From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 00:27:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93C393BED0; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 00:27:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1688020255.1172708848048.JavaMail.root@fepweb04> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:27:28 -0800 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new experimental music project Cc: Brian Good MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 66.169.252.252 by mail.charter.net; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:27:27 -0500 X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 00:27:29 +0000 (UTC) Well, there's nothing new under the sun . . . and I'm sure it didn't origin= ate with me either for that matter. But I did a performance in 1989 in Ventura CA, with lovely Bay Area vocalli= st Liz Stuart, called "Vox in Box" where she sang her own interpretation of= a non-standard graphic "score" I'd concocted for her while I looped her pe= rformance with a pair of Electro Harmonix 16-second delays, ring modulators= and envelope followers . . . along with a Roland pitch-to-MIDI converter a= nd an array of synths and samplers selectively shadowing her vocal gymnasti= cs.. I've wanted to do it again ever since but just haven't found the opportunit= y -- and I've sold off (or given away) most of that old gear in the meantim= e. -- tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?p= layListId=3D6378076=20 http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- Brian Good wrote:=20 > nico spahni wrote: > > I'm working on a new experimental music project by the name of CAM=20 > > (Coincidental Audio Manipulation). This is the concept in a nutshell: > >=20 > > An improvising musician and a sound manipulator interact musically with= =20 > > each other in real-time. > >=20 > > Here are some first attempts with two piano players: > >=20 > > http://www.recpro.ch/mp3/sylvie_leideritz_and_cam_1.mp3 > > http://www.recpro.ch/mp3/sylvie_leideritz_and_cam_2.mp3 > > http://www.recpro.ch/mp3/alain_bollag_and_cam.mp3 > >=20 > > I find the idea of looping someone else rather intriguing. Both=20 > > participants (the looper and the loopee :-) can explore new musical=20 > > territories that would have remained unapproachable by playing on their= =20 > > own. Also, I can fully concentrate on sound processing while a musician= =20 > > does the playing. > >=20 > > Do you think this project is worth persuing? Is there anyone who has=20 > > worked in a similar direction? I'd love to hear about your sonic ventur= es. >=20 > I did something similar two or three years ago. I fed my soprano sax=20 > into Tim Walters' laptop, and he did all kinds of real-time damage with= =20 > a bunch of Supercollider code he had written. Unlike your stuff, it was= =20 > monophonic, but Tim's processing was so creative that the results were=20 > still interesting, at least to my ears. >=20 >=20 > Brian >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 00:59:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7894E3BED5; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 00:59:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=JXfjcDywi43/NAEu+HOyrLQNS6KZ6KryXGzp0eVlW1hvW/nEaEXRYOxc0YFDIqFPgRoWy6cs3rDxRhngwahtz+74eJ/yxOEF05wFLnJeBVM/LvfRVZBBkXrq15cC/OxCGjlln0Ej1/ekGjPCycc6sU5rBJnCrGvLt+gUHCLyrcM=; X-YMail-OSG: ccXpzoQVM1kvOowT8FkjFML8waVpmNe5pXofLtVmKjCnBaMew8X.QROoOI0aUsN9EMoGqe4x.Rxu4C7QP2v1efULe6yr39kwJn9LkSfwmOf4R4axPI6xzbsuXgtE9qNM2bHgKbaaMX6DcM4- Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:59:51 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: cd covers... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <564026.78751.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 00:59:53 +0000 (UTC) wonderful art Joe! i might just need u for my next CD cover! bests, Luis --- Richard Sales wrote: > Very cool stuff, Joe! > > And... plug that RC50 in now! A whole world of > wonder awaits you. > Seriously. > > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 28-Feb-07, at 11:00 AM, Joseph Allen Popp wrote: > > > I know you're all creative and probably don't need > it, but I am a > > visual > > artist, as well as a Looper, and I would like to > let you all know that > > I am > > available to do CD cover art. Some of my images > may be viewed at: > > > > http://www.photomediacenter.org/popp/popphome.html > > > > I am new to Loopers Delight, but I'm 52 years old > and have been > > playing with > > layers of sound for many years. I just purchased > the RC-50, and have > > yet to > > plug it in! It just came in the mail TODAY! Yum! > You can hear a > > sample of > > my solo work at: > > > > http://playerie.com/artists/joe_popp/index.html > > > > You can hear my band: > > Joseph Allen Popp's WEIRDO THEATRE at: > > > > > http://playerie.com/artists/weirdo_theater/index.html > > > > Let me know what you think, sound-wise and or > visually... > > Nice to be here... > > Joe Popp > > -- > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 01:15:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D85A3BED5; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 01:15:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:16:03 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Monthly Top 20 Report for February, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <45E62953.8000000@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 01:15:47 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/top20feb.html WDIY 88.1 FM "Galactic Travels" Top 20 for February, 2007. Shows #514 to #517; 1-February-2007 to 22-February-2007 Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order. Compiled by Bill Fox website: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL =========================================================== Alpha Wave Movement - The Regions Between - Harmonic Resonance Copal River - Copal River - Blue Water Craig Padilla - The Light In The Shadow - Spotted Peccary Dwight Ashley - Ataxia - Nepenthe Fanger & Schonwalder - Analog Overdose: The Ricochet Dream Edition - Ricochet Dream Gert Emmens - The Tale if the Warlock - Groove Ian Boddy - Elemental - DiN John Duval - Hell's Canyon - Hypnos/Binary John Lakveet - Proportions - Groove Joint Intelligence Committee - Excession - Bogus Focus Klaus Schulze - Vanity of Sounds - Revisited Maneki Neko - Auracle - Stray Pointer Mark Jenkins - This Island Earth - Ricochet Dream/AMP Max Corbacho - Moontribe - ad21 Max Corbacho - Nocturnal Emanations - Space for Music Max Corbacho - The Resonant Memory of Earth - Space for Music Max Corbacho - The Talisman - ad21 O Yuki Conjugate - Peyote - Projekt Ololiuqui - Other Side of Odra - Ricochet Dream Various Artists - Analogy Volume 2 - Groove Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 01:52:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A6893BECC; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 01:52:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=CdioKx8XBSTzCQeNSjocv58ZFPFJqQ1aclZXL1rn0LP+zZgE3lRTtFzOgXvxnBVOZpMV1zyLLeEwvvhcJzv2pXvzYhNzPUoEfSF5xx8pZwMtPqhzG33OcxR/fPqgN3jseAkHXgo2wn3StyCYVZ1ipVb5alanmh/m4Py87MOolNk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=NS2NeaIyO8jm4+vUBCsz2FqNkGK7FSHwH1SLyLp80xphLrkRrXJaBsXxpsOB+tOaW6pZH8nDq5T9FIQZpm5j7wjvgTk70fifwJGYaiygHdhZduh1+SfTeEVuLorwhAEdYRSjtvLYBJsJmVV2R/9t8VTNptAuq7RuuP8RLAlYSBM= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:52:33 -0800 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new experimental music project MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <3RHE4C.A.v1H.lHj5FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 01:52:38 +0000 (UTC) Hi Nico, Love the samples! Here in the San Francisco Bay Area, we have a lot of that going on. I've been both the processor and the processee in these sorts of setups. The trick is to leave the other musician room to play in, but it sounds like you two already have that understanding. Matt >nico spahni was like: > > I'm working on a new experimental music project by the name of CAM > (Coincidental Audio Manipulation). This is the concept in a nutshell: > > An improvising musician and a sound manipulator interact musically with > each other in real-time. > > Here are some first attempts with two piano players: > > http://www.recpro.ch/mp3/sylvie_leideritz_and_cam_1.mp3 > http://www.recpro.ch/mp3/sylvie_leideritz_and_cam_2.mp3 > http://www.recpro.ch/mp3/alain_bollag_and_cam.mp3 > > I find the idea of looping someone else rather intriguing. Both > participants (the looper and the loopee :-) can explore new musical > territories that would have remained unapproachable by playing on their > own. Also, I can fully concentrate on sound processing while a musician > does the playing. > > Do you think this project is worth persuing? Is there anyone who has > worked in a similar direction? I'd love to hear about your sonic > ventures. > > Cheers > > Nico > www.recpro.ch > www.myspace.com/nicospahni From C06211101@spreadit.nl Thu Mar 1 02:11:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 808 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 01 Mar 2007 02:11:26 UTC Received: from mail.spreadit.nl (mail.spreadit.nl [87.119.194.248]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AA4B3BEAF for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 02:11:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.spreadit.nl (Postfix, from userid 1066) id 187FB36627; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 02:57:52 +0100 (CET) To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: You have received a postcard ! 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================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 02:18:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EC463BEAF; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 02:18:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:17:44 -0500 From: Dan Ash Subject: Re: Immersive sound To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <45E637C8.7020507@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 02:18:08 +0000 (UTC) Very late chiming in here, but I was reminded of the amazing performance by Andre LaFosse at The Monkey - Dominic Frasca's 5.1 surround performance space in NYC (www.themonkeynyc.com ). I was amazed by the sonic soup Andre created with 5 EDPs each directed to a different speaker. http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200503/msg00518.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200503/msg00589.html I'm happy to see that The Monkey again has an active music calendar, as it appeared that not much was happening there for a while. I suppose it's possible that Dominic was on the road himself - he's a very talented and unique player who I saw at the New York Guitar Festival Marathon at the 92nd Street 'Y'. Anyway, talk about immersive! Dan Ash White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 02:59:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 999713BEB8; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 02:59:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=XP8oe7XabIu/Ftsb7vtcM+IzoH6hFTx7uBCKjXEo8TDAXdGOVsE9qOGJbTgbvhEjlvrCw6GVGKpcxip9/e/QjjLci0X1KCyW2NyCDzb2dD4yFkbne1/j2OORZUHUe0SHNvceAvPNUYQCCZmqEu0koGbiwRm/cGzmGSpnOaNuR20= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=iMTblcR14wNKx1k/o/Ra1Tu/Z5fZIYC2IfMXSdlzro5GYlNsGLZhvCchf+Lqolyax5pPR17VZ5y7I7PE2QG9+XYX8ahz4JeJaTheHbkndR1qpsXRL9EAL0AmiMybPizuKg2/LqzWGu6T2ZpEf8XYJiNodz2n36jZTAxva5dfe5M= Message-ID: <46fea78d0702281859k4c4e0431w2e93394441250b9d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:59:48 -0800 From: "David H" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Playing at Home v. Playing Live MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_33849_24265569.1172717988601" Resent-Message-ID: <8wwNoD.A.1ZC.oGk5FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 02:59:52 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_33849_24265569.1172717988601 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline A member asked me what the difference is between my home playing and my live playing, and the answer warrants a new thread. Its been my impression that the majority of members on this list play "experimental" or "ambient" music. I really enjoy and appreciate it, too. Sometimes there is nothing better than flipping through the list listening to mp3s you guys have posted. Even so, my friends sometimes refer to these styles as artsy fartsy, over their head, weird and/or boring (no offense). I'm also a big fan of standard folk tunes. And admittedly, I can't seem to outgrow popular song structure. I write songs on my guitar in my rental house just like the dude next door, with verses, choruses, lyrics, and I use chords! ;) My loops are not very complex, I've got a beat, a rhythm guitar, some back up vocals, and a few layers here and there. I originally started looping because I got sick of trying to put a decent band together and decided to be the whole band. Now I play popular bars and clubs around town, and they like to hear "songs" that people can sing and dance to. Boy, that sentence sure made me seem like a sell out. But read on: Each song I've written has been composed in a very flexible way. I can pick up my acoustic and perform without ever plugging in, but I also leave a place in every song when I loop it to take it to places that are experimental or ambient. I have the dynamic of performing one song dry, and the next looped into outer space. Anyway, so I see the music I make as a transitional vehicle. From the popular mundane, to what I like to think of the fine wines of music, the experimental, and etc. You can take people who don't listen to ambient music to places they wouldn't normally go by tricking them into thinking they are listening to a popular song they could hear on the radio. I give Budweiser drinkers a sip of Merlot, (that's you guys). When I'm playing at home, its more entertaining to me, the loops are much longer and layers much deeper, effects much more dynamic. I'm experimenting. But during a performance I tone it down, I sing catchy tunes so that they like me, and throw in a few weird, noisy, ambient phrases to pique their interest, and so I have a good time too. David ------=_Part_33849_24265569.1172717988601 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
A member asked me what the difference is between my home playing and my live playing, and the answer warrants a new thread.
 
Its been my impression that the majority of members on this list play "experimental" or "ambient" music. I really enjoy and appreciate it, too. Sometimes there is nothing better than flipping through the list listening to mp3s you guys have posted. Even so, my friends sometimes refer to these styles as artsy fartsy, over their head, weird and/or boring (no offense).
 
I'm also a big fan of standard folk tunes. And admittedly, I can't seem to outgrow popular song structure. I write songs on my guitar in my rental house just like the dude next door, with verses, choruses, lyrics, and I use chords! ;) My loops are not very complex, I've got a beat, a rhythm guitar, some back up vocals, and a few layers here and there. I originally started looping because I got sick of trying to put a decent band together and decided to be the whole band. Now I play popular bars and clubs around town, and they like to hear "songs" that people can sing and dance to. Boy, that sentence sure made me seem like a sell out. But read on:
 
Each song I've written has been composed in a very flexible way. I can pick up my acoustic and perform without ever plugging in, but I also leave a place in every song when I loop it to take it to places that are experimental or ambient. I have the dynamic of performing one song dry, and the next looped into outer space. Anyway, so I see the music I make as a transitional vehicle. From the popular mundane, to what I like to think of the fine wines of music, the experimental, and etc. You can take people who don't listen to ambient music to places they wouldn't normally go by tricking them into thinking they are listening to a popular song they could hear on the radio. I give Budweiser drinkers a sip of Merlot, (that's you guys).
 
When I'm playing at home, its more entertaining to me, the loops are much longer and layers much deeper, effects much more dynamic. I'm experimenting. But during a performance I tone it down, I sing catchy tunes so that they like me, and throw in a few weird, noisy, ambient phrases to pique their interest, and so I have a good time too.
 
David
 
------=_Part_33849_24265569.1172717988601-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 03:53:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E73703BECF; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 03:53:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <053301c75bb5$3de3dca0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Why contemporary music sounds terrible Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:53:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 03:53:57 +0000 (UTC) I enjoyed reading the article on the history of compression and brick wall limiting in modern music and especially looking at the graphs of the examples. I had a couple of thoughts about compression, both pro and con: 1) Only little of the music that this community makes, even gets onto radio. And, as the guy in this article points out, even if you make a more dynamic CD the Radio has automatic and very sophisticated frequency controlled compression to even things out anyway: This means that we might just start a trend back toward more dynamic recordings here and away from brick wall compression in this community ..............one that will allow our fans to merely turn up the volume of their stereo if they want to hear the music louder. 2) Alternately, I am currently playing, listening to and composing a lot of music in the industrial/noise realm (in between sensitive recording sessions with different world acoustic musicians..............lol) and there is something really cool about a completely brick walled EBM or Power Noise track. It has a sound that is really different and in your face in aggressive way that is part of the aesthetic appeal (to some, of course) of the music to be produced this way. I remember hearing the Simple Minds "Don't you, Forget about Me" at a movie theatre when it first came out and it was just enormous using heavy compression in it's mix. It was really powerful and I went out and purchased it the next day because of it's sound. Compressing the hell out of drumsets, as an example, really makes the drum set sound different, timbrally Not necessarily better mind you...........there's certainly room for both aesthetics but I look at recording as almost a form of audio 'sculpture' if you will and this kind of over the top compression and clipping just becomes a different texture of musical clay (thanks for bearing with that metaphor) If you over compress you get 'pumping' or 'breathing' which is considered a bad thing in a lot of tradtional music. I love that sound though when used in electronic music and use it for it's own purpose because of the timbral quality it has. Someone wisely said that one's worst character defect can be a powerful character asset if used with conciousness and I imagine this is the wisest musical approach instead of an 'all or none' tack. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 07:49:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 629B23BEC2; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 07:49:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45E6859D.70300@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 08:49:49 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? References: <200702211505109.SM02192@quahome> In-Reply-To: <200702211505109.SM02192@quahome> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 07:49:54 +0000 (UTC) Qua Veda wrote: > It would be interesting to build some algorithm in Max that generates a > music form based on golden section or one of the other similarly pleasing > mathematical series. > > Maybe its already done. Oh yes, they all sound boring, unless you have some extra knobs to break the rules... What I do if I create algorithmic music: listen to the result, try to formulate what I don't like about the result, create a parameter to change that, and start again listening/changing till I like it. Then a few days later I have to come back and adjust again, till I feel its right... Within this process, the most important thing is to get rid of all thoughts and theories about good composition, its more like tuning in. If you tune your instrument, you'd better not think about scales, you just listen and adjust... You might find out afterwards, that you choose more often golden ratios than other ratios, but that doesn't mean anything... If you start composing by following all these rules, you certainly will be able to safly create music that will please a majority of people, but pleasing in this case means, they won't run away, they feel kind of comfortable with it, you can play it on the radio. But it doesn't do anything... This is not a good composition, its just pleasing. A good composition will turn your inside out, there is no rule for achieving this unless you call honesty a rule, you have to find your own way to do it... If you want to find some interesting attempts to create music like Bach look at this collection of 5000 !!! chorals: But I still would always prefer the original - and who wants to listen to 5000 chorals all made with the same rules?... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 07:50:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 699143BEC5; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 07:50:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45E685A7.6020202@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 08:49:59 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: wireless headset microphones for looping References: <649014.33210.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <649014.33210.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 07:50:03 +0000 (UTC) L.A. Angulo wrote: > I am curious to know if anybody is using such > micros,good brands for the buck, advantages > disadvantages etc. Not wireless, but since years I am singing into an AKG headset, for me the only way to move around , tweaking knobs and get sound into my Ondes Memorielles at the same time... If I could afford it, I'd probably get DPA's nowadays. The ones you almost can't see... Wireless is just an option, depends how much you move around... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 09:24:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12C783BECC; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:24:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45E69BB6.6010607@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:24:06 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? References: <200702211505109.SM02192@quahome> <0c9e01c75643$0e472690$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DDBF8F.4040104@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: <45DDBF8F.4040104@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:24:10 +0000 (UTC) Daryl Shawn wrote: > "What are the standards that we should set to judge all > compositions?". This is a good question, because its an absurd question. Art is not in the category for US to judge, but it is in the category for ME to judge. This sounds like a contradiction... It is not, but its the reason for so much confusion. If I have friends which like the same music, its likely we find criteria which let us believe we found THE common argument and rule to describe what is the standard to judge. But what you do, is lock yourself up and stop searching for the beauty in the music you don't like... This isn't necessarily bad, it will protect us for waisting our time. Usually we need some other members of our community to unlock us and lead us to the beauty, for most of us our parents and teachers do this, and keep us open for the beauty... > Would you argue that the question "What is Beauty?" is not a > worthwhile topic for philosophical discussion? Of course it is. Beauty is not an attribute to an object, its about the relation between an object and you. Thats it. If you judge "this picture is ugly" then you just might have missed its beauty, like in Rick's story (Thanks for sharing this Rick!) when he missed the beauty of Coltrane, but as his father was hearing the beauty, he learned to stay open and finally found much more beauty than he could imagine at the age of 12. If I don't like somethong I could assume I didn't get it. Of course you always can judge about craft. Its not hard to trash badly reproduced cover music or these "I want to be a star" attempts. But in these cases there is no art involved at all... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 09:24:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21DA23BED2; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:24:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45E69BC8.1090008@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:24:24 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ontology and epistemology of aestheitics References: <022220071607.26851.45DDBFBD000992E5000068E32215567074020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <022220071607.26851.45DDBFBD000992E5000068E32215567074020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:24:29 +0000 (UTC) midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > And we move swiftly to the subject of "Who listens to this shit > anyway?" Answer: Not really anybody. I mean, I love it, but if you > play "New" music for most people, they get that glazed look in their > eye and start looking at their watch. Yeah, that's the point where craft is important. If you love it, you need to communicate your love with the audience. Most contemporary artists lack this craft... > But WHY do you play? Art? Expression? Money? Girls? It would be nice > if all came together in one easy to digest package. If your art is worthwhile, this should be no problem, look at Stockhausen, he has one set for all of it, its even easy to digest (too easy for my taste...;-) > Imagine hearing a hot chick say "Whoa did you see the size of his > pedalboard?!!" If a "Chick" would take the pedalboard instead of my music for a symbol of my other qualities, I guess I am not interested, this can't be a "hot" chick... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 09:24:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 195CE3BECF; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:24:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45E69BDC.1080504@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:24:44 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? References: <200702211505109.SM02192@quahome> <0c9e01c75643$0e472690$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DDBF8F.4040104@mhorse.com> <0d2b01c756a1$6772d210$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DDCD43.2020600@mhorse.com> <0d4a01c756a5$43885830$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <0d4a01c756a5$43885830$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:24:48 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > Absolutely, especially when discussing with one's significant other. > The last thing I would say at a romantic dinner is, "Dear, let me > tell you about how I think the term 'beauty' is meaningless...[insert > sound of plate flying through air and annihilating face with filet > mignone]" :) This vision should lead you directly to the (context sensitive) meaning of the word beauty. I used to call my 93 old neighbour a beauty, and she was... I only needed to imagine how she had been 60 years ago, and when I'd tell her, her smile immediatly uncovered that beauty... (Sadly she died just before christmas without long suffering...:-( Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 11:00:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31BE83BECF; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:00:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45E6B246.6090304@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 05:00:22 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Chinapainting RPM release Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:00:29 +0000 (UTC) I've been playing regularly with Jim Goodin via Ninjam since the Loopfest/Kyberfest last fall, both of us improvising on acoustic guitars (Jim often on fretless) with lots of four-track cassette looping, plus the occasional echo pedal or Dictaphone. We've gotten enthused enough about it to bestow a proper name on ourselves - Chinapainting - and now have a website (http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com) and everything. To date we still haven't met in person, so we're effectively a Ninjam-only band. Shout-out to CPR for supporting us through his server! (We may be the only international, virtual, improvisational, acoustic, analog looping duo out there, but who knows...) We put together one ten-song demo release a couple of months ago, then decided to take part in the February Record-Per-Month project. We managed to finish on time (in truth, since we're all-improv, it was more a matter of editing Ninjam sessions than actually composing) and are releasing the results as a full album, called "Trick of Amethyst". We're selling the physical disc, which has some lovely artwork, and half the tunes can be streamed or downloaded from our site (here's the streaming page - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com/music.htm ). We'd love to hear any comments. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 11:08:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88DF93BEC7; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:08:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45E6B435.8030703@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 05:08:37 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? References: <200702211505109.SM02192@quahome> <0c9e01c75643$0e472690$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DDBF8F.4040104@mhorse.com> <45E69BB6.6010607@addcom.de> In-Reply-To: <45E69BB6.6010607@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:08:42 +0000 (UTC) Great post, Stefan. I'm not sure if it's the sign of an open mind or just a weak one that in this discussion, I've found myself agreeing with those who contradicted me... Daryl Shawn > "What are the standards that we should set to judge all >> compositions?". > > This is a good question, because its an absurd question. > Art is not in the category for US to judge, but it is in the category > for ME to judge. This sounds like a contradiction... > It is not, but its the reason for so much confusion. > If I have friends which like the same music, its likely we find > criteria which let us believe we found THE common argument and rule to > describe what is the standard to judge. > But what you do, is lock yourself up and stop searching for the beauty > in the music you don't like... > This isn't necessarily bad, it will protect us for waisting our time. > Usually we need some other members of our community to unlock us and > lead us to the beauty, for most of us our parents and teachers do > this, and keep us open for the beauty... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 11:30:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDDC83BECC; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:30:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 06:30:51 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <45E6B96B.90008@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:30:30 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. 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Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 11:36:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C17EC3BED2; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:36:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00ab01c75bf5$ccf6a5e0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E8_LaFosse_mp3?= Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 12:36:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C75BFE.2E75EE90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2007 11:36:07.0234 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD456220:01C75BF5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:36:10 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C75BFE.2E75EE90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At http://www.altruistmusic.com/nyc3.html ther's the entire live = performance=20 Andre LaFosse held at the Monkey (NY), January 19th, 2006, freely = downloadable. 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Tons of looping = technics=20 !
It's an year old, but = maybe someone=20 not have noticed it and i'm sure here
there are a lot of = guitarist (not=20 only...., like me) that may be interested in this.
Have a good = day
 
Fabio
------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C75BFE.2E75EE90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 11:57:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E8B03BECC; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:57:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=qV/zaQ66k5Nz89KhsqPY2C1pCHHBsYYRiXO+z4fMQqIv1nJzLUm30Ly41Oo8CS2rpEPrdtv5wyyFdh8Sz6KzPN3EDBqhfqaOscP9UrrioCSfgZps0t7FHmBz6ht/0iyCZsRvupFujFY8xc7ipQXr5QAAemRFSmLPHYtHPW0Z/Xk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=CnkKtQeSKsP0Ur2sCCCOHAAN5PavPF60vQ2NU/kSDwybxFy4opYHrCSuGrpMn2cuU7+NYba0PjiBJs92bVORdD4VHywRiCOCeGB90q+iJc6ppiQsLnRqWA1jJbKTqcCApPqSiZc2yQlg2FjXtzvLWRyChkw+QXzBvzL+TTRpBD0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <45E6B246.6090304@mhorse.com> References: <45E6B246.6090304@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <55BE5638-9A9B-4834-92C4-9FB7E3A7141E@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Chinapainting RPM release Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 12:56:51 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:57:03 +0000 (UTC) On 1 mar 2007, at 12.00, Daryl Shawn wrote: > http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com/ > We'd love to hear any comments. > Daryl Shawn I find the complete project very inviting and positively communicative. From the very first sight of the web site's splash page, with that great artwork by Ray Istorico, to the biography text, the streaming and download listening options and the PayPal link to purchase a physical cd. It just appears to be a true presentation. No boring "equipment lists", just the music and the pictures that go so well together. I like the music and the complete setup very much :-)) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 12:05:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CE843BEC1; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 12:05:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 13:05:47 +0100 From: aandreas@gmx.ch In-Reply-To: <619418.64738.qm@web33111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070301120547.260360@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <619418.64738.qm@web33111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: digitech x-delay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #16615515 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18HOvgxdt4HkkSVDBveVz95Id/lR7YfLxHU6Lal9A L3TTg0QDWTUxuP5iC47FF19V8= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <02P_OC.A.NJD.dGs5FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 12:05:49 +0000 (UTC) thanks for the tips. yeps, running it before the rc2 was the plan. however, an unexpected plan-shift occured last night, triggered by the fact that i suddenly got the pcmcia port on my old laptop working again.. the idea was to have a computer-free simple looper solution in front of my amp in the other room (i dont fear the computers but as a programmer i already spend too much time with them...) but that was put on hold now:) anyway, i have a (in/out latency=6ms) guitar-truh-audiomulch in-front-of-amp setup working now that kept me awake till early in the morning. currently controlling it with midi knobs/buttons, but i guess ill invest the money planned for the rc2 into a behringer fcb1010 now...:) so heres the next question: the fcb1010 does have lights on each pedal, right? so i assume i can set them up as on/off switches, ie switching between cc 0 and cc128 , with the current status reported via the lights. right? (as opposed to 'momentary' buttons that only send when stomped upon) i want to set this up so that i dont have to look at the screen... thanks again -a -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Datum: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:11:52 -0800 (PST) Von: scott hansen An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: Betreff: digitech x-delay > i will say that i found the digitech x-delay a very useful tool for the > price (99$). > the 4 sec of delay was more than enough for me most of the time, and i > liked being able > to manipulate the decay (feedback rate) and mess w/ the time a > bit-should not the messing w/ the time isn't perfect, but is useful (ie: short to > long or long to short). > i liked that if you put the feedback at 100% it locks in, i think when > you put the feedback knob at about 4o'clock allows you to continue to enter > stuff to the delay-a handy option. > i didn't use the sound on sound which is more of a sample-based > option-didn't use b/c i generally don't "STOMP" on my pedals-use mostly by hand.... > i also liked the reverse delay, also very handy and useful. > the tape delays were good, and gave a good approx. of the echoplex > messing w/ time, not as exact as actual sounds i've heard (think tommy bolin or > steve stevens etc), but decent. > > i would think that if the x-delay is placed before the boss rc-2, you > could do crazy delay maniplations and then capture them to the rc-2 to play > over, etc..... > s---- > ps-i should qualify that my xdelay is put away now in favor of using a > digitech rp150 (which has 5 sec of delay) and my boss dd20. the rp150 is > their new multieffects box, not a delay persay, but is handy. i was playing > around w/ the analog delay on it the other night and it gets some nice > twisted sounds.... > > > --------------------------------- > TV dinner still cooling? > Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 12:09:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 028DF3BEC1; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 12:09:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45E6C25F.7040608@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 13:09:03 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? References: <0db301c756b5$de9e63e0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <0db301c756b5$de9e63e0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 12:09:07 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > "X is red" and "X is Good" are entirely different. One we can > verify, the other is empty. Unfortunately language is sometimes used in an unprecise way. Depending on the context "X is good" can imply an empty meaningles statement, or is just short for "I like X and think its good, look at it, you might come to the same conclusion". If Krispens says "X is good" (Which he would only do in a context where the other part can't missunderstand it) I would replace it with the long sentence. If a virtuoso guitar teacher says Al DiMeola is a better guitar player than me adding "Thats what I call a good guitarist", I'd understand it as a comparison of technical skills etc... And if you listen to the collection of "Thats what I call music", you know that statement is just meaningless bullshit, though its stated as a personal view of things --- its obviously not... Yes Krispen I totally agree to your view, I just added some examplesof how all the confusion can come up... I'd consider Wittgenstein a good reading on the topic as well... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 12:19:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D974F3BEC1; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 12:19:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 453371954 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C75BFB.E5D80C2B" Subject: RE: Why contemporary music sounds terrible Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 12:19:45 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7202135F20@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Why contemporary music sounds terrible Thread-Index: Acdb++XWyjw8YjGDQW29BSTl9IeiNg== From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2007 12:19:45.0338 (UTC) FILETIME=[E5C859A0:01C75BFB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 12:19:47 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C75BFB.E5D80C2B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> This is my current favorite "radio" << =20 I have three sony cd-jukebox things at home, each with 400 discs. faced = with so little prospect of finding time to enjoy the fruits of my = avaricious purchasing, I bought a thing called a "slingbox", & hooked = two of the machines up to it, so that they crossfade/shuffle from my = collection, totally at random. then I pointed an old dv camera at the = front of them so I can see what they're doing. thus, I can see & hear my = own cd collection being played 24/7, wherever I can get on the internet. = sadly, it only supports one user at a time,but one day I might have the = web chops to stream the buggers properly & publish a link. folks ask me = why I don't just get an i-pod or something similar- I guess I'm just = old-fashioned. =20 today the randomiser seems to be fixated on king crimson, the smiths & = sonic youth. yesterday it was yes, bob dylan & hawkwind. all that's = missing is a friendly knowledgable voice every now & then, but there are = some bill hicks recordings in there, so..... =20 duncan. =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C75BFB.E5D80C2B Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 >> This is my = current=20 favorite "radio"  <<
 
I have three sony cd-jukebox = things at=20 home, each with 400 discs. faced with so little prospect of finding time = to=20 enjoy the fruits of my avaricious purchasing, I bought a thing called a=20 "slingbox", & hooked two of the machines up to it, so that they=20 crossfade/shuffle from my collection, totally at random. then I pointed = an old=20 dv camera at the front of them so I can see what they're doing. = thus, I can=20 see & hear my own cd collection being played 24/7, wherever I can = get on the=20 internet. sadly, it only supports one user at a time,but one day I might = have=20 the web chops to stream the buggers properly & publish a link. folks = ask me=20 why I don't just get an i-pod or something similar- I guess I'm just=20 old-fashioned.
 
today the randomiser seems to = be fixated=20 on king crimson, the smiths & sonic youth. yesterday it was yes, bob = dylan & hawkwind. all that's missing is a friendly knowledgable = voice=20 every now & then, but there are some bill hicks recordings in there, = so.....
 
duncan.  
 
 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C75BFB.E5D80C2B-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 12:21:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B18A3BED0; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 12:21:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 530911099 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Immersive sound Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 12:21:19 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7202135F21@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Immersive sound Thread-Index: Acdb/B3AH+1X7BNeR9CSXoh+S8gmgw== From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2007 12:21:19.0381 (UTC) FILETIME=[1DD62C50:01C75BFC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 12:21:21 +0000 (UTC) >>Anyway, talk about immersive! Dan Ash White Plains, NY<< you aren't the danny ash from bauhaus are you? :-) duncan. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 12:22:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D94853BEB9; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 12:22:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005301c75bfc$52eb0a50$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <053301c75bb5$3de3dca0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds terrible Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 12:22:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 12:22:58 +0000 (UTC) Re: Radio station compression! I'm remembering back to 1975-6, when I was at college for the first time with my first 'real' stereo. 20W RMS sounds different in a 9x12 linoleum-floored room when you've been used to your larger, carpeted bedroom at home - duh! - and I was only slightly prepared for this by working in a stereo store before going to school. This change of locale was also in terms of the kind of radio one could get (the difference between WQIV 'The Quadfather' or WNEW-FM in NYC, and the local station in Winston-Salem, NC was more than noticeable!): the midrange was particularly limited. Every Sunday night the NC station would run a newly-released album; and one time it was Robin Trower's "For Earth Below".. I recorded the album off-radio, and had listened to the tape for a week or two before buying it. The difference in dynamics was really something noticeable, for instance snare drums with some reverb on them would continually hit a kind of audio ceiling. Another example of this was the beginning of that old chestnut "Rollercoaster". On the same station in Winston-Salem, what might have been normalization (?), one could hear the guitar riff separately from its reverb, and all were washed out by the kick-bass when it hit. In NYC when I heard this on the radio nothing of the sort happened. So I suspect that, in the beginnings of FM, all of the above affectations were up to the engineers at the station-in-question; while, in our ClearChannel universe, All Must Be The Same. One thing I thought I should bring up since it hasn't been as yet: The possibility that studio engineers are putting everything up to near-0db in order to not only do mixing on a less competency-required basis, but compete with the commercials, which are loud enough at times to knock the Mute setting off altogether. As we know, after all, commercials are FAR more important to executives than the mere fodder-bait they play between them, aka music. Stephen Goodman * * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * The Loop Of The Week since 1996! * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 14:16:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE4EC3BED3; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 14:16:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45E6E021.9020300@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 15:16:01 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Well OT Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? References: <200702211505109.SM02192@quahome> <0c9e01c75643$0e472690$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DD72AF.30500@tiscali.co.uk> <0cd601c75696$5ca2e150$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DDD609.9020801@tiscali.co.uk> <0da401c756b1$a275d5a0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DE13B1.5080107@tiscali.co.uk> <0e1901c756d4$0bcae410$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DE9474.5090008@tiscali.co.uk> <10b001c75739$d8ad0ac0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DEE2DA.3090909@tiscali.co.uk> <20070223075955.s8dwb80iqso88gwg@69.89.21.76> In-Reply-To: <20070223075955.s8dwb80iqso88gwg@69.89.21.76> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 14:16:06 +0000 (UTC) kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > Philosophy is a noble pursuit, to be sure. Philosophy doesn't help me > to work out a difficult key change, though. :) It might though, but more likely indirect. Maybe you find out that being locked into thinking in keys is the main problem and finally you are able to break old rotten rules exactly at a point where it makes sense... Philosophy is the key to break free... (and I should switch to poetry...;-) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 14:23:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A3473BEDB; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 14:23:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45E6E1E9.2070204@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 15:23:37 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Well OT Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? References: <45df03f6.33d687a6.5409.ffff953d@mx.google.com> <112001c75763$d8ac5560$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <112001c75763$d8ac5560$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 14:23:42 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > violator of Occam's Razor. That shall be the name of my next band, and I shall make better music no doubt... (Its probably enough just to imagine it, and it will be better than anything this world has heard so far... ;-) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 15:09:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 469FA3BED5; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:09:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=lVkabTj1dM+e49QwOBd5HRDGIIvOFYnXXKhukTJ5RRKcP0XbjsYJrezSiEKnXF/DaOgQUElFjOC3at3ooTC644uEl/cltRXfm9v0zaFreWRor9MrJI42hqSggQUOt2Hk9ELJSgmJuAohVFj5JDSLsUI+la4mgwCMktybIWM7f30= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=rWQ92pybZ2nEIyed6tRqnjhS2g43v4i6Odf57arsViKE3IWxn3by7x8xtTkHng3Yf2DHTcWuUP3LYk2l8BtlYqowUbunSRf0kHjCTLpu5Z4Snq3CNkAPNYlegWDDUgkoHZvOc0ajmDqNp4Hrd24E4ulKFpWomDFFaox/sdmiJuY= Message-ID: <55e79c0d0703010709y2633a5a1i8b20896402659a53@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:09:09 -0600 From: "Dan Katayama" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: the side effects of looping MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6342_30277805.1172761749112" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:09:20 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_6342_30277805.1172761749112 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've gotten so used to "looping" music that it's now really a part of "my sound". It's a way for me to express what I am feeling in its purest form. I don't really think about what I'm doing, I don't calculate, so if I can just get a moment of what I feel on tape, I'm pretty happy. But from an instrumentation perspective, or creative aspect, I lose the opportunity to "push the envelope" with my music. And that is actually my choice. I want to leave my music in its most natural form possible, mistakes and all. But I still wanted to put myself in a situation where I had no control. So I joined a band on the side. A kind of wierd rock band. And I feel out of control each time I play with them, and it has been exciting as hell. But I've come to notice, that I've lost the ability to "write" with a band. If they give me an idea, I can contribute, but to sit there and "write" spontaneously has been difficult. Because I'm still thinking in layers..I'm thinking slow...and somehow I've lost something. Do any of you guys know what I'm talking about? -- kosukeweb http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_6342_30277805.1172761749112 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've gotten so used to "looping" music that it's now really a part of "my sound".
It's a way for me to express what I am feeling in its purest form.  I don't really think about what I'm doing,
I don't calculate, so if I can just get a moment of what I feel on tape, I'm pretty happy.

But from an instrumentation perspective, or creative aspect, I lose the opportunity to "push the envelope" with my music.
And that is actually my choice.  I want to leave my music in its most natural form possible, mistakes and all.
But I still wanted to put myself in a situation where I had no control.
So I joined a band on the side.  A kind of wierd rock band.  And I feel out of control each time I play with them,
and it has been exciting as hell.
But I've come to notice, that I've lost the ability to "write" with a band.
If they give me an idea, I can contribute, but to sit there and "write" spontaneously has been difficult.
Because I'm still thinking in layers..I'm thinking slow...and somehow I've lost something.

Do any of you guys know what I'm talking about?


--
kosukeweb
http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_6342_30277805.1172761749112-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 15:15:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D08043BED0; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:15:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1172761444.45e6eb645c8c6@webmail.m3ch.net> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:04:04 -0600 From: Mech To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New live sampling/looping/delay effect MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.3 X-Originating-IP: 203.209.71.226 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:15:21 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Os : > > I've just released a beta of a new plugin which can do some pretty > powerful and unusual looping type stuff: > > http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/xfadelooper.html Os, you never cease to amaze me: this rocks just so hard! In the past, I've posted about how much fun I've had with the previous versions of Crossfade Loop Synth, especially assigning the sample start and end points to the AXYZ dome on the Alesis Photon controller and manipulating the loop points in realtime. The only thing that ever nagged at me with the instrument was that it only worked on pre-recorded sample files. I'd be playing around with a sample and would wish I could do the same while looping realtime input. Any half-dozen times I've almost written off a feature request for this (or, conversely, for similar loop point manipulation capabilities in Augustus Loop), but then sloughed it off thinking, "nah, I gotta be the only guy around interested in this". Now, here comes the Crossfade Loop Synth Effect, which sounds like exactly the functionality I would've requested. I'm off on travel (again!) but I'm going to add this one as a regular in my little arsenal just as soon as I get back. Bravo! Like I said, Os, you rock!!! --m. ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 15:29:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 427013BEDE; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:29:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Idx0W8vXpCG90DLxPs4Lhy9Yv0uEnQjBhTBjCXpahd2UepR8SWBIy7BUW6rJUo+nLsUU6cHPm8xcKaaM2HvvNxvnMB8KsWyjDpVuFTs4t5sBJHnEEpuE3+5kKmr4CpbZjqeTaMZC7cuHWRdvtGjT3KSdDns5P3w46477kPASQaQ=; X-YMail-OSG: UBUXIy4VM1kjz.TAyFaz1LwMyK5it7ta9nsdO74m.YxVBqYIrDh2CiWGNDks7Ki9msh21YpMCvc3ZU8sC0RJN1N0XU9ukcdKQ2xdt5xRV.jfY06YLwqrVTCL1LbPOH_elrw2yw-- Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 16:28:22 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: From making music (home) - to giving out music (cd-itunes) - and getting gigs To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, midiguitar@yahoogroups.com, repeater-users@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <288249.32648.qm@web26204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6TSiAC.A.n3C.IFv5FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:29:13 +0000 (UTC) Hi ! If you are an amature ( I am) making music (at home) and hoping to get the music out to people - and maybe then be able to play this music at gigs - does anyone of you have tips on how to do this - if one are not in the position to get a record-deal. Are there record -labels that are into the things we (loopers) do ? Isnt it like this - if one dont get the music out - there will not be any gigs - and then the music stays inside my four walls. Are there ways different ways to; 1. Making cd without a record-deal? What do you guys do ? -covers- print - distributing - rights - and so on.... 2. Is it possible to have ones music (without record-deal) on Itunes ? How are one to get from making music at home to: getting the music on cd - the getting it out there (itunes) - how to getting it know - thats it out there - and then maybe getting gigs ? Not that I have the music ready - but how are one to get this "snowball running" ? Any thoughts ? Sorry for my poor english. best regards Rune F. _________________________________________________________ Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 15:37:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20D663BEDA; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:37:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1172762791.45e6f0a727e07@webmail.m3ch.net> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:26:31 -0600 From: Mech To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, andy butler Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Immersive sound References: <200702222247500.SM03324@quahome> <0EE64244-B2E4-4997-9406-55BA4CFA859E@gmail.com> <45DF09F7.4050702@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <45DF09F7.4050702@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.3 X-Originating-IP: 203.209.71.226 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:37:48 +0000 (UTC) Quoting andy butler : > Travis Hartnett wrote: > > Have you tried the three speaker setup described by Eno (I think it's > > in the liner notes for "On Land")? > > Yep, it's on the back cover of Ambient 4 on land.... > > One unsatisfactory thing about this setup is that it's assymetric, the > 3rd speaker is in phase with one of the main speakers and not the other > so there's always a hole in the surround. Sorry to chime in a bit late here (sporadic net access while out on the road; i'm about 600 messages behind right now), but I'm wondering if one of the variations I've used for this might help with this problem. A lot of the cheeseball "vocal zapper" effects (used for things like preparing karaoke tracks) use pretty much the same principal to function. Their designers figure that the main vocal is going to be dead center 99% of the time, so they use polarity differences and a bit of EQ to eliminate the programming in the center of the channel. When summed into mono, this can work pretty well for generating the signal for a third back speaker. I never really noticed a hole in the surround using one of these, although I wasn't really looking, so YMMV. Relatedly, I've also had some luck with increasing the stereo spread using only two speakers and one of the old Crate SRS mini-units. They come up cheap on Ebay occasionally, and while they don't really go so far as to create a real 3D sound image, they do increase the apparent stereo separation. --m. ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 15:47:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 61C783BEE1; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:47:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qqbf/AXojn05gEusApOtgYfQawx7dBRmk+aoKsTdPvPaZ90ljMR89XStTAO39HVIGEfiKUXzgWJORppkqFEnA8IeHZJGGlGQiI8NOhuI9j1A0/KIgxgQphAhMD3JbgGCHzzsSWCGWG2IaHSGm7DhBHYbeuWWUOvMEt4ZauZWfH8= ; Message-ID: <20070301154742.57506.qmail@web34311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: e2ygFKUVM1n5UJK_bwqL_dxWIKL9K54PTS2Hr0SeZHE5Ds7OHe9qdWCsVF9xPscs.UEuuZRkg2IFyB2_sGy7c.AEFPscgJqcX6rUBllni.RauUCA9WsObmdCxKydzYuXdDsVDVrufXFkr50- Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 07:47:42 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Kupferschmid Subject: Re: the side effects of looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <55e79c0d0703010709y2633a5a1i8b20896402659a53@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:47:45 +0000 (UTC) I kind of do, but you have to try to make a part of what you do a part of the band sound. I've always thought thet way, in the sense that I think in layers, but mine was more of an orchestrated thing, I can hear the complete song in my head. really, all you have to do is learn how to break those layers down into what would be your part, then let the others figure out their parts, while you'll have no control over what they come up with, you know your part, and who knows, if you think about it, you can still use those layers to augment the rest of the band. Think of the studio as one giant looper, the only difference being you are looping in doses and not in real time. Does this make much sense? --- Dan Katayama wrote: > I've gotten so used to "looping" music that it's now > really a part of "my > sound". > It's a way for me to express what I am feeling in > its purest form. I don't > really think about what I'm doing, > I don't calculate, so if I can just get a moment of > what I feel on tape, I'm > pretty happy. > > But from an instrumentation perspective, or creative > aspect, I lose the > opportunity to "push the envelope" with my music. > And that is actually my choice. I want to leave my > music in its most > natural form possible, mistakes and all. > But I still wanted to put myself in a situation > where I had no control. > So I joined a band on the side. A kind of wierd > rock band. And I feel out > of control each time I play with them, > and it has been exciting as hell. > But I've come to notice, that I've lost the ability > to "write" with a band. > If they give me an idea, I can contribute, but to > sit there and "write" > spontaneously has been difficult. > Because I'm still thinking in layers..I'm thinking > slow...and somehow I've > lost something. > > Do any of you guys know what I'm talking about? > > > -- > kosukeweb > http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 15:55:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BFC803BEDB; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:55:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006e01c75c1a$08320770$e1ccf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <0db301c756b5$de9e63e0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45E6C25F.7040608@addcom.de> Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 08:55:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:55:29 +0000 (UTC) Wow! I leave for a business trip and come back to see that Stefan has carried the torch on. Excellent. I'll just read here and not respond in detail. I've already taken this offline with Andy because the strings have become overally technical for the list. Interesting topic. Wittgenstein...oh yes, some of my favorite readings (The Investigations, Blue Book, Brown Book, etc)....the real originator of logical atomism and language games in my opinion. For him X is Red is also a logical atom, but the confusion from subjectivity is eliminated by what he called an "ostensive definition". So basically, all this fuzziness is worked on in human evolution of language. Don't know what I mean by "red"? Here, let me point at this particular patch of red...."THIS is red"...and I do this over and over again with different shade of what I think of as red. Eventually, we can communicate, without observing the exact same thing, and without having to posit any objective data. It's worked out based on subjective sensory perceptions and our common "wiring". Whether we see slightly different shades is irrelevant. Our brains our designed so that we eventually establish a common understand and language, so that if I tell someone to go to the store and buy me a red t-shirt, chances are they will come back with a shirt I consider red. It may not be my favorite shade, but chances are I will agree it is red. Human beings would have perished a long time ago if we didn't have this built in ability to generalize our language. Wittgenstein uses this interesting examples with the slab of wood...he starts with this really primitive, cave man style of language to illustrate how we build our language and understanding of terms like "red". I point at the slab and grunt, "Slab!!!". Do I mean the color, the object, the shape? It takes a while to determine this based on the process of elimination. Eventually we build up this complex language based on sense data...and eventually, in my opinion, an abuse of the language in some areas, such as the term "Beauty". Some philosophers have designated this usage as a fallacy, sometimes called the fallacy of false substantiation. It is when we assume just because there is a word that is a general noun, that it must somehow denote an actual entity. In other words, folks use the term "beauty", but doing so doesn't mean there is an actual thing out there we could say is beauty...unless we are Platonists. It turns out that many modern philosophers and linguists agree that these terms don't have any object associated with them, but are constructed to be truncated version of many other terms and observations. It is an abbreviated way of saying something else. Imagine if everything time I said something was beautiful, I had to qualify exactly what I meant down the specific logical atoms that denoted my owen sensory data or memories of sensory data. It would take hours and we'd never be able to communicate. It's easier to just use the word and assume we have a common understand in absence of there being an actual "Thing" out there called beauty. Anyone remember the remake of the Planet of the Apes, where the head ape pries open Taylor's mouth and ask where is his soul? Very similar topic....albeit a very controversial one. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Tiedje" To: Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 5:09 AM Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> "X is red" and "X is Good" are entirely different. One we can verify, the >> other is empty. > > Unfortunately language is sometimes used in an unprecise way. Depending on > the context "X is good" can imply an empty meaningles statement, or is > just short for "I like X and think its good, look at it, you might come to > the same conclusion". If Krispens says "X is good" (Which he would only do > in a context where the other part can't missunderstand it) I would replace > it with the long sentence. If a virtuoso guitar teacher says Al DiMeola is > a better guitar player than me adding "Thats what I call a good > guitarist", I'd understand it as a comparison of technical skills etc... > And if you listen to the collection of "Thats what I call music", you know > that statement is just meaningless bullshit, though its stated as a > personal view of things --- its obviously not... > > Yes Krispen I totally agree to your view, I just added some examplesof how > all the confusion can come up... > I'd consider Wittgenstein a good reading on the topic as well... > > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 15:58:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 261FC3BEDC; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:58:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=G4Blgp51nYuM3S0Xcm+qCXoKADhXWaeZexgH21LjH+PKgD61CpaUwnbey89i96f3aGrc8/WeLKx+pujA4qa1w+CehFpahruoL6I4VX1N3ur6A4MBhqv/bbA39iTNrJPmCN0aQ71LCofmFUWnNSCIhzeaOUgr2a7RIpxEHD3AEIQ=; X-YMail-OSG: l2brgy8VM1kAlaUHnYdsIzOOkFazaoU.ew9oGNQtD6szsyizetZ9kFVjcIVhidfAFYCUcsP4JRSSfIcT9aW.MtZOEQYqMNDGgzeb6_l74WKGbwJTDv_td8dzK4mrVAWjRAAeJteRQ1G.v0Q- Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 07:58:01 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Kupferschmid Subject: RE: Why contemporary music sounds terrible To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7202135F20@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <814161.25082.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:58:03 +0000 (UTC) Speaking of iPods, and the like, I noticed my Zen Micro has a Smart Sound feature, which for all in tents and purposes, is a compressor. It was meant to use as a volume attenuator between song mastered as different levels. Does it work? Kinda. it tends to keep songs from clipping, but I still hear distinct volume differences between Led Zeppelin's No Quarter, Jean Luc-Ponty's Cosmic Messenger, and Rebel Meets Rebel(which is, by the way, mastered very LOUD). I love my mp3 player, because I can now listen to music everywhere, but I lose the dynamics and purity of the songs, the Tool album, 10,000 Days sounds better on the cd than it does on the mp3 player, then again, any of my records still sounds better than the cds, minus the crackle. --- "Goddard, Duncan" wrote: > >> This is my current favorite "radio" << > > I have three sony cd-jukebox things at home, each > with 400 discs. faced with so little prospect of > finding time to enjoy the fruits of my avaricious > purchasing, I bought a thing called a "slingbox", & > hooked two of the machines up to it, so that they > crossfade/shuffle from my collection, totally at > random. then I pointed an old dv camera at the front > of them so I can see what they're doing. thus, I can > see & hear my own cd collection being played 24/7, > wherever I can get on the internet. sadly, it only > supports one user at a time,but one day I might have > the web chops to stream the buggers properly & > publish a link. folks ask me why I don't just get an > i-pod or something similar- I guess I'm just > old-fashioned. > > today the randomiser seems to be fixated on king > crimson, the smiths & sonic youth. yesterday it was > yes, bob dylan & hawkwind. all that's missing is a > friendly knowledgable voice every now & then, but > there are some bill hicks recordings in there, > so..... > > duncan. > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 16:16:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDF903BEE9; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 16:16:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070301101649.2juzklqle04kcw88@69.89.21.76> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:16:49 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Well OT Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? References: <200702211505109.SM02192@quahome> <0c9e01c75643$0e472690$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DD72AF.30500@tiscali.co.uk> <0cd601c75696$5ca2e150$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DDD609.9020801@tiscali.co.uk> <0da401c756b1$a275d5a0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DE13B1.5080107@tiscali.co.uk> <0e1901c756d4$0bcae410$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DE9474.5090008@tiscali.co.uk> <10b001c75739$d8ad0ac0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DEE2DA.3090909@tiscali.co.uk> <20070223075955.s8dwb80iqso88gwg@69.89.21.76> <45E6E021.9020300@addcom.de> In-Reply-To: <45E6E021.9020300@addcom.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 16:16:50 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Stefan Tiedje : > Maybe you find out that > being locked into thinking in keys is the main problem and finally you > are able to break old rotten rules exactly at a point where it makes > sense... Interesting point. I have always found key signatures to be confining and I haven't composed with standard notation since the mid 80's. I prefer a piano roll editor. My only need for standard notation is so I can learn the music and play it myself. 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 16:44:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67DF13BED3; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 16:44:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070301104453.tvejz6vxtwkk4cc4@69.89.21.76> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:44:53 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? References: <0db301c756b5$de9e63e0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45E6C25F.7040608@addcom.de> <006e01c75c1a$08320770$e1ccf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <006e01c75c1a$08320770$e1ccf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 16:44:56 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Krispen Hartung : > Imagine if everything time I said something was > beautiful, I had to qualify exactly what I meant down the specific > logical atoms that denoted my owen sensory data or memories of sensory > data. It would take hours and we'd never be able to communicate. It's > easier to just use the word and assume we have a common understand in > absence of there being an actual "Thing" out there called beauty. This point is well-taken: that a word such as "beauty" is a shorthand =20 that we can use to communicate with the presumption that you and I =20 have enough in common that our respective approaches to "beauty" are =20 similar. Having worked with live organ/choral music, a "good" acoustic suggests =20 a live space with reflective surfaces and enough reverb to carry the =20 sound without destroying clarity. A "poor" space would be one that is =20 "dead" -- that is, a space with carpet, acoustical tile, and absorbent =20 properties. One time a live-sound person commented to me that he had dealt with a =20 lot of "bad" rooms. I asked him, "What to you is a bad room?" And =20 his answer: "A room that has reverb." Thus, when someone tells you they want to deliver to you a "good" or =20 "beautiful" product, you might want to investigate exactly what they =20 mean to avoid an unpleasant surprise. :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 18:00:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8F003BEDF; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 18:00:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00be01c75c2b$725f5d30$e1ccf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200702211505109.SM02192@quahome> <0c9e01c75643$0e472690$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DDBF8F.4040104@mhorse.com> <0d2b01c756a1$6772d210$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DDCD43.2020600@mhorse.com> <0d4a01c756a5$43885830$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45E69BDC.1080504@addcom.de> Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:00:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <0db7uC.A.jXB.qSx5FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 18:00:10 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Tiedje" > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> Absolutely, especially when discussing with one's significant other. >> The last thing I would say at a romantic dinner is, "Dear, let me >> tell you about how I think the term 'beauty' is meaningless...[insert >> sound of plate flying through air and annihilating face with filet >> mignone]" :) > > This vision should lead you directly to the (context sensitive) meaning of > the word beauty. That's right. In fact, I rarely ever use the term. I find it easier to cut to the chase and just say what I mean, which is to clarify what I like or makes me feel good. My ultimate goal is to communicate in such a way that I dispense with all value language...no good, bad, beautiful, etc...just descriptive statements that describe how I feel, what I observe, etc. It's not always possible to do this in complex settings, so the abbreviated, albeit nonsensical evaluative term has to work. It's a lesser of two "evils"....heh heh....just kidding....but that is an example. I don't believe in a thing such as evil, or that "evil" denotes any real attribute in the world. But when I say "lesser of two evils" it is a truncated way to say something that boils down to non-value based language for me. So, one might ask me here, am I also an ethical non-cognitivist? Most certainly. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 19:11:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3140F3BED9; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 19:11:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1563905042.1172776300326.JavaMail.root@fepweb12> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:11:40 -0800 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the side effects of looping Cc: Dan Katayama MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 66.169.252.252 by mail.charter.net; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 14:11:39 -0500 X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 19:11:45 +0000 (UTC) Dan said, > Do any of you guys know what I'm talking about? Heheheh. From personal experience, I can only wish I did.=20 Since I could never sing and play at the same time (even now after 45 years= of guitaring and 25 years of loping) I never really got into "songs" and s= uch -- as far as my own playing goes anyway. I love a good "song" as much as the next person. But it's always been beyon= d me to put one together -- or at least to do so AND to perform it. I've been looping now for just a few years short of half as long as I've be= en alive. I started looping mostly because it seemed to fit into my limitations and t= he way my brain naturally works. I organise "tunes" and "compositions" in a sort of sideways to normal manne= r anyway -- if I do so at all (even when I'm not looping). Mostly I just extemporize. I can try to understand a little bit how somone could get "out of the habit= " of doing things a certain way because of looping. But mostly I have only experienced benefits from the practice. I can't lose a facility that I never actually had. I admire the heck out of people who can write a good song though -- most of= all because I can't. Just thought I'd toss in my 2 cents. Cheers, tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?p= layListId=3D6378076=20 http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- Dan Katayama wrote:=20 > I've gotten so used to "looping" music that it's now really a part of "my > sound". > It's a way for me to express what I am feeling in its purest form. I don= 't > really think about what I'm doing, > I don't calculate, so if I can just get a moment of what I feel on tape, = I'm > pretty happy. >=20 > But from an instrumentation perspective, or creative aspect, I lose the > opportunity to "push the envelope" with my music. > And that is actually my choice. I want to leave my music in its most > natural form possible, mistakes and all. > But I still wanted to put myself in a situation where I had no control. > So I joined a band on the side. A kind of wierd rock band. And I feel o= ut > of control each time I play with them, > and it has been exciting as hell. > But I've come to notice, that I've lost the ability to "write" with a ban= d. > If they give me an idea, I can contribute, but to sit there and "write" > spontaneously has been difficult. > Because I'm still thinking in layers..I'm thinking slow...and somehow I'v= e > lost something. >=20 > Do any of you guys know what I'm talking about? >=20 >=20 > --=20 > kosukeweb > http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 19:38:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 751B03BEFB; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 19:38:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAKK65kVKgAATm2dsb2JhbACDJosFfAIBAQcOBwYdlhoBAQE Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 13:34:56 -0600 From: mwsmart@insightbb.com Subject: KT Tunstall In-reply-to: <00be01c75c2b$725f5d30$e1ccf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ZCEWJFy/HMekub4PDG6fPg)" Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <200702211505109.SM02192@quahome> <0c9e01c75643$0e472690$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DDBF8F.4040104@mhorse.com> <0d2b01c756a1$6772d210$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DDCD43.2020600@mhorse.com> <0d4a01c756a5$43885830$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45E69BDC.1080504@addcom.de> <00be01c75c2b$725f5d30$e1ccf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 19:38:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_ZCEWJFy/HMekub4PDG6fPg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Wow, check this out!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIO2qpSsUTA Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net --Boundary_(ID_ZCEWJFy/HMekub4PDG6fPg) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline

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