digitech rp100 that i got in '01, sometimes it starts to "freak out" and either the effects module will cycle through all the effects (the light flashes and the display switches real fast from one effect to next) or the amp models will cycle through randomly. i've recorded it once, and it was kind of interesting in its randomness. (has sort of an extreme tremolo effect in quick changing of effects/amp models) unfortunately it happens when i'm trying to do something specific.... i try to think of the old adrian belew comment of working w/ your gears quirks-i think he was talking about one of his gtrs had a broken pu, so he kept using it , instead of replacing it (i think he talked about it being a real twangy sound-he used on one of his songs on one of his 1st solo albums back in 80's) s--- --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. --0-1958191220-1159807032=:44962 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
my random effect is my digitech rp100 that i got in '01, sometimes it starts to
"freak out" and either the effects module will cycle through all the effects (the light flashes and the display switches real fast from one effect to next) or
the amp models will cycle through randomly. i've recorded it once, and it was
kind of interesting in its randomness. (has sort of an extreme tremolo effect in quick changing of effects/amp models)
unfortunately it happens when i'm trying to do something specific....
i try to think of the old adrian belew comment of working w/ your gears quirks-i think
he was talking about one of his gtrs had a broken pu, so he kept using it , instead of replacing it (i think he talked about it being a real twangy sound-he used on one of his songs on one of his 1st solo albums back in 80's)
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Small Business. --0-1958191220-1159807032=:44962-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 23:07:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C08113BEC2; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 23:07:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3419ba8e6d978d28df5eef553bc7649b@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: accordian looping Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:49:28 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 23:07:37 +0000 (UTC) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usK1mjwqxOc&mode=related&search= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 23:09:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0669C3BED5; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 23:09:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=n1BX0iGosY0iILUtfDTQImQ+CvBWKbxn1HqZCnmmCj+ufdgoL3zFJn+4tddRhJD58g78224g6Zgvv//c53Y9gqs2jOicXcVD3SmC26zBekdvs2CluQ6v1AcaP/Ho4MCIhrfqMxNuaX2oqbyrSXnEcDs/pP7reDpwXPDCz4Pq/iY= ; Message-ID: <20061002230927.15643.qmail@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 16:09:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: The Militarization of MySpace (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3419ba8e6d978d28df5eef553bc7649b@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 23:09:28 +0000 (UTC) http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=11&ItemID=11099 cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 05:08:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E9D03BEB5; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 05:08:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1da601c6e6a9$fcd273f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <3419ba8e6d978d28df5eef553bc7649b@mac.com> Subject: Re: accordian looping Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 23:08:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 05:08:43 +0000 (UTC) Well, in the USA we have a joke phrase, "Play the accordion, go to jail", and a joke: "You are driving home and you come across a dead frog and accordion player in the middle of the road...what can you conclude? The frog must have been on his way to a gig." :) But this video changes everything...sheer madness, I tell you. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mimlitsch" To: Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 2:49 PM Subject: accordian looping > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usK1mjwqxOc&mode=related&search= > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 11:46:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDDEA3BEB9; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:46:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001e01c6e6e1$c18cd460$24fe9643@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <3419ba8e6d978d28df5eef553bc7649b@mac.com> <1da601c6e6a9$fcd273f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: accordian looping Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 04:47:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:46:42 +0000 (UTC) And what do they use as anchors to keep all those lawyers at the bottom on the ocean? . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" Subject: Re: accordian looping > Well, in the USA we have a joke phrase, "Play the accordion, go to jail", > and a joke: "You are driving home and you come across a dead frog and > accordion player in the middle of the road...what can you conclude? The frog > must have been on his way to a gig." :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 14:26:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 874B13BEA7; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 14:26:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4522730D.9030801@infinivert.com> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 09:26:21 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: accordian looping References: <3419ba8e6d978d28df5eef553bc7649b@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <3419ba8e6d978d28df5eef553bc7649b@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0640-1, 10/03/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-Information: http://wtxs.net/support/spam.php Please contact the Texas Communications at 800-299-6962 for more information X-TexComm-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: josh@infinivert.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 14:26:40 +0000 (UTC) I had always heard that harps are handed out at the gate of heaven and accordions are handed out at the gate of hell. And while I do think this particular "hellish" piece might be a fitting soundtrack to Dante's Inferno, it does raise my respect for the instrument! Very cool... er, umm... hot! --Josh Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usK1mjwqxOc&mode=related&search= > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 15:06:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAE9F3BEB3; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 15:06:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: accordian looping Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:06:32 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13AE79@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <3419ba8e6d978d28df5eef553bc7649b@mac.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: accordian looping thread-index: Acbmd44/7rXzcLswRoKcrebSyM8l6wAhaxPA From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 15:06:42 +0000 (UTC) One of my favorite bumper stickers: I play the accordion....and I vote! and one of my favorite bands: http://thosedarnaccordions.com/ Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 16:16:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46FAC3BEB8; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:16:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: accordian looping Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 09:16:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13AE79@keel.sailpoint.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:16:16 +0000 (UTC) "Accordians don't play Lady of Spain...People do" another great Those darn Accordians bumper sticker. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Larson [mailto:jeff.larson@sailpoint.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 8:07 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: accordian looping One of my favorite bumper stickers: I play the accordion....and I vote! and one of my favorite bands: http://thosedarnaccordions.com/ Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 16:33:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BC813BED2; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:33:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Eu15/i/bmNCjTtvmjKlDNoHehB+fDm42JkiLBIzdA3d8mf9AT7/MTs0kp6HHGFwx; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <6473947.1159893180799.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 12:33:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Accordian Looping Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 303a3acd514d41c871639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da9408b7009420730d807008e5052737959ae350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.47 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:33:01 +0000 (UTC) Friends, Shameful secrets emergence moment. I too had the accordian curse upon me as a child. My Granny wanted me to be some kind of Irish/Jewish (as though there isn't enough cultural and religious baggage with this combination) Myron Floren/Frankie Yankovic. I wanted to be a Bob Dylan/Angus Young hybrid at that point. But growing up in Polka-Central in Western Pennsylvania left what she presumed was a clear path of keyboard and bellows destiny. The is the instrument of both people's in many ways. This has redeemed the instrument in so many ways. I still occasionally blow the dust off of my Hohner and play. Oddly enough, the only people who give me much guff about it are fellow musicians. Kind of in the same vein as banjo jokes. Squeeze On Brother Boxers! Todd Howell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 16:38:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5041E3BEDB; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:38:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002001c6e70a$4a84e370$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <3419ba8e6d978d28df5eef553bc7649b@mac.com> <1da601c6e6a9$fcd273f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <001e01c6e6e1$c18cd460$24fe9643@Biffoz> Subject: Re: accordian looping Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 17:37:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:38:05 +0000 (UTC) Now you've done it. http://www.prosoundweb.com/fun/jokes/joke01.shtml Our favorite Gary Larson items (yes, you know) are here: http://www.accordionscanada.com/resourcepage.htm#comic :) > From: "Miko Biffle" > And what do they use as anchors to keep all those lawyers at the bottom on > the ocean? . . . > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Krispen Hartung" > Subject: Re: accordian looping > > >> Well, in the USA we have a joke phrase, "Play the accordion, go to jail", >> and a joke: "You are driving home and you come across a dead frog and >> accordion player in the middle of the road...what can you conclude? The > frog >> must have been on his way to a gig." :) > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 17:09:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84E553BED6; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 17:09:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Craig McCollough Subject: Live 6.0 and Happy Birthday Rick! Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:09:12 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.server20070.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - craigmccollough.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 17:09:32 +0000 (UTC) Hey All - I downloaded the Live 6.0 demo last night and started playing.... I'm liking it!! The MIDI mapping is *very* intuitive. Anyone else have a chance to start playing with it? Happy Birthday to Rick Walker (loop.pool)!!! Cheers, Craig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 17:24:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B96F3BEDB; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 17:24:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=phe5kjKrKEgFG0qNm9TYP+VoSxI3YjdlUyfqtsHOS75A/QaAn6CTbSdfmcamFBpT06jpNLvziwvYkQpSCzHQgBVBREXcMpdBfxRkPYt4u/In5Yn28Br5UiM+kNARONP5YTcBmcc6VmnhHiZB4v7wXlWuFRE62IHaLXZgFmQmpKI= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:24:18 -0700 From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live 6.0 and Happy Birthday Rick! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 17:24:21 +0000 (UTC) Yeah Live 6 is cool. Two features added that made this an indispensible upgrade (and things that should have been there earlier): dual processor support, and render individual tracks. Haven't had a chance to dig into the midi mapping, but I'm hoping the improved feature set allows for a bit more live looping capability... Happy birthday Rick! Neil On 10/3/06, Craig McCollough wrote: > Hey All - > > I downloaded the Live 6.0 demo last night and started playing.... > I'm liking it!! The MIDI mapping is *very* intuitive. > > Anyone else have a chance to start playing with it? > > Happy Birthday to Rick Walker (loop.pool)!!! > > > Cheers, > Craig > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 18:15:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E74383BED6; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:15:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: feedback 100% Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 14:12:50 -0400 In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13AE79@keel.sailpoint.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 20221 Message-Id: <8C8B52EABDC185B-1408-15BF@FWM-R04.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 152.163.211.132 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:15:44 +0000 (UTC) my rang is stuck in 100% feedback due to a button going bad.....it never fails to amaze me how tricky it is to loop in this situation.....mush soup is ever near.....i always said that "undo" is for sissies.....perhaps feedback is for sissies also.....there i said it!.....:)m hey rickeeeeeeee, where's the cake?.....i used to love birthdays till they seemed to come around every few months.....ZOOM-MOOZ.....an anti-time drug! ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 18:24:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EA4E3BED2; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:24:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000401c6e719$1da30760$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> From: "raul bonell" To: References: Subject: Re: Live 6.0 and Happy Birthday Rick! Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 20:24:05 +0200 Organization: paciencia records MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:24:12 +0000 (UTC) Did AL6 includes some notebook ala cubase, sonar, etc.? Bad memory here. I usually save my projects into a folder where also include a text file to write down some clues about the work.It would be helpful to have it associated in the program itself. The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 18:33:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 803F93BEC1; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:33:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,251,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="313377843:sNHT23171456" From: Subject: Re: feedback 100% To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.7.5a-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20061003143338.BOX38172@ms06.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 14:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Message-ID: <12no4D.A.5KH.G0qIFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:33:42 +0000 (UTC) I've been trying to experiment with my Boomerang at various feedback levels other than 100%, and I find THAT to be very difficult! Everything I play keeps fading out! Too funny ;) Tom ---- Original message ---- >Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 14:12:50 -0400 >From: nemoguitt@aol.com >Subject: feedback 100% >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >my rang is stuck in 100% feedback due to a button going bad.....it >never fails to amaze me how tricky it is to loop in this >situation.....mush soup is ever near.....i always said that "undo" is >for sissies.....perhaps feedback is for sissies also.....there i said >it!.....:)m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 18:42:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 067EB3BEF3; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:42:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=nWY8fhJwjv0/Lq3UsUkY/ryEq9HaV+nbhF19rJN11LfDcgahhMg4hPPQCIvATia8OkiPx94iOCUSI/x+YYGgv0RumoRKgivp7g7rZS0aJ8ZnVh062kpVpRC0ir5qBizwxQvI661gobwc24HJeyNWZf9qJVPOUHNhrMUgJrpv3j0= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:42:41 -0700 From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live 6.0 and Happy Birthday Rick! In-Reply-To: <000401c6e719$1da30760$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2784_12034659.1159900961710" References: <000401c6e719$1da30760$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:42:44 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2784_12034659.1159900961710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 10/3/06, raul bonell wrote: > > Did AL6 includes some notebook ala cubase, sonar, etc.? Bad memory here. I > usually > save my projects into a folder where also include a text file to write > down > some clues about the work.It would be helpful to have it associated in the > program itself. No but 6 organizes folders automatically (similar to 'Save as Project' in earlier version), but its an automatic, enforced folder hierchcy with all audio and midi saved into convenient subfolders, and each plug in used has an alias to 'save with project' for song specific patches. Still getting to know this, but this may allay some of your need for text files. ------=_Part_2784_12034659.1159900961710 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On 10/3/06, raul bonell <RAULBONELL@telefonica.net> wrote:
Did AL6 includes some notebook ala cubase, sonar, etc.? Bad memory here. I
usually
save my projects into a folder where also include a text file to write down
some clues about the work.It would be helpful to have it associated in the
program itself.
 
No but 6 organizes folders automatically (similar to 'Save as Project' in earlier version), but its an automatic, enforced folder hierchcy with all audio and midi saved into convenient subfolders, and each plug in used has an alias to 'save with project' for song specific patches. Still getting to know this, but this may allay some of your need for text files.

 
------=_Part_2784_12034659.1159900961710-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 19:41:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5DE83BEE8; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 19:41:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Luigi Meloni" To: Subject: RE: Live 6.0 and Happy Birthday Rick! Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:41:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: thread-index: AcbnDrR4tQ9Yman8Rqy1NoaD0kXGRQAFSwOQ Message-Id: <20061003194142.53621A8C0B@smtp1.libero.it> X-Scanned: with antispam and antivirus automated system at libero.it Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 19:41:47 +0000 (UTC) Hey, Happy Birthday friend..:-):-) Peace Luigi -----Original Message----- From: Craig McCollough [mailto:craig@craigmccollough.com]=20 Sent: marted=EC 3 ottobre 2006 19.09 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Live 6.0 and Happy Birthday Rick! Hey All - I downloaded the Live 6.0 demo last night and started playing.... =20 I'm liking it!! The MIDI mapping is *very* intuitive. Anyone else have a chance to start playing with it? Happy Birthday to Rick Walker (loop.pool)!!! Cheers, Craig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 21:44:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B158B3BED2; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:44:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4522D9CA.2050105@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:44:42 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Short loop fades more quickly than long loop with same feedback setting References: <000601c6e2c1$dc373950$0202a8c0@Lightning> In-Reply-To: <000601c6e2c1$dc373950$0202a8c0@Lightning> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <16clDD.A.dbC.KntIFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:44:42 +0000 (UTC) Warren Sirota wrote: > It still seems to me that the destructive nature of the feedback is an > implementation artifact rather than a feature. All instruments are made of 100% implementation artifacts... Only marketing persons need features they can sell... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 21:44:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B2523BEE8; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:44:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4522D9DA.30803@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:44:58 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: hello world its me, Rithers... References: <6124676D-B75D-45DF-855E-2248FC6DF8B9@rithma.org> In-Reply-To: <6124676D-B75D-45DF-855E-2248FC6DF8B9@rithma.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:44:58 +0000 (UTC) Reese Ritherspoon wrote: > - can anyone suggest some of their favorite artists that i should check > out? All who play at the Y2K6 Loopfest, very broad variety... > is there a known "best" looper in existance? My homebrewed Max/MSP patch running on a 12" powerbook... > is there a "lamborghini"? The looperlative probably or as oldtimer it seems the repeater... But I don't drive cars, I am a bike addict... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 21:45:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16E1E3BEEC; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:45:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4522D9F5.4010606@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:45:25 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT(?): utility to map Midi Note to PC messages? References: <01ec01c6e3a8$e68032d0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <4B39A0D7-0945-4A88-8630-CBC4D65B3E1C@zoekeating.com> In-Reply-To: <4B39A0D7-0945-4A88-8630-CBC4D65B3E1C@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:45:24 +0000 (UTC) Zoe Keating wrote: > There's GOT to be another way (I like Bernard's suggestion of a Max > patch). But I'll keep this in mind though for a last resort. What about instead of last resort, a future resort? I'll happily patch it together for you, there is no rush now as Midipipe works for you. But Max could do much more, even replace the repeaters in case they fail one day and nobodies selling a used one, it might even combine a vegetarian meal for you and serve the drink after the concert... ;-) You don't need to be able to create all by yourself, but you can design all by yourself... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 21:46:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EF773BEF3; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:46:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4522DA22.5000409@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:46:10 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... References: <14f901c6e3cf$8b1fa480$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <2F8B8170-0578-40A4-AF04-85D79CDCAE0A@gmail.com> <155601c6e3db$c1215d10$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <155601c6e3db$c1215d10$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:46:12 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > So, if Reaktor folks are making an argument that MAX/MSP sounds thin, > they are probably misunderstanding the architecture of the program > and what on can do with it. I would guess that the reaktor folks do really compare and judge, I have a similar experience with Kyma. The Kyma is coming with a bunch of readymade high quality sounds. Elsewise its a different beast than Max, you can create patches and will have the same flexibility as in Max. (Reaktor is much less flexible than Max) On the first sight Max, Kyma and Reaktor sound different. But as you get those readymade sounds you tend to use it like a rack of effects, filled with fashionable sounds. If these fashionable sounds are your only concern, better stick with them, there is no need for you to go the Max route, you're happy already. (Same applies for acoustic and "No-Computer" musicans...) Beginning with a blank page does make it more difficult to achieve an already known sound. You need A LOT of knowledge, which only partially is public, as most creators hide their knowledge to be more competitive. But usually you don't even start to think about completely different ways of creating a sound. You might have a newcomers idea how something should work and get a different sound than you expected, but you like it and keep it and suddenly you're lightyears ahead of any fashion... By the time your explorations will be fashion its old boring stuff for yourself. Max is not made for mainstream taste. As soon as you start, you develop your own tastes. You tweak the sound for your own liking extending the limits of normal effects... It is difficult to achieve the same sound of a filter as some of those pricey hardware emulations you can buy as vst~. Though the knowledge how these are done and tweaked is there, it would not make sense to get into those details. In the end its just different which sais nothing about absolute quality. Most digital filters for example use exactly the same basic structure and its a science of its own to tweak 5 parameters to make it sound like it sounds. Normal users just think "Lowpass", "Highpass", "Bandpass" etc. The tweaking was done by an electrical engineer in the old days, by a DSP programmer today... You just can't learn this within a month... In Max you could arrive at that level, in Reaktor you're bound to the filters which are there. On first sight Reaktor sounds "better", but it restricted to that sound as well. In Max you won't get it out of the box, though somebody out there probably has tweaked it to the same level of quality, but Maxers usually don't consider this too important... If you rely on a certain sound just hooking up Max as vst host is the most simple solution, you can concentrate on the music instead of technical details. There is no need to invent the wheel again... > My guess is that it might be more difficult to build a MAX/MSP > Blackbird equivalent, because MAX/MSP seems to start at a more > fundamental level in terms of the building blocks of patches. I'd be > blown away if a MAX/MSP programmer did this...because right now > Blackbird (thanks to Dave Coffin who shared it with me) is my > favorite patch of all, out of all my VSTs, etc. Is there a Reaktor demo which could load it to have a look? Usually if I hear inspiring sounds and recreate them in Max the end up being very different and much better (thats a matter of taste of course ;-) Synth sounds can be addictive, though for my taste they are much too often a "one trigger and it does it magic" thing which decouples the performer from the sound. The most interesting synth sounds I heard so far where mostly physical models with a lot of control while holding a note... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 21:46:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 425453BEFA; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:46:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4522DA40.80305@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:46:40 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... References: <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> <005601c6e476$747d4b40$5a01a8c0@mark> In-Reply-To: <005601c6e476$747d4b40$5a01a8c0@mark> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:46:42 +0000 (UTC) markfrancombe.com wrote: > My general impression of both of these packages is that they suck the > living blood outa you, your skin goes grey, you start to smell of dead > cells cigerettes and pizza, your friends talk about you when you are not > there, and you dont talk much to them when they are there... evil... > dark....and grim....and my personal favorites... audio much and > synthedit.... are both just slightly less dangerous than heroin. Just > say NO... > > just mho > > mark francombe > (who uses NO computers in the making of his music... anymore... and is > now rosy cheeked and losing weight!!! Ah that's why I survived with Max, I skipped the pizza, cook with as much love as I improvise music, and don't need to loose weight... And of course if someone would ask me to play blackbird on a guitar I'd be lost as well... (The only standard I can play halfway through is the chromatic fanatasy on the bass... ;-) You probably have to get rid of all other addictions before you start with those geeky tools... ;-) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 21:47:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DA643BEE2; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:47:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4522DA62.6070303@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:47:14 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0F6D5E@keel.sailpoint.com> <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> <2B89FF99-7289-4290-B857-F636A42D49BB@zonemobius.com> In-Reply-To: <2B89FF99-7289-4290-B857-F636A42D49BB@zonemobius.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:47:15 +0000 (UTC) Jeffrey Larson wrote: > Yes I understand. My point is that you are ultimately limited by the > Max intrinsic objects. In the case of filters, my "MSP Filters" > menu shows 14 objects: allPass~, biquad~, etc. Mine has 16 objects but not all are filters... ;-) If you know how digital filters work, you probably could do most of these "analog emulatins" Most filter designs rely on a simple biquad formula. The secret is the parameters. Recently there was a flag added to filtergraph~ (an UI object to control a biquad~) called "Imitation Analog Flavor". The object which does the actual filtering is still the same as before, it just gets a different set of parameters to do its magic... And you are not limited to the Max intrinsic objects. Especially for filters there are a lot of 3rd party externals and patches which deliver you filters of all flavours. You can also create brickwall filters with FFT techniques, not available for any analog flavor way of thinking (Its not part of the filter object list). One of my favorites is the "forbidden planet" patch which comes as example with Max > can we say for certain that with these 14 objects we can exactly > emulate the filters on something like an Access Virus? I don't mean > just close, I mean near sample accurate emulation? If you know the exact algorithm you could do it sample accurate. But they won't give you that information and more important there is no point in doing so. As soon you understand enough of the matter to be able to redo it, you certainly would do it much more personal and different. And there is ALWAYS more than 14 objects involved... Thats the diference to Reaktor, there you think in "Filter" and thats it. In Max you embed the filter into a bigger picture to actually control it. And the way you control your sounds are more important to the sound itself than any technology involved. > Is there one and only one possible implementation of hilbert~ ? As its a mathematically defined treatment, the implementation might differ, the result must be the same. > maybe it just takes a lot of work with hilbert~, phaseshift~, and > comb~ to get the same "warmth" as some Reaktor patches. These three I'd never associate with "warmth" ;-) > I don't know, but what I'm wondering is if these fundamental > algorithms color the sound enough so that people can tell the > difference between the "Max sound" and the "Reaktor sound". There is a similar issue with studios, you can hear if a peace is made at IRCAM. I consider this a weakness not a strength. If it sounds like Reaktor, its done with the presets which come with it. If somebode gets into it an tweaks the sounds, it stops sounding like Reaktor, the same applies to Max or Kyma or even Nordlead versus Virus... You'll love it if the presets fit your taste... > Maybe it is simply a matter of Reaktor having a better default object > library that sounds warmer without a lot of tweaking. Thats the main difference. Reaktor is filled with sounds average people don't need to tweak to get the expected (average) sound. Enough, I better watch the sunset on my flight to Oslo... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 21:47:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 096C93BF10; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:47:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4522DA71.3020503@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:47:29 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... References: <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> <005601c6e476$747d4b40$5a01a8c0@mark> <8bc80192a8ccfb3d766fee8629e5a221@pfmentum.com> <188501c6e4d7$561cd6f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <188501c6e4d7$561cd6f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7JVns.A.pCD.vptIFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:47:27 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > doesn't someone make an app that will make a pc VST work on a mac? I > used to have a program that converted VST to RTAS, etc. I can imagine that this could work on MacIntels in a not so far future. But converting VST to RTAS isn't recompiling, its wrapping. Old Macs don't share the same processor with a PC, but the new ones do... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 21:48:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C64B43BEFF; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:48:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4522DAC4.9020503@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:48:52 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Longest Loop Ever Recorded References: <20061001070523.15588.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20061001070523.15588.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:48:51 +0000 (UTC) Ferrara Brain Pan wrote: > Any idea what it is? (in hours:minutes:seconds, or if a tape loop, > then how long in feet or meters)... The longest loop for sure will be longer than any physical tape could be in the age of digital storage... But there is a conceptual problem. I you think in terms of the longest loop, when did you hear it? I guess you can only tell if you have heard the complete loop at least two times. Consider you want to break the Guiness book record of the longest loop? How would you do this? You just start recording, and as soon you passed the maximum time ever reached, you start to replay... In that moment you realise the maximum got just bigger and you restart that again (still recording) That would create a pretty short loop of the beginning of the recording, letting the attempt to create the ever biggest loop result in a pretty short loop with feedback... The longest loop sounds just like a short loop with feedback set to 100%... (noodle, noodle, noodle.... ;-) What a weird idea to put sports (faster, higher, longer) onto loops... (remember olympics? those who always run in a circle, thats also a long loop...) I limited my loops to 90 seconds, which I consider pretty short... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 21:51:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7BA93BF07; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:51:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <20061003143338.BOX38172@ms06.lnh.mail.rcn.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: feedback 100% Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 17:51:18 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20061003143338.BOX38172@ms06.lnh.mail.rcn.net> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 20221 Message-Id: <8C8B54D310C1C23-1408-2551@FWM-R04.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 152.163.211.132 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:51:26 +0000 (UTC) < Everything I play keeps fading out!>.....sez tom tom.....try not keeping the stack button depressed all the time, just use it while inputing something.....if you put in just one note, how many times will it repeat?.....if something you like fades out, just input it again.....at least the rang allows one to do a rather long loop so 100% fb is very doable.....i like how it forces me to think ahead with sound placement rather than blowing ahead full throttle knowing it will fade away.....i can't wait for my new button to get here so i can have less than 100%.....i would rather live in that world!.....:)m ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 21:51:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17C413BF15; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:51:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4522DB78.4010606@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:51:52 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: accordian looping References: <3419ba8e6d978d28df5eef553bc7649b@mac.com> <4522730D.9030801@infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <4522730D.9030801@infinivert.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:51:51 +0000 (UTC) Joshua Carroll wrote: > Very cool... er, umm... hot! it remineded me of KTU - be carefull, could burn you... http://tinyurl.com/pz99z Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 21:52:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2727A3BF1C; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:52:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <20061003143338.BOX38172@ms06.lnh.mail.rcn.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: feedback 100% Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 17:51:55 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20061003143338.BOX38172@ms06.lnh.mail.rcn.net> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 20221 Message-Id: <8C8B54D473FEFA3-1408-2559@FWM-R04.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 152.163.211.132 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:52:07 +0000 (UTC) < Everything I play keeps fading out!>.....sez tom tom.....try not keeping the stack button depressed all the time, just use it while inputing something.....if you put in just one note, how many times will it repeat?.....if something you like fades out, just input it again.....at least the rang allows one to do a rather long loop so 100% fb is very doable.....i like how it forces me to think ahead with sound placement rather than blowing ahead full throttle knowing it will fade away.....i can't wait for my new button to get here so i can have less than 100%.....i would rather live in that world!.....:)m ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 22:20:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 720E23BEF4; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:20:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XW3VX8kmfCnCpwJLcp2MiJoiLnUutyMon4ex6D75sIBiJKxt0j72ejkNNOA8ByZi/goMDT6ECWXcS5n0CLb04ZRZzeR9Vx7dGzldzf4fWB1P6hllBj08m6NmVOU8mXqOlpckJn9PpNA8GzDbV1NawqryZMaeyEH/2lMag9eiV5w= ; Message-ID: <20061003222013.25868.qmail@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 15:20:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: EDP more loops/feedback issues To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8C8B54D473FEFA3-1408-2559@FWM-R04.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:20:15 +0000 (UTC) Hi gang, In using more loops ive run into the problem of sometimes hitting accidentally a track record button twice into which a loop has been recorded which starts automatically multiplying.Is there a way to avoid this?I already have a separate assigned multiply function for this. The other problem i ran to at a gig is with the feedback control.I am using 3 banks with EDP functions and assigned one of the fcb1010 pedals to control feedback in all 3 banks.But as i was recording a loop after fading one out and reseting the feedback pedal to 100% the new loop kept fading out,having to turn the button manually so it would reset properly. So i am curious as to how fcb1010 users have their feedback pedal set,do u have it in every bank or use a separate pedal conected in the back of the EDP to avoid such thing? cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 22:23:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C10703BEF3; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:23:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2323.69.59.207.172.1159914231.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <4522730D.9030801@infinivert.com> References: <3419ba8e6d978d28df5eef553bc7649b@mac.com> <4522730D.9030801@infinivert.com> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 15:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: accordian looping From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <2VagdD.A.oNF.5LuIFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:23:53 +0000 (UTC) I've been recording a Galecian Celtic band lately, and I now know for a fact what instrument is handed out at the gates of hell: BAGPIPES! Not only are they always too freaking loud, they're never in tune either. Wait, that sounds like some guitarists I know :-) > I had always heard that harps are handed out at the gate of heaven and > accordions are handed out at the gate of hell. And while I do think > this particular "hellish" piece might be a fitting soundtrack to Dante's > Inferno, it does raise my respect for the instrument! Very cool... er, > umm... hot! > > --Josh > > > > Paul Mimlitsch wrote: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usK1mjwqxOc&mode=related&search= >> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 22:31:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2491E3BF02; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fg/W1ol8TpbKeMxHZqt36DPRjVWismj7tuAD4R5wgd3JaGVZTaiM66y469Z4dFm2tmeM9YrUJduce/7jR+httQcKFnSnJp+Sx6NKfvcW7VeeEVVOdOm4vTBToMel4Yl42d54zBG2BLD3ol7s0fuD+sXX128/6fAWgdmqif4I22k= ; Message-ID: <20061003223102.29441.qmail@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 15:31:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: accordian looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13AE79@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:31:03 +0000 (UTC) beautiful stuff Jeff really "Wurst und Bier" stuff! Luis --- Jeff Larson wrote: > > One of my favorite bumper stickers: > > I play the accordion....and I vote! > > and one of my favorite bands: > > http://thosedarnaccordions.com/ > > > Jeff > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 22:39:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 691B83BF0B; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:39:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4522E68F.1020306@infinivert.com> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 17:39:11 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: accordian looping References: <3419ba8e6d978d28df5eef553bc7649b@mac.com> <4522730D.9030801@infinivert.com> <4522DB78.4010606@addcom.de> In-Reply-To: <4522DB78.4010606@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0640-1, 10/03/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-Information: http://wtxs.net/support/spam.php Please contact the Texas Communications at 800-299-6962 for more information X-TexComm-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: josh@infinivert.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:39:28 +0000 (UTC) Holy.... that's just sick! Awesome! --Josh Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Joshua Carroll wrote: >> Very cool... er, umm... hot! > > it remineded me of KTU - be carefull, could burn you... > > http://tinyurl.com/pz99z > > Stefan > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 22:41:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 633183BF05; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:41:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4522E717.2090907@infinivert.com> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 17:41:27 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: accordian looping References: <3419ba8e6d978d28df5eef553bc7649b@mac.com> <4522730D.9030801@infinivert.com> <2323.69.59.207.172.1159914231.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <2323.69.59.207.172.1159914231.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010006020106070005000804" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0640-1, 10/03/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-Information: http://wtxs.net/support/spam.php Please contact the Texas Communications at 800-299-6962 for more information X-TexComm-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: josh@infinivert.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:41:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010006020106070005000804 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Not only are they always too freaking loud, they're never in tune either. > Wait, that sounds like some guitarists I know :-) > Ain't it the truth?!?!!! --Josh improv@peak.org wrote: > I've been recording a Galecian Celtic band lately, and I now know for a > fact what instrument is handed out at the gates of hell: BAGPIPES! > > Not only are they always too freaking loud, they're never in tune either. > Wait, that sounds like some guitarists I know :-) > > >> I had always heard that harps are handed out at the gate of heaven and >> accordions are handed out at the gate of hell. And while I do think >> this particular "hellish" piece might be a fitting soundtrack to Dante's >> Inferno, it does raise my respect for the instrument! Very cool... er, >> umm... hot! >> >> --Josh >> >> >> >> Paul Mimlitsch wrote: >> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usK1mjwqxOc&mode=related&search= >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > > > --------------010006020106070005000804 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 
Not only are they always too freaking loud, they're never in tune either.
Wait, that sounds like some guitarists I know :-)
Ain't it the truth?!?!!!

--Josh

improv@peak.org wrote: 
I've been recording a Galecian Celtic band lately, and I now know for a
fact what instrument is handed out at the gates of hell: BAGPIPES!

Not only are they always too freaking loud, they're never in tune either.
Wait, that sounds like some guitarists I know :-)

  
I had always heard that harps are handed out at the gate of heaven and
accordions are handed out at the gate of hell.  And while I do think
this particular "hellish" piece might be a fitting soundtrack to Dante's
Inferno, it does raise my respect for the instrument!  Very cool... er,
umm... hot!

--Josh



Paul Mimlitsch wrote:
    
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usK1mjwqxOc&mode=related&search=
--------------010006020106070005000804-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 22:59:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3174E3BEEA; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:59:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Cy6+qlhkRL2HtGoUFUyYuMlhetLJNBVGc9ZnqPDyd/M2wlFAX2OxNUFuUzdYIFJQf9cXbGJR/51GK1kgi0pwsKUxaqfGbjTJU2M0MJjX0kOIadAo5jVWu2HE8u9xF4CQR0+dAkwCv2/TifGYw1DYANgTVZJOIueVklmQrW3BlLE= ; Message-ID: <20061003225916.60677.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 15:59:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: trey gunn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004a01c6df5f$d531b690$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <4wX_iB.A.R1G.EtuIFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:59:17 +0000 (UTC) what on earth is he using here to rub strings? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IwjnT70Oi8&NR www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 23:36:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA53E3BEDB; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 23:36:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: trey gunn Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 19:36:54 -0400 Message-ID: <017701c6e744$cf3d20c0$6700a8c0@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20061003225916.60677.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcbnP44fSUCBwxE2Q5SJ/1ExJcDNOgABR3lg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: <-QqVlD.A.HU.aQvIFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 23:36:58 +0000 (UTC) My guess is that it's a bullet mic, so he can create some feedback. Pretty neat-o! Dave Eichenberger- http://www.hazardfactor.com/collectives <--- 50 CDs, 50 hours, no copies > what on earth is he using here to rub strings? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IwjnT70Oi8&NR > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 23:39:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D05E3BEEC; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 23:39:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <13895112.1159918785491.JavaMail.pmimlitsch@mac.com> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:39:45 -0700 From: Paul Mimlitsch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: trey gunn in-reply-to: <20061003225916.60677.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit references: <20061003225916.60677.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 71.229.131.202/instID=44 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 23:39:57 +0000 (UTC) If I remember correctly, I read a few years ago that he was experimenting with using a "Smokey Amp" as a feed back generator/ sustainer and also for percussive/ slide stuff. On Tuesday, October 03, 2006, at 03:59PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: >what on earth is he using here to rub strings? >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IwjnT70Oi8&NR > > >www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 02:22:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1503D3BEA7; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 02:22:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1ff201c6e75b$f12fce00$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <14f901c6e3cf$8b1fa480$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <2F8B8170-0578-40A4-AF04-85D79CDCAE0A@gmail.com> <155601c6e3db$c1215d10$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4522DA22.5000409@addcom.de> Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 20:22:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <8Pr7ZB.A.1ZG.orxIFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 02:22:32 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Tiedje" is no need to invent the wheel again... > >> My guess is that it might be more difficult to build a MAX/MSP >> Blackbird equivalent, because MAX/MSP seems to start at a more >> fundamental level in terms of the building blocks of patches. I'd be >> blown away if a MAX/MSP programmer did this...because right now >> Blackbird (thanks to Dave Coffin who shared it with me) is my favorite >> patch of all, out of all my VSTs, etc. > > Is there a Reaktor demo which could load it to have a look? Yes indeed. You can download at the NI website. I'll even send you the blackbird ensemble, and you can see the internal workings. If you can make a MAX/MSP patch that emulates the Tangerine snap, I'll pay you $$$. > Usually if I hear inspiring sounds and recreate them in Max the end up > being very different and much better (thats a matter of taste of course > ;-) Exactly! Jeff Kaiser and I just created a emulation of a patch on my Boss VF-1...it is a dual pitch shifter with delay that feedbacks the pitch into itself, genrating some intense sounds. It is VERY close to the actual patch. Fun. You can hear the original VF1 patch here: http://box.net/public/khartung/files/301858.html I am converting it to VST this week to share. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 02:25:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 293B33BEB3; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 02:25:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <218D399F-84FA-4764-8FCD-5F8B729AEF75@gmail.com> References: <002001c6e489$29cf1ed0$0101a8c0@succubus> <218D399F-84FA-4764-8FCD-5F8B729AEF75@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Reese Ritherspoon Subject: Re: AW: random effects Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 19:25:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 02:25:55 +0000 (UTC) The Access Virus B (and indigo) has a random function with two controls - amount & intensity. 'amount' adjusts how many parameters will change, and 'intensity' affects how much. you can start with any program in the library with a relatively low setting and keep hitting 'random' until you work yourself into the most alien thing youve ever heard. your face being eaten by ants. jello being squeezed into a thousand tiny holes around the room. a very effective technique, especially if you're lacking inspiration, or smoke pot. this (of course) isn't an "effects unit" per say, its a virtual analog synth. it has basic onboard effects that are sort of crummy, and a pair of analog ins for filtering/effecting outside sources. nobody responded last time i asked, so ill ask again.......is there a consensus on the 'best' looper out there? is it the echoplex? please, answer me! or, let me know if i am asking wrong - i am new to the list. i know its kind of a nebulous question, but i really want something to start with that i can synch via midi and has multiple outs. happy tuesday, everyone. etienne de rithma www.rithma.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 02:44:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 232263BEB8; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 02:44:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=I9X6oDU1Z5LHHZk2YYGWEDmzIjurbzsWkyUqZnJfjnDbR04MKyKAVkaX4zz82iG6WVhLuC1TRfILzDt6nYyqeZCwZlN+Ea5LINUirK7P0D6nb6bRapaagQry2n7+CH4jSdvtWM+TD3jsWlfr1kJ6cCM1HUoGUTIqA+8WnDvczm4= ; Message-ID: <20061004024435.9899.qmail@web51007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 19:44:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Murchison Subject: Re: AW: random effects To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2099029889-1159929875=:83351" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <2HZSkD.A.piH.UAyIFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 02:44:37 +0000 (UTC) --0-2099029889-1159929875=:83351 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You're going to get a lot of people saying that running software of some kind on a laptop is the best, and they probably wouldn't be too far from the truth. You definitely have lots of options and versatility that way. I personally want to stick to hardware (at least for the time being), and the EDP is the one I'm saving for. So to answer your question.... The EDP is the looper that I covet the most, so in my opinion that makes it "best". At least for me. Of course, there are lots of people that have migrated from the EDP and/or the Looperlative to a laptop, so at some point that's probably at least something to check out. Reese Ritherspoon wrote:nobody responded last time i asked, so ill ask again.......is there a consensus on the 'best' looper out there? is it the echoplex? please, answer me! --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --0-2099029889-1159929875=:83351 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You're going to get a lot of people saying that running software of some kind on a laptop is the best, and they probably wouldn't be too far from the truth.  You definitely have lots of options and versatility that way.  I personally want to stick to hardware (at least for the time being), and the EDP is the one I'm saving for.

So to answer your question....  The EDP is the looper that I covet the most, so in my opinion that makes it "best".  At least for me.  Of course, there are lots of people that have migrated from the EDP and/or the Looperlative to a laptop, so at some point that's probably at least something to check out.

Reese Ritherspoon <rithma@rithma.org> wrote:
nobody responded last time i asked, so ill ask again.......is there a
consensus on the 'best' looper out there? is it the echoplex?
please, answer me!

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Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --0-2099029889-1159929875=:83351-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 06:21:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 774A03BEA6; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 06:21:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=jXDWDStpRm15aMVISWGD7UjQC3GqLiTp97iePEuWgt/9jvWEzY+NuQV4FsU2Bnxg9jgGwuxM1ljgGSw5d3jM9TLvh2f6BR5KIXr+6P+8Ja5pdtjRahXuNDw67QpNOUlWHJgZXmtNJMPYZxtrCv4idJfW+MK3h5uAU8vZT6oNEoI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4522DA71.3020503@addcom.de> References: <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> <005601c6e476$747d4b40$5a01a8c0@mark> <8bc80192a8ccfb3d766fee8629e5a221@pfmentum.com> <188501c6e4d7$561cd6f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4522DA71.3020503@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 08:21:19 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 06:21:25 +0000 (UTC) > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> doesn't someone make an app that will make a pc VST work on a mac? >> I used to have a program that converted VST to RTAS, etc. On 3 okt 2006, at 23.47, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > I can imagine that this could work on MacIntels in a not so far > future. But converting VST to RTAS isn't recompiling, its wrapping. > Old Macs don't share the same processor with a PC, but the new ones > do... I guess Krispen was thinking about running Mobius VST wrapped into a Mac host? Wow! If that will ever be possible I would jump right into using Numerolgoy as the host for Mobius. I can't think about any more powerful combo. Numerology already offers most of the stuff I would have to (re)create by myself in MAX, would save me a lot of time. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 06:39:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B54673BEA9; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 06:39:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20F2E36F-EE65-4E33-BB85-713CEC072E9C@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Zoe Keating Subject: fcb1010: dirty data...anyone ever noticed? Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 23:38:55 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Server-Quench: 06143a82-5373-11db-b770-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtdZlUxDEF1 UkhJREJSEw9rCBYB BFAcVgdwdxtEfHpu bU59XHVZWVt6Ox10 RkgAFQ0GZW9gbmIX HkJafwoacAVLehwU YlJiUXAKYngGZy4y WgVsYGh0ZW0GcXQI TlpSclkbV0gAFGdk HkhQVTkuB1EUDyk6 MxVgbBgVGlcWNEh6 PEUsQxoeNAMTAQBS SClF X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:199/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse Resent-Message-ID: <34BAlD.A.MtH.Ic1IFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 06:39:04 +0000 (UTC) To help me out with all this midi stuff I installed MidiMonitor to keep track of all the messages going in and out of the computer. Great little program. I also used it to generate a detailed list of all the messages I'm sending on each bank...it's gotten complicated enough that I've started forgetting what is where... Anyway...what's been pretty enlightening, watching the midi messages scroll by, is noticing a few bits of "extra" data being sent along with my patches.... occasionally. I also I noticed that the Repeaters don't wig out so much when controlled by the computer as they do when controlled by the FCB1010. I think quite a few of my long-standing midi problems are about the foot controller, not the Repeater. (with one exception: every now and then I can still make the Repeater speed by pressing the Multiply button on the front, and if I send too many messages at once, or messages in rapid succession the unit will get stuck with a "Not Ready" message on the LCD...but these problems are my old friends now and we're used to each other) So back to those "extra", messages from the FCB1010... has anyone ever noticed them??? In my case, it's always "hidden" Control data from CNT1, that is turned off in a patch, but about every 2nd press, gets sent anyway! I can make it happen consistently every other time by sending a Note message. To test, I turned off every single switch in a bank of patches, EXCEPT for the Note switch (switch 0). The "bonus" Control message sent with the Note message is always what WOULD be sent if CNT1 switch (switch 6) were on. Very interesting.... I'm going to take this up on the FCB1010 forum, but since there are a few people who use this pedal, I thought I'd mention it. Wish those Ground Control buttons weren't those little metal doo- dads....or I'd use that... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 06:45:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD1003BEC5; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 06:45:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Ze9Nozq3aL6SAHSXBcLOwx7ewbPKHPWZ+wu3Zt2ZBSO7WvQFrdfTLXADkWBJtAvU/33r/plnElzfsIU2glaopW2HAA5bckpZpTZ3vtInD3p/+ZPUwfz6JXkdP8NZwKFmHXrUHsUuyyzTTfJZaHhBBAtpoZI8hiZVvbl0LDC9th4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061003222013.25868.qmail@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061003222013.25868.qmail@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7C4C904B-03BE-4FF3-8D18-44F0D1FBD3A2@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP more loops/feedback issues Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 08:44:58 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 06:45:03 +0000 (UTC) On 4 okt 2006, at 00.20, L.A. Angulo wrote: > .I am using 3 banks with EDP functions > and assigned one of the fcb1010 pedals to control > feedback in all 3 banks.But as i was recording a loop > after fading one out and reseting the feedback pedal > to 100% the new loop kept fading out,having to turn > the button manually so it would reset properly. > So i am curious as to how fcb1010 users have their > feedback pedal set,do u have it in every bank or use a > separate pedal conected in the back of the EDP to > avoid such thing? (speaking about my EDP rig now:) Generally I keep the feedback function assigned to the same FCB1010 expression pedal in every bank and even every patch. But I have been forced to make exceptions to be able to control other devices with the expression pedal (like an analog filterbank or previously a Repeater). I have ran into the problem you describe many times. What I do is to make sure I always have the feedback function assigned to that actual expression pedal in at least one patch with an "harmless" function - like for example Overdub. If I don't play anything I can press a short Overdub only to recall the patch that has feedback assigned to the expression pedal. Another strategy I have developed to stay out of such trouble, and also to be able to loop faster and more fluently, is to double up most function over many controller buttons. Especially the feedback functions. I like to have both expression pedals and twistable knobs or faders assigned to the same parameter. Then I can simply reach for the most immediate way to achieve feedback or whatever. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 07:01:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97F1B3BEC2; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:01:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=j7UwkzEbw0/aVo0hfuOQ+OI/IFtR2E/8UFdOpRX1e9ILVjhxszqKUkU9SsBPLo6zKPe9oe3ZR2NvYkrPM8kuDoFbmQE0yyVTrafacHFvAbCGwhDKAkpAazP0bwL8M0WJ7o2HENR8NCI+LOoSjQQOQTnHRa3GC/lHJymadk+gIZY= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <002001c6e489$29cf1ed0$0101a8c0@succubus> <218D399F-84FA-4764-8FCD-5F8B729AEF75@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <29BED977-D68F-4237-B95A-7AD03501D746@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: random effects Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 09:01:49 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:01:55 +0000 (UTC) On 4 okt 2006, at 04.25, Reese Ritherspoon wrote: > nobody responded last time i asked, so ill ask again.......is there > a consensus on the 'best' looper out there? is it the echoplex? No. Every user have his own favorite, based oh his/hers particular needs for musical application. > please, answer me! or, let me know if i am asking wrong - i am > new to the list. i know its kind of a nebulous question, > but i really want something to start with that i can synch via midi > and has multiple outs. The question is impossible to answer without knowing more about your specific needs? (like asking "what is the best vehicle?") At least we can now write off the Echoplex, because you have listed "multiple outputs". Unless you're prepared for buying a bunch of Echoplexes - they have one output each and synch well via MIDI. If you like the Echoplex feature set but need multiple outputs, and if you don't mind using a computer as the hardware, you may look at the software looper Mobius. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 07:10:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D7E93BEC5; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:10:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45235E68.5030001@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 09:10:32 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Short loop fades more quickly than long loop with same feedback setting References: <007801c6e2b2$398c9b50$0202a8c0@Lightning> In-Reply-To: <007801c6e2b2$398c9b50$0202a8c0@Lightning> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:10:33 +0000 (UTC) Warren Sirota wrote: > Right.... Which is why "fade" on a multichannel looper makes more sense than > feedback, if it's available. Still, we work with what we have, right? fade and feedback would create a significantly different effect. A feedback would keep the looped phrase untouched and only on a different level. Whereas a fade would constantly diminish the volume. With recognizable structures within the loop this will have a completely different notion. One is an echo, the other a fadeout of a loop... It does different emotional things to me... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 07:12:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7AC463BED0; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:12:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=LrrGvi58HskJYf2HrFnSSRj2FwXN9wfqUGuHl7DY1jcYnPkGAP6z4GN13VwCYpSCMoafnmEE1i+GbPRpKf5a5pQuyif6bcSxO1xuHbboGXMLnh+34ohjINPcWatLTEqWQBpw3Ee/LE96O/l6C8PESN2MSqcAWva/hTYpVKDo4hE= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20F2E36F-EE65-4E33-BB85-713CEC072E9C@zoekeating.com> References: <20F2E36F-EE65-4E33-BB85-713CEC072E9C@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6A70D54C-5F16-4B85-834B-1BF5F3099C99@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: fcb1010: dirty data...anyone ever noticed? Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 09:12:12 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:12:17 +0000 (UTC) On 4 okt 2006, at 08.38, Zoe Keating wrote: > Anyway...what's been pretty enlightening, watching the midi =20 > messages scroll by, is noticing a few bits of "extra" data being =20 > sent along with my patches.... occasionally. I also I noticed that =20 > the Repeaters don't wig out so much when controlled by the computer =20= > as they do when controlled by the FCB1010. I think quite a few of =20 > my long-standing midi problems are about the foot controller, not =20 > the Repeater.=A7 Yes, I have had these problems with hidden MIDI data bursted out from =20= the FCB1010. Some years ago I was unlucky to work with physical gear =20 (EDP, Repeater, AKAI MFC42 filterbank) that did not allow me to make =20 changes to which data the devices should react to. Some of the FCB =20 hidden data applied to the set controller for the filterbank and made =20= it loose sync way too often. (Maybe you're already doing this... but anyway, here we go:) I've =20 noticed you have a powerbook with Ableton Live, so a workaround could =20= be to run the FCB into the laptop. Then make up MIDI clips in Live =20 that do contain the MIDI data to control your repeaters etc. Finally =20 set up MIDI bindings to trigger those Live MIDI Clips from MIDI data =20 sent by your FCB. When doing this, make sure to not use any of the =20 hidden data. Also make sure there is no MIDI Through in Live. Live =20 should only be able to send out the content of those MIDI Clips and =20 not what it gets at its MIDI input from your FCB. This way you filter =20= out the hidden data from your pedal. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 07:34:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 994343BEAF; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:34:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAMIAI0WBToo+AgcECgcGHQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20061004083035.01bf1240@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 08:34:42 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: fcb1010: dirty data...anyone ever noticed? In-Reply-To: <20F2E36F-EE65-4E33-BB85-713CEC072E9C@zoekeating.com> References: <20F2E36F-EE65-4E33-BB85-713CEC072E9C@zoekeating.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:34:36 +0000 (UTC) >So back to those "extra", messages from the FCB1010... > >has anyone ever noticed them??? > >In my case, it's always "hidden" Control data from CNT1, that is >turned off in a patch, but about every 2nd press, gets sent anyway! Yes, that's what happens here. I don't have the latest firmware though. ( You'd have to get the new firmware burned onto an EPROM if that turned out to be a fix, and there's also 3rd party replacement available which would no doubt fix this, but don't know how reliable they are) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 07:50:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE9513BEB9; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:50:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <6A70D54C-5F16-4B85-834B-1BF5F3099C99@gmail.com> References: <20F2E36F-EE65-4E33-BB85-713CEC072E9C@zoekeating.com> <6A70D54C-5F16-4B85-834B-1BF5F3099C99@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--895065753 Message-Id: <2B7DF5BE-1034-4AD2-AC06-29BFBAF367CD@zoekeating.com> From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: fcb1010: dirty data...anyone ever noticed? Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 00:50:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Server-Quench: 0dbdf723-537d-11db-b770-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtdZlUxDEF1 UkhJREJSHA9tARYE BlAcVgdwdxtEfHpu bU59XHVZWVt6Ox10 RkkLSDN5ZWZpbGEa HkVecwQacFcYKklC aFNiUXAKNXgGZy4y WgVsYGh0ZW0GcXQI TlpSclkbV3wGTHYy TBpbRWx3TwUJRj8v PlQqI0IVWgBXO0Mj Nl0sEV8GPgVaDApC HkpADHgx X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:199/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:50:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--895065753 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed thank ye per... that is exactly what i'm up to...hence my newfound interest in all things midi. i've been in the process of migrating for a while, but until recently never seemed to have enough time between tours to take it all apart and re-work it all. now i've had a good chunk of time to get my head around it, plan it out, implement and then actually practice. i mapped some of my "songs" so that they are "played" by midi clips Ableton. it's amazing only having to press one button and let Live do the rest. (a few glitches with midi notes sent on downbeats of new clips...working on it). i have a hybrid setup where i can stop the progression of midi clips at any time and revert to looping the old way (with the tool palette on the fcb1010) however, for purely improv pieces, i'm still using the footpedal to RPTR setup and just the computer for audio processing. anyway, next on the list is to do what you say for the "off the cuff" pieces too. nothing is perfect though, in some ways i feel like i'm just substituting old problems for new ones! can't wait to hear you at y2k6! -z On Oct 4, 2006, at 12:12 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > (Maybe you're already doing this... but anyway, here we go:) I've > noticed you have a powerbook with Ableton Live, so a workaround > could be to run the FCB into the laptop. Then make up MIDI clips in > Live that do contain the MIDI data to control your repeaters etc. > Finally set up MIDI bindings to trigger those Live MIDI Clips from > MIDI data sent by your FCB. When doing this, make sure to not use > any of the hidden data. Also make sure there is no MIDI Through in > Live. Live should only be able to send out the content of those > MIDI Clips and not what it gets at its MIDI input from your FCB. > This way you filter out the hidden data from your pedal. > --Apple-Mail-2--895065753 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 thank ye per...

that is exactly what i'm up = to...hence my newfound interest in all things midi.=A0

i've been in the process of = migrating for a while, but until recently never seemed to have enough = time between tours to take it all apart and re-work it = all.
now i've had a good chunk of time to get my head around = it, plan it out, implement and then actually practice.

i mapped some of my "songs" = so that they are "played" by midi clips Ableton. it's amazing only = having to press one button and let Live do the rest. (a few glitches = with midi notes sent on downbeats of new clips...working on = it).

i have a = hybrid setup where i can stop the progression of midi clips at any time = and revert to looping the old way (with the tool palette on the = fcb1010)

however, for purely improv = pieces, i'm still using the footpedal to RPTR setup and just the = computer for audio processing.

anyway, next on the list is = to do what you say for the "off the cuff"=A0 pieces too.=A0

nothing is perfect though, = in some ways i feel like i'm just substituting old problems for new = ones!=A0

can't = wait to hear you at y2k6!

-z

On Oct 4, 2006, = at 12:12 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

(Maybe you're already doing = this... but anyway, here we go:) I've noticed you have a powerbook with = Ableton Live, so a workaround could be to run the FCB into the laptop. = Then make up MIDI clips in Live that do contain the MIDI data to control = your repeaters etc. Finally set up MIDI bindings to trigger those Live = MIDI Clips from MIDI data sent by your FCB. When doing this, make sure = to not use any of the hidden data. Also make sure there is no MIDI = Through in Live. Live should only be able to send out the content of = those MIDI Clips and not what it gets at its MIDI input from your FCB. = This way you filter out the hidden data from your pedal.


=

= --Apple-Mail-2--895065753-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 07:54:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C85543BEC1; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:54:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20061004083035.01bf1240@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20F2E36F-EE65-4E33-BB85-713CEC072E9C@zoekeating.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061004083035.01bf1240@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0806924F-E068-4380-B512-3B400268D213@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: fcb1010: dirty data...anyone ever noticed? Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 00:54:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Server-Quench: 9ec9d75a-537d-11db-b770-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtdZlUxDEF1 UkhJREJSHA9tBRYE BVAcVgdwdxtEfHpu bU59XHVZWVt6Ox10 RkkXVAxYZWVha2Yd HkFbcwUaeVYZd0tC bwFiUXAKNXgGZy4y WgVsYGh0ZW0GcXQI TlpSclkbV3wGTHYy TBpbRWx3TwUJRj8v PlQqI0IVWgBXO0Mj Nl0sEV8GPgVaDApC HkpADHgx X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:199/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:54:54 +0000 (UTC) isn't that from 2003? or do they do upgrades every week like Ableton Live ? ;-) the pedal i have i bought new in the UK in april On Oct 4, 2006, at 12:34 AM, a k butler wrote: > >> So back to those "extra", messages from the FCB1010... >> >> has anyone ever noticed them??? >> >> In my case, it's always "hidden" Control data from CNT1, that is >> turned off in a patch, but about every 2nd press, gets sent anyway! > > Yes, that's what happens here. > I don't have the latest firmware though. > ( You'd have to get the new firmware burned onto an EPROM if that > turned out to be a fix, and there's also 3rd party replacement > available which would no doubt fix this, but don't know how > reliable they are) > > andy butler > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 11:36:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F6683BEB6; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:36:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAAE5I0WBToo+AgcECgcGHQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20061004100403.01bbe218@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 10:14:55 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: fcb1010: dirty data...anyone ever noticed? In-Reply-To: <0806924F-E068-4380-B512-3B400268D213@zoekeating.com> References: <20F2E36F-EE65-4E33-BB85-713CEC072E9C@zoekeating.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061004083035.01bf1240@tiscali.co.uk> <0806924F-E068-4380-B512-3B400268D213@zoekeating.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:36:34 +0000 (UTC) main source of info is a yahoo group http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010/?yguid=184258049 >isn't that from 2003? or do they do upgrades every week like Ableton >Live ? ;-) >the pedal i have i bought new in the UK in april Official updates are infrequent, very likely you have the latest. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 13:21:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 634543BEB3; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:21:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=c5WFbenQXwYno/FmbtG4gSwtb4wF1xGgd+6iYi6AquOnDgVnQKNf7Ii06XgKrQ+fYnoJbnuf/ARmXQopq1Tq3STZrri5wgty7HqBICJGiIOXGo1FM0UXUpLekIFsrgTcWWvPNZDm+nJz0enyKVpwSljLM+bPB01MOb9OE/rayCc= ; Message-ID: <013401c6e7b8$0be518c0$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: Subject: Free MIDI Loop Sequencer Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:21:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:21:52 +0000 (UTC) Just came accross this.There was a topic about this a few weeks ago. "Seq24 is a minimal loop based midi sequencer." "It was created to provide a very simple interface for editing and playing midi 'loops'. After searching for a software based sequencer that would provide the functionality needed for a live performance, such as the Akai MPC line, the Kawai Q80 sequencer, or the popular Alesis MMT-8, I found nothing similar in the software realm. I set out to create a very minimal sequencer that excludes the bloated features of the large software sequencers, and includes a small subset of features that I have found usable in performing. " http://www.filter24.org/seq24/index.html Didn't had the time to try it yet but it's free (win/unix only) Ben. ___________________________________________________________________________ Découvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quel que soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/Réponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expériences. http://fr.answers.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 13:39:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C66B93BEB3; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:39:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 09:41:50 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: fcb1010: dirty data...anyone ever noticed? In-reply-to: <7.0.0.16.0.20061004100403.01bbe218@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000c01c6e7ba$d842fd40$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:39:46 +0000 (UTC) Here's another idea for a workaround, off the top of my head. Hope it's = not too na=EFve... Might it be possible to program those switches to send = out a *harmless* CC (i.e., one that your other gear will ignore, like CC86 or something), and *then* shut off the CC output? Perhaps then the bug = would manifest in a more benign manner for you... Best wishes, Warren Sirota From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 13:46:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B21CF3BEC5; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:46:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=RjksRf0H1W54U6sK3ik7mZOU0Me1TgnqDlP2eDblUR8wTdlo//ubBQo/wM8hchV3IGdvlL2xtEfwCw3t7xLYWJMPPI6f/3jshZnl1rrMn2L3QFWdluAnJotJ/ElvTVl1qESC/mpZRSkkKmmxIzUfX2ePaQz5sCS2vYQ4R/+d5HU= In-Reply-To: <000c01c6e7ba$d842fd40$0202a8c0@Lightning> References: <000c01c6e7ba$d842fd40$0202a8c0@Lightning> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: fcb1010: dirty data...anyone ever noticed? Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:46:15 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:46:20 +0000 (UTC) On 4 okt 2006, at 15.41, Warren Sirota wrote: > Here's another idea for a workaround, off the top of my head. Hope =20 > it's not > too na=EFve... Might it be possible to program those switches to send =20= > out a > *harmless* CC (i.e., one that your other gear will ignore, like =20 > CC86 or > something), and *then* shut off the CC output? Perhaps then the bug =20= > would > manifest in a more benign manner for you... The problem is that this "leaking" MIDI data have nothing to do with =20= which data the pedal is programmed to send out. A MIDI filtering application is not a good solution either, in case =20 the pedal leaks out events that has to be used for controlling some =20 device (the problem with some hardware devices is that you can't =20 adjust their MIDI binding setup). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 14:32:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E96373BECC; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:32:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=Bsp8OGDumIIM0GhzeTBN7Nz2oTUnRqu5n3XC8bxhu7jWKbGIWoJgR0ERFMVYUk49MmBWhz10OplI/jSV9vXy5X3Md6UoUZUivuYEJzospXV7pdGYBJzuSDJBdwIs85Lz0jZpVxSWwRWc53NlGbkcNAKVZdHeu00F8aLDkdNuNuk= ; From: "murkie" To: Subject: RE: trey gunn Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:32:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <13895112.1159918785491.JavaMail.pmimlitsch@mac.com> Thread-Index: AcbnRT0SqrD5AbIDSGufxcywvr16VQAfHxlQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Message-Id: <20061004143227.4D4983BEAC@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:32:28 +0000 (UTC) yep. it's a smokey amp. i use one with my stick. it's great for feedback if you hold it against the back of the neck. m http://www.TwistedAppleRecords.com -----Original Message----- From: Paul Mimlitsch [mailto:pmimlitsch@mac.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 7:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: trey gunn If I remember correctly, I read a few years ago that he was experimenting with using a "Smokey Amp" as a feed back generator/ sustainer and also for percussive/ slide stuff. On Tuesday, October 03, 2006, at 03:59PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: >what on earth is he using here to rub strings? >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IwjnT70Oi8&NR > > >www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 15:29:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAF2B3BEA9; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:29:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4523D234.90803@speakeasy.net> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 08:24:36 -0700 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: accordian looping References: <20061004063905.2DD523BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20061004063905.2DD523BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:29:20 +0000 (UTC) >I've been recording a Galecian Celtic band lately, and I now know for a >fact what instrument is handed out at the gates of hell: BAGPIPES! > >Not only are they always too freaking loud, they're never in tune either. >Wait, that sounds like some guitarists I know :-) > > Q: What is the definition of a gentleman? A: Someone who knows how to play the bagpipes, but chooses not to. Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 16:01:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF00F3BEC1; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:01:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4523DAC9.3010906@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 11:01:13 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Best Looper (was: random effects) References: <002001c6e489$29cf1ed0$0101a8c0@succubus> <218D399F-84FA-4764-8FCD-5F8B729AEF75@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:01:22 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen made a great chart that compares the functionality of various loopers. http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php I'd say the most sophisticated hardware looper would be the Looperlative, by means of it having eight stereo loops, and asynchronus if desired. It has eight sets of possible outputs, but I'm not sure how they're all implemented as the box has continuous software upgrades. It'd be worth checking out the upgrade portion of the forum on the site to see what functionality it has so far. http://www.looperlative.com BTW, I love "a very effective technique, especially if you're lacking inspiration, or smoke pot..." Always a good disclaimer! Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > nobody responded last time i asked, so ill ask again.......is there a > consensus on the 'best' looper out there? is it the echoplex? > please, answer me! or, let me know if i am asking wrong - i am new > to the list. i know its kind of a nebulous question, > but i really want something to start with that i can synch via midi > and has multiple outs. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 16:41:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DEB43BEC2; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:41:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 12:43:25 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: fcb1010: dirty data...anyone ever noticed? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001001c6e7d4$36563460$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:41:03 +0000 (UTC) Per said: > > The problem is that this "leaking" MIDI data have nothing to > do with > which data the pedal is programmed to send out. > Too bad. It was not a bad guess, though. Working around pathologies is really difficult a lot of the time. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 16:56:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0674B3BED6; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:56:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [207.68.174.154] X-Originating-Email: [johncecilprice@hotmail.com] X-Sender: johncecilprice@hotmail.com thread-index: Acbn1focaBSW7dZZSL6s1lnNGuU7Wg== Thread-Topic: Long time guys From: To: Cc: Subject: Long time guys Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 09:56:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2006 16:56:10.0256 (UTC) FILETIME=[FE070100:01C6E7D5] Resent-Message-ID: <2_fZ2D.A.2KH.re-IFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:56:11 +0000 (UTC) Greetings, feels like bein bk home again. John Cecil Price www.johncecilprice.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 16:58:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 023B53BED9; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:58:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <215701c6e7d6$40720670$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <002001c6e489$29cf1ed0$0101a8c0@succubus> <218D399F-84FA-4764-8FCD-5F8B729AEF75@gmail.com> <4523DAC9.3010906@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: Best Looper (was: random effects) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:58:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:58:05 +0000 (UTC) Per, can you add the Boss RC-2? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl Shawn" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 10:01 AM Subject: Re: Best Looper (was: random effects) > Per Boysen made a great chart that compares the functionality of various > loopers. http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php > > I'd say the most sophisticated hardware looper would be the > Looperlative, by means of it having eight stereo loops, and asynchronus > if desired. It has eight sets of possible outputs, but I'm not sure how > they're all implemented as the box has continuous software upgrades. > It'd be worth checking out the upgrade portion of the forum on the site > to see what functionality it has so far. http://www.looperlative.com > > BTW, I love "a very effective technique, especially if you're lacking > inspiration, or smoke pot..." Always a good disclaimer! > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com >> nobody responded last time i asked, so ill ask again.......is there a >> consensus on the 'best' looper out there? is it the echoplex? >> please, answer me! or, let me know if i am asking wrong - i am new >> to the list. i know its kind of a nebulous question, >> but i really want something to start with that i can synch via midi >> and has multiple outs. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 17:23:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05A0C3BECA; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:23:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=svVHWifFubHC9Oj+MmaaBynLDO+vL8iiWcBt2DguNsJINjy1Dsa8C9VOEQjuyz1E93B7IjNlLWkdvVczg0vdDHrhJYDA4cX92AekuiB/Emwz6E8mJ+/i0p8KmUBfh0loxWKRg5/ux8i3axByztxSvePLYShnRkv/QPp+tIvfmyA= ; Message-ID: <20061004172258.19078.qmail@web81003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:22:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Ferrara Brain Pan Subject: Shopping for a looper again... RC-50?... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:23:05 +0000 (UTC) So I went and listed my 2880 (with foot controller and 12 compact flash cards) on eBay - I dont' suppose many of you will be interested in that after all the public complaints I lodged here about it last week, but if you are then the listing is here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=019&item=290035966509&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 My reason for posting, however, is not to find a buyer for my unwanted gear, and I don't wish to abuse the list... which is to say, I know there is a huge archive of info for this list, not to mention user reviews at Harmony Central, which are at my disposal for evaluating the currently available tools of the trade - I spent two or three hours last night looking over some of that material and barely scratched the surface of what's already been discussed in depth here (wish there was a way to narrow my search since when I type in Boss RC-50 I get an enormous page of posts to look at and there is no way to guage the contents of each one without opening them one at a time, or so it seems)... Anyway, I'm shopping for another looper - I definitely don't want a laptop/software based setup because it's too much money for me to spend (I'm broke, unemployed, and I don't want to pay more than the $500 I hope to recoup for my 2880 deal) and I haven't got the time or the patience to learn all of that - I'd prefer not to have to learn MIDI either, at least to start - And for rather petty reasons (I'm out of rack spaces in my gear case and I don't want to have to sell my road rack and buy a bigger one) I'm leaning away from buying a rack-mounted looper (there is the added issue of having to shop for a footswitch if I go that route, also, which I'd prefer to avoid) So, that leaves me with the floor-mounted models that are out there: Boss RC-50, RC-20XL, DD-20, RC-2, Digitech Jamman, Boomerang, etc... Forgetting about the Line 6 and all of those which have the loud metal pushbutton switch design, are there any others I'm missing? I've used Boss pedals before (the DD6 was my looper before I got the 2880) and I've found them to be quiet and suitable for use with quiet live-miked instruments, so I may go with a Boss I'm deciding to let go of a lot of the features I was hoping to find in a looper, because I can't afford to pay for them all, basically (I'd probably need to get a Looperlative) - I'll have to live without discrete loops I can pan and fade individually (I'm not buying another Repeater, having owned one and got frustrated with the noise issues it had) - I guess I can live without storing loops... I'd love a reverse button, but it's not essential... One thing I would like is a stereo output (my mixer only has mono effects send but it has stereo return, so I don't need 'true stereo' but I would like a looper that offers a stereo output) - Although I'm not sure if this is a meaningless thing, I mean: unless the looper takes the mono send and processes it to a stereo signal (like a stereo delay) then it wouldn't amount to anything but a left and right send of the same signal? - I don't know... the RC-50 and the DD-20 have a left and right out; the RC-20XL, RC-2 and Digitech Jamman only have one mono output But the DD-20, which I am leaning toward on account of the price (Boss has so many options) doesn't have a feedback control for the looping feature ('sound on sound'), apparently: that sucks... Now, the RC-50, that model appears rather forbiddingly difficult to master in terms of its vast feature set, but it does appear to have everything I want in a looper except the individual track mixing option (that only the Repeater, 2880. and Looperlative offer, or does the EDP have that? in any case it's too much money for me) - Now, many of the Harmony Central reviews state there is an issue with the RC-50 about cropping off the first part of the loop when you go from record to play - Is this a real defect in the unit, or is it due to some failure on those users' parts to read the manual and make the proper settings? I don't expect everyone to want to repeat everything that's already been written here, but if maybe one of you would (or point me to a specific link where my questions are addressed)... Is the RC-50 bunk? Does it have serious drawbacks any buyer will have to contend with?... And a more general question, if not the RC-50, then what would you recommend I buy, based on my above criteria and profile (I'm kind of a tech dummie, need quiet foot controls, want stereo output)? Sorry to burden you with my doubtlessly redundant discussions, but there is just so much info and so many choices out there that my head is spinning trying to come to a decision (one real option I am considering now is to abandon entirely the live looping option, and just get a basic stupid effects pedal)... Oh yeah, the other thing is, I hear that Mike Nelson is gonna introduce a new Boomerang upgraded model next year, with lots of new features, so I'm thinking I might do without a looper till then and check out the new Rang when it hits the streets... And one other thing (sorry): there is the option of buying a used looper of some kind, I know there are a lot of cool discontinued models out there that are worth looking at... but I'm thinking I might be better to play it safe and get something from Guitar Center with a 30-day trial option, and test it out THOROUGHLY this time, so I can return it if I find any unexpected drawbacks that I can't deal with (like noisy footswitches or what have you)... Ferrara Brain Pan http://www.formsofthingsunknown.com "Let the great constellation of flickering ashes be heard..." Noel Scott Engel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 17:35:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADA333BEE1; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:35:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loop List Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-12--859965187 From: Steve Lawson Subject: Re: Best Looper... Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:35:44 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:35:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-12--859965187 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed >>I'd say the most sophisticated hardware looper would be the Looperlative, by means of it having eight stereo loops, and asynchronus if desired. It has eight sets of possible outputs, but I'm not sure how they're all implemented as the box has continuous software upgrades. It'd be worth checking out the upgrade portion of the forum on the site to see what functionality it has so far. http://www.looperlative.com<<< The Looperlative has three pairs of outs, not 8 sets... there are 8 stereo channels, as you say, which can be routed in any combination to the three outs for either separate recording, or post processing... The other thing you can now do with the Looperlative that does give you access to all 8 channels separately is export loops to a computer via the ethernet port... And import them, should you wish to. So in terms of 'most fully featured' I think the LP1 takes that hardware award, but there are still people who love the functionality and playability of the Echoplex, and are happy with it being one mono channel. For me, the Looperlative rocks my world. :o) cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-12--859965187 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>I'd say the most = sophisticated hardware looper would be the Looperlative, by means of it = having eight stereo loops, and asynchronus if desired. It has eight sets = of possible outputs, but I'm not sure how they're all implemented as the = box has continuous software upgrades. It'd be worth checking out the = upgrade portion of the forum on the site to see what functionality it = has so far.=A0 http://www.looperlative.com<&l= t;<

The = Looperlative has three pairs of outs, not 8 sets... there are 8 stereo = channels, as you say, which can be routed in any combination to the = three outs for either separate recording, or post = processing...=A0

The other thing you can now = do with the Looperlative that does give you access to all 8 channels = separately is export loops to a computer via the ethernet port... And = import them, should you wish to.=A0

So in terms of 'most fully = featured'=A0 I think the LP1 takes that hardware award, but there are = still people who love the functionality and playability of the Echoplex, = and are happy with it being one mono channel.=A0

For me, the Looperlative = rocks my world. :o)=A0

cheers

Steve
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www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop
www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson

= --Apple-Mail-12--859965187-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 17:43:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B415F3BEB3; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:43:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4523F2BB.7090107@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 12:43:23 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Best Looper... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030009040007040204040805" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:43:29 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030009040007040204040805 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Crap, sorry for the disinformation. If I /had/ one... Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > >>I'd say the most sophisticated hardware looper would be the > Looperlative, by means of it having eight stereo loops, and > asynchronus if desired. It has eight sets of possible outputs, but I'm > not sure how they're all implemented as the box has continuous > software upgrades. It'd be worth checking out the upgrade portion of > the forum on the site to see what functionality it has so far. > http://www.looperlative.com<<< > > The Looperlative has three pairs of outs, not 8 sets... there are 8 > stereo channels, as you say, which can be routed in any combination to > the three outs for either separate recording, or post processing... --------------030009040007040204040805 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Crap, sorry for the disinformation. If I had one...

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com

>>I'd say the most sophisticated hardware looper would be the Looperlative, by means of it having eight stereo loops, and asynchronus if desired. It has eight sets of possible outputs, but I'm not sure how they're all implemented as the box has continuous software upgrades. It'd be worth checking out the upgrade portion of the forum on the site to see what functionality it has so far.  http://www.looperlative.com<<<

The Looperlative has three pairs of outs, not 8 sets... there are 8 stereo channels, as you say, which can be routed in any combination to the three outs for either separate recording, or post processing...

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 19:26:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB7663BED5; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:26:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <0DBFA6F6-DD9A-450F-98FD-6D4BA1795D95@biggerbread.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--853308781 From: Andrew Chaikin Subject: Re: fcb1010: dirty data...anyone ever noticed? Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:26:41 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:26:43 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--853308781 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Zoe, I'm highly allergic to Midi, so I'm probably out of my league here, but wouldn't there be some way in MidiPipe to block just that CNT1 thing from ever making it through? This is assuming you don't need CNT1 for anything else, of course. Kid Beyond email@kidbeyond.com http://kidbeyond.com | http://myspace.com/kidbeyond --Apple-Mail-1--853308781 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Zoe,

I'm highly allergic to = Midi, so I'm probably out
of my league here, but wouldn't = there be some
way in MidiPipe to block just that CNT1 = thing
from ever making it through?

This is assuming you don't = need CNT1 for
anything=A0else, of course.

= --Apple-Mail-1--853308781-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 23:12:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51B9C3BEB2; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 23:12:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <220c01c6e80a$800228e0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> <005601c6e476$747d4b40$5a01a8c0@mark> <8bc80192a8ccfb3d766fee8629e5a221@pfmentum.com> <188501c6e4d7$561cd6f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4522DA71.3020503@addcom.de> Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:12:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 23:12:04 +0000 (UTC) Two things, on the wishlist...converting a PC VST to a MAC VST, and converting a Reaktor Ensemble to a PC or MAC VST....that would be musical ecstasy. :) You'd think they could do that with Reaktor, like what you can do with MAX. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 12:21 AM Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... >> Krispen Hartung wrote: >>> doesn't someone make an app that will make a pc VST work on a mac? I >>> used to have a program that converted VST to RTAS, etc. > > On 3 okt 2006, at 23.47, Stefan Tiedje wrote: >> I can imagine that this could work on MacIntels in a not so far future. >> But converting VST to RTAS isn't recompiling, its wrapping. Old Macs >> don't share the same processor with a PC, but the new ones do... > > > I guess Krispen was thinking about running Mobius VST wrapped into a Mac > host? Wow! If that will ever be possible I would jump right into using > Numerolgoy as the host for Mobius. I can't think about any more powerful > combo. Numerology already offers most of the stuff I would have to > (re)create by myself in MAX, would save me a lot of time. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 06:33:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E63B3BEC5; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 06:33:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XOlKqVAmWrw1WW6iyoW38rxnAroHAJbQOMrRRC85n+jvIlxCYfud8UAO1d1tHB792XtnqmHKQN5dojhPj+/dme51HWVAI9xL//ZQUog8HCtxArv4Oq0P2roaxyfLfSUjEk7jxHvkBN0qcZzxJDdDwmCuUxK4r4G4AO7W1pzrZ34= ; Message-ID: <20061005063310.70490.qmail@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 23:33:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: EDP more loops/feedback issues To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7C4C904B-03BE-4FF3-8D18-44F0D1FBD3A2@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6HieaD.A.o3F.pcKJFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 06:33:14 +0000 (UTC) I have > ran into the > problem you describe many times. What I do is to > make sure I always > have the feedback function assigned to that actual > expression pedal > in at least one patch with an "harmless" function - > like for example > Overdub. If I don't play anything I can press a > short Overdub only to > recall the patch that has feedback assigned to the > expression pedal. so if i understand correctly you assign a value of 127 on the overdub button for example and press it shortly to reset the controller? > Another strategy I have developed to stay out of > such trouble, and > also to be able to loop faster and more fluently, is > to double up > most function over many controller buttons. > Especially the feedback > functions. I like to have both expression pedals and > twistable knobs > or faders assigned to the same parameter. Then I can > simply reach for > the most immediate way to achieve feedback or > whatever. this sounds cool,but it could create problems as well...don´t know if i am understanding it right could you give me a more specific example? Thanx Per! Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 06:40:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A6183BEB9; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 06:40:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GW9wU600t4jSzSEg5+nC45Su0Vf0PV5kmu2dtVTkmR6/deilbAGpUnYuGuEUzsNWfbQeoXlKvndOXtai9u5jZksFM9qSbfpuBbLG4awVno4skhG9jvl/Cg4+I0V8aYpyx/rcoHRTHR+DplZpxLC9HcYGIx10BU54APgOgqOJIa4= ; Message-ID: <20061005064024.96358.qmail@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 23:40:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: fcb1010: dirty data...anyone ever noticed? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6A70D54C-5F16-4B85-834B-1BF5F3099C99@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <0u554D.A.7LG.YjKJFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 06:40:25 +0000 (UTC) sorry folks i missed soemthing here are u talking about the midiOx app to filter out midi errors? Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 4 okt 2006, at 08.38, Zoe Keating wrote: > > > Anyway...what's been pretty enlightening, watching > the midi > > messages scroll by, is noticing a few bits of > "extra" data being > > sent along with my patches.... occasionally. I > also I noticed that > > the Repeaters don't wig out so much when > controlled by the computer > > as they do when controlled by the FCB1010. I think > quite a few of > > my long-standing midi problems are about the foot > controller, not > > the Repeater.§ > > > Yes, I have had these problems with hidden MIDI data > bursted out from > the FCB1010. Some years ago I was unlucky to work > with physical gear > (EDP, Repeater, AKAI MFC42 filterbank) that did not > allow me to make > changes to which data the devices should react to. > Some of the FCB > hidden data applied to the set controller for the > filterbank and made > it loose sync way too often. > > (Maybe you're already doing this... but anyway, here > we go:) I've > noticed you have a powerbook with Ableton Live, so a > workaround could > be to run the FCB into the laptop. Then make up MIDI > clips in Live > that do contain the MIDI data to control your > repeaters etc. Finally > set up MIDI bindings to trigger those Live MIDI > Clips from MIDI data > sent by your FCB. When doing this, make sure to not > use any of the > hidden data. Also make sure there is no MIDI Through > in Live. Live > should only be able to send out the content of those > MIDI Clips and > not what it gets at its MIDI input from your FCB. > This way you filter > out the hidden data from your pedal. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 06:44:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34DB13BEC7; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 06:44:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RGURZol5F0hY0JN3aWZsAsBhHtDCMCQX29jc/xWDHD2YZ53uWk5ajge+SIYF2byRFHFNT/8h/MZVApFgaHeKKF8c4KPeSDD7vfDoNqfWfhwLKekEAm2BAQ/x8IZgwGiqjnCoWT+9GHLbrCj57+cfw/fSEAo6pltGmVbZm9MJ3ek= ; Message-ID: <20061005064433.28627.qmail@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 23:44:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: fcb1010: dirty data...anyone ever noticed? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20F2E36F-EE65-4E33-BB85-713CEC072E9C@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 06:44:34 +0000 (UTC) This is great thank you Zoe ignore my previous message! cheers Luis --- Zoe Keating wrote: > To help me out with all this midi stuff I installed > MidiMonitor to > keep track of all the messages going in and out of > the computer. > Great little program. I also used it to generate a > detailed list of > all the messages I'm sending on each bank...it's > gotten complicated > enough that I've started forgetting what is where... > > Anyway...what's been pretty enlightening, watching > the midi messages > scroll by, is noticing a few bits of "extra" data > being sent along > with my patches.... occasionally. I also I noticed > that the Repeaters > don't wig out so much when controlled by the > computer as they do when > controlled by the FCB1010. I think quite a few of my > long-standing > midi problems are about the foot controller, not the > Repeater. > > (with one exception: every now and then I can still > make the Repeater > speed by pressing the Multiply button on the front, > and if I send too > many messages at once, or messages in rapid > succession the unit will > get stuck with a "Not Ready" message on the > LCD...but these problems > are my old friends now and we're used to each other) > > So back to those "extra", messages from the > FCB1010... > > has anyone ever noticed them??? > > In my case, it's always "hidden" Control data from > CNT1, that is > turned off in a patch, but about every 2nd press, > gets sent anyway! > > I can make it happen consistently every other time > by sending a Note > message. To test, I turned off every single switch > in a bank of > patches, EXCEPT for the Note switch (switch 0). The > "bonus" Control > message sent with the Note message is always what > WOULD be sent if > CNT1 switch (switch 6) were on. > > Very interesting.... > > I'm going to take this up on the FCB1010 forum, but > since there are a > few people who use this pedal, I thought I'd mention > it. > > Wish those Ground Control buttons weren't those > little metal doo- > dads....or I'd use that... > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 07:08:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 720ED3BEC7; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 07:08:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=dc50wW2usNHH4GD2LH1KcJOK7TFvWOen42AECCVmAgcX/5NlVVjjgOLXeC4vkOu0ehveC33hM0ATdLCcsWovsLLVuePRiHTgmTFFOQDQh/OpvB72Dbwhka4JVdeC3jallPMru0yHaLA2oy7FNrH1cG9LaA6LYz8zspx+jWeopJg= In-Reply-To: <220c01c6e80a$800228e0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> <005601c6e476$747d4b40$5a01a8c0@mark> <8bc80192a8ccfb3d766fee8629e5a221@pfmentum.com> <188501c6e4d7$561cd6f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4522DA71.3020503@addcom.de> <220c01c6e80a$800228e0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <653FCBCD-19B3-4FCB-A30A-52E0024553EF@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 09:08:35 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 07:08:40 +0000 (UTC) On 5 okt 2006, at 01.12, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Two things, on the wishlist...converting a PC VST to a MAC VST, When converting PC VST to Mac you must not leave out the AU plug-in format (better compatibility, more future proof). If some developer would release a Windows to OSX plug-in converter I would guess the AU format would be the target and eventually VST thrown in as an extra bonus. Today we have great converters from FXpansion that translates from VST/OSX to AU/OSX. When researching this I found that the wish for VST/Windows to AU(VST)/OSX has already been posted to FXpansion. I didn't hear about any such plans though and I can't say if it would even be technically possible. > > and converting a Reaktor Ensemble to a PC or MAC VST....that would > be musical ecstasy. :) You'd think they could do that with > Reaktor, like what you can do with MAX. Are you saying you have to CONVERT a Max patch created in Max/Windows before you can use it in Max/OSX? That's bad. I thought Max is saving your work in a platform independent document format? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 07:12:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F39C3BEB9; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 07:12:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=cNjpE3Kmhtq96lpGztxES2FtxgWT20Zh+FW4ODIzFK1hv6wU1M0UMl7fbZM6muaYka6GpfNktcPQzkP9OwwLx6SK/HEQ1VZTbW1WuQg99E12ss5rcG4twAtqD3KeE8hqgSIIDZVk8vwhMeXtn9pxjwWWn5A4AZBL3r1EEvQlCjU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061005064024.96358.qmail@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061005064024.96358.qmail@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <39A8C2FF-9508-4037-86A8-8CD28352D0B3@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: fcb1010: dirty data...anyone ever noticed? Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 09:12:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 07:12:26 +0000 (UTC) On 5 okt 2006, at 08.40, L.A. Angulo wrote: > sorry folks i missed soemthing here are u talking > about the midiOx app to filter out midi errors? > Luis No. (If you are addressing me here,) I was talking about Ableton Live =20= in this post. Per > --- Per Boysen wrote: > >> On 4 okt 2006, at 08.38, Zoe Keating wrote: >> >>> Anyway...what's been pretty enlightening, watching >> the midi >>> messages scroll by, is noticing a few bits of >> "extra" data being >>> sent along with my patches.... occasionally. I >> also I noticed that >>> the Repeaters don't wig out so much when >> controlled by the computer >>> as they do when controlled by the FCB1010. I think >> quite a few of >>> my long-standing midi problems are about the foot >> controller, not >>> the Repeater.=A7 >> >> >> Yes, I have had these problems with hidden MIDI data >> bursted out from >> the FCB1010. Some years ago I was unlucky to work >> with physical gear >> (EDP, Repeater, AKAI MFC42 filterbank) that did not >> allow me to make >> changes to which data the devices should react to. >> Some of the FCB >> hidden data applied to the set controller for the >> filterbank and made >> it loose sync way too often. >> >> (Maybe you're already doing this... but anyway, here >> we go:) I've >> noticed you have a powerbook with Ableton Live, so a >> workaround could >> be to run the FCB into the laptop. Then make up MIDI >> clips in Live >> that do contain the MIDI data to control your >> repeaters etc. Finally >> set up MIDI bindings to trigger those Live MIDI >> Clips from MIDI data >> sent by your FCB. When doing this, make sure to not >> use any of the >> hidden data. Also make sure there is no MIDI Through >> in Live. Live >> should only be able to send out the content of those >> MIDI Clips and >> not what it gets at its MIDI input from your FCB. >> This way you filter >> out the hidden data from your pedal. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >> http://www.myspace.com/looproom >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 08:15:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E48C53BEB6; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 08:15:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=n0wqHTGeV81lnFsi2J2cdpOjoe+/3rLFcUGY66PpwzC3jCcZR7UumfPi7zZq9yApDhyKO72fGl+jpaVv8zg7MEumIpq+YDHYReBkFuhmCbnwI4MWKplSeICSkDUHHS6b8P/8xgAA+uFDrKBKPi0qmq++lujQ0Xb/jzHdrrC62ic= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061005063310.70490.qmail@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061005063310.70490.qmail@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP more loops/feedback issues Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 10:15:34 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 08:15:41 +0000 (UTC) > I have >> ran into the >> problem you describe many times. What I do is to >> make sure I always >> have the feedback function assigned to that actual >> expression pedal >> in at least one patch with an "harmless" function - >> like for example >> Overdub. If I don't play anything I can press a >> short Overdub only to >> recall the patch that has feedback assigned to the >> expression pedal. On 5 okt 2006, at 08.33, L.A. Angulo wrote: > so if i understand correctly you assign a value of 127 > on the overdub button for example and press it shortly > to reset the controller? No. I'm talking about the FCB "PADS" assignment of particular FCB =20 PATCHES. When I press my foot at the overdub button the FCB is doing two =20 things: (1) Sending the MIDI Note for "Overdub" and (2) recalling the =20= pad assignments of that patch (since you call up a patch by pressing =20 a button), In my EDP rig I have different functions assigned to expression pedal =20= 2 in different patches. But since I know that when I press the undo =20 button I will also recall a patch that is using expression pedal 2 =20 for EDP Feedback. So if I recently called up a patch where I the =20 expression is used pedal for something different (like for example =20 tweaking the tempo division of the MIDI Clock beat sync LFO of my =20 filterbank) and suddenly discover that "oh, shit - I forgot the EDP =20 Feedback at 88 % and now all my music is vanishing!!!! HILFE - =20 HILFE!" ...he, he... what I can do in that situation is to quickly =20 press undo two times (on/off) without playing anything, only to make =20 the expression pedal 2 start sending the EDP Feedback data instead of =20= the Filterbank data. Then I push down the toe to maximize feedback =20 and get back to whatever I was doing. > >> Another strategy I have developed to stay out of >> such trouble, and >> also to be able to loop faster and more fluently, is >> to double up >> most function over many controller buttons. >> Especially the feedback >> functions. I like to have both expression pedals and >> twistable knobs >> or faders assigned to the same parameter. Then I can >> simply reach for >> the most immediate way to achieve feedback or >> whatever. > > this sounds cool,but it could create problems as > well...don=B4t know if i am understanding it right could > you give me a more specific example? Ok. Three examples: (1) Let's take that catastrophe scenario from above. I have a little =20= hand mixer beside the laptop (Faderfox) and some of the faders and =20 knobs are sending the same MIDI cc data that the FCB expression pedal =20= does send. So I can use either the pedal or a knob or a fader. (2) A typical example would be if I'm working in a FCB BANK where I =20 have no patch button ("pad", as the FCB manual calls them) that =20 brings up the particular MIDI cc I want for the expression pedal. =20 Then I simply reach out a hand and twist a knob - because that knob =20 is always sending this particular CC data. (3) In Mobius there are many times when I'm working on one track (the =20= selected track, equals one EDP in a multi EDP rig) and find that I =20 want to adjust feedback of a loop playing on a different track =20 (another EDP). Then it's handy to have hardware knobs directly =20 addressing feedback (and other functions) directly on different tracks. In Mobius there are both Feedback and Secondary Feedback and I like =20 to set it up to use them both. The Secondary Feedback can have any =20 setting because it only kicks in when loops are in Overdub, Multiply, =20= Substitute etc mode. The normal Feedback is usually set to 100 % and =20 I use it for fade outs or for manually creating volume patterns in =20 loops. All the best per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 10:28:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4A1A3BEC7; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 10:28:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 06:27:17 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <4524DE05.5000505@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 10:28:16 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 15:22:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA4D53BEC1; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 15:22:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003101c6e892$1ac44f20$800101df@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: "Loop List" References: Subject: OT: Studio pics. Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 11:15:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C6E86F.844276C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 15:22:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C6E86F.844276C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A few weeks ago I had the chance to move my studio stuff from my attic = (too hot in the summer, too cold in the winter) to a 'regular' room. = And, since I started having a grand old time with my cell-phone-camera, = I took a bunch of pics and posted them. =20 So, for your amusement... http://www.flickr.com/photos/90137639@N00/sets/72157594303469033/ It's not quite done, I need to change the paintings so I can hang a few = of the guitars I never play but want to look at. And the mics, and a CD = rack, and find a place for all the spare cables... litle things. --=20 -=3D=3D-=3D-=3D- Tony http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C6E86F.844276C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A few weeks ago I had the chance to = move my studio=20 stuff from my attic (too hot in the summer, too cold in the winter) to a = 'regular' room.  And, since I started having a grand old time with = my=20 cell-phone-camera, I took a bunch of pics and posted them.  =
 
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It's not quite done, I need to change = the paintings=20 so I can hang a few of the guitars I never play but want to look = at.  And=20 the mics, and a CD rack, and find a place for all the spare = cables... =20 litle things.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C6E86F.844276C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 16:00:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FCE83BECC; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 16:00:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 18:00:46 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" Message-ID: <20061005160046.327630@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RC50 Latency issues To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 16:00:48 +0000 (UTC) settings might be also interesting for the group... ... Besides the much cited "hiccup", all other so called "latency issues" proved to be wrong settings imo. At least, in my setup these things didn't appear or disappeared with the proper time settings. Please see below for proper time settings. Now, for me the RC-50 is my first "real" loooper. Buf if you are experienced with EDP/Repeater, there might be minor/major features you might be missing. Some annoying things are for me i.e.: changing tempo sounds awful (forget MIDI slave!) and it doesn't accept real short loops (i.e. half second). (I haven't used it with MIDI sync, no experience there). Some things are a bit annoying at the beginning but you get used to it (pedal handling, green/yellow lights). On the other hand, there are some great features for the money like: - three stereo loops + stereo aux send - loop length - nice extra commands with extra foot switches - useful all-in-one-box And for a lot of things there are actually work-arounds you woulnd't think possible first (feedback control, multiply..). So, Scott, my suggestion: print out the recommended time settings (see below), go to a music shop and try it out if it works for you. Then let us/me know what you think doesn't work. ;-) best regards Buzap RECOMMENDED BASIC TIME SETTINGS RC-50 ===================================== SINGLE MODE. # LOOP SYNC: OFF # GUIDE: OFF Turn off the GUIDE VOLUME knob all the way down to OFF. (Even if it's down: check it again, because switching patches could give it a different default value). # PHRASE1-3: TEMP SYNC: OFF Perform this for each PHRASE. MULTI MODE * GUIDE VOLUME: OFF * LOOP SYNC: OFF * For each PHRASE(1-3): TEMPO SYNC: ON (!!!) (Make sure you don't accidentally hit the TEMPO PEDAL.) -- GMX DSL-Flatrate 0,- Euro* - Überall, wo DSL verfügbar ist! NEU: Jetzt bis zu 16.000 kBit/s! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl -- GMX DSL-Flatrate 0,- Euro* - Überall, wo DSL verfügbar ist! NEU: Jetzt bis zu 16.000 kBit/s! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 17:19:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08AFC3BED0; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:19:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAACfbJEWBTopAAgcCDAcGHQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20061005181650.01b56a10@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 18:19:45 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: RC50 Latency issues In-Reply-To: <20061005160046.327630@gmx.net> References: <20061005160046.327630@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <3jyApD.A.2mC.j6TJFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:19:31 +0000 (UTC) > >... >Besides the much cited "hiccup", thanks Buzap, you're the RC-50 wizzard. Surely the hiccup shouldn't happen whatever the settings? It's great to know that the hiccup can be avoided, but I'm guessing that this means you have to avoid certain features. Would be great if you could clarify for us. thanks andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 17:27:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2455C3BED8; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:27:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <19720253.1160069271105.JavaMail.root@web20> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 10:27:51 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC50 Latency issues Cc: a k butler MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <75x4RC.A.w6C.cCUJFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:27:57 +0000 (UTC) I must be getting used to it. The 'hiccup' doesn't seem as prominent as in the past. Maybe the RC-50 needs 'broken in'. ;) -- Paul Richards ---- a k butler wrote: > > > > >... > >Besides the much cited "hiccup", > > thanks Buzap, you're the RC-50 wizzard. > > Surely the hiccup shouldn't happen whatever the settings? > > It's great to know that the hiccup can be avoided, but I'm guessing > that this means you have to avoid certain features. Would be great if > you could clarify for us. > > thanks > > andy butler > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 17:31:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D77593BED5; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:31:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <23002082.1160069475662.JavaMail.root@web20> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 10:31:15 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC50 End of Loop MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:31:16 +0000 (UTC) Am I missing something? I haven't seen any way to determine the end of a loop, i.e. visually on the RC-50. Am I correct in that understanding? If the bars or whatever of a loop sound similar and maybe they don't lend themselves to a count off, then I guess there's no way to determine loop end (?). -- Paul Richards ---- a k butler wrote: > > > > >... > >Besides the much cited "hiccup", > > thanks Buzap, you're the RC-50 wizzard. > > Surely the hiccup shouldn't happen whatever the settings? > > It's great to know that the hiccup can be avoided, but I'm guessing > that this means you have to avoid certain features. Would be great if > you could clarify for us. > > thanks > > andy butler > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 17:35:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 215483BEDE; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:35:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <22c301c6e8a4$b3d9bdf0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> <005601c6e476$747d4b40$5a01a8c0@mark> <8bc80192a8ccfb3d766fee8629e5a221@pfmentum.com> <188501c6e4d7$561cd6f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4522DA71.3020503@addcom.de> <220c01c6e80a$800228e0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <653FCBCD-19B3-4FCB-A30A-52E0024553EF@gmail.com> Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 11:35:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:35:54 +0000 (UTC) From: "Per Boysen" > > Are you saying you have to CONVERT a Max patch created in Max/Windows > before you can use it in Max/OSX? That's bad. I thought Max is saving > your work in a platform independent document format? I MAX patch created in Windows will only work as a Windows VST, to my knowledge, not in MAC. I would have to send my MAX patch to someone with MAX on a Mac, and they could convert to a Mac compatible VST. At least I think this is how it works! Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 17:47:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D1323BEDF; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:47:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=JOWrpaSa7XjbDlupqr7zBz5Lc5QZiUeqBPIXdzWQnVMFbQwC1KSOF/0BSOJQ1RG0tCHvguvPfNWQaZ0D0/jO9ZBA70RGAGRuy976IuqzrolVF5/IPgraKYQSrUfz/h36K6/u4h8XTUo+P0I/FL5bdmQVn96IWaIciS0bpB9gpPM= In-Reply-To: <22c301c6e8a4$b3d9bdf0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> <005601c6e476$747d4b40$5a01a8c0@mark> <8bc80192a8ccfb3d766fee8629e5a221@pfmentum.com> <188501c6e4d7$561cd6f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4522DA71.3020503@addcom.de> <220c01c6e80a$800228e0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <653FCBCD-19B3-4FCB-A30A-52E0024553EF@gmail.com> <22c301c6e8a4$b3d9bdf0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <18DFDDAA-CF78-4756-8336-AC5C22043229@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:47:20 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:47:29 +0000 (UTC) > From: "Per Boysen" >> >> Are you saying you have to CONVERT a Max patch created in Max/ >> Windows before you can use it in Max/OSX? That's bad. I thought >> Max is saving your work in a platform independent document format? > On 5 okt 2006, at 19.35, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I MAX patch created in Windows will only work as a Windows VST, to > my knowledge, not in MAC. I would have to send my MAX patch to > someone with MAX on a Mac, and they could convert to a Mac > compatible VST. At least I think this is how it works! Are you sure you can save a max patch "as VST"? Isn't VST quite another plug-in format than normally used in Max? I know you can save plug-ins created in Max, as for example the excellent Pluggo suite, but I've never heard that should be the same as Steinbergs format VST? If you have Max installed, will you really have to save your patch as a plug-in? I have always thought you simply save it as "a work document for Max". And I have also presumed that, since a couple of years, such a "Max work document" may be opened either from Max in Windows or from Max in OSX. Is that correct? One thing I really appreciate in Ableton Live is that documents as well as "als" files (time-stretch and pitch data) may be opened, edited and saved on both OSX and XP with no compatibility issues. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 18:21:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16B263BEC7; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 18:21:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6ZxMNTIvQxY6BKXyPY43D7qt0xsNSA9uZAl8254n0O67RRJKXrNPkbm1XsBFaS0pz1XRu5uWVSeFaFBIkq6dT5gQN/uNc7d8unpiJe3LjpwEV9jpM4JiflT2OqWqS0A4WXM0v7qZSSFO43p9QYNbdGQzu0+UaMxyj+KXCwEaorY= ; Message-ID: <20061005182111.53251.qmail@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 11:21:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Ferrara Brain Pan Subject: Re: RC50 Latency issues To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20061005160046.327630@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 18:21:13 +0000 (UTC) This is worthwhile info... Nevertheless, I have to question whether or why any consumer would feel willing to pay $500 (unless you've got that kind of money to toss around carelessly) for a piece of equipment which you then have to spend time getting used to its annoyances, and developing workarounds for its design limitations (failure to build in features that are included on comparably or lesser priced models)... I can find plenty of things in life to get frustrated over without having to pay scarce money for the privilege... --- Buzap Buzap wrote: > settings might be also interesting for the group... > > ... > Besides the much cited "hiccup", all other so called "latency issues" proved to be wrong > settings imo. At least, in my setup these things didn't appear or disappeared with the proper > time settings. Please see below for proper time settings. > > Now, for me the RC-50 is my first "real" loooper. Buf if you are experienced with EDP/Repeater, > there might be minor/major features you might be missing. > Some annoying things are for me i.e.: changing tempo sounds awful (forget MIDI slave!) and it > doesn't accept real short loops (i.e. half second). > (I haven't used it with MIDI sync, no experience there). > Some things are a bit annoying at the beginning but you get used to it (pedal handling, > green/yellow lights). > > On the other hand, there are some great features for the money like: > - three stereo loops + stereo aux send > - loop length > - nice extra commands with extra foot switches > - useful all-in-one-box > > And for a lot of things there are actually work-arounds you woulnd't think possible first > (feedback control, multiply..). > > So, Scott, my suggestion: print out the recommended time settings (see below), go to a music > shop and try it out if it works for you. > Then let us/me know what you think doesn't work. > ;-) > > best regards > Buzap > > RECOMMENDED BASIC TIME SETTINGS RC-50 > ===================================== > SINGLE MODE. > # LOOP SYNC: OFF > # GUIDE: OFF > Turn off the GUIDE VOLUME knob all the way down to OFF. (Even if it's down: check it again, > because switching patches could give it a different default value). > # PHRASE1-3: TEMP SYNC: OFF > Perform this for each PHRASE. > > MULTI MODE > * GUIDE VOLUME: OFF > * LOOP SYNC: OFF > * For each PHRASE(1-3): TEMPO SYNC: ON (!!!) > (Make sure you don't accidentally hit the TEMPO PEDAL.) > > > -- > GMX DSL-Flatrate 0,- Euro* - Überall, wo DSL verfügbar ist! > NEU: Jetzt bis zu 16.000 kBit/s! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl > > -- > GMX DSL-Flatrate 0,- Euro* - Überall, wo DSL verfügbar ist! > NEU: Jetzt bis zu 16.000 kBit/s! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl > > Ferrara Brain Pan http://www.formsofthingsunknown.com "Let the great constellation of flickering ashes be heard..." Noel Scott Engel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 18:33:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4915A3BEDC; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 18:33:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4692675.1160073189596.JavaMail.root@web20> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 11:33:09 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC50 Latency issues Cc: Ferrara Brain Pan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 18:33:11 +0000 (UTC) (failure to build in features that are included on comparably=20 or lesser priced models) I don't believe that this statement is true. What features are included on = lesser priced models? Feedback on a delay unit?=20 - Paul Richards ---- Ferrara Brain Pan wrote:=20 > This is worthwhile info... >=20 > Nevertheless, I have to question whether or why any consumer would feel w= illing to pay $500 > (unless you've got that kind of money to toss around carelessly) for a pi= ece of equipment which > you then have to spend time getting used to its annoyances, and developin= g workarounds for its > design limitations (failure to build in features that are included on com= parably or lesser priced > models)... I can find plenty of things in life to get frustrated over wit= hout having to pay scarce > money for the privilege... >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Buzap Buzap wrote: >=20 > > settings might be also interesting for the group... > >=20 > > ... > > Besides the much cited "hiccup", all other so called "latency issues" p= roved to be wrong > > settings imo. At least, in my setup these things didn't appear or disap= peared with the proper > > time settings. Please see below for proper time settings. > >=20 > > Now, for me the RC-50 is my first "real" loooper. Buf if you are experi= enced with EDP/Repeater, > > there might be minor/major features you might be missing. > > Some annoying things are for me i.e.: changing tempo sounds awful (forg= et MIDI slave!) and it > > doesn't accept real short loops (i.e. half second). > > (I haven't used it with MIDI sync, no experience there). > > Some things are a bit annoying at the beginning but you get used to it = (pedal handling, > > green/yellow lights). > >=20 > > On the other hand, there are some great features for the money like: > > - three stereo loops + stereo aux send > > - loop length > > - nice extra commands with extra foot switches > > - useful all-in-one-box > >=20 > > And for a lot of things there are actually work-arounds you woulnd't th= ink possible first > > (feedback control, multiply..). > >=20 > > So, Scott, my suggestion: print out the recommended time settings (see = below), go to a music > > shop and try it out if it works for you. > > Then let us/me know what you think doesn't work. > > ;-) > >=20 > > best regards > > Buzap > >=20 > > RECOMMENDED BASIC TIME SETTINGS RC-50 > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > SINGLE MODE. > > # LOOP SYNC: OFF > > # GUIDE: OFF > > Turn off the GUIDE VOLUME knob all the way down to OFF. (Even if it's d= own: check it again, > > because switching patches could give it a different default value). > > # PHRASE1-3: TEMP SYNC: OFF > > Perform this for each PHRASE. > >=20 > > MULTI MODE > > * GUIDE VOLUME: OFF > > * LOOP SYNC: OFF > > * For each PHRASE(1-3): TEMPO SYNC: ON (!!!)=20 > > (Make sure you don't accidentally hit the TEMPO PEDAL.) > >=20 > >=20 > > --=20 > > GMX DSL-Flatrate 0,- Euro* - =C3=9Cberall, wo DSL verf=C3=BCgbar ist! > > NEU: Jetzt bis zu 16.000 kBit/s! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl > >=20 > > --=20 > > GMX DSL-Flatrate 0,- Euro* - =C3=9Cberall, wo DSL verf=C3=BCgbar ist! > > NEU: Jetzt bis zu 16.000 kBit/s! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 > Ferrara Brain Pan >=20 > http://www.formsofthingsunknown.com >=20 >=20 > "Let the great constellation of flickering ashes be heard..." > = =20 > Noel Scott Engel >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 19:26:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B78E73BECD; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:26:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <22c301c6e8a4$b3d9bdf0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> <005601c6e476$747d4b40$5a01a8c0@mark> <8bc80192a8ccfb3d766fee8629e5a221@pfmentum.com> <188501c6e4d7$561cd6f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4522DA71.3020503@addcom.de> <220c01c6e80a$800228e0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <653FCBCD-19B3-4FCB-A30A-52E0024553EF@gmail.com> <22c301c6e8a4$b3d9bdf0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 12:26:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:26:38 +0000 (UTC) Actually, a Windows or Mac max patch will work in either platform. Once=20= made into a VST, it becomes locked into the OS in which it was=20 compiled. I think that is what you mean in your second sentence. Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Oct 5, 2006, at 10:35 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > From: "Per Boysen" >> >> Are you saying you have to CONVERT a Max patch created in Max/Windows=20= >> before you can use it in Max/OSX? That's bad. I thought Max is saving=20= >> your work in a platform independent document format? > > I MAX patch created in Windows will only work as a Windows VST, to my=20= > knowledge, not in MAC. I would have to send my MAX patch to someone=20 > with MAX on a Mac, and they could convert to a Mac compatible VST. At=20= > least I think this is how it works! > > Kris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 19:31:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D2A53BED5; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:31:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <18DFDDAA-CF78-4756-8336-AC5C22043229@gmail.com> References: <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> <005601c6e476$747d4b40$5a01a8c0@mark> <8bc80192a8ccfb3d766fee8629e5a221@pfmentum.com> <188501c6e4d7$561cd6f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4522DA71.3020503@addcom.de> <220c01c6e80a$800228e0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <653FCBCD-19B3-4FCB-A30A-52E0024553EF@gmail.com> <22c301c6e8a4$b3d9bdf0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <18DFDDAA-CF78-4756-8336-AC5C22043229@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <1b1798d984762aef554c14f91e49e7aa@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 12:31:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:31:42 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 5, 2006, at 10:47 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Are you sure you can save a max patch "as VST"? Isn't VST quite=20 > another plug-in format than normally used in Max? I know you can save=20= > plug-ins created in Max, as for example the excellent Pluggo suite,=20 > but I've never heard that should be the same as Steinbergs format VST? The plugins you compile in max run as VST through pluggo....and yes,=20 pluggo runtime is available for free > > If you have Max installed, will you really have to save your patch as=20= > a plug-in? you can save your patch as a plugin or even a standalone application. > I have always thought you simply save it as "a work document for Max".=20= > And I have also presumed that, since a couple of years, such a "Max=20 > work document" may be opened either from Max in Windows or from Max in=20= > OSX. Is that correct? Max can be opened, edited, created by either windows or mac. correct... > One thing I really appreciate in Ableton Live is that documents as=20 > well as "als" files (time-stretch and pitch data) may be opened,=20 > edited and saved on both OSX and XP with no compatibility issues. same with max patches. both platforms use the same objects. some third=20= party add on objects are only available in one or the other platform. Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 19:47:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D04413BED5; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:47:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=hLdPJKcNA+SjOipW8cZbhwaZxKAtrOrw8Q83r7UQ89gkoRnIMddBzDTgHyOiEMd+JZKFi76wcMdBdEYdBngdOWVu9iwQyIIlP+YGfkzplPzYwVKEoamS53fUoBpBMpqAf64YbUMOSf8w5qupym9cG59DbLVLXWzQzfwnE9udICQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <1b1798d984762aef554c14f91e49e7aa@pfmentum.com> References: <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> <005601c6e476$747d4b40$5a01a8c0@mark> <8bc80192a8ccfb3d766fee8629e5a221@pfmentum.com> <188501c6e4d7$561cd6f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4522DA71.3020503@addcom.de> <220c01c6e80a$800228e0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <653FCBCD-19B3-4FCB-A30A-52E0024553EF@gmail.com> <22c301c6e8a4$b3d9bdf0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <18DFDDAA-CF78-4756-8336-AC5C22043229@gmail.com> <1b1798d984762aef554c14f91e49e7aa@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 21:47:00 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:47:11 +0000 (UTC) On 5 okt 2006, at 21.31, Jeff Kaiser wrote: >> I have always thought you simply save it as "a work document for >> Max". And I have also presumed that, since a couple of years, such >> a "Max work document" may be opened either from Max in Windows or >> from Max in OSX. Is that correct? > > Max can be opened, edited, created by either windows or mac. > correct... Phiew... thanks! :-) I use almost solely OSX software, but since Mobius appeared I also keep a Windows XP license on the side. It's good to know Max is truly cross platform so l can keep it on my shopping list (if Mobius should not go OSX, enabling me to use it with Numerology - but I guess there's not much hope for that) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 20:23:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 161773BECC; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 20:23:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> <005601c6e476$747d4b40$5a01a8c0@mark> <8bc80192a8ccfb3d766fee8629e5a221@pfmentum.com> <188501c6e4d7$561cd6f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4522DA71.3020503@addcom.de> <220c01c6e80a$800228e0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <653FCBCD-19B3-4FCB-A30A-52E0024553EF@gmail.com> <22c301c6e8a4$b3d9bdf0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <18DFDDAA-CF78-4756-8336-AC5C22043229@gmail.com> <1b1798d984762aef554c14f91e49e7aa@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 13:23:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 20:23:19 +0000 (UTC) you are quite welcome. I am completely OSX, as well. Numerology looks very cool....but I love my max/msp..... As Kris has noted, while raising two kids, maintaining a relationship=20 with his wife, and having a full-time job. He made his vst host....in a=20= very short period using his free time. It does exactly what he wants it=20= to do, the way he wants to do it. Defining the term "flexible software=20= instrument." But here is the big plus: He realized how relatively clear cut it is,=20 so he took and expanded on the knowledge gained from constructing the=20 host, and is now making his own audio patches, and making them into=20 plugins....delays, pitch transposers, et al Mobius to mac would be awesome....(I know, I've said it before)....but=20= until then, I'm very happy with the loopers I've constructed. I've=20 recently added overdubbing loopers with pitch transposition and=20 degradation on the feedback channels. Too much fun. Also: Regarding Zoe's problem. the midiparse object in max routes=20 specific midi data to specific outlets, putting everything in its own=20 place. so, if midi data artifacts were being generated in the wrong=20 place, they would not get through to the end of that stream....I had=20 this problem before, when I used to do more midi control, but midiparse=20= fixed it. best, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Oct 5, 2006, at 12:47 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Phiew... thanks! :-) I use almost solely OSX software, but since=20 > Mobius appeared I also keep a Windows XP license on the side. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 22:46:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6AD23BEC2; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 22:46:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002f01c6e8d0$337fe860$96f49643@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <4692675.1160073189596.JavaMail.root@web20> Subject: Re: RC50 Latency issues Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 15:47:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 22:46:27 +0000 (UTC) The reality is that *every* last product out there, at whatever price point, will pose logistical problems, and in most cases will have at least one feature that works exactly the opposite of what you'd like it to. Making a choice seems to be mostly about learning which interface is the best fit both ergonimically and mentally, and which one has the best balance of features for it's price point. There are some days that all I loop with is a short delay and manipulate the feedback and input gate. Other times I really like using all the advanced features of my EDP. At this point, I know beyond a doubt that the EDP gets me to most of the places I need to go. I'd love for it to be stereo, but a Vortex on the output of the EDP still gets me pretty far along. Good luck . . . make a decision and make some music man! Miko Biffle -- "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." C'mon over to MySpace! www.myspace.com/biffozz Now playing 'Rough' www.cdbaby.com/biffoz The Chain Tape Collective! www.ct-collective.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Richards" To: Cc: "Ferrara Brain Pan" Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 11:33 AM Subject: Re: RC50 Latency issues (failure to build in features that are included on comparably or lesser priced models) I don't believe that this statement is true. What features are included on lesser priced models? Feedback on a delay unit? ---- Ferrara Brain Pan wrote: > This is worthwhile info... > > Nevertheless, I have to question whether or why any consumer would feel willing to pay $500 > (unless you've got that kind of money to toss around carelessly) for a piece of equipment which > you then have to spend time getting used to its annoyances, and developing workarounds for its > design limitations (failure to build in features that are included on comparably or lesser priced > models)... I can find plenty of things in life to get frustrated over without having to pay scarce > money for the privilege... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 02:04:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BC373BEB9; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 02:04:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <244c01c6e8eb$bb7b81f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> <005601c6e476$747d4b40$5a01a8c0@mark> <8bc80192a8ccfb3d766fee8629e5a221@pfmentum.com> <188501c6e4d7$561cd6f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4522DA71.3020503@addcom.de> <220c01c6e80a$800228e0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <653FCBCD-19B3-4FCB-A30A-52E0024553EF@gmail.com> <22c301c6e8a4$b3d9bdf0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <18DFDDAA-CF78-4756-8336-AC5C22043229@gmail.com> <1b1798d984762aef554c14f91e49e7aa@pfmentum.com> Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 20:04:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 02:04:20 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" > As Kris has noted, while raising two kids, maintaining a relationship with his wife, and having a full-time job. He made his vst host....in a very short period using his free time. It does exactly what he wants it to do, the way he wants to do it. Defining the term "flexible software instrument." Of course, I had one of the best MAX mentors around...YOU!! For two weeks I called and emailed Jeff like he was 1-900-HOT-MAXX :) And I can't go without thanking Stefan, who is also another MAX genius and has helped me streamline my new Hartungian Interval Stacker...a patch (which I will eventually convert to VST) that constructs any chord or set of intervals, like Dominant 7b9b5, or stacked minor 2nds, whole tones, etc, just by playing the root note.....amazing fun. > Mobius to mac would be awesome....(I know, I've said it before)....but until then, I'm very happy with the loopers I've constructed. I've recently added overdubbing loopers with pitch transposition and degradation on the feedback channels. Too much fun. Yeah, the patch with degradation is freakin's awesome. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 07:40:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 728523BEB3; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 07:40:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6EWRTz2VCMjB+mrTc4/ilUmKkV41mYABRxB/1GvXWO2SqcL9shcmxWjgtyHB1punWPLZt9z45I/I58UcCqEvoAFWfMng4VOXIVUG/xEW7GXSUIF5nofOx1qx91rtAaK/T9v4A1p/BnU3mVsPQBuAIV+ltqJdhBq1DkWWVFZ5l5g= ; Message-ID: <20061006074010.51876.qmail@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 00:40:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: EDP more loops/feedback issues To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 07:40:12 +0000 (UTC) Yes i gotcha now great tips and valuable info man thank you!! cheers Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > > I have > >> ran into the > >> problem you describe many times. What I do is to > >> make sure I always > >> have the feedback function assigned to that > actual > >> expression pedal > >> in at least one patch with an "harmless" function > - > >> like for example > >> Overdub. If I don't play anything I can press a > >> short Overdub only to > >> recall the patch that has feedback assigned to > the > >> expression pedal. > > > On 5 okt 2006, at 08.33, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > > so if i understand correctly you assign a value of > 127 > > on the overdub button for example and press it > shortly > > to reset the controller? > > No. I'm talking about the FCB "PADS" assignment of > particular FCB > PATCHES. > > When I press my foot at the overdub button the FCB > is doing two > things: (1) Sending the MIDI Note for "Overdub" and > (2) recalling the > pad assignments of that patch (since you call up a > patch by pressing > a button), > > In my EDP rig I have different functions assigned to > expression pedal > 2 in different patches. But since I know that when I > press the undo > button I will also recall a patch that is using > expression pedal 2 > for EDP Feedback. So if I recently called up a patch > where I the > expression is used pedal for something different > (like for example > tweaking the tempo division of the MIDI Clock beat > sync LFO of my > filterbank) and suddenly discover that "oh, shit - I > forgot the EDP > Feedback at 88 % and now all my music is > vanishing!!!! HILFE - > HILFE!" ...he, he... what I can do in that > situation is to quickly > press undo two times (on/off) without playing > anything, only to make > the expression pedal 2 start sending the EDP > Feedback data instead of > the Filterbank data. Then I push down the toe to > maximize feedback > and get back to whatever I was doing. > > > > >> Another strategy I have developed to stay out of > >> such trouble, and > >> also to be able to loop faster and more fluently, > is > >> to double up > >> most function over many controller buttons. > >> Especially the feedback > >> functions. I like to have both expression pedals > and > >> twistable knobs > >> or faders assigned to the same parameter. Then I > can > >> simply reach for > >> the most immediate way to achieve feedback or > >> whatever. > > > > this sounds cool,but it could create problems as > > well...don´t know if i am understanding it right > could > > you give me a more specific example? > > > Ok. Three examples: > (1) Let's take that catastrophe scenario from > above. I have a little > hand mixer beside the laptop (Faderfox) and some of > the faders and > knobs are sending the same MIDI cc data that the FCB > expression pedal > does send. So I can use either the pedal or a knob > or a fader. > > (2) A typical example would be if I'm working in a > FCB BANK where I > have no patch button ("pad", as the FCB manual calls > them) that > brings up the particular MIDI cc I want for the > expression pedal. > Then I simply reach out a hand and twist a knob - > because that knob > is always sending this particular CC data. > > (3) In Mobius there are many times when I'm working > on one track (the > selected track, equals one EDP in a multi EDP rig) > and find that I > want to adjust feedback of a loop playing on a > different track > (another EDP). Then it's handy to have hardware > knobs directly > addressing feedback (and other functions) directly > on different tracks. > > In Mobius there are both Feedback and Secondary > Feedback and I like > to set it up to use them both. The Secondary > Feedback can have any > setting because it only kicks in when loops are in > Overdub, Multiply, > Substitute etc mode. The normal Feedback is usually > set to 100 % and > I use it for fade outs or for manually creating > volume patterns in > loops. > > All the best > > per > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 08:23:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DD393BEB9; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:23:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wfasAjZCEKezs2et6JJyRuq57lKxDP0mRTY0kPJvyW95RTvB8odaC4UVWik05R/kU06YlyXPh+pi0osGQyBW6vphWve52tywgPpmCjCjD03gq1Ozv5HsZbiBzHITrZq7BstLgX76vVdGpaA/HiM+KfYosr0G77/UARQRD57eBuw= ; Message-ID: <20061006082314.71413.qmail@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 01:23:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT: Studio pics. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003101c6e892$1ac44f20$800101df@Exscribe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <0ygYMD.A.mo.zJhJFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:23:15 +0000 (UTC) Great thank you Tony!I love to see work enviroments please people feel free to direct me to pictures of your studios gear etc.i am moving soon to a new house where i am setting a studio into a room which is all cement and concrete at the moment, so i am gathering ideas. By the way,if anybody has experience about setting up studio walls floors proper acoustics(which is better carpet,wood? etc.) but cost effectively(no egg boxes please)let me know. cheers Luis --- Tony K wrote: > A few weeks ago I had the chance to move my studio > stuff from my attic (too hot in the summer, too cold > in the winter) to a 'regular' room. And, since I > started having a grand old time with my > cell-phone-camera, I took a bunch of pics and posted > them. > > So, for your amusement... > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/90137639@N00/sets/72157594303469033/ > > It's not quite done, I need to change the paintings > so I can hang a few of the guitars I never play but > want to look at. And the mics, and a CD rack, and > find a place for all the spare cables... litle > things. > > -- > -==-=-=- > Tony > http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 08:36:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF3C53BED0; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:36:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=MqPU1kPZ0gBqjliH7HJM9sZvyBtNMGZWr2eRd8Pde/kg4fSWUStmsfj7N3LfIFofk585ECZbyEHxlwKu9YcaUttFkoV1qx38iK+PRMUq9KT4NsYnapg5ilIkATaTL1Po6OdhaErku20gy/pTzchByPl66dqSFjWuUMgPt//jvck= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061006082314.71413.qmail@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061006082314.71413.qmail@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: Studio pics. Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 10:36:45 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:36:50 +0000 (UTC) On 6 okt 2006, at 10.23, L.A. Angulo wrote: > By the way,if anybody has experience about setting up > studio walls floors proper acoustics(which is better > carpet,wood? etc.) but cost effectively(no egg boxes > please)let me know. I've been to many studios and what usually matters most, when the facility is not designed and built according to studio acoustics, is that the room should be big enough (to minimize reflection interference - may be worked around a bit by using small monitors, though). It's also good to keep big objects in the room. Tony's Spaghetti Sofa is a good bass trap for example, but even hard surfaced big objects are good for splitting up reflections to prevent standing frequency peaks in the rooms resonance character. The rooms listening environment is really the most important factor because even top speakers can't deliver what you need them for if placed in a bad room. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 19:30:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69FD23BEC1; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 19:30:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=iO2P/I+z7HNDT6HRPLI+SuyUUE8vaQaUQbPBi29/Ss76lWNvghMtEAT+S3yuZVl4ve7/MXJ7Cj1UKRdC9WdRKA8cynqo/qX96vWC1tGY3HT/y5GTJbWQyMCT44jAgpd68SxBXPArUdWAEs70TnItLXZNctMSIuEfWWMVE22ODF0= ; Message-ID: <20061006193010.8384.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 12:30:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT: Studio pics. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 19:30:13 +0000 (UTC) Thanx Per! Now i am caught in a dream just look at this gorgeous magical place: http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dreal%2Bworld%2Bstudios%26ei%3DUTF-8%26fr%3Dyfp-t-500%26x%3Dwrt&w=540&h=271&imgurl=www.recordproduction.com%2Freal-world-studios1.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.recordproduction.com%2Frealworld.htm&size=113.1kB&name=real-world-studios1.jpg&p=real+world+studios&type=jpeg&no=2&tt=495&oid=96eb9b3ae21088f2&ei=UTF-8 Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 6 okt 2006, at 10.23, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > > By the way,if anybody has experience about setting > up > > studio walls floors proper acoustics(which is > better > > carpet,wood? etc.) but cost effectively(no egg > boxes > > please)let me know. > > > I've been to many studios and what usually matters > most, when the > facility is not designed and built according to > studio acoustics, is > that the room should be big enough (to minimize > reflection > interference - may be worked around a bit by using > small monitors, > though). It's also good to keep big objects in the > room. Tony's > Spaghetti Sofa is a good bass trap for example, but > even hard > surfaced big objects are good for splitting up > reflections to prevent > standing frequency peaks in the rooms resonance > character. The rooms > listening environment is really the most important > factor because > even top speakers can't deliver what you need them > for if placed in a > bad room. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 7 02:19:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C71E3BECC; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 02:19:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dOeh9xhZmhZZio7oHvs78vzP31KfVws8VCdRGEYOkipNYAKDhIqu6nUk14jgcJ1CRImo8ME0+k18hbALeZHBQ9yqbCOeuINM1GXPOukI5WxtAi2VV9NOnb0U3phMylv8fbVRfP5Ob+jxkMq8IWyaYWALrGncwUkVhFYkeXVggp4= ; Message-ID: <20061006221802.41618.qmail@web27709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 23:18:02 +0100 (BST) From: Tony Douglas Subject: Re: OT: Studio pics. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20061006082314.71413.qmail@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 02:19:26 +0000 (UTC) Sound on Sound have a forum specifically for discussing studio design and building - it's at http://www.soundonsound.com/forum/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=DESIGN - the Studio SOS features each month usually have handy bits and pieces of information about room layouts, acoustic treatment and so on. - Tony PS. Yes, the photos were good too :) --- "L.A. Angulo" wrote: > Great thank you Tony!I love to see work enviroments > please people feel free to direct me to pictures of > your studios gear etc.i am moving soon to a new > house > where i am setting a studio into a room which is all > cement and concrete at the moment, so i am gathering > ideas. > By the way,if anybody has experience about setting > up > studio walls floors proper acoustics(which is better > carpet,wood? etc.) but cost effectively(no egg boxes > please)let me know. > cheers > Luis > > > > > --- Tony K wrote: > > > A few weeks ago I had the chance to move my studio > > stuff from my attic (too hot in the summer, too > cold > > in the winter) to a 'regular' room. And, since I > > started having a grand old time with my > > cell-phone-camera, I took a bunch of pics and > posted > > them. > > > > So, for your amusement... > > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/90137639@N00/sets/72157594303469033/ > > > > It's not quite done, I need to change the > paintings > > so I can hang a few of the guitars I never play > but > > want to look at. And the mics, and a CD rack, and > > find a place for all the spare cables... litle > > things. > > > > -- > > -==-=-=- > > Tony > > http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ___________________________________________________________ Inbox full of spam? Get leading spam protection and 1GB storage with All New Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 7 02:42:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C76043BECC; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 02:42:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,274,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="964765101:sNHT21540472" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20061006193010.8384.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061006193010.8384.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9e93ea80adf75952d678868bd42d2a62@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: OT: IDEAL SMALL STUDIO SPECIFICATIONS FOR LOOPERS? (WAS OT: STUDIO PICS) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 17:35:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <8LISB.A.I1B.TQxJFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 02:42:27 +0000 (UTC) Greetings earthlings and other pilgrims, While the previous OT discussion was being kicked about, it suddenly dawned on me that this question is perhaps NOT so off-topic for loopers per se. As often as not, perhaps even more often, looping is a solitary occupation not needing a large room for a whole band to fit in -- even though some of us do have a lot of gear to consider. And, sometimes being the painfully weird, experimental noise-makers that we often are, practicing in the family living room (or even out in the garage) does not make much of a recipe for domestic bliss. A safe and sane sonic sanctuary situated somewhere in the sideyard (or the south 40) sounds like a simply splendiferous idea. I am contemplating building a small, detatched studio room/structure beside my home here in Oregon. The funny thing is, in this area you can legally build up to a 200 square foot building without any expensive building permits -- which suddenly makes it not only a rather feasable but even an affordable idea -- no permits, fees, licenses and I can more-or-less build it myself (with a little help for parts where I either don't own the tools or have adequate knowledge). Since, as the discussion last mentioned that "SIZE MATTERS" (as well as shape and sound baffling/controlling surfaces), what sort of layout might anyone here recommend for a room of that size. I was a thinking of a just a 16' x 12.5' rectangle. But, I sort of surmised that perhaps those dimensions might not be ideal. I was thinking of modifying a regular garage/shed kit of some sort -- so trying to build the perfect seven-sided saucer-shaped audio igloo thingy won't work either. I gotta think WITHIN THE BOX as it were. Do any of you have any expert thoughts about shapes and sizes for MUSICALLY pleasing recording rooms at or under 200 square feet and are still fairly rectangular? This is not the sort of thing one can log on ans ASK THIS OLD HOUSE is it. So . . . I am asking you all. Cheers, Best regards, Ted Killiansmall monitors, >> though). It's also good to keep big objects in the >> room. Tony's >> Spaghetti Sofa is a good bass trap for example, but >> even hard >> surfaced big objects are good for splitting up >> reflections to prevent >> standing frequency peaks in the rooms resonance >> character. The rooms >> listening environment is really the most important >> factor because >> even top speakers can't deliver what you need them >> for if placed in a >> bad room. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >> http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 7 02:58:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11A353BECD; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 02:58:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1631149985.1160172521802.JavaMail.root@fepweb09> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 15:08:41 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: IDEAL SMALL STUDIO SPECIFICATIONS FOR LOOPERS -- Was: Re: OT: Studio pics. Cc: "L.A. Angulo" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 66.169.252.252 by mail.charter.net; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 18:08:41 -0400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 02:58:17 +0000 (UTC) Greetings earthlings and other pilgrims, While the previous OT discussion was being kicked about, it suddenly dawned= on me that this question is perhaps NOT so off-topic for loopers per se. A= s often as not, perhaps even more often, looping is a solitary occupation n= ot needing a large room for a whole band to fit in -- even though some of u= s do have a lot of gear to consider. And, sometimes being the painfully wei= rd, experimental noise-makers that we often are, practicing in the family l= iving room (or even out in the garage) does not make much of a recipe for = domestic bliss. A safe and sane sonic sanctuary situated somewhere in the s= ideyard (or the south 40) sounds like a simply splendiferous idea. I am contemplating building a small, detatched studio room/structure besid= e my home here in Oregon. The funny thing is, in this area you can legally = build up to a 200 square foot building without any expensive building permi= ts -- which suddenly makes it not only a rather feasable but even an afford= able idea -- no permits, fees, licenses and I can more-or-less build it mys= elf (with a little help for parts where I either don't own the tools or hav= e adequate knowledge). Since, as the discussion last mentioned that "SIZE MATTERS" (as well as sha= pe and sound baffling/controlling surfaces), what sort of layout might anyo= ne here recommend for a room of that size. I was a thinking of a just a 16' x 12.5'= rectangle. But, I sort of surmised that perhaps those dimensions might not= be ideal. I was thinking of modifying a regular garage/shed kit of some so= rt -- so trying to build the perfect seven-sided saucer-shaped audio igloo = thingy won't work either. I gotta think WITHIN THE BOX as it were. Do any of you have any expert thoughts about shapes and sizes for MUSICALLY= pleasing recording rooms at or under 200 square feet and are still fairly = rectangular? This is not the sort of thing one can log on ans ASK THIS OLD = HOUSE is it. So . . . I am asking you all. Cheers, tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- "L.A. Angulo" wrote:=20 > Thanx Per! > Now i am caught in a dream just look at this gorgeous > magical place: > http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images/view?back=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fima= ges.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dreal%2Bworld%2Bstudios%26ei%3D= UTF-8%26fr%3Dyfp-t-500%26x%3Dwrt&w=3D540&h=3D271&imgurl=3Dwww.recordproduct= ion.com%2Freal-world-studios1.jpg&rurl=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.recordproduction.= com%2Frealworld.htm&size=3D113.1kB&name=3Dreal-world-studios1.jpg&p=3Dreal+= world+studios&type=3Djpeg&no=3D2&tt=3D495&oid=3D96eb9b3ae21088f2&ei=3DUTF-8 >=20 > Luis >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Per Boysen wrote: >=20 > > On 6 okt 2006, at 10.23, L.A. Angulo wrote: > >=20 > > > By the way,if anybody has experience about setting > > up > > > studio walls floors proper acoustics(which is > > better > > > carpet,wood? etc.) but cost effectively(no egg > > boxes > > > please)let me know. > >=20 > >=20 > > I've been to many studios and what usually matters > > most, when the =20 > > facility is not designed and built according to > > studio acoustics, is =20 > > that the room should be big enough (to minimize > > reflection =20 > > interference - may be worked around a bit by using > > small monitors, =20 > > though). It's also good to keep big objects in the > > room. Tony's =20 > > Spaghetti Sofa is a good bass trap for example, but > > even hard =20 > > surfaced big objects are good for splitting up > > reflections to prevent =20 > > standing frequency peaks in the rooms resonance > > character. The rooms =20 > > listening environment is really the most important > > factor because =20 > > even top speakers can't deliver what you need them > > for if placed in a =20 > > bad room. > >=20 > > Greetings from Sweden > >=20 > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 7 07:21:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8E653BED0; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 07:21:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 09:20:55 +0200 From: "Torstein H. Rem" Subject: Re: IDEAL SMALL STUDIO SPECIFICATIONS FOR LOOPERS -- Was: Re: OT: Studio pics. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000a01c6e9e1$21a1e7d0$0200000a@remwavesnet> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <1631149985.1160172521802.JavaMail.root@fepweb09> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 07:21:15 +0000 (UTC) I`m just an apartment dweller contemplating moving and finding more space. I used to have lots of links to good studio building sites but they`re all lost. Lately I`ve found some stuff Besides the Design forum posted by Tony; "Sound on Sound have a forum specifically for discussing studio design and building - it's at http://www.soundonsound.com/forum/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=DESIGN - the Studio SOS features each month usually have handy bits and pieces of information about room layouts, acoustic treatment and so on." here are some more; http://www.ethanwiner.com/acoustics.html http://www.realtraps.com/articles.htm http://www.acousticalsolutions.com/education/index.asp http://arts.ucsc.edu/EMS/Music/tech_background/TE-14/teces_14.html http://www.tweakheadz.com/home_studio_construction.htm http://emusician.com/mag/emusic_new_approach_personal/ http://recordinginstitute.com/R2KREQ/cottage.htm http://www.acousticalsolutions.com/education/studio_acoustics.asp http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/acoustic/studio.html http://www.johnlsayers.com/Studio/index.htm Acoustic/Design Forums http://www.musicplayer.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=26;hardset=0;start_point=0;DaysPrune=0 http://homerecording.com/bbs/forumdisplay.php?f=20 http://messageboard.tapeop.com/viewforum.php?f=19&sid=fa3062132c7a6de03ed399f6eadf3b3e http://www.johnlsayers.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=2 http://www.recordingproject.com/bbs/viewforum.php?f=29&sid=841c6cfd83514ddf4799dcbf7c5561c8 http://forum.studiotips.com/ Books http://www.amazon.co.uk/Recording-Studio-Design-Philip-Newell/dp/0240519175/ref=pd_sbs_b_3/026-5311152-3482866?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Studio-Construction-Budget-F-Alton-Everest/dp/0070213828/ref=pd_sbs_b_4/026-5311152-3482866?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Acoustics-Project-Studio-Mitch-Gallagher/dp/159863285X/ref=pd_sim_b_3/026-5311152-3482866?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Home-Recording-Studio-Construction-Build/dp/1598630342 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Recording-Spaces-Philip-Richard-Newell/dp/0240516273/ref=pd_sim_b_4/026-5311152-3482866?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Basic-Home-Studio-Design-S/dp/1860742726/ref=pd_sbs_b_1/026-5311152-3482866?ie=UTF8 http://www.recording.org/books/ Good luck! ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "tEd ® kiLLiAn" To: Cc: "L.A. Angulo" Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 12:08 AM Subject: OT: IDEAL SMALL STUDIO SPECIFICATIONS FOR LOOPERS -- Was: Re: OT: Studio pics. Greetings earthlings and other pilgrims, While the previous OT discussion was being kicked about, it suddenly dawned on me that this question is perhaps NOT so off-topic for loopers per se. As often as not, perhaps even more often, looping is a solitary occupation not needing a large room for a whole band to fit in -- even though some of us do have a lot of gear to consider. And, sometimes being the painfully weird, experimental noise-makers that we often are, practicing in the family living room (or even out in the garage) does not make much of a recipe for domestic bliss. A safe and sane sonic sanctuary situated somewhere in the sideyard (or the south 40) sounds like a simply splendiferous idea. I am contemplating building a small, detatched studio room/structure beside my home here in Oregon. The funny thing is, in this area you can legally build up to a 200 square foot building without any expensive building permits -- which suddenly makes it not only a rather feasable but even an affordable idea -- no permits, fees, licenses and I can more-or-less build it myself (with a little help for parts where I either don't own the tools or have adequate knowledge). Since, as the discussion last mentioned that "SIZE MATTERS" (as well as shape and sound baffling/controlling surfaces), what sort of layout might anyone here recommend for a room of that size. I was a thinking of a just a 16' x 12.5' rectangle. But, I sort of surmised that perhaps those dimensions might not be ideal. I was thinking of modifying a regular garage/shed kit of some sort -- so trying to build the perfect seven-sided saucer-shaped audio igloo thingy won't work either. I gotta think WITHIN THE BOX as it were. Do any of you have any expert thoughts about shapes and sizes for MUSICALLY pleasing recording rooms at or under 200 square feet and are still fairly rectangular? This is not the sort of thing one can log on ans ASK THIS OLD HOUSE is it. So . . . I am asking you all. Cheers, tEd ® kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id=121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- "L.A. Angulo" wrote: > Thanx Per! > Now i am caught in a dream just look at this gorgeous > magical place: > http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dreal%2Bworld%2Bstudios%26ei%3DUTF-8%26fr%3Dyfp-t-500%26x%3Dwrt&w=540&h=271&imgurl=www.recordproduction.com%2Freal-world-studios1.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.recordproduction.com%2Frealworld.htm&size=113.1kB&name=real-world-studios1.jpg&p=real+world+studios&type=jpeg&no=2&tt=495&oid=96eb9b3ae21088f2&ei=UTF-8 > > Luis > > > > > > > > --- Per Boysen wrote: > > > On 6 okt 2006, at 10.23, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > > > > By the way,if anybody has experience about setting > > up > > > studio walls floors proper acoustics(which is > > better > > > carpet,wood? etc.) but cost effectively(no egg > > boxes > > > please)let me know. > > > > > > I've been to many studios and what usually matters > > most, when the > > facility is not designed and built according to > > studio acoustics, is > > that the room should be big enough (to minimize > > reflection > > interference - may be worked around a bit by using > > small monitors, > > though). It's also good to keep big objects in the > > room. Tony's > > Spaghetti Sofa is a good bass trap for example, but > > even hard > > surfaced big objects are good for splitting up > > reflections to prevent > > standing frequency peaks in the rooms resonance > > character. The rooms > > listening environment is really the most important > > factor because > > even top speakers can't deliver what you need them > > for if placed in a > > bad room. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 7 10:49:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7AD43BECF; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:49:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=u+dOMRoUSG3MIrNqxZ60beeTepgmcLGXtxPEBwd/t7hcRMWrDHTKLVlm28YbA9jCJH2vWHeX3x/4FKT6QpwmUCFPYAwGhHTuvPlZ5NaGYVSQZIYZBQstKzT2jUqWPW5Ym4UHXzGyk3cOF8PQtGF3pHRCs0dnKaZYukkQGNgiUxU= ; Message-ID: <20061007104925.14315.qmail@web27713.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 11:49:24 +0100 (BST) From: Tony Douglas Subject: Re: OT: IDEAL SMALL STUDIO SPECIFICATIONS FOR LOOPERS? (WAS OT: STUDIO PICS) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9e93ea80adf75952d678868bd42d2a62@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:49:26 +0000 (UTC) Hi Ted, Again, I'd refer to the Sound on Sound forum (http://www.soundonsound.com/forum/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=DESIGN) - usually, this is people adapting existing rooms (or even building rooms within rooms), but the general ideas and advice on proportions and layout will be the same. The thread on Studio Design & Acoustics might be helpful (for materials as well as design). - Tony ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 7 15:14:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDEE13BED2; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 15:14:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4527C46A.2080807@mhorse.com> Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:14:50 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: IDEAL SMALL STUDIO SPECIFICATIONS FOR LOOPERS -- Was: Re: OT: Studio pics. References: <1631149985.1160172521802.JavaMail.root@fepweb09> <000a01c6e9e1$21a1e7d0$0200000a@remwavesnet> In-Reply-To: <000a01c6e9e1$21a1e7d0$0200000a@remwavesnet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 15:14:58 +0000 (UTC) Whoa...thanks for all this info! I'm soon moving into a house which has a little 8 x 10 space for a studio so this stuff is quite On Topic, for me. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > I`m just an apartment dweller contemplating moving and finding more > space. > I used to have lots of links to good studio building sites but they`re > all lost. > Lately I`ve found some stuff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 7 17:58:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 109323BECA; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 17:58:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,276,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="289541800:sNHT24604920" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 13:49:14 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance -- Immersions -- Lowell MA 10.13.06 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090201.4527EA65.0021,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=207.172.4.11, so=2006-05-09 23:27:51, dmn=5.2.113/2006-07-26 Resent-Message-ID: <2ZuvgC.A.QqG.6q-JFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 17:58:18 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, The next Immersions event will occur on Friday, October 13 at 119 Gallery, 119 Chelmsford St, Lowell 978 452 8138 http://www.119gallery.org/ The ensemble for this performance is Doctor T -- Video Mixing Dean Stiglitz -- Electro Flute Michael Bloom -- Electric Bass Bob McCloskey -- Reeds and percussion Also performing will be J'ambiance: Rob Carbone, guitar Joe Moreau, keyboard loops J'ambiance uses sonic manipulation to alter the fluid dynamics of venue & audience by shifting and swirling the tidal patterns of sound to engulf the listener in shimmering aqueous warmth. As you float upon the waves of sound, images are projected that are sure to engage your visual cortex. The combination of sight & sound create a setting conducive to an inward meditation. The only things missing are you & your desire to surrender yourself to such mental fluidity in a vast sonic ocean. Suggested donation is $5. -- "Once the search is in progress, something will be found" -- Brian Eno and Peter Schmidt Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 01:24:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3904E3BEC2; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 01:24:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 21:34:32 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: updating my myspace tunes... To: Message-id: <000301c6ea79$e82c5640$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20061001070523.15588.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <383C8382-D6AC-477E-BD35-7CD0ED971DBA@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061001093409.01bdf440@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: <3o8GtB.A.17.xMFKFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 01:24:02 +0000 (UTC) Hi - I'm planning to replace the current four tracks on my MySpace page (Ataraxia II, How Could I Know?, Expoze and Phoenix). So I invite you to download these tracks now so they can be forever yours. :-) If you have a particular favorite, let me know and I can try to replace it with something similar or from the same sessions. Many happy returns! David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 01:26:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8726D3BED0; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 01:26:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 21:37:09 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: updating my myspace tunes... To: Message-id: <000701c6ea7a$45c536a0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20061001070523.15588.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <383C8382-D6AC-477E-BD35-7CD0ED971DBA@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061001093409.01bdf440@tiscali.co.uk> <000301c6ea79$e82c5640$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 01:26:41 +0000 (UTC) It would help if I include the URL, huh...? :-) UNDO: http://www.myspace.com/undomusic David From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 9:34 PM Subject: updating my myspace tunes... > Hi - > > I'm planning to replace the current four tracks on my MySpace page (Ataraxia > II, How Could I Know?, Expoze and Phoenix). So I invite you to download > these tracks now so they can be forever yours. :-) > > If you have a particular favorite, let me know and I can try to replace it > with something similar or from the same sessions. > > Many happy returns! > > David > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 02:38:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C37983BECD; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 02:38:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20061007193358.036d56a0@annihilist.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 19:40:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Phil Keaggy article and looping album Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 02:38:29 +0000 (UTC) A visitor to the Looper's Delight web site pointed out a new article on Phil Keaggy in Guitar Player: http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?storycode=15473 He talks about his looping, as well as his new album "Roundabout" which is all looping. Has anybody heard that one? What do you think? There are some clips on his web site: http://philkeaggy.com/music/roundabout.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 12:34:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F78B3BEC7; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 12:34:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reveived: from web.de by fmmailgate05.web.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 6BBE323E762 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 14:34:10 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 14:34:09 +0200 Message-Id: <343116398@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: apaulo@web.de To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: question: midi-switches to switch audio ? Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 12:34:12 +0000 (UTC) hi all! in my live looping setup i have 3 string instruments and 4 mics connected to a mixer. i would like to mute/ unmute them with something like a midi switch. is it possible to switch audio channels with a midi switch like nobels ms 4 connected to the inserts=3F=20 andi paulo =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F Viren-Scan f=FCr Ihren PC! Jetzt f=FCr jeden. 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Gleich testen! http://www.pc-sicherheit.web.de/freescan/=3Fmc=3D022222 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 15:10:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C666A3BECF; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 15:10:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=GDRHbxkOWoNkydn/AhSxEFVHqkvjVjP4Wx9d01/EdwUXooyHW5ALz/Noa/SNiN6uJpdiuvfU76ROK1mRQv4DtqdeZmpVm7eLVQCGi9uuD9qZ37NjFmQ7xNowbrborEZd9zhK94JFvhZ4MmOkSmwRusKOGJMxTPGSzd0uA3Jd/so= In-Reply-To: <000701c6ea7a$45c536a0$0affff0a@hppav> References: <20061001070523.15588.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <383C8382-D6AC-477E-BD35-7CD0ED971DBA@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061001093409.01bdf440@tiscali.co.uk> <000301c6ea79$e82c5640$0affff0a@hppav> <000701c6ea7a$45c536a0$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: US standard power plug? (Y2K6) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 17:10:43 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 15:10:47 +0000 (UTC) Hi List, What's the most usual power plug - the grounded or the not grounded model? I'm going over from Europe and need to know what power plug adapter I should bring to be able to snag 110 v for my rig (yes all devices are "self adapting" to 220 or 110 v, no trafo needed). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 17:29:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 128E53BECD; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 17:29:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gRZue5y6+y8jsZmFQZ+c7x8YlxlpCoNP4nOI9hotaESj7Ag2nxRNOkLSaiqpSOPWVe5pRdFmFwxXgrpEzgz29Jwr45z2iVvUTiNcuEPGCxyfbWB03tfrXajt6uDgLcZ/mA3907npH0X2zYibbCvbi3N+scHA+L0v5HFu3+FcUhI= ; Message-ID: <20061008172901.65302.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 19:29:01 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: what small looper to buy To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 17:29:04 +0000 (UTC) Hi ! If I were to buy a "small and not too expencive" looper. I saw Boysens list. Are there any favorites amoung the cheapest ? best regards Rune F www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 17:34:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BDC23BED2; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 17:34:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YEgDaxJjMOAtzje9ipZkFUIql3xYZ7K1bM8nFVMTQw437Sd7dTZUREdHQi47dvBQy0Te9VegVe/rt7lUGQ9DXU4qFcPZ8T1+lrRFOCLihMIN13zLXo6UyXG6SafP3Dd0XAkEXkmibZS6DUXYHGAQCqMTebeFswzNl3dm2qZI4Ac= Message-ID: <588ce11d0610081034x6eaaf060hb7b313c85a143f82@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 10:34:00 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: US standard power plug? (Y2K6) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20061001070523.15588.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <383C8382-D6AC-477E-BD35-7CD0ED971DBA@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061001093409.01bdf440@tiscali.co.uk> <000301c6ea79$e82c5640$0affff0a@hppav> <000701c6ea7a$45c536a0$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 17:34:03 +0000 (UTC) Since nobody else has responded, I'll take a shot: I'd say grounded--while some older homes have ungrounded plugs, I'd be surprised if a public venue didn't offer a grounded outlet. Seems like that would be a code violation. Of course, it would still be prudent to bring a 3 prong to 2 prong adaptor (I've heard them called "cheaters") just in case. While it's not likely, there is a serious risk injury if you use a 2 prong adaptor if there are other electrical wiring issues. There was a news story here a while back of a minister who was electrocuted while using a wireless mic at a baptism. My recollection is that while the baptismal font played a role, the real problem was that the whole church had been grounded to an electric water tank heater, and it created a closed loop. On 10/8/06, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi List, > > What's the most usual power plug - the grounded or the not grounded > model? I'm going over from Europe and need to know what power plug > adapter I should bring to be able to snag 110 v for my rig (yes all > devices are "self adapting" to 220 or 110 v, no trafo needed). > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 17:37:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79AEA3BEDB; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 17:37:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=c7VEDxkN9MMzjD7w2mGHB2+NBNMUb20sdX74dPO7Y6cBJO6Wu+EVBrL7Z988Gno5hJNGvsI/ImFUWdQoba1BjutdSl00VwVAs/Ja60P0rPMLIsRm3oSfpSAcKqnpRdxamyoHjCyPS78TvRsrChf/kqOXpSVLnFpPtUn4RLU6OlU= ; Message-ID: <20061008173709.12213.qmail@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 10:37:09 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: OT: Ideal small studio specs for Loopers? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20061007025817.E53083BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-FRJwB.A.9wH.GdTKFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 17:37:11 +0000 (UTC) Ted writes: I am contemplating building a small, detatched studio room/structure beside my home here in Oregon. ... Ted, funny you should mention that... I'm building a studio right now in my backyard, though Seattle only allows 120 square feet, not 200. My 18 year old daughter arrives from South Africa in December, she'll be here for a year, after which the room becomes my music studio. I am getting around the boxiness of the room by cutting off the front corners, making it more hexagonal in shape (kinda). Another non-boxy treatment I'm doing is leaving the ceiling cathedral-shaped as opposed to flat. I put some photos up on a Flickr site to keep my daughter posted on the progression. If you're at all inclined to view them, the site is located at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/vsyevolod/ The photos show the first 2 1/2 weeks of work, though I've got another week or two in since that time and have just finished the roof, sheathing, and window installation. If all goes well, I'll have it done in another month or so. Let me know if you have any questions, probably best to do this offlist. The best part is that all this has been quite doable as a one-man project. I was considering doing an electrical heating element under the floor, as I've done for clients in the past. One of my worries was of creating a massive electrical noise field for my audio cables to pick up. Another was the distrust of having so much electrical current running underfoot all the time, the same distrust that keeps me from using things like an electric blanket. So it will be an oil-filled radiator for this room. Bamboo floors, drywall for the walls, and cedar T&G for the sloped ceiling. Should be sweet... Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 19:07:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 298F93BED0; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 19:07:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45294C32.5060704@minds-eye.org> Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 12:06:26 -0700 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Ideal small studio specs for Loopers? References: <20061008173709.12213.qmail@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20061008173709.12213.qmail@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0Qqt0C.A.l1C.ZxUKFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 19:07:06 +0000 (UTC) Ever considered a circular dwelling, like a Yurt or a Dome? There are several places in Oregon that manufacture Yurts that are not too expensive and can be easily customized I believe. I've been led to believe that the acoustics in a dome are quite nice as well (though maybe not for recording, I don't know). Kevin > > Ted writes: > >I am contemplating building a small, detatched studio room/structure beside >my home here in Oregon. ... > > -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 19:28:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E46A3BED9; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 19:28:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <45294C32.5060704@minds-eye.org> References: <20061008173709.12213.qmail@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <45294C32.5060704@minds-eye.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <4cbff3f8dcc1ed3566b03f99060df4b0@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: OT: Ideal small studio specs for Loopers? Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 12:28:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 19:28:56 +0000 (UTC) > --Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to=20 > have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of=20= > all trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sweet. I love ramana maharshi....I've got a photo of him on my wall. Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 20:28:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D8743BED3; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 20:28:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=tu2jtnCWWofi90qb7P3eC4bi5No0zpPOwSSozep+zmvqg7NSgHtaDwUS7DSQK67gzTzO/MHqr+3LEyORbZzVD+lh5jy+bXJ5UMz/gsxMZLj3z3iP3WAX0/JZoL582hA4QCddksuFVZ3nZPrn0O9ekcR786p/FpHJ2CBohWRdMms= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0610081034x6eaaf060hb7b313c85a143f82@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061001070523.15588.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <383C8382-D6AC-477E-BD35-7CD0ED971DBA@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061001093409.01bdf440@tiscali.co.uk> <000301c6ea79$e82c5640$0affff0a@hppav> <000701c6ea7a$45c536a0$0affff0a@hppav> <588ce11d0610081034x6eaaf060hb7b313c85a143f82@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2BDECB24-5DCD-4F74-BBBF-F41A699DCA4D@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: US standard power plug? (Y2K6) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 22:28:47 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 20:28:53 +0000 (UTC) On 8 okt 2006, at 19.34, Art Simon wrote: > Since nobody else has responded, I'll take a shot: I'd say > grounded--while some older homes have ungrounded plugs, I'd be > surprised if a public venue didn't offer a grounded outlet. Seems > like that would be a code violation. Thank you, Art. I'll get a grounded universal travel multi plug tomorrow. As well as a stronger fuse for running my FCB1010 on 110 v instead 220 v and a 110 v / 50 Hz (we use 60 Hz here) power supply for my Really Nice Compressor. Everything else should be set already. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 20:39:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A22633BED5; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 20:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=zAFcNnwfyeDBp7DLvZC77DPz3blLnpjDdXsHro+pXYbXx+mTqmADwU0SfyAXeDyMM2s55T/UxF8y2MoKiAiXcaxuvPg/GSLjGdv9e7shnA/QcrS17NER4XBS9uG1k0Quhh7/zzCTMfeN3frw1E2J4rCyUFAo7JHTjUQt2kHgqcM= ; Message-ID: <20061008203920.1235.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 13:39:20 -0700 (PDT) From: margaret noble Reply-To: margaret noble Subject: MIDI SYNCHING DEVICE RECS. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-493505570-1160339960=:614" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 20:39:22 +0000 (UTC) --0-493505570-1160339960=:614 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello tech/looping list! i would love a rec. i have an echoplex, a machine drum, and a nord modular. i would like to synch these all up to one midi clock. ex: i would like to make an echoplex loop and then drop in a beat from my drum machine that kicks in in perfect time with the echoplex. and then i would like to send a synth sequence from my nord that drops in time with echoplex and machine drum. i would love your tech input on how to do this. THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP!!! --0-493505570-1160339960=:614 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hello tech/looping list!
 
i would love a rec.
 
i have an echoplex, a machine drum, and a nord modular. i would like to synch these all up to one midi clock. ex: i would like to make an echoplex loop and then drop in a beat from my drum machine that kicks in in perfect time with the echoplex. and then i would like to send a synth sequence from my nord that drops in time with echoplex and machine drum.
 
i would love your tech input on how to do  this. THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP!!!
--0-493505570-1160339960=:614-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 22:07:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFCA83BECF; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 22:07:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,277,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="1011079272:sNHT29256368" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20061008173709.12213.qmail@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <20061008173709.12213.qmail@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--498089354 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: OT: Ideal small studio specs for Loopers? Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 15:07:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 22:07:07 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--498089354 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Stephen, Thanks for the input. I viewed the pics. Looks like a pretty sharp setup. Too bad it couldn't have been a little bigger than 120 square feet. Here, for my 200' I'm planning on using a standard garage/shed kit that I can buy (pre-cut and complete) for for less than a couple of grand -- and then modify it enough to make it work for me. That's all I can afford. I'm on the tightest of budgets to begin with. So, cutting off the outside corners of the structure probably wouldn't work -- I don't think. I could make triangular corner cabinets (or insulating panels or something, eventually) to cut off the corners on the inside though . . . possibly. Like you, I've also planned to leave the ceiling open-beam. I wish you luck on your project. Let me know how it goes when it's done. Bamboo floors? Sweet! Part of what I was looking for was also some advice of how to arrange out those 200 square feet. What sorts of "standing wave" or other problematical sonic tendencies would a 16'x12.5' room have? What if the room was 10'x20'? Or 8'x25"? Or r even 6'x33.3' What different sorts of frequencies would be emphasized in such spaces? How (by changing the dimensions) could I "tune the room" per se? Essentially these kits can be had in almost any RECTANGULAR configuration. Part of the problem is those doggone PARALLEL WALLS of a rectangle. Acoustically it would be best to avoid all symmetry and/or parallel surfaces to avoid any problem frequencies. Unfortunately I gotta use a rectangle of some sort. What's gonna work best and suit as a studio with that as a given? In answer to Kevin Cheli-Colando, Ahhh, then there are those yurts, (igloos, domes and teepees, whatever). Let's first get practical and then a little bit philosophical. Regarding those ALTERNATIVES, there are are a few other practical things to consider -- firstly I probably won't live here forever. Will it be a "normal" enough space that might add to my home's value (or at least not detract from it) in the eyes of some future potential buyer/user. A circular "Yurt" as was suggested (or a geodesic dome or other shape could substitute for that matter), is only gonna have a rather narrow market appeal when I'm gone. Plus, it'd probably drive my neighbors nuts -- and I'm a genuinely considerate and "nice" guy (or try to be). I've camped in places in and around Oregon where they have Yurts though. They really are quite nice spaces. I get one whenever I can at a campground. And, if I lived waaaay out in the woods -- or wished to be more extrovert and "in-your-face" in my inner, spiritual, intellectual, political non-conformity . . . sure, damn the neighbors and let the "freak flag" fly. But that's not me. Let them get to know me -- and then think I'm a total "kook" for my ideas, music and/or art. Let them hear me voice an opinion -- and then think I'm a "crank" for my values and beliefs. But, I am NOT my house. I don't want them to think I'm an idiot because I've created a notorious eyesore in the middle of the neighborhood. There's an old Middleastern proverb: "Eat whatever you want. But dress as others do." I believe there is a certain kind of genuine practical wisdom contained in that little epigram. Sometimes it's handy to simply have a safe place that mostly looks like all the other ones on the street -- no shiny 4-wheeled "bling" in the driveway, sattelite dish, or fancy landscaping outside (ostentatiously advertising of rampant materialist/consumerist tendencies within) -- nor flying Tibetian flags, rainbow "shroom" banners and peace sign stickers on an old Volvo or VW bus out front (readable as a pretty good indication of hippies, ex-hippies, pseudo-hippies or hippie wannabes within) -- no giant-wheeled truck/SUV, with confederate flag and fully-loaded gun-rack equipped window and stickers saying "Charlton Heston is MY President" parked in the front yard (as I saw locally just the other day) shouting to all the world that the true backbone of America (morons) lives here. Personaly, I'd rather be a little more anonymous. Everyone is someone else's "moron." I'd rather they get to know me before they "dis" me. I have a wife and kids to consider -- and I enjoy a quiet life at home (among mostly friendly neighbors) too. Life has enough stress as it is. Best regards, Ted Killian On Oct 8, 2006, at 10:37 AM, S V G wrote: > Ted writes: > > I am contemplating building a small, detatched studio room/structure > beside > my home here in Oregon. ... > > Ted, funny you should mention that... I'm building a studio > right now in my backyard, though > Seattle only allows 120 square feet, not 200. My 18 year old daughter > arrives from South Africa > in December, she'll be here for a year, after which the room becomes > my music studio. I am > getting around the boxiness of the room by cutting off the front > corners, making it more hexagonal > in shape (kinda). Another non-boxy treatment I'm doing is leaving the > ceiling cathedral-shaped as > opposed to flat. I put some photos up on a Flickr site to keep my > daughter posted on the > progression. If you're at all inclined to view them, the site is > located at: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/vsyevolod/ > > The photos show the first 2 1/2 weeks of work, though I've got > another week or two in since > that time and have just finished the roof, sheathing, and window > installation. If all goes well, > I'll have it done in another month or so. Let me know if you have any > questions, probably best to > do this offlist. The best part is that all this has been quite doable > as a one-man project. > > I was considering doing an electrical heating element under the > floor, as I've done for > clients in the past. One of my worries was of creating a massive > electrical noise field for my > audio cables to pick up. Another was the distrust of having so much > electrical current running > underfoot all the time, the same distrust that keeps me from using > things like an electric > blanket. So it will be an oil-filled radiator for this room. Bamboo > floors, drywall for the > walls, and cedar T&G for the sloped ceiling. Should be sweet... > > Stephen > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > --Apple-Mail-1--498089354 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Stephen, Thanks for the input. I viewed the pics. Looks like a pretty sharp setup. Too bad it couldn't have been a little bigger than 120 square feet. Here, for my 200' I'm planning on using a standard garage/shed kit that I can buy (pre-cut and complete) for for less than a couple of grand -- and then modify it enough to make it work for me. That's all I can afford. I'm on the tightest of budgets to begin with. So, cutting off the outside corners of the structure probably wouldn't work -- I don't think. I could make triangular corner cabinets (or insulating panels or something, eventually) to cut off the corners on the inside though . . . possibly. Like you, I've also planned to leave the ceiling open-beam. I wish you luck on your project. Let me know how it goes when it's done. Bamboo floors? Sweet! Part of what I was looking for was also some advice of how to arrange out those 200 square feet. What sorts of "standing wave" or other problematical sonic tendencies would a 16'x12.5' room have? What if the room was 10'x20'? Or 8'x25"? Or r even 6'x33.3' What different sorts of frequencies would be emphasized in such spaces? How (by changing the dimensions) could I "tune the room" per se? Essentially these kits can be had in almost any RECTANGULAR configuration. Part of the problem is those doggone PARALLEL WALLS of a rectangle. Acoustically it would be best to avoid all symmetry and/or parallel surfaces to avoid any problem frequencies. Unfortunately I gotta use a rectangle of some sort. What's gonna work best and suit as a studio with that as a given? In answer to Kevin Cheli-Colando, Ahhh, then there are those yurts, (igloos, domes and teepees, whatever). Let's first get practical and then a little bit philosophical. Regarding those ALTERNATIVES, there are are a few other practical things to consider -- firstly I probably won't live here forever. Will it be a "normal" enough space that might add to my home's value (or at least not detract from it) in the eyes of some future potential buyer/user. A circular "Yurt" as was suggested (or a geodesic dome or other shape could substitute for that matter), is only gonna have a rather narrow market appeal when I'm gone. Plus, it'd probably drive my neighbors nuts -- and I'm a genuinely considerate and "nice" guy (or try to be). I've camped in places in and around Oregon where they have Yurts though. They really are quite nice spaces. I get one whenever I can at a campground. And, if I lived waaaay out in the woods -- or wished to be more extrovert and "in-your-face" in my inner, spiritual, intellectual, political non-conformity . . . sure, damn the neighbors and let the "freak flag" fly. But that's not me. Let them get to know me -- and then think I'm a total "kook" for my ideas, music and/or art. Let them hear me voice an opinion -- and then think I'm a "crank" for my values and beliefs. But, I am NOT my house. I don't want them to think I'm an idiot because I've created a notorious eyesore in the middle of the neighborhood. There's an old Middleastern proverb: "Eat whatever you want. But dress as others do." I believe there is a certain kind of genuine practical wisdom contained in that little epigram. Sometimes it's handy to simply have a safe place that mostly looks like all the other ones on the street -- no shiny 4-wheeled "bling" in the driveway, sattelite dish, or fancy landscaping outside (ostentatiously advertising of rampant materialist/consumerist tendencies within) -- nor flying Tibetian flags, rainbow "shroom" banners and peace sign stickers on an old Volvo or VW bus out front (readable as a pretty good indication of hippies, ex-hippies, pseudo-hippies or hippie wannabes within) -- no giant-wheeled truck/SUV, with confederate flag and fully-loaded gun-rack equipped window and stickers saying "Charlton Heston is MY President" parked in the front yard (as I saw locally just the other day) shouting to all the world that the true backbone of America (morons) lives here. Personaly, I'd rather be a little more anonymous. Everyone is someone else's "moron." I'd rather they get to know me before they "dis" me. I have a wife and kids to consider -- and I enjoy a quiet life at home (among mostly friendly neighbors) too. Life has enough stress as it is. Best regards, Ted Killian On Oct 8, 2006, at 10:37 AM, S V G wrote: Ted writes: I am contemplating building a small, detatched studio room/structure beside my home here in Oregon. ... Ted, funny you should mention that... I'm building a studio right now in my backyard, though Seattle only allows 120 square feet, not 200. My 18 year old daughter arrives from South Africa in December, she'll be here for a year, after which the room becomes my music studio. I am getting around the boxiness of the room by cutting off the front corners, making it more hexagonal in shape (kinda). Another non-boxy treatment I'm doing is leaving the ceiling cathedral-shaped as opposed to flat. I put some photos up on a Flickr site to keep my daughter posted on the progression. If you're at all inclined to view them, the site is located at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/vsyevolod/ The photos show the first 2 1/2 weeks of work, though I've got another week or two in since that time and have just finished the roof, sheathing, and window installation. If all goes well, I'll have it done in another month or so. Let me know if you have any questions, probably best to do this offlist. The best part is that all this has been quite doable as a one-man project. I was considering doing an electrical heating element under the floor, as I've done for clients in the past. One of my worries was of creating a massive electrical noise field for my audio cables to pick up. Another was the distrust of having so much electrical current running underfoot all the time, the same distrust that keeps me from using things like an electric blanket. So it will be an oil-filled radiator for this room. Bamboo floors, drywall for the walls, and cedar T&G for the sloped ceiling. Should be sweet... Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --Apple-Mail-1--498089354-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 23:43:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91F463BED2; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 23:43:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <20061008173709.12213.qmail@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: OT: Ideal small studio specs for Loopers? Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 16:43:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 23:43:24 +0000 (UTC) I would build as big a room as possible within your dimension/costs=20 limitation...rectangle will be fine, if you can't afford otherwise.=20 Worry about tuning it afterwards, there are so many great resources for=20= tuning a room out there.....pre-made bass traps, diffusion panels http://tinyurl.com/rddzo http://tinyurl.com/r63rw With a limited budget, consider the least expensive biggest rectangle=20= you can afford, with space for a small control room, if possible, and=20 then drop some dough on acoustic treatment. My .02. best, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Oct 8, 2006, at 3:07 PM, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: > Essentially these kits can be had in almost any RECTANGULAR=20 > configuration. Part of the problem is those doggone PARALLEL WALLS of=20= > a rectangle. Acoustically it would be best to avoid all symmetry=20 > and/or parallel surfaces to avoid any problem frequencies.=20 > Unfortunately I gotta use a rectangle of some sort. What's gonna work=20= > best and suit as a studio with that as a given?= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 00:29:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D91663BED5; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 00:29:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2a8e01c6eb39$fd8c2040$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20061008172901.65302.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: what small looper to buy Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 18:29:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 00:29:36 +0000 (UTC) Small? Boss RC-2. They should be releasing them for sale any day now. I have one on order from Musician's Friend as a backup unit. It's basically like a RC-20, but the size of a guitar stomp box....I'd be curious if there were a smaller looper out there. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "rune fagereng" To: Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:29 AM Subject: what small looper to buy > Hi ! > > If I were to buy a "small and not too expencive" > looper. I saw Boysens list. Are there any favorites > amoung the cheapest ? > > best regards Rune F > > www.runefagereng.com > Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > Mob: 917 95 867 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 02:05:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD0C63BED3; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 02:05:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 22:04:56 -0400 From: rick To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Few items up for sale here first Message-ID: <20061009020456.GA3502@monkeyman.funkytown> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Tag at 15.00] X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 24.154.1.26 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 02:05:21 +0000 (UTC) I have 2 items that I thought may be of interest here before I go the ebay route. ROLAND M-BD1 BASS and DRUM MODULE: Single rack space with a good collecetion of bass and drum samples. I have 2 and don't need the one - $100 +shipping Small review: http://www.harmony-central.com/Synth/Data/Roland/M-BD1-rev.html YAMAHA MDF-2 MIDI DATA FILER Nice unit that you can put your midi files on a floppy and take with you and use it to then play through any sound modules. $125.00 +shipping Little bit of info: http://www.harmony-central.com/Synth/Data/Roland/M-BD1-rev.html Thanks, Rick bs@tanawana.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 02:16:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A2913BECA; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 02:16:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=ix.netcom.com; b=QL3KpS+6P94PS8UeZ9+5zGy1AKDomTNNnQbRQCDWyv9xN/kZxny/UXhpDgmULypZ; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <1829776.1160360190479.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 22:16:30 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: roguemus@ix.netcom.com Reply-To: roguemus@ix.netcom.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Few items up for sale here first Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-ELNK-Trace: 15d7f0cd6eb2d81b74cfc7ce3b1ad11381c87f5e51960688c1e638f4ab9ef3bf417f8e4a36f3043b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.37 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 02:16:31 +0000 (UTC) Don't have too much demand for these at the store, I think you'd do better on eBay Dick Michaels -----Original Message----- >From: rick >Sent: Oct 8, 2006 10:04 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Few items up for sale here first > > >I have 2 items that I thought may be of interest here before I go the >ebay route. > >ROLAND M-BD1 BASS and DRUM MODULE: >Single rack space with a good collecetion of bass and drum samples. >I have 2 and don't need the one - $100 +shipping >Small review: >http://www.harmony-central.com/Synth/Data/Roland/M-BD1-rev.html > >YAMAHA MDF-2 MIDI DATA FILER >Nice unit that you can put your midi files on a floppy and take with you >and use it to then play through any sound modules. $125.00 +shipping >Little bit of info: >http://www.harmony-central.com/Synth/Data/Roland/M-BD1-rev.html > >Thanks, >Rick >bs@tanawana.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 02:20:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E56FB3BECC; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 02:20:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wcbSoMbQVqR5XmUAITkpW72Mfu0pSwcwt2ExSnAvDz7/6tSbA7rwuRJXR7tTB68wqihZJf//VQqmFdvcjUG74FYQ8wJ1C0YEfF9rmdePJVgWnVvj6zoDhsN9K5cNcrJ3soD9aCuz2j6tBQl+aHSvwugfsooB6wlFNo7md8NY++Y= ; Message-ID: <20061009022020.30377.qmail@web51003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 19:20:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Murchison Subject: Re: what small looper to buy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2a8e01c6eb39$fd8c2040$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1319559088-1160360420=:26498" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 02:20:21 +0000 (UTC) --0-1319559088-1160360420=:26498 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The only thing smaller is going to be the Zvex Lo-Fi Loop Junky, but it's not nearly as powerful. Krispen Hartung wrote: Small? Boss RC-2. They should be releasing them for sale any day now. I have one on order from Musician's Friend as a backup unit. It's basically like a RC-20, but the size of a guitar stomp box....I'd be curious if there were a smaller looper out there. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "rune fagereng" To: Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:29 AM Subject: what small looper to buy > Hi ! > > If I were to buy a "small and not too expencive" > looper. I saw Boysens list. Are there any favorites > amoung the cheapest ? > > best regards Rune F > > www.runefagereng.com > Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > Mob: 917 95 867 > > --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. --0-1319559088-1160360420=:26498 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The only thing smaller is going to be the Zvex Lo-Fi Loop Junky, but it's not nearly as powerful.

Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
Small? Boss RC-2. They should be releasing them for sale any day now. I
have one on order from Musician's Friend as a backup unit. It's basically
like a RC-20, but the size of a guitar stomp box....I'd be curious if there
were a smaller looper out there.

Kris

----- Original Message -----
From: "rune fagereng"
To:
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:29 AM
Subject: what small looper to buy


> Hi !
>
> If I were to buy a "small and not too expencive"
> looper. I saw Boysens list. Are there any favorites
> amoung the cheapest ?
>
> best regards Rune F
>
> www.runefagereng.com
> Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no
> Mob: 917 95 867
>
>



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Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. --0-1319559088-1160360420=:26498-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 03:51:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68F423BECF; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 03:51:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20061008234300.01c4ff68@mail.wightman.ca> X-Sender: phaslem@mail.wightman.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 23:51:03 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: OT: Ideal small studio specs for Loopers? In-Reply-To: References: <20061008173709.12213.qmail@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-544E621 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 03:51:03 +0000 (UTC) >Hey Ted, A friend built a good sounding studio in his garage, one of the things he did was strap the walls about half way down (parallel to the floor) so the walls had a slight v. If I remember, it was only about 1/2 inch but no more than an inch. that way all the sound reflected to the floor or the ceiling. He also built sort of triangular wedges to fit into the top corners of the room. I did some recording in that space years ago and it was surprising to me what a difference that made to the echos usually found in a square room. Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 04:34:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8D0F3BEC7; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 04:34:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gjwADPrh9Bkg1Nd1EEB2cd+LAmAmRfxFmA/djTM4XqapF6clD2cNmGrdO2uoVZzMRow49BqMgOnUUkGRpWoJSvLrN12dsoaWEFBu+F9wxz9ws9hPsdW+VN/NokAzNeT5X/q3vjM+m1Nr/TaQJ6pc0StZWil75T14Ddgkho8fUSo= ; Message-ID: <20061009043440.70473.qmail@web81007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 21:34:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Ferrara Brain Pan Subject: Re: what small looper to buy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20061009022020.30377.qmail@web51003.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 04:34:42 +0000 (UTC) don't forget about 'el niño' of the loopers: Little Latin Loopy Lu... esta más pequeño que un chihuahua! aye ay-aye! --- Scott Murchison wrote: > The only thing smaller is going to be the Zvex Lo-Fi Loop Junky, but it's not nearly as > powerful. > > Krispen Hartung wrote: Small? Boss RC-2. They should be releasing them > for sale any day now. I > have one on order from Musician's Friend as a backup unit. It's basically > like a RC-20, but the size of a guitar stomp box....I'd be curious if there > were a smaller looper out there. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rune fagereng" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:29 AM > Subject: what small looper to buy > > > > Hi ! > > > > If I were to buy a "small and not too expencive" > > looper. I saw Boysens list. Are there any favorites > > amoung the cheapest ? > > > > best regards Rune F > > > > www.runefagereng.com > > Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > > Mob: 917 95 867 > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. Ferrara Brain Pan http://www.formsofthingsunknown.com "Let the great constellation of flickering ashes be heard..." Noel Scott Engel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 08:36:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71E4F3BEC7; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 08:36:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SeVVb1MIiy9bP7oCRpUWzCbd8QwPOyrmm+OY1OcK6hXwshgX7qxNNRw0hfeOYOIn3+w+MJstGNtucDkFBRvhpET0wx9HjDqKXwfU/XB4v0018xdDw6q36A+sDwEKqOngEwIEvXti3Cb7pyEkRy93HzxNN1I6qDr7phIBV1djHGM= ; Message-ID: <20061009083606.4055.qmail@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 01:36:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT: Ideal small studio specs for Loopers? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20061008234300.01c4ff68@mail.wightman.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 08:36:08 +0000 (UTC) I also found this: http://www.readyacoustics.com/index.php?go=home-theater.home --- paul wrote: > > >Hey Ted, > > A friend built a good sounding studio in his garage, > one of the things he > did was strap the walls about half way down > (parallel to the floor) so the > walls had a slight v. If I remember, it was only > about 1/2 inch but no more > than an inch. that way all the sound reflected to > the floor or the ceiling. > He also built sort of triangular wedges to fit into > the top corners of the > room. I did some recording in that space years ago > and it was surprising to > me what a difference that made to the echos usually > found in a square room. > > Paul > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 09:33:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FD523BECF; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 09:33:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAHi0KUWBTopDAgcECgcGHQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20061009102626.01c42688@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 10:32:16 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: OT: Ideal small studio specs for Loopers? In-Reply-To: References: <20061008173709.12213.qmail@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 09:33:50 +0000 (UTC) >Part of what I was looking for was also some advice of how to >arrange out those 200 square feet. What sorts of "standing wave" or >other problematical sonic tendencies would a 16'x12.5' room have? >What if the room was 10'x20'? Or 8'x25"? Or r even 6'x33.3' What >different sorts of frequencies would be emphasized in such spaces? >How (by changing the dimensions) could I "tune the room" per se? It depends on the ratio between the length and the width. Simple ratios will have stronger resonances. e.g. 10'x20' would be the worst, a simple 1:2 ratio. 11'x19' would be much better. ...and then of course the height is also significant, the same principle applies. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 10:38:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 419F93BECF; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 10:38:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAHHCKUWBTopDAgcCDAcGHQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20061009105730.01ad1288@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 11:32:21 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Phil Keaggy article and looping album In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20061007193358.036d56a0@annihilist.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20061007193358.036d56a0@annihilist.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 10:38:25 +0000 (UTC) >A visitor to the Looper's Delight web site pointed out a new article >on Phil Keaggy in Guitar Player: >http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?storycode=15473 > >He talks about his looping, as well as his new album "Roundabout" >which is all looping. Has anybody heard that one? What do you think? > >There are some clips on his web site: >http://philkeaggy.com/music/roundabout.html I've only heard the clips, but didn't think this made it as an essential looping album. Every track, and there are many, seems to be made in exactly the same way, layering up a backing and then soloing over it, and being made the same way they can hardly help but tend towards a similarity of musical impression. Not that the individual tracks aren't good in isolation, but to compile them all together like that just creates pleasant aural wallpaper. If Phil Keaggy is famous enough to bring looping more public recognition (I wouldn't know, I only heard of him here at LD) then this album might create a useful reference point for some of us to explain our music. andy butler (doesn't anyone else have an opinion?) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 11:13:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F03A33BED0; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 11:13:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20061009105730.01ad1288@tiscali.co.uk> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20061007193358.036d56a0@annihilist.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061009105730.01ad1288@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3A076319-687E-47F3-9BA7-9DE0BDEF7450@fuse.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: Re: Phil Keaggy article and looping album Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 07:13:08 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 11:13:18 +0000 (UTC) i haven't heard the record in question, but i have produced a record for phil ( and a few unreleased tracks..) i know him to be one of the really most amazing musicians around. i would tend to agree with you about him using a similar mode of looping. and again, i haven't heard these tracks in particular.. but i have heard him take a baroque ground bass melody and play it backward so that it can be played properly with all the attacks going the wrong way and them play stuff that bach might have been proud of over that, add ebow melodies and volume swell textures that were just achingly beautiful.. and then after the show i'd ask (assuming he'd worked it out in advance) "hey phil what was that?" and he'd basically have no recollection of it. it was just spontaneous. i have also heard him sit down with an acoustic guitar in a dressing room and play some counterpoint (sort of late baroque meets ralph vaughn williams) and watched him retune the strings several steps (without really missing a beat) and keep playing whatever tune it was in a radically new tuning. again, when i asked him about it later, he was just improvising. i doubt on a sonic innovation level he won't ever be able to hang with folks like torn (who has lots of respect for phil.. we've talked about a record that has both of them on it in the past...) but as a musician, he's almost in a league of his own. my two cents On Oct 9, 2006, at 6:32 AM, a k butler wrote: ric hordinski www.richordinski.com www.myspace.com/monasterystudio > I've only heard the clips, but didn't think this made it as an > essential looping album. > Every track, and there are many, seems to be made in exactly the > same way, layering up a backing and then soloing over it, and being > made the same way they can hardly help but tend towards a > similarity of musical impression. Not that the individual tracks > aren't good in isolation, but to compile them all together like > that just creates pleasant aural wallpaper. > > If Phil Keaggy is famous enough to bring looping more public > recognition (I wouldn't know, I only heard of him here at LD) then > this album might create a useful reference point for some of us to > explain our music. > > andy butler > (doesn't anyone else have an opinion?) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 13:48:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2843A3BED0; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 13:48:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ExtLoop1: 1 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,283,1157353200"; d="scan'208"; a="143653292:sNHT18945920" Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: OT: Ideal small studio specs for Loopers? X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 06:48:46 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OT: Ideal small studio specs for Loopers? Thread-Index: AcbrqaQJ54p8PMaxR/Oh/3E0FD19UA== From: "Veda, Qua" To: "a k butler" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2006 13:48:46.0943 (UTC) FILETIME=[A48E56F0:01C6EBA9] Resent-Message-ID: <7TBtND.A.xCC.CNlKFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 13:48:51 +0000 (UTC) Hi, A rectangular space, with non-multiple ratios of length/width/height, and good speaker placement, can be a very good space and one that it easy to treat with acoustical products. Non-rectangular shaped room can be good, but much less predictable and more difficult to figure out solutions for (at least mathematically). =20 A cube shaped room is the worst possible shape. 8 x 10 x 12 is are all divisible to 2, and partially by 4. Ideally, use ratios like Golden Section, or Pi, to help you find dimention Perhaps adding 'sound board' and extra sheet rock to one wall would be enough to provide better dimensions. >From the main listening position, you can have a friend hold up a mirror and move along the walls. Where ever you can see the speakers (either one) in the mirror from your listening position you'll want to put some acoustical treatment to avoid direct reflections. =20 Hope these simple tips are useful -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 14:42:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0AA43BED5; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 14:42:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: OT: Ideal small studio specs for Loopers? Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 07:42:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 14:42:20 +0000 (UTC) Thank you. This makes sense to me and is helpful. Best regards, Ted Killian On Oct 9, 2006, at 6:48 AM, Veda, Qua wrote: > A rectangular space, with non-multiple ratios of length/width/height, > and good speaker placement, can be a very good space and one that it > easy to treat with acoustical products. Non-rectangular shaped room > can be good, but much less predictable and more difficult to figure out > solutions for (at least mathematically). > > A cube shaped room is the worst possible shape. 8 x 10 x 12 is are > all divisible to 2, and partially by 4. > Ideally, use ratios like Golden Section, or Pi, to help you find > dimention > > Perhaps adding 'sound board' and extra sheet rock to one wall would be > enough to provide better dimensions. > > From the main listening position, you can have a friend hold up a > mirror > and move along the walls. Where ever you can see the speakers (either > one) in the mirror from your listening position you'll want to put some > acoustical treatment to avoid direct reflections. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 14:45:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 639053BEDB; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 14:45:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20061008234300.01c4ff68@mail.wightman.ca> References: <20061008173709.12213.qmail@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20061008234300.01c4ff68@mail.wightman.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: OT: Ideal small studio specs for Loopers? Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 07:45:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 14:45:09 +0000 (UTC) Thank you. This sounds easy to do and not terribly (additionally) expensive to building the room "normally". Best regards, Ted Killian On Oct 8, 2006, at 8:51 PM, paul wrote: > A friend built a good sounding studio in his garage, one of the things > he did was strap the walls about half way down (parallel to the floor) > so the walls had a slight v. If I remember, it was only about 1/2 inch > but no more than an inch. that way all the sound reflected to the > floor or the ceiling. He also built sort of triangular wedges to fit > into the top corners of the room. I did some recording in that space > years ago and it was surprising to me what a difference that made to > the echos usually found in a square room. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 14:53:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF2E13BEE1; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 14:53:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,284,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="834778086:sNHT2089603976" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20061009102626.01c42688@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20061008173709.12213.qmail@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061009102626.01c42688@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: OT: Ideal small studio specs for Loopers? Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 07:53:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 14:53:13 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Andy. That's the sort of advice I was looking for. Best regards, Ted Killian On Oct 9, 2006, at 2:32 AM, a k butler wrote: > It depends on the ratio between the length and the width. > Simple ratios will have stronger resonances. > e.g. 10'x20' would be the worst, a simple 1:2 ratio. > 11'x19' would be much better. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 16:28:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F77A3BEC2; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 16:28:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 487919131 Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0987A2FA@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: roguemus@ix.netcom.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Few items up for sale here first Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 17:28:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6EBBF.EA4882EF" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 16:28:17 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6EBBF.EA4882EF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >YAMAHA MDF-2 MIDI DATA FILER >Nice unit that you can put your midi files on a floppy and take with you >and use it to then play through any sound modules. $125.00<< rick, if I didn't already have one of these, I'd bite y'r hand off, especially at that price. more than once, the datafiler has got me out of a tricky situation. I use it to back up sequences (p3, alesis mmt8, octopus), patches (proteus modules/XL7, memorymoog) & perform software updates on kit that's too far from (or too big to get near) a computer (p3 at our rehearsal studio, octopus, novation supernova...) just think how many different FCB1010 setups you could get on one floppy! it also plays back sequences itself- as I recall, you can adjust the tempo- which is very useful if you're trying to minimise a rig for a travelling gig. 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>YAMAHA MDF-2 MIDI DATA FILER
>Nice unit that you can put your midi files on a flop= py and take with you
>and use it to then play through any sound modules. $= 125.00<<

rick, if I didn't already have one of these, I'd bite y'r= hand off, especially at that price. more than once, the datafiler has got = me out of a tricky situation. I use it to back up sequences (p3, alesis mmt= 8, octopus), patches (proteus modules/XL7, memorymoog) & perform softwa= re updates on kit that's too far from (or too big to get near) a computer (= p3 at our rehearsal studio, octopus, novation supernova...)

just think how many different FCB1010 setups you could ge= t on one floppy!

it also plays back sequences itself- as I recall, you can= adjust the tempo- which is very useful if you're trying to minimise a rig = for a travelling gig.

I bought one of the last new ones, years ago, & paid = probably four times that for it.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C6EBBF.EA4882EF-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 18:29:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E97823BEDA; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 18:29:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 14:17:47 -0400 From: rick To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Few items up for sale here first Message-ID: <20061009181747.GA912@tanawana.zoominternet.net> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0987A2FA@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0987A2FA@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Tag at 15.00] X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 24.154.1.26 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 18:29:17 +0000 (UTC) It actually does play the sequences back. Used to use it live like this for a while as a backup band feeding my sound modules. Surprised more units like this aren't made to just do that easily. On Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 05:28:12PM +0100, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >YAMAHA MDF-2 MIDI DATA FILER > >Nice unit that you can put your midi files on a floppy and take with you > >and use it to then play through any sound modules. $125.00<< > > rick, if I didn't already have one of these, I'd bite y'r hand off, > especially at that price. more than once, the datafiler has got me out of a > tricky situation. I use it to back up sequences (p3, alesis mmt8, octopus), > patches (proteus modules/XL7, memorymoog) & perform software updates on kit > that's too far from (or too big to get near) a computer (p3 at our rehearsal > studio, octopus, novation supernova...) > > just think how many different FCB1010 setups you could get on one floppy! > > it also plays back sequences itself- as I recall, you can adjust the tempo- > which is very useful if you're trying to minimise a rig for a travelling > gig. > I bought one of the last new ones, years ago, & paid probably four times > that for it. > > duncan. > > > *************************************************************************** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. 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Any views or opinions expressed in this > e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, > nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. > > MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from > external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct > and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. > > MTV Networks Europe > *************************************************************************** > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 18:55:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 923473BEDA; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 18:55:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 13:55:53 -0500 From: David Small Subject: Another MDF-2 Up for Sale In-reply-to: <20061009181747.GA912@tanawana.zoominternet.net> X-Sender: cpp6@mail.uh.edu To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <5.0.2.1.0.20061009134321.04747120@mail.uh.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <" <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0987A2FA"@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0987A2FA@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 18:55:57 +0000 (UTC) Group: I agree about the usefulness of the Yamaha MDF-2. I've had one for about four years and used it up until I switched from sequencing to an entirely live presentation. Hate to see it gather dust, so I am putting mine up for sale too, along with manual and power supply, for the ridiculously low price of $125 plus shipping. BTW, it does have tempo control. Questions welcome. Thank you. David Small Pearland, Texas At 02:17 PM 10/9/2006 -0400, you wrote: >It actually does play the sequences back. Used to use it live like this >for a while as a backup band feeding my sound modules. Surprised more >units like this aren't made to just do that easily. > > >On Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 05:28:12PM +0100, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > >YAMAHA MDF-2 MIDI DATA FILER > > >Nice unit that you can put your midi files on a floppy and take with you > > >and use it to then play through any sound modules. $125.00<< > > > > rick, if I didn't already have one of these, I'd bite y'r hand off, > > especially at that price. more than once, the datafiler has got me out of a > > tricky situation. I use it to back up sequences (p3, alesis mmt8, octopus), > > patches (proteus modules/XL7, memorymoog) & perform software updates on kit > > that's too far from (or too big to get near) a computer (p3 at our > rehearsal > > studio, octopus, novation supernova...) > > > > just think how many different FCB1010 setups you could get on one floppy! > > > > it also plays back sequences itself- as I recall, you can adjust the tempo- > > which is very useful if you're trying to minimise a rig for a travelling > > gig. > > I bought one of the last new ones, years ago, & paid probably four times > > that for it. > > > > duncan. > > > > > > *************************************************************************** > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > > be privileged. 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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 13:23:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 20:23:45 +0000 (UTC) I'll be in New York this week....lots of loopage (except Sunday night) ************************ Festival of New Trumpet http://fontmusic.org/ Thursday, October 12, 2006 Jeff Kaiser and Tom McNalley (quarter-tone trumpet/laptop and electric guitar) The Cornelia Street Caf=E9 29 Cornelia Street NYC 10014 (212)989-9319 *************************** Saturday, October 14, 2006 Goodbye Blue Monday 1087 BROADWAY - BUSHWICK, BROOKLYN NEW YORK 11221 718.453.6343 Jeff Kaiser and Tom McNalley (quarter-tone trumpet/laptop and electric guitar) with David Bartel drum set/ laptop http://www.goodbye-blue-monday.com/ This is going to be an exciting gig, first meeting (musically) with=20 David. He is an exciting player with a great take on technology. For More Info on David: http://www.deepsoundchannel.com/ ********************* Sunday, October 15, 2006, 6 pm, FREE Downtown Music Gallery Jeff Kaiser and Tom McNalley (quarter-tone trumpet and electric guitar) 342 Bowery [between E. 2nd & E. 3rd Streets], New York, NY 10012-2408 Phone: (212) 473-0043 ********************* Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 21:23:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 849EE3BEE2; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 21:23:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 17:13:20 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlists for the Past Four Weeks To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <452ABB70.2080409@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: <34BkJB.A.AiE.o3rKFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 21:23:52 +0000 (UTC) Greetings, I'm playing catch up on these four playlists: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/060914.html http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/060921.html http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/060928.html http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/061005.html === Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. Show #494 September 14, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on ARC. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Radio Sputnik" on DiN Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Crystal Machine" by Tim Blake on EGG Records and released in 1977. ARC - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#sep PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Tim Blake Midnight Crystal Machine (Egg) Sonic Solutions Inc. Pax Romana IV SSI (Azra/Chlorophyll) Sonic Solutions Inc. Pax Romana V SSI (Azra/Chlorophyll) Different Skies 2004 Snap To Focus Arcs & Angles (Atomic City) ARC Steam Radio Sputnik (DiN) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== ARC Transmit 1 Radio Sputnik (DiN) ARC Radio Sputnik Radio Sputnik (DiN) ARC Who Walks Behind You Radio Sputnik (DiN) ARC Octane Radio Sputnik (DiN) ARC Transmit 2 Radio Sputnik (DiN) ARC Arc-Angel Radio Sputnik (DiN) ARC Relay Radio Sputnik (DiN) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist === Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. Show #495 September 21, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on ARC. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Blaze" on DiN Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Autobahn" by Kraftwerk on Vertigo Records and released in 1974. ARC - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#sep PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kraftwerk Mitternacht Autobahn (Vertigo) Mind1Spiral Purple Fuzzy Monkeys The 1 is Silent (Atomic City) Taking Over the Moon Palancar May 6, 2006 Ambient Train Werk Series Volume One (Blue Water) Sensitive Chaos Bullet Train Leak (Subsequent) x1 Project Arpeggio Guitar The Asymmetrical Collection (none) Una Voce and Chandra Part 1 * Hearts of Darkness (none) Jade Shankar 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== ARC Blaze Blaze (DiN) ARC Corrosion Blaze (DiN) ARC Trial in Scarlet Blaze (DiN) ARC Klangwand Blaze (DiN) ARC Silent White Light Blaze (DiN) ARC Sparked Blaze (DiN) ARC Mother Blaze (DiN) ARC Pulse Train Blaze (DiN) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist === Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. Show #496 September 28, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on ARC. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Arcturus" on DiN Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Music for Amplified Keyboard Instruments" by David Borden on Red Records and released in 1981. ARC - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#sep PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== David Borden The Continuing Story Music for Amplified Keyboard of Counterpoint, Instruments (Red) Part Six Richard Pinhas Tikkun Part 1: The Metatron (Cuneiform) Unification of the Name Synthetic Block A Science To Forget The Opposite of Staring Into Space (Ironing Board) Scott Kungha Dengsen Unseen Children at Mourning Guests Who Never the Edge of Time Arrived (Secret Sky) Ian Boddy Nucleotide Chiasmata (DiN) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== ARC Arcturus - Part 1 Arcturus (DiN) ARC Arcturus - Part 2 Arcturus (DiN) ARC Helicon Arcturus (DiN) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist === Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. Show #497 October 5, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on Remy. The Featured CD at Midnight was "The Art of Imagination" on AKH Records and Groove Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Forever Blowing Bubbles" by Clearlight on Virgin Records and released in 1975. Remy - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#oct PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Clearlight Jungle Bubbles Forever Blowing Bubbles (Virgin) VA [Craig Padilla Shadowed Transition E-dition #14 (Groove) and Skip Murphy] Ian Boddy Elemental Elemental (DiN) Synthetic Block Shoal The Opposite of Staring Into Space (Ironing Board) Markus Reuter 3-4 Days Before the Trepanation (Lotuspike) Echo Rudy Afrian Midnight Fantasy Moonwater (Lotuspike) Angel, part 2 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Remy Image One The Art of Imagination (AKH and Groove) Remy Image Two TAOI (AKH and Groove) Remy Image Three TAOI (AKH and Groove) Remy Image Four TAOI (AKH and Groove) Remy Image Five * TAOI (AKH and Groove) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Remy. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Connected" on AKH Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Bhakti Point" by the recently departed Richard Burmer on Fortuna Records and released in 1987. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville, and on 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 21:39:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77A833BEF4; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 21:39:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loop List Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9--413332185 From: Steve Lawson Subject: Recycle Collective gig in London this thursday... Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 22:39:37 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 21:39:43 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9--413332185 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hello Loopists, muchos loopage at the Recycle Collective on Thursday - me, pedal =20 steel guitarist BJ Cole and sax/flautist Theo Travis, playing solo =20 duo trio loopalicious improv stuff. Gorgeous music guaranteed! :o) gig details - date - Thursday October 12th time - doors 7pm, music 8pm (restaurant upstairs open before that =20 though for lovely food) venue - Darbucka World Music Bar, 182 St John's Street, Clerkenwell, =20 London, EC1 4JZ tickets - =A37 / =A35 concessions (NUS/OAP/MU - please bring proof). nearest tube - Farringdon. hope to see you there! Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-9--413332185 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello Loopists,

muchos loopage at the = Recycle Collective on Thursday - me, pedal steel guitarist BJ Cole and = sax/flautist Theo Travis, playing solo duo trio loopalicious improv = stuff. Gorgeous music guaranteed! :o)=A0

gig details = -=A0
date - Thursday October 12th
time - doors 7pm, = music 8pm (restaurant upstairs open before that though for lovely = food)
venue - Darbucka World Music Bar, 182 St John's Street, = Clerkenwell, London, EC1 4JZ
tickets - =A37 / =A35 concessions = (NUS/OAP/MU - please bring proof).=A0
nearest tube - = Farringdon.=A0


hope to see you = there!=A0

= http://steve.anthropiccollec= tive.org - = blog
www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson



= --Apple-Mail-9--413332185-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 01:15:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 854543BEE6; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 01:15:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=TQylJdeMtbCFo6xcfmmOAiHhVekXop6RpSj8KHZw61mAvYXgLBR5wpZjL64hY9NB; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220061021012327620@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.15.0 (Windows) From: "mungenast@earthlink.net" To: "scott hansen" Cc: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: FX blowing upRE: ot: random effect (broken digitech) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 21:23:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9402cdc9821f5af9cda290d39c1d7a83f4a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.170 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 01:15:46 +0000 (UTC) That sounds more interesting than the sh*t that's going on with *my* gear -- these malfunctions are more inexplicable/intermittent than actually random: 1. a FazzFace that suddenly gets quieter and smaller-sounding in the middle of a gig, and with a fresh battery, too (My Rat did this once, and excercising the footswitch cured it totally, but that trick does not work on this Fuzz Face) 2. a Vortex whose 2 looping algorithms only loop when they feel like it, instead of the consistently entertaining performance they used to provide 3. a VF-1 whose best aand most useful (IMHO) amp preset suddenly has lost all of its spunk and "interestingness" AAAAARGH! There! I feel better already. Okay, no, I don't. (LOL) All 3 of these are happening at once. I am open to the metaphysical possibility that I am one of these unfortunate folks who transmit some sort of frequency that screws up anything more electronically complex than a wall clock > [Original Message] > From: scott hansen > To: > Date: 10/2/2006 12:37:05 PM > Subject: ot: random effect (broken digitech) > > my random effect is my digitech rp100 that i got in '01, sometimes it starts to > "freak out" and either the effects module will cycle through all the effects (the light flashes and the display switches real fast from one effect to next) or > the amp models will cycle through randomly. i've recorded it once, and it was > kind of interesting in its randomness. (has sort of an extreme tremolo effect in quick changing of effects/amp models) > unfortunately it happens when i'm trying to do something specific.... > i try to think of the old adrian belew comment of working w/ your gears quirks-i think > he was talking about one of his gtrs had a broken pu, so he kept using it , instead of replacing it (i think he talked about it being a real twangy sound-he used on one of his songs on one of his 1st solo albums back in 80's) > s--- > From root@mx1.kabelmat.biz Tue Oct 10 07:36:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3337 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 07:36:35 UTC Received: from mx1.kabelmat.biz (kabelmat.biz [217.160.202.187]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E87BA3BEDE for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 07:36:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mx1.kabelmat.biz (Postfix, from userid 0) id 10FC12F45A5; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 08:27:53 +0200 (CEST) To: looparc@loopers-delight.com From: ebay@eBay.com Subject: eBay sent this message from brooks laura (laurapurp3) Reply-To: ebay@eBay.com Content-type: text/html Message-Id: <20061010062753.10FC12F45A5@mx1.kabelmat.biz> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 08:27:53 +0200 (CEST) Question about Item -- Respond Now
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 12:47:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C102F3BED2; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:47:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:47:39 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <23002082.1160069475662.JavaMail.root@web20> Message-ID: <20061010124739.205460@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <23002082.1160069475662.JavaMail.root@web20> Subject: Re: RC50 End of Loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:47:43 +0000 (UTC) Hi guys > It's great to know that the hiccup can be avoided @Andy: Maybe my message was a bit misleading... I haven't found a way to avoid the "hiccup", except playing over it (which doesn't bother me at all). I just wanted to say that - besides this "hiccup" at the begining- I haven't experienced any latency issues (the hiccup is NOT a latency issue, it is just a "temporary mute"!), if you use the settings I have recommended. >I haven't seen any way to determine the end of a loop, i.e. visually on the RC-50. Am I correct in that understanding? @Paul: Yes, that can be an issue. I usually "whisper" an almost not hearable sound at the and of the loop to mark the end, esp. with ryhthm beats. I'm not saying that the RC-50 is perfect except the "hiccup" (let's say again: "temporary mute at the first repetition of a recorded loop"). I think I would look for something else if I needed tempo change/sync and midi slave sync as main feature, and also for feedback control something else might work easier for you (though I have great feedback control with my RC-50 for my purposes). I don't think of it as a hassle that certain things just need getting used to on the RC-50. Just with every piece of gear or instrument you have, it needs passion, curiosity and patience to dive into its full potential. In this context, I find reading Andre LaFosse (www.altruistmusic.com) working with the EDP very inspiring. So, I'm not saying that the RC-50 is the right tool for everyone. I'm just saying it is a well prized tool with a lot of depth & possibilities in a nice all-in-one pedal board. Best regards Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 12:50:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBBBC3BED8; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:50:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:50:10 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <2a8e01c6eb39$fd8c2040$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <20061010125010.205450@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20061008172901.65302.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2a8e01c6eb39$fd8c2040$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: what small looper to buy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:50:11 +0000 (UTC) Yes the RC-2... I just got myself a Roland MicroCube mini-amp. Together with the RC-2, this would make a fantastic ultra-mobile setup... :-))) Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 13:17:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69E323BECD; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:17:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007d01c6ec6e$67e35ff0$16b2a8c0@GROSSER> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <23002082.1160069475662.JavaMail.root@web20> <20061010124739.205460@gmx.net> Subject: Re: RC50 End of Loop Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:16:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:397775b7a70d9e9b11c0f2c5ded06394 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:17:44 +0000 (UTC) hi guys, has anybody tried the rc-2? how is the sound? anybody experienced the "hiccup" on the rc-2? all the best, tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buzap Buzap" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 2:47 PM Subject: Re: RC50 End of Loop > Hi guys > >> It's great to know that the hiccup can be avoided > @Andy: Maybe my message was a bit misleading... I haven't found a way to > avoid the "hiccup", except playing over it (which doesn't bother me at > all). I just wanted to say that - besides this "hiccup" at the begining- I > haven't experienced any latency issues (the hiccup is NOT a latency issue, > it is just a "temporary mute"!), if you use the settings I have > recommended. > >>I haven't seen any way to determine the end of a loop, i.e. visually on >>the RC-50. Am I correct in that understanding? > @Paul: Yes, that can be an issue. I usually "whisper" an almost not > hearable sound at the and of the loop to mark the end, esp. with ryhthm > beats. > > I'm not saying that the RC-50 is perfect except the "hiccup" (let's say > again: "temporary mute at the first repetition of a recorded loop"). I > think I would look for something else if I needed tempo change/sync and > midi slave sync as main feature, and also for feedback control something > else might work easier for you (though I have great feedback control with > my RC-50 for my purposes). > > I don't think of it as a hassle that certain things just need getting used > to on the RC-50. Just with every piece of gear or instrument you have, it > needs passion, curiosity and patience to dive into its full potential. > In this context, I find reading Andre LaFosse (www.altruistmusic.com) > working with the EDP very inspiring. > > So, I'm not saying that the RC-50 is the right tool for everyone. I'm just > saying it is a well prized tool with a lot of depth & possibilities in a > nice all-in-one pedal board. > > Best regards > Buzap > > > -- > Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! > Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 13:42:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D81C93BECA; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:42:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2e3e01c6ec71$fd938180$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20061008172901.65302.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2a8e01c6eb39$fd8c2040$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20061010125010.205450@gmx.net> Subject: Re: what small looper to buy Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 07:42:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:42:59 +0000 (UTC) Exactly!!! A cut little combo. Those two and my new 6-string mandoline, and I could play a gig in a phone booth. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buzap Buzap" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 6:50 AM Subject: Re: what small looper to buy > Yes the RC-2... > > I just got myself a Roland MicroCube mini-amp. > Together with the RC-2, this would make a fantastic ultra-mobile setup... > :-))) > > Buzap > > -- > Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! > Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 16:16:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D2733BECC; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:16:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3853b244bc1acf5223f32d488f09a896@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: mac performance software Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:16:47 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:16:57 +0000 (UTC) Not sure if this was mentioned before or even