From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 11:12:31 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 405AC18354C; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 11:12:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com x-originating-ip: 208.109.97.160 Message-ID: <51FA4363.4020603@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 07:15:47 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 11:12:31 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY http://galactictravels.info Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special Focus on Dan Pound. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Interlace" on Pound Sounds. The Special Focus page is at http://soundscapes.us/gt/playlists/2013/focus.html#aug Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 15:10:11 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78806183549; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 15:10:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=CSimB0TSINQzcnwgJfJAH/8Ve/aLEACPojsRTfprcDg=; b=pz9IkYhOZBAHa/nKyHJoM524U1NGAssfhnzRuHJN+WBBoZfUcE6DZpxrJDhSQ3wiRA behjkV7ZJ0JgUgnUYhlyuYhPnmO0eC6Tf0DrOi0CDwiCX7LzU23CFRm8PHuQUSRtFnBK 1Gu+fWBES5Kxyj3FKL+Ww4Na5SOb2YJ8nr6onbiuSoAgbPgh0yZFBOv/ld7kWHH2bJYt 53whEeGBZQHmnvj9YgRl8uM2KP/TcKqwZYTvTXhW/UIfwIpNekpHnKPTG60qm4Pm6VDh CZLDGmNlciFkrpouM8dpjgcq7k9IWdOcWuilTC8vOEr1Paohi+k/dHjd7WKFU+C0ZRpt QgDQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.144.104 with SMTP id sl8mr4953650pab.9.1375370008638; Thu, 01 Aug 2013 08:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Sender: leesloanpianist@gmail.com Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 17:13:28 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: fRM86aob9X0LdHli7aFuGOZwJw4 Message-ID: Subject: Eventide HW8000 For Sale - Berlin From: MasterMuso To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6d82a8ccbc8004e2e44861 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 15:10:10 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b6d82a8ccbc8004e2e44861 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Reluctant sale of this unparalleled rackmount effects processor, Eventide's flagship. For those of you who know it and have had the pleasure of using it, no further explanation required. For those of you who aren't familiar with it, please see the HW8000 product page from Eventide here: http://www.eventide.com/AudioDivision/Products/Harmonizer%20Effects%20Proce= ssors/H8000FW.aspx I bought this unit new from ProAudio Europe in London, and it's in absolutely mint condition. Studio use only, and very little of that. Complete documentation included. I just don't have sufficient need for it these days, and can't justify having the money tied up. Thomann advertizing these currently for =805,299, new. I'm asking =803,750 = ovno. Let me know of any interest. I'm based in Berlin. Thanks. Lee --047d7b6d82a8ccbc8004e2e44861 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Reluctant sale of this = unparalleled rackmount effects processor, Eventide's flagship.
For t= hose of you who know it and have had the pleasure of using it, no further e= xplanation required.
For those of you who aren't familiar with it, please see the HW8000 pro= duct page from Eventide here:

http://= www.eventide.com/AudioDivision/Products/Harmonizer%20Effects%20Processors/H= 8000FW.aspx

I bought this unit new from ProAudio Europe in London, and it'= ;s in absolutely mint condition.
Studio use only, and very little = of that.
Complete documentation included.

I just don't have sufficient need for it these days, and can't just= ify having the money tied up.

Thomann advertizing t= hese currently for =805,299, new. I'm asking =803,750 ovno.

Let me know of any interest.

I'm based in Berlin.

<= /div>Thanks.

Lee
--047d7b6d82a8ccbc8004e2e44861-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 17:40:47 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 809E4183548; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 17:40:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 958947.59901.bm@omp1032.mail.ir2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1375379043; bh=npzyz5Q479MmJ1PLC6hTjIlO3VooebMzMxbBwuYTdVU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Uik3jpYrHtMKMOqFMjfxY+ZL/fp172YKHRs7fPAwaJcsKLE3NJgPC2zrI0JS0IMFFCe8/ZiO6Qj8b98gq0xmNS/+isoZHuY5Agl1PFj6bQ9CBZIMT7JASsUD17XcPRk/oFLoHzoE1+/j+ga5AY/ug6WHg+iWguCd4zHZibRkmcw= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6N2wq2RoH/gDBOPpirrTi99zCdfrT0jm4eXHuF2moEXsjs7h0q4SASwY0nINQ4stb/uug4vcfa+LtOABkK/n3/KAChEr/rxqmNduhCZUOi2tRwbtFWtnQnZdBoIfbW+r8Gwz7oiQjwlvu/Twfr0TmciyRgC1nKaDNTbDsiHmam0=; X-YMail-OSG: SA98aN4VM1kvp3V0WiGdgNixITXaCN.JVOO0uG9EHHzCKGn dQOVcTJ_y.bwLHo9hZWinxkiOYoHTcp7aNREvBO66qkCoDG.l.Xu0rXQlsGH WxYNTzodhGY6FWG6LaqyjkpH6NLCVH4YBAk1Eu_gxzVwh9DrYbUZ0T5typ_X 5NDYjMk6avjBI12yw7AkZ66ymhubWA3EGWjAdjgcFRW5Yucl8830oLncNGoV 4Ws1WR3fC0L62VWZWLA9m2aOlIMMHQA8U00R2FnkJvbJROzm.rosyTVFpOIX 8i12iuEsc4isFfodgWPD_5W2WbiDGpO8sR4Z16UvV729GhKnpdDVSudy4UAT ISBZAauL.EFbtOPsHnP9vhkjkX_0VJhk_IjGgElEUJUsCU11GjUUsyRvlauJ ieslhgfXyWw7boJ_mBB3vw1LorUaPQclzHxQe_iP2fD0pNr8KQtzOVBJnb3v e6iad7mSw2tfmRnmAh7Ai.BTdE.gJ2pOZ7ATC9FR7OTe6fypE4PML08n..NC ec9ev9dAKGFa4GigbxqnZco2IC9DfqkJ5._w6rhsDN9ChTwaE5JKHj1JEqU7 S2rsBm5sF07WrPBVoTy9AO8_S1VkwUxnbzIE13QEjHzg5Ngw_EazURVnxGwB L75xaMMcMa1pg9fWkBfWkgotAZikhFQ-- X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,d2lzaCBJIGhhZCB0aGUgYnJlYWQuLi4KCgoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCiBEZcKgOiBNYXN0ZXJNdXNvIDxtYXN0ZXJtdXNvQGdtYWlsLmNvbT4Kw4DCoDogTG9vcGVycy1EZWxpZ2h0QGxvb3BlcnMtZGVsaWdodC5jb20gCkVudm95w6kgbGUgOiBKZXVkaSAxIGFvw7t0IDIwMTMgMTdoMTMKT2JqZXTCoDogRXZlbnRpZGUgSFc4MDAwIEZvciBTYWxlIC0gQmVybGluCiAKCgpSZWx1Y3RhbnQgc2FsZSBvZiB0aGlzIHVucGFyYWxsZWxlZCByYWNrbW91bnQgZWZmZWN0cyBwcm9jZXMBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.151.566 References: Message-ID: <1375379043.98238.YahooMailNeo@web171706.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 18:44:03 +0100 (BST) From: Antony Hequet Reply-To: Antony Hequet Subject: Re: Eventide HW8000 For Sale - Berlin To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1708739093-1801501684-1375379043=:98238" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 17:40:46 +0000 (UTC) --1708739093-1801501684-1375379043=:98238 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wish I had the bread...=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A D= e=C2=A0: MasterMuso =0A=C3=80=C2=A0: Loopers-Delight@= loopers-delight.com =0AEnvoy=C3=A9 le : Jeudi 1 ao=C3=BBt 2013 17h13=0AObje= t=C2=A0: Eventide HW8000 For Sale - Berlin=0A =0A=0A=0AReluctant sale of th= is unparalleled rackmount effects processor, Eventide's flagship.=0AFor tho= se of you who know it and have had the pleasure of using it, no further exp= lanation required.=0AFor those of you who aren't familiar with it, please s= ee the HW8000 product page from Eventide here:=0A=0Ahttp://www.eventide.com= /AudioDivision/Products/Harmonizer%20Effects%20Processors/H8000FW.aspx =0A= =0AI bought this unit new from ProAudio Europe in London, and it's in absol= utely mint condition.=0AStudio use only, and very little of that.=0A=0AComp= lete documentation included.=0A=0A=0AI just don't have sufficient need for = it these days, and can't justify having the money tied up.=0A=0AThomann adv= ertizing these currently for =E2=82=AC5,299, new. I'm asking =E2=82=AC3,750= ovno.=0A=0A=0ALet me know of any interest.=0A=0AI'm based in Berlin.=0A=0A= Thanks.=0A=0ALee --1708739093-1801501684-1375379043=:98238 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
wish I ha= d the bread...



De : MasterMuso <mastermuso@gmail.com>
=C3=80 : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
= Envoy=C3=A9 le : Jeudi 1 a= o=C3=BBt 2013 17h13
Objet :<= /span> Eventide HW8000 For Sale - Berlin

R= eluctant sale of this unparalleled rackmount effects processor, Eventide's = flagship.
For those of you who know it and have had the pleasure of usin= g it, no further explanation required.
=0AFor those of you who aren't fa= miliar with it, please see the HW8000 product page from Eventide here:
<= br>http:/= /www.eventide.com/AudioDivision/Products/Harmonizer%20Effects%20Processors/= H8000FW.aspx
=0A
I bought this unit new from ProAudio Euro= pe in London, and it's in absolutely mint condition.
Studio use on= ly, and very little of that.
Complete documentation included.=

=0AI just don't have sufficient need for it these days, = and can't justify having the money tied up.

Thomann= advertizing these currently for =E2=82=AC5,299, new. I'm asking =E2=82=AC3= ,750 ovno.

=0ALet me know of any interest.

I'm ba= sed in Berlin.

Thanks.

Lee
=0A


--1708739093-1801501684-1375379043=:98238-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 4 03:26:18 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0AB4183561; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 03:26:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:subject:message-id:date:to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=cLq0bz+xy/NmWsYS75uhApPjF1sKYO+SFSDBYAYeHSQ=; b=jUhsy3Mi/4iC7XInnwey1dyGPlJeR58wBGCgiOVWIR1nvxLuR1P30GMW6PMCefCJlC 2O+11BFbSMSrC5IT36ttNw6XQi5TqLrJ5GbA6zxs+RLJDxDGWC1HPS51ToMVTUbTN7d9 W5S9CxBQeFdfs7JVeXbh6DJ3eH+ovkVZDmZHy7PpaatTq8DnsMkoLl43He1Cn/EzQ+Kp KHniD1UJoTOK9yTXS2zhXuNrZ+VdtOgAnGeFnQdJsydFkyJzpdVk/NrQp+cF1u/H89m/ YUUvgNxUK38Qd7Nq/Eaye3OQzl5sxYGQk3faIg4SnYhwYH2wkdYdwOujIA+u6usqcMCT BxCA== X-Received: by 10.66.224.237 with SMTP id rf13mr18461078pac.26.1375586963662; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 20:29:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Durbrow Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_64F4E2C0-A6A5-4606-A1C3-95941E9AC7EF" Subject: live voice looping and beyond Message-Id: <6C05F4C4-B7F9-4B2E-875D-3ACD7C3A00AA@sea.plala.or.jp> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 12:29:18 +0900 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 03:26:17 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_64F4E2C0-A6A5-4606-A1C3-95941E9AC7EF Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.ted.com/talks/beardyman_the_polyphonic_me.html Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ --Apple-Mail=_64F4E2C0-A6A5-4606-A1C3-95941E9AC7EF Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii http://www.ted.com/talks/beardyman_the_polyphonic_me.html

Ed Durbrow
Saitama, Japan
http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch
https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow
http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/




--Apple-Mail=_64F4E2C0-A6A5-4606-A1C3-95941E9AC7EF-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 4 11:27:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA5CE18355F; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 11:27:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 573 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at arsenic; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 11:27:02 UTC From: Tristan Zand Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E1E5BE3F-E833-4801-9CCA-CC99B4668340" Message-Id: <193D6C21-AE78-458A-95B5-8D18C713429B@zzz.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) Subject: Re: live voice looping and beyond Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 13:20:31 +0200 References: <6C05F4C4-B7F9-4B2E-875D-3ACD7C3A00AA@sea.plala.or.jp> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6C05F4C4-B7F9-4B2E-875D-3ACD7C3A00AA@sea.plala.or.jp> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 11:27:02 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_E1E5BE3F-E833-4801-9CCA-CC99B4668340 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 marketing, marketing, marketing, ... "...has developed a real-time music-production system that places live = looping at the center of a new musical paradigm." he's talented for sure, but the marketing and ego machine is taking its = toll... ;) On 4 ao=FBt 2013, at 05:29, Ed Durbrow wrote: > http://www.ted.com/talks/beardyman_the_polyphonic_me.html >=20 > Ed Durbrow > Saitama, Japan > http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=3Dwatch > https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow > http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_E1E5BE3F-E833-4801-9CCA-CC99B4668340 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 has developed a real-time = music-production system that places live looping at the center of a new = musical paradigm."
he's talented for = sure, but the marketing and ego machine is taking its = toll...
;)

On 4 ao=FBt 2013, at 05:29, Ed Durbrow <edurbrow@gmail.com> = wrote:



= --Apple-Mail=_E1E5BE3F-E833-4801-9CCA-CC99B4668340-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 4 18:58:05 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A678D18355C; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 18:58:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Cln94NibkVFlKsTD77qhmafTgehecycQUMiPc3UrXKM=; b=G/00zX5+01dIhlwroG0G5tCV+TkS+jyBRlJf5AI9mCxHO5llwRMSj/S0Z0RQsywTMh RaS9zI/pzjAUOJX5nbIk4dy0MFY4jIjDxUcjgAgJIBAiiIA9BrRUIDg0MbVo6M+xVYSo 4IJIYV1D6Ow0OvRMxO5Qjtr+ULoo7QC6/82XlRHmdI/KRToqByc2QTJqh2l0KulPtlqa +YVklU6gMKVIDn06HEQreyfrjXhRpidyc1Bni/TkZxK9iR1JCRkp7ZmYP+51N086krGS hskoKAYcdssRsoKFYzUzyfLqRY4NtYVxl+3rFD2TDdDCrQKn9CVNxquCjlzWpW7E17eu R1kg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.117.38 with SMTP id kb6mr751691igb.57.1375642867015; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 12:01:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <193D6C21-AE78-458A-95B5-8D18C713429B@zzz.ch> References: <6C05F4C4-B7F9-4B2E-875D-3ACD7C3A00AA@sea.plala.or.jp> <193D6C21-AE78-458A-95B5-8D18C713429B@zzz.ch> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 12:01:06 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: live voice looping and beyond From: Todd Elliott To: "loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e011836786d2acd04e323d04c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 18:58:05 +0000 (UTC) --089e011836786d2acd04e323d04c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I want to like this more than I actually do- I'm familiar with some of the tools he uses, and at some point it's fairly disingenuous to say 'it's all my voice'. It might start that way, but using something akin to granular synthesis effectively means it's the software doing the work, not your voice. At last year's SC Looping festival, I saw someone use a simple Loop station to make music with just her voice; with only a few layers, and it was always recognizable as 'her voice'-- a much more effective demonstration of 'what's possible with the voice'. I'm no purist-- I think whatever tools you use to make music are the right tools, provided what you do moves someone (and since this was a demo, there wasn't a lot of that going on); I just think this cat isn't particularly honest about what he does. T On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 4:20 AM, Tristan Zand wrote: > marketing, marketing, marketing, ... > "...has developed a real-time music-production system that places live > looping at the center of a new musical paradigm." > he's talented for sure, but the marketing and ego machine is taking its > toll... > ;) > > On 4 ao=FBt 2013, at 05:29, Ed Durbrow wrote: > > http://www.ted.com/talks/beardyman_the_polyphonic_me.html > > Ed Durbrow > Saitama, Japan > http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=3Dwatch > https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow > http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ > > > > > > --=20 http://toaster.bandcamp.com --089e011836786d2acd04e323d04c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I want to like this more than I actually do- I'm famil= iar with some of the tools he uses, and at some point it's fairly disin= genuous to say 'it's all my voice'. It might start that way, bu= t using something akin to granular synthesis effectively means it's the= software doing the work, not your voice. At last year's SC Looping fes= tival, I saw someone use a simple Loop station to make music with just her = voice; with only a few layers, and it was always recognizable as 'her v= oice'-- a much more effective demonstration of 'what's possible= with the voice'.=A0

I'm no purist-- I think whatever tools you use to = make music are the right tools, provided what you do moves someone (and sin= ce this was a demo, there wasn't a lot of that going on); I just think = this cat isn't particularly honest about what he does.=A0

T

On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 4:20 AM, Tristan Zan= d <zzz= @zzz.ch> wrote:
marketin= g, marketing, marketing, ...
"...has developed a real-t= ime music-production system that places live looping at the center of a new= musical paradigm."
he's talented for sure, but the marketing and ego machine is takin= g its toll...
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--089e011836786d2acd04e323d04c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 4 19:23:06 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25EC418355C; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:23:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=xz1GkqZPaA23yJO1WYN4U4FzOvURtheQgwgTijhnGL4=; b=j7GhoaWWbQdmK6zpH/IsO/zpBaAi4Z4xIX8AbkZx464X4rYfoXgaL1kWmFNobq1q9P QDFyx0SfUn3d7PAzNPxZ/RYsOlQWYF+P5vGiWYtEPqcLN/JiANgOSO9hKXz+RfhZg+X+ O4XaT5yZrv+i8pY648uXF9Dm26v0sO6XnbH1qX8Xeujvf5r1dLaiuutLAvDHlgwpmJmv d0JkXWnLL86phDPh7uoizwGGnzmrFSmuL+wqRJYjrdCompIJJht0+GyK544A4/1nc5AR 2H5kXJ4n9YO+e38CGmAoI1T4RIQjCV5BaBbUHWGuFXdzn4Jaco5/FyeD+sZcmXqkmob3 ZnYg== X-Received: by 10.60.173.235 with SMTP id bn11mr11875521oec.43.1375644368788; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 12:26:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <193D6C21-AE78-458A-95B5-8D18C713429B@zzz.ch> References: <6C05F4C4-B7F9-4B2E-875D-3ACD7C3A00AA@sea.plala.or.jp> <193D6C21-AE78-458A-95B5-8D18C713429B@zzz.ch> From: Mr Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 16:25:48 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: live voice looping and beyond To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0116112ef0606f04e324292f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:23:06 +0000 (UTC) --089e0116112ef0606f04e324292f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Many go through this experience, we create a vocoder, another vocoder, use filters, loopers, Max Msp discover, dream up hitting low level unsolvable problems, we find Mobius, scripting, struggle with sync and latency, while the wonderful world fft is bringing amazing results. What does not happen is the "cognitive distortion", the ego trip, and marketing .. : ) 2013/8/4 Tristan Zand > marketing, marketing, marketing, ... > "...has developed a real-time music-production system that places live > looping at the center of a new musical paradigm." > he's talented for sure, but the marketing and ego machine is taking its > toll... > ;) > > On 4 ao=FBt 2013, at 05:29, Ed Durbrow wrote: > > http://www.ted.com/talks/beardyman_the_polyphonic_me.html > > Ed Durbrow > Saitama, Japan > http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=3Dwatch > https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow > http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ > > > > > > --089e0116112ef0606f04e324292f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Many go through this experience, we create a vocoder,= another vocoder, use filters, loopers, Max Msp discover, dream up hitting = low level unsolvable problems, we find Mobius, scripting, struggle with syn= c and latency, while the wonderful world fft is bringing amazing results.
What does not happen is the "cognitive distortion", the ego = trip, and marketing ..

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2013/8/4 Tristan Zand <= span dir=3D"ltr"><zzz@zz= z.ch>
marketin= g, marketing, marketing, ...
"...has developed a real-t= ime music-production system that places live looping at the center of a new= musical paradigm."
he's talented for sure, but the marketing and ego machine is takin= g its toll...
;)

--089e0116112ef0606f04e324292f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 4 19:28:53 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65A4918355B; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:28:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=yji46POEhVLSD4vZM/ObtAemQWMtXkbpyYcg1HGz4Q0=; b=M6MNx+OM3bQJVOOwq+9o1lCB+3NQ8TrO3cELeC0wBFcZCoioiFQVogMyDx4+uy+JTQ 2gxMCx6OC5St2OE+1Lzvno7NyzOik7qf0EKdUDKR39DKBN+kSzzwk4EppKl/R5VYk6LI vdJewEo+gfK0CjkpVJr7n7ZQ05qwsN6QnSxW37gsUpFSqMYO/l4zCL46fh0Q/ivqLbCf Bg2/ZISin5uaUr5H/7Z21FbMsvh+8QOAjE67yV6EuP/gmg9U+wbQ4wGX/dGhuwoaseJT Ux9SHwL4mkkutCWBnp6F5Jku3o5kbdl6ZvdU9qmmF42O95/EogGkNWszcGN+NvoBFwe9 nEmA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.49.60.169 with SMTP id i9mr21708670qer.93.1375644716315; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 12:31:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6C05F4C4-B7F9-4B2E-875D-3ACD7C3A00AA@sea.plala.or.jp> <193D6C21-AE78-458A-95B5-8D18C713429B@zzz.ch> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 12:31:56 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: live voice looping and beyond From: Phil Clevenger To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b677798a7568104e3243ea8 Resent-Message-ID: <61lK8C.A.4dE.1tq_RB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:28:53 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b677798a7568104e3243ea8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was really blown away by his opening riff - sans technology altogether - much more moving, for me, than the rest of his admittedly skillful presentation. On Sunday, August 4, 2013, Todd Elliott wrote: > I want to like this more than I actually do- I'm familiar with some of th= e > tools he uses, and at some point it's fairly disingenuous to say 'it's al= l > my voice'. It might start that way, but using something akin to granular > synthesis effectively means it's the software doing the work, not your > voice. At last year's SC Looping festival, I saw someone use a simple Loo= p > station to make music with just her voice; with only a few layers, and it > was always recognizable as 'her voice'-- a much more effective > demonstration of 'what's possible with the voice'. > > I'm no purist-- I think whatever tools you use to make music are the righ= t > tools, provided what you do moves someone (and since this was a demo, the= re > wasn't a lot of that going on); I just think this cat isn't particularly > honest about what he does. > > T > > > On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 4:20 AM, Tristan Zand > > wrote: > >> marketing, marketing, marketing, ... >> "...has developed a real-time music-production system that places live >> looping at the center of a new musical paradigm." >> he's talented for sure, but the marketing and ego machine is taking its >> toll... >> ;) >> >> On 4 ao=FBt 2013, at 05:29, Ed Durbrow > >> wrote: >> >> http://www.ted.com/talks/beardyman_the_polyphonic_me.html >> >> Ed Durbrow >> Saitama, Japan >> http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=3Dwatch >> https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow >> http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > http://toaster.bandcamp.com > --047d7b677798a7568104e3243ea8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was really=A0blown away by his opening riff - sans technology altogether = - much more moving, for me,=A0than the=A0rest of=A0his admitte= dly skillful presentation.=A0

On Sunday, August 4, 2013, Todd Elliot= t wrote:
I want to like this more th= an I actually do- I'm familiar with some of the tools he uses, and at s= ome point it's fairly disingenuous to say 'it's all my voice= 9;. It might start that way, but using something akin to granular synthesis= effectively means it's the software doing the work, not your voice. At= last year's SC Looping festival, I saw someone use a simple Loop stati= on to make music with just her voice; with only a few layers, and it was al= ways recognizable as 'her voice'-- a much more effective demonstrat= ion of 'what's possible with the voice'.=A0

I'm no purist-- I think whatever tools you use to make m= usic are the right tools, provided what you do moves someone (and since thi= s was a demo, there wasn't a lot of that going on); I just think this c= at isn't particularly honest about what he does.=A0

T


On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 4:20 AM, Tristan Zand <zzz@zzz.ch> wrote:
marketin= g, marketing, marketing, ...
"...has developed a real-t= ime music-production system that places live looping at the center of a new= musical paradigm."
he's talented for sure, but the marketing and ego machine is takin= g its toll...
;)



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http://toaster.bandcamp.com --047d7b677798a7568104e3243ea8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 4 21:27:53 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E02D618355C; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 21:27:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=hWiGPes+2uZpV5HcE0mC0meEXzUBccShfbDiq8JzXhU=; b=vjKanYjPprEQzmiecduQCba7hrhQtX3gbABiLJB/REFSXi7o64g1a/QLUCcuskyTXK RMbN9H5BH/4NPGmUuIGzlKvR+0SaGXaczJSvoPGUYC4ZCxnpDFVwsw3f5N8ac9GvZTtg rbK+3vlSNcY3E+w82kyb+J9AznmKSjyx1WQNa+dmTnVbVg+sClEAU2EyP3+UY9J148CV RN5AF6u0olStzz2TxsOvCDIv4mxmPsBgqGXKBRr6P6gM3WDrw4cGPji2BcP45YlTcKzQ GYkFOtG6E7Q0hZqBlNod9JNdwI2Gk+067IrG9EARPElcYw/Kv8SeDqttqYzUViZlsH/Y XoiA== X-Received: by 10.66.175.133 with SMTP id ca5mr21992446pac.40.1375651854442; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 14:30:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <6C05F4C4-B7F9-4B2E-875D-3ACD7C3A00AA@sea.plala.or.jp> <193D6C21-AE78-458A-95B5-8D18C713429B@zzz.ch> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 23:30:34 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: A5k6V74QERSh_LHPdIQ6xgRF684 Message-ID: Subject: Re: live voice looping and beyond To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bdca3fe1e671f04e325e843 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 21:27:52 +0000 (UTC) --047d7bdca3fe1e671f04e325e843 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Its funny how when an artist gets a modicum of success, suddenly everyone starts dissing them, saying "oh hes just cheating with his fancy gear, and look at all the hype and marketing he does". Beardyman has been around for YEARS, YEARS I tell ya! and he started by winning some pure beat-boxing competitions and performing on the street during Edinburgh fringe. He was funny and extremely talented. He has worked and worked and worked at what he does in the pubs around England. I dint take much interest as I hate beat boxing. But im a gear-head and a looper, so when I saw him do some amazing things with a couple of kaos pads, I started to like what he did. That he "does things to he voice that make it sound like something else" is just GREAT by me, Christ!!! Isnt that why we are on this list cos we LIKE effects and looping, Aint looping just a teeny tiny bit like cheating too huh? As for the marketing, Well I can assure you.. (Ive been there) that when music becomes your career you need people! Them people get you in magazines, put you on the telly, and get you to say that this soap washes whiter or that these drum stick are the coolest. And ok, Its a bit lame... but thats marketing, and the reason we, as good honest and un-corruptable musos have managed to keep ourselves from this despicable and evil practice, is because... we make weird shit music that no-one wants to listen to. The second we sell more than 1000 records, I promise you wed all be doing the same. Now Beardyman, does he even MAKE records? What can he sell? Surely he just a live guy? Tell me if Im wrong. I certainly wouldnt buy a record of his, who needs a beat box version of gabba techno mixed with country western in a song about a snail? (Hmm well on the other hand) Anyway. Beardyman rocks! Mark --047d7bdca3fe1e671f04e325e843 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Its funny how = when an artist gets a modicum of success, suddenly everyone starts dissing = them, saying "oh hes just cheating with his fancy gear, and look at al= l the hype and marketing he does".

Beardyman has been around for YEARS, YEARS I tell ya! and he= started by winning some pure beat-boxing competitions and performing on th= e street during Edinburgh fringe. He was funny and extremely talented. He h= as worked and worked and worked at what he does in the pubs around England.=
I dint take much interest as I hate beat boxing. But im a gear-head and a l= ooper, so when I saw him do some amazing things with a couple of kaos pads,= I started to like what he did. That he "does things to he voice that = make it sound like something else" is just GREAT by me, Christ!!! Isnt= that why we are on this list cos we LIKE effects and looping, Aint looping= just a teeny tiny bit like cheating too huh?=A0
As for the marketing, Well I can assure you.. (Ive been there) that when mu= sic becomes your career you need people! Them people get you in magazines, = put you on the telly, and get you to say that this soap washes whiter or th= at these drum stick are the coolest. And ok, Its a bit lame... but thats ma= rketing, and the reason we, as good honest and un-corruptable musos have ma= naged to keep ourselves from this despicable and evil practice, is because.= .. we make weird shit music that no-one wants to listen to.
The second we sell more than 1000 records, I promise you wed all be do= ing the same. Now Beardyman, does he even MAKE records? What can he sell? S= urely he just a live guy? Tell me if Im wrong. I certainly wouldnt buy a re= cord of his, who needs a beat box version of gabba techno mixed with countr= y western in a song about a snail? (Hmm well on the other hand)

Anyway. Beardyman rocks!

Mark
--047d7bdca3fe1e671f04e325e843-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 4 21:32:40 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5794D18355F; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 21:32:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: live voice looping and beyond References: <6C05F4C4-B7F9-4B2E-875D-3ACD7C3A00AA@sea.plala.or.jp> <193D6C21-AE78-458A-95B5-8D18C713429B@zzz.ch> From: Z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B350) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 23:35:40 +0200 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: <511wOD.A.xqF.3hs_RB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 21:32:40 +0000 (UTC) Let's say it all comes down to expectations, success, life, art and how you m= anage to make them all work together. ;) Le 4 ao=C3=BBt 2013 =C3=A0 23:30, mark francombe a =C3= =A9crit : > Its funny how when an artist gets a modicum of success, suddenly everyone s= tarts dissing them, saying "oh hes just cheating with his fancy gear, and lo= ok at all the hype and marketing he does". >=20 > Beardyman has been around for YEARS, YEARS I tell ya! and he started by wi= nning some pure beat-boxing competitions and performing on the street during= Edinburgh fringe. He was funny and extremely talented. He has worked and wo= rked and worked at what he does in the pubs around England. > I dint take much interest as I hate beat boxing. But im a gear-head and a l= ooper, so when I saw him do some amazing things with a couple of kaos pads, I= started to like what he did. That he "does things to he voice that make it s= ound like something else" is just GREAT by me, Christ!!! Isnt that why we ar= e on this list cos we LIKE effects and looping, Aint looping just a teeny ti= ny bit like cheating too huh?=20 > As for the marketing, Well I can assure you.. (Ive been there) that when m= usic becomes your career you need people! Them people get you in magazines, p= ut you on the telly, and get you to say that this soap washes whiter or that= these drum stick are the coolest. And ok, Its a bit lame... but thats marke= ting, and the reason we, as good honest and un-corruptable musos have manage= d to keep ourselves from this despicable and evil practice, is because... we= make weird shit music that no-one wants to listen to. > The second we sell more than 1000 records, I promise you wed all be doing t= he same. Now Beardyman, does he even MAKE records? What can he sell? Surely h= e just a live guy? Tell me if Im wrong. I certainly wouldnt buy a record of h= is, who needs a beat box version of gabba techno mixed with country western i= n a song about a snail? (Hmm well on the other hand) >=20 > Anyway. Beardyman rocks! >=20 > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 4 23:42:27 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFAB318355C; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 23:42:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ZPzGZSnZJXH7g6sHhtDZvwT5Ya54UUrRCtHDFVWHg6w=; b=DX1wxD/LaDjYs+AElZHzrlnY/BXdPNETEKJ1OZUR6yuDQsp6bQKXLWpXfIx1sDXoGk foHf2hNM2+myLaR3uMJm1UUSMxNHYKmShDlnFaH2NimOe8+10fUBMsIRW8vCMW8bHAIb lNMrXqlNtrlCfsgoj9ytDjU07UJeZ8se8j/jk2e/z9fvIv+OR7ZHj6ff8o5cL4F0P7Wq 3/diq1H/WPrSCjruHi0jo2WnljlxOwZW3X70U4iIrsfYCgR6GftVV4mofSiSt+6gvMGU EekXJg8sJ4ftprNFrN1x4HKwa3r0cJvAa6CVplC+RMlRoshJAvHTjMNPqCuG/YALiNil Z2fw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.43.91.10 with SMTP id bk10mr1438770icc.86.1375659929386; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 16:45:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6C05F4C4-B7F9-4B2E-875D-3ACD7C3A00AA@sea.plala.or.jp> <193D6C21-AE78-458A-95B5-8D18C713429B@zzz.ch> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 16:45:29 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: live voice looping and beyond From: Todd Elliott To: "loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec5196b456c471904e327c9bb Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 23:42:27 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec5196b456c471904e327c9bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I've never heard of him. That doesn't make him a failure, but this was literally my introduction to him. As I said, I don't really care about what tools someone uses-- but his talk seemed a little 'this is what I do with my voice' when in fact it's 'this is what I do with this software augmenting my voice'. It's a matter of setting expectations. He has released an album, which is apparently called "I Done A Album". I'm not a big fan of comedy/music hybrids, but the couple of tracks I listened to seemed fine. On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 2:30 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Its funny how when an artist gets a modicum of success, suddenly everyone > starts dissing them, saying "oh hes just cheating with his fancy gear, and > look at all the hype and marketing he does". > > Beardyman has been around for YEARS, YEARS I tell ya! and he started by > winning some pure beat-boxing competitions and performing on the street > during Edinburgh fringe. He was funny and extremely talented. He has worked > and worked and worked at what he does in the pubs around England. > I dint take much interest as I hate beat boxing. But im a gear-head and a > looper, so when I saw him do some amazing things with a couple of kaos > pads, I started to like what he did. That he "does things to he voice that > make it sound like something else" is just GREAT by me, Christ!!! Isnt that > why we are on this list cos we LIKE effects and looping, Aint looping just > a teeny tiny bit like cheating too huh? > As for the marketing, Well I can assure you.. (Ive been there) that when > music becomes your career you need people! Them people get you in > magazines, put you on the telly, and get you to say that this soap washes > whiter or that these drum stick are the coolest. And ok, Its a bit lame... > but thats marketing, and the reason we, as good honest and un-corruptable > musos have managed to keep ourselves from this despicable and evil > practice, is because... we make weird shit music that no-one wants to > listen to. > The second we sell more than 1000 records, I promise you wed all be doing > the same. Now Beardyman, does he even MAKE records? What can he sell? > Surely he just a live guy? Tell me if Im wrong. I certainly wouldnt buy a > record of his, who needs a beat box version of gabba techno mixed with > country western in a song about a snail? (Hmm well on the other hand) > > Anyway. Beardyman rocks! > > Mark > -- http://toaster.bandcamp.com --bcaec5196b456c471904e327c9bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've never heard of him. That doesn't make him a f= ailure, but this was literally my introduction to him. As I said, I don'= ;t really care about what tools someone uses-- but his talk seemed a little= 'this is what I do with my voice' when in fact it's 'this = is what I do with this software augmenting my voice'. It's a matter= of setting expectations.=A0

He has released an album, which is apparently called &= quot;I Done A Album". I'm not a big fan of comedy/music hybrids, b= ut the couple of tracks I listened to seemed fine.=A0


On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 2:30 PM, mark fra= ncombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
Its funny how = when an artist gets a modicum of success, suddenly everyone starts dissing = them, saying "oh hes just cheating with his fancy gear, and look at al= l the hype and marketing he does".

Beardyman has been around for YEARS, YEARS I tell ya! and he= started by winning some pure beat-boxing competitions and performing on th= e street during Edinburgh fringe. He was funny and extremely talented. He h= as worked and worked and worked at what he does in the pubs around England.=
I dint take much interest as I hate beat boxing. But im a gear-head and a l= ooper, so when I saw him do some amazing things with a couple of kaos pads,= I started to like what he did. That he "does things to he voice that = make it sound like something else" is just GREAT by me, Christ!!! Isnt= that why we are on this list cos we LIKE effects and looping, Aint looping= just a teeny tiny bit like cheating too huh?=A0
As for the marketing, Well I can assure you.. (Ive been there) that when mu= sic becomes your career you need people! Them people get you in magazines, = put you on the telly, and get you to say that this soap washes whiter or th= at these drum stick are the coolest. And ok, Its a bit lame... but thats ma= rketing, and the reason we, as good honest and un-corruptable musos have ma= naged to keep ourselves from this despicable and evil practice, is because.= .. we make weird shit music that no-one wants to listen to.
The second we sell more than 1000 records, I promise you wed all be do= ing the same. Now Beardyman, does he even MAKE records? What can he sell? S= urely he just a live guy? Tell me if Im wrong. I certainly wouldnt buy a re= cord of his, who needs a beat box version of gabba techno mixed with countr= y western in a song about a snail? (Hmm well on the other hand)

Anyway. Beardyman rocks!

Mark



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--bcaec5196b456c471904e327c9bb-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 5 05:53:21 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFED3183559; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 05:53:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=jn2hdY2jeNbw092VQgDy4HsoU1fOOR1KLNCPS3Tc/BE=; b=YlnbAxn8WTYEdl8PAjsMfPiOYtLc6Uii7UP9LjgQnM3s/vzwjh/LyjY3ZTIkhanP6v 0RYNbR4lOqIpS1LZGQZhDvnKszWUcQPayo4AR8MSujqMcZkPSe9K0F5YFj0NS+0JaM34 cva712Le+5gGJdHIhs3LQoE2JNuU1iVyM/PAasKDt7fRMzuBZiLfm2xXzkwKdtZQbgQx r7sLGVRuGjzlPG25qzjTngcKSi50cV3qKJcGmfXL5ZJgomw3NGvHY1GRwolfaNYkeH3s bhDcucL56r8CeIgQ3qkSkVXj5wCmccJmZhZoqSUMVbhCM7pp+2CGfJ31XJuUMyNyqTtJ r82Q== X-Received: by 10.68.196.167 with SMTP id in7mr20223100pbc.127.1375682181826; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 22:56:21 -0700 (PDT) References: <6C05F4C4-B7F9-4B2E-875D-3ACD7C3A00AA@sea.plala.or.jp> <193D6C21-AE78-458A-95B5-8D18C713429B@zzz.ch> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 07:56:13 +0200 Message-ID: <-4661332452746990471@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: live voice looping and beyond To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1c52cc590d004e32cf75f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 05:53:21 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8ff1c52cc590d004e32cf75f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have to say that i agree that this was not his best show musically, and when he said " so whats The point"... well The point is NOT that he can make any Sound hes thinking of, but IS that " this is what he does"... its his show.. people shout out genres or bands and he " does them" But check around for other stuff, hes very good, if you like that sort of thing. Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 5 Aug 2013, at 01:45, Todd Elliott wrote: I've never heard of him. That doesn't make him a failure, but this was literally my introduction to him. As I said, I don't really care about what tools someone uses-- but his talk seemed a little 'this is what I do with my voice' when in fact it's 'this is what I do with this software augmenting my voice'. It's a matter of setting expectations. He has released an album, which is apparently called "I Done A Album". I'm not a big fan of comedy/music hybrids, but the couple of tracks I listened to seemed fine. On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 2:30 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Its funny how when an artist gets a modicum of success, suddenly everyone > starts dissing them, saying "oh hes just cheating with his fancy gear, and > look at all the hype and marketing he does". > > Beardyman has been around for YEARS, YEARS I tell ya! and he started by > winning some pure beat-boxing competitions and performing on the street > during Edinburgh fringe. He was funny and extremely talented. He has worked > and worked and worked at what he does in the pubs around England. > I dint take much interest as I hate beat boxing. But im a gear-head and a > looper, so when I saw him do some amazing things with a couple of kaos > pads, I started to like what he did. That he "does things to he voice that > make it sound like something else" is just GREAT by me, Christ!!! Isnt that > why we are on this list cos we LIKE effects and looping, Aint looping just > a teeny tiny bit like cheating too huh? > As for the marketing, Well I can assure you.. (Ive been there) that when > music becomes your career you need people! Them people get you in > magazines, put you on the telly, and get you to say that this soap washes > whiter or that these drum stick are the coolest. And ok, Its a bit lame... > but thats marketing, and the reason we, as good honest and un-corruptable > musos have managed to keep ourselves from this despicable and evil > practice, is because... we make weird shit music that no-one wants to > listen to. > The second we sell more than 1000 records, I promise you wed all be doing > the same. Now Beardyman, does he even MAKE records? What can he sell? > Surely he just a live guy? Tell me if Im wrong. I certainly wouldnt buy a > record of his, who needs a beat box version of gabba techno mixed with > country western in a song about a snail? (Hmm well on the other hand) > > Anyway. Beardyman rocks! > > Mark > -- http://toaster.bandcamp.com --e89a8ff1c52cc590d004e32cf75f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have to say that i agree that th= is was not his best show musically, and when he said " so whats The po= int"... well The point is NOT that he can make any Sound hes thinking = of, but IS that " this is what he does"... its his show.. people = shout out genres or bands and he " does them"

But check around for other stuff, hes very good, if you= like that sort of thing.

Sent from my (advertisement removed)
=
I've never he= ard of him. That doesn't make him a failure, but this was literally my = introduction to him. As I said, I don't really care about what tools so= meone uses-- but his talk seemed a little 'this is what I do with my vo= ice' when in fact it's 'this is what I do with this software au= gmenting my voice'. It's a matter of setting expectations.=A0

He has released an album, which is apparently called &= quot;I Done A Album". I'm not a big fan of comedy/music hybrids, b= ut the couple of tracks I listened to seemed fine.=A0


On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 2:30 PM, mark fra= ncombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
Its funny how = when an artist gets a modicum of success, suddenly everyone starts dissing = them, saying "oh hes just cheating with his fancy gear, and look at al= l the hype and marketing he does".

Beardyman has been around for YEARS, YEARS I tell ya! and he= started by winning some pure beat-boxing competitions and performing on th= e street during Edinburgh fringe. He was funny and extremely talented. He h= as worked and worked and worked at what he does in the pubs around England.=
I dint take much interest as I hate beat boxing. But im a gear-head and a l= ooper, so when I saw him do some amazing things with a couple of kaos pads,= I started to like what he did. That he "does things to he voice that = make it sound like something else" is just GREAT by me, Christ!!! Isnt= that why we are on this list cos we LIKE effects and looping, Aint looping= just a teeny tiny bit like cheating too huh?=A0
As for the marketing, Well I can assure you.. (Ive been there) that when mu= sic becomes your career you need people! Them people get you in magazines, = put you on the telly, and get you to say that this soap washes whiter or th= at these drum stick are the coolest. And ok, Its a bit lame... but thats ma= rketing, and the reason we, as good honest and un-corruptable musos have ma= naged to keep ourselves from this despicable and evil practice, is because.= .. we make weird shit music that no-one wants to listen to.
The second we sell more than 1000 records, I promise you wed all be do= ing the same. Now Beardyman, does he even MAKE records? What can he sell? S= urely he just a live guy? Tell me if Im wrong. I certainly wouldnt buy a re= cord of his, who needs a beat box version of gabba techno mixed with countr= y western in a song about a snail? (Hmm well on the other hand)

Anyway. Beardyman rocks!

Mark



--
http://toaster.bandcamp.com
--e89a8ff1c52cc590d004e32cf75f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 7 00:18:00 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B7B818355A; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 00:17:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 487 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at arsenic; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 00:17:59 UTC Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0088689961==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20130807001243.18346.89394.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 20:12:44 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: possible fall of this list to a Facebook group, oh no! DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20121106; t=1375834364; bh=bOgBs+zcQVZokJLs+f2ShU+eDCA52b8l2bZUl+RVvp0=; h=Received:Received:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-Id:Reply-to: From:Date:To:Subject; b=odt8nR2mUf/RBKNjBr26UBtHUaG5+fmi4tCpzuPK6sM31SXt573e2GRZIFVV2EQda IWYGLHTkpB24wynJa1GlzjBZ9dUvsdobn88SLk/2I1RAeZQpiKGZ42/blkkIGCqusA axqU7c4aFpLmAq8E9tjRzifL1ljJPPK4GbNY07KO8P3IDmWtRMqCYNmG9Wr22dhJM4 As3RjLgVZaP8GxL2JCZOHpVU53GPpoIyQK+QpyTEsYWLKITg1wBzUIHcKhQjIpgoEx GTMwWL57R1Xye8Y0QBLBlejJpC6+t3QQsjMpDpNw7LibbW+sfrvC3fmYLy9sIuxtbd 7Azg9Y/TeV5MQ== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 00:17:59 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0088689961== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello!=20Just=20last=20year,=20the=20Looper's=20Delight=20mailing=20list=20= thrived!=20People=20were=20talking=20about=20their=20loops=20 all=20the=20time!=20And=20the=20Facebook=20group=20was=20active=20as=20well= ,=20mostly=20for=20stuff=20like=20pictures.=20But=20I=20 noticed=20the=20inactivity=20of=20this=20list,=20and=20someone=20late=20las= t=20year=20said=20it=20was=20because=20of=20Facebook.=20So=20I=20 hope=20Violet=20gets=20this=20message;=20she=20can=20still=20edit=20loopers= -delight.com,=20and=20maybe=20she=20should=20 put=20a=20Facebook=20link=20up=20on=20the=20site.=20The=20reason=20I'm=20se= nding=20this=20message=20to=20the=20list=20is=20because=20I=20 want=20to=20know,=20would=20you=20like=20the=20list=20to=20be=20alive=20aga= in,=20or=20are=20you=20all=20unsubscribing=20due=20to=20Facebook=20 soon?=20I=20honestly=20prefer=20the=20list;=20it's=20like=20a=20Loopbook;= =20a=20Facebook=20just=20for=20loopers,=20 electronic=20musicians,=20and=20loopers=20who=20loop=20electronic=20sounds.= =20It's=20been=20that=20way=20since=20 1996,=20but=20it=20was=20good=20in=201996!=20My=20problem=20with=20Usenet= =20newsgroups=20is=20that=20it=20has=20become=20 obsolete;=20I=20haven't=20seen=20the=20obsolescence=20of=20sending=20email= =20yet. Tyler=20Z --===============0088689961==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 7 06:45:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6653F18355C; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 06:45:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: Re: possible fall of this list to a Facebook group, oh no! Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 08:48:10 +0200 Message-ID: <002501ce933a$15ccc290$416647b0$@mpeters.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac6TOhLyk81iLSCgTjWoNQoeRwMHWw== Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 06:45:28 +0000 (UTC) hi Tyler, I don't think anyone unsubscribes because he is in the Facebook group. There is some constant traffic in the Facebook group but it mostly consists of photos and livelooping videos, and event announcements. There is hardly any discussion happening like we have it in the mailing list. It all feels to me as if we are just a bit tired, or many people are away for vacation. -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 7 07:37:00 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0757418355D; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 07:36:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=9ppiYUzGhJGV1GT8jdAba1S30CgHuWXQsko4cFc9XSc=; b=Q7beVRLJV8j2HivKU/8cxt+veL2Q5UhbiUgPE6kpg503SepzHuL+QfijthZwOhUtvz dSNHwG7V4Nyms1JHaDoSTjXbDR3CaRv0gCCf9x1QQ/w1/H1Jl2eif9pK5qJaMZiRFJAG RjaFHWqmgnXgGmp3FiMeJ2NhJOox1X69+k9qZ+QEne7JHDSRtPptlUsGwKazfqKv/NyT rz5Yy0yaHFg5W9V2EEe7Lu5xGtWEm5f78HmhLYStvX1RFOIi1Kc3F53d7rRFdRy1anQU ATyMyU+jFMQ0x6YOhmPemu1cbpk3AMkEDfKo0VK4SG84UwEHrhuucG4zbvRDmwEm7Ydp KAQQ== X-Received: by 10.69.8.65 with SMTP id di1mr2244336pbd.32.1375861189984; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 00:39:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <002501ce933a$15ccc290$416647b0$@mpeters.de> References: <002501ce933a$15ccc290$416647b0$@mpeters.de> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 09:39:29 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: t9odsxpwYiMpaFWBTSkj7abZFjM Message-ID: Subject: Re: possible fall of this list to a Facebook group, oh no! To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b5d48dc7d48e204e356a5ee Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 07:36:59 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b5d48dc7d48e204e356a5ee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 No, Micheal, I believe i have read some (pseudo) research on this. There is some discussion elsewhere at least that Facebook is incredibly good at sharing and opening up topics to the world, but has a tendency to trivialise. This leads to an immediate rush of enthusiasm, and mass joining (because of the friends of friends thing, the word gets out. But then bulk and streams of self publicity, verging on spam, makes it seem trivial. Notice how from the FB group, there has been break-out groups, like stomp-box enthusiasts, and weird instruments? Well before that sort of thing would be discussed on list. The philosophical discussions have now all but disappeared, and soon we will be ONLY posting media and comments that are under 150 characters. I have tried to limit my use of the Facebook group to posting links and videos, and NOT discussion, so yes, I put my spam on FB. When I want to talk I use the list. Although auguably the FB conversation formatting is often what appeals, I have been advocating the use of gmail, to all list users so that get that look. But ultimately, people still want to use Outlook or whatever.. We can keep this list alive by going back to using it, and really using it. I know people are frustrated about its lack of development, but think of that as a GOOD THING! In this world of constant updates to include sharing and iclouding, its nice to use something constant and UNchanging, without having to constantly figure out the laborious interface... Loopers delight is dead Long live Loopers delight! MArk On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > hi Tyler, > > I don't think anyone unsubscribes because he is in the Facebook group. > There > is some constant traffic in the Facebook group but it mostly consists of > photos and livelooping videos, and event announcements. There is hardly any > discussion happening like we have it in the mailing list. It all feels to > me > as if we are just a bit tired, or many people are away for vacation. > > -Michael > > > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe --047d7b5d48dc7d48e204e356a5ee Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No, Micheal, I believe i have read some (pseudo) research = on this. There is some discussion elsewhere at least that Facebook is incre= dibly good at sharing and opening up topics to the world, but has a tendenc= y to trivialise. This leads to an immediate rush of enthusiasm, and mass jo= ining (because of the friends of friends thing, the word gets out. But then= bulk and streams of self publicity, verging on spam, makes it seem trivial= . Notice how from the FB group, there has been break-out groups, like stomp= -box enthusiasts, and weird instruments? Well before that sort of thing wou= ld be discussed on list. The philosophical discussions have now all but dis= appeared, and soon we will be ONLY posting media and comments that are unde= r 150 characters.

I have tried to limit my use of the Facebook group to postin= g links and videos, and NOT discussion, so yes, I put my spam on FB. When I= want to talk I use the list. Although auguably the FB conversation formatt= ing is often what appeals, I have been advocating the use of gmail, to all = list users so that get that look. But ultimately, people still want to use = Outlook or whatever..

We can keep this list alive by going back to using it, = and really using it. I know people are frustrated about its lack of develop= ment, but think of that as a GOOD THING! In this world of constant updates = to include sharing and iclouding, its nice to use something constant and UN= changing, without having to constantly figure out the laborious interface..= .

Loopers delight is dead
Long live Loopers del= ight!

MArk
<= br>
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Michael P= eters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:
hi Tyler,

I don't think anyone unsubscribes because he is in the Facebook group. = There
is some constant traffic in the Facebook group but it mostly consists of photos and livelooping videos, and event announcements. There is hardly any=
discussion happening like we have it in the mailing list. It all feels to m= e
as if we are just a bit tired, or many people are away for vacation.

-Michael






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--047d7b5d48dc7d48e204e356a5ee-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 7 08:10:34 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E511118355C; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 08:10:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 490 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at arsenic; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 08:10:34 UTC X-Originating-IP: [82.69.58.35] X-Authority: v=2.0 cv=P6hiHV8u c=1 sm=1 a=0E09nT4S5p1/MF8+BEFjYA==:17 a=x49a4zlv9MUA:10 a=pRJKQppL27AA:10 a=F9S3lJeE8MMA:10 a=tOnwS5-cS8YA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=8RloEfZUAAAA:8 a=zH6AH0BMEfAA:10 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=61f0JK0URiCFnrC-y0sA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=-Car0ryO0kMA:10 a=0E09nT4S5p1/MF8+BEFjYA==:117 Message-ID: <5201FFC0.4020100@virgin.net> Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 09:05:20 +0100 From: Dave Draper Reply-To: dh.draper@virgin.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: possible fall of this list to a Facebook group, oh no! References: <20130807001243.18346.89394.levelstar.mail@everest> In-Reply-To: <20130807001243.18346.89394.levelstar.mail@everest> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 08:10:34 +0000 (UTC) I hope not; call me a dinosaur but I want nothing to do with facebook thanks. (You're a dinosaur....OK) Dave On 07/08/2013 01:12, Tyler wrote: > Hello! Just last year, the Looper's Delight mailing list thrived! People were talking about their loops > all the time! And the Facebook group was active as well, mostly for stuff like pictures. But I > noticed the inactivity of this list, and someone late last year said it was because of Facebook. So I > hope Violet gets this message; she can still edit loopers-delight.com, and maybe she should > put a Facebook link up on the site. The reason I'm sending this message to the list is because I > want to know, would you like the list to be alive again, or are you all unsubscribing due to Facebook > soon? I honestly prefer the list; it's like a Loopbook; a Facebook just for loopers, > electronic musicians, and loopers who loop electronic sounds. It's been that way since > 1996, but it was good in 1996! My problem with Usenet newsgroups is that it has become > obsolete; I haven't seen the obsolescence of sending email yet. > Tyler Z > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 7 09:14:42 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFBA618355A; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 09:14:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=eFd1EwH32NmsCQO5kNg5t4OjHbwcCcX2PH6opnvu0m4=; b=KxxJ40JzVB028s0K1gEvklpbZZ5xLzqSryNRoPUMXTETkw0ZOD0vkjBGAQnZoolTYh hDu6tzjCghwU+RcGQkD/InXJhjFvD36gQlT45c6oIft4gB2FKuV45OCMYrETdXj9do2Q G4jpgKCCgjtDT8LkSwmFo3tvYIxPiQrisfG7/uSYhEVUF0QygNRu+ehJmkN/jmyJFM8u JRo9+G8mmkg/Q+g/217Hig3vttz77ei4TUNeg3wlv3QDQKMenRu7rw5gI9P8wMWpFwbc oJbv1+6FigSs3hY5nNCR7pi6qV7eMoglcSy7Eezedh2I63xetmvxyTjEUrZzhuUNTArR JYxw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnip8Q1RmGKkAjtxMdMGY0eFpZt1xb/kZw2zYugnhmfvF2qyHdbS5So37ZwSvXr8t5Z+8Iv X-Received: by 10.180.86.226 with SMTP id s2mr1579295wiz.7.1375867052012; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 02:17:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [74.95.193.205] From: Amy Lee Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 02:16:51 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: #songrequests: a 12-theme session entirely by audience suggestion To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9cc9c72e4cb4704e358021d Resent-Message-ID: <7OFyg.A.uI.CAhASB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 09:14:42 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9cc9c72e4cb4704e358021d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 (Also posted to the Loopers Delight group on Facebook.) I did an experiment tonight: I asked people for different themes and they sent back some crazy suggestions including: Ghostbusters, a picture of a bar, lizards, fire crackers, post-punk. I'd say it was semi-successful for a 1 take... :) https://soundcloud.com/animusicsf/ani-ipad-live-looping-w I'm hoping to make this a regular thing, maybe every Tuesday evening. ANI (Amy Lee) --14dae9cc9c72e4cb4704e358021d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
(Also posted to the Loopers Delight group on Facebook.)
I did an experiment tonight: I asked people for diff= erent themes and they sent back some crazy suggestions including: Ghostbust= ers, a picture of a bar, lizards, fire crackers, post-punk. I'd say it = was semi-successful for a 1 take... :)


I'm hoping to ma= ke this a regular thing, maybe every Tuesday evening.

ANI (Amy Lee)

--14dae9cc9c72e4cb4704e358021d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 7 12:32:31 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C080918355D; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 12:32:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <33d95f2d7cf90b749ae5cac049073c2f.squirrel@www.noahpeterson.com.hostbaby.com> In-Reply-To: <002501ce933a$15ccc290$416647b0$@mpeters.de> References: <002501ce933a$15ccc290$416647b0$@mpeters.de> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 07:35:20 -0500 Subject: Re: possible fall of this list to a Facebook group, oh no! From: "Noah Peterson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: noah@noahpeterson.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 12:32:31 +0000 (UTC) Some of us just read and want to know what everybody is doing. I'd comment more if I thought I had anything valuable to contribute... On Wed, August 7, 2013 1:48 am, Michael Peters wrote: > hi Tyler, > > I don't think anyone unsubscribes because he is in the Facebook group. > There > is some constant traffic in the Facebook group but it mostly consists of > photos and livelooping videos, and event announcements. There is hardly > any > discussion happening like we have it in the mailing list. It all feels to > me > as if we are just a bit tired, or many people are away for vacation. > > -Michael > > > > Peterson Entertainment, Llc 999 East Basse Road #180-117 San Antonio, TX 78209 503-703-9516 -- www.noahpeterson.com www.petersonentertainment.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 7 15:07:41 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E67C518355D; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 15:07:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=3FhJQh0SIIfq8K8GQyi9U1a+8bydosnhnim3zsK6KII=; b=DVrxjkeld4rDLV7vb0RkMXzknj/JpNfaIZgqDvTgtCIrC+k7u3Gj7xDLFzYA7E0TXG zlu6Y3r24mHKoSDW5TCnii3XlNDxShuksdB2SiRzXtgtzajmR/1wARnMWqWqmjkx2qjG GqpI40ZZNrBL5tCGQsSSrlylpPVRQ339wghPgu91pJFNwfE9nUpRbX92QRCDm+vc6os+ O9MRcTZ2cqgIuUz4P5pS/eFE0LKWPue7pvOiQ+XtNMeBdknfu1Tg2DZgniXH1jRlzqzG JhNovf3hmxkcmQihRVkZdNtjruRLWNkphKfhZ4Sw3rpUyx80oTaiD58N0xjJWU4vxATp N8/w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.95.229 with SMTP id dn5mr894109oeb.26.1375888230427; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 08:10:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <33d95f2d7cf90b749ae5cac049073c2f.squirrel@www.noahpeterson.com.hostbaby.com> References: <002501ce933a$15ccc290$416647b0$@mpeters.de> <33d95f2d7cf90b749ae5cac049073c2f.squirrel@www.noahpeterson.com.hostbaby.com> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 07:10:30 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: possible fall of this list to a Facebook group, oh no! From: Dennis Moser To: noah@noahpeterson.com Cc: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0118470a39b1cb04e35cf175 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 15:07:41 +0000 (UTC) --089e0118470a39b1cb04e35cf175 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable /me glances at the calendar to check the date Yep, later Summer. Time for cyclical "Oh, woes" thread! *GRIN It's amusing to read this thread from my Gmail account that suggests all manner of things to make the experience "richer" by signing in to FaceBork or LInkedIn ("Hey! Let's start a LinkedIn Discussion Group for Loopers!") = =85 As the original perpetrator of the Facebook group, I can tell you that it wasn't an "overnight" success (fine by m). I was very delighted when, after about a year, it finally seem to gain some traction and people like the Walker brothers, Michael Peters, Andy Butler, Ted Killian, and Mark Francombe signed on there. It was never intended to "replace", there was never any thought of one superseding the other. It was about augmentation. If I can make any observation about the group of musicians on Loopers Delight, it is, that in comparison to the majority of rock musicians "out there" they are consistently less conservative about the embrace of technology, often taking it in directions that the designers hadn't thought of or intended. That's a good thing because somebody has to stretch the limits and boundaries. Use what you know. Try and learn something new. Move ahead. Some of you will never grace the pages of the Facebook site ("Dave Draper = =97 you're a dinosaur! *grin) and that's okay =85 that's what this list is for. On a side note for those who follow both =97 there's no reason we can't get into deeper discussion over there. The ability to post notes/documents/audio and video samples should be encouraging us to take advantage of those capabilities. There have been several festivals in the past months =97 people have been posting photos of them. We can always use more of that. We now return to the lazy days of summer. (Well, maybe in YOUR neck of the woods. It's finally getting dark at night around here, which means we've got about 6-8 weeks before the snow starts and the Winter Lockdown begins=85on the other hand, it means we'll get to see the aurora again!) Best to all from the banks of mighty Chena River, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 4:35 AM, Noah Peterson wrote= : > Some of us just read and want to know what everybody is doing. I'd > comment more if I thought I had anything valuable to contribute... > > On Wed, August 7, 2013 1:48 am, Michael Peters wrote: > > hi Tyler, > > > > I don't think anyone unsubscribes because he is in the Facebook group. > > There > > is some constant traffic in the Facebook group but it mostly consists o= f > > photos and livelooping videos, and event announcements. There is hardly > > any > > discussion happening like we have it in the mailing list. It all feels = to > > me > > as if we are just a bit tired, or many people are away for vacation. > > > > -Michael > > > > > > > > > > > Peterson Entertainment, Llc > 999 East Basse Road #180-117 > San Antonio, TX 78209 > 503-703-9516 > -- > www.noahpeterson.com > www.petersonentertainment.com > > --089e0118470a39b1cb04e35cf175 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
/me glances at the calendar to check the date

Yep, later Summer. Time for cyclical "Oh, woes" thre= ad!=A0

*GRIN

It's amusing to read this thread from my Gmail account that = suggests all manner of things to make the experience "richer" by = signing in to FaceBork or LInkedIn ("Hey! Let's start a LinkedIn D= iscussion Group for Loopers!") =85

As the original perpetrator of the Facebook= group, I can tell you that it wasn't an "overnight" success = (fine by m). I was very delighted when, after about a year, it finally =A0s= eem to gain some traction and people like the Walker brothers, Michael Pete= rs, Andy Butler, Ted Killian, and Mark Francombe signed on there. It was ne= ver intended to "replace", there was never any thought of one sup= erseding the other.

It was about augmentation.
=
If I can make any observation about the group of music= ians on Loopers Delight, it is, that in comparison to the majority of rock = musicians "out there" they are consistently less conservative abo= ut the embrace of technology, often taking it in directions that the design= ers hadn't thought of or intended. That's a good thing because some= body has to stretch the limits and boundaries.

Use what you know. Try and learn something = new. Move ahead.

Some of you will neve= r grace the pages of the Facebook site ("Dave Draper =97 you're a = dinosaur! *grin) and that's okay =85 that's what this list is for.<= /div>

On a side note for those who follow both = =97 there's no reason we can't get into deeper discussion over ther= e. The ability to post notes/documents/audio and video samples should be en= couraging us to take advantage of those capabilities. There have been sever= al festivals in the past months =97 people have been posting photos of them= . We can always use more of that.

We now return to the lazy days of summer. (= Well, maybe in YOUR neck of the woods. It's finally getting dark at nig= ht around here, which means we've got about 6-8 weeks before the snow s= tarts and the Winter Lockdown begins=85on the other hand, it means we'l= l get to see the aurora again!)

Best to all from the banks of mighty Chena = River,

Dennis



On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 4:35 AM, Noah Pet= erson <noah@noahpeterson.com> wrote:
Some of us just read and want to know what everybody is doing. =A0I'd comment more if I thought I had anything valuable to contribute...

On Wed, August 7, 2013 1:48 am, Michael Peters wrote:
> hi Tyler,
>
> I don't think anyone unsubscribes because he is in the Facebook gr= oup.
> There
> is some constant traffic in the Facebook group but it mostly consists = of
> photos and livelooping videos, and event announcements. There is hardl= y
> any
> discussion happening like we have it in the mailing list. It all feels= to
> me
> as if we are just a bit tired, or many people are away for vacation. >
> -Michael
>
>
>
>


Peterson Entertainment, Llc
999 East Basse Road #180-117
San Antonio, TX 78209
503-703-9516
--
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--089e0118470a39b1cb04e35cf175-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 7 16:11:32 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FBAE18355E; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 16:11:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=CZuDiwFJfN7RoN8Rc0rfLZ3ebkRoudGl+C5hjkK/IF0=; b=Es1salhUXi39H5KUNisUl8BdnlTdqz96Tf111jbpryG+PQWrxMtsSnx2ZcPhTneEI5 KJHQrSEpEbON4ouoBHBhwYF8UR9RWWAyHL9NcjzTRHkcCmna653OrPTKreBmwoCdfL8X pBaDsK/nyRKkyeFzFqiVex6Id9agmrA+T1L3BdcTLz0my+vvx6qjlyylMxrWe9keeWFH ADtqDKdqK6sz+KxBCciWWrZwGUoJo6TWiSmqJlQofqppbqKiqujfJvM4f4UQ1ggT2r9f FAogpfjDSq679aqiOBOKnigAr63k1CfE7PulPMcVNeN1VuwGKh2qSH7VAvqoZlfXTM+H Necg== X-Received: by 10.112.155.228 with SMTP id vz4mr538645lbb.41.1375892060142; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 09:14:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Benjamin Whitehouse Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 12:14:00 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e012297247e81fc04e35dd532 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 16:11:32 +0000 (UTC) --089e012297247e81fc04e35dd532 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi! I've searched the website and seen many posts for the FCB1010 but cannot find the answer I am looking for. I have the FCB1010 and I would like to use it to control a sampler eg a Roland SP-303 however I have read posts on other forums suggesting that this will not work due to the FCB not sending note on midi messages. Is anyone here using the FCB1010 with a hardware sampler to trigger samples? If not, is anyone using a different pedal/sampler arrangement that they could recommend? I am a keyboard and guitarist and want to be able to trigger samples on and off using the footpedal. If the volume pedal can be used to control volume, that would be great too. Thanks! --089e012297247e81fc04e35dd532 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi!

I'= ve searched the website and seen many posts for the FCB1010 but cannot find= the answer I am looking for.

I have t= he FCB1010 and I would like to use it to control a sampler eg a Roland SP-3= 03 however I have read posts on other forums suggesting that this will not = work due to the FCB not sending note on midi messages.

Is anyone here using the FCB1010 with a har= dware sampler to trigger samples?

If n= ot, is anyone using a different pedal/sampler arrangement that they could r= ecommend? I am a keyboard and guitarist and want to be able to trigger samp= les on and off using the footpedal. If the volume pedal can be used to cont= rol volume, that would be great too.

Thanks!
--089e012297247e81fc04e35dd532-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 7 16:51:55 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B93118355C; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 16:51:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 487 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at arsenic; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 16:51:54 UTC Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0088689961==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20130807164639.25372.89394.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 12:46:39 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: possible fall of this list to a Facebook group, oh no! DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20121106; t=1375893996; bh=aG+wNeK0+A4ylS6xomqYNqJY2+nniOubrO+z2odUobw=; h=Received:Received:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-Id:Reply-to: From:Date:To:Subject; b=ZjoAfgMSfBNWtMB9tJM4RjJ4HHQrC4Xc1/JGr/Thdh9bbP3mXIaznJ29XyvDAL7zy yHOVRLElFd+lw9xaR6fkJsDPkI96qjQBveOKF9xriQ0VgEoDz8H7wc6v/kQwuSl8Wc RY8Lp73pbN06m8yTtvq+9rGGniGbe1sZDu8z8f2GCoG20AfbOuL9C9Dy9L3ZPSAKqu vkW/rveMZhQcZ0hCX0ZQvJ8z9EbCRZrVWD5jJSMugefrOZYiN/35OKz8QHNigm1L8w ogrQU4kU1Hw4YbH3IkxIxCVQY/tZ5aRPRTZ9Bt3iG7eMUBXS/V/Dor+PDI6jrML3HV kj9meww94tm5A== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 16:51:55 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0088689961== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There=20must=20be=20a=20lot=20of=20discussion:=20Last=20year,=20the=2012/12= /2012=20looping=20album=20was=20made,=20and=20they=20 announced=20the=20call=20to=20participation=20on=20Facebook,=20but=20not=20= on=20the=20list.=20I'm=20a=20member=20of=20the=20group=20on=20 Facebook,=20but=20I=20rarely=20check=20that=20particular=20group.=20Because= =20of=20my=20failure=20to=20check,=20I=20didn't=20know=20 there=20was=20a=2012/12/2012=20album=20until=20it=20came=20out,=20then=20so= meone=20said=20so=20on=20the=20list.=20I=20could=20have=20been=20on=20 that,=20but=20apparently=20I=20have=20to=20use=20Facebook=20instead=20of=20= the=20list,=20according=20to=20that=20story. Tyler=20Z On=20Wed,=207=20Aug=202013=2008:48:10=20+0200,=20Michael=20Peters=20wrote: >hi=20Tyler,=20=20 > >I=20don't=20think=20anyone=20unsubscribes=20because=20he=20is=20in=20the= =20Facebook=20group.=20There >is=20some=20constant=20traffic=20in=20the=20Facebook=20group=20but=20it=20= mostly=20consists=20of >photos=20and=20livelooping=20videos,=20and=20event=20announcements.=20Ther= e=20is=20hardly=20any >discussion=20happening=20like=20we=20have=20it=20in=20the=20mailing=20list= .=20It=20all=20feels=20to=20me >as=20if=20we=20are=20just=20a=20bit=20tired,=20or=20many=20people=20are=20= away=20for=20vacation. > >-Michael > > --===============0088689961==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 7 17:24:11 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D29918355E; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 17:24:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 901 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at arsenic; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 17:24:10 UTC From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler? Thread-Topic: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler? Thread-Index: AQHOk4kvv86NRKsdKECiea6pIhb6fJmJp4cA Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 17:11:56 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.6.130613 x-originating-ip: [173.226.147.242] x-forefront-prvs: 0931CB1479 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM;SFS:(41574002)(199002)(189002)(377454003)(46102001)(76786001)(74662001)(66066001)(31966008)(50986001)(76176001)(56776001)(65816001)(81542001)(81342001)(74706001)(19580385001)(19580395003)(47446002)(83322001)(51856001)(83072001)(16236675002)(36756003)(74366001)(54356001)(76482001)(76796001)(19580405001)(4396001)(47736001)(56816003)(47976001)(77096001)(74502001)(63696002)(54316002)(79102001)(80022001)(74876001)(69226001)(53806001)(77982001)(80976001)(16406001)(49866001)(59766001)(554214002)(15202345003)(24704002);DIR:OUT;SFP:;SCL:1;SRVR:BN1PR04MB108;H:BN1PR04MB105.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;CLIP:173.226.147.242;RD:InfoNoRecords;A:1;MX:1;LANG:en; Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CE27E8869739Bjefflarsonsailpointcom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 17:24:11 +0000 (UTC) --_000_CE27E8869739Bjefflarsonsailpointcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The FCB1010 can send Note On on press and Note Off on release so you can us= e it to trigger a sampler. I don't think it comes out of the box that way = but you can program it to send notes. The pedals can be programmed to sen= d any MIDI continuous controller including volume (7). If you haven't alr= eady bought one you might also consider this: http://www.keithmcmillen.com/12step/overview It's smaller and the layout is more like a keyboard if that matters, but yo= u'll need a standalone pedal. Jeff From: Benjamin Whitehouse > Reply-To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Date: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 11:14 AM To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Subject: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler? Resent-From: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Resent-Date: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 11:11 AM Hi! I've searched the website and seen many posts for the FCB1010 but cannot fi= nd the answer I am looking for. I have the FCB1010 and I would like to use it to control a sampler eg a Rol= and SP-303 however I have read posts on other forums suggesting that this w= ill not work due to the FCB not sending note on midi messages. Is anyone here using the FCB1010 with a hardware sampler to trigger samples= ? If not, is anyone using a different pedal/sampler arrangement that they cou= ld recommend? I am a keyboard and guitarist and want to be able to trigger = samples on and off using the footpedal. If the volume pedal can be used to = control volume, that would be great too. Thanks! --_000_CE27E8869739Bjefflarsonsailpointcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The FCB1010 can send Note On on press and Note Off on release so you c= an use it to trigger a sampler.  I don't think it comes out of the box= that way but you can program it to send notes.   The pedals can be pr= ogrammed to send any MIDI continuous controller including volume (7).   If you haven't already bought one you might a= lso consider this:


It's smaller and the layout is more like a keyboard if that matters, b= ut you'll need a standalone pedal.

Jeff



From: Benjamin Whitehouse <bpwhitehouse@gmail.com>
Reply-To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com= " <Loopers-D= elight@loopers-delight.com>
Date: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 11:= 14 AM
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"= <Loopers-Delight= @loopers-delight.com>
Subject: FCB1010 with Hardware Samp= ler?
Resent-From: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<= /a>" <Looper= s-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Resent-Date: Wednesday, August 7, 2= 013 11:11 AM

Hi!

I've searched the website and seen many posts for the FCB10= 10 but cannot find the answer I am looking for.

I have the FCB1010 and I would like to use it to control a = sampler eg a Roland SP-303 however I have read posts on other forums sugges= ting that this will not work due to the FCB not sending note on midi messag= es.

Is anyone here using the FCB1010 with a hardware sampler to= trigger samples?

If not, is anyone using a different pedal/sampler arrangeme= nt that they could recommend? I am a keyboard and guitarist and want to be = able to trigger samples on and off using the footpedal. If the volume pedal= can be used to control volume, that would be great too.

Thanks!
--_000_CE27E8869739Bjefflarsonsailpointcom_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 7 17:40:10 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDDE918355E; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 17:40:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 561 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at arsenic; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 17:40:10 UTC X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgkFAK+DAlIyfwU9/2dsb2JhbABbgwbAZxaDWYogmBigQ45UgWODBHQDiSuUXIspgzWBUw X-Originating-IP: [50.127.5.61] X-Previous-IP: 50.127.5.61 From: Jeff Shirkey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: FS: 1964 AC30 Treble model Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 12:35:56 -0500 Message-Id: To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Resent-Message-ID: <5CadT.A.pJE.6ZoASB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 17:40:10 +0000 (UTC) I still have a great 1964 AC30 (treble model) for sale. I had a couple = people from the list who were interested in the amp a year or so ago, = but no takers as of yet. I thought I'd try one more time. Email me off list for pics, details, etc. Thank you, Jeff= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 7 17:41:46 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DE3718355D; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 17:41:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1821 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at arsenic; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 17:41:45 UTC X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=dIr+A5lb c=1 sm=1 a=1mPEbzcIwNq/5QazqZV7BA==:17 a=cr-NbihSU0QA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=xfgN0kHW2GEA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=QqY4AJFIIBDP9JVfWSUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=1mPEbzcIwNq/5QazqZV7BA==:117 X-Auth-id: dGhldG95cm9vbUBjaGFydGVyLm5ldA== References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <97514F36-E4F5-4631-BB7A-54CD29F6D7C0@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10A403) From: Richard Atkinson Subject: Re: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler? Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 10:10:51 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 17:41:46 +0000 (UTC) Using the 1010 with a Roland 404sx. No problems at all. Havent setup the vol= ume pedals yet, but triggering works fine. Having one pedal set to 'all off'= is nice, too. Rich Sent from my iPhone On Aug 7, 2013, at 9:14 AM, Benjamin Whitehouse wro= te: > Hi! >=20 > I've searched the website and seen many posts for the FCB1010 but cannot f= ind the answer I am looking for. >=20 > I have the FCB1010 and I would like to use it to control a sampler eg a Ro= land SP-303 however I have read posts on other forums suggesting that this w= ill not work due to the FCB not sending note on midi messages. >=20 > Is anyone here using the FCB1010 with a hardware sampler to trigger sample= s? >=20 > If not, is anyone using a different pedal/sampler arrangement that they co= uld recommend? I am a keyboard and guitarist and want to be able to trigger s= amples on and off using the footpedal. If the volume pedal can be used to co= ntrol volume, that would be great too. >=20 > Thanks! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 7 17:44:46 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D8B118355E; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 17:44:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=j/JqvzB/HzujyT5Nh4ThRE7CPt2EnX9KFvMH5bF2/QM=; b=Q3tm5yJM2Z/NQiCdhok8sNy6MPKFGTx11LIqo7ORuCrV+NmY9bBAhvXNf/q0lKozv6 tkY4LWN85l3cZFd33H7bB73Fi/R97lstbX4fJD5NQnWJdzK06KvhbuLHBvXqPRl0cvNS kBHeVBBqdMXKobUPhH2ZqukQ2wHDOWa8UMhK9CNNESoYs9LYqPKBP0+bAflACwjWNTWD sKwuzDiSn93egQkhxxxBS0lI8OnnOSOOsksUrUuEVhggZRfKIKzJtZMsX/95ly/q6VRb KpTqC92gO1o9boPlxwgDpnqTFxvbiU7hDms0HI5nV1kNyoNtBZAwXJUB2TSXTXNDE3ls Jn6A== X-Received: by 10.152.27.227 with SMTP id w3mr1852796lag.84.1375897653735; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 10:47:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <97514F36-E4F5-4631-BB7A-54CD29F6D7C0@charter.net> References: <97514F36-E4F5-4631-BB7A-54CD29F6D7C0@charter.net> From: Benjamin Whitehouse Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 13:47:13 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler? To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0158c292e5f7a804e35f220d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 17:44:46 +0000 (UTC) --089e0158c292e5f7a804e35f220d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Wow what a great forum, thanks so much! I'll look out for a cheap used Roland SP Sampler then! I never knew about Keith McMillen - absolutely awesome! I play in a 3pc with a fiddler so the K-bow looks exciting. On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Richard Atkinson wrote: > Using the 1010 with a Roland 404sx. No problems at all. Havent setup the > volume pedals yet, but triggering works fine. Having one pedal set to 'all > off' is nice, too. > > Rich > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 7, 2013, at 9:14 AM, Benjamin Whitehouse > wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > I've searched the website and seen many posts for the FCB1010 but cannot > find the answer I am looking for. > > > > I have the FCB1010 and I would like to use it to control a sampler eg a > Roland SP-303 however I have read posts on other forums suggesting that > this will not work due to the FCB not sending note on midi messages. > > > > Is anyone here using the FCB1010 with a hardware sampler to trigger > samples? > > > > If not, is anyone using a different pedal/sampler arrangement that they > could recommend? I am a keyboard and guitarist and want to be able to > trigger samples on and off using the footpedal. If the volume pedal can be > used to control volume, that would be great too. > > > > Thanks! > > -- Benjamin Whitehouse 514.573.5135 bpwhitehouse@gmail.com bpwhitehouse.tumblr.com --089e0158c292e5f7a804e35f220d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wow what a great forum, thanks so much! I'll look out = for a cheap used Roland SP Sampler then!
I never knew about Keith= McMillen - absolutely awesome! I play in a 3pc with a fiddler so the K-bow= looks exciting.


On Wed,= Aug 7, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Richard Atkinson <thetoyroom@charter.net= > wrote:
Using the 1010 with a Roland 404sx. No probl= ems at all. Havent setup the volume pedals yet, but triggering works fine. = Having one pedal set to 'all off' is nice, too.

Rich

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 7, 2013, at 9:14 AM, Benjamin Whitehouse <bpwhitehouse@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I've searched the website and seen many posts for the FCB1010 but = cannot find the answer I am looking for.
>
> I have the FCB1010 and I would like to use it to control a sampler eg = a Roland SP-303 however I have read posts on other forums suggesting that t= his will not work due to the FCB not sending note on midi messages.
>
> Is anyone here using the FCB1010 with a hardware sampler to trigger sa= mples?
>
> If not, is anyone using a different pedal/sampler arrangement that the= y could recommend? I am a keyboard and guitarist and want to be able to tri= gger samples on and off using the footpedal. If the volume pedal can be use= d to control volume, that would be great too.
>
> Thanks!




--
=
Benjamin Whitehouse
514.573.5135

--089e0158c292e5f7a804e35f220d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 7 18:10:57 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0137A183560; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 18:10:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 300 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at arsenic; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 18:10:56 UTC X-TMN: [9mI1vD8guo9Z+BQWw1wBi1FXizRvihbB] X-Originating-Email: [threeleggedyoyo@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_9a0e6f74-d015-4e3b-89f3-3b4b1273ad9d_" From: Brent Taylor To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler? Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 12:08:44 -0600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,<97514F36-E4F5-4631-BB7A-54CD29F6D7C0@charter.net>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2013 18:08:44.0587 (UTC) FILETIME=[27B66FB0:01CE9399] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 18:10:56 +0000 (UTC) --_9a0e6f74-d015-4e3b-89f3-3b4b1273ad9d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Depending on how you use samples=2C a Digitech JamMan can also be a nice sm= all/standalone option for sampling. I wouldn't recommend it for a lot of fa= st sampling=2C but if you just want to flip on an old movie quote once in a= while=2C it's not a bad way to go. ~Brentwww.facebook/sciencegonewrong From: bpwhitehouse@gmail.com Date: Wed=2C 7 Aug 2013 13:47:13 -0400 Subject: Re: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Wow what a great forum=2C thanks so much! I'll look out for a cheap used Ro= land SP Sampler then!I never knew about Keith McMillen - absolutely awesome= ! I play in a 3pc with a fiddler so the K-bow looks exciting.=0A= =0A= On Wed=2C Aug 7=2C 2013 at 1:10 PM=2C Richard Atkinson wrote: =0A= =0A= Using the 1010 with a Roland 404sx. No problems at all. Havent setup the vo= lume pedals yet=2C but triggering works fine. Having one pedal set to 'all = off' is nice=2C too. =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Rich =0A= =0A= Sent from my iPhone =0A= =0A= On Aug 7=2C 2013=2C at 9:14 AM=2C Benjamin Whitehouse wrote: =0A= =0A= > Hi! =0A= > =0A= > I've searched the website and seen many posts for the FCB1010 but cannot = find the answer I am looking for. =0A= > =0A= > I have the FCB1010 and I would like to use it to control a sampler eg a R= oland SP-303 however I have read posts on other forums suggesting that this= will not work due to the FCB not sending note on midi messages. =0A= =0A= =0A= > =0A= > Is anyone here using the FCB1010 with a hardware sampler to trigger sampl= es? =0A= > =0A= > If not=2C is anyone using a different pedal/sampler arrangement that they= could recommend? I am a keyboard and guitarist and want to be able to trig= ger samples on and off using the footpedal. If the volume pedal can be used= to control volume=2C that would be great too. =0A= =0A= =0A= > =0A= > Thanks! =0A= =0A= --=20 Benjamin Whitehouse514.573.5135bpwhitehouse@gmail.com bpwhitehouse.tumblr.com=0A= =0A= =0A= = --_9a0e6f74-d015-4e3b-89f3-3b4b1273ad9d_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Depending on how you use samples= =2C a Digitech JamMan can also be a nice small/standalone option for sampli= ng. I wouldn't recommend it for a lot of fast sampling=2C but if you just w= ant to flip on an old movie quote once in a while=2C it's not a bad way to = go.

~Brent
www.facebook/sciencegonewrong
=


From: bpwhitehouse@gmail.com
Date:= Wed=2C 7 Aug 2013 13:47:13 -0400
Subject: Re: FCB1010 with Hardware Sam= pler?
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Wo= w what a great forum=2C thanks so much! I'll look out for a cheap used Rola= nd SP Sampler then!
I never knew about Keith McMillen - absolutely awes= ome! I play in a 3pc with a fiddler so the K-bow looks exciting.
=0A= =0A=


O= n Wed=2C Aug 7=2C 2013 at 1:10 PM=2C Richard Atkinson <= =3Bthetoyroom@c= harter.net>=3B wrote:
=0A= =0A=
Using the 1010 with a Roland 404sx. No problems at all= . Havent setup the volume pedals yet=2C but triggering works fine. Having o= ne pedal set to 'all off' is nice=2C too.
=0A= =0A= =0A=
=0A= Rich
=0A=
=0A= Sent from my iPhone
=0A=

=0A= On Aug 7=2C 2013=2C at 9:14 AM=2C Benjamin Whitehouse <=3Bbpwhitehouse@gmail.com>=3B wrote:
=0A=
=0A= >=3B Hi!
=0A= >=3B
=0A= >=3B I've searched the website and seen many posts for the FCB1010 but ca= nnot find the answer I am looking for.
=0A= >=3B
=0A= >=3B I have the FCB1010 and I would like to use it to control a sampler e= g a Roland SP-303 however I have read posts on other forums suggesting that= this will not work due to the FCB not sending note on midi messages.
= =0A= =0A= =0A= >=3B
=0A= >=3B Is anyone here using the FCB1010 with a hardware sampler to trigger = samples?
=0A= >=3B
=0A= >=3B If not=2C is anyone using a different pedal/sampler arrangement that= they could recommend? I am a keyboard and guitarist and want to be able to= trigger samples on and off using the footpedal. If the volume pedal can be= used to control volume=2C that would be great too.
=0A= =0A= =0A= >=3B
=0A= >=3B Thanks!
=0A=
=0A=



--
=
Benjamin Whitehouse
514.573.5135

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= --_9a0e6f74-d015-4e3b-89f3-3b4b1273ad9d_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 7 18:17:52 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 157FB18355E; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 18:17:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=an6XI9iZrQv/DqtJa86im7nxwcMELfD5PuLqw+BHwfQ=; b=SG+m9NfSgdLsvF1In1Dnozv+k7FyRDODwIDM928lgahl5Mad++/MwVSof2q7wW4SV1 +a3WWcLhwFZpc1LOpkdedm/iQJbhDo6lJohgCOFYSLXCrstwkgHPe6fNKHNNdQg5QaGd X6P5w885pKsee4U+38RHQl4kOgOBRrpzCufi7fMNdOTYkJkj9NGTIpu50+Ow8h4/LDnT bod52Kv990L9XmcFW3wXPsG+yPN1TKPssQTgkgtfD8atJ9rGjHt6D9AQZ+B5a2EIhdWG 5Vzwu7FGFbjLzovvSBbKXqrKzZFJCXsH/KemFjWtArmJQSh0E1D9DYcSFE0xaD660JPn Iyjw== X-Received: by 10.112.55.140 with SMTP id s12mr750668lbp.42.1375899639406; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 11:20:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <97514F36-E4F5-4631-BB7A-54CD29F6D7C0@charter.net> From: Benjamin Whitehouse Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 14:20:19 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1133e95a40e53804e35f99ae Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 18:17:51 +0000 (UTC) --001a1133e95a40e53804e35f99ae Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Good point, a valid option I hadn't considered, thanks Brett (crazy rig you got there mate!). On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Brent Taylor wrote: > Depending on how you use samples, a Digitech JamMan can also be a nice > small/standalone option for sampling. I wouldn't recommend it for a lot of > fast sampling, but if you just want to flip on an old movie quote once in a > while, it's not a bad way to go. > > ~Brent > www.facebook/sciencegonewrong > > ------------------------------ > From: bpwhitehouse@gmail.com > Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 13:47:13 -0400 > Subject: Re: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler? > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Wow what a great forum, thanks so much! I'll look out for a cheap used > Roland SP Sampler then! > I never knew about Keith McMillen - absolutely awesome! I play in a 3pc > with a fiddler so the K-bow looks exciting. > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Richard Atkinson wrote: > > Using the 1010 with a Roland 404sx. No problems at all. Havent setup the > volume pedals yet, but triggering works fine. Having one pedal set to 'all > off' is nice, too. > > Rich > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 7, 2013, at 9:14 AM, Benjamin Whitehouse > wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > I've searched the website and seen many posts for the FCB1010 but cannot > find the answer I am looking for. > > > > I have the FCB1010 and I would like to use it to control a sampler eg a > Roland SP-303 however I have read posts on other forums suggesting that > this will not work due to the FCB not sending note on midi messages. > > > > Is anyone here using the FCB1010 with a hardware sampler to trigger > samples? > > > > If not, is anyone using a different pedal/sampler arrangement that they > could recommend? I am a keyboard and guitarist and want to be able to > trigger samples on and off using the footpedal. If the volume pedal can be > used to control volume, that would be great too. > > > > Thanks! > > > > > -- > > Benjamin Whitehouse > 514.573.5135 > bpwhitehouse@gmail.com > bpwhitehouse.tumblr.com > > -- Benjamin Whitehouse 514.573.5135 bpwhitehouse@gmail.com bpwhitehouse.tumblr.com --001a1133e95a40e53804e35f99ae Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good point, a valid option I hadn't considered, thanks= Brett (crazy rig you got there mate!).

On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Brent Taylo= r <threeleggedyoyo@hotmail.com> wrote:
Depending on how you use samples, a Digitech JamMan c= an also be a nice small/standalone option for sampling. I wouldn't reco= mmend it for a lot of fast sampling, but if you just want to flip on an old= movie quote once in a while, it's not a bad way to go.

~Brent
www.facebook/sciencegonewrong

From: bpwhitehouse@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 13:47:13 -0400
Subj= ect: Re: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler?
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com


Wow what a great forum, thanks so much! I'll look out for= a cheap used Roland SP Sampler then!
I never knew about Keith McMillen - absolutely awesome! I play in a 3pc wit= h a fiddler so the K-bow looks exciting.


On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Richard Atkinson <thetoyroom@charter.net> wrote:
Using the= 1010 with a Roland 404sx. No problems at all. Havent setup the volume peda= ls yet, but triggering works fine. Having one pedal set to 'all off'= ; is nice, too.

Rich

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 7, 2013, at 9:14 AM, Benjamin Whitehouse <bpwhitehouse@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
> Hi!
>
> I've searched the website and seen many posts for the FCB1010 but = cannot find the answer I am looking for.
>
> I have the FCB1010 and I would like to use it to control a sampler eg = a Roland SP-303 however I have read posts on other forums suggesting that t= his will not work due to the FCB not sending note on midi messages.
>
> Is anyone here using the FCB1010 with a hardware sampler to trigger sa= mples?
>
> If not, is anyone using a different pedal/sampler arrangement that the= y could recommend? I am a keyboard and guitarist and want to be able to tri= gger samples on and off using the footpedal. If the volume pedal can be use= d to control volume, that would be great too.
>
> Thanks!




--
=
Benjamin Whitehouse
514.573.5135




--

Benjamin= Whitehouse
514.573.5135
--001a1133e95a40e53804e35f99ae-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 7 18:27:38 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0443418355E; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 18:27:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 4774 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at arsenic; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 18:27:37 UTC X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=foeE/yEf c=1 sm=1 a=1mPEbzcIwNq/5QazqZV7BA==:17 a=cr-NbihSU0QA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=xfgN0kHW2GEA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=69EAbJreAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=CEk_zYJIAAAA:8 a=t8OHb21EuaHD-mizrDwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=KXuLW65_DLEA:10 a=wBvEM6NdyIUA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=EfJqPEOeqlMA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=foP282CL0ScA:10 a=Ticig26YeYPb3gm9:21 a=1mPEbzcIwNq/5QazqZV7BA==:117 X-Auth-id: dGhldG95cm9vbUBjaGFydGVyLm5ldA== References: <97514F36-E4F5-4631-BB7A-54CD29F6D7C0@charter.net> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8983D78B-A370-4AFE-9850-9E4418EA5E66 Message-Id: <33361DFB-2D5E-41EF-9F8A-D4DBD03DDBB5@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10A403) From: Richard Atkinson Subject: Re: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler? Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 11:30:25 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 18:27:37 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8983D78B-A370-4AFE-9850-9E4418EA5E66 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Also, unless cost is a major issue, a new item like the 404sx has much bette= r/easier sample loading than older units. Not so much with sampling directly= from the analog inputs, but loading pre-existing files. I was using a Korg ES-1 before, and the Roland is much easier to load pre-ex= isting sames. Rivh Sent from my iPhone On Aug 7, 2013, at 11:20 AM, Benjamin Whitehouse wr= ote: > Good point, a valid option I hadn't considered, thanks Brett (crazy rig yo= u got there mate!). >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Brent Taylor = wrote: >> Depending on how you use samples, a Digitech JamMan can also be a nice sm= all/standalone option for sampling. I wouldn't recommend it for a lot of fas= t sampling, but if you just want to flip on an old movie quote once in a whi= le, it's not a bad way to go. >>=20 >> ~Brent >> www.facebook/sciencegonewrong >>=20 >> From: bpwhitehouse@gmail.com >> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 13:47:13 -0400 >> Subject: Re: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler? >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>=20 >>=20 >> Wow what a great forum, thanks so much! I'll look out for a cheap used Ro= land SP Sampler then! >> I never knew about Keith McMillen - absolutely awesome! I play in a 3pc w= ith a fiddler so the K-bow looks exciting. >>=20 >>=20 >> On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Richard Atkinson = wrote: >> Using the 1010 with a Roland 404sx. No problems at all. Havent setup the v= olume pedals yet, but triggering works fine. Having one pedal set to 'all of= f' is nice, too. >>=20 >> Rich >>=20 >> Sent from my iPhone >>=20 >> On Aug 7, 2013, at 9:14 AM, Benjamin Whitehouse w= rote: >>=20 >> > Hi! >> > >> > I've searched the website and seen many posts for the FCB1010 but canno= t find the answer I am looking for. >> > >> > I have the FCB1010 and I would like to use it to control a sampler eg a= Roland SP-303 however I have read posts on other forums suggesting that thi= s will not work due to the FCB not sending note on midi messages. >> > >> > Is anyone here using the FCB1010 with a hardware sampler to trigger sam= ples? >> > >> > If not, is anyone using a different pedal/sampler arrangement that they= could recommend? I am a keyboard and guitarist and want to be able to trigg= er samples on and off using the footpedal. If the volume pedal can be used t= o control volume, that would be great too. >> > >> > Thanks! >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >>=20 >> Benjamin Whitehouse >> 514.573.5135 >> bpwhitehouse@gmail.com >> bpwhitehouse.tumblr.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 >=20 > Benjamin Whitehouse > 514.573.5135 > bpwhitehouse@gmail.com > bpwhitehouse.tumblr.com >=20 --Apple-Mail-8983D78B-A370-4AFE-9850-9E4418EA5E66 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Also, unless cost is a major issue, a n= ew item like the 404sx has much better/easier sample loading than older unit= s. Not so much with sampling directly from the analog inputs, but loading pr= e-existing files.

I was using a Korg ES-1 before, a= nd the Roland is much easier to load pre-existing sames.

Rivh

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 7, 2013, at 11:20= AM, Benjamin Whitehouse <bpwhi= tehouse@gmail.com> wrote:

Good point, a valid option I hadn't considered, thanks Bre= tt (crazy rig you got there mate!).


=
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Brent Taylor <threeleggedyoyo@hotmail.com> wrote:
Depending on how you use samples, a Digitech JamMan ca= n also be a nice small/standalone option for sampling. I wouldn't recommend i= t for a lot of fast sampling, but if you just want to flip on an old movie q= uote once in a while, it's not a bad way to go.

~Brent
www.facebook/sciencegonewrong

=

From: b= pwhitehouse@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 13:47:13 -0400
Subject= : Re: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler?
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com


Wow what a great forum, thanks so much! I'll look out for a cheap= used Roland SP Sampler then!
I never knew about Keith McMillen - absolutely awesome! I play in a 3pc with= a fiddler so the K-bow looks exciting.


On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Richard Atkinson <thetoyroom@charter.net> wrote:
Using the 1= 010 with a Roland 404sx. No problems at all. Havent setup the volume pedals y= et, but triggering works fine. Having one pedal set to 'all off' is nice, to= o.

Rich

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 7, 2013, at 9:14 AM, Benjamin Whitehouse <bpwhitehouse@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I've searched the website and seen many posts for the FCB1010 but canno= t find the answer I am looking for.
>
> I have the FCB1010 and I would like to use it to control a sampler eg a= Roland SP-303 however I have read posts on other forums suggesting that thi= s will not work due to the FCB not sending note on midi messages.
>
> Is anyone here using the FCB1010 with a hardware sampler to trigger sam= ples?
>
> If not, is anyone using a different pedal/sampler arrangement that they= could recommend? I am a keyboard and guitarist and want to be able to trigg= er samples on and off using the footpedal. If the volume pedal can be used t= o control volume, that would be great too.
>
> Thanks!




--
<= br>Benjamin Whitehouse
514.573.5135




--

Benjamin W= hitehouse
514.573.5135

= --Apple-Mail-8983D78B-A370-4AFE-9850-9E4418EA5E66-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 7 18:33:25 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9541A18355E; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 18:33:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=+1vdALpYb+0d8UP5B1XCqGHBmHVX8oRvAaER9A4fZpo=; b=iKI1JEMJ+WDWdPud5Dz/HSrMGoYMKURa+LUurezwQJbEzucYyaJNTuLxRWylxROJ3Z Lo3+CDXEurIN9mVD3MUYmSDqTz+Dl0GhfbnIL2V5j+b8Rxt2QN9u2w4T8oHi93ZkqpyH IWbankvpjAArAE9vHSmYcNsxUi45qI65X604UZ45CiIxUnf6cmHrCsDkWUsUutjBeh21 e97qE/LZQmn9UJO+8UE//OoFYcDLV3Y1EVAi/dfieW7hGw97pwWN/MRjOwth1kgZ2mbI KDRFy/u5sL+ILjOA8NQdKivmDlI9OPEWu89V4ZkENyhpg7AITKbSwtwWLh1Gpnzwj7Ml hDsw== X-Received: by 10.152.6.97 with SMTP id z1mr991001laz.26.1375900572549; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 11:36:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: todd reynolds Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 14:35:32 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler? To: "Looper's Delight" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01493964df89bb04e35fd00a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 18:33:25 +0000 (UTC) --089e01493964df89bb04e35fd00a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm a former FCB1010 user for many years and had no problem sending notes. It takes a minute to learn how to program, or there is an easy iFCB editor from http://wabbitwanch.com to accomplish it, but it should 'just work' when notes are being sent. At the same time, I concur with Jeff. I'm now a happy KMI softstep user, but all their products are phenomenal. I haven't tried the 12 step yet, but I'm sure it's grand. --089e01493964df89bb04e35fd00a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm a former FCB1010 user for many years and had no pr= oblem sending notes. =A0It takes a minute to learn how to program, or there= is an easy iFCB editor from http://wabbitwanch.com to accomplish it, but it should 'just= work' when notes are being sent. =A0

At the same time, I concur with Jeff. =A0I'm now a happy= KMI softstep user, but all their products are phenomenal. =A0I haven't= tried the 12 step yet, =A0but I'm sure it's grand.




--089e01493964df89bb04e35fd00a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 7 18:40:15 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F532183560; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 18:40:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=DNv0mRCrr1BrqFmueswsxD7m+PCMNIneV2eUJrS3FcY=; b=0600w2NMygixDcvXNstkoHruoim7uhy5/OZmwtLU89A+JZMzxJCdYtPXva2YkMruCb itgxv8u8Y91Z5m/AM+suPjs6GOKifuLR671lllwuS3WQfO1NxgaJqsfrM5mXdcrGMg5b cL29Xz8nWcft1r4VtfWZtFWHtvvqGH6XQpXJS3QRh4YS59LAE2HUlkTchKItNVXRRP3y i1TJa8xxtjp9M7QyyDwRJJa9M7inao+Pmyc5bEZR7+9c5/ca3ro1jnk5HvMIcn0AaKs7 lznjXQ/UbYhGLzJhaCLEZWbu3rpjKeXIR87HgwNY7GrxJiYLkPT5IzeKREemKCjFECJv vt5A== X-Received: by 10.112.145.233 with SMTP id sx9mr747869lbb.69.1375900982505; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 11:43:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Benjamin Whitehouse Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 14:42:42 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler? To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b3a840e4ef62104e35fe90b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 18:40:15 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b3a840e4ef62104e35fe90b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks all! I'm now considering selling the FCB1010 and getting a used Jamman for now, and when I'm next flush with cash I'll get a 12 step and 404! On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 2:35 PM, todd reynolds wrote: > I'm a former FCB1010 user for many years and had no problem sending notes. > It takes a minute to learn how to program, or there is an easy iFCB editor > from http://wabbitwanch.com to accomplish it, but it should 'just work' > when notes are being sent. > > At the same time, I concur with Jeff. I'm now a happy KMI softstep user, > but all their products are phenomenal. I haven't tried the 12 step yet, > but I'm sure it's grand. > > > > > -- Benjamin Whitehouse 514.573.5135 bpwhitehouse@gmail.com bpwhitehouse.tumblr.com --047d7b3a840e4ef62104e35fe90b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks all! I'm now considering selling the FCB1010 an= d getting a used Jamman for now, and when I'm next flush with cash I= 9;ll get a 12 step and 404!


On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 2:35 PM, todd reynolds <toddreyn@gmail.com>= wrote:
I'm a former FCB1010 user for many years and had no pr= oblem sending notes. =A0It takes a minute to learn how to program, or there= is an easy iFCB editor from http://wabbitwanch.com to accomplish it, but it should 'just= work' when notes are being sent. =A0

At the same time, I concur with Jeff. =A0I'm now a happy= KMI softstep user, but all their products are phenomenal. =A0I haven't= tried the 12 step yet, =A0but I'm sure it's grand.







--

Benjamin= Whitehouse
514.573.5135
--047d7b3a840e4ef62104e35fe90b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 7 19:07:00 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F46E18355D; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 19:07:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=8GGUyzHt7WN1BIMdtIqhXdVgRgdDdTVavXediK9vY/M=; b=pN1F+kJHh+ZEtEy0TAMKstiU40WjtlF7ppx7ZtsxtFSxsrNHASa2mhw8EFDrE/som1 utSYIWiTp5a73uPpL/Y7oRZZMY3DvW6gkX91Ghp/UlHf5aZ9UuZocZjETC8c8GPCCVnb E20AtIgNnWKo95VXVDfvwKJicMDqDXxbBYu945hEHVBoDBfxPuQc18LtYtYBVuc3iT9E VIC51CM2XsKhiV9cSDNmKtbSLk1MTy3X4aUGPv6q60fz8qTBDCTimVNyvWkQj+1y4UDf bBKivJl5Y2M2hUluvmELmlbWuBqCwGNM9gM5UVq6BNTIQxNzMImzK0hz2edQOvwvEUK4 SiFA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.250.47 with SMTP id yz15mr2080660pac.154.1375902587617; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 12:09:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 15:09:47 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler? From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b10d04bfb0de004e3604888 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 19:07:00 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b10d04bfb0de004e3604888 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm a very satisfied user of a KMI 12-Step, however I use it with a computer. If I were looking for a controller for hardware, that midi expander box would give me pause... I think I'd rather have something that goes straigth to midi (less setup, less equipment to pack or forget to pack, less wires). Sylvain On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Benjamin Whitehouse wrote: > Thanks all! I'm now considering selling the FCB1010 and getting a used > Jamman for now, and when I'm next flush with cash I'll get a 12 step and > 404! > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 2:35 PM, todd reynolds wrote: > >> I'm a former FCB1010 user for many years and had no problem sending >> notes. It takes a minute to learn how to program, or there is an easy iFCB >> editor from http://wabbitwanch.com to accomplish it, but it should 'just >> work' when notes are being sent. >> >> At the same time, I concur with Jeff. I'm now a happy KMI softstep user, >> but all their products are phenomenal. I haven't tried the 12 step yet, >> but I'm sure it's grand. >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > > Benjamin Whitehouse > 514.573.5135 > bpwhitehouse@gmail.com > bpwhitehouse.tumblr.com > > --047d7b10d04bfb0de004e3604888 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm a very satisfied user of a KMI 12-Step, however I = use it with a computer. =A0If I were looking for a controller for hardware,= that midi expander box would give me pause... =A0I think I'd rather ha= ve something that goes straigth to midi (less setup, less equipment to pack= or forget to pack, less wires).

Sylvain


=
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Benjamin Whiteho= use <bpwhitehouse@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks all! I'm now con= sidering selling the FCB1010 and getting a used Jamman for now, and when I&= #39;m next flush with cash I'll get a 12 step and 404!


On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 2:35 PM, todd reynolds <toddreyn@gmail.com>= wrote:
I'm a former FCB1010 user for many years and had no pr= oblem sending notes. =A0It takes a minute to learn how to program, or there= is an easy iFCB editor from http://wabbitwanch.com to accomplish it, but it should 'just= work' when notes are being sent. =A0

At the same time, I concur with Jeff. =A0I'm now a happy= KMI softstep user, but all their products are phenomenal. =A0I haven't= tried the 12 step yet, =A0but I'm sure it's grand.








--047d7b10d04bfb0de004e3604888-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 7 19:59:00 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 113AA18355C; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 19:58:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 1030327588/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.28.105/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.28.105 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBABenAlJYbRxp/2dsb2JhbAANTsJPgTODGQEBBDIBBUARCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAa4XkjKOVIFNFoN4A5FDjDGOVIFw X-IPAS-Result: ApMBABenAlJYbRxp/2dsb2JhbAANTsJPgTODGQEBBDIBBUARCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAa4XkjKOVIFNFoN4A5FDjDGOVIFw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,835,1367967600"; d="scan'208";a="1030327588" Message-ID: <5202A7AC.2070101@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 21:01:48 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: possible fall of this list to a Facebook group, oh no! References: <002501ce933a$15ccc290$416647b0$@mpeters.de> <33d95f2d7cf90b749ae5cac049073c2f.squirrel@www.noahpeterson.com.hostbaby.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 19:58:59 +0000 (UTC) Dennis Moser wrote: > — there's no reason we can't > get into deeper discussion over there. On email, I can snip out just one point from a thread and respond to it On FB, I can't. That's the mechanism by which the in depth discussions flow, more often than not from a trivial start point, and hardly ever because someone tried to start an in depth discussion. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 7 20:20:12 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 203A318355D; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 20:20:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=obK2qZY6lMmFEoe11Nnmzsqr+grWuCYyDhXIWAey/SQ=; b=VIrtCgTDHQdx6QNoGgXt3VKCRLdynuD4VdG615lqHV8wC7VoZezqKR7w1v/u87rt7X fM7wXPeAqK150nWeUVAdj3MrEAlsSKiHaQtbsHBN9b0mV5LTFHgSMM49MXVgALBSOes7 lwc4fRrHPW7WOYTOpxoTcDTGOK00qyd9Ab/wDJn7MxCFZGrM30dpXXy5+yDOr+Eb9WqV /NTHYs02F+oWXU8NieeXJ5Bh2a9mrBhCqPMz2YsoRA6AmlAe6z6k/rxVeGupR9AN/nOF gdXm2bG+ebqpPwgSetzCW89AFJN8cRqxuh1lDPd7E8xC7a102h0JPFcBojnuVIWEm1ex AvpA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.128.6 with SMTP id nk6mr4041657obb.11.1375906979697; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 13:22:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5202A7AC.2070101@tiscali.co.uk> References: <002501ce933a$15ccc290$416647b0$@mpeters.de> <33d95f2d7cf90b749ae5cac049073c2f.squirrel@www.noahpeterson.com.hostbaby.com> <5202A7AC.2070101@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 12:22:59 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: possible fall of this list to a Facebook group, oh no! From: Dennis Moser To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff242a3c4d87b04e3614e1b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 20:20:12 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8ff242a3c4d87b04e3614e1b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually, Andy, you can =85 it just works differently =85 I do it all the t= ime over there. Yes, it tends to flow from the individual who starts a post, but it doesn't mean you can snip and start ... http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 12:01 PM, andy butler wrote= : > > > Dennis Moser wrote: > > =97 there's no reason we can't get into deeper discussion over there. >> > > On email, I can snip out just one point from a thread and respond to it > > On FB, I can't. > > That's the mechanism by which the in depth discussions flow, > more often than not from a trivial start point, and hardly ever > because someone tried to start an in depth discussion. > > andy > > > > > > > > --e89a8ff242a3c4d87b04e3614e1b Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Actually, Andy, you can =85 it just works differently =85 = I do it all the time over there. Yes, it tends to flow from the individual = who starts a post, but it doesn't mean you can snip and start ...
=



On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 12:01 PM, andy bu= tler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:


Dennis Moser wrote:

=A0=97 there's no reason we can't get into deeper discussion over t= here.

On email, I can snip out just one point from a thread and respond to it

On FB, I can't.

That's the mechanism by which the in depth discussions flow,
more often than not from a trivial start point, and hardly ever
because someone tried to start an in depth discussion.

andy








--e89a8ff242a3c4d87b04e3614e1b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 7 20:25:32 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 501B918355D; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 20:25:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 1048684711/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.28.105/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.28.105 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAHStAlJYbRxp/2dsb2JhbAANToM7vxSBM4MYAQEBBDIBBUARCxgJFggHCQMCAQIBNBEZAwGuFJI4jlSBTRaDeAORQ4dIhGmGGIg8gXA X-IPAS-Result: ApMBAHStAlJYbRxp/2dsb2JhbAANToM7vxSBM4MYAQEBBDIBBUARCxgJFggHCQMCAQIBNBEZAwGuFJI4jlSBTRaDeAORQ4dIhGmGGIg8gXA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,835,1367967600"; d="scan'208";a="1048684711" Message-ID: <5202ADE6.1010803@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 21:28:22 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: possible fall of this list to a Facebook group, oh no! References: <002501ce933a$15ccc290$416647b0$@mpeters.de> <33d95f2d7cf90b749ae5cac049073c2f.squirrel@www.noahpeterson.com.hostbaby.com> <5202A7AC.2070101@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 20:25:32 +0000 (UTC) you'll have to show me how :-) andy Dennis Moser wrote: > Actually, Andy, you can … it just works differently … I do it all the > time over there. Yes, it tends to flow from the individual who starts a > post, but it doesn't mean you can snip and start ... > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 12:01 PM, andy butler > wrote: > > > > Dennis Moser wrote: > > — there's no reason we can't get into deeper discussion over > there. > > > On email, I can snip out just one point from a thread and respond to it > > On FB, I can't. > > That's the mechanism by which the in depth discussions flow, > more often than not from a trivial start point, and hardly ever > because someone tried to start an in depth discussion. > > andy > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 7 20:30:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 039E9183560; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 20:30:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=PMRAMSIY+1mBYiSnIiWsNvn5ObMFA7pJlpG26zl3+vs=; b=XABuLgvKNYXvSOzK8wvAEqKSs9fpaiC4z4S2t8zBIr7S1p0/fcQGVXoSWM5NJlJXos C/Js0ZGhVQlsZcXPj8E2pUGlIz4brJ0KHu1PrcUuI6rcXYWzI5kUmLxq78LhYQiZwQWE WKO6NK6OLXVLwDRuu4ySontyaDKi7V4IijWjSQmj5DnoNsodJE9cnmTbvPuS1Lg8COLX 0yKrRcZ3D5AOdWNdq6yTsjfpAVTHB9wjwPgTu/VtEdQQAhBecOwGHU+zIv1Zyyp9e5jZ ym4PBzLeNXyL2mfPqh9CMc9HOfjAIbRziguJSYcDRaSKE8yZFhE/iHcXikyDkfMxb9kJ a8cQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.179.35 with SMTP id dd3mr1936112oec.53.1375907581670; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 13:33:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5202ADE6.1010803@tiscali.co.uk> References: <002501ce933a$15ccc290$416647b0$@mpeters.de> <33d95f2d7cf90b749ae5cac049073c2f.squirrel@www.noahpeterson.com.hostbaby.com> <5202A7AC.2070101@tiscali.co.uk> <5202ADE6.1010803@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 12:33:01 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: possible fall of this list to a Facebook group, oh no! From: Dennis Moser To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0118470ea63bc004e361728f Resent-Message-ID: <7ZJDqC.A.KuG.V5qASB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 20:30:13 +0000 (UTC) --089e0118470ea63bc004e361728f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Will do =85 I'll try and do a screen cap video =85 Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 12:28 PM, andy butler wrote= : > you'll have to show me how :-) > > > > andy > > Dennis Moser wrote: > >> Actually, Andy, you can =85 it just works differently =85 I do it all th= e >> time over there. Yes, it tends to flow from the individual who starts a >> post, but it doesn't mean you can snip and start ... >> >> http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin >> http://audiozoloft.com >> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.**com/ >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 12:01 PM, andy butler > akbutler@tiscali.co.uk**>> wrote: >> >> >> >> Dennis Moser wrote: >> >> =97 there's no reason we can't get into deeper discussion over >> there. >> >> >> On email, I can snip out just one point from a thread and respond to >> it >> >> On FB, I can't. >> >> That's the mechanism by which the in depth discussions flow, >> more often than not from a trivial start point, and hardly ever >> because someone tried to start an in depth discussion. >> >> andy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > --089e0118470ea63bc004e361728f Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Will do =85 I'll try and do a screen cap video =85=A0<= div>
Dennis



On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 12:28 PM, andy bu= tler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
you'll have to show me how :-)



andy

Dennis Moser wrote:
Actually, Andy, you can =85 it just works differently =85 I do it all the t= ime over there. Yes, it tends to flow from the individual who starts a post= , but it doesn't mean you can snip and start ...

http://soundclo= ud.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com=
http://usrsla= shsbin.angrek.com/


On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 12:01 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk <mailto:akbutler@tiscali.c= o.uk>> wrote:



=A0 =A0 Dennis Moser wrote:

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=97 there's no reason we can't get into deeper d= iscussion over
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 there.


=A0 =A0 On email, I can snip out just one point from a thread and respond t= o it

=A0 =A0 On FB, I can't.

=A0 =A0 That's the mechanism by which the in depth discussions flow, =A0 =A0 more often than not from a trivial start point, and hardly ever
=A0 =A0 because someone tried to start an in depth discussion.

=A0 =A0 andy










--089e0118470ea63bc004e361728f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 7 21:05:18 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78EEF18355C; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 21:05:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopersdelight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 543 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at arsenic; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 21:05:17 UTC Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 15:59:00 -0500 Subject: NW LoopFest From: "Noah Peterson" To: loopers-delight@loopersdelight.com Reply-To: noah@noahpeterson.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0-dM7C.A.hHH.OarASB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 21:05:18 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, I wanted to say thanks for the responses from interested artists who responded to my call for the NW LoopFest. I'm very excited about the line-up. I've brought back a significant portion of the locals from last year. They were great; but I can't wait to see them with their jaws on the floor when the newcomers take the stage. I'm certain I'm going to be with them, mouth agape with a giant, stupid grin on my face. These are the current confirmed acts. I am full but can work in some more talent if there are any hold-outs. A lot of these people you don't know. Some are like me and stick to song forms and some are freaks. Karma Bomb especially. You really need to be in the room for the power of it to wash over you. Video and audio recordings just don't do it justice. If there are ANY Seattle loopers on this list, please send me a message - you are woefully under-represented. Noah Peterson - San Antonio, TX Karma Bomb - Seattle, Washington * Lucid Brain Integrative Project - Paris, France Consumer - Portland, OR Ben Beauvais of Waffle Taco - Portland, OR * Polemic Contriver - Portland, OR Eastside Industrial - Portland, OR Tukso Okey - Seattle, WA Rejyna Douglass-Whitman - Columbus, OH ANI - San Francisco, CA Stephen Briggs - Napier, New Zealand Forrest Roush - North Bend, WA The Damaged Done - Kampong Sungai Buloh, Selangor, Malaysia Bill Walker - Santa Cruz, CA Gideon Freudmann - Portland, OR Forever Growing - Portland, OR Moongriffin - Portland, OR Cellotronik - Portland, OR * Isaac Thompson - Vienna, Austia Eric Buchner - Portland, OR * Chris Ingold - Portland, OR * Hans Lindauer - Portland, OR *2012 NW LoopFest performer. The San Antonio LoopFest is crawling along at a snails pace. But it is going to happen. One way or another. Birthing process are always difficult. Loopers: Life on repeat! Noah Peterson Entertainment, Llc 999 East Basse Road #180-117 San Antonio, TX 78209 503-703-9516 -- www.noahpeterson.com www.petersonentertainment.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 7 23:19:17 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C64C18355E; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 23:19:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 992248.64791.bm@omp1027.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1375917723; bh=oBIqoU0I6YMf2eFlwUiB1K6WjjZsCDGxsVLSpm5zy1Y=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5nsb2eoGWjkiZHSVRUBpCCrTMVn4FIvVNLMu+jF7MDpkA+rvm3ivh7oFJ0nWDsAYPFmnivgHqycrxqqAbJlmicus4ehIOj7/sekkrS8rmLFIY24eCp/PPEThSMM5/+OSwsEQwJ7UvSem8J7c0RavUaeJ90bBfMv2fpS4Q1DBTSo= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=O9xhzV+hvhmLlxCntrNSy30MEpRzwgC51kHD+etI6uhYrJrB408q0j00Tnjn2+ZlDvk84ueTFuE+MF+B1iBBM92VMwn08aSpa6StfPdxuhZRDaOOH27COJrmcAHFcEqizieEk1wRP3NlF3KUdXTk3Tvxi4AO0Xu1KEaIpDu1dQE=; X-YMail-OSG: jZG.wsQVM1mI11c4Kqgwpz484.cmwwuh7pKPud_n2UWaNFT pTiOZqLfhGngkEKV_BFnnqt61sgnpeAbnfRwquZOuU85Q0WpLrhQWqVmKSfP 9KTkBh8Gy8WM.vanD2n4yw.k56q9wm3acVmjLBPBMWOeZ.dZrBo_hjDXfvAn hQtrbvbDxybpWnH_AvZPno97zF9yQBteQrYYe94SfvZGV9j7Kk3izHGeaBJe XIrL9m0HilzKmduEQ1x48mWEt.9Bc2hB9b9LbgH3KCsXYd5A5kygwdpISbmU rBvuHJtGLJOKgiaN8dDeqROlQ7iSRMiudytJNNGCcHEvvfnibHVxBgYzo.Df 0KaI0DD2DPGIoGQYx93tRnhvPhZnoiLE2WOmaqJhxbQWsvr6BZkoQv8gYk6i TQNAu9kiMUchaV9uKRK3.yYjuGOYT2_l2j2M2X.lgw9fGzlff34Fd6jQcuCS 3jDABnhmTzG8B_YsGFMKvvcdHy0HDPYsfsCaXkIwtnHatmW0G4YYTXBs9XnJ 4ebvmLKNILw7eXlx94ClT7LI0Jldbabz0sL93GUzv3xpBoDOOKUWlTybk..8 9.h0TYch7qZRKfbWHOTB8YwTnE5lv2iHGA8lAn4L_dpqcwOA- X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,SSB3YXMgZ29pbmcgdGhyb3VnaCBvbGQgcmVjZWlwdHMgcmVjZW50bHkgYW5kIGNhbWUgYWNyb3NzIGEgY291cGxlIGZyb20gQWx0byBNdXNpYyBmb3IgRURQcy4KwqAKR29kLCBJIHdpc2ggdGhvc2UgY291bGQgc3RpbGwgYmUgaGFkIGZvciAyMDAzIHByaWNlcyBuZXcuIArCoApPaCwgZXZlbiBzdHJhbmdlciBzdGlsbCwgZm91bmQgYSByZWNlaXB0IGZvciBhIEphbW1hbiBmcm9tIFRob3JvdWdoYnJlZCBNdXNpYy4gTXkgZmlyc3QgbG9vcGVyLiAKwqAKUHJlc2VudGx5LCB1c2luZyBhIFJvbGFuZCBSQyA1MCwBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.152.567 References: <002501ce933a$15ccc290$416647b0$@mpeters.de> <33d95f2d7cf90b749ae5cac049073c2f.squirrel@www.noahpeterson.com.hostbaby.com> <5202A7AC.2070101@tiscali.co.uk> <5202ADE6.1010803@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <1375917723.64090.YahooMailNeo@web161405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 16:22:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Reply-To: Paul Richards Subject: Nostalgia To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <5202ADE6.1010803@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1298779297-915478275-1375917723=:64090" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 23:19:16 +0000 (UTC) --1298779297-915478275-1375917723=:64090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was going through old receipts recently and came across a couple from Alt= o Music for EDPs.=0A=A0=0AGod, I wish those could still be had for 2003 pri= ces new. =0A=A0=0AOh, even stranger still, found a receipt for a Jamman fro= m Thoroughbred Music. My first looper. =0A=A0=0APresently, using a Roland R= C 50, which isn't bad. =0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0APaul --1298779297-915478275-1375917723=:64090 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was goin= g through old receipts recently and came across a couple from Alto Music for EDPs.
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God, I wish those could still be had for 2003 prices new. =
 
Oh, even stranger still, found a receipt for a = Jamman from Thoroughbred Music. My first looper.
 
Presently, using a Roland RC 50, which isn't bad.
 
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Paul

    
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I have Gordius Big Little Giant MIDI foot controlle= r I would like to sell
It is in perfe= ct condition and has the latest updates
i am proposing it here before putting i= t on ebay

Please contact me offline

Antony Hequet 
poet composer

antony.hequet@yahoo.fr

---30515679-1806866610-1375938703=:79041-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 15:44:10 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2742F183562; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 15:44:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: William Walker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: possible fall of this list to a Facebook group, oh no! Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 08:46:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 15:44:10 +0000 (UTC) I'm one of those people who rarely contributes to this site anymore, = but I still get it in digest form and try to keep up. The facebook way = is certainly more immediate, particularly for sharing video and sound = clips, and trivial as it may be, I enjoy the social interaction, = levity, and promotional aspect, though like any social networking, one = needs to be careful to maintain a real life. One personal reason I don't = contribute as much is, that I'm still using older technology, and I've = said about all I can say about my looping strategies, with this = technology. I imagine I will be posting more now that I have a proper = lap top and will start making the transition to that technology as time = and money permits. I'll certainly be asking a lot of questions:) Bill= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 15:50:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FA7818355A; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 15:50:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:in-reply-to:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=txwGtHV3P1QDZ10Q0sSMzCQ85qFXKdz/RM1x9SmlsfU=; b=bBzJevazsQzn4LRmpg3wDRrn0rQ4VncZtWGrVmq9+nXXIf7soFk1sSja+97bN9Ee6w mVJe7/o5MdIPpPjFdbk4RTBVIh7dBjMCHRq3A/GT3ZhYwx++uLoJJfjSxQyddxlqpMzA jE6EUGQRvW7E/scbbGgzZW9OoXoVSYIwCJpiIWQ2elUGVyIHItlqIPNIisxPN6hujw3S SEewzgOURqoQDOG+AN0vjcwBj5NXJfg6OUspGzFZ1atPUwQYYMObTgsQk7PtUC6XTmA4 qmCHGNsSFvHrHjsTIhk8/JWMRt4lhJeIlpOf79qL7YzQDNEjdLd+HECrLaatPYlerUiO HIdA== X-Received: by 10.52.175.232 with SMTP id cd8mr2829552vdc.84.1375977166834; Thu, 08 Aug 2013 08:52:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: possible fall of this list to a Facebook group, oh no! References: From: Todd Reynolds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B329) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <05F5F339-87F4-46A8-904A-CD0445AA97F3@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 11:52:41 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 15:50:03 +0000 (UTC) And we'll all be here to answer them! Sent from my iPhone On Aug 8, 2013, at 11:46 AM, William Walker wrote: > I'll certainly be asking a lot of questions:) > Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 16:03:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19EF1183561; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 16:03:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=vokiirVBWsRLCIzlfoBpsIAsoz6IPnJbWtHaevVINcU=; b=YCRfeAJafhkgBMW5CQl/21IGFlAwVL7HtvTmFTqDlh2lN2GEaa+ZlcvWzENfuxeWOG dUXAv8Dw9D8qUhJn85wh9ZidkkM3ibGZwXm4JaCiJtZ+x+9DFITcGjMtnTCJtb7riMNB 8fSxmLCTjBPdU97OcQYTXIA083k/LCMc22FfARgG8bqNbnQERkcrrK3nNv1DYufZthgP BU2vuTHQmFDCy6IVFjaR9QRP0T6b8K5Q3eK0XQmG3JH8hEog2TfOL8oHURphH/xS/vWD txc348JIAffR2SgTl8Hayl9JdaBewLvxX8xa0yim1KQHxOK+oh73YlAQg83EQ7kh5/Nm ioNg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmQHSbISwoum7/NnMWZcHgl2fjj4k8iAuDOVeQ3wXJoOkk9Ou9Jn0XafOgGWhTi3q7hGrffBwHWyeySDDYojIiGi+zx5gWwxxc4pOF5R1yND2MzDRKe9FVjDFlAB6QfnaWpXllt7TNf6iGBkUZezsjcQPrlkQicw1UojsuYvymA41sNGksMJmep7BPywoe9s4bC2ePE X-Received: by 10.58.168.202 with SMTP id zy10mr3611710veb.23.1375977955547; Thu, 08 Aug 2013 09:05:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.58.168.202 with SMTP id zy10mr3611703veb.23.1375977955448; Thu, 08 Aug 2013 09:05:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <05F5F339-87F4-46A8-904A-CD0445AA97F3@gmail.com> References: <05F5F339-87F4-46A8-904A-CD0445AA97F3@gmail.com> From: Philip Conway Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 17:05:34 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: possible fall of this list to a Facebook group, oh no! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b67343440ee3904e371d573 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 16:03:14 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b67343440ee3904e371d573 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I don't know it says about me but I wasn't even aware that there was a Facebook group! For what it's worth I like the mailing list format. It's a bit retro I suppose but there's nothing wrong with it. I use Google Mail and have a folder specially for emails from this list. All messages go instead of my main inbox and I can read them at my leisure. Emails on a single topic get grouped together and can be read in order. I actually find it to be very simple and convenient. Philip. On 8 August 2013 16:52, Todd Reynolds wrote: > And we'll all be here to answer them! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 8, 2013, at 11:46 AM, William Walker > wrote: > > > I'll certainly be asking a lot of questions:) > > Bill > > --047d7b67343440ee3904e371d573 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don't know it says about me but I wasn't even aw= are that there was a Facebook group!

For what it's w= orth I like the mailing list format. =A0It's a bit retro I suppose but = there's nothing wrong with it. =A0I use Google Mail and have a folder s= pecially for emails from this list. =A0All messages go instead of my main i= nbox and I can read them at my leisure. =A0Emails on a single topic get gro= uped together and can be read in order. =A0I actually find it to be very si= mple and convenient.


Philip.


On 8 August 2013 16:52, Todd Reyno= lds <toddreyn@gmail.com> wrote:
And we'll all be here to answer them!
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 8, 2013, at 11:46 AM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:

> =A0I'll certainly be asking a lot of questions:)
> Bill


--047d7b67343440ee3904e371d573-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 16:09:29 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBF2C18355D; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 16:09:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=FhuO5H0RpL7wwXfAsL+lGutt3QEW4o9AaKFNPxyScd4=; b=w+37kZGM9qhY8/NmKkbW+s7O3wrYHWmbPl/bMIX7MtjYNiSDzQ0hsm941yKtjshAsl 0djVkIprcSWoSfoVhr82PHBzNvslg3R9UjipzibNFBHWha6NJGhY5D1vmRLMLfJ8UBNs Wcvrbk3OHV90Ik1zTE9jiRXAvYBEQNPf7rY+wCw18pxQPCbK8A0odw1s/NU3wM891hM0 HMWN/EQeddZn0jGhi7j7cx/8O/Ucme8Om/gtlC76sEojHQaOb3K0ZHq7jSqO9ZJ3/QPW FU76R98RDRxf0RV73K2rpnGlQfPOl+KF1SV0Kau25HHquobzt7ewRMmf+v088wrr1AIJ a1yw== X-Received: by 10.182.22.5 with SMTP id z5mr6613720obe.42.1375978331424; Thu, 08 Aug 2013 09:12:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: ljova.work@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <05F5F339-87F4-46A8-904A-CD0445AA97F3@gmail.com> References: <05F5F339-87F4-46A8-904A-CD0445AA97F3@gmail.com> From: "Lev 'Ljova' Zhurbin" Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 12:11:51 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4tpQ2uAPXw8cR4X6fa6Plxl-QjU Message-ID: Subject: Re: possible fall of this list to a Facebook group, oh no! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1133232ea9ce9604e371eb04 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 16:09:29 +0000 (UTC) --001a1133232ea9ce9604e371eb04 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 for what it's worth, I'm not on Facebook - so if you close this list, I wouldn't be able to read or respond to it... and I enjoy it! Facebook would be much more difficult to search through topics, by sender, date, etc. -- and in the end, when Facebook becomes just another has-been social media site like Friendster, you wouldn't be able to download your list's archives - just like MySpace killed the MySpace blogs. So, for my sake, please keep this going..:) thanks! -- Lev 'Ljova' Zhurbin Web: http://www.Ljova.com Watch: http://www.Ljova.com/watch Listen: http://Ljova.bandcamp.com IMDb: http://imdb.me/Ljova Follow: http://twitter.com/ljovadotcom --001a1133232ea9ce9604e371eb04 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
for what it's worth, I'm not on Facebook - so= if you close this list, I wouldn't be able to read or respond to it...= =A0 and I enjoy it!
Facebook would be much more difficult to = search through topics, by sender, date, etc. -- and in the end, when Facebo= ok becomes just another has-been social media site like Friendster, you wou= ldn't be able to download your list's archives - just like MySpace = killed the MySpace blogs.

So, for my sake, please keep this going..:)

thanks!

--
Lev 'Ljova' Zhurbin

Web: <= a href=3D"http://www.Ljova.com">http://www.Ljova.com
Watch: http://www.Ljova.com/watch
Listen: http://Ljova.bandcamp.com=
IMDb: http://imdb.me/Ljova
Foll= ow: http://twitter.com/ljovadotc= om


--001a1133232ea9ce9604e371eb04-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 17:15:49 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C4AE18355E; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 17:15:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=HlRBc0kWou67Qaw4Q4AZupZ6ig2pUIiBFlgHzFkrnOE=; b=BLfMRYTGRqbR5pPrK/eCfXlpmLHzBfQgTjjfTdawJ3gqQG8KXtxHQqZRyrsY4T7V9f aKRKs9KBEym9wIgEvjVqWT7FseGduLsFzoWg7zE9TX+H5iTPRPa0Lpx9SdFY/IqE6y6J uldYBSBLmUR3ZZXZRDj98YiqA/WbHCQ+NnG2hQYan6reDFRN40F5RXf4SFd07gsaGm3R JI1TDdW5bTOo+8T/PVHHax4WT2TGpwErKVJJMWo7myNOI46D09CV3wmTRM+HZpc09Tqt Fppz5VPIuDKF5dfx8rScXWD5eXFyNFEL98Vkkb6loM5ekgcEQ2m/078ovMRsWiq6PqRI TrXw== X-Received: by 10.152.27.40 with SMTP id q8mr4120851lag.75.1375982311822; Thu, 08 Aug 2013 10:18:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <05F5F339-87F4-46A8-904A-CD0445AA97F3@gmail.com> From: todd reynolds Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 13:17:46 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: possible fall of this list to a Facebook group, oh no! To: "Looper's Delight" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0158c5aae9db6304e372d826 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 17:15:49 +0000 (UTC) --089e0158c5aae9db6304e372d826 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This list will remain as long as Violet says it shall. (sorry if someone else is contributing to it also that I'm not aware of) I'm so thankful that she maintains it as it's a memory to our wonderful and dear founder, Kim Flint. I enjoy the facebook page oh so much as there is so much more posting there and I don't have to leave the page to see and hear much of it. Makes it much easier than the list can provide. and when there ARE comments and a thread worth following, I can follow it or share with ease. That said, this list has its charm, and I'll never unsubscribe as I'd miss my brethren and sistren whom I respect and learn from so much. Yes, Lev, for your sake, and for all of our collective sakes, it remains. Hail to Looper's Delight=85 and to Kim, always. T. On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Lev 'Ljova' Zhurbin wrote= : > for what it's worth, I'm not on Facebook - so if you close this list, I > wouldn't be able to read or respond to it... and I enjoy it! > Facebook would be much more difficult to search through topics, by sender= , > date, etc. -- and in the end, when Facebook becomes just another has-been > social media site like Friendster, you wouldn't be able to download your > list's archives - just like MySpace killed the MySpace blogs. > > So, for my sake, please keep this going..:) > > thanks! > > -- > Lev 'Ljova' Zhurbin > > --089e0158c5aae9db6304e372d826 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This list will remain as long as Violet says it shall. (so= rry if someone else is contributing to it also that I'm not aware of) = =A0I'm so thankful that she maintains it as it's a memory to our wo= nderful and dear founder, Kim Flint. =A0

I enjoy the facebook page oh so much as there is so much mor= e posting there and I don't have to leave the page to see and hear much= of it. =A0Makes it much easier than the list can provide. =A0and when ther= e ARE comments and a thread worth following, I can follow it or share with = ease. =A0

That said, this list has its charm, and I'll never = unsubscribe as I'd miss my brethren and sistren whom I respect and lear= n from so much. =A0Yes, Lev, for your sake, and for all of our collective s= akes, it remains.

Hail to Looper's Delight=85 and to Kim, alway= s.=A0

T.


On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Lev = 'Ljova' Zhurbin <ljova@ljova.com> wrote:
for what it's wort= h, I'm not on Facebook - so if you close this list, I wouldn't be a= ble to read or respond to it...=A0 and I enjoy it!
Facebook would be much more difficult to search through topics, = by sender, date, etc. -- and in the end, when Facebook becomes just another= has-been social media site like Friendster, you wouldn't be able to do= wnload your list's archives - just like MySpace killed the MySpace blog= s.

So, for my sake, please keep this going..:)

thanks!

--
Lev 'Ljova' Zhurbin

=
--089e0158c5aae9db6304e372d826-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 19:53:57 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8352718355D; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 19:53:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com x-originating-ip: 208.109.97.160 Message-ID: <5203F7F4.6080207@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2013 15:56:36 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3UVL4.A.c-.Vd_ASB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 19:53:57 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY http://galactictravels.info Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Dan Pound. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Medusazoa" on Pound Sounds. The Special Focus page is at http://soundscapes.us/gt/playlists/2013/focus.html#aug Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 08:35:01 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1D0418355D; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 08:35:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com x-originating-ip: 208.109.97.160 Message-ID: <5205FBCD.1020408@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 04:37:33 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Thought Radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 08:35:01 +0000 (UTC) THOUGHT RADIO http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio My next stint on Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show, will be Saturday, August 10 at 6 am EDT/GMT-4. In Phase One, I will continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. I host the show about every other week. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 10:43:33 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D94F18355C; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 10:43:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 451 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at arsenic; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 10:43:33 UTC From: In Mobile Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Nostalgia Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 12:38:36 +0200 Message-Id: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) Resent-Message-ID: <8D08jB.A.2yB.VlhBSB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 10:43:33 +0000 (UTC) Ah I got my first looper (lexicon JamMan) and my Vortex from Alto to France = with this. Talking of Nostalgia, I just found back the old project CD set from 99=85 Olivier http://soundcloud.com/in-mobile= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 16:48:40 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D02718355D; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:48:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: William Walker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Taking the plunge Message-Id: Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 09:51:07 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:48:40 +0000 (UTC) So I am ready to finally take the plunge. I'm going to start with = Mobius running in Ableton, for the following reasons, being able to run = in Ableton will allow me to take advantage of synced effects and = routing options and Mobius is the only platform that I know of that does = the sus 8th effect (correct me if I'm wrong), which I have been doing on = the Looperlative known as quantize replace.=20 Other than that I'm curios if its possible to do multiple command = scripts in Mobius so that for example one midi foot switch command could = tell one group of tracks to start playing when another track or group of = tracks stops playing, in essence be able to create verse/ chorus / = bridge parts on the fly, I've been using multiple script commands for a = few years now primarily in this simple way, though the script itself is = 6 commands long, which makes me wondering about being able to migrate = this work flow to Mobius. Years ago when I moved from a Repeater to a = Looperlative there were things I had to give up, time stretch being one = of them and the cool Mellotron effects one could achieve triggering loop = samples via midi guitar, But now as then I'm not afraid to give up a few = parlor tricks. I'm also wondering about what other platforms people are using and why = they like that platform. As time permits I want to try several different = ones once I get my work flow happening in Mobius and Ableton. Thanks Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 16:52:25 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67FAF18355D; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:52:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=AAIBFBe2XDeRVBBBuE6oOLIVYrO7Bqla4lUVzpqnF1g=; b=N+9Bd/AimqIbYLAzuVnfuELizee4TxRbKLnrlTrVOmH2aIx5Fi/oRRTIZY8/sDIRNI bWRFFaIXtrgBzIA52WEVLED8d79Rh9/E2S14ij9f8r1FnK7rz4M3f7G+WEqZs11U90OW vhwUZUJTlTZ1+WRu98+6qYQqYBOGfKIV40jG7C32RYNGmXlFFD8vOWxdBFSckutwBmfm m4jMY3Bu8cwIIBoXH2RL/NROiHQIacvmPwanhteFzkRd0y3Qmbsw5W40MW7NeRzaV2Jb N3gVAD3aYzsczx0xRSSCr3UhSpIJ+B4VugbeTNLaBEdTWYnaM+gcX4ZuKM9/smZtHFXc YXKg== X-Received: by 10.14.223.1 with SMTP id u1mr5177448eep.10.1376153698240; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 09:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Subject: Re: Taking the plunge From: Simeon Harris In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 17:54:55 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5AEA60CA-ECD9-41A7-9743-4D2B4ABB4A28@googlemail.com> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:52:25 +0000 (UTC) cool skool, bill! you'll get plenty of help here, of course and i have a bunch of scripts = you may like. send me an email and i'll sort you out sim On 10 Aug 2013, at 17:51, William Walker wrote: > So I am ready to finally take the plunge. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 16:55:34 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7A36183561; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:55:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-08-10_06:2013-08-09,2013-08-10,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1308100163 Subject: Re: Taking the plunge References: From: Andrrew Owens Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B329) In-reply-to: Message-id: <55902195-BDD3-4473-BA9D-8F9D9F42371A@icloud.com> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 12:57:42 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit MIME-version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:55:34 +0000 (UTC) No way Willie!!! On Aug 10, 2013, at 12:51 PM, William Walker wrote: > So I am ready to finally take the plunge. I'm going to start with = > Mobius running in Ableton, for the following reasons, being able to run = > in Ableton will allow me to take advantage of synced effects and = > routing options and Mobius is the only platform that I know of that does = > the sus 8th effect (correct me if I'm wrong), which I have been doing on = > the Looperlative known as quantize replace.=20 > Other than that I'm curios if its possible to do multiple command = > scripts in Mobius so that for example one midi foot switch command could = > tell one group of tracks to start playing when another track or group of = > tracks stops playing, in essence be able to create verse/ chorus / = > bridge parts on the fly, I've been using multiple script commands for a = > few years now primarily in this simple way, though the script itself is = > 6 commands long, which makes me wondering about being able to migrate = > this work flow to Mobius. Years ago when I moved from a Repeater to a = > Looperlative there were things I had to give up, time stretch being one = > of them and the cool Mellotron effects one could achieve triggering loop = > samples via midi guitar, But now as then I'm not afraid to give up a few = > parlor tricks. > I'm also wondering about what other platforms people are using and why = > they like that platform. As time permits I want to try several different = > ones once I get my work flow happening in Mobius and Ableton. > Thanks > Bill > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 16:55:46 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81EEF18355A; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:55:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-08-10_06:2013-08-09,2013-08-10,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1308100163 Subject: Re: Taking the plunge References: From: Andrrew Owens Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B329) In-reply-to: Message-id: Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 12:58:08 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit MIME-version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:55:46 +0000 (UTC) Right behind you!!! On Aug 10, 2013, at 12:51 PM, William Walker wrote: > So I am ready to finally take the plunge. I'm going to start with = > Mobius running in Ableton, for the following reasons, being able to run = > in Ableton will allow me to take advantage of synced effects and = > routing options and Mobius is the only platform that I know of that does = > the sus 8th effect (correct me if I'm wrong), which I have been doing on = > the Looperlative known as quantize replace.=20 > Other than that I'm curios if its possible to do multiple command = > scripts in Mobius so that for example one midi foot switch command could = > tell one group of tracks to start playing when another track or group of = > tracks stops playing, in essence be able to create verse/ chorus / = > bridge parts on the fly, I've been using multiple script commands for a = > few years now primarily in this simple way, though the script itself is = > 6 commands long, which makes me wondering about being able to migrate = > this work flow to Mobius. Years ago when I moved from a Repeater to a = > Looperlative there were things I had to give up, time stretch being one = > of them and the cool Mellotron effects one could achieve triggering loop = > samples via midi guitar, But now as then I'm not afraid to give up a few = > parlor tricks. > I'm also wondering about what other platforms people are using and why = > they like that platform. As time permits I want to try several different = > ones once I get my work flow happening in Mobius and Ableton. > Thanks > Bill > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 16:58:39 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8A1518355D; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:58:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:in-reply-to:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=hYvsbJXeqHi0d4mFTFdAonk9J+yV5Hi7LMBbNk61g5s=; b=OXwvZvz4ljztILe6PU3C+nkRmZYlioObhfwg4LO/qAZ/mTloyd5A/1cLd37wZHIzYW 90rFOKagGmO7PiOqP+0v/hEH9g1OWSep4jZVhUiKvOrh0ACfEVnD/o5LaBw6OdIOM7HN 99CWT/pMj0cTg4Hp8JXx9J35+Xa1dgs7kniNqOUiBn3oV9VgHv+5+xTSGdZZywoXFZyM sAZD5Vd4XHH6vb72pW+pthh2tthyj6HKuusF2zVVLRyQIMaF33HYlFXLSfviaVydGxuY RfxR4rMKbbHzXHLmD1GCRzV30D6v0ncvZskN+FVQU2UKy4B+Dd5ufd9+mEHGkjp8JH4U NYHg== X-Received: by 10.52.92.16 with SMTP id ci16mr2494450vdb.88.1376154072518; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 10:01:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Taking the plunge References: From: Todd Reynolds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B329) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 13:01:09 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:58:39 +0000 (UTC) Yes Bill, that is not only possible, but easy. Not to volunteer Per, but I k= now he'd write that script in a minute and a half. As long as it takes to ty= pe! Sent from my iPhone On Aug 10, 2013, at 12:51 PM, William Walker wrote:= > =20 > Other than that I'm curios if its possible to do multiple command =3D > scripts in Mobius so that for example one midi foot switch command could =3D= > tell one group of tracks to start playing when another track or group of =3D= > tracks stops playing, in essence be able to create verse/ chorus / =3D > bridge parts on the fly, I've been using multiple script commands for a =3D= > few years now primarily in this simple way, though the script itself is =3D= > 6 commands long, which makes me wondering about being able to migrate =3D >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 17:44:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3F7118355B; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 17:44:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 1049201156/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.187.29/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.187.29 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApUBAK57BlJV0rsd/2dsb2JhbAANTr8Cg2qBL4MYAQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYgGpjORZpAIOhaDewOdeY5Y X-IPAS-Result: ApUBAK57BlJV0rsd/2dsb2JhbAANTr8Cg2qBL4MYAQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYgGpjORZpAIOhaDewOdeY5Y X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,852,1367967600"; d="scan'208";a="1049201156" Message-ID: <52067C9A.2090304@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 18:47:06 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Taking the plunge References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 17:44:22 +0000 (UTC) William Walker wrote: > Mobius is the only platform that I know of that does = > the sus 8th effect (correct me if I'm wrong), Echoloop does that. ...but I don't think it's as neat as Mobius for multitracking. > I'm also wondering about what other platforms people are using and why = > they like that platform. As soon as you start finding Ableton a bit frustrating you might want to look at Plogue Bidule. Bidule is really a lot easier for routing audio, it's exactly the same as plugging together hardware. Plus it has completely flexible sync. i.e. to the extent you could even run a number of loops at different tempi and sync fx to each. Routing Midi is totally transparent, just like routing audio (which it certainly isn't in Ableton). Luckily there's plenty of experience here in working around Ableton hassles, so hope you can thrive with it. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 17:52:42 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE2C418355B; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 17:52:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1041 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at arsenic; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 17:52:42 UTC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 10:37:52 -0700 From: Amy X Neuburg To: Subject: Re: Taking the plunge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: X-Sender: amyx@isproductions.com User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.8.5 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - zosma.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - isproductions.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 17:52:42 +0000 (UTC) I use Mobius as a stand-alone, with Logic running simultaneously as a host for Battery, Kontact, etc. Absolutely stable that way. I've also got each Mobius track coming back into a separate channel of my on-stage mixer so I can control/process the loopers individually. Requires the schlepping of the mixer, but I like this manual control. Some day might look into using Mobius in plug-in mode and processing within Logic (or maybe Mainstage), and switching to just a small assignable fader box for stage, but it'd require weeks of re-programming every single song and would be be much harder to make changes on the fly.... so feh. On 08/10/2013 9:51 am, William Walker wrote: > I'm also wondering about what other platforms people are using and why > = > they like that platform. As time permits I want to try several > different = > ones once I get my work flow happening in Mobius and Ableton. > Thanks > Bill -- πππππππππππππππππππ Amy X Neuburg http://www.amyxneuburg.com πππππππππππππππππππ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 17:53:20 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58192183558; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 17:53:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=p7QlmIKbEr9m198EoQoGxOP8f+VgtFqjQgF/9mAJ2qg=; b=0ncej0WIJSI2fzOwPvjfKrb8coFRWsCV17zQS8xPLJP26hpxZyl+jMIzAxXWMU9NNS YoCQOdm7GKYCvR8Ts4rHog8bjGqgsqwdyVbEt+jHhYMtqkde/W7Gsc87CXJPIX5P3LVB z/rNwjxBX8/dtoO8aEtA298EDOhmjDDxfR4IlqwddzwDBWZxMnOnezrRGR16HFi+1KIB Tsf7YChFqzy1Fgn+XDUeVdh/UMpTWO/UqU3+Z0eC/uKmY1tsTIXo7r5ParXeSQkEYmrl bXmmP4FRyVnu3umsYme5ir6120rmh92f4d5HX8F6azMlOUczd9byxcC7DS1qZRixLUdH hDZg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.187.162 with SMTP id ft2mr2536062vdc.10.1376157353656; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 10:55:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:55:53 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Taking the plunge From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 17:53:20 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 6:51 PM, William Walker wrote: > scripts in Mobius so that for example one midi foot switch command could = > tell one group of tracks to start playing when another track or group of = > tracks stops playing, in essence be able to create verse/ chorus / = > bridge parts on the fly, Wouldn't it be easier to regard each Mobius track as "a virtual EDP" and stack those "verse" and "chorus" loops? Then group the tracks and go "NextLoop", "PreviusLoop" or "Loop X". With the SwitchQuant set to Cycle this would be very playable and work the same for one single track with several stacked loops as for any grouping of tracks. > I'm also wondering about what other platforms people are using and why = I have Live (since version 3) but prefer Mainstage today. The reason is that the graphics are modular and configurable. (actually looking into selling my Live license as I've realised I don't need it any more) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 18:01:51 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7D2618355C; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 18:01:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=tA4PmoyRcXNIeRhx0KiKBLNteUHc83kOf54qtwV19SU=; b=yhlY/Sfy4O2fuNiLLnMNmFL+BZY0ocsLJcmtiG9SJxmsm8ctXEVj+5WDEz6oRXLZUN kHaOcuLPmYNcdpEUfnhq/l/49BJ0y8X1DYwipk+JPq6G4j8oa5DaTU5uZE4p688Glchv fT69QAIPP4iBA0cxSJ6jAhZILrwe+jxYrADxae/yhvsn9C0P0nu/yrEmfnCtzU23ORCU YTEfOJdPj6Rqr1Nh6IwJnmcSP7/3gwlXL0bFh/Cy80QX5Uffqc60TGolYYnGbzN8EbEU /sacqzIb67Bi/PZqFtjs+0d5FyNO05ZWnTg6Fg6e6FUMjlcZx3DBfbDVmUufAJ9PWlv2 RDqQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.103.101 with SMTP id fv5mr2611771vdb.31.1376157865051; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 11:04:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 20:04:25 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Taking the plunge From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <7HbsCB.A.RqF.PAoBSB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 18:01:51 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > I have Live (since version 3) but prefer Mainstage today. When using a host, that is. I'm also keen on running Mobius in the standalone version, but you didn't ask about that so I forgot to mention it. In both situations I use Mobius (both standalone and AU plugin) as the sync master and the "effects shebang" as the slave (Mainstage on laptop and Fractal Audio with Mobius/laptop on USB digital send/return loop). I do not send back Mobius tracks to the summing by separate streams (as Amy with her mixer) because I find that too time consuming for improvisational sound design. I do it the other way; keeping loads of alternative effect chains PRE looper so my instrument may sound totally different on different layers even in the same loops. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 18:16:06 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7544218355B; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 18:16:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Bd6Yeoufg8JBGCOcfwb4lRL9DLzcjoI/SdM298MxiJ8=; b=Rvrsopyaqcv2A3iNQAeZJKuzUTmw5G+uwSLdF+RbZqW2vBFQEhDSsI9mDrQGHYRB7j VgCx2Kwo3zSTgsrjjAzkA8vqrNm6tgZmsZRI8HC6OXkcORfV3ENfJlcBndFk1ERu8PXl jrPPcyDo+no6+p3/XbREa4v8y3xiR/qcH1naRJPbL0HeVxiiXm6CgRLFd0oGqfddnD67 6augzEb4cpIV4jTAq2UmfYGM0PPnaRZ2TGgUkVvkgRf2ZtpfFM7A3EMM9AWPu4lJI7Qk /hgNnmmAVOPfIMdKjLl20RQdJzVnQh0a67U0rgdyd2x7DorledRxWEOgwEmYilRB5qZS vVYQ== X-Received: by 10.14.37.4 with SMTP id x4mr18373476eea.16.1376158719078; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 11:18:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <52068405.6080108@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 20:18:45 +0200 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Taking the plunge References: <52067C9A.2090304@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <52067C9A.2090304@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130810-0, 10.08.2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 18:16:06 +0000 (UTC) Am 10.08.2013 19:47, schrieb andy butler: > As soon as you start finding Ableton a bit frustrating you might > want to look at Plogue Bidule. > Without any first-hand experience with the Bidule/Möbius combo (but a great lot with the Live/Möbius one), I would second that: Live is extremely powerful for what it does (e.g. launching prepared clips and playing with them), and also shines as a MIDI control/automation host as well as a virtual mixer, but if what you want to accomplish routing-wise leaves the mixer paradigm, you'll spend a lot of time exploring workarounds. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 18:26:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 915DE18355A; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 18:26:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=18yZl4ZQRMLfFqzE/M3JTdr6J/HDICVYznR1WXm6or0=; b=vk4/Le8BoOaELld6Yn7wyWKe8jS1D2qeZnECHsBCGA5taAnGacWODWOYpNtTDDXTaL srOTLKJ03t/kw4iIctsCiBsCrZROyC+Bxift2G9lCrSn4b6PanxbN96EQCIydVhzGL1S N8MrCGy+17F0oZu+OlPmMxWkHkZsRw8AU29ixY3uxOK5LA6jo9NqxDl0svDSBmDnjAUm ZIVGpohCdlBk1PFCnJaX5fmto1u+nkIHyBhWXWrKoi11ukSdPB2KF+FSDGSwNS9P6n66 YsO2f6gb/VvYdq/WaxkyVVfBKjibb4OdNYGmxUY1wK1igxhKiywawobsrrBFk0KZ7YYI baCw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.103.101 with SMTP id fv5mr2636201vdb.31.1376159332818; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 11:28:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <52068405.6080108@googlemail.com> References: <52067C9A.2090304@tiscali.co.uk> <52068405.6080108@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 20:28:52 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Taking the plunge From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 18:26:19 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Bidule/M=C3=B6bius Just chiming in with Andy and Rainer here; Bidule is great! I used it all the time a few years back. But when Mainstage came out I realised it was a copy of my fav Bidul setup stuffed with very good virtual instruments and effect plugins, so I kind of lost contact with Bidule there. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 23:14:42 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D22B518355C; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 23:14:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 410 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at arsenic; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 23:14:42 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=G8Wd/XGlI6hGEOvIYPd58P3pNzQG+4N7gfYh740CuHM9m/s5u9+QByjL0ETSfzrw; h=Received:From:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Subject:Message-Id:Date:To:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; From: David P Coffin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Mac Audio editor? Message-Id: <68946578-4EEB-487B-AC98-8A1B4AA48B8A@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:10:25 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) X-ELNK-Trace: 0cf8a1273a73c9ff1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79135fe5e0f04c00b54adbbbb5f1a1b575350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.93.8.66 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 23:14:42 +0000 (UTC) Hey Mac folks... I 'm wondering what audio editors you currently favor? I live in a = graveyard: I used to use Peak, then SoundTrackPro...Liked 'em both real = well. I particularly recall being able to fade in or out an effect across a = selection, in Peak I think. Any idea if that feature lives on somewhere? = I don't see it in Audition or Amadeus, my two easily available editors = these days (10.8.4), though I do have Logic, too, and I can imagine = automating a bus send to get the same effect there, but nowhere near as = effortlessly... Thanks for any ideas! David= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 23:19:23 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0701D18355F; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 23:19:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=WTnTBfA2IHqwfhvgoEm0ieGnk9gMko6ZlU3wiARlwww=; b=WgorogwIyrp6TFG29oIWdKvOY7PfAfA3LOvVpa7SJbU0IhfOR9gaU0uxXF+MX1Ln2X KZ+uXPcXLWGuOZPmHsfGwI3Zw7275MPZhFXfWWvFgYte/vJPVMsxIO4UT9HHmjdMk9wM AkhrFIUvwGpG0+n91p/kkqyti8S8RzrWLSnR57/WyjIJuBfu+sSWHewKY7QDiRJLSAoB 4GcdGCmM5MevyazE39MQ5j1TEZNkg507eYtlpZGUyYzQ3bhprxTTsAXHZO1z6rS/hPL8 NDzezGllscq9kh89aNW4iG4Md9oxaW7TmcCIxou+DBOPscjcNK+Fi+DFEt4c5mpAbxTh 4l7w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.219.233 with SMTP id pr9mr3434763wjc.8.1376176914795; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:21:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <68946578-4EEB-487B-AC98-8A1B4AA48B8A@earthlink.net> References: <68946578-4EEB-487B-AC98-8A1B4AA48B8A@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:21:54 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mac Audio editor? From: Todd Elliott To: "loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c1b7e627924e04e3a0280e Resent-Message-ID: <2V-SMC.A.Ec.6psBSB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 23:19:22 +0000 (UTC) --001a11c1b7e627924e04e3a0280e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I use 'Wave Editor' from Audiofile Engineering. Simple enough to do simple things, power where you need it. It offers fades and FX. T On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 4:10 PM, David P Coffin wrote: > Hey Mac folks... I > > 'm wondering what audio editors you currently favor? I live in a > graveyard: I used to use Peak, then SoundTrackPro...Liked 'em both real > well. > I particularly recall being able to fade in or out an effect across a > selection, in Peak I think. Any idea if that feature lives on somewhere? I > don't see it in Audition or Amadeus, my two easily available editors these > days (10.8.4), though I do have Logic, too, and I can imagine automating a > bus send to get the same effect there, but nowhere near as effortlessly... > > Thanks for any ideas! > > David > -- http://toaster.bandcamp.com --001a11c1b7e627924e04e3a0280e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I use 'Wave Editor' from Audiofile Engineering. Si= mple enough to do simple things, power where you need it. It offers fades a= nd FX.

T

On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 4:10 PM, David P Cof= fin <dpcoffin@earthlink.net> wrote:
Hey Mac folks... I

'm wondering what audio editors you currently favor? I live in a gravey= ard: I used to use Peak, then SoundTrackPro...Liked 'em both real well.=
I particularly recall being able to fade in or out an effect across a selec= tion, in Peak I think. Any idea if that feature lives on somewhere? I don&#= 39;t see it in Audition or Amadeus, my two easily available editors these d= ays (10.8.4), though I do have Logic, too, and I can imagine automating a b= us send to get the same effect there, but nowhere near as effortlessly...
Thanks for any ideas!

David



-- http://toaster.= bandcamp.com
--001a11c1b7e627924e04e3a0280e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 23:21:57 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB4E518355C; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 23:21:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Po3L9Hw3 c=1 sm=1 a=sWKv9GAtHqGQJ4dkg/UOxg==:17 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=LFCO2Er_ozsA:10 a=FP58Ms26AAAA:8 a=Oe_B4kDc-e0brpZ5sIYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=sWKv9GAtHqGQJ4dkg/UOxg==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Subject: Re: Mac Audio editor? From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: <68946578-4EEB-487B-AC98-8A1B4AA48B8A@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:24:29 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <68946578-4EEB-487B-AC98-8A1B4AA48B8A@earthlink.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Resent-Message-ID: <6bNZo.A.5i.VssBSB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 23:21:57 +0000 (UTC) David, I am thinking that the feature you want is in Audacity=20 I used to be a user/fan of Peak too and miss its simplicity. Logic is too complex for me. Hope you find your answer. Cheers, Ted On Aug 10, 2013, at 4:10 PM, David P Coffin wrote: > Hey Mac folks... I >=20 > 'm wondering what audio editors you currently favor? I live in a = graveyard: I used to use Peak, then SoundTrackPro...Liked 'em both real = well. > I particularly recall being able to fade in or out an effect across a = selection, in Peak I think. Any idea if that feature lives on somewhere? = I don't see it in Audition or Amadeus, my two easily available editors = these days (10.8.4), though I do have Logic, too, and I can imagine = automating a bus send to get the same effect there, but nowhere near as = effortlessly... >=20 > Thanks for any ideas! >=20 > David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 08:45:34 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0ED9318355C; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 08:45:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 01:48:02 -0700 From: Amy X Neuburg To: Subject: Re: Mac Audio =?UTF-8?Q?editor=3F?= In-Reply-To: <68946578-4EEB-487B-AC98-8A1B4AA48B8A@earthlink.net> References: <68946578-4EEB-487B-AC98-8A1B4AA48B8A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: X-Sender: amyx@isproductions.com User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.8.5 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - zosma.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - isproductions.com Resent-Message-ID: <-xkaeD.A.jxD.t80BSB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 08:45:33 +0000 (UTC) For something that is simple, cheap, and easy to switch to from Peak, check out TwistedWave. For non-fancy general 2-track editing it's fine... It gives you various options for what to do with the "tail" of an effect, though I don't see an option to fade effect in... but you can trial it for free. And you don't have to go through that 2-step export/save process like in Audacity. I have found it a reasonable Peak substitute. On 08/10/2013 4:10 pm, David P Coffin wrote: > Hey Mac folks... I > > 'm wondering what audio editors you currently favor? I live in a > graveyard: I used to use Peak, then SoundTrackPro...Liked 'em both > real well. > I particularly recall being able to fade in or out an effect across a > selection, in Peak I think. Any idea if that feature lives on > somewhere? I don't see it in Audition or Amadeus, my two easily > available editors these days (10.8.4), though I do have Logic, too, > and I can imagine automating a bus send to get the same effect there, > but nowhere near as effortlessly... > > Thanks for any ideas! > > David -- πππππππππππππππππππ Amy X Neuburg http://www.amyxneuburg.com πππππππππππππππππππ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 09:24:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B23E18355B; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 09:24:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 1030939445/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.26.13/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.26.13 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAI1XB1JYbRoN/2dsb2JhbAANTMJrgS6DGAEBAQQ4QBELGAkWDwkDAgECAUUcAa0mkUuOdIFOFoN7A515jlg X-IPAS-Result: ApMBAI1XB1JYbRoN/2dsb2JhbAANTMJrgS6DGAEBAQQ4QBELGAkWDwkDAgECAUUcAa0mkUuOdIFOFoN7A515jlg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,855,1367967600"; d="scan'208";a="1030939445" Message-ID: <520758EA.2030109@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 10:27:06 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mac Audio editor? References: <68946578-4EEB-487B-AC98-8A1B4AA48B8A@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <68946578-4EEB-487B-AC98-8A1B4AA48B8A@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 09:24:24 +0000 (UTC) David P Coffin wrote: > Hey Mac folks... I > > 'm wondering what audio editors you currently favor? > I particularly recall being able to fade in or out an effect across a selection, Are you sure that's not in Audition? I'm couldn't be sure it's possible to do that by drawing fx parameter lines (same as you would for volume/pan etc) but I suspect it is. (in multi-track view enable the wet/dry param for automation and it appears on the track as a line to be dragged about) Perhaps it depends on which version you have, I don't know if the mac compatible Audition caught up with the earlier versions yet. Reason I don't know is that I'd simply create a second track with the fx and use the volume envelopes. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 09:47:08 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD90A18355C; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 09:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=HgqJajXOD5jSyg4bTN6VsSZjM0l1vViG1s+mMKkMNQU=; b=MEU44PI9eO/RxHd++trmgrB1hK5af/XA1DWuz4oPaeuTbV8xfQvS+30DcDQ2+xPdH3 IVEdoa7AxzU23zZO9W8rVZRE6fR86zLh+c+znVn8Bck7XjbtxKyyA0JtzSA80ekdRMrT ehp0PeEGKGvJv6Or/FbxELVpSmT0hQmknQMH3xNzEbtkRiB5EDFuVPsDFyF1qshjhLUT 0PSo2jS/t9B5wAzUc/t1PCuN6h8w1luBKioHocVJx8ahF3hnYHIhwglxhRwJ8mFl3AnA 42HD/OjWzZd8Cmo3zp+MBo9Gp4Kqi+Ee0BBq61oUsLtJJkB4zqX/vWkxqm8g5lcaYIs+ zlwA== X-Received: by 10.66.189.98 with SMTP id gh2mr8707557pac.60.1376214578151; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 02:49:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <520758EA.2030109@tiscali.co.uk> References: <68946578-4EEB-487B-AC98-8A1B4AA48B8A@earthlink.net> <520758EA.2030109@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 11:49:18 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5l1rKoz6ZIlj3cDoRwOdFWAJp4s Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mac Audio editor? To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bf0e04810c89604e3a8ed74 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 09:47:08 +0000 (UTC) --047d7bf0e04810c89604e3a8ed74 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Whats wrong with just having 2 sound files, one with the effect on without and then fade from one to the other? Doesnt any Audio Editor editor do that? M On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 11:27 AM, andy butler wrote: > David P Coffin wrote: > >> Hey Mac folks... I >> >> 'm wondering what audio editors you currently favor? I particularly >> recall being able to fade in or out an effect across a selection, >> > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe --047d7bf0e04810c89604e3a8ed74 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Whats wrong with just having 2 sound files, one with the e= ffect on without and then fade from one to the other? Doesnt any Audio Edit= or editor do that?

M


On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 11:27 AM, andy b= utler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
David P Coffin wrote:
Hey Mac folks... I

'm wondering what audio editors you currently favor? I particularly rec= all being able to fade in or out an effect across a selection,


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--047d7bf0e04810c89604e3a8ed74-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 09:57:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FDC618355C; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 09:57:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1361 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at arsenic; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 09:57:24 UTC Message-ID: <52075B4A.3050309@pacifier.com> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 02:37:14 -0700 From: David Messenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: andy butler Subject: Re: Mac Audio editor? References: <68946578-4EEB-487B-AC98-8A1B4AA48B8A@earthlink.net> <520758EA.2030109@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <520758EA.2030109@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 09:57:24 +0000 (UTC) I second Andy here, on either platform that should be possible. D. > Reason I don't know is that I'd simply create a second track with the > fx and use the volume envelopes. > > andy > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 16:29:51 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 520C618355B; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 16:29:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=trufun.com; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; bh=5vNNviJyLKahQqOiLcvsKN6MPhcIG51yZqoqkmVqFrg=; b=luMwBnWAWVmbf5QEw6askFjFfffkAzlbFmRDkoqCrdofmW2bj1LFswx0xG7nX/BdcnKBQQrN61GjB40ygPp3TB8wVj2GU4iEIpwiw0Hi9JdGIqncseXBi2qavH/DY2Rkk9/04hAssk7WcDlMlOHUDdqgD5Vl76N3E1uETvXDIps=; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) Subject: Re: Mac Audio editor? From: David Gans In-Reply-To: <68946578-4EEB-487B-AC98-8A1B4AA48B8A@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 09:31:16 -0700 Cc: David Gans Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <76F7CF89-1A7B-4771-9351-8E48EF2F659E@trufun.com> References: <68946578-4EEB-487B-AC98-8A1B4AA48B8A@earthlink.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: vps.gdhour.com: acl_c_relayhosts_text_entry: david@trufun.com|trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 16:29:51 +0000 (UTC) I use soundBlade, from Sonic Studio (successor to Sonic Solutions). I = only do stereo editing/mastering, and I think there must be better = systems for multitrack, but there is no better DAW for stereo. = http://www.sonicstudio.com On Aug 10, 2013, at 4:10 PM, David P Coffin = wrote: > Hey Mac folks... I >=20 > 'm wondering what audio editors you currently favor? I live in a = graveyard: I used to use Peak, then SoundTrackPro...Liked 'em both real = well. > I particularly recall being able to fade in or out an effect across a = selection, in Peak I think. Any idea if that feature lives on somewhere? = I don't see it in Audition or Amadeus, my two easily available editors = these days (10.8.4), though I do have Logic, too, and I can imagine = automating a bus send to get the same effect there, but nowhere near as = effortlessly... >=20 > Thanks for any ideas! >=20 > David David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 16:49:59 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FDAB18355A; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 16:49:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=I8rRV+cRgaJig3bGULXEyCYxHf3MFPIa30tEXFsop+U=; b=EGL1UoveeqnUVft/7jODF6AMYwkfwusyrgndH7iAZfB372jklHqgfIIVsSgc+J5Ur8 GUjlRGprRbrqIHzvWX1xuqNCv7wEJTIdNkvBPph5X2VTSKWW3eHMga6YtBSz3STDWveZ S4vFC+9d8q6ISld209rRQyLgAfN8jilLi8TOkyuJdLjoApGOrDMulLGO22WaWNOwpcxM XwM+Ev/r2NP5ODfmruPzadZPvJQ8k3w+sNM8tNQDeOmH/BlhtwGx3qS+ELu+6xMer98/ T72KFcigdZ1sU1crQC8WgEeaG+jfW+JChoSLZR7nce1e/96JIHGamENT+vG1dzzr6K9u U/ag== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmn+fuAn9kKX3B9z9/IKc5YtHSTGgN0bp7Z2//xlzBwzE0MA6SVMIJMQNaQKlPeQwMWbO2L MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.36.50 with SMTP id n18mr4456568wij.8.1376239947441; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 09:52:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <76F7CF89-1A7B-4771-9351-8E48EF2F659E@trufun.com> References: <68946578-4EEB-487B-AC98-8A1B4AA48B8A@earthlink.net> <76F7CF89-1A7B-4771-9351-8E48EF2F659E@trufun.com> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 09:52:27 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mac Audio editor? From: Richard Sales To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013d1ea43174f104e3aed5ca Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 16:49:59 +0000 (UTC) --089e013d1ea43174f104e3aed5ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi David, Are you using Soundblade LE? I watched Gavin Lurssen use this and was pretty amazed. I suspect he had the HD version, but not sure that I need that for my purposes. I'll do some research to see if there's any SOUND difference between HD and LE. I downloaded the LE manual. One of the main things he did with it, besides sequence songs, was adjust the volumes of the different tracks so they all matched in volume. He would click on different tracks quickly, randomly, and adjust the volumes so they all matched. Can you do this, or have you ever done this, with Soundblade LE? I think it would save me a lot of time. Thanks Richard On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 9:31 AM, David Gans wrote: > > I use soundBlade, from Sonic Studio (successor to Sonic Solutions). I > only do stereo editing/mastering, and I think there must be better systems > for multitrack, but there is no better DAW for stereo. > http://www.sonicstudio.com > > > > On Aug 10, 2013, at 4:10 PM, David P Coffin > wrote: > > > Hey Mac folks... I > > > > 'm wondering what audio editors you currently favor? I live in a > graveyard: I used to use Peak, then SoundTrackPro...Liked 'em both real > well. > > I particularly recall being able to fade in or out an effect across a > selection, in Peak I think. Any idea if that feature lives on somewhere? I > don't see it in Audition or Amadeus, my two easily available editors these > days (10.8.4), though I do have Logic, too, and I can imagine automating a > bus send to get the same effect there, but nowhere near as effortlessly... > > > > Thanks for any ideas! > > > > David > > David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com > Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 > Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com > Web site: http://www.dgans.com > Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans > Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans > > > > > -- richard sales www.glasswing.com --089e013d1ea43174f104e3aed5ca Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi David,

Are you using Soundblade LE?
I watched Gavin Lurssen use this and was pretty amazed. =A0I suspect= he had the HD version, but not sure that I need that for my purposes.
I'll do some research to see if there's any S= OUND difference between HD and LE. =A0I downloaded the LE manual.
One of the main things he did with it, besides seq= uence songs, was adjust the volumes of the different tracks so they all mat= ched in volume. =A0He would click on different tracks quickly, randomly, an= d adjust the volumes so they all matched. =A0Can you do this, or have you e= ver done this, with Soundblade LE?
I think it would save me a lot of time.
<= div>Thanks
Richard


On S= un, Aug 11, 2013 at 9:31 AM, David Gans <david@trufun.com> wr= ote:

I use soundBlade, from Sonic Studio (successor to Sonic Solutions). =A0I on= ly do stereo editing/mastering, and I think there must be better systems fo= r multitrack, but there is no better DAW for stereo. =A0http://www.sonicstudio.com



On Aug 10, 2013, at 4:10 PM, David P Coffin <dpcoffin@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Hey Mac folks... I
>
> 'm wondering what audio editors you currently favor? I live in a g= raveyard: I used to use Peak, then SoundTrackPro...Liked 'em both real = well.
> I particularly recall being able to fade in or out an effect across a = selection, in Peak I think. Any idea if that feature lives on somewhere? I = don't see it in Audition or Amadeus, my two easily available editors th= ese days (10.8.4), though I do have Logic, too, and I can imagine automatin= g a bus send to get the same effect there, but nowhere near as effortlessly= ...
>
> Thanks for any ideas!
>
> David

David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730
Blog: =A0http:= //cloudsurfing.gdhour.com
Web site: http://www.dga= ns.com
Photos: ht= tp://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans
Music: http:/= /www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans







--
richard sale= s
www.glasswing.com


--089e013d1ea43174f104e3aed5ca-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 16:58:33 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D4E318355E; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 16:58:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=YFZ3C6oNRSvFKa94cZDt7AKTbUis73Lw5+sK1GR2A20=; b=FDaAPgg3Ak6fTr77cw94ZQBXWs8/2YHbRL8CTAIHKOLf1mzwcrU3c/r2A8bXmBFq+D B2kZysYlIa0m73C/yMQe3ye7pE0/PoVSsbpFrGP9iA6XO71idny5YFyATPX8P3TNpFDj xPbTRIrxsi6kfjodvQAijS79k6d7xIzGjF+27XbPRnPt9SGUfyqet37ZLweQ1OEVFcnm YkqN851FK95KA02/lHRtkrIlHNHuv9guqsoAqGxxs532H5t0uCL6YvxR0VivJXU5uvyL 3o1prl6ke8XS7YYbJj7He3DPhLzlb2w/Pen5zWcbweeKamB28L2Lc5X0S99QaVs152IH ysEA== X-Received: by 10.60.142.231 with SMTP id rz7mr2402622oeb.44.1376240460613; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 10:01:00 -0700 (PDT) References: <68946578-4EEB-487B-AC98-8A1B4AA48B8A@earthlink.net> <76F7CF89-1A7B-4771-9351-8E48EF2F659E@trufun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-DE6803ED-D57B-4120-9F55-441C24DDE8F0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B350) From: Miles Ward Subject: Re: Mac Audio editor? Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 10:00:56 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 16:58:32 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-DE6803ED-D57B-4120-9F55-441C24DDE8F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ableton live does this... -Miles On Aug 11, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Richard Sales wrote: > Hi David, >=20 > Are you using Soundblade LE? > I watched Gavin Lurssen use this and was pretty amazed. I suspect he had t= he HD version, but not sure that I need that for my purposes. > I'll do some research to see if there's any SOUND difference between HD an= d LE. I downloaded the LE manual. > One of the main things he did with it, besides sequence songs, was adjust t= he volumes of the different tracks so they all matched in volume. He would c= lick on different tracks quickly, randomly, and adjust the volumes so they a= ll matched. Can you do this, or have you ever done this, with Soundblade LE= ? > I think it would save me a lot of time. > Thanks > Richard >=20 >=20 > On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 9:31 AM, David Gans wrote: >>=20 >> I use soundBlade, from Sonic Studio (successor to Sonic Solutions). I on= ly do stereo editing/mastering, and I think there must be better systems for= multitrack, but there is no better DAW for stereo. http://www.sonicstudio.= com >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Aug 10, 2013, at 4:10 PM, David P Coffin wrot= e: >>=20 >> > Hey Mac folks... I >> > >> > 'm wondering what audio editors you currently favor? I live in a gravey= ard: I used to use Peak, then SoundTrackPro...Liked 'em both real well. >> > I particularly recall being able to fade in or out an effect across a s= election, in Peak I think. Any idea if that feature lives on somewhere? I do= n't see it in Audition or Amadeus, my two easily available editors these day= s (10.8.4), though I do have Logic, too, and I can imagine automating a bus s= end to get the same effect there, but nowhere near as effortlessly... >> > >> > Thanks for any ideas! >> > >> > David >>=20 >> David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com >> Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 >> Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com >> Web site: http://www.dgans.com >> Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans >> Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > richard sales > www.glasswing.com >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-DE6803ED-D57B-4120-9F55-441C24DDE8F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Ableton live does this...

-Miles

On Aug 11, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Richard Sales <richard@glasswing.com> wrote:

Hi David,

Are you using Soundblade LE?
I watched Gavin Lurssen use this and was pretty amazed.  I suspect he had the HD version, but not sure that I need that for my purposes.
I'll do some research to see if there's any SOUND difference between HD and LE.  I downloaded the LE manual.
One of the main things he did with it, besides sequence songs, was adjust the volumes of the different tracks so they all matched in volume.  He would click on different tracks quickly, randomly, and adjust the volumes so they all matched.  Can you do this, or have you ever done this, with Soundblade LE?
I think it would save me a lot of time.
Thanks
Richard


On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 9:31 AM, David Gans <david@trufun.com> wrote:

I use soundBlade, from Sonic Studio (successor to Sonic Solutions).  I only do stereo editing/mastering, and I think there must be better systems for multitrack, but there is no better DAW for stereo.  http://www.sonicstudio.com



On Aug 10, 2013, at 4:10 PM, David P Coffin <dpcoffin@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Hey Mac folks... I
>
> 'm wondering what audio editors you currently favor? I live in a graveyard: I used to use Peak, then SoundTrackPro...Liked 'em both real well.
> I particularly recall being able to fade in or out an effect across a selection, in Peak I think. Any idea if that feature lives on somewhere? I don't see it in Audition or Amadeus, my two easily available editors these days (10.8.4), though I do have Logic, too, and I can imagine automating a bus send to get the same effect there, but nowhere near as effortlessly...
>
> Thanks for any ideas!
>
> David

David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730
Blog:  http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com
Web site: http://www.dgans.com
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans
Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans







--
richard sales
www.glasswing.com


--Apple-Mail-DE6803ED-D57B-4120-9F55-441C24DDE8F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 17:26:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC9B5183557; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 17:26:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=trufun.com; s=default; h=To:Date:Subject:From:Cc:Message-Id:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References; bh=bdVVkujbZzqvWslcEPa3zjo7yb1eL4o2u/i7cTMe43g=; b=hEqtxDe7EuyoQMIYLbY0O0Z8LI8JCDBxC4uFr1JyiiupIh6FOJybQICFUqftxnkCN4oTnufnEJTQiJNKgpLZw7loBzkGKRxDyYAdUFkRbvDNp03yhp2r9k5T3H9o3D3A21eyoW2CRDkoegOHCB3hWEWfQxGuCL3IAcalPojL22M=; References: <68946578-4EEB-487B-AC98-8A1B4AA48B8A@earthlink.net> <76F7CF89-1A7B-4771-9351-8E48EF2F659E@trufun.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8C200208-F24E-4610-82D6-2845CF8CD758 Message-Id: <53A163BE-5CE5-4108-91C9-3B77638B476F@trufun.com> Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B329) From: David Gans Subject: Re: Mac Audio editor? Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 10:27:24 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: vps.gdhour.com: acl_c_relayhosts_text_entry: david@trufun.com|trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 17:26:04 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8C200208-F24E-4610-82D6-2845CF8CD758 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm in a car right now talking on my iPhone, so I can't really answer at len= gth. Sonic studio.com should have a chart showing the differences among the t= hree versions of soundblade. I use HD, but I'm quite sure that LE also has s= egment level controls etc. Plus it has the best control of Crossfades you'll= ever find. David Gans david@trufun.com Terse and error-ridden=20 due to handheld device On Aug 11, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Richard Sales wrote: > Hi David, >=20 > Are you using Soundblade LE? > I watched Gavin Lurssen use this and was pretty amazed. I suspect he had t= he HD version, but not sure that I need that for my purposes. > I'll do some research to see if there's any SOUND difference between HD an= d LE. I downloaded the LE manual. > One of the main things he did with it, besides sequence songs, was adjust t= he volumes of the different tracks so they all matched in volume. He would c= lick on different tracks quickly, randomly, and adjust the volumes so they a= ll matched. Can you do this, or have you ever done this, with Soundblade LE= ? > I think it would save me a lot of time. > Thanks > Richard >=20 >=20 > On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 9:31 AM, David Gans wrote: >>=20 >> I use soundBlade, from Sonic Studio (successor to Sonic Solutions). I on= ly do stereo editing/mastering, and I think there must be better systems for= multitrack, but there is no better DAW for stereo. http://www.sonicstudio.= com >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Aug 10, 2013, at 4:10 PM, David P Coffin wrot= e: >>=20 >> > Hey Mac folks... I >> > >> > 'm wondering what audio editors you currently favor? I live in a gravey= ard: I used to use Peak, then SoundTrackPro...Liked 'em both real well. >> > I particularly recall being able to fade in or out an effect across a s= election, in Peak I think. Any idea if that feature lives on somewhere? I do= n't see it in Audition or Amadeus, my two easily available editors these day= s (10.8.4), though I do have Logic, too, and I can imagine automating a bus s= end to get the same effect there, but nowhere near as effortlessly... >> > >> > Thanks for any ideas! >> > >> > David >>=20 >> David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com >> Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 >> Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com >> Web site: http://www.dgans.com >> Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans >> Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > richard sales > www.glasswing.com >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-8C200208-F24E-4610-82D6-2845CF8CD758 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm in a car right now talking on my iPhone, so I can't really ans= wer at length. Sonic studio.com should hav= e a chart showing the differences among the three versions of soundblade. I u= se HD, but I'm q= uite sure that LE&nb= sp;also has segment level controls etc. Plus it has the best control of Cros= sfades you'll ever find.


David Gans
Terse and error-ridden 
due to handhel= d device


On Aug 11, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Richard Sales <richard@glasswing.com> wrote:

Hi David,

Are you using Soundblade LE?
= I watched Gavin Lurssen use this and was pretty amazed.  I suspect he h= ad the HD version, but not sure that I need that for my purposes.
I'll do some research to see if there's any SOUND diff= erence between HD and LE.  I downloaded the LE manual.
One of the main things he did with it, besides sequence so= ngs, was adjust the volumes of the different tracks so they all matched in v= olume.  He would click on different tracks quickly, randomly, and adjus= t the volumes so they all matched.  Can you do this, or have you ever d= one this, with Soundblade LE?
I think it would save me a lot of time.
Thanks
Richard<= /div>


On Sun,= Aug 11, 2013 at 9:31 AM, David Gans <david@trufun.com> wrote:<= br>

I use soundBlade, from Sonic Studio (successor to Sonic Solutions).  I o= nly do stereo editing/mastering, and I think there must be better systems fo= r multitrack, but there is no better DAW for stereo.  http://www.sonicstudio.com



On Aug 10, 2013, at 4:10 PM, David P Coffin <dpcoffin@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Hey Mac folks... I
>
> 'm wondering what audio editors you currently favor? I live in a gravey= ard: I used to use Peak, then SoundTrackPro...Liked 'em both real well.
> I particularly recall being able to fade in or out an effect across a s= election, in Peak I think. Any idea if that feature lives on somewhere? I do= n't see it in Audition or Amadeus, my two easily available editors these day= s (10.8.4), though I do have Logic, too, and I can imagine automating a bus s= end to get the same effect there, but nowhere near as effortlessly...
>
> Thanks for any ideas!
>
> David

David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730
Blog:  htt= p://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com
Web site: http://www.dgan= s.com
Photos: htt= p://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans
Music: http://= www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans







--
richard sales=
www.glasswing.com


= --Apple-Mail-8C200208-F24E-4610-82D6-2845CF8CD758-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 17:29:09 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8846918355C; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 17:29:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=LAL/XnC57kP98hTBty7Ceax1LK4tBZhWo1ejeP/wgs0WTVrYkQD8CszXMnSlLgLx; h=Received:From:Content-Type:Message-Id:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:To:In-Reply-To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; From: David P Coffin Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_DC092ED6-9E4B-403B-8D4F-75D1A5D430A8" Message-Id: <5C83B641-A7EA-4572-BF02-28CEAD3E099D@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) Subject: Re: Mac Audio editor? Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 10:31:39 -0700 References: <68946578-4EEB-487B-AC98-8A1B4AA48B8A@earthlink.net> <520758EA.2030109@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) X-ELNK-Trace: 0cf8a1273a73c9ff1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79fe67e92035472c1423ffe68f064aa4b9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.93.8.66 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 17:29:09 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_DC092ED6-9E4B-403B-8D4F-75D1A5D430A8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Nothing except efficiency compared to what I was doing in Peak, where I = could quickly draw a curve or ramp over the file that specified a = changing mix of effect and original, then simply hit Apply. No need to = create a second file. On Aug 11, 2013, at 2:49 AM, mark francombe = wrote: > Whats wrong with just having 2 sound files, one with the effect on = without and then fade from one to the other? Doesnt any Audio Editor = editor do that? --Apple-Mail=_DC092ED6-9E4B-403B-8D4F-75D1A5D430A8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 mark@markfrancombe.com> = wrote:

wrote: > Sonic studio.com should have a chart showing the differences among the = three versions of soundblade. I use HD, but I'm quite sure that LE also = has segment level controls etc. Plus it has the best control of = Crossfades you'll ever find. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 18:11:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B70E318355C; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 18:11:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: William Walker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Taking the plunge Message-Id: <43C537AC-8A04-40CA-8DE9-171B036AEF00@baymoon.com> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 11:13:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 18:11:22 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Guys and Dolls , Muchas gracias !!! Ok, first I failed to mention = that I will start with Mobius as a stand alone, before I up the = learning curve with any host. So I am open to Mainstage, but does that = mean I would also have to use Logic as well? I also want to check out = Super Looper and Echoloop.=20 Thanks again= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 18:17:41 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F454183557; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 18:17:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=F/ZhIF91mELTF+rNxpq8DujIWnaMd4uNr117Hug7fexjCq8gA1c9GCmlFpdlb9PQ; h=Received:From:Content-Type:Message-Id:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:To:In-Reply-To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; From: David P Coffin Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_61FACF24-268D-4CDC-97F8-ABD29D68EDAD" Message-Id: <73D0A20A-A152-4058-B387-1FFAB871FD1B@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) Subject: Re: Mac Audio editor? Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 11:20:12 -0700 References: <68946578-4EEB-487B-AC98-8A1B4AA48B8A@earthlink.net> <520758EA.2030109@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <520758EA.2030109@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) X-ELNK-Trace: 0cf8a1273a73c9ff1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79ed0f01901c9c6f1ef5fc1c03d6493c09350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.93.8.66 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 18:17:41 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_61FACF24-268D-4CDC-97F8-ABD29D68EDAD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Yup, it's there in my version too (CC); exactly like Logic, but possibly = easier to set up; thanks! dpc On Aug 11, 2013, at 2:27 AM, andy butler wrote: > Are you sure that's not in Audition? > I'm couldn't be sure it's possible to do that by drawing fx parameter = lines > (same as you would for volume/pan etc) but I suspect it is. (in = multi-track view enable the wet/dry param for automation and it appears = on the track as a line to be dragged about) --Apple-Mail=_61FACF24-268D-4CDC-97F8-ABD29D68EDAD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Yup, = it's there in my version too (CC); exactly like Logic, but possibly = easier to set up; = thanks!

dpc


On = Aug 11, 2013, at 2:27 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> = wrote:

I'm couldn't be sure it's = possible to do that by drawing fx parameter lines
X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97FE018355C; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 19:41:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=wrEb3obj8vm3YwKS31xeiSYCxvvkyXlLMOgcLZjCMP0=; b=PHCMLKgdqOIzg/lx5N7aDVnO8SmAuO+yKKd6fsDO9pqNz5LCDd74+JVOVTWzO4/RkR dSfxmXKT/sS0gz4x3V0e9W1uZTLdxKu2Lsb4MttCWntLFQ7N2fFbStF2eMTQPZztDGtS JIIwEuqwSFU25a2GiGxtvJNBi2PKenj0VDMNq2LeZMILLv3KCn/Lg0QC71oH5Ic0gTwB Qvw9TfzqOwGq6C/zBhSuQ3Xpx7DhiODUnOJFYlrgYwMGybtuJnmE+kL+12r9fDGrUXPT ljZDO5GzWdnBBHHIX7lzvGKPbuZmEdfvJCZnToO1KxzHA7iTPZ0cDUqPjcggKkC9Z2rB IZ8w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.166.74 with SMTP id l10mr17717956qay.114.1376250245441; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 12:44:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <43C537AC-8A04-40CA-8DE9-171B036AEF00@baymoon.com> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 12:44:05 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Taking the plunge From: Phil Clevenger To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c24df0006cc104e3b13bc3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 19:41:37 +0000 (UTC) --001a11c24df0006cc104e3b13bc3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Can't wait to see what you contribute to this space Bill :) A few remarks - I use Ableton for all the reasons you cite, but also because it allows me to seamlessly pivot from exploration to capturing and production in one environment. I love the blurred distinctions between performing, composing, improvising, DJ workflow, console workflow, etc... ANything I am doing can always be captured to dedicated tracks, including other things such as my LP1 (scramble...). All the same workflow :) Echoloop is all I need or want, but I've had a hellish time getting it to interact nicely with host tempos, whether slave or driver; and there has been one persistent bug that I've never solved. I had begun migrating to Mobius and found it was quite marvelous with synch tempo stuff, and does *almost* everything I need from Echoloop (unrounded sus multiply I think was the missing thing). That said, I've recently downloaded the most recent Echoloop and am giving it a good hard look :) Best of luck with all :) Phil On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 8:13 PM, William Walker > wrote: > > I am open to Mainstage, but does that mean I would also have to use > Logic as well? > > Oh no! Mainstage 3 is 35 bucks on Appstore. It contains all the > plugins and instruments of Logics but focuses rather on live playing > (than on recording production). Like a virtual effect rack with a > global tempo reference option. > > Starting with Mobius standalone is a good strategy. Focus on a few > powerful features that you can get fluent with. Thanks to the > scripting option almost anything is possible so you really should > relate to your music rather than the tech when setting up your control > pedals etc. A simple example is to give alternative functions to the > Record button by scripting "IF" stuff. My Record button performs > "Record, Reverse" if Mobius initially is in Reverse Mode and in case > ("IF") any speed/transpose other than zero my Record Button brings the > loop back to zero speed by the second press (when setting the loop > point). Opens up for starting a session in many ways. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > --001a11c24df0006cc104e3b13bc3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Can't wait to see what you contribute to this space Bi= ll :)

A few remarks -=A0

I use = Ableton for all the reasons you cite, but also because it allows me to seam= lessly pivot from exploration to capturing and production in one environmen= t. I love the blurred distinctions between performing, composing, improvisi= ng, DJ workflow, console workflow, etc... ANything I am doing can always be= captured to dedicated tracks, including other things such as my LP1 (scram= ble...). All the same workflow :)

Echoloop is all I need or want, but I've had a hell= ish time getting it to interact nicely with host tempos, whether slave or d= river; and there has been one persistent bug that I've never solved. I = had begun migrating to Mobius and found it was quite marvelous with synch t= empo stuff, and does *almost* everything I need from Echoloop (unrounded su= s multiply I think was the missing thing). That said, I've recently dow= nloaded the most recent Echoloop and am giving it a good hard look :)

Best of luck with all :)

Phil<= /div>



On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gma= il.com> wrote:
On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 8:= 13 PM, William Walker <billwal= ker@baymoon.com> wrote:
> I am open to Mainstage, but does that mean I would also have to use Lo= gic as well?

Oh no! Mainstage 3 is 35 bucks on Appstore. It contains all the
plugins and instruments of Logics but focuses rather on live playing
(than on recording production). Like a virtual effect rack with a
global tempo reference option.

Starting with Mobius standalone is a good strategy. Focus on a few
powerful features that you can get fluent with. Thanks to the
scripting option almost anything is possible so you really should
relate to your music rather than the tech when setting up your control
pedals etc. A simple example is to give alternative functions to the
Record button by scripting "IF" stuff. My Record button performs<= br> "Record, Reverse" if Mobius initially is in Reverse Mode and in c= ase
("IF") any speed/transpose other than zero my Record Button bring= s the
loop back to zero speed by the second press (when setting the loop
point). Opens up for starting a session in many ways.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen


--001a11c24df0006cc104e3b13bc3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 20:06:27 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D578183558; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 20:06:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=VPfzSgdeqmFd+oM4Hly+dwXe6QhHkIb0hR4P2Bns2Sw=; b=zsFNGO67FgxwH+sPRHKJAzOhxqlFgiJHjk8ALYNxu+ru5yiHwHaxSUlcjNMLtOnDUZ Sb0vezaV+HggFGXLjR34VXZAR4i7vcPVKL5YEMTJEta31yyxrjWEIEo9oF2a3qyjzTFl M2scCnZ4aCT+Erfgisy8D0kKfvTth05r7MDjxLjCSfQvqjWScXJt1oEp+5kS5RP0iPaT BFXI+Vpbfchxg0hDqZkM70yovf6boTC42vIW6VcH4+KrSkkRyF23yU+gx5yUemXX7Q02 LND3ZDnfhBX2h8iqUeW23awx+qLB76crVCDwek8+uz4jBokqhtJm/8eyEgeIGRi8UvJF jHVw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.166.77 with SMTP id l13mr11519523vcy.60.1376251735094; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 13:08:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <43C537AC-8A04-40CA-8DE9-171B036AEF00@baymoon.com> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 22:08:55 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Taking the plunge From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 20:06:27 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > I had begun migrating to Mobius and found it was quite marvelous with synch > tempo stuff, and does *almost* everything I need from Echoloop (unrounded > sus multiply I think was the missing thing) There's another trick I loved with my hardware EDP and that Mobius can't do: with "feedback = 0" creating a long empty loop, put it into Overdub mode, play something, hit Reverse, keep on overdubbing on what you just played (now played back reversed), when back at the beginning of the now reversed-playback chunk you hit Overdub again and begin play to your now reversed second layer. Since feedback is zero you'll never get more than two layers sounding and you can keep on doing this questions and answers ping-pong game for ever. This doesn't work with Mobius. It seems that Mobius needs to play a full loop round in order to keep a chunk of Overdub audio on a layer? With the EDP you could go "Reverse<-->Reverse" in Overdub mode for ages and stack up layers for just a very short part of the loop. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 20:20:57 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C76F18355C; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 20:20:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=CWEcQJtM6JYbu/jQxyBy5qakAQ3xzihNFUSKBLgQSxQ=; b=HX5O8jh8Ef3LOuWVV0tjte/RV6aWkv9Nklc7JBqg2l2JxsR+omlE4OSlemyy8Mcy9X rSRkGKyJKsVW7foZ3pa1+SHLUy17KIUEXdhw92Gx6GsNPIaHyz4x+6MoT9Pag0QV8xU+ FtKFJ2Xqa7PeDKr8V4r3cfQiuvKdZFHFcsrxBl7tkcf9P2C544SA52Ow4++Uif76Iq4r Z3p64SXKKAigWZMjsJCBiDrUhP6P7tM3vOS3optz0eK9JmnEPiyhz1VRVfmtL9z1Xcfr PV9nyWZgMIIfnjcQjP9fesAiNtjtrP0AiHkBldh5jJJz4Pbohv3eYgTl8cFTl/8cl8CC hDSQ== X-Received: by 10.69.8.65 with SMTP id di1mr21029270pbd.32.1376252604230; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 13:23:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <43C537AC-8A04-40CA-8DE9-171B036AEF00@baymoon.com> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 22:23:04 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: KH0cUj_eHeW51P31UD2uDk9M_1I Message-ID: Subject: Re: Taking the plunge To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b5d48dc98b13a04e3b1c72b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 20:20:57 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b5d48dc98b13a04e3b1c72b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 With a "Long loop" you say? I di this exact thing with a relatively short one, leave overdub on, no feedback and just hitting reverse when the moment seems right, sometimes like DJ scratching... Cant imaging what its like with a long loop.. damn, have to go plug the rack in again... been lying around since my last gig... M On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Phil Clevenger > wrote: > > I had begun migrating to Mobius and found it was quite marvelous with > synch > > tempo stuff, and does *almost* everything I need from Echoloop (unrounded > > sus multiply I think was the missing thing) > > There's another trick I loved with my hardware EDP and that Mobius > can't do: with "feedback = 0" creating a long empty loop, put it into > Overdub mode, play something, hit Reverse, keep on overdubbing on what > you just played (now played back reversed), when back at the beginning > of the now reversed-playback chunk you hit Overdub again and begin > play to your now reversed second layer. Since feedback is zero you'll > never get more than two layers sounding and you can keep on doing this > questions and answers ping-pong game for ever. > > This doesn't work with Mobius. It seems that Mobius needs to play a > full loop round in order to keep a chunk of Overdub audio on a layer? > With the EDP you could go "Reverse<-->Reverse" in Overdub mode for > ages and stack up layers for just a very short part of the loop. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe --047d7b5d48dc98b13a04e3b1c72b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
With a "Long loop" you say? I di this exact thin= g with a relatively short one, leave overdub on, no feedback and just hitti= ng reverse when the moment seems right, sometimes like DJ scratching... Can= t imaging what its like with a long loop.. damn, have to go plug the rack i= n again... been lying around since my last gig...

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--047d7b5d48dc98b13a04e3b1c72b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 21:07:17 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0115183558; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 21:07:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:in-reply-to:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=kOeuAGHcKqN9aY1S1Y+pxkd6w1SbR5CnYasRWKIF3BU=; b=NDVNzuOyKgDVehNYBU4vivgg3LPtQ0RtqiHZ+1dKWu2mbQJbGWzvkHhaAsMa+JUxx/ 0mYrhxXVn6Qe972D+4TZhS7f7Id6Dl2tlJ4+iU8jmPxdf6XaaQKsRC1/2449ZseP+OP5 bxdcbEBuZGuR2QAqdMckZQymHAwgWQ6GA4AK/ZsCfbm0KxXFdLYQsiFzjCBQbTRuYsMc 6wshFLFsG535s5YayEJahnZHlH9CputukU6KtqE8DXvFlL+gbS6hFXy1s3TzK/4lUxEt 52G6Sooq1Vw1kHpkrpMWtTSkKsEONhWFh3Bse2jFO/Bh96t+m4BNMW86Uh2vWSuM7XTq vE3Q== X-Received: by 10.194.3.78 with SMTP id a14mr5084286wja.77.1376255384516; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 14:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Taking the plunge References: <43C537AC-8A04-40CA-8DE9-171B036AEF00@baymoon.com> From: Simeon Harris Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (8C148) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 22:10:40 +0100 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 8C148) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 21:07:17 +0000 (UTC) Fortunately this is really easy with crossfade loop synth or meringue! Sent from my iPod On 11 Aug 2013, at 21:08, Per Boysen wrote: > On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Phil Clevenger > wrote: >> I had begun migrating to Mobius and found it was quite marvelous with syn= ch >> tempo stuff, and does *almost* everything I need from Echoloop (unrounded= >> sus multiply I think was the missing thing) >=20 > There's another trick I loved with my hardware EDP and that Mobius > can't do: with "feedback =3D 0" creating a long empty loop, put it into > Overdub mode, play something, hit Reverse, keep on overdubbing on what > you just played (now played back reversed), when back at the beginning > of the now reversed-playback chunk you hit Overdub again and begin > play to your now reversed second layer. Since feedback is zero you'll > never get more than two layers sounding and you can keep on doing this > questions and answers ping-pong game for ever. >=20 > This doesn't work with Mobius. It seems that Mobius needs to play a > full loop round in order to keep a chunk of Overdub audio on a layer? > With the EDP you could go "Reverse<-->Reverse" in Overdub mode for > ages and stack up layers for just a very short part of the loop. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 01:21:43 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A64918355E; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 01:21:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 394 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at arsenic; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 01:21:43 UTC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 21:17:29 -0400 From: phaslem To: Subject: gear spam, Ibanez img 2010 guitar In-Reply-To: <43C537AC-8A04-40CA-8DE9-171B036AEF00@baymoon.com> References: <43C537AC-8A04-40CA-8DE9-171B036AEF00@baymoon.com> Message-ID: <8d9aadfcf6cff616ca077d358fec0748@wightman.ca> X-Sender: phaslem@wightman.ca User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.7.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 01:21:43 +0000 (UTC) Hi there, Sorry for the commercial folks but I have something here that may interest some of you that are into midi guitar stuff. The big item is an Ibanez img 2010 it does have the whammy bar and the MC1 controller. Then I've got the CV-13 made by Wayne Jones which converts the 24 pin cable to a 13 pin cable but lets you route the guitar midi controllers to a midi pedal or VG 99, check out his youtube videos to see what you can do with it. I also have SW41 made by Kaus Schock in Germany, which lets you route up to 4 13 pin midi guitars to one device and finally I also have a couple of extra 24 pin cables that have been tested and work fine. If any of this gear sounds interesting to you contact me off list and I will put up a link to some pictures of the gear and we can talk price. Thanks, Paul Ontario Canada From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 09:51:50 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFB3818355C; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:51:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 1036493657/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.26.13/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.26.13 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApEOAIGwCFJYbRoN/2dsb2JhbAANTYM7Z4t4sj4EBAGBMIMZAQEEOFEsJQ8CRhwBrCORfo8cGoEMFoN7A5kQhGmGGIhA X-IPAS-Result: ApEOAIGwCFJYbRoN/2dsb2JhbAANTYM7Z4t4sj4EBAGBMIMZAQEEOFEsJQ8CRhwBrCORfo8cGoEMFoN7A5kQhGmGGIhA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,861,1367967600"; d="scan'208";a="1036493657" Message-ID: <5208B0C1.40402@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 10:54:09 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The importance of accidents in music. References: <05F5F339-87F4-46A8-904A-CD0445AA97F3@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:51:50 +0000 (UTC) http://youtu.be/9i9WregvsOI any thoughts? andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 10:58:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8077918355D; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 10:58:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=JDvNeDFUP+SbxT4489rLST4iuGLSlBixfy3isobzErE=; b=MxL1QaBVl46J5sD6pvYyqWKfQiiEkj8gHek/5RVXIgKZ3msQJ1peuMoCzrc4QjGGSn scv8HseUyyXfAFxO911H/PMMA8Ry32XzeH4uOuB4te789KcKpmtf43yn7D+JK7C+zjbt gehLz3VlCJaQi5zaKkz3JMKQGNfK717T065O2Jopsu9c/n+pN73kHQs5ZAb7Pex4uke4 4gcVAsBw0l118X/DNkdVKeDIt/u6YgW9xXoZysoZDJ98wvQLmpnvJjgEqNTC/WtSIMfl A+P9rKxN9nNbZ8j35ysVKXZ3bGu92CToNov/gp+jwMjYc0suQxURYE88dxYkILRffFt9 9YUQ== X-Received: by 10.68.130.163 with SMTP id of3mr24026107pbb.181.1376305248229; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 04:00:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <5208B0C1.40402@tiscali.co.uk> References: <05F5F339-87F4-46A8-904A-CD0445AA97F3@gmail.com> <5208B0C1.40402@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 13:00:28 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: pfjosipMeZbycX-dgiwiFrI4Ajk Message-ID: Subject: Re: The importance of accidents in music. To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b15a7f36c5ff704e3be09bd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 10:58:24 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b15a7f36c5ff704e3be09bd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per Boysen " For solo musicians its very important to develop strategies to allow accidents to happen" I just pick up my guitar and accidents happen. Only joking. im not sure if this conversation is only regarding improvisatinal music or not. Because Im totally happy to listen to music that has been programmed, or is being generated "On the fly" by a modular system, with no human interaction. An accident though, does not need to mean a mistake, Im not sure how happy Per is when he plays a B when it should be a G, and sounds all discordant and wrong (happens to me all the time, but Per is more... technically accomplished than I will ever me, he at least knows a few scales I wager?) no, and accident is more like an "unexpected turn of events". And they are very important in music. I have just performed at a noise festival here in Oslo.( http://www.polyfokt.com/) Noise (or St=F8y in Norwegian) is an umbrella nam= e that is often used to mean, free improv, experimental, noise. Almost all of the performers are randomly making extreme noise, using extended playing techniques, home-made instruments (one performer built an IKEA table, miked up, as his performance) accidents happening all the time. But when THAT is the norm, it becomes boring too! So when, out of the blue one or too performers suddenly launch into a highly planned and well executed section, THAT seems like the accident, then it becomes interesting. m On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 11:54 AM, andy butler wrote= : > > > > http://youtu.be/9i9WregvsOI > > any thoughts? > > > andy > > --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe --047d7b15a7f36c5ff704e3be09bd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Per Boysen " For solo musicians its very important to= develop strategies to allow accidents to happen"

I just p= ick up my guitar and accidents happen.
Only joking. im not sure i= f this conversation is only regarding improvisatinal music or not. Because = Im totally happy to listen to music that has been programmed, or is being g= enerated "On the fly" by a modular system, with no human interact= ion. An accident though, does not need to mean a mistake, Im not sure how h= appy Per is when he plays a B when it should be a G, and sounds all discord= ant and wrong (happens to me all the time, but Per is more... technically a= ccomplished than I will ever me, he at least knows a few scales I wager?) n= o, and accident is more like an "unexpected turn of events". And = they are very important in music.

I have just performed at a noise festival here in Oslo.= (http://www.polyfokt.com/) Noise (= or St=F8y in Norwegian) is an umbrella name that is often used to mean, fre= e improv, experimental, noise. Almost all of the performers are randomly ma= king extreme noise, using extended playing techniques, home-made instrument= s (one performer built an IKEA table, miked up, as his performance) acciden= ts happening all the time. But when THAT is the norm, it becomes boring too= !
So when, out of the blue one or too performers suddenly launch into a = highly planned and well executed section, THAT seems like the accident, the= n it becomes interesting.

m





On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 11:54 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:



http://youtu.be/9= i9WregvsOI

any thoughts?


andy




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--047d7b15a7f36c5ff704e3be09bd-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 12:03:17 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF32B18355C; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 12:03:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:references :to:in-reply-to; bh=SvMHiewxa9vhHvqu9Jk05K9Dqyk933F6AmrHbLd5GB8=; b=TlOxHEjSMHxT2VVmZ9KsDSaJlbXy7ZObD3Oo+VMtV1g//YLTn1tcdmqiXoRm8DqYnB VgOtCyczb19GApv+O24FkXPkRZP73lMMppA2DMXee93S3olM1IRrUGcVxJr2WGNE46js 38gcysuq0vDAiCvq1FhoOh6vfCyX1e+faIvhSt2Y/WDEFTquT1KWhMcKv+xjMsY2VX0S auA4+aGTi2jzNedIGWvI9qmuYUZBzUXAc6WTHj0PoKCIMQL+lGrciiUYuTPEGZqSJkk3 RQhjGqIvXlCvgHdl4gNl59ADOZWftdim3GWgBUOTzxERquk3J+zWDdBrGaTTOJEH52jQ OyNA== X-Received: by 10.224.38.68 with SMTP id a4mr23842303qae.10.1376309141656; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 05:05:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Matthews Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E93A877B-45F9-48BB-BF4A-70B2EC1DE004" Message-Id: <5C681FDB-F58A-4B90-B03F-F5892D5C6768@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) Subject: Re: Taking the plunge Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 08:05:38 -0400 References: <43C537AC-8A04-40CA-8DE9-171B036AEF00@baymoon.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) Resent-Message-ID: <0C-oFB.A.w0.E8MCSB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 12:03:16 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_E93A877B-45F9-48BB-BF4A-70B2EC1DE004 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey Bill, Right now MainStage 3 is not compatible with Mobius because the new = version of MainStage/Logic will only work with 64-bit plug-ins. Jeff is = already working it though so maybe by the time you incorporate a host = then Mobius will be 64-bit.=20 Check out the Shuffle - function in Mobius with your sub cycle number = dividing your loop into 8th notes then go to Presets - Functions - and = turn Shuffle to 'Random' Once you bind a footswitch to the shuffle function and build up a bed of = sound it will randomly shuffle the notes creating a cool rhythm similar = to sus replace.=20 --------------------------------- Todd Matthews, Bassist My Darling Fury Listen HERE Watch HERE Pledge HERE On Aug 11, 2013, at 5:10 PM, Simeon Harris = wrote: > Fortunately this is really easy with crossfade loop synth or meringue! >=20 > Sent from my iPod >=20 > On 11 Aug 2013, at 21:08, Per Boysen wrote: >=20 >> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Phil Clevenger >> wrote: >>> I had begun migrating to Mobius and found it was quite marvelous = with synch >>> tempo stuff, and does *almost* everything I need from Echoloop = (unrounded >>> sus multiply I think was the missing thing) >>=20 >> There's another trick I loved with my hardware EDP and that Mobius >> can't do: with "feedback =3D 0" creating a long empty loop, put it = into >> Overdub mode, play something, hit Reverse, keep on overdubbing on = what >> you just played (now played back reversed), when back at the = beginning >> of the now reversed-playback chunk you hit Overdub again and begin >> play to your now reversed second layer. Since feedback is zero you'll >> never get more than two layers sounding and you can keep on doing = this >> questions and answers ping-pong game for ever. >>=20 >> This doesn't work with Mobius. It seems that Mobius needs to play a >> full loop round in order to keep a chunk of Overdub audio on a layer? >> With the EDP you could go "Reverse<-->Reverse" in Overdub mode for >> ages and stack up layers for just a very short part of the loop. >>=20 >> Greetings from Sweden >>=20 >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_E93A877B-45F9-48BB-BF4A-70B2EC1DE004 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hey = Bill,

Right now MainStage 3 is not compatible with = Mobius because the new version of MainStage/Logic will only work with = 64-bit plug-ins. Jeff is already working it though so maybe by the time = you incorporate a host then Mobius will be = 64-bit. 

Check out the Shuffle - function = in Mobius with your sub cycle number dividing your loop into 8th notes = then go to Presets - Functions - and turn Shuffle to = 'Random'

Once you bind a footswitch to the = shuffle function and build up a bed of sound it will randomly shuffle = the notes creating a cool rhythm similar to sus = replace. 


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On Aug 11, 2013, at 5:10 PM, Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.co= m> wrote:

Fortunately this is really easy with crossfade loop synth = or meringue!

Sent from my iPod

On 11 Aug 2013, at 21:08, = Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> = wrote:

On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 9:44 PM, = Phil Clevenger
<phil.clevenger@gmail.com> = wrote:
I had begun migrating to Mobius and = found it was quite marvelous with synch
tempo stuff, and does = *almost* everything I need from Echoloop (unrounded
sus multiply I = think was the missing thing)

There's another trick I = loved with my hardware EDP and that Mobius
can't do: with "feedback =3D= 0" creating a long empty loop, put it into
Overdub mode, play = something, hit Reverse, keep on overdubbing on what
you just played = (now played back reversed), when back at the beginning
of the now = reversed-playback chunk you hit Overdub again and begin
play to your = now reversed second layer. Since feedback is zero you'll
never get = more than two layers sounding and you can keep on doing = this
questions and answers ping-pong game for ever.

This = doesn't work with Mobius. It seems that Mobius needs to play a
full = loop round in order to keep a chunk of Overdub audio on a layer?
With = the EDP you could go "Reverse<-->Reverse" in Overdub mode = for
ages and stack up layers for just a very short part of the = loop.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.yout= ube.com/perboysen



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To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-225646846-2032345140-1376312436=:50257" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 12:58:12 +0000 (UTC) ---225646846-2032345140-1376312436=:50257 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To quote Frank Zappa again, "play a clinker once it's a mistake. Play it tw= ice, it's a composition."=0ARig=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A= From: mark francombe =0ATo: loopers-delight =0ASent: Monday, August 12, 2013 4:00 AM=0AS= ubject: Re: The importance of accidents in music.=0A=0A=0A=0APer Boysen " F= or solo musicians its very important to develop strategies to allow acciden= ts to happen"=0A=0A=0AI just pick up my guitar and accidents happen.=0AOnly= joking. im not sure if this conversation is only regarding improvisatinal = music or not. Because Im totally happy to listen to music that has been pro= grammed, or is being generated "On the fly" by a modular system, with no hu= man interaction. An accident though, does not need to mean a mistake, Im no= t sure how happy Per is when he plays a B when it should be a G, and sounds= all discordant and wrong (happens to me all the time, but Per is more... t= echnically accomplished than I will ever me, he at least knows a few scales= I wager?) no, and accident is more like an "unexpected turn of events". An= d they are very important in music.=0A=0AI have just performed at a noise f= estival here in Oslo.(http://www.polyfokt.com/) Noise (or St=F8y in Norwegi= an) is an umbrella name that is often used to mean, free improv, experiment= al, noise. Almost all of the performers are randomly making extreme noise, = using extended playing techniques, home-made instruments (one performer bui= lt an IKEA table, miked up, as his performance) accidents happening all the= time. But when THAT is the norm, it becomes boring too!=0ASo when, out of = the blue one or too performers suddenly launch into a highly planned and we= ll executed section, THAT seems like the accident, then it becomes interest= ing.=0A=0Am=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 11:54 AM, andy butl= er wrote:=0A=0A=0A>=0A>=0A>http://youtu.be/9i9Wreg= vsOI=0A>=0A>any thoughts?=0A>=0A>=0A>andy=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A-- =0A=0AMark Fra= ncombe=0Ahttp://www.markfrancombe.com/=0Ahttp://www.ordoabkhao.com/=0Ahttp:= //vimeo.com/user825094=0Ahttp://www.looop.no/=0Atwitter @markfrancombe ---225646846-2032345140-1376312436=:50257 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To quote Frank Zappa again, "play a clink= er once it's a mistake. Play it twice, it's a composition."
Rig

From: mark francombe <mark@markfrancom= be.com>
To: loopers-d= elight <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 4:00 AM
Subject: Re: The importance of ac= cidents in music.

Per Boysen " For solo musicians its very important to develo= p strategies to allow accidents to happen"

I just pick up my guitar and accidents happen.
Only joking. im not sure if this conversation is only regarding improv= isatinal music or not. Because Im totally happy to listen to music that has= been programmed, or is being generated "On the fly" by a modular system, w= ith no human interaction. An accident though, does not need to mean a mista= ke, Im not sure how happy Per is when he plays a B when it should be a G, a= nd sounds all discordant and wrong (happens to me all the time, but Per is = more... technically accomplished than I will ever me, he at least knows a f= ew scales I wager?) no, and accident is more like an "unexpected turn of ev= ents". And they are very important in music.

I have just performed at a noise festival here in Oslo.(http://www.pol= yfokt.com/) Noise (or St=F8y in Norwegian) is an umbrella name that is ofte= n used to mean, free improv, experimental, noise. Almost all of the perform= ers are randomly making extreme noise, using extended playing techniques, h= ome-made instruments (one performer built an IKEA table, miked up, as his p= erformance) accidents happening all the time. But when THAT is the norm, it= becomes boring too!
So when, out of the blue one or too performers suddenly launch into a = highly planned and well executed section, THAT seems like the accident, the= n it becomes interesting.

m





On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 11:54 AM, and= y butler <akbut= ler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:



http://yo= utu.be/9i9WregvsOI

any thoughts?


andy




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Jeff is > already working it though so maybe by the time you incorporate a host then > Mobius will be 64-bit. can't you just run mainstage in 32-bit mode? (right-click, get info, select open in 32-bit mode) anyhow, welcome to the machine Bill. I'll echo the advice to check out Bidule. Not only can you sync all your effects to your loops, you can also have multiple sync sources and easily divide or multiply the clock as required. I haven't spent a lot of time with Live, but my impression is that if you're not using pre-recorded material, it's overkill. Mainstage is a great alternative (decent effects and instruments for a ridiculously low price). However, the boxes and cables interface of bidule should be really straightforward for someone coming from a hardware setup, and you could actually try to mirror the signal flow of your current pedalboards... Also, if you need scripting beyond what a plugin allows, you can use bidule to extend the functionality of your plugins (setup a patch that sends a bunch of midi signals to control your plugin). It's also much cheaper than Live and if you ever get Live, Bidule can be used within it as a VST or AU or along side with Rewire. Of course, ask any questions as they arise and I'd be happy to help you with any scripting you need Sylvain --047d7b10d04bc0627504e3c07005 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


can't you just run mainstage in 32-bit mode? (right-click, ge= t info, select open in 32-bit mode)

anyhow, welcome to t= he machine Bill. =A0I'll echo the advice to check out Bidule. Not only = can you sync all your effects to your loops, you can also have multiple syn= c sources and easily divide or multiply the clock as required. =A0I haven&#= 39;t spent a lot of time with Live, but my impression is that if you're= not using pre-recorded material, it's overkill. =A0Mainstage is a grea= t alternative (decent effects and instruments for a ridiculously low price)= .

However, the boxes and cables interface of bidule shoul= d be really straightforward for someone coming from a hardware setup, and y= ou could actually try to mirror the signal flow of your current pedalboards= ... =A0Also, if you need scripting beyond what a plugin allows, you can use= bidule to extend the functionality of your plugins (setup a patch that sen= ds a bunch of midi signals to control your plugin). =A0It's also much c= heaper than Live and if you ever get Live, Bidule can be used within it as = a VST or AU or along side with Rewire.

Of course, ask any questions as they arise and I'd = be happy to help you with any scripting you need

S= ylvain
--047d7b10d04bc0627504e3c07005-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 15:40:55 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAFF118355A; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 15:40:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=dZW0KE1R5q56Npb8ixzmPZ/akU4694hWXY5qp4Q8zFM=; b=M0qQWZgl3ZqdoBraFqZ+xmirXHJps9aefgBcrV869KxWZ912kgtHEU2iRl91O9rpfy Xu9OO0DdSHI6z0LCAXI/8v3xybP6VyPahfQflGRKl/eZ9b3yqtw4tAhtBQQsZ7ZA6qbZ z20B33IJ3iRjVhIqD4yX/Y+rdGTr7oXDPBYSIdsWQFKLc+A3uhtl1D0MnhiuKaCgeXFy jrroQkK1sJQ+drDsCIIOZOUZU1T/ZCwHxqfZerOjy55qZcCOM18AerXF6IpkOAkp1A2T +ayMgegEyvdRRVK67yc2MAvV2x1wouw6jYe31EH74Lr1WNSnsFFTBCeHsYqHxzasYdcR h71A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.201.227 with SMTP id kd3mr12357307vec.14.1376322199718; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 08:43:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5C681FDB-F58A-4B90-B03F-F5892D5C6768@gmail.com> References: <43C537AC-8A04-40CA-8DE9-171B036AEF00@baymoon.com> <5C681FDB-F58A-4B90-B03F-F5892D5C6768@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 17:43:19 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Taking the plunge From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 15:40:55 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Todd Matthews wrote: > MainStage 3 is not compatible with Mobius because the new version of > MainStage/Logic will only work with 64-bit plug-ins. Jeff is already working > it though so maybe by the time you incorporate a host then Mobius will be > 64-bit. Ops... I forgot about that. Sorry, fingers typed faster than brain. So true, actually the reason I'm running Augustus Loop now instead of Mobius in Mainstage 3. But that's a lot of fun too - since the new MIDI plugins let you set up wild LFO patterns to rock the pitch of Augustus. Can't wait to do this with future Mobius 64 bit :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 16:10:57 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8377918355C; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 16:10:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=BPGNlQ6PEkWivjS74LgC1g9DxByPQCFywrLFurcvh/o=; b=KFFQSm0nTJ4zmDOhrkDlEYt/obIqLWa5dTrbxb+6x17yofKZwu5X0IwJ2cEUH6vs2D u4D+sTEz23KE6uf6xKsc20rSIL9bQM6iIazCMkwo55QwRztbuG7fspr6Pwf2YHRDSNFQ 1zcNe3OQOzC9r7yXAe5mRoxXM0LfWvU7G+uTUFmJhTHi18/4unsP95XmMQmXMoDWpsRA LI2Rz+avNdSepxdbn0hOSwv3F9UWgmiHJjNW0VgFAnXGar31cjvNaii3+VJE+19/kGD7 rYMrTnOW4d+k7hGqBkxVk5vDuVOMD4A8a3scXUZpcTGz8g8D61LrFIp4TyKfEH5APCU+ Ta0Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.250.6 with SMTP id yy6mr7352900wjc.13.1376324000700; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:13:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <43C537AC-8A04-40CA-8DE9-171B036AEF00@baymoon.com> <5C681FDB-F58A-4B90-B03F-F5892D5C6768@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:13:20 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Taking the plunge From: Todd Elliott To: "loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c1ba4a28611e04e3c267ba Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 16:10:57 +0000 (UTC) --001a11c1ba4a28611e04e3c267ba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm also a fan of Bidule for this sort of thing-- I've used audiomulch as well, with varying degrees of success-- including setups where I used Bidule as a plugin within audiomulch. Since you're planning on using Mobius, Bidule will be just fine-- I like Audiomulch's loopers too much to quit it at the moment, but I'm probably going to do some Bidule only things for my looped/improv bumpf as I add guitar to it. On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Todd Matthews > wrote: > > MainStage 3 is not compatible with Mobius because the new version of > > MainStage/Logic will only work with 64-bit plug-ins. Jeff is already > working > > it though so maybe by the time you incorporate a host then Mobius will be > > 64-bit. > > Ops... I forgot about that. Sorry, fingers typed faster than brain. So > true, actually the reason I'm running Augustus Loop now instead of > Mobius in Mainstage 3. But that's a lot of fun too - since the new > MIDI plugins let you set up wild LFO patterns to rock the pitch of > Augustus. Can't wait to do this with future Mobius 64 bit :-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > -- http://toaster.bandcamp.com --001a11c1ba4a28611e04e3c267ba Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm also a fan of Bidule for this sort of thing-- I= 9;ve used audiomulch as well, with varying degrees of success-- including s= etups where I used Bidule as a plugin within audiomulch. Since you're p= lanning on using Mobius, Bidule will be just fine-- I like Audiomulch's= loopers too much to quit it at the moment, but I'm probably going to d= o some Bidule only things for my looped/improv bumpf as I add guitar to it.= =A0


On Mon, Aug 1= 2, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote= :
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Todd Matthews <gtmatthews@gmail.com> wrote:
> MainStage 3 is not compatible with Mobius because the new version of > MainStage/Logic will only work with 64-bit plug-ins. Jeff is already w= orking
> it though so maybe by the time you incorporate a host then Mobius will= be
> 64-bit.

Ops... I forgot about that. Sorry, fingers typed faster than brain. S= o
true, actually the reason I'm running Augustus Loop now instead of
Mobius in Mainstage 3. But that's a lot of fun too - since the new
MIDI plugins let you set up wild LFO patterns to rock the pitch of
Augustus. Can't wait to do this with future Mobius 64 bit :-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen




--
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--001a11c1ba4a28611e04e3c267ba-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 16:11:12 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63595183562; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 16:11:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=/tQ+9eydn85Gyw+G13W1b0L+EMIbmRFiNapnJ/9Zogo=; b=E9rlGHoeiuavi0vOBDVHXtMYVoAnkVF20xn9QMcwqqnscTV9PaYIiAwvNSLepKjflh ozfnBnYNyqNEvrBVuqUNPkRXrls7g8fTjwGEXSUy2VJOSk2osgIdSml3zPBOwBI0e7Ed E+VyloMFKfJ5rG71fCH6HUX9BPm+dscWaO/3u9HP5El0XpoSN0X7wMriuVWa16vsgv/n QH2nSwpvePwS0V1hBJHnRUQcqcQoSodRVNtdR/oZWmW7hyeGkqh8vbZIg4u/qTpF2JNJ x6hIDDCWUPBqs+WVl+Jx7HV15yrLJtj9fEBb0FhcG9MLQZBPtl8eDvlvhfzv+f3UHDyr Sfog== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.20.4 with SMTP id j4mr6838783wie.48.1376324015886; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:13:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:13:35 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Taking the plunge From: Lindsey Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec53f35dd10199a04e3c268d2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 16:11:12 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec53f35dd10199a04e3c268d2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The empty loop is my favorite for minimal collage and sliced sound. The mix can be left fairly open for unlooped improvisation with other musicians (or alone) or filled to chaotic proportions. Anyway, Per, does the EDP hang on to the sounds that disappeared due to the zero feedback setting or are they gone? Lindsey --bcaec53f35dd10199a04e3c268d2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The empty loop is my favorite for minimal collage and sliced sound.=A0 T= he mix can be left fairly open for unlooped improvisation with other musici= ans (or alone) or filled to chaotic proportions.

Anyway, Per, does the EDP hang on to the sounds that disappeared due to = the zero feedback setting or are they gone?

Lindsey

--bcaec53f35dd10199a04e3c268d2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 16:17:31 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 979C818355D; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 16:17:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=X34rJGVqMjY0mYp+nfoGszo1DMk4tyCNXe844/dgvQw=; b=qNyC66fKVEU+y8AZt2IQVmx/zohwLDewQ/0NDbc+mUY6yUfj1jdA6Ao0aI3Nqke87t dq9czuvgdrA1Hsrv65gnBwud1JmG40dmprw6Bz+YUX+XAuIDYUvAW4Sn6lWSkQ4OdpCW +HOCYKFiM2xbkStsmwcth4XDY2Evdm90BSZdEBchjmzVuqqgPQ2zc4Wyebcj7qlX3vOM 3DMNONzG2odVeGgX2wq87X06GTxZx8pJvbZd/5d+dPKE2Co2Ld4futOfLJ0TypQd2wd7 WVUU3kOA+rJy3lwSCsqqt3zqNrybUYiBoFaOcvuq8CU+0QARUTdpdNgS2u1+NSgXmgQw 5EqQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.127.202 with SMTP id ni10mr12046212veb.27.1376324395473; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:19:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 18:19:55 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Taking the plunge From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 16:17:31 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Lindsey Walker wrote: > Anyway, Per, does the EDP hang on to the sounds that disappeared due to the > zero feedback setting or are they gone? Hi Lindsey, On the EDP the sound of the previous loop round disappear as you "overwrite them" by a new round. That's why I used to do this trick with a long loop, often a lot longer than the musical part I was working on by going back and forth by the Reverse pedal. And as for addressing the additional plugin idea (Crossfade Loop Synth etc) it is a big point for me to have it all inside the main looper because I want to have the instant option of cutting out whatever part of a loop that I may be working on and make that part become the full loop in order to build it up in a new direction (EDP and Mobius both very good at this; "Multiply-->Multiply" or "Multiply-->Record"). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 17:40:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B29418355C; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 17:40:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 4345808/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.26.13/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.26.13 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAMUdCVJYbRoN/2dsb2JhbAANTsJfgTCDGAEBAQMBOEAGCwshFg8JAwIBAgFFHAGIBqQ8ki2QQhaDewOdeY5Y X-IPAS-Result: ApMBAMUdCVJYbRoN/2dsb2JhbAANTsJfgTCDGAEBAQMBOEAGCwshFg8JAwIBAgFFHAGIBqQ8ki2QQhaDewOdeY5Y X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,863,1367967600"; d="scan'208";a="4345808" Message-ID: <52091EA6.9020507@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 18:43:02 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Taking the plunge References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 17:40:22 +0000 (UTC) Lindsey Walker wrote: > Anyway, Per, does the EDP hang on to the sounds that disappeared due to > the zero feedback setting or are they gone? It would, they'd be available with Undo, BUT when you use Reverse you lose access to the loop memory, so in this case (the reverse shuffle) the answer is indeed 'no'. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 18:00:31 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A5DA18355D; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 18:00:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ASWGkhJms5ZgtkGf7E/fK4c0taVHlP8oJ8v/STApDZ4=; b=eXAQJnVAR2ZHjCxv973E4Xc8+R4KUov4+eQ8cV4tpf6JjgYcAi5xzwVRUsyDVvhvxh G0THVSd5vmDl+DopKHvlFKz13DyuuN47ie+OkjaAllnb2PyQ8uKw9GLgb4uYitkClvkc q59KFug/yhEAVINpRHeDNU+nD6FUOyUmktFFG+g2pTh4a5wBwZ2wdrRZZDuMMLN/pd3M JblgWpoUD4XcU6RhLDDRqo2ykWKK/8Fsg64N503TVFTHQK93xc0OW5jSGoAtLPzwEe8s OVOYqhE9RG9p6jhnj06NYBah8UI5ITIrw8lKoDO24rYFDVXr6bgEXWTt5EWS1dm19Dtq m1Og== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.98.3 with SMTP id ee3mr25739wib.48.1376330574290; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:02:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <52091EA6.9020507@tiscali.co.uk> References: <52091EA6.9020507@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:02:54 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Taking the plunge From: Lindsey Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d041827e4f963f804e3c3eeca Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 18:00:31 +0000 (UTC) --f46d041827e4f963f804e3c3eeca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 So you could take advantage of some stuttering between layers or is the only way to use reverse? --f46d041827e4f963f804e3c3eeca Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

So you could take advantage of some stuttering between layers or is the only way to use reverse?

--f46d041827e4f963f804e3c3eeca-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 18:29:46 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 817F6183557; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 18:29:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 1049571813/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.26.13/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.26.13 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjcDAO4pCVJYbRoN/2dsb2JhbAANTsJZBAMBgTGDGAEBAQMBOEAGCwsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBiAakPpIqkEIWg3sDnXmOWA X-IPAS-Result: AjcDAO4pCVJYbRoN/2dsb2JhbAANTsJZBAMBgTGDGAEBAQMBOEAGCwsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBiAakPpIqkEIWg3sDnXmOWA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,863,1367967600"; d="scan'208";a="1049571813" Message-ID: <52092A3A.2080502@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 19:32:26 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The importance of accidents in music. References: <05F5F339-87F4-46A8-904A-CD0445AA97F3@gmail.com> <5208B0C1.40402@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6JVCWD.A.R7E.amSCSB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 18:29:46 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > Per Boysen " For solo musicians its very important to develop strategies > to allow accidents to happen" Or rather, a musician needs to learn how to deal with it when accidents occur. > im not sure if this conversation is only regarding > improvisatinal music or not. ...exactly. I'd see it this way... Playing note for note renditions of composed pieces, and getting all the right notes in all the right place doesn't rule out the accidental element. To assume it's always lack of technique, a mistake, is a simplification. I can also see that something similar could happen when writing a composition. (actually, I'm sure it can) > more like an "unexpected turn of events". And they are very important in > music. I'd call it the "anomaly". Looking at it from the audience point of view it's only the musician's face and reaction that will give away if it's pre-planned, a total mistake or some kind of pre-programmed randomness. The EDP already works to create the anomaly (though personally I didn't find this happening in Andreas Willeas' loopfest performance as Matt describes) Loop windowing is of course the classic example, while in theory it's quite well defined what's going to happen it's all a bit complex to figure out, so the human input effectively becomes the randomising element. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 18:36:49 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08DED183557; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 18:36:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: William Walker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Taking the plunge Message-Id: <995A28CE-671C-439D-A4FD-E3D4D1CDAFD2@baymoon.com> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:39:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 18:36:48 +0000 (UTC) Thats what I'm talking about Thanks for the tips Todd, from your = description it sounds like a less chaotic version of the scramble = function on the Looperlative, something I was hoping to create in = software. For now I'm going to go with Ableton as a host, but start with = mobius by itself, and get that happening. The general consensus seems = to be that Ableton has the edge in terms of platform stability, and = since my mainframe is windows and I'm also considering partitioning this = computer for windows as well, this makes the most sense to me.=20 Thanks Bill Hey Bill, Right now MainStage 3 is not compatible with Mobius because the new = version of MainStage/Logic will only work with 64-bit plug-ins. Jeff is = already working it though so maybe by the time you incorporate a host = then Mobius will be 64-bit.=20 Check out the Shuffle - function in Mobius with your sub cycle number = dividing your loop into 8th notes then go to Presets - Functions - and = turn Shuffle to 'Random' Once you bind a footswitch to the shuffle function and build up a bed of = sound it will randomly shuffle the notes creating a cool rhythm similar = to sus replace.=20= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 20:31:57 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE54B18355C; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 20:31:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 445764.88796.bm@omp1087.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1376339660; bh=h5amPCcBdY0cMpHIWJuDBEAsem7t3Ht3eC6MJwmaa90=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yhhqeRGP7aqNdr6adWauutfZEKm4oFniGuDbVIZwANiwJACytFtjwoczOTD6/bkRCInvy5HsCpWYNyXA1UiAfJ4QRaNcPc+76pPiSHnuEzqpJ2rBmGo8CW6Ei2DChRj0ZT+rVifojnblMHun15WMWtNivC6uXRmL8OBWkiRZldc= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=eDHu+R/7K9MjoVdDmNF/ottEnn1jPPseqnePhjABt2NmYOh6IeWZ/xtwNqEssZRpBYA4FEsf1hMkyr1YV0jCC/NGOeSybpy2uzmIaIdYDSf9QbGJAMgU1iS7H2YcAwbhKC/Amz2/QG7LNmLGkWT7bTjf3YJ0uqmow8nkcCNnt5g=; X-YMail-OSG: MpO4QGEVM1mBOHiQMQsc3BTR42s73C51NzPwxyMiCeT4XkZ EfPl.LqHgD_07c4zOQ_3JJ9ZHbO7Eqc9xSqOu1Sf.FwaiM_5cAZK3_fFfQsD HLbMVGrPnAPmb1DoAUweQuULgHMPAKuD5wLDblDGC8RCWqIEBO6fYkN0c2Wx fwb5bBsHSeXukajahp9ImzpoDaM_TTpe.9IH9oHUmInE19H7YIYEXMfrzKEN _J6zsJLt5cQLVqodqGb4lBmX6.RU1N73tLsSQT0xjDlxzUzDPGik836otl5Z JYMkl3MzIwgSmqXiR3waU1t1BCt6hvjTIo4miYkBuXDs58_Qby4ca3W1nOVb efGZEK7vOBCWvBLZKVqDGl.iu4x.Dwl7DL3p2lYBtA5AjDIukgcNBCKTfY2y n3NoFtzsploHh98EzTyXRlpnUYGT68TKipB8CStsLY_zH0gruO.l4Et40.Vf OEnO4zrxCyGJNiG1yCnFQfRU3WmHH5JB.aL6EohaEjjvnnK25KIc6edqwg_W VELON5q.OF0h1Zeo8R_ixgEewmsiLpXaVZjszphlT57SPXec2KQ5sXp6QH5P KPTRnjd1F8hBnzhj_PJft91EQkmdfu60UR8jfwOIOnNvGOiNOTGKvEtvdYrv a_9j6dN24D9uwD0bO1jwVwYmRvLCrBeVdJCSOZHeS6EHiTmNmE3EWUkLB0WJ jf15WzIpNUfC730iboSC7wrvH8sZHLdArdQL6SYbCCDqb77S5rhlc5vwQgRR fxTNc_xFg3zONK9UfNbpnjlGyODEw.vTmKDgk6dC4 X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,SGV5IEplZmYsaGFzIHRoZSBzb2Z0c3RlcCBnb3R0ZW4gYW55IGJldHRlciBhbmQgYWRyZXNzZWQgYWxsIHBhc3QgaXNzdWVzPwoKaHR0cDovL3d3dy5teXNwYWNlLmNvbS9sdWlzYW5ndWxvY29tCiAKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCiBGcm9tOiBKZWZmIExhcnNvbiA8amVmZi5sYXJzb25Ac2FpbHBvaW50LmNvbT4KVG86ICJMb29wZXJzLURlbGlnaHRAbG9vcGVycy1kZWxpZ2h0LmNvbSIgPExvb3BlcnMtRGVsaWdodEBsb29wZXJzLWRlbGlnaHQuY29tPiAKU2VudDogV2VkbmVzZGEBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.154.571 References: Message-ID: <1376339660.43321.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 13:34:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Reply-To: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler? To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1929490892-1730744906-1376339660=:43321" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 20:31:57 +0000 (UTC) --1929490892-1730744906-1376339660=:43321 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Jeff,has the softstep gotten any better and adressed all past issues?= =0A=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A =0A=0A_______________________= _________=0A From: Jeff Larson =0ATo: "Loopers-D= elight@loopers-delight.com" =0ASent: = Wednesday, August 7, 2013 7:11 PM=0ASubject: Re: FCB1010 with Hardware Samp= ler?=0A =0A=0A=0AThe FCB1010 can send Note On on press and Note Off on rel= ease so you can use it to trigger a sampler. =A0I don't think it comes out = of the box that way but you can program it to send notes. =A0 The pedals ca= n be programmed to send any MIDI continuous controller including volume (7)= . =A0 If you haven't already bought one you might also consider this: =0A = =0Ahttp://www.keithmcmillen.com/12step/overview =0A =0AIt's smaller and the= layout is more like a keyboard if that matters, but you'll need a standalo= ne pedal. =0A =0AJeff =0A =0A =0A From: Benjamin Whitehouse =0AReply-To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" =0ADate: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 11:14 AM=0ATo: "Lo= opers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" =0A= Subject: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler?=0AResent-From: "Loopers-Delight@loo= pers-delight.com" =0AResent-Date: Wedn= esday, August 7, 2013 11:11 AM=0A =0A =0AHi! =0A =0AI've searched the websi= te and seen many posts for the FCB1010 but cannot find the answer I am look= ing for. =0A =0AI have the FCB1010 and I would like to use it to control a = sampler eg a Roland SP-303 however I have read posts on other forums sugges= ting that this will not work due to the FCB not sending note on midi messag= es. =0A =0AIs anyone here using the FCB1010 with a hardware sampler to trig= ger samples? =0A =0AIf not, is anyone using a different pedal/sampler arran= gement that they could recommend? I am a keyboard and guitarist and want to= be able to trigger samples on and off using the footpedal. If the volume p= edal can be used to control volume, that would be great too. =0A =0AThanks!= --1929490892-1730744906-1376339660=:43321 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Jeff,h= as the softstep gotten any better and adressed all past issues?
 
http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom

From: Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailp= oint.com>
To: "Loop= ers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>= ;
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 7:= 11 PM
Subject: Re: FCB= 1010 with Hardware Sampler?

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The FCB1010 can = send Note On on press and Note Off on release so you can use it to trigger = a sampler.  I don't think it comes out of the box that way but you can= program it to send notes.   The pedals can be programmed to send any = MIDI continuous controller=0A including volume (7).   If you haven't a= lready bought one you might also consider this:
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I have the FCB1010 and I woul= d like to use it to control a sampler eg a Roland SP-303 however I have rea= d posts on other forums suggesting that this will not work due to the FCB n= ot sending note on midi messages.
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If not, is anyone using a different pedal/samp= ler arrangement that they could recommend? I am a keyboard and guitarist an= d want to be able to trigger samples on and off using the footpedal. If the= volume pedal can be used to control volume, that=0A would be great too.=0A

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--1929490892-1730744906-1376339660=:43321-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 20:37:35 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62C5318355C; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 20:37:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , Luis Angulo Subject: RE: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler? Thread-Topic: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler? Thread-Index: AQHOk4kvv86NRKsdKECiea6pIhb6fJmJp4cAgAhoCwCAAABCGA== Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 20:39:49 +0000 Message-ID: <6859c766806f484497d2886ac0d5bd6f@BN1PR04MB105.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: ,<1376339660.43321.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1376339660.43321.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [173.226.147.242] x-forefront-prvs: 09368DB063 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM;SFS:(41574002)(199002)(189002)(377454003)(47446002)(56816003)(74366001)(74502001)(77096001)(76786001)(76576001)(83072001)(76796001)(31966008)(74662001)(19580405001)(19580385001)(83322001)(19580395003)(54316002)(76482001)(33646001)(59766001)(56776001)(554214002)(77982001)(46102001)(81342001)(66066001)(81542001)(74316001)(80022001)(15202345003)(63696002)(65816001)(53806001)(74706001)(69226001)(74876001)(51856001)(79102001)(50986001)(47976001)(47736001)(16406001)(49866001)(4396001)(16236675002)(81686001)(80976001)(54356001)(24704002)(24736002);DIR:OUT;SFP:;SCL:1;SRVR:BN1PR04MB108;H:BN1PR04MB105.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;CLIP:173.226.147.242;RD:InfoNoRecords;A:1;MX:1;LANG:en; Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_6859c766806f484497d2886ac0d5bd6fBN1PR04MB105namprd04pro_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 20:37:35 +0000 (UTC) --_000_6859c766806f484497d2886ac0d5bd6fBN1PR04MB105namprd04pro_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've heard that the software is much better but I haven't tried it. Beside= sthe software the biggest problem for me was the difficulty stepping on the= pads accurately. What I like about the newer 12 Step is that the back row= of pads is raised making it less likely you'll step on the front row while= aiming for the back row. I have not used it, but based on the photos it l= ooks like a big improvement. Jeff ________________________________ From: Luis Angulo Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 3:34 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler? Hey Jeff,has the softstep gotten any better and adressed all past issues? http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 7:11 PM Subject: Re: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler? The FCB1010 can send Note On on press and Note Off on release so you can us= e it to trigger a sampler. I don't think it comes out of the box that way = but you can program it to send notes. The pedals can be programmed to sen= d any MIDI continuous controller including volume (7). If you haven't alr= eady bought one you might also consider this: http://www.keithmcmillen.com/12step/overview It's smaller and the layout is more like a keyboard if that matters, but yo= u'll need a standalone pedal. Jeff From: Benjamin Whitehouse > Reply-To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Date: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 11:14 AM To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Subject: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler? Resent-From: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Resent-Date: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 11:11 AM Hi! I've searched the website and seen many posts for the FCB1010 but cannot fi= nd the answer I am looking for. I have the FCB1010 and I would like to use it to control a sampler eg a Rol= and SP-303 however I have read posts on other forums suggesting that this w= ill not work due to the FCB not sending note on midi messages. Is anyone here using the FCB1010 with a hardware sampler to trigger samples= ? If not, is anyone using a different pedal/sampler arrangement that they cou= ld recommend? I am a keyboard and guitarist and want to be able to trigger = samples on and off using the footpedal. If the volume pedal can be used to = control volume, that would be great too. Thanks! --_000_6859c766806f484497d2886ac0d5bd6fBN1PR04MB105namprd04pro_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've heard that the software is much better but I haven't tried it.  B= esidesthe software the biggest problem for me was the difficulty stepping o= n the pads accurately.  What I like about the newer 12 Step is that th= e back row of pads is raised making it less likely you'll step on the front row while aiming for the back row.  I= have not used it, but based on the photos it looks like a big improvement.

Jeff


From: Luis Angulo <louie= .angulo@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 3:34 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler?
 
Hey Jeff,has the softstep gotten any better and adressed all pas= t issues?
 
http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom

From: Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com>
To: "Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2= 013 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: FCB1010 with Ha= rdware Sampler?

The FCB1010 can send Note On on press and Note Off on release so you c= an use it to trigger a sampler.  I don't think it comes out of the box= that way but you can program it to send notes.   The pedals can be pr= ogrammed to send any MIDI continuous controller including volume (7).   If you haven't already bought one you might a= lso consider this:

http://www.keithmcmillen.com/12step/overview

It's smaller and the layout is more like a keyboard if that matters, b= ut you'll need a standalone pedal.

Jeff



From: Benjamin Whitehouse <bpw= hitehouse@gmail.com>
Reply-To: "Loop= ers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Deligh= t@loopers-delight.com>
Date: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 11:= 14 AM
To: "Loopers-De= light@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loop= ers-delight.com>
Subject: FCB1010 with Hardware Samp= ler?
Resent-From: "L= oopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Del= ight@loopers-delight.com>
Resent-Date: Wednesday, August 7, 2= 013 11:11 AM

Hi!

I've searched the website and seen many posts for the FCB1010 but cann= ot find the answer I am looking for.

I have the FCB1010 and I would like to use it to control a sampler eg = a Roland SP-303 however I have read posts on other forums suggesting that t= his will not work due to the FCB not sending note on midi messages.

Is anyone here using the FCB1010 with a hardware sampler to trigger sa= mples?

If not, is anyone using a different pedal/sampler arrangement that the= y could recommend? I am a keyboard and guitarist and want to be able to tri= gger samples on and off using the footpedal. If the volume pedal can be use= d to control volume, that would be great too.

Thanks!


--_000_6859c766806f484497d2886ac0d5bd6fBN1PR04MB105namprd04pro_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 21:05:53 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A378918355C; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 21:05:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=PDH5tOrG1kADmp33ePgn0pL1/rjrqNTeDEN/eMW5HTs=; b=OQeUWA/rOrDBPgbM9lFWCsiPOhvjS+VeKTOX6O+oSqoZ1YapFXy6zn8GmoyFatgh8G MBYCn/1MoT/y2zESfnYZE1GohMOhESi8fGBfnIuIp59ooYZ61H4L5YhyA7s8cSl76Lrl 5Dh0aK6n493T8dz18IF24AdC2Bw/a2NfZuS2mH2ZxBEbAlKvFZY4+L0csa9J9hkAfXfJ jMtsGZnNVJfl2/1kidj/YaJnmkOOdxlsrTSIBrXWHP2vD49LsF+Bxc9+NzWsfh6us0OF 5p2sAANFu0nTXqBgek27dIQmMA7I68gB+vNqP1aLjgLlacqzcqxlau41Ufb0HOv3IZ4Q U8rw== X-Received: by 10.112.9.195 with SMTP id c3mr594932lbb.33.1376341695094; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 14:08:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6859c766806f484497d2886ac0d5bd6f@BN1PR04MB105.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <1376339660.43321.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <6859c766806f484497d2886ac0d5bd6f@BN1PR04MB105.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> From: todd reynolds Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 17:07:35 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler? To: "Looper's Delight" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1135e1f6d3673804e3c68517 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 21:05:53 +0000 (UTC) --001a1135e1f6d3673804e3c68517 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sylvain, using the softstep with the midi expander is actually really reliable. In fact, I never use the softstep software. I programmed it once, and now plug it into ANY computer and have my presets all available in Standalone mode, works like a charm. I'm sure it's the same for the 12-step. Jeff, I haven't heard of a software upgrade, though since switching to > standalone mode, all my previous issues disappeared anyway. Has there be= en > one? > Cheers, all=85 Todd --001a1135e1f6d3673804e3c68517 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sylvain, using the softstep with the midi expander is actu= ally really reliable. =A0In fact, I never use the softstep software. =A0I p= rogrammed it once, and now plug it into ANY computer and have my presets al= l available in Standalone mode, works like a charm. =A0I'm sure it'= s the same for the 12-step.=A0


Jeff, I haven't hea= rd of a software upgrade, though since switching to standalone mode, all my= previous issues disappeared anyway. =A0Has there been one?

= Cheers, all=85=A0

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--001a1135e1f6d3673804e3c68517-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 21:12:43 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6827518355C; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 21:12:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=5UkqkeMBVUHPuGT3yvJiHnnXHY0iCKZpugJIvZX+d78=; b=v58dv6+DDvbLSjBsI7Nf8aPomz8SpZw1Ob66LXLoGPLDvwfcOs3FVHbjzZcmjgQfTG ipGFoWM+YCm3TT2TbWHLvRgfIfrZ9Bt+Fh7zq5+wm26bxxI8INY83spf3nnjKEPOdgam 08MbsXL59BMz0gbmRcqR8qXojODdVoFeWduHpE0x8D8CE5zvozKh+2ku7+d1e0qNPSH6 Htx4YhSWsf8N1M650hsuXWQXh7UC0wln/vwN3jv/lzLOJzZG8sQwnZi5VZ/cCZVacgjZ pe+igG6Sv5RD6CfoBeXuddOkq5OIEmxupH38AoDbzB3+Ehy6xwoSAMF80rHoPRWT1Frz nsow== X-Received: by 10.152.2.74 with SMTP id 10mr658632las.36.1376342105464; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 14:15:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: todd reynolds Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 17:14:25 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Not_sure_if_Steve_ever_shared_this_here=85Looping_mu?= =?windows-1252?Q?sic?= To: "Looper's Delight" , Steve Lawson Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01228e5a4929ec04e3c69ec6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 21:12:43 +0000 (UTC) --089e01228e5a4929ec04e3c69ec6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 http://music.stevelawson.net/track/improv-no-1-steve-with-todd-reynolds >From Steve Lawson and myself, several years ago. Looperlative on his side, Mobius on mine (thanks Jeff Larson), and recorded live in concert at The Elf Parlor, North Adams, MA. sounds good loud. Hoping you might find it enjoyable. --089e01228e5a4929ec04e3c69ec6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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From Steve Lawson and myself,= several years ago. =A0Looperlative on his side, Mobius on mine (thanks Jef= f Larson), and recorded live in concert at The Elf Parlor, North Adams, MA.= =A0

sounds good loud. Hoping you might find it enjoyable.=A0


--089e01228e5a4929ec04e3c69ec6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 21:47:38 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BA6B183560; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 21:47:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=IPS0DoAPcvRtfzWqbbWGxygsiGlqEHs+f/dagW0z3YI=; b=Cpu9Kyo5ktuqXMFnhRaH04F46QJJHNn1hvZ9cXbKg5SSbNfibW3rWJ/p5pRZuZf1xR K8FbC3M3s9Jg70u6osnVMPVxV3vhWtiQX5YKsJ11dgBSmzG6mjMfEEQ/hhBeC5WuvRG8 OkZdr7VP4x3SpXQ2O9/B+2YDqGWKqeosdKGzehaqjz0EdlMSlTSRRl0RKfrvBr6bB7Qe 7DedNYsPaw3QL0rmq1byBTKTJq9TJVy9ZBD8ZlY8s4DqU5dtuoNcp83xokUYdC/tqgih TDmqW0BneFTGuPow0Fjqi0tiIKwthziKaRYk8Kk1LtVS7s6ADlSH4VOdeBBhvRWLBkDP UUUw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.177.196 with SMTP id cs4mr1097984pbc.45.1376344200399; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 14:50:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1376339660.43321.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <6859c766806f484497d2886ac0d5bd6f@BN1PR04MB105.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 17:50:00 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler? From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd76b3e27534e04e3c71bc3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 21:47:38 +0000 (UTC) --047d7bd76b3e27534e04e3c71bc3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey Todd, I'm sure it works fine, but it negates one of the 12 step's selling points for me: it fits in the 1U drawer I have in my rack case where I keep my mic and cables. The expander is one more piece of gear that can get damaged when someone trips over it, gets stolen or forgotten somewhere. All of these scenarios are not merely theoretical in my case... Sylvain On Monday, August 12, 2013, todd reynolds wrote: > Sylvain, using the softstep with the midi expander is actually really > reliable. In fact, I never use the softstep software. I programmed it > once, and now plug it into ANY computer and have my presets all available > in Standalone mode, works like a charm. I'm sure it's the same for the > 12-step. > > --047d7bd76b3e27534e04e3c71bc3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Todd,
I'm sure it works fine, but it negates one of the 12 step= 's=A0selling points for me: it fits in the 1U drawer I have in my rack = case where I keep my mic and cables. =A0The expander is one more piece of g= ear that can get damaged when someone trips over it, gets stolen or forgott= en somewhere. =A0All of these scenarios are not merely=A0theoretical in my = case...
Sylvain

On Monday, August 12, 2013, todd reynolds wrote:
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Sylvain, using the softstep= with the midi expander is actually really reliable. =A0In fact, I never us= e the softstep software. =A0I programmed it once, and now plug it into ANY = computer and have my presets all available in Standalone mode, works like a= charm. =A0I'm sure it's the same for the 12-step.=A0<= div class=3D"gmail_extra">
--047d7bd76b3e27534e04e3c71bc3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 22:53:01 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 229A218355B; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 22:53:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bV78HC6xcT9o/ybXgx/pLP8eVNtA5dvIuorgQAPFGKE=; b=pQ8AM4LYBZV3o9m44OUugNDt99/xuTxBxFN82Rt0QkMcwbizokRwwY8qQRmDbC5iyh ORN/6/UY+jitoN4kooEMIpGTZM5f44udAUXZUlot5ZfnJMTwg1mdOlybP1FaOuNI7aTz GaxyfRHDudNRKVUF/kiN3mnHvh9dybhJG7yV01WSr/3WgsTmIu1dmYhl7wFiAyT18PkW MWx990HN7T2LY2mOGYZ8Fu+Hu1o6ChabkeXchpE28O0azAFCHi4Yo1WSVk5B6EXLaMZR ccF3s9DfOM9MM3hhmefi+W3kQjLxRqicPTxtKFI8EU80Ne7I2ws4qvAFHFs5LtZ87x+B NWLg== X-Received: by 10.15.34.65 with SMTP id d41mr1595425eev.45.1376348122292; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 15:55:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <520967D8.5050700@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 00:55:20 +0200 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The importance of accidents in music. References: <05F5F339-87F4-46A8-904A-CD0445AA97F3@gmail.com> <5208B0C1.40402@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5208B0C1.40402@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130812-1, 12.08.2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 22:53:01 +0000 (UTC) Am 12.08.2013 11:54, schrieb andy butler: > http://youtu.be/9i9WregvsOI > > any thoughts? I really enjoy the groove of glass shattering and children screaming, starting around 3:00... 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To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1298053209-1517208931-1376358814=:72655" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 01:51:14 +0000 (UTC) ---1298053209-1517208931-1376358814=:72655 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=0AI just went to the site to check out the 12 Step. I even perused the = FAQs. One question that I was hoping to see was "hey, how can we play all 1= 2 tones of the octave with only 8 footpads?" Clearly I am too stupid to pla= y this thing (sigh). :(=0A=0A=0ATo: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <= Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> =0ASent: Monday, August 12, 2013 5:50 = PM=0ASubject: Re: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler?=0A =0A=0A=0AHey Todd,=0AI'= m sure it works fine, but it negates one of the 12 step's=A0selling points = for me: it fits in the 1U drawer I have in my rack case where I keep my mic= and cables. =A0The expander is one more piece of gear that can get damaged= when someone trips over it, gets stolen or forgotten somewhere. =A0All of = these scenarios are not merely=A0theoretical in my case...=0ASylvain=0A=0AO= n Monday, August 12, 2013, todd reynolds wrote:=0A=0ASylvain, using the so= ftstep with the midi expander is actually really reliable. =A0In fact, I ne= ver use the softstep software. =A0I programmed it once, and now plug it int= o ANY computer and have my presets all available in Standalone mode, works = like a charm. =A0I'm sure it's the same for the 12-step.=A0=0A>=0A> ---1298053209-1517208931-1376358814=:72655 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I just went to the site to check out the 12 Step. I= even perused the FAQs. One question that I was hoping to see was "hey, how= can we play all 12 tones of the octave with only 8 footpads?" Clearly I am= too stupid to play this thing (sigh). :(


To= : "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loop= ers-delight.com>
Sent:= Monday, August 12, 2013 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler?

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Hey Todd,
I'm sure it works fine, but it negates one of the 12 s= tep's selling points for me: it fits in the 1U drawer I have in my rac= k case where I keep my mic and cables.  The expander is one more piece= of gear that can get damaged when someone trips over it, gets stolen or fo= rgotten somewhere.  All of these scenarios are not merely theoret= ical in my case...
=0ASylvain

On Monday, August 12, 2013, = todd reynolds wrote:
Sylvain, using the softstep with the midi expander is actually re= ally reliable.  In fact, I never use the softstep software.  I pr= ogrammed it once, and now plug it into ANY computer and have my presets all= available in Standalone mode, works like a charm.  I'm sure it's the = same for the 12-step. 
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---1298053209-1517208931-1376358814=:72655-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 02:19:35 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB468183558; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 02:19:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=bXm+DI+g97XHuwYcZo9r2Yg6ZpIBELPAaQW2V9COQvs=; b=EIBJzwAQiAFeIPIUYlNkkqlI3L1kYkK/DCO4EKmHsWk87tdCuTdq5BqILhpjonmUkp agIxWy2em+xL7kyp9YdcPF/ebwe8eF6FndxyFZR2AwXUlgjhWVLaJcuAC4n1DOxcLPZa 6XLkMKyz1DV6vXIS7MJFlGC0h71EewjE6QtA7bqgi2bMYkVdAlP46bd5NiBj80fQvYOe mW+hnY+9JePqndcy5b54POHm3X9fgyuVlEKOlA7f8xZ/MZnqJYhjVcbxK1byggagVrJI g6DZnUmE2W9aj2xpiIu7nKX0yI37DLsdzjqtzUmgFLWblsyCNMmkHK1veiFg4gXjXc9L 4aQg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.110.39 with SMTP id hx7mr1286570wjb.4.1376360515644; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 19:21:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <520967D8.5050700@googlemail.com> References: <05F5F339-87F4-46A8-904A-CD0445AA97F3@gmail.com> <5208B0C1.40402@tiscali.co.uk> <520967D8.5050700@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 22:21:55 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The importance of accidents in music. From: Bennett Williams To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e010d8a029e318704e3cae736 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 02:19:34 +0000 (UTC) --089e010d8a029e318704e3cae736 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am ALL about using looping to help both create and manipulate "happy accidents" in music. I love manipulating my gear and coming up with interesting sounds that I know were just by change, but I got them in the looper and then I use them. In the link below for example, I used an Infernal Noise Machine analog noise synthesizer, with a Moog voltage controlling pedal and a Moog Etherwave Theremin plus as a voltage controller. The audio output went through my Booomerang w/ Side Car, and I was looping like mad with all 4 tracks; adding, stacking, deleting, reversing... over and over again while I was at the same time changing the parameters on the voltage controls. What I ended up with was an extremely complicated and nasty palate of noise that keeps changing and changing. If you're into avant-garde noise, or want to hear some truly wacked-out looping, please give this a listen. Happy accidents.... I am a big fan. https://soundcloud.com/bennettwilliams/sets/recognizer -Bennett On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill < moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote: > Am 12.08.2013 11:54, schrieb andy butler: > >> http://youtu.be/9i9WregvsOI >> >> any thoughts? >> > I really enjoy the groove of glass shattering and children screaming, > starting around 3:00... > > I also would like to question Per's statement starting around 16:20: if I > take a two-handed broadsword and ram it through a PPG Wave 2.3 it's > rubbish, but if I ram it through a Zither it's useable "because of the laws > of physics and tradition"? > > Rainer > > -- *Bennett Williams* * http://www.bennettwilliams.net http://bennettwilliams.bandcamp.com/ http://www.soundcloud.com/bennettwilliams* --089e010d8a029e318704e3cae736 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am ALL about using looping to help both create and = manipulate "happy accidents" in music. I love manipulating my gea= r and coming up with interesting sounds that I know were just by change, bu= t I got them in the looper and then I use them. In the link below for examp= le, I used an Infernal Noise Machine analog noise synthesizer, with a Moog = voltage controlling pedal and a Moog Etherwave Theremin plus as a voltage c= ontroller. The audio output went through my Booomerang w/ Side Car, and I w= as looping like mad with all 4 tracks; adding, stacking, deleting, reversin= g... over and over again while I was at the same time changing the paramete= rs on the voltage controls. What I ended up with was an extremely complicat= ed and nasty palate of noise that keeps changing and changing. If you'r= e into avant-garde noise, or want to hear some truly wacked-out looping, pl= ease give this a listen. Happy accidents.... I am a big fan.

http= s://soundcloud.com/bennettwilliams/sets/recognizer

-Bennet= t




On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote:
Am 12.08.2013 11:54, schrieb andy butler:
http://youtu.be/9= i9WregvsOI

any thoughts?
I really enjoy the groove of glass shattering and children screaming, start= ing around 3:00...

I also would like to question Per's statement starting around 16:20: if= I take a two-handed broadsword and ram it through a PPG Wave 2.3 it's = rubbish, but if I ram it through a Zither it's useable "because of= the laws of physics and tradition"?

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Rainer




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Ben= nett Williams

http://www.bennettwilliams.net
http://bennettwilliams.band= camp.com/
htt= p://www.soundcloud.com/bennettwilliams

--089e010d8a029e318704e3cae736-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 03:15:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01AF618355C; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 03:15:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , Tim Mungenast Subject: RE: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler? Thread-Topic: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler? Thread-Index: AQHOk4kvv86NRKsdKECiea6pIhb6fJmJp4cAgAhoCwCAAABCGIAACQiAgAAL2gCAAEQNAIAAFVnx Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 03:17:40 +0000 Message-ID: References: <1376339660.43321.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <6859c766806f484497d2886ac0d5bd6f@BN1PR04MB105.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> ,<1376358814.72655.YahooMailNeo@web84504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1376358814.72655.YahooMailNeo@web84504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [173.226.147.242] x-forefront-prvs: 0937FB07C5 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM;SFS:(189002)(199002)(24454002)(377454003)(80022001)(74316001)(15202345003)(56776001)(81542001)(65816001)(63696002)(77982001)(59766001)(66066001)(81342001)(46102001)(81686001)(16236675002)(54356001)(80976001)(69226001)(51856001)(74876001)(53806001)(74706001)(49866001)(16406001)(47736001)(4396001)(50986001)(79102001)(47976001)(31966008)(83322001)(19580385001)(19580405001)(74662001)(76796001)(83072001)(76576001)(76786001)(47446002)(74502001)(56816003)(77096001)(74366001)(19580395003)(54316002)(33646001)(76482001)(24736002);DIR:OUT;SFP:;SCL:1;SRVR:BN1PR04MB107;H:BN1PR04MB105.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;CLIP:173.226.147.242;RD:InfoNoRecords;MX:1;A:1;LANG:en; Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_ed5bf1087eae428d814ab56fe355bba7BN1PR04MB105namprd04pro_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 03:15:21 +0000 (UTC) --_000_ed5bf1087eae428d814ab56fe355bba7BN1PR04MB105namprd04pro_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's got 13 pads. The top row are your "black" keys. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DvcBclyCmdRw ________________________________ From: Tim Mungenast Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 8:53 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler? I just went to the site to check out the 12 Step. I even perused the FAQs. = One question that I was hoping to see was "hey, how can we play all 12 tone= s of the octave with only 8 footpads?" Clearly I am too stupid to play this= thing (sigh). :( To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 5:50 PM Subject: Re: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler? Hey Todd, I'm sure it works fine, but it negates one of the 12 step's selling points = for me: it fits in the 1U drawer I have in my rack case where I keep my mic= and cables. The expander is one more piece of gear that can get damaged w= hen someone trips over it, gets stolen or forgotten somewhere. All of thes= e scenarios are not merely theoretical in my case... Sylvain On Monday, August 12, 2013, todd reynolds wrote: Sylvain, using the softstep with the midi expander is actually really relia= ble. In fact, I never use the softstep software. I programmed it once, an= d now plug it into ANY computer and have my presets all available in Standa= lone mode, works like a charm. I'm sure it's the same for the 12-step. --_000_ed5bf1087eae428d814ab56fe355bba7BN1PR04MB105namprd04pro_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's got 13 pads.  The top row are your "black" keys.




From: Tim Mungenast <tmu= ngenast@verizon.net>
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 8:53 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler?
 

I just went to the site to check out the 12 Step. I even p= erused the FAQs. One question that I was hoping to see was "hey, how c= an we play all 12 tones of the octave with only 8 footpads?" Clearly I= am too stupid to play this thing (sigh). :(


= To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-= Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Monday, August 12, 201= 3 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: FCB1010 with Ha= rdware Sampler?

Hey Todd,
I'm sure it works fine, but it negates one of the 12 step's selli= ng points for me: it fits in the 1U drawer I have in my rack case where I k= eep my mic and cables.  The expander is one more piece of gear that ca= n get damaged when someone trips over it, gets stolen or forgotten somewhere.  All of these scenarios are not m= erely theoretical in my case...
Sylvain

On Monday, August 12, 2013, todd reynolds wrote:
Sylvain, using the softstep with the midi expander is actu= ally really reliable.  In fact, I never use the softstep software. &nb= sp;I programmed it once, and now plug it into ANY computer and have my pres= ets all available in Standalone mode, works like a charm.  I'm sure it's the same for the 12-step. 



--_000_ed5bf1087eae428d814ab56fe355bba7BN1PR04MB105namprd04pro_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 06:27:13 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB770183558; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 06:27:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=/KZ/39MGSO28XiQo6J9HRHj/p4Yug2uz+xeySKtd/vY=; b=kSXbK4fSG+wmimMyN3AK3M2ETz8WcInajzIp643EuMsieXDhTDTnTEgqVws6rOlonW wuplinJlvVgBu90VwucjBg1ZxDsH9Gsyb8g4nuzFybOOnwXpwyicYop+q/RYM0wnydyg TdIdlRZzskP8d4322Jbg+XtEK3ozIFmpwVPj/56zZXSGf1i/Vg9FtdgIazccQ+oi/PaQ vmMf+O2QnEJyicgqhYLWl95CWH5fb9xUv9T74JGhfzs0+BY6LOY4KrtKZDuqvYZZxSyy SCiIPGMF2C8SFYtOXtWGUcugVzhS3b2AGwlEgo3/nYg2Ps1UhaZkuzV0I1HkjJgsaCNz vYkw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.76.130 with SMTP id k2mr1567687vew.24.1376375374686; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 23:29:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 08:29:34 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_Not_sure_if_Steve_ever_shared_this_here=85Loopin?= =?windows-1252?Q?g_music?= From: Johannes Korn To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b3a86f649312404e3ce5dee Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 06:27:13 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b3a86f649312404e3ce5dee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Todd, that is very nice (and inspiring)! I did enjoy it. Cheers, Johannes 2013/8/12 todd reynolds > http://music.stevelawson.net/track/improv-no-1-steve-with-todd-reynolds > > From Steve Lawson and myself, several years ago. Looperlative on his > side, Mobius on mine (thanks Jeff Larson), and recorded live in concert at > The Elf Parlor, North Adams, MA. > > sounds good loud. Hoping you might find it enjoyable. > > > -- jenko.nashorn@gmail.com <--jenko.nashorn@gmail.com> http://soundcloud.com/jenko-nashorn --047d7b3a86f649312404e3ce5dee Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Todd,

that is very nice (and ins= piring)! I did enjoy it.

Cheers,
Johannes


2013/8/12 todd reynolds <toddreyn@gmail.com>
http://music.stevelawson.net/tr= ack/improv-no-1-steve-with-todd-reynolds

From Steve = Lawson and myself, several years ago. =A0Looperlative on his side, Mobius o= n mine (thanks Jeff Larson), and recorded live in concert at The Elf Parlor= , North Adams, MA.=A0

sounds good loud. Hoping you might find it enjoyable.=A0





--

jenko.nashorn@gmail.com
<= a href=3D"http://soundcloud.com/jenko-nashorn" target=3D"_blank">http://sou= ndcloud.com/jenko-nashorn

--047d7b3a86f649312404e3ce5dee-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 09:43:30 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48A1518355E; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:43:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 301 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at arsenic; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:43:30 UTC X-TMN: [2kXz1Pir5P2OedNGWebvVTz33nQFVGGr] X-Originating-Email: [anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_359414a6-3c86-4c23-a591-07d12abef952_" From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: Simple gear summer looping.. (music inside) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:40:49 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2013 09:40:48.0952 (UTC) FILETIME=[314C1380:01CE9809] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:43:30 +0000 (UTC) --_359414a6-3c86-4c23-a591-07d12abef952_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So while on vacation in our little summer cottage i attended the nearby Nor= bergfestival=2C at the same time the wife saw a mice in the cottage.. So in= the cottage I had guitar=2C amp and a EH Stereo Memory Man with Hazarai.. = i rigged it up and played around with the Memory Man and found it to be abl= e to make a whole lot of noise and goodies.. I had the box on an a table an= d manipulated the knobs.. GREAT FUN..I recorded it with the my Ipad (inbuil= t microphone in mono) then just put it into and audio edit tool and made it= stereo by having one copy of the track hard left and another=2C starting a= few milliseconds later=2C hard right.. so no effects except a bit of EQ us= ed to take away some harshness that occurred when overdriving the Ipad mike= .. So one can have great fun and make some rather interesting noise with si= mple gear and a bit of inspiration.. By the way.. no mice since.. :-)https://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/scar= ing-the-mice = --_359414a6-3c86-4c23-a591-07d12abef952_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
So while on vacation in our litt= le summer cottage i attended the nearby Norbergfestival=2C at the same time= the wife saw a mice in the cottage.. =3B
So in the cottage I had g= uitar=2C amp and a EH Stereo Memory Man with Hazarai.. i rigged it up and p= layed around with the Memory Man and found it to be able to make a whole lo= t of noise and goodies.. I had the box on an a table and manipulated the kn= obs.. GREAT FUN..
I recorded it with the my Ipad (inbuilt microph= one in mono) then just put it into and audio edit tool and made it stereo b= y having one copy of the track hard left and another=2C starting a few mill= iseconds later=2C hard right.. so no effects except a bit of EQ used to tak= e away some harshness that occurred when overdriving the Ipad mike.. = =3B
So one can have great fun and make some rather interesting no= ise with simple gear and a bit of inspiration..

By= the way.. no mice since.. :-)
= --_359414a6-3c86-4c23-a591-07d12abef952_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 09:46:11 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FBDC18355B; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:46:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-TMN: [jSUEjty/tvT9bcVkfuLMuW4qdoYU7lIl] X-Originating-Email: [anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_074a734c-0522-4825-ad28-3f9ec9e37f0f_" From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: The importance of accidents in music. Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:48:31 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,<05F5F339-87F4-46A8-904A-CD0445AA97F3@gmail.com>,,,<5208B0C1.40402@tiscali.co.uk>,<520967D8.5050700@googlemail.com>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2013 09:48:30.0815 (UTC) FILETIME=[4496C6F0:01CE980A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:46:11 +0000 (UTC) --_074a734c-0522-4825-ad28-3f9ec9e37f0f_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow Bennet that was pretty cool.. this summer i listened to to Dror Feiler = live at the Norbergfestival=2C sounds rather like this track but louder and= more angry.. he uses saxophones and an old synth to make noise.. it was ra= ther cool live even if it was mostly noise when you get into it it is rathe= r like some sort of meditation... Happy accidents is also what got me into = looping=2C it a way to get surprised and inspired without a need of a band = to make mistakes.. i make them all by myself..=20 :-) Date: Mon=2C 12 Aug 2013 22:21:55 -0400 Subject: Re: The importance of accidents in music. From: bennettwilliamsdrums@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com I am ALL about using looping to help both create and manipulate "happy acci= dents" in music. I love manipulating my gear and coming up with interesting= sounds that I know were just by change=2C but I got them in the looper and= then I use them. In the link below for example=2C I used an Infernal Noise= Machine analog noise synthesizer=2C with a Moog voltage controlling pedal = and a Moog Etherwave Theremin plus as a voltage controller. The audio outpu= t went through my Booomerang w/ Side Car=2C and I was looping like mad with= all 4 tracks=3B adding=2C stacking=2C deleting=2C reversing... over and ov= er again while I was at the same time changing the parameters on the voltag= e controls. What I ended up with was an extremely complicated and nasty pal= ate of noise that keeps changing and changing. If you're into avant-garde n= oise=2C or want to hear some truly wacked-out looping=2C please give this a= listen. Happy accidents.... I am a big fan.=20 =0A= https://soundcloud.com/bennettwilliams/sets/recognizer -Bennett =0A= On Mon=2C Aug 12=2C 2013 at 6:55 PM=2C Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschil= l wrote: =0A= Am 12.08.2013 11:54=2C schrieb andy butler: =0A= =0A= http://youtu.be/9i9WregvsOI =0A= =0A= any thoughts? =0A= =0A= I really enjoy the groove of glass shattering and children screaming=2C sta= rting around 3:00... =0A= =0A= I also would like to question Per's statement starting around 16:20: if I t= ake a two-handed broadsword and ram it through a PPG Wave 2.3 it's rubbish= =2C but if I ram it through a Zither it's useable "because of the laws of p= hysics and tradition"? =0A= =0A= =0A= Rainer =0A= =0A= --=20 Bennett Williams http://www.bennettwilliams.net http://bennettwilliams.bandcamp.com/ =0A= http://www.soundcloud.com/bennettwilliams =0A= = --_074a734c-0522-4825-ad28-3f9ec9e37f0f_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wow Bennet that was pretty cool.= . this summer i listened to to Dror Feiler live at the Norbergfestival=2C s= ounds rather like this track but louder and more angry.. he uses saxophones= and an old synth to make noise.. it was rather cool live even if it was mo= stly noise when you get into it it is rather like some sort of meditation..= . =3B
Happy accidents is also what got me into looping=2C it a way = to get surprised and inspired without a need of a band to make mistakes.. i= make them all by myself.. =3B

:-)


Date: Mon=2C 12 Aug 2013 22:21:55 -0400
Subject= : Re: The importance of accidents in music.
From: bennettwilliamsdrums@g= mail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

I am ALL about using looping to help both create and manipulate "happ= y accidents" in music. I love manipulating my gear and coming up with inter= esting sounds that I know were just by change=2C but I got them in the loop= er and then I use them. In the link below for example=2C I used an Infernal= Noise Machine analog noise synthesizer=2C with a Moog voltage controlling = pedal and a Moog Etherwave Theremin plus as a voltage controller. The audio= output went through my Booomerang w/ Side Car=2C and I was looping like ma= d with all 4 tracks=3B adding=2C stacking=2C deleting=2C reversing... over = and over again while I was at the same time changing the parameters on the = voltage controls. What I ended up with was an extremely complicated and nas= ty palate of noise that keeps changing and changing. If you're into avant-g= arde noise=2C or want to hear some truly wacked-out looping=2C please give = this a listen. Happy accidents.... I am a big fan.
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https://soundcloud.com/bennettwilliams/sets/recognizer
-Bennett




=0A= On Mon=2C Aug 12=2C 2013 at 6:55 PM=2C Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschil= l <=3Bmoinsound@googlemail.com>=3B wrote:
=0A= Am 12.08.2013 11:54=2C schrieb andy butler:
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=0A= http://youtu.be/9= i9WregvsOI
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=0A= any thoughts?
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=0A= I really enjoy the groove of glass shattering and children screaming=2C sta= rting around 3:00...
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=0A= I also would like to question Per's statement starting around 16:20: if I t= ake a two-handed broadsword and ram it through a PPG Wave 2.3 it's rubbish= =2C but if I ram it through a Zither it's useable "because of the laws of p= hysics and tradition"?=0A= =0A=
=0A=  =3B  =3B  =3B  =3B  =3B  =3B Rainer
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Ben= nett Williams

http://www.bennettwilliams.net
http://bennettwilliams.band= camp.com/
=0A= htt= p://www.soundcloud.com/bennettwilliams

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= --_074a734c-0522-4825-ad28-3f9ec9e37f0f_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 17:18:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0916F18355C; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 17:18:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:references :to:in-reply-to; bh=dK6ZCxBdHE0+wXa/wnjE/RLMjpcpS+rK6JPdy7pbdng=; b=A1h8XG/EkTNWduwAXOakUBuZHQMg2Jqee24YQyDdcFnvFC7PTBU+ht1KlWL80pT18x L+yKkbbFhAkUzGbpLV6Jd/10RI3Bqrcz3FDpsqMmUcggHaD/GLQbwBfyloTObhkZc6vs qfTPMHq23SebnRQg4E50u9XY5XfQrtyl+Yr70AY9KgRqD+QgUn0JpIw0pkUADnfW+G+F SN2sHLWRpG7skpU93HU3Stz014FaRUIMHIv4F9jxTfY2gwg+SM/TbcZk78nwYT4Si3Ua kFpV98REYAWmpThCr6myLPiCN7m5oShwTHxW47IO2Pb2cvmUQLXAuASHEqdFD4bL4KU2 hUPw== X-Received: by 10.224.13.141 with SMTP id c13mr1873086qaa.22.1376414420036; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 10:20:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Matthews Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_87AB16CE-9EC2-44F0-8D30-31392C8E516C" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) Subject: Re: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler? Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:20:17 -0400 References: <1376339660.43321.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <6859c766806f484497d2886ac0d5bd6f@BN1PR04MB105.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> ,<1376358814.72655.YahooMailNeo@web84504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 17:18:01 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_87AB16CE-9EC2-44F0-8D30-31392C8E516C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have been checking this one out as well. I'm wondering if it has a = little more tactile feedback than the soft step? That would be perfect = if you could feel the footswitch press even just a little with your = foot. --------------------------------- Todd Matthews, Bassist My Darling Fury Listen HERE Watch HERE Pledge HERE On Aug 12, 2013, at 11:17 PM, Jeff Larson = wrote: > It's got 13 pads. The top row are your "black" keys. >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DvcBclyCmdRw >=20 >=20 > From: Tim Mungenast > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 8:53 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler? > =20 >=20 > I just went to the site to check out the 12 Step. I even perused the = FAQs. One question that I was hoping to see was "hey, how can we play = all 12 tones of the octave with only 8 footpads?" Clearly I am too = stupid to play this thing (sigh). :( >=20 >=20 > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" = =20 > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 5:50 PM > Subject: Re: FCB1010 with Hardware Sampler? >=20 > Hey Todd, > I'm sure it works fine, but it negates one of the 12 step's selling = points for me: it fits in the 1U drawer I have in my rack case where I = keep my mic and cables. The expander is one more piece of gear that can = get damaged when someone trips over it, gets stolen or forgotten = somewhere. All of these scenarios are not merely theoretical in my = case... > Sylvain >=20 > On Monday, August 12, 2013, todd reynolds wrote: > Sylvain, using the softstep with the midi expander is actually really = reliable. In fact, I never use the softstep software. I programmed it = once, and now plug it into ANY computer and have my presets all = available in Standalone mode, works like a charm. I'm sure it's the = same for the 12-step.=20 --Apple-Mail=_87AB16CE-9EC2-44F0-8D30-31392C8E516C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I have been checking this one = out as well. I'm wondering if it has a little more tactile feedback than = the soft step? That would be perfect if you could feel the footswitch = press even just a little with your foot.
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Watch HERE
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Pledge HERE






On Aug 12, 2013, at 11:17 PM, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com>= ; wrote:

It's got 13 pads. =  The top row are your "black" keys.


=

 Tim = Mungenast <tmungenast@verizon.net>
<= b>Sent: Monday, = August 12, 2013 8:53 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
Subject: Re: FCB1010 with Hardware = Sampler?
 

I = just went to the site to check out the 12 Step. I even perused the FAQs. = One question that I was hoping to see was "hey, how can we play all 12 = tones of the octave with only 8 footpads?" Clearly I am too stupid to = play this thing (sigh). :(


 "Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com> 
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 = 5:50 PM
 Re: FCB1010 with Hardware = Sampler?

Hey Todd,
I'm = sure it works fine, but it negates one of the 12 step's selling = points for me: it fits in the 1U drawer I have in my rack case where I = keep my mic and cables.  The expander is one more piece of gear = that can get damaged when someone trips over it, gets stolen or = forgotten somewhere.  All of these scenarios are not = merely theoretical in my case...
Sylvain

On = Monday, August 12, 2013, todd reynolds wrote:
Sylvain, = using the softstep with the midi expander is actually really reliable. =  In fact, I never use the softstep software.  I programmed it = once, and now plug it into ANY computer and have my presets all = available in Standalone mode, works like a charm.  I'm sure it's = the same for the = 12-step. 

= --Apple-Mail=_87AB16CE-9EC2-44F0-8D30-31392C8E516C-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 18:01:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F31418355B; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 18:01:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=WkrkCSWlHBlQ+4FU7vPZ3GsZ+XPAybfCOl8Fp8A7bZU=; b=xnlZi0tEAb13oI6LPSKL4UTs8jfQAls/dCtkhS8a1BolQ6iF/OorYuOcEcyd5jYIot DDcS9OcNuQ9KiYV1IQR95+/8ASaVk4yPXnKvUs+pP+gKgf+YrkPNvB7p0YfnqxtAkr4y CMJaTMx0FlTdqwvK2D+7v56qcgw1N85U2y4mgJhT4XhTJOU3kkfOuWBg6BUkK9iczn8O vLIpZ34JDT1UDQP8X/sx1vyQOa3OlVzwL7qn1sVhtU7BK1AbD/HM8nRAx3jqrej+Nb1c RqMQpwZJsJnnVSuSjW06v+9qieluH31zSj/+alS6eHo5742Ol+Jf86kmHey2WCHcW2Sg mTUg== X-Received: by 10.152.9.233 with SMTP id d9mr2756474lab.33.1376417052623; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 11:04:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: todd reynolds Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 14:03:32 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_Not_sure_if_Steve_ever_shared_this_here=85Loopin?= =?windows-1252?Q?g_music?= To: "Looper's Delight" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1132f3227c0a1704e3d811fc Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 18:01:55 +0000 (UTC) --001a1132f3227c0a1704e3d811fc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks so much, Johannes, and for your facebook request, now I'll listen to some of *your* music. cheers. Todd On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:29 AM, Johannes Korn wrote: > Hi Todd, > > that is very nice (and inspiring)! I did enjoy it. > > Cheers, > Johannes > > > 2013/8/12 todd reynolds > >> http://music.stevelawson.net/track/improv-no-1-steve-with-todd-reynolds >> >> From Steve Lawson and myself, several years ago. Looperlative on his >> side, Mobius on mine (thanks Jeff Larson), and recorded live in concert at >> The Elf Parlor, North Adams, MA. >> >> sounds good loud. Hoping you might find it enjoyable. >> >> >> > > > -- > > jenko.nashorn@gmail.com <--jenko.nashorn@gmail.com> > http://soundcloud.com/jenko-nashorn > --001a1132f3227c0a1704e3d811fc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks so much, Johannes, and for your facebook request, n= ow I'll listen to some of *your* music. cheers. Todd


On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:29 AM,= Johannes Korn <jenko.nashorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Todd,

<= /div>that is very nice (and inspiring)! I did enjoy it.

C= heers,
Johannes


2013/8/12 todd reynolds <toddreyn@gmail.com>
http://music.stevelawson.net/tr= ack/improv-no-1-steve-with-todd-reynolds

From Steve = Lawson and myself, several years ago. =A0Looperlative on his side, Mobius o= n mine (thanks Jeff Larson), and recorded live in concert at The Elf Parlor= , North Adams, MA.=A0

sounds good loud. Hoping you might find it enjoyable.=A0





--

jenko.nashorn@gmail.com
http://soundcloud.com/jenk= o-nashorn


--001a1132f3227c0a1704e3d811fc-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 06:42:11 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8291F18355C; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 06:42:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=H1elOCH/lV3f+WcA8gBeaFg8LJItDZ+hSrZnaOxLyCM=; b=I4LBckT4hSsiRcA3PFO9tZxPE3+b9/NHa9tvzHabdKo5LBHoPJuvzhAYCApjzrN2vf Z9j1jUBg6epggZUFYd++86EipFI9X0dWX3/saG87sr9i+o24PdeROGYw4IYmcOYt4BQH Lj2bGYfF1GiLH3xZtEIqEtQuynFFkh70pn1X8USJKB5EAG3/hSxwAHoXaHMia36Ho5IN 8OmeHFVDh4MfFRU0icRX6VGbZTknoXuSNHWH+hk7CqLzgsg1kXmPxFM/G0cnOzijTSBs SBUgJsYlPoosnRXRpp17V+ZhoutXXKAXvZoMwsCAJIjDYeZ9M1iLuy6iLQ7DTPBTunni vsog== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.45.70 with SMTP id k6mr8228925vem.9.1376462666923; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 23:44:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 08:44:26 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_Not_sure_if_Steve_ever_shared_this_here=85Loopin?= =?windows-1252?Q?g_music?= From: Johannes Korn To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013cc3264f02b604e3e2b055 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 06:42:11 +0000 (UTC) --089e013cc3264f02b604e3e2b055 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Todd, I hope you like my stuff. Listening to you reminded me that I need to play more violin. Currently I'm trying to find a way to play it in our semi-improvisational rock band, but I haven't found the right approach yet. All the best, Johannes 2013/8/13 todd reynolds > Thanks so much, Johannes, and for your facebook request, now I'll listen > to some of *your* music. cheers. Todd > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:29 AM, Johannes Korn wrote: > >> Hi Todd, >> >> that is very nice (and inspiring)! I did enjoy it. >> >> Cheers, >> Johannes >> >> >> 2013/8/12 todd reynolds >> >>> http://music.stevelawson.net/track/improv-no-1-steve-with-todd-reynolds >>> >>> From Steve Lawson and myself, several years ago. Looperlative on his >>> side, Mobius on mine (thanks Jeff Larson), and recorded live in concert at >>> The Elf Parlor, North Adams, MA. >>> >>> sounds good loud. Hoping you might find it enjoyable. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> jenko.nashorn@gmail.com <--jenko.nashorn@gmail.com> >> http://soundcloud.com/jenko-nashorn >> > > -- jenko.nashorn@gmail.com <--jenko.nashorn@gmail.com> http://soundcloud.com/jenko-nashorn --089e013cc3264f02b604e3e2b055 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Todd,

I hope you like my stuff.
Li= stening to you reminded me that I need to play more violin. Currently I'= ;m trying to find a way to play it in our semi-improvisational rock band, b= ut I haven't found the right approach yet.

All the best,
Johannes


2013/8/13 todd reynolds <toddreyn@g= mail.com>
Thanks so much, Johannes, a= nd for your facebook request, now I'll listen to some of *your* music. = cheers. Todd


On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:29 AM, Johannes Korn <<= a href=3D"mailto:jenko.nashorn@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jenko.nashorn@g= mail.com> wrote:
Hi Todd,

<= /div>that is very nice (and inspiring)! I did enjoy it.

C= heers,
Johannes


2013/8/12 todd reynolds <toddreyn@gmail.com>
http://music.stevelawson.net/tr= ack/improv-no-1-steve-with-todd-reynolds

From Steve = Lawson and myself, several years ago. =A0Looperlative on his side, Mobius o= n mine (thanks Jeff Larson), and recorded live in concert at The Elf Parlor= , North Adams, MA.=A0

sounds good loud. Hoping you might find it enjoyable.=A0





--

jenko.nashorn@gmail.com
http://soundcloud.com/jenko-nashorn <= /p>





--

jenko.nashorn@gmail.com
<= a href=3D"http://soundcloud.com/jenko-nashorn" target=3D"_blank">http://sou= ndcloud.com/jenko-nashorn

--089e013cc3264f02b604e3e2b055-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 07:55:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68E8E183557; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 07:55:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=bz4M1IDFXVjzOjBdDRo+wHdV5rWT3QKbXErmlZx8pgA=; b=qY6VQnbo4fYfWH+9huuSYcNSsEjetPCQ00gizCCBmgjuYWfa3SeQppWCYU066JVOGS 4pDuV2ohwiOxwiIrlY4NtcB31U0W+ab1toh0HX3t1ahy3A/gasT4caprt+zEXzxZkLg7 afvYrbvfyKhOd82IYktkOmCC2uX1QwPCioLgwjUeQVCiSs+r4slNbBdecCGbW9GkiUqi grCaPKw29B0aMinbNIZQtUqMdssYUEd/eHM0U91KbhOFTs2kO84KpDYVaOG2Q9MTqrtG yg2T3Jmv9+fHS5do7aGJfx5+LB+NiG7mYGKV/ORw8bIPC7rzfxG9+jUOcXSjN20/YW5P V17w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.198.133 with SMTP id eo5mr8396725vcb.24.1376467037992; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 00:57:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 09:57:17 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_Not_sure_if_Steve_ever_shared_this_here=E2=80=A6Loopin?= =?UTF-8?Q?g_music?= From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <_i3SG.A.hfG.WfzCSB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 07:55:02 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Johannes Korn wrote: > > 2013/8/12 todd reynolds >> >> http://music.stevelawson.net/track/improv-no-1-steve-with-todd-reynolds >> >> From Steve Lawson and myself, several years ago. Looperlative on his side, Mobius on mine (thanks Jeff Larson), and recorded live in concert at The Elf Parlor, North Adams, MA. >> Listening to "Improv No. 1" here now. Very enjoyable duet! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 10:29:59 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E56918355C; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 10:29:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com x-originating-ip: 208.109.97.160 Message-ID: <520B5CA9.7070706@soundscapes.us> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 06:32:09 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #853 for August 8, 2013. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 10:29:59 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/gt/playlists/2013/130808.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #853 August 8, 2013. WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels?playlist_date=08-08-2013 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Dan Pound. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Medusazoa" on Pound Sounds. http://soundscapes.us/gt/playlists/2013/focus.html#aug PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== =============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Free System Projekt Cool Sack Pointless Reminder (Quantum) Arcane Rapture Quarantine (none) Dead Beat Project Samsara Samsara (A. D. Music) Dead Beat Project Fire Drums Samsara (A. D. Music) Shane Morris and Weathering Storm Emergence (Lotuspike) Mystified and Tide Fanger and Earshot Part Three Earshot (Manikin) Schonwalder 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== =============================== Dan Pound Liquid Body Medusazoa (Pound Sounds) Dan Pound Under Her Spell Medusazoa (Pound Sounds) Dan Pound Living Fossil Medusazoa (Pound Sounds) Dan Pound Medusazoa Medusazoa (Pound Sounds) Dan Pound Tentacles Medusazoa (Pound Sounds) Dan Pound Bioluminescence Medusazoa (Pound Sounds) Dan Pound Currents Medusazoa (Pound Sounds) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Dan Pound. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Cocoon" on Pound Sounds. WDIY Announcement: http://wdiy.org/post/next-galactic-travels-2013-08-15 Bill ========================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 10:35:55 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89ADA18355E; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 10:35:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com x-originating-ip: 208.109.97.160 Message-ID: <520B5E0E.7010504@soundscapes.us> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 06:38:06 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: em2013 press release Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 10:35:55 +0000 (UTC) The electro-music festival, known as the "Woodstock of electronic music," is the world's premiere event for experimental electronic music. Now in it's ninth year, this year's gathering features three mind-bending days of innovative electronic music concerts, seminars, workshops, demonstrations, jam sessions, video art, a laptop battle, and a swap-meet. Action starts at 1pm on Friday, September 6 and runs until midnight on September 8. Musical activities will be running continuously throughout the three days of the festival. electro-music 2013 takes place at the Greenkill Retreat Center in Huguenot, New York. On-site lodging and meals are available. Tickets range from $40 for a single day to $339 for a 3-day pass including meals and lodging. More information, including a complete schedule of events can be found on the web site at: http://event.electro-music.com/ You may also contact us at event@electro-music.com A wide variety of instruments and musical styles will be represented, ranging from theremin to analog modular synthesizers to home made devices, from classic space music and ambient to abstract electronica, glitch, electro-pop and beat-oriented music. Music Artists: Acoustic Interloper Neil Nail Alexander Atonal Audio Mace Geert Bevin Biomass BoomBeest Brainstatik Wyman Brantley Randy Brown Todd Campbell Cranial Mythos Robert Dorschel Dorschel + Alexander dRachEmUsiK Duet for Theremin and Lap Steel Finite Element Four Eyes Fringe Element Ganzha Genetique Genetique + Woodswalker Paul Harriman Hunter and Harrison Andrew Koenig Roland Kuit Lux Seeker Modulator ESP Mosc MusicMan11712 NEOREV Oneironaut onewayness Joo Won Park PYXL8R RoDoJede Kip Rosser Project Ruori Shivasongster Shueh-li Ong Sight of Sound State Machine Stochastic Whimsy Symmetry Jack Tamul Thin Air Twyndyllyngs Michael Victor Woodswalker xeroid entity Visual Artists: Azimuth Visuals Andy Golub Hylantown Michael O'Bannon Project Ruori Woodswalker Karin Schomaker Collaborations: zero-input mixer electro-music chamber orchestra Adventures in Sound Atmosphera Modus Ponens Eigenharps Sound of Listening Atlas5 Seminars, Demonstrations and Workshops: Randy Brown - Eigenharp Demonstration Roland Kuit - Modular Space/Shaping Reflections Gordon Good - Using the Teensy microcontroller as a MIDI controller John Morley - Moog Guitar Aaron Todd - The Launchpad and Ableton Tanya Thielke - Practical Creativity Seminar Joo Won Park - Super Collider Charles Shriner - Free Form Improvisation Workshop Neil Alexander - Using Ableton Live for Generative Music Applications Dale Parson - MIDI and OSC Controller State Machines in ChucK Geert Bevin - Soul-seeking expressiveness with Eigenharp and Leap Motion Controller Adam Holquist - DIN Softsynth Robert Dorschel - Virtual Versus Real Synths Rob Hordijk - The 5U Hordijk Analog Modular Synthesizer System, Hows and Whys of the Design Leo Hylan - VJ and Video Art From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 14:09:23 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35D4C18355B; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 14:09:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1375 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at arsenic; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 14:09:22 UTC Message-ID: <2f782b92191c37939cf8e1756b66bf40.squirrel@cruziomail.cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <20130814102959.E212A183562@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20130814102959.E212A183562@arsenic.violacea.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 06:48:40 -0700 Subject: RE: The importance of accidents in music. From: looppool@cruzio.com To: "Anders Bergdahl" Cc: "Loopers Delight" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 14:09:23 +0000 (UTC) I purposefully allow a lot of chance to occur in my own 'found sound' meets conventional song approach to live looping. I love John Cages' definition of music as being "organized sound". Frequently, I will do fairly random things with not so random sets of timbral variations and then sit back and organize the results so that it becomes 'musical'. I suppose that is why I love the whole 'quantize replace' or 'sus8ths' approach in what I do. Initially, I also was really intrigued with Steve Lawson's early use of random filtering to make previously prosaic looped parts come to life and have more variety in them. I've actually never owned a unit that did that, but I tried similar experiments with a more 'beer living on a champagne budget' approach. I also love juxtaposing long ambient loops against shorter rhythmic ostinato loops. Additionally, I have become very fond (and practised very, very hard) a technique that I call 'random time signature' improvisation............one that I developed myself that uses groupings of rhythmic notes that have two things in common. 1) they share a common Sub Pulse and 2) they are always separated by one and, rarely, two notes of rest between each group. This is a great exercise for a soloist to attempt and then be able to find one's way home after completely losing oneself in the process (not being able to find the downbeat of whatever time signature one is playing in, currently). The whole 'unrounded multiply' technique in the EDP, and later in the Looperlative is another great way to use randomization to create new rhythmical patterns. I use to use the random slice function in the LP-1 and then to rerecord the results to a new track where I truncated the loop, constraining it to a new time signature. I also put a new function into the LP-2 mini looper, RANDOM RETRIGGER, though I've discovered that is works better in theory with long tones than with anything with transients in it (because the transients can occur in the middle of a randomized sample which destroys the sense of ostinato rhythms). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 14:33:05 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 045F818355C; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 14:33:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=XDW+edcvJYb+C5WE2Ye+Boc1K8twHjXLvmHrBBVAQCY=; b=SIZHQSk1ghXJrwTw33YBzx6R+jdaiQNrA4N9her2TtsIb6K7PL6qV6V0Kuy8AbaRDE 19/RetVx7IAkB1mfBa6nYSHPX1KB2m8hlfA+JT2pkCKxjqEM/LNYZatib/touOUPv9wv 7FVVYEgs7X4JsdIVPfCJ6hcolv4fcthYKiMVZsHCUjnU6Vhdktw7mg7AX4RgRlyIDhKD P2bNexsHN1cjAvR7PbPLMoixzclyVHlFa+OiPl0bDyhwuxmha5F17MvoLj7xKAq/USOC eJbWwpMaupJ3lnwstsZrlbP2Cytns5aF5VDLodfCnH2bH/GDcJnWYpLYNe7CdVMx8btB 0R/A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.111.197 with SMTP id ik5mr1843728pbb.171.1376490918575; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 07:35:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2f782b92191c37939cf8e1756b66bf40.squirrel@cruziomail.cruzio.com> References: <20130814102959.E212A183562@arsenic.violacea.com> <2f782b92191c37939cf8e1756b66bf40.squirrel@cruziomail.cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 10:35:18 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The importance of accidents in music. From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b5d8a593d03a104e3e94462 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 14:33:04 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b5d8a593d03a104e3e94462 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:48 AM, wrote: > I love John Cages' definition of music as being "organized sound". To be precise, this definition does not originate with John Cage, but with Edgar Var=E8se. Although he uses the definition at some point (in his Credo), it is in contradiction with his later music through which he displayed a much broader definition of music that did not necessarily involve "organization" (through chance operations) or "sound" (his silent compositions). Some interesting ideas for further practice in the rest of your post... please get a webcam! Sylvain --047d7b5d8a593d03a104e3e94462 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:48 AM, <looppool@cruzio.com> wr= ote:
I love John Cages' definition of music as being "organized sound&q= uot;.

To be precise, this definition does not origina= te with John Cage, but with Edgar Var=E8se. =A0Although he uses the definit= ion at some point (in his Credo), it is in contradiction with his later mus= ic through which he displayed a much broader definition of music that did n= ot necessarily involve "organization" (through chance operations)= or "sound" (his silent compositions). =A0

Some intere= sting ideas for further practice in the rest of your post... =A0please get = a webcam!

Sylvain


--047d7b5d8a593d03a104e3e94462-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 15 20:36:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42D1D18355C; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 20:36:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com x-originating-ip: 208.109.97.160 Message-ID: <520D3C34.9060607@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 16:38:12 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen To Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 20:36:13 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY http://galactictravels.info Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Dan Pound. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Cocoon" on Pound Sounds. The Special Focus page is at http://soundscapes.us/gt/playlists/2013/focus.html#aug Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 16:26:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4A4418355E; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 16:26:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: William Walker Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1FEB01D8-EC97-4933-AEF2-E2FDDF8BA7CB" Subject: McMillan 12 step anyone? Message-Id: <2C57A5E3-CC05-4463-9F70-D5662CF5A3FE@baymoon.com> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 09:28:21 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 16:26:28 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_1FEB01D8-EC97-4933-AEF2-E2FDDF8BA7CB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 well the first important thing I learned about Mobius and Echoloop is = they both would rather be triggered with midi notes. Ugh! My Gordius = Little Giant is set up mostly for PC messages so I'm wondering if any = one has used the 12 step? certain features make it more interesting and = seemingly more out of the box use-able than the Soft Step for midi note = driven software loopers, and possible faster triggering as well, the = second column seems to infer that. but what do I know, I'm just a = caveman, your world frightens and angers me=85.. check out these specs = pulled from the site: http://www.keithmcmillen.com/support/stepcomparison/ Thanks Bill= --Apple-Mail=_1FEB01D8-EC97-4933-AEF2-E2FDDF8BA7CB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 well = the first important thing I learned about Mobius and Echoloop is they = both would rather be triggered with midi notes. Ugh! My Gordius Little = Giant is set up mostly for PC messages so I'm wondering if any one has = used the 12 step? certain features make it more interesting and = seemingly more out of the box use-able than the Soft Step for midi note = driven software loopers, and possible faster triggering as well, the = second column seems to infer that.  but what do I know, I'm just a = caveman, your world frightens and angers me=85.. check out these specs = pulled from the site:


Than= ks
 Bill
= --Apple-Mail=_1FEB01D8-EC97-4933-AEF2-E2FDDF8BA7CB-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 16:50:55 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 182A618355C; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 16:50:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1376758372; bh=zfl3HGuaz/XgjHsebEHHU5YiMtNaR+DXNioj+h5bQYM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Subject:References:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=hmsQgpvjn3ggAXrLfmHxdli+41tC6cO9ckg3n8BGj2vVb9JMu0vPrwVocRzn6o4LshR063XGnNPyb2du+RYQKaOxAXI7v1n5tPhV1svRefBBuI/Cj9o5Np9l4cN1T5eRYu/PZibsH5x7pR7NnYkItEuEj7f04FfJfUuY+IIxDbA= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 704197.38364.bm@smtp110.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 4LXIQRUVM1l7KAwNnyf_7J_VAduf5FEqmIfi_UaQqibMdln 37xnkdpFRIAh5e0w_CXEdRQR8W08eV0LtGCQCOntpfv7eOLBPCCa4Qt1TnIx YTyhPE2ALsYX6panWZ7GehMfnLuMuTz3McfZrsZ3cVaMmR7rVQ.1XrLCbsu1 A2tGW5ZVXTzvsL_wu0xlCIN9jyi1mzdbJKUJTHCdBolGVLIFcgCaXcRNGOQK sH8MQikF.8xoqcvKQ6o0etlly6Wn5iQD3cvX1H0pDDaScTEznG3yVNDjmecX WtZTI0f.Xu2HdrC5v_tt3v7K2fwz8otJ7x.4IH1jrGVdKwd.vPtgMmZvB8in PprXE6gBUGR0txnQljc2S5.IV_9trHNR3cO1JFD_Ao9lIjcXM2N2QH4PHF3. wBv8_s1UTiXagyZTOJYUhHB6OBdYVHVls6ZmZSumeJQnSDZDkA7qXS0efVZf 6s3udthk9dG.SCpDeMI4HNKnYaMcIIdZfcFBB_lJwk3qwdLZuFtPN46062uA NA.dg5OQMHLw1m7NT53D9NShsw4c5f.9rou_vVbynlgiQAg98X9erIv3dpwL UWnO92PVa.j4HJAFoUKNdarU6SMMS95Xsw2JkeHjK9BAyytur8ys9D5lcQ2p 4oaROIkFRKOJC98E- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 7n7qsyGswBCgTbRPvUUz9QEYRfjrM9w1ZUA- X-Rocket-Received: from [10.32.7.24] (antony.hequet@89.204.154.24 with ) by smtp110.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2013 16:52:52 +0000 UTC Subject: Re: McMillan 12 step anyone? References: <2C57A5E3-CC05-4463-9F70-D5662CF5A3FE@baymoon.com> From: Antony Hequet Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-403BE4E0-785E-4110-BD18-243E9F3AA59A X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B329) In-Reply-To: <2C57A5E3-CC05-4463-9F70-D5662CF5A3FE@baymoon.com> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:52:47 +0200 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 16:50:54 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-403BE4E0-785E-4110-BD18-243E9F3AA59A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am using the 12 step, it works with loopers sending midi note messages rig= ht out of the box. No noise! Antony Hequet Poet composer On 17 ao=C3=BBt 2013, at 18:28, William Walker wrot= e: > well the first important thing I learned about Mobius and Echoloop is they= both would rather be triggered with midi notes. Ugh! My Gordius Little Gian= t is set up mostly for PC messages so I'm wondering if any one has used the 1= 2 step? certain features make it more interesting and seemingly more out of t= he box use-able than the Soft Step for midi note driven software loopers, an= d possible faster triggering as well, the second column seems to infer that.= but what do I know, I'm just a caveman, your world frightens and angers me= =E2=80=A6.. check out these specs pulled from the site: >=20 > http://www.keithmcmillen.com/support/stepcomparison/ >=20 > Thanks > Bill --Apple-Mail-403BE4E0-785E-4110-BD18-243E9F3AA59A Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am using the 12 step, it works with l= oopers sending midi note messages right out of the box. No noise!

Ant= ony Hequet
Poet composer

On 17 ao=C3=BBt 2013, at 18= :28, William Walker <billwalker= @baymoon.com> wrote:

w= ell the first important thing I learned about Mobius and Echoloop is they bo= th would rather be triggered with midi notes. Ugh! My Gordius Little Giant i= s set up mostly for PC messages so I'm wondering if any one has used the 12 s= tep? certain features make it more interesting and seemingly more out of the= box use-able than the Soft Step for midi note driven software loopers, and p= ossible faster triggering as well, the second column seems to infer that. &n= bsp;but what do I know, I'm just a caveman, your world frightens and angers m= e=E2=80=A6.. check out these specs pulled from the site:


Thank= s
 Bill
= --Apple-Mail-403BE4E0-785E-4110-BD18-243E9F3AA59A-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 17:22:41 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE89218355E; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:22:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:in-reply-to:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=5TfNX8LzcsiMuebkU9Sz7EsuzlzCsLpR/fq94tbUVnw=; b=UG61ppbNCHumUmtwKWm4TAK1kr2QbVxFKqi/MHWV6MP1+6p1f+EJCFN41IlJC241fz V6lNuLfYvzgF1AYJSFrFWjZO7eQxDBwRh+vFSFzBr+Vew8HtCle5mtLMuF57g0AorZtW QBDT8As+KeUmV91iYUDdMI+SlojM0naF1AbY5BCh4oxt0qIz5GXjGbZl+Zy+4e8OgyTG l7Qc4BE1F99tNqTfnYxObpKTwm3NbOCi9KyDX5R6/I1KXhQ1KrsFpB/T/nw4zlEnpTvN 1jHBzaNVuhk+DpejbOvMePie/9Q0p/Kuhq65xLo/EZmWXRc3efwFQiMBPt+IIa+OYXyN NkvA== X-Received: by 10.180.183.43 with SMTP id ej11mr2362441wic.9.1376760277808; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 10:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: McMillan 12 step anyone? References: <2C57A5E3-CC05-4463-9F70-D5662CF5A3FE@baymoon.com> From: Simeon Harris Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--978818484 X-Mailer: iPod Mail (8C148) In-Reply-To: <2C57A5E3-CC05-4463-9F70-D5662CF5A3FE@baymoon.com> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:25:36 +0100 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 8C148) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:22:40 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--978818484 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mobius works with pc messages just fine Sent from my iPod On 17 Aug 2013, at 17:28, William Walker wrote: > well the first important thing I learned about Mobius and Echoloop is they= both would rather be triggered with midi notes. Ugh! My Gordius Little Gian= t is set up mostly for PC messages so I'm wondering if any one has used the 1= 2 step? certain features make it more interesting and seemingly more out of t= he box use-able than the Soft Step for midi note driven software loopers, an= d possible faster triggering as well, the second column seems to infer that.= but what do I know, I'm just a caveman, your world frightens and angers me= =E2=80=A6.. check out these specs pulled from the site: >=20 > http://www.keithmcmillen.com/support/stepcomparison/ >=20 > Thanks > Bill --Apple-Mail-1--978818484 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Mobius works with pc messages just fine=

Sent from my iPod

On 17 Aug 2013, at 17:28, William Wa= lker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:

= --Apple-Mail-1--978818484-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 17:31:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B4F018355D; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:31:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 5287285/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.178.210/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.178.210 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBACWzD1JV0rLS/2dsb2JhbAANToM7v36BN4MYAQEBAwE4RgsLGAklDwJGHAGIBhKmBZFikGcWg3wDnXqOXA X-IPAS-Result: ApMBACWzD1JV0rLS/2dsb2JhbAANToM7v36BN4MYAQEBAwE4RgsLGAklDwJGHAGIBhKmBZFikGcWg3wDnXqOXA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,902,1367967600"; d="scan'208";a="5287285" Message-ID: <520FB3E8.40808@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:33:28 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: McMillan 12 step anyone? References: <2C57A5E3-CC05-4463-9F70-D5662CF5A3FE@baymoon.com> In-Reply-To: <2C57A5E3-CC05-4463-9F70-D5662CF5A3FE@baymoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:31:18 +0000 (UTC) William Walker wrote: > well the first important thing I learned about Mobius and Echoloop is > they both would rather be triggered with midi notes. Ugh! Echoloop also has a setting where it can be triggered by PC. (but indeed, SUS commands are out...although possible that QuantSUS could work, I'm not sure) ...but they have to be the right value...so the controller still needs to be programmed. > one has used the 12 step? certain features make it more interesting and > seemingly more out of the box use-able than the Soft Step for midi note > driven software loopers, "chromatic layout" ...could mean the layout isn't user configurable. The fact that CC and PC are not assignable to switches also points to this being intended for melodic playing of an instrument. Indeed, all the available literature points to this. If this is true it would work with fine Mobius (with some programming of Mobius) and not at all with Echoloop. > http://www.keithmcmillen.com/support/stepcomparison/ > andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 17:49:29 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A1A8183560; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:49:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=XamI+Ivf3w9cyfI3fI21p+Sz6t7fhvcY94Wak19FKDs=; b=ujtOX5PcKE4iUPDpcLNbnSwBl76wR5j1/JtPMeM5P2uENI01wd33dTtrXLHHrsSqfv 8Ch9jtImEQdUANYaPZxg9uSfmlpWHth0ZK3zHbseTQSspeVAFfXHV+VZwExcvXABUpG0 Gvzh9HU4CnCqB88hpODgNEKOMEs3MaYoduv1L0yoj6yJpRpnLzd5C1kB8KU6FHVpIVWd 619G2mSwn/yoqvThEdsuFUpIxjNSZ43cdynSn9Z6WMekUNAP56WGzLKP/vjb2EOpjVds WQt5XkA08qJlvgtJjjtPlK5wNddA2ujPsGF1UPhD9dEXI1SYJKX6JM7cdDI58J93VWFN 1UhQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.120.114 with SMTP id lb18mr1098609vdb.23.1376761886697; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 10:51:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <520FB3E8.40808@tiscali.co.uk> References: <2C57A5E3-CC05-4463-9F70-D5662CF5A3FE@baymoon.com> <520FB3E8.40808@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 19:51:26 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: McMillan 12 step anyone? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:49:29 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 7:33 PM, andy butler wrote: > "chromatic layout" ...could mean the layout isn't user configurable. Good point there! Something to be aware of. > The fact that CC and PC are not assignable to switches also points > to this being intended for melodic playing of an instrument. > > Indeed, all the available literature points to this. > > If this is true it would work with fine Mobius > (with some programming of Mobius) > and not at all with Echoloop. Expert Sleeper's Augustus Loop is also a looper plugin that is fun to play chromatically (doesn't work with PC's though, so if you still want to send that from your pedal-board you need to run it through a converter to make it into notes within the supported octave) ... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 17:50:35 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BF3B183560; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:50:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: McMillan 12 step anyone? Thread-Topic: McMillan 12 step anyone? Thread-Index: AQHOm2bQKwA/f3kKxECzm2EE8al1J5mZqPYAgAACRmY= Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:52:30 +0000 Message-ID: <818112b5a1264510a14510e1a77186ee@BN1PR04MB105.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <2C57A5E3-CC05-4463-9F70-D5662CF5A3FE@baymoon.com>,<520FB3E8.40808@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <520FB3E8.40808@tiscali.co.uk> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [173.226.147.242] x-forefront-prvs: 0941B96580 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM;SFS:(24454002)(199002)(189002)(243025003)(377454003)(77096001)(74366001)(53806001)(77982001)(76576001)(59766001)(76786001)(76796001)(74876001)(81686001)(49866001)(47976001)(4396001)(50986001)(56776001)(54356001)(47736001)(76482001)(54316002)(56816003)(74316001)(51856001)(15202345003)(33646001)(81816001)(19580395003)(83072001)(83322001)(19580405001)(19580385001)(79102001)(63696002)(74706001)(46102001)(80022001)(66066001)(69226001)(74662001)(31966008)(74502001)(80976001)(81342001)(47446002)(65816001)(81542001)(24736002);DIR:OUT;SFP:;SCL:1;SRVR:BN1PR04MB107;H:BN1PR04MB105.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;CLIP:173.226.147.242;RD:InfoNoRecords;A:1;MX:1;LANG:en; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: <0T32kB.A.VMH.qf7DSB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:50:34 +0000 (UTC) The note assignments can be configured to have any of up to five notes per = switch. Most of the presets use a chromatic layout but you can change th= at. =0A= =0A= CC and PC can not be used.=0A= =0A= See page 15: http://files.keithmcmillen.com/downloads/12StepManual_V1.0.p= df=0A= =0A= Not to get between a man and his GAS, but is reprogramming the Gordius to s= end notes harder than spending $289 for a new footswitch? :-)=0A= =0A= Jeff=0A= =0A= ________________________________________=0A= From: andy butler =0A= Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 12:33 PM=0A= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A= Subject: Re: McMillan 12 step anyone?=0A= =0A= William Walker wrote:=0A= > well the first important thing I learned about Mobius and Echoloop is=0A= > they both would rather be triggered with midi notes. Ugh!=0A= =0A= Echoloop also has a setting where it can be triggered by PC.=0A= (but indeed, SUS commands are out...although possible that QuantSUS could w= ork, I'm not sure)=0A= =0A= ...but they have to be the right value...so the controller still needs to b= e programmed.=0A= =0A= > one has used the 12 step? certain features make it more interesting and= =0A= > seemingly more out of the box use-able than the Soft Step for midi note= =0A= > driven software loopers,=0A= =0A= "chromatic layout" ...could mean the layout isn't user configurable.=0A= =0A= The fact that CC and PC are not assignable to switches also points=0A= to this being intended for melodic playing of an instrument.=0A= =0A= Indeed, all the available literature points to this.=0A= =0A= If this is true it would work with fine Mobius=0A= (with some programming of Mobius)=0A= and not at all with Echoloop.=0A= =0A= =0A= > http://www.keithmcmillen.com/support/stepcomparison/=0A= >=0A= =0A= andy=0A= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 17:57:51 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5884B18355D; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:57:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 5290904/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.178.210/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.178.210 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAAC5D1JV0rLS/2dsb2JhbAANTocmvBOBN4MYAQEBBCMVQBELGAICBRYLAgIJAwIBAgFFHAGuH3SQa4Epjz4WglKBKgOdeo5c X-IPAS-Result: ApMBAAC5D1JV0rLS/2dsb2JhbAANTocmvBOBN4MYAQEBBCMVQBELGAICBRYLAgIJAwIBAgFFHAGuH3SQa4Epjz4WglKBKgOdeo5c X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,902,1367967600"; d="scan'208";a="5290904" Message-ID: <520FBA21.2060207@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 19:00:01 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: McMillan 12 step anyone? References: <2C57A5E3-CC05-4463-9F70-D5662CF5A3FE@baymoon.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:57:51 +0000 (UTC) Simeon Harris wrote: > Mobius works with pc messages just fine and SUS functions? well it's possible I guess...but not without programming a second (and unique) PC message to be sent when the switch was released. Hmm...that would make it easier for Bill, only having to add a few extra PCs by programming the Gordius in standalone Mode. ..but *will* Mobius also learn arbitrary PC to *end* a function? andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 18:00:52 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9404618355C; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:00:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 1037531605/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.178.210/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.178.210 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmsEACO6D1JV0rLS/2dsb2JhbAANTsMwAQECAQECAYE3gxgBAQEDAThABgsLIRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBiAamGZFfkGcWg3wDnXqOXA X-IPAS-Result: AmsEACO6D1JV0rLS/2dsb2JhbAANTsMwAQECAQECAYE3gxgBAQEDAThABgsLIRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBiAamGZFfkGcWg3wDnXqOXA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,902,1367967600"; d="scan'208";a="1037531605" Message-ID: <520FBAD6.9070707@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 19:03:02 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: McMillan 12 step anyone? References: <2C57A5E3-CC05-4463-9F70-D5662CF5A3FE@baymoon.com>,<520FB3E8.40808@tiscali.co.uk> <818112b5a1264510a14510e1a77186ee@BN1PR04MB105.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> In-Reply-To: <818112b5a1264510a14510e1a77186ee@BN1PR04MB105.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:00:51 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Larson wrote: > Not to get between a man and his GAS, but is reprogramming the Gordius to send notes harder than spending $289 for a new footswitch? :-) guitarist (anon) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 18:01:12 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B06EF183560; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:01:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ZCttdR3l6zu5VW0689t8OwzEaE/LI/2F9wq9c1vRHD4=; b=zpMfSHNn6mVRH8zHd4BzAcIhTqMArti1tCpL7ugh6N525wB3r9biNk2sZLRzm18o7a pf+hpXFjR5ryMA4JbJz2lGtqLBrJQDveIeAN52aSyehj9IWt4wL2oPgKAamdsVW/phb8 +MNSj4NPFaRM/uChK/GY+ApWAiAx1pIzT0UPPi8BFndxwfTMXhtbHp4dMNVMrDVIt89L tFKAmNhViY/RHfUmZquc/ATG4qyIfj7IfezDm7bo2HsgUYwSZ6Tw48GKM6Wopm+fnbBq BBBJc60sG1m9REaXVPpF35NBdbSBNIMoXE+kMJR1e1XlvIVj9aKUboNMlcGEFJz9Gh2Q 8VsA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.217.167 with SMTP id oz7mr4140415vec.15.1376762590395; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 11:03:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <520FBA21.2060207@tiscali.co.uk> References: <2C57A5E3-CC05-4463-9F70-D5662CF5A3FE@baymoon.com> <520FBA21.2060207@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 20:03:10 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: McMillan 12 step anyone? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <4J6Z3C.A.8cH.np7DSB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:01:12 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 8:00 PM, andy butler wrote: > Simeon Harris wrote: >> >> Mobius works with pc messages just fine > > > and SUS functions? > well it's possible I guess...but not without programming a second (and > unique) PC message to be sent when the switch > was released. > > Hmm...that would make it easier for Bill, only having to add a few extra PCs > by programming the Gordius in standalone Mode. > > ..but *will* Mobius also learn arbitrary PC to *end* a function? Bill can keep the Gordius and program switches to send one PC on the down-push and another on the let-go. That should work for SUS function going MIDI PC. So now we're back to square one... :-) ... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 18:10:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCB9D183560; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:10:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: McMillan 12 step anyone? Thread-Topic: McMillan 12 step anyone? Thread-Index: AQHOm2bQKwA/f3kKxECzm2EE8al1J5mZpsQAgAAJnYCAAAJUZg== Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:12:46 +0000 Message-ID: <2961086d50fb4a3c863737453157e803@BN1PR04MB105.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <2C57A5E3-CC05-4463-9F70-D5662CF5A3FE@baymoon.com> ,<520FBA21.2060207@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <520FBA21.2060207@tiscali.co.uk> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [173.226.147.242] x-forefront-prvs: 0941B96580 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM;SFS:(377454003)(189002)(199002)(24454002)(46102001)(81686001)(74876001)(83322001)(19580405001)(74706001)(19580395003)(76796001)(76786001)(76576001)(51856001)(81342001)(74316001)(81542001)(69226001)(74366001)(65816001)(66066001)(4396001)(47976001)(50986001)(47736001)(49866001)(81816001)(80022001)(54316002)(56776001)(74662001)(31966008)(79102001)(63696002)(83072001)(74502001)(47446002)(59766001)(77982001)(80976001)(77096001)(56816003)(33646001)(54356001)(53806001)(76482001)(24736002);DIR:OUT;SFP:;SCL:1;SRVR:BN1PR04MB108;H:BN1PR04MB105.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;CLIP:173.226.147.242;RD:InfoNoRecords;MX:1;A:1;LANG:en; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: <8gnWk.A.enH.wy7DSB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:10:56 +0000 (UTC) Mobius doesn't support PCs to end SUS functions out of the box. I suppose = you could write a bunch of scripts in pairs, one to turn the function on an= d another to turn it off and bind those to pairs of PCs. But that would pr= obably be more work than reprogramming the Gordius to send notes or CCs and= a lot less flexible in the long run.=0A= =0A= ________________________________________=0A= From: andy butler =0A= Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 1:00 PM=0A= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A= Subject: Re: McMillan 12 step anyone?=0A= =0A= Simeon Harris wrote:=0A= > Mobius works with pc messages just fine=0A= =0A= and SUS functions?=0A= =0A= well it's possible I guess...but not without programming=0A= a second (and unique) PC message to be sent when the switch=0A= was released.=0A= =0A= Hmm...that would make it easier for Bill, only having to add=0A= a few extra PCs by programming the Gordius in standalone Mode.=0A= =0A= ..but *will* Mobius also learn arbitrary PC to *end* a function?=0A= =0A= andy=0A= =0A= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 18:52:59 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CB4818355E; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:52:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:references :to:in-reply-to; bh=E1EAQCloVF+ebmaV35zs4Twwf+51yd51mh0ktrp43w0=; b=DX8FnvAScaOwDvv0nTVg9ODOMhgT2agWbhug/81cW6AhiQzaraNCRzIvkmwni7ObLd wR4i0V0RnsmcIFNWQoLQsYUMBXa1NNd64VJeEzbNwQYuDVMb7g2CcoPWFODDdBlZ52V7 uEKLRFtYCDTlbutHarYLh9f0ySfpHtRmzB1lDZNgWcu/kiZrSK4HBKxWknX2apt/DEcx cFC8eW9qvamkCRTTw3PJuxQJefczaDiVUxG3/O2qYBoN6ZH4HggHJKnqRcwL2vXJrA/P HTMxP0nh3bGeZ3r3vYoeowzB6Arpv1GPA+hlRzKkdsCGn9oGV/+jCnRpXhSNy/lsKGx9 LwUA== X-Received: by 10.182.230.135 with SMTP id sy7mr4066702obc.24.1376765696353; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 11:54:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Philip Clevenger Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3B3130E8-945B-4681-87EE-6AC50A3C02A3" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) Subject: Re: McMillan 12 step anyone? Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 11:54:54 -0700 References: <2C57A5E3-CC05-4463-9F70-D5662CF5A3FE@baymoon.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2C57A5E3-CC05-4463-9F70-D5662CF5A3FE@baymoon.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:52:58 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_3B3130E8-945B-4681-87EE-6AC50A3C02A3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Bill, I use the Gordius to drive Echoloop and Mobius, with notes, just = fine. LG is super capable in this regard :) I can send you my LG file if you like. For the McMillen users out there - I am *still* crying over the fact = that the SoftStep nav pads (diamond config at right) are fairly hard = coded - I want to use those to move between loops (east and west) and = tracks (north south). But they cannot be programmed to send a note = on/note off pair. This renders the SoftStep pretty much useless to me, = as i still have to lug around a bunch of extra switching pedals.=20 I will offer a brand new puppy to anyone who can solve this problem for = me ;) Phil :) On Aug 17, 2013, at 9:28 AM, William Walker = wrote: > well the first important thing I learned about Mobius and Echoloop is = they both would rather be triggered with midi notes. Ugh! My Gordius = Little Giant is set up mostly for PC messages so I'm wondering if any = one has used the 12 step? certain features make it more interesting and = seemingly more out of the box use-able than the Soft Step for midi note = driven software loopers, and possible faster triggering as well, the = second column seems to infer that. but what do I know, I'm just a = caveman, your world frightens and angers me=85.. check out these specs = pulled from the site: >=20 > http://www.keithmcmillen.com/support/stepcomparison/ >=20 > Thanks > Bill --Apple-Mail=_3B3130E8-945B-4681-87EE-6AC50A3C02A3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Bill, = I use the Gordius to drive Echoloop and Mobius, with notes, just = fine.

LG is super capable in this regard = :)

I can send you my LG file if you = like.

For the McMillen users out there - I am = *still* crying over the fact that the SoftStep nav pads (diamond config = at right) are fairly hard coded - I want to use those to move between = loops (east and west) and tracks (north south). But they cannot be = programmed to send a note on/note off pair. This renders the SoftStep = pretty much useless to me, as i still have to lug around a bunch of = extra switching pedals. 

I will offer a = brand new puppy to anyone who can solve this problem for me = ;)

Phil :)

On Aug 17, = 2013, at 9:28 AM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> = wrote:

well = the first important thing I learned about Mobius and Echoloop is they = both would rather be triggered with midi notes. Ugh! My Gordius Little = Giant is set up mostly for PC messages so I'm wondering if any one has = used the 12 step? certain features make it more interesting and = seemingly more out of the box use-able than the Soft Step for midi note = driven software loopers, and possible faster triggering as well, the = second column seems to infer that.  but what do I know, I'm just a = caveman, your world frightens and angers me=85.. check out these specs = pulled from the site:


Than= ks
 Bill

= --Apple-Mail=_3B3130E8-945B-4681-87EE-6AC50A3C02A3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 18:54:06 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B70FD183558; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:54:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com x-originating-ip: 208.109.97.160 Message-ID: <520FC73F.5020203@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 14:55:59 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #854 for August 15, 2013. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:54:05 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/gt/playlists/2013/130815.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #854 August 15, 2013. WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels?playlist_date=08-15-2013 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Dan Pound. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Cocoon" on Pound Sounds. http://soundscapes.us/gt/playlists/2013/focus.html#aug PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== =============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Fanger and Triumphant Return Analog Overdose in the Schonwalder Applebaum Nebula (Riochet Dream) Fanger and Nebula Symphony Analog Overdose in the Schonwalder Applebaum Nebula (Riochet Dream) Darsham Ambient Water for Horses Falling Light (Lotuspike) Q2 Comet Asteroid (Ricochet Dream) Meg Bowles Beneath the Radiant The Shimmering Land (Kumatone) Stars Duet for Theremin Paik Waves Fusion Collaborations (none) and Lap Steel Dan Pound Cocoon Cocoon (Pound Sounds) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== =============================== Dan Pound Starting To Change Cocoon (Pound Sounds) Dan Pound Life Stages part 1 Cocoon (Pound Sounds) Dan Pound Life Stages part 2 Cocoon (Pound Sounds) Dan Pound Chrysalis Cocoon (Pound Sounds) Dan Pound Transmutate Cocoon (Pound Sounds) Dan Pound Emerge Cocoon (Pound Sounds) Dan Pound Release Cocoon (Pound Sounds) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Dan Pound. The Featured CD at Midnight will be disk one from "Return To Other Worlds" on Pound Sounds. WDIY Announcement: http://wdiy.org/post/next-galactic-travels-2013-08-22 Bill ========================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 19:46:30 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC79818355E; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 19:46:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:in-reply-to:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=kSNFcDK4/eVvgYXyQW6Rdzbzwy4ZEQtPqK1ccr/FOSs=; b=g/QIoxdtxU7L8V0XY77dJYqYPvHTWzsVL+iN3cIQ4IfRQh+57k57DdBaWUGp1US0Rd r/ibXB44leWRInp9FeaZW1p2W5SNYDggXIUvUnzxuXyL4pp6IW0XAIA/DNP6Viu7EDH0 PF8iFIGFAKHHqXM41j4Clqun3lkXmHs0Khr6+25cP/zxRTe9q520IIT81U40vi0AprJI nofQPKI6derH/BcLEVZenNszksGp9vakxmbW/Et7/BhXGc7iVqsfnuma8oNHc/GZRPMX iDweHbLe6R1L99gFkCwdsJ6Ooq6fDyVVHpFLKkXO1SIpX57ueL5x+KxRl5sLiyMVjKWz W/DA== X-Received: by 10.67.5.69 with SMTP id ck5mr4469863pad.76.1376768907651; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 12:48:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: McMillan 12 step anyone? References: <2C57A5E3-CC05-4463-9F70-D5662CF5A3FE@baymoon.com> From: Philip Clevenger Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-60B691E0-AF0D-46E2-A4D3-59EFBCED85AA X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B350) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 12:48:25 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 19:46:30 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-60B691E0-AF0D-46E2-A4D3-59EFBCED85AA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alternatively, maybe I offer for trade a barely used SoftStep for a 12 Step i= n need of new home... Can just use the last two pads as loop switchers I ima= gine... Sent from my iPhone On Aug 17, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Philip Clevenger wr= ote: > Bill, I use the Gordius to drive Echoloop and Mobius, with notes, just fin= e. >=20 > LG is super capable in this regard :) >=20 > I can send you my LG file if you like. >=20 > For the McMillen users out there - I am *still* crying over the fact that t= he SoftStep nav pads (diamond config at right) are fairly hard coded - I wan= t to use those to move between loops (east and west) and tracks (north south= ). But they cannot be programmed to send a note on/note off pair. This rende= rs the SoftStep pretty much useless to me, as i still have to lug around a b= unch of extra switching pedals.=20 >=20 > I will offer a brand new puppy to anyone who can solve this problem for me= ;) >=20 > Phil :) >=20 > On Aug 17, 2013, at 9:28 AM, William Walker wrote= : >=20 >> well the first important thing I learned about Mobius and Echoloop is the= y both would rather be triggered with midi notes. Ugh! My Gordius Little Gia= nt is set up mostly for PC messages so I'm wondering if any one has used the= 12 step? certain features make it more interesting and seemingly more out o= f the box use-able than the Soft Step for midi note driven software loopers,= and possible faster triggering as well, the second column seems to infer th= at. but what do I know, I'm just a caveman, your world frightens and angers= me=E2=80=A6.. check out these specs pulled from the site: >>=20 >> http://www.keithmcmillen.com/support/stepcomparison/ >>=20 >> Thanks >> Bill >=20 --Apple-Mail-60B691E0-AF0D-46E2-A4D3-59EFBCED85AA Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Alternatively, maybe I offer for trade= a barely used SoftStep for a 12 Step in need of new home... Can just use th= e last two pads as loop switchers I imagine...

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 17, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Philip Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
Bill, I use the Gordius to drive E= choloop and Mobius, with notes, just fine.

LG is super ca= pable in this regard :)

I can send you my LG file i= f you like.

For the McMillen users out there - I am= *still* crying over the fact that the SoftStep nav pads (diamond config at r= ight) are fairly hard coded - I want to use those to move between loops (eas= t and west) and tracks (north south). But they cannot be programmed to send a= note on/note off pair. This renders the SoftStep pretty much useless to me,= as i still have to lug around a bunch of extra switching pedals. 

I will offer a brand new puppy to anyone who can solve t= his problem for me ;)

Phil :)

On Aug 17, 2013, at 9:28 AM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:

well the first important thing I learned about Mobius and Echoloop is t= hey both would rather be triggered with midi notes. Ugh! My Gordius Little G= iant is set up mostly for PC messages so I'm wondering if any one has used t= he 12 step? certain features make it more interesting and seemingly more out= of the box use-able than the Soft Step for midi note driven software looper= s, and possible faster triggering as well, the second column seems to infer t= hat.  but what do I know, I'm just a caveman, your world frightens and a= ngers me=E2=80=A6.. check out these specs pulled from the site:
 Bill

=
= --Apple-Mail-60B691E0-AF0D-46E2-A4D3-59EFBCED85AA-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 19:47:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0461B18355F; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 19:47:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <520FD3BA.1080204@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 12:49:14 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Re: The importance of accidents in music. References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 19:47:13 +0000 (UTC) On 8/14/2013 7:35 AM, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:48 AM, > wrote: > > I love John Cages' definition of music as being "organized sound". > > > To be precise, this definition does not originate with John Cage, but > with Edgar Varčse. Although he uses the definition at some point (in > his Credo), it is in contradiction with his later music through which > he displayed a much broader definition of music that did not > necessarily involve "organization" (through chance operations) or > "sound" (his silent compositions). > > Some interesting ideas for further practice in the rest of your > post... please get a webcam! > > Sylvain > > I still like the definition. I have to say, too, that, though I enjoyed the creative possibilities of Cage's experiments with chance in his music, I never loved the pieces he actually 'composed' with them. I suppose I'm a formalist at heart. Give me his Music for Toy Piano and his prepared Piano pieces................god forbid, they have actual 'melodies' in them. It's interesting but Ambient music has had a huge impact on this particular community and music in general for that matter. I love a lot of music that is atmospheric but I've started to be really bored by music that just has a vibe without a statement. I know that puts me in a rather small club in our beatuful community, but I've started to really want to hear a good melody again; a theme that seems composed and well thought out. In my jazz work, I've been revisiting a lot of themes from motion pictures (Theme from Chinatown, Theme from Laurence of Arabia, Love Theme from Spartacus, some of the film score music Thomas Newman wrote for American Beauty and the Shawshank Redemption. I really love a lot of jazz, but i realize that the jazz I love has to have a great 'head' to it for me to really get off playing it. Endless rounds of piano, bass, drum solos just aren't so interesting. Just musing, but that's what comes up for me with this thread. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 20:10:29 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C6F3183560; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 20:10:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=OETUYXdFYju2nNNJJJg2IvTIVbxs0wqzMbMQSn/v2Ek=; b=CKFyMR1GHWjFjuIjMlsQNME7avRuAfQVyxQq+uRFLU52B0LXkRdiYRJieP7BtPrfD6 r7yg6WKFuy8NZ098cb6CSnHdopIszsI36bog8YnsgsG7oP8f4As8XghSSDRSdDvwVNdo AED3tKTB+qcq4NBTMgr7IaBvKwR69cTZQrk+8l9GX0ljFXENxwphEMMG5BJJryj/PRaI hYjZ5+nwSzqIAmCW+zlaQg1wl++26+HpZDmtZZEAy5h0M43YpemNSdr1XbWi2up6wpyl KpgzlxPPGJer5/CAxKWPFpAlukbZE88WTq9hesRt9DQIptYTVcie89lbAU2JDw82DCis q2FA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.164.136 with SMTP id yq8mr4431132pab.67.1376770346525; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 13:12:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <2C57A5E3-CC05-4463-9F70-D5662CF5A3FE@baymoon.com> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 16:12:26 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: McMillan 12 step anyone? From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6d854c712baa04e42a5370 Resent-Message-ID: <6kbtfD.A.Y5.1i9DSB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 20:10:29 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b6d854c712baa04e42a5370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think of the 12-step as a midi keyboard for my feet. I control everything in my setup with midi notes, so that's perfect for me. If you need CC you'll have to look elsewhere (or make scripts that change cc values based on how long you press a note, for example). Sylvain On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Philip Clevenger wrote: > Alternatively, maybe I offer for trade a barely used SoftStep for a 12 > Step in need of new home... Can just use the last two pads as loop > switchers I imagine... > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 17, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Philip Clevenger > wrote: > > Bill, I use the Gordius to drive Echoloop and Mobius, with notes, just > fine. > > LG is super capable in this regard :) > > I can send you my LG file if you like. > > For the McMillen users out there - I am *still* crying over the fact that > the SoftStep nav pads (diamond config at right) are fairly hard coded - I > want to use those to move between loops (east and west) and tracks (north > south). But they cannot be programmed to send a note on/note off pair. Th= is > renders the SoftStep pretty much useless to me, as i still have to lug > around a bunch of extra switching pedals. > > I will offer a brand new puppy to anyone who can solve this problem for m= e > ;) > > Phil :) > > On Aug 17, 2013, at 9:28 AM, William Walker > wrote: > > well the first important thing I learned about Mobius and Echoloop is the= y > both would rather be triggered with midi notes. Ugh! My Gordius Little > Giant is set up mostly for PC messages so I'm wondering if any one has us= ed > the 12 step? certain features make it more interesting and seemingly more > out of the box use-able than the Soft Step for midi note driven software > loopers, and possible faster triggering as well, the second column seems = to > infer that. but what do I know, I'm just a caveman, your world frightens > and angers me=85.. check out these specs pulled from the site: > > http://www.keithmcmillen.com/support/stepcomparison/ > > Thanks > Bill > > > --047d7b6d854c712baa04e42a5370 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think of the 12-step as a midi keyboard for my feet. =A0= I control everything in my setup with midi notes, so that's perfect for= me. =A0If you need CC you'll have to look elsewhere (or make scripts t= hat change cc values based on how long you press a note, for example).

Sylvain



On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Philip= Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
Alternatively, maybe = I offer for trade a barely used SoftStep for a 12 Step in need of new home.= .. Can just use the last two pads as loop switchers I imagine...

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 17, 201= 3, at 11:54 AM, Philip Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:

Bill, I use the Gordius to drive Echoloop an= d Mobius, with notes, just fine.

LG is super capable in = this regard :)

I can send you my LG file if you li= ke.

For the McMillen users out there - I am *still* crying = over the fact that the SoftStep nav pads (diamond config at right) are fair= ly hard coded - I want to use those to move between loops (east and west) a= nd tracks (north south). But they cannot be programmed to send a note on/no= te off pair. This renders the SoftStep pretty much useless to me, as i stil= l have to lug around a bunch of extra switching pedals.=A0

I will offer a brand new puppy to anyone who can solve = this problem for me ;)

Phil :)

=
On Aug 17, 2013, at 9:28 AM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:=

well the = first important thing I learned about Mobius and Echoloop is they both woul= d rather be triggered with midi notes. Ugh! My Gordius Little Giant is set = up mostly for PC messages so I'm wondering if any one has used the 12 s= tep? certain features make it more interesting and seemingly more out of th= e box use-able than the Soft Step for midi note driven software loopers, an= d possible faster triggering as well, the second column seems to infer that= . =A0but what do I know, I'm just a caveman, your world frightens and a= ngers me=85.. check out these specs pulled from the site:


Thanks
=A0Bill

--047d7b6d854c712baa04e42a5370-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 20:23:55 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1A54183559; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 20:23:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: William Walker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: McMillan 12 step anyone? Message-Id: <9080A7EB-EF90-441B-B89F-84AAC4D57DB3@baymoon.com> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 13:25:46 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 20:23:54 +0000 (UTC) > Not to get between a man and his GAS, but is reprogramming the Gordius = to send notes harder than spending $289 for a new footswitch? :-) >=20 > Jeff ha ha Ha Ha ha ha ugh unn urrrmphhh. This cave man is still rocking = 2.0.2 version on his Gordius LG , the original librarian is on my studio = windows computer, but I think its going to take updating the Gordius = and completely reprogramming it with the new editor librarian, I just = got back on the original librarian editor , and its just as confusing as = I'm remember, programming some basic PC banks a few years ago. Just = trying to juggle learning curves and I'll take another crack at = programming some midi note stuff again, And yes I have gotten basic = functions to work with pc commands in Mobius but not the Sus command = stuff and that's what I want to get at, will try to figure out stand = alone mode on the Gordius if that indeed is on the old editor and Phil = yes I would gladly accept your templates once i figure out how I'm going = to save my old presets on my old editor librarian for the the = Looperlative, which i will still be using live for the foreseeable = future, get the new software up and running, and hopefully be able to = retrieve my original presets as I build new ones that can more easily = accomplish midi note commands. Thanks all for the advice, this is not = exactly intuitive :-) Thanks for sparing me from the GAS abyss Jeff!!! Bill= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 20:47:17 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E94218355E; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 20:47:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=TINELjBvgJy7dqsliURt2RSq9kjjFVVY/5pzXgABvpc=; b=pyfItSfOE/TTUJU+qxveB8gauURPCNuO6IBVJ5LFKLUrwdeSlf4JDzIrawUqlyBcIs R3Httxa5wWp6GFSfsZteyUpKV7MR6ASQgjNOGRjaq1mGdkTCtEoQpZkdVHqpHiJWcw9/ /9b1IONOMhUZlNnb7p/kbUllMV/NSP3YDcioee6tkwsMbTe1u2N3pwzwI28QXE/j6DYV 8c7A7nHhcORAIwD1AhrZHE8yVhAPpECF/J/Ndg1aVZgrLHOffEltJarRl93BQLakVbuX KID28iaL+mPREw6TZ2/InWomdvff12Kjbx6ch6OuI4XyP2oGskReNrWoS5y+Db6m5Iiv I/XA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.165.70 with SMTP id yw6mr66823veb.19.1376772554799; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 13:49:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9080A7EB-EF90-441B-B89F-84AAC4D57DB3@baymoon.com> References: <9080A7EB-EF90-441B-B89F-84AAC4D57DB3@baymoon.com> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 22:49:14 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: McMillan 12 step anyone? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 20:47:17 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 10:25 PM, William Walker w= rote: > once i figure out how I'm going to save my old presets on my old editor l= ibrarian for the the Looperlative, which i will still be using live for the= foreseeable future, get the new software up and running, and hopefully be = able to retrieve my original presets as I build new ones that can more ea= sily accomplish midi note commands. No need to swap content at all in the Gordius. Just make an additional bank! Then when using your Looperlative do the tap dancing on Bank #1 and when tickling the Mobius you step on the same switches in Bank #2. ... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 18 02:55:13 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C78318355E; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 02:55:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=hHTYEA/+q5CSsC1xMg2MW0Q9w3rRHnNZjutKQsPUGvg=; b=fXEfKSiwPWDele0S1XRKFLWEmtWMoZFybGxrQ+lu5u1i2fmBCTtvyYCpYwOgCNWwG8 73gGVTC+UAWrPep3CUCXvf7HJjJW814iUQ+k1V2YIYYMtOilP9WYBIkwXD8GfAntqQlq Q/dPD7yLOVnaRTA1bU0T5RxE4kV3/o6+ycnA1yz9coe+DyaP7G+jqvhKfeE2ibfE4UEd hWbkTsERwQhWx8YIzNksHicVhNuacvHlG1zMe+UMfa5ITCdmWWq/i+V49SZYtVrd1D+2 akN5c7jRjmjbYC3NvL3WBgOU5pERnPCZ+MRmwzCnxp3TBqhyc4MbxEkYVUnl/vEfhITV CR0Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.221.64.17 with SMTP id xg17mr5926208vcb.5.1376794629570; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 19:57:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <520FD3BA.1080204@cruzio.com> References: <520FD3BA.1080204@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 04:57:09 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The importance of accidents in music. From: Fabio_A To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1133158ed305b404e42ffa0b Resent-Message-ID: <3_Z65.A.qID.ReDESB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 02:55:13 +0000 (UTC) --001a1133158ed305b404e42ffa0b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I love a lot of music that is atmospheric but I've started to be really > bored by music that just has a vibe without a statement. > I know that puts me in a rather small club in our beatuful community, but > I've started to really want to hear a good melody again; > a theme that seems composed and well thought out. Same here Then...I'm in good company :-) > > I really love a lot of jazz, but i realize that the jazz I love has to > have a great 'head' to it for me to really get off playing it. > Endless rounds of piano, bass, drum solos just aren't so interesting. > > Same here ! -f --001a1133158ed305b404e42ffa0b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I love a lot of music that is atmospheric but I've started to be really= bored by music that just has a vibe without a statement.
I know that puts me in a rather small club in our beatuful community, =A0bu= t I've started to really want to hear a good melody again;
a theme that seems composed and well thought out.

Same here
Then...I'm in good company :-)=A0

I really love a lot of jazz, but i realize that the jazz I love has to have= a great 'head' to it for me to really get off playing it.
Endless rounds of piano, bass, drum solos just aren't so interesting.
Same here !

-f= =A0
--001a1133158ed305b404e42ffa0b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 18 04:02:15 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D95818355D; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 04:02:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 414 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at arsenic; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 04:02:13 UTC Message-ID: <52104617.60208@theambientping.com> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 23:57:11 -0400 From: PiNG Reply-To: ping@theambientping.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , Dark Seeds , Drone Deep Chill , Loopers Delight , The Ambient Way Subject: 08.20.13 > The PiNG presents dreamSTATE + Amoeba Starfish + General Chaos Visuals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020206.5210461B.0095,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 04:02:14 +0000 (UTC) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 08.20.13 THE AMBiENT PiNG 's 14th ANNiVERSARY SHOW with dreamSTATE + AMOEBA STARFISH + GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS @ Supermarket . 268 Augusta Ave . Kensington Market just south of College . Map, info and directions at: http://www.supermarkettoronto.com/site/section/contact Tues. Aug. 20th . Doors open at 8:00 . 1st set at 9:00 . $8-10 . 9:00 . dreamSTATE . Now that the reverberations of their Drone Cycle 2012 shows with very special guests have subsided, dreamSTATE return for their first duo performance at the PiNG since April 2010. Jamie Todd & Scott M2 will be building on their experiences from the Cycle to take you even higher. http://www.dreamstate.to 10:00 . AMOEBA STARFISH . Featuring R&S (Rhythm and Space) guitarist Phil Ogison along with phonometrician Jeff Howard, AMOEBA STARFISH combines elements of groove, chill, space & psychedelia in equal proportions, at times tribal, at times alien, sure to intrigue, soothe and excite. http://www.reverbnation.com/amoebastarfish# . GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS . Stephen Lindsey and Eric Siegerman of General Chaos Visuals will splash light all over the friggin' space to create moving abstract light paintings to get us in a celebratory mood for the PiNG's 14th ANNiVERSARY. http://www.generalchaosvisuals.ca . Thanks to Jeff Howard, we'll have the PiNG LiVE STREAM flowing again at 9:00PM on Tuesday August 20th for those of you who can't make it live and in person. http://www.livestream.com/theambientping . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . COMiNG SOON: . Tuesday September 17th 2013 . PiNG.09.17.13 THE AMBiENT PiNG presents SEDATIVE (MARK THIBIDEAU) + MATT THIBIDEAU + JAKOB THIESEN @ Supermarket . 268 Augusta Ave . Kensington Market just south of College . Map, info and directions at: http://www.supermarkettoronto.com/site/section/contact Doors open at 8:00 . 1st set at 9:00 . $8-10 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . --> FREE MP3 - "a decade dreaming" by dreamSTATE <-- a FREE net label release from ping things As it's the PiNG's anniversary we look back with dreamSTATE's retrospective collection of scapes. Released to coincide with the tenth anniversary of THE AMBiENT PiNG, "a decade dreaming" features a selection of live performances by dreamSTATE spanning ten years of concerts at THE AMBiENT PiNG, celebrating both the music and the PiNG community of the last decade. With guest performances by Eric Hopper of Sylken, Alan Bloor of Pholde/Knurl, Jim Field of Spacenoiz, James Johnson, Wally Jericho, and Cheryl O, "a decade of dreaming" is a beautiful collection of music that captures the essence of dreamSTATE and the PiNG itself. From the smooth pads of "Soundscape for Richard Wright", through the delicate melodies of "Jharna Revealed", to "Premillennial Landscape #1" and its celestial tones, "a decade dreaming" is a fabulous release that ping things is delighted to be able to share with you. "a decade dreaming" is available for free download as a 110 Mb Zip file containing the full release in high quality 256kbps mp3 format along with artwork suitable for printing. The music on this release is copyright Scott M2 and Jamie Todd 1999-2009 and may not be used or reproduced without the artist's express permission. For extended liner notes from "a decade dreaming", please visit http://www.dreamstate.to/decade Download "a decade dreaming" by dreamSTATE: http://pingthings.blogspot.ca/2009/08/download-decade-dreaming-by-dreamstate.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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Please forward this e-mail to any interested friends or appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 18 04:35:49 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD23418355E; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 04:35:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=KKGO4SaoByJ1DkZZGx08JLiTp2fZ6wOUsfuB3EsvrkI=; b=Rp2qo2/nu3N7UdMbJ0WGGh0H5g58IE5iQqE9oh5EcTYM+vldSwxN2Hzc/t6CKr1xGb W6fgbAQhKLBF6mMnpmVOmeHm923NcF7j/Q+HRaRRB6Plv+YTP7cWIHyYmEb/vyhdCpCy 7Fahew6mhLfV+WSPLtv8nB0MLltC80lwX45BQmRDtPtkEfDzneMuPDk4IhhVH5lpESjX 3/WnTIlqOqw3WGAjdYA5mzrux9jEMz3Y57fgGU8ZDGt9TthiiLuJiyyu8s/Scv3XlYxA +lBZ0Q9WWQ+Ck4m70Zk5cCaG2EL7NKi65o8lyPLQfAPtQQqZ7qUgcndSi6p8d9Aukitw hUjg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.24.168 with SMTP id v8mr3801086wjf.28.1376800664987; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 21:37:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <520FD3BA.1080204@cruzio.com> References: <520FD3BA.1080204@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 21:37:44 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: The importance of accidents in music. From: Todd Elliott To: "loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b86daaa902d3c04e4316289 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 04:35:49 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b86daaa902d3c04e4316289 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One persons 'vibe without a statement' is another person's statement. I think of the stuff I make, which, as of late has mostly consisted of long drones, as having a great deal of emotional content; but I could easily understand why someone wouldn't think that. And although Cage might be maddened by this, I find his late period 'number pieces' (particularly the 'one's) to be weirdly moving; again, I wouldn't expect everyone to see it this way. My problem with melody (and I have no real problem with melody-- everyone likes to sing a jaunty tune now and again) is that in the wrong hands it tends to lead you around by the nose. In the right hands, of course, it's sublime. But no one's ever going to agree on whos hands are the right ones. That's what makes music so interesting. T On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 8/14/2013 7:35 AM, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > > >> On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:48 AM, > looppool@cruzio.com>> wrote: >> >> I love John Cages' definition of music as being "organized sound". >> >> >> To be precise, this definition does not originate with John Cage, but >> with Edgar Var=E8se. Although he uses the definition at some point (in = his >> Credo), it is in contradiction with his later music through which he >> displayed a much broader definition of music that did not necessarily >> involve "organization" (through chance operations) or "sound" (his silen= t >> compositions). >> >> Some interesting ideas for further practice in the rest of your post... >> please get a webcam! >> >> Sylvain >> >> >> I still like the definition. I have to say, too, that, though I > enjoyed the creative possibilities of Cage's experiments with chance in h= is > music, > I never loved the pieces he actually 'composed' with them. I suppose > I'm a formalist at heart. Give me his Music for Toy Piano and his > prepared Piano pieces................god forbid, they have actual > 'melodies' in them. > > It's interesting but Ambient music has had a huge impact on this > particular community and music in general for that matter. > > I love a lot of music that is atmospheric but I've started to be really > bored by music that just has a vibe without a statement. > I know that puts me in a rather small club in our beatuful community, bu= t > I've started to really want to hear a good melody again; > a theme that seems composed and well thought out. > > In my jazz work, I've been revisiting a lot of themes from motion picture= s > (Theme from Chinatown, Theme from Laurence of > Arabia, Love Theme from Spartacus, some of the film score music Thomas > Newman wrote for American Beauty and the Shawshank Redemption. > > I really love a lot of jazz, but i realize that the jazz I love has to > have a great 'head' to it for me to really get off playing it. > Endless rounds of piano, bass, drum solos just aren't so interesting. > > Just musing, but that's what comes up for me with this thread. > > Rick > > --=20 http://toaster.bandcamp.com --047d7b86daaa902d3c04e4316289 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
One persons 'vibe without a statement' is another = person's statement. I think of the stuff I make, which, as of late has = mostly consisted of long drones, as having a great deal of emotional conten= t; but I could easily understand why someone wouldn't think that. And a= lthough Cage might be maddened by this, I find his late period 'number = pieces' (particularly the 'one's) to be weirdly moving; again, = I wouldn't expect everyone to see it this way.

My problem with melody (and I have no real problem wit= h melody-- everyone likes to sing a jaunty tune now and again) is that in t= he wrong hands it tends to lead you around by the nose. In the right hands,= of course, it's sublime. But no one's ever going to agree on whos = hands are the right ones. That's what makes music so interesting.

T



On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 a= t 12:49 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
On 8/14/2013 7:35 AM, Sylvain Poitras wrote:=


On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:48 AM, <looppool@cruzio.com <mailto:looppool@cruzio.com>> wrote:<= br>
=A0 =A0 I love John Cages' definition of music as being "organized= sound".


To be precise, this definition does not originate with John Cage, but with = Edgar Var=E8se. =A0Although he uses the definition at some point (in his Cr= edo), it is in contradiction with his later music through which he displaye= d a much broader definition of music that did not necessarily involve "= ;organization" (through chance operations) or "sound" (his s= ilent compositions).

Some interesting ideas for further practice in the rest of your post... =A0= please get a webcam!

Sylvain


I still like the definition. =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I have to say, too, that, thoug= h I enjoyed the creative possibilities of Cage's experiments with chanc= e in his music,
I never loved the pieces he actually 'composed' with them. =A0 =A0I= suppose I'm a formalist at heart. =A0 =A0Give me his Music for Toy Pia= no and his
prepared Piano pieces................god forbid, =A0they have actual 'm= elodies' in them.

It's interesting but Ambient music has had a huge impact on this partic= ular community and music in general for that matter.

I love a lot of music that is atmospheric but I've started to be really= bored by music that just has a vibe without a statement.
I know that puts me in a rather small club in our beatuful community, =A0bu= t I've started to really want to hear a good melody again;
a theme that seems composed and well thought out.

In my jazz work, I've been revisiting a lot of themes from motion pictu= res (Theme from Chinatown, =A0Theme from Laurence of
Arabia, =A0Love Theme from Spartacus, =A0some of the film score music Thoma= s Newman wrote for American Beauty and the Shawshank Redemption.

I really love a lot of jazz, but i realize that the jazz I love has to have= a great 'head' to it for me to really get off playing it.
Endless rounds of piano, bass, drum solos just aren't so interesting.
Just musing, but that's what comes up for me with this thread.

Rick




-- http://toaster.= bandcamp.com
--047d7b86daaa902d3c04e4316289-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 18 05:03:01 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96F7B18355E; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 05:03:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 422 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at arsenic; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 05:03:00 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=eUPi+NYo0qGs1TCHj070vslRu8qlbaHIUdJ8iCGckbOBNJ5P9UC1dJ5+dlNK0lXL; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <16379100.1376801873988.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 21:57:53 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: The importance of accidents in music. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48bfe147ca06bd89a6de8b187ecd2f238ea7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.50 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 05:03:01 +0000 (UTC) >c o n c u r&l= t;
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Subject: Re: Re: The importance of accidents in music.

One persons 'vibe without a statement' is another = person's statement. I think of the stuff I make, which, as of late has most= ly consisted of long drones, as having a great deal of emotional content; b= ut I could easily understand why someone wouldn't think that. And although = Cage might be maddened by this, I find his late period 'number pieces' (par= ticularly the 'one's) to be weirdly moving; again, I wouldn't expect everyo= ne to see it this way.

My problem with melody (and I have no real proble= m with melody-- everyone likes to sing a jaunty tune now and again) is that= in the wrong hands it tends to lead you around by the nose. In the right h= ands, of course, it's sublime. But no one's ever going to agree on whos han= ds are the right ones. That's what makes music so interesting.

T

=


On Sat,= Aug 17, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
On 8/14/2013 7:35 AM, Sylvain Poitras wrote:=


On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:48 AM, <looppool@cruzio.com <mailto:looppool@cruzio.com>> wrote:<= br>
    I love John Cages' definition of music as being "organized so= und".


To be precise, this definition does not originate with John Cage, but with = Edgar Var=C3=A8se.  Although he uses the definition at some point (in = his Credo), it is in contradiction with his later music through which he di= splayed a much broader definition of music that did not necessarily involve= "organization" (through chance operations) or "sound" (his silent composit= ions).

Some interesting ideas for further practice in the rest of your post... &nb= sp;please get a webcam!

Sylvain


I still like the definition.        I have to say, too,= that, though I enjoyed the creative possibilities of Cage's experiments wi= th chance in his music,
I never loved the pieces he actually 'composed' with them.    I s= uppose I'm a formalist at heart.    Give me his Music for Toy Pia= no and his
prepared Piano pieces................god forbid,  they have actual 'me= lodies' in them.

It's interesting but Ambient music has had a huge impact on this particular= community and music in general for that matter.

I love a lot of music that is atmospheric but I've started to be really bor= ed by music that just has a vibe without a statement.
I know that puts me in a rather small club in our beatuful community,  = ;but I've started to really want to hear a good melody again;
a theme that seems composed and well thought out.

In my jazz work, I've been revisiting a lot of themes from motion pictures = (Theme from Chinatown,  Theme from Laurence of
Arabia,  Love Theme from Spartacus,  some of the film score music= Thomas Newman wrote for American Beauty and the Shawshank Redemption.

I really love a lot of jazz, but i realize that the jazz I love has to have= a great 'head' to it for me to really get off playing it.
Endless rounds of piano, bass, drum solos just aren't so interesting.

Just musing, but that's what comes up for me with this thread.

Rick




-- http://toaster.= bandcamp.com
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 18 07:42:05 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DEB6318355F; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 07:42:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=vYqRP4Jq7aBsJFzTKRtyVLa8F++Emc4b8xSkpdTJmn8=; b=NQ+606Oq/2YR5oPWXHZo8b4cb/nCURMnCkkoo6u8Nbn+WPvziHVEBIPWZVr/RhMxL5 JOFRkxFNiS+3M++PlxVS2JAwL+eUgBhDYeg9h7LCoIAgxNLbkz8ZrTl2RVHYKJ4BuGSh WC+bBrLvU2lmrxNWLPtIpvF9IoXTCsrvleEHRBY3rzAHqHb1qesuf+OIYbBTv6dKCHTw F7PvMimf27LMiUeGBpU7CGNk38L90kXxF99RqPO8UqXcTlK0Q/8WScM2sXQ2Q30U/cYY J62yytteNvI9NjgD3ZOCbyhBihomzfH3zgfshczmTxcWiiMeGUmg82XHSlXEP0pjVV4e bzQw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.108.8 with SMTP id hg8mr6770838veb.6.1376811841478; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 00:44:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <520FD3BA.1080204@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 09:44:01 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: The importance of accidents in music. From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <4dxqdD.A.tLF.NrHESB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 07:42:05 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 6:37 AM, Todd Elliott wrote: > makes music so interesting. Indeed - I totally agree on that! There are melodies in any sound, even the snap of a breaking drum stick. But the unplayed melodies are the most beautiful! ... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 18 09:45:13 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F279718355E; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 09:45:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 1037620411/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.180.215/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.180.215 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApQBADqXEFJV0rTX/2dsb2JhbAANOBaHJrwSgTSDGAEBAQMBIxVABgsLGgIFCgwLAgIJAwIBAgFFHAGIBqRJdJBRgSmNYoFcFoJSgSoDnXqOXA X-IPAS-Result: ApQBADqXEFJV0rTX/2dsb2JhbAANOBaHJrwSgTSDGAEBAQMBIxVABgsLGgIFCgwLAgIJAwIBAgFFHAGIBqRJdJBRgSmNYoFcFoJSgSoDnXqOXA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,906,1367967600"; d="scan'208";a="1037620411" Message-ID: <52109828.1090301@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 10:47:20 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: McMillan 12 step anyone? References: <9080A7EB-EF90-441B-B89F-84AAC4D57DB3@baymoon.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 09:45:12 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > No need to swap content at all in the Gordius. Just make an additional > bank! Then when using your Looperlative do the tap dancing on Bank #1 > and when tickling the Mobius you step on the same switches in Bank #2. > What I do is to use the LG "Songs" to call up a bank and footpedal assignments for each piece of gear. Then put them all in a LG "Set List". In a "Set List" it's possible to either tick each song for inclusion in the display or not. So while all the banks (and 'songs')stay in the LG memory, it's possible just to just scroll through the banks that are going to be useful in a performance. 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------=_NextPart_000_0056_01CE9C3D.2497F680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 18 14:16:31 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF34118355F; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 14:16:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=gazsi3J9xMHakdI2kKf+Q77gN+Dman3dqnh0Hzq9/6A=; b=q+sz84jjD9Hxtlaf+K4lDgGtQ9kfZrm11YZMelEuWzAxRxGwHiCqpnvpNY5oe4Xmrq 7Fnn2cK/8weFSdWUzpYsCu9ZtICtHltPHwXB6Cck/mhyMDAGEQEmT7BFwi7BwyE2RLvz vvWm9aWb2HKUQAuoZCOgNyxYUoKilbEmAx7OKw9915SfKx4jbofMS3jIydChMxJRXNet 4ZX7QWxw8WbSqZkukmbQUKKCN87gezHmgN0emC2xByLjuVgNOjD3gMpF5KD5pDJvn/7u idEK2H21Wi+TxKD9RkJpm3Do+tYRl0JoU4SQDNBv88UY5qk+sQx+vWIP1a/UTWKnfWzD nWEA== X-Received: by 10.68.175.33 with SMTP id bx1mr8283754pbc.21.1376835504956; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 07:18:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <52109828.1090301@tiscali.co.uk> References: <9080A7EB-EF90-441B-B89F-84AAC4D57DB3@baymoon.com> <52109828.1090301@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:18:04 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: SD5Z8WZKda85ZJ8w9QOoM7S3rqI Message-ID: Subject: Re: McMillan 12 step anyone? To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd6b2ae2fea4504e4397f27 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 14:16:31 +0000 (UTC) --047d7bd6b2ae2fea4504e4397f27 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Im nervously watching this thread cos I just bought a LG.. It all sounds very daunting! Have to admit, that ages ago I opened the Gordius software to take a peek, and closed it pretty quick... Im terribly sorry, but IM sure theres gonna be stream of irritating question heading this way.. (or maybe the Gordius Forum way, if there is one.. and if its alive...) Anyway I hope you are all virtually slapping me on the back saying, "well done old sport, good choice!" I have had a year back with the EDP pedal, and an iPad, and it was fun... but now THAT pedal is not working too well. At a recent gig I was getting multiplys instead of inserts.. Hmmm. So I have finally, bitten the bullet! Not here yet, but expecting this week... M On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 11:47 AM, andy butler wrote: > Per Boysen wrote: > > No need to swap content at all in the Gordius. Just make an additional >> bank! Then when using your Looperlative do the tap dancing on Bank #1 >> and when tickling the Mobius you step on the same switches in Bank #2. >> >> > What I do is to use the LG "Songs" to call up a bank and footpedal > assignments > for each piece of gear. > > Then put them all in a LG "Set List". > > In a "Set List" it's possible to either tick each song for inclusion > in the display or not. > So while all the banks (and 'songs')stay in the LG memory, it's possible > just > to just scroll through the banks that are going to be useful in a > performance. > (the other ones being hidden) > > andy > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe --047d7bd6b2ae2fea4504e4397f27 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Im nervously watching this thread cos I just bought a LG..= It all sounds very daunting!
Have to admit, that ages ago I opened the = Gordius software to take a peek, and closed it pretty quick...=A0
Im ter= ribly sorry, but IM sure theres gonna be stream of irritating question head= ing this way.. (or maybe the Gordius Forum way, if there is one.. and if it= s alive...)

Anyway I hope you are all virtually slapping me on the back saying, &qu= ot;well done old sport, good choice!"=A0
I have had a year back wit= h the EDP pedal, and an iPad, and it was fun... but now THAT pedal is not w= orking too well. At a recent gig I was getting multiplys instead of inserts= .. Hmmm. So I have finally, bitten the bullet!

Not here yet, but expecting this week...

M



On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 = at 11:47 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote= :
Per Boysen wrote:

No need to swap content at all in the Gordius. Just make an additional
bank! Then when using your Looperlative do the tap dancing on Bank #1
and when tickling the Mobius you step on the same switches in Bank #2.


What I do is to use the LG "Songs" to call up a bank and footpeda= l assignments
for each piece of gear.

Then put them all in a LG "Set List".

In a "Set List" it's possible to either tick each song for in= clusion
in the display or not.
So while all the banks (and 'songs')stay in the LG memory, it's= possible just
to just scroll through the banks that are going to be useful in a performan= ce.
(the other ones being hidden)

andy




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--047d7bd6b2ae2fea4504e4397f27-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 18 14:31:46 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2763318355D; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 14:31:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=To8N2FM4AQ7xQ2U8un/DdFfy322oPaIQUdVsy9kI0dE=; b=o6naX88LzkJHnaI5ZtNmbM/QgMZGtvAq+TLxuY9kvGncptDrJOlKJFygJJyFFPFNZb kANT7XqyN4SfCV2UvfhEzBEE4aaE6bxP/BdZrT9apnXDVgq7dCkT8C4E36RO6MbGtK/x tginhv2tIzoGsRJTYF8vfLi1FYizRYckBXfWcJx85LwhLAQh2UD3bC2a87SIuhg7y/Y+ LnmGA8t20vbRaXwkwijtTT/JWA653Cg6xNdRGrt5HLcR73tfBOD4hfoQWxEKptj58BmK uaAC1pxHxM9bEollN5bGdeRGCiMB+gfEC3ic6vMv6AoE8T5H0+n5/GtPNUAyyNXYA2h0 s1Mw== X-Received: by 10.152.2.226 with SMTP id 2mr7698461lax.14.1376836417992; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 07:33:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <9080A7EB-EF90-441B-B89F-84AAC4D57DB3@baymoon.com> <52109828.1090301@tiscali.co.uk> From: todd reynolds Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 10:32:57 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: McMillan 12 step anyone? To: "Looper's Delight" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013c6a4e9bbd0a04e439b52a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 14:31:45 +0000 (UTC) --089e013c6a4e9bbd0a04e439b52a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Can't wait to hear of your experience, Mark! I have long been tempted by the LG, but have always avoided it because of its expense, nothing else. All of my Keith McMillen products stand me in good stead, and at the same time, I know there's something special about that pedal. (besides it's heaviness) Everybody who uses it, swears by it. up and down. On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 10:18 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Im nervously watching this thread cos I just bought a LG.. It all sounds > very daunting! > Have to admit, that ages ago I opened the Gordius software to take a peek, > and closed it pretty quick... > Im terribly sorry, but IM sure theres gonna be stream of irritating > question heading this way.. (or maybe the Gordius Forum way, if there is > one.. and if its alive...) > > Anyway I hope you are all virtually slapping me on the back saying, "well > done old sport, good choice!" > I have had a year back with the EDP pedal, and an iPad, and it was fun... > but now THAT pedal is not working too well. At a recent gig I was getting > multiplys instead of inserts.. Hmmm. So I have finally, bitten the bullet! > > Not here yet, but expecting this week... > > M > > > --089e013c6a4e9bbd0a04e439b52a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Can't wait to hear of your experience, Mark! I have lo= ng been tempted by the LG, but have always avoided it because of its expens= e, nothing else. =A0All of my Keith McMillen products stand me in good stea= d, and at the same time, I know there's something special about that pe= dal. (besides it's heaviness) Everybody who uses it, swears by it. =A0u= p and down.


On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 10:18 AM, mark f= rancombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
Im nervously watching this thread cos I just bought a LG..= It all sounds very daunting!
Have to admit, that ages ago I opened the = Gordius software to take a peek, and closed it pretty quick...=A0
Im ter= ribly sorry, but IM sure theres gonna be stream of irritating question head= ing this way.. (or maybe the Gordius Forum way, if there is one.. and if it= s alive...)

Anyway I hope you are all virtually slapping me on the back saying, &qu= ot;well done old sport, good choice!"=A0
I have had a year back wit= h the EDP pedal, and an iPad, and it was fun... but now THAT pedal is not w= orking too well. At a recent gig I was getting multiplys instead of inserts= .. Hmmm. So I have finally, bitten the bullet!

Not here yet, but expecting this week...

M


--089e013c6a4e9bbd0a04e439b52a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 18 15:21:30 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58BDE18355A; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 15:21:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:references :to:in-reply-to; bh=ehHAaBSmM6+kJa++F04qtJVqHIK+Dnxg6Ks/lQe4azw=; b=p+456Bgr5F6bdN4Y1Lp4bWrDKaADi3vviQCM2qA+9ImTm1uG/YI4vu/2O8zD7p2XHC CXd13UPksWtCFi2CncZpf/poA8HL6sv6BCcg8qP6NoeOTBNQHWZQJ0+j2/JJS3J2lL4F 9ikT/bm/KnY8EeW7E3rXmxdHWIgq2/oTiMLiQo9l2ks0DWsiKi2q4Em0H0l/OInd8Ezc 0tzesJGNjHenXYQEZiNuG+buicdtyPm1eaB9vsU21Guxce+J5iSIuC4OQ9NgxzKny/gY aBrMe+hJEmUwxHAebnGlkqQhBduK3vXPj4wtPofg+xbdgkqolwQaFnf4ekar3CSWK7ig lzmw== X-Received: by 10.68.34.165 with SMTP id a5mr1749383pbj.156.1376839403735; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 08:23:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Philip Clevenger Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E2FDDC38-4B9F-422C-92A3-CB1AAC1EF920" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) Subject: Re: McMillan 12 step anyone? Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 08:23:21 -0700 References: <9080A7EB-EF90-441B-B89F-84AAC4D57DB3@baymoon.com> <52109828.1090301@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 15:21:30 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_E2FDDC38-4B9F-422C-92A3-CB1AAC1EF920 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Little Giant, it's infinitely flexible and I've not yet found anything = it can't do - except fit into a backpack under an airplane seat, hence = my own interest in a KMI solution as well. The software is, like most of these things, rather homespun, but far far = better than the KMI stuff. You'll be very happy with your LG once you get thru the initial = programming learning curve. Best, Phil :) On Aug 18, 2013, at 7:18 AM, mark francombe = wrote: > Im nervously watching this thread cos I just bought a LG.. It all = sounds very daunting! > Have to admit, that ages ago I opened the Gordius software to take a = peek, and closed it pretty quick...=20 > Im terribly sorry, but IM sure theres gonna be stream of irritating = question heading this way.. (or maybe the Gordius Forum way, if there is = one.. and if its alive...) >=20 > Anyway I hope you are all virtually slapping me on the back saying, = "well done old sport, good choice!"=20 > I have had a year back with the EDP pedal, and an iPad, and it was = fun... but now THAT pedal is not working too well. At a recent gig I was = getting multiplys instead of inserts.. Hmmm. So I have finally, bitten = the bullet! >=20 > Not here yet, but expecting this week... >=20 > M >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 11:47 AM, andy butler = wrote: > Per Boysen wrote: >=20 > No need to swap content at all in the Gordius. Just make an additional > bank! Then when using your Looperlative do the tap dancing on Bank #1 > and when tickling the Mobius you step on the same switches in Bank #2. >=20 >=20 > What I do is to use the LG "Songs" to call up a bank and footpedal = assignments > for each piece of gear. >=20 > Then put them all in a LG "Set List". >=20 > In a "Set List" it's possible to either tick each song for inclusion > in the display or not.=20 > So while all the banks (and 'songs')stay in the LG memory, it's = possible just > to just scroll through the banks that are going to be useful in a = performance. > (the other ones being hidden) >=20 > andy >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe --Apple-Mail=_E2FDDC38-4B9F-422C-92A3-CB1AAC1EF920 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 mark@markfrancombe.com> = wrote:

Im nervously watching this thread cos I = just bought a LG.. It all sounds very daunting!
Have to admit, that = ages ago I opened the Gordius software to take a peek, and closed it = pretty quick... 
Im terribly sorry, but IM sure theres gonna be = stream of irritating question heading this way.. (or maybe the Gordius = Forum way, if there is one.. and if its alive...)

Anyway I hope you are all virtually slapping me on the back saying, = "well done old sport, good choice!" 
I have had a year back with = the EDP pedal, and an iPad, and it was fun... but now THAT pedal is not = working too well. At a recent gig I was getting multiplys instead of = inserts.. Hmmm. So I have finally, bitten the bullet!

Not here yet, but expecting this week...

M



On Sun, Aug 18, = 2013 at 11:47 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Per = Boysen wrote:

No need to swap content at all in the Gordius. Just make an = additional
bank! Then when using your Looperlative do the tap dancing on Bank = #1
and when tickling the Mobius you step on the same switches in Bank = #2.


What I do is to use the LG "Songs" to call up a bank and footpedal = assignments
for each piece of gear.

Then put them all in a LG "Set List".

In a "Set List" it's possible to either tick each song for inclusion
in the display or not.
So while all the banks (and 'songs')stay in the LG memory, it's possible = just
to just scroll through the banks that are going to be useful in a = performance.
(the other ones being hidden)

andy




-- =

= --Apple-Mail=_E2FDDC38-4B9F-422C-92A3-CB1AAC1EF920-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 18 15:43:46 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8112D18355E; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 15:43:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=dpx4MM4M/G7L/SFbnDBD/Tr6soOCiFw8uBIZ7mJsQ9w=; b=WX+JZfvCJs+I/vz5xKHR4IQcmxbq1s5MlAo7dV7g4ovg5Kt+LL3VU+hdFOXqgeKESl y0u7oKDpz4zv1xwqZCldqzuNfqjHLGfb0UllgQRkzZU/7OIaypelQXELqD/rQr8G6pgM Ip3dlqfG40yHJh9rlqWsbsKFVYw3uw44ipXyF4PLcvGqFyr19HdQo+tsF/cXmCJhf4Qj lA79ldnLKSLmqxYZ3tXAENutha/K0kM6Xr13tFZ0jJGrNfGW/jEN4YHb6k9AlUrpzQ4C MSs3kpThv2p2RLnptcnbQBLrlGLN0R7+c1BGmvPHpHNoIjNDq2Et4vS0kNCSOuy42Unr X06Q== X-Received: by 10.68.189.5 with SMTP id ge5mr8616045pbc.42.1376840737796; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 08:45:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <9080A7EB-EF90-441B-B89F-84AAC4D57DB3@baymoon.com> <52109828.1090301@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:45:16 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: -_-vtJh4hoKjsfTOgGHZWI5e8_M Message-ID: Subject: Re: McMillan 12 step anyone? To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1c94c16b9a904e43ab70e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 15:43:44 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8ff1c94c16b9a904e43ab70e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Phil, I loved the look and idea (and price) of the Keith Mac stuff. I was a really early adopter of the Softstep. The really clunky software didnt bother me, but I couldnt get on with a pedal board that had no "give" no "click" or any feeling of feedback at all. I was always triggering things by accident, or not at all, I sent it back... Phew....back staring at the Gordius software now, I think my main misunderstanding with it (Where I say misunderstanding I mean, totally fucking confused and aint got clue!) Is "where I actually program a pedal?" Theres 3 pages, Presets (Is this simply for naming a pedal? But you have to decide here what kind of a press you want??? What do I want? midi note, with sus... for edp, Prg for Repeater...? which column is that?) Then you have to go to Content (Content??? Jeez... Xavier must have worked in website building at some time) where I think is where you add the fiddley details, the good stuff in other words, midi channels, notes blah blah etc But then we have Banks.. and then Songs!!! Whats a Bank? Is that a set of 10 switches?.. so whats a song? Well I know what a song is of course, but... its a tad too many things here... By the way, Im 50 this year, has anyone else discovered that they have gotten really grumpy about having to use technology lately? God Im really beginning to hate it, unfortunately my job involves computers... I really seriously thinking of opening a shop... or caf=E9... or I dunno... Big fat sign on the window CASH ONLY! maybe its just me... mid life crisis and all that... teenagers suddenly look like children now, it was only a few years ago, I would look at an 19 yr old girl, and think Ill ave some of that... now I think.. Cover yourself up dear, you'll catch your death! (more of this rambling at my anonymous non-music related blog http://grumpyenglishmaninnorway.wordpress.com/ ) M On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Philip Clevenger wrote: > Little Giant, it's infinitely flexible and I've not yet found anything it > can't do - except fit into a backpack under an airplane seat, hence my ow= n > interest in a KMI solution as well. > > The software is, like most of these things, rather homespun, but far far > better than the KMI stuff. > > You'll be very happy with your LG once you get thru the initial > programming learning curve. > > Best, > > Phil :) > > > On Aug 18, 2013, at 7:18 AM, mark francombe > wrote: > > Im nervously watching this thread cos I just bought a LG.. It all sounds > very daunting! > Have to admit, that ages ago I opened the Gordius software to take a peek= , > and closed it pretty quick... > Im terribly sorry, but IM sure theres gonna be stream of irritating > question heading this way.. (or maybe the Gordius Forum way, if there is > one.. and if its alive...) > > Anyway I hope you are all virtually slapping me on the back saying, "well > done old sport, good choice!" > I have had a year back with the EDP pedal, and an iPad, and it was fun... > but now THAT pedal is not working too well. At a recent gig I was getting > multiplys instead of inserts.. Hmmm. So I have finally, bitten the bullet= ! > > Not here yet, but expecting this week... > > M > > > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 11:47 AM, andy butler wro= te: > >> Per Boysen wrote: >> >> No need to swap content at all in the Gordius. Just make an additional >>> bank! Then when using your Looperlative do the tap dancing on Bank #1 >>> and when tickling the Mobius you step on the same switches in Bank #2. >>> >>> >> What I do is to use the LG "Songs" to call up a bank and footpedal >> assignments >> for each piece of gear. >> >> Then put them all in a LG "Set List". >> >> In a "Set List" it's possible to either tick each song for inclusion >> in the display or not. >> So while all the banks (and 'songs')stay in the LG memory, it's possible >> just >> to just scroll through the banks that are going to be useful in a >> performance. >> (the other ones being hidden) >> >> andy >> >> > > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > > > --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe --e89a8ff1c94c16b9a904e43ab70e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Phil, I loved the look and idea (and price) of th= e Keith Mac stuff. I was a really early adopter of the Softstep. The really= clunky software didnt bother me, but I couldnt get on with a pedal board t= hat had no "give" no "click" or any feeling of feedback= at all. I was always triggering things by accident, or not at all, I sent = it back...

Phew....back staring at the Gordius software now, I think my= main misunderstanding with it (Where I say misunderstanding I mean, totall= y fucking confused and aint got clue!) Is "where I actually program a = pedal?" Theres 3 pages, Presets (Is this simply for naming a pedal? Bu= t you have to decide here what kind of a press you want??? What do I want? = midi note, with sus... for edp, Prg for Repeater...? which column is that?)= Then you have to go to Content (Content??? Jeez... Xavier must have worked= in website building at some time) where I think is where you add the fiddl= ey details, the good stuff in other words, midi channels, notes blah blah e= tc But then we have Banks.. and then Songs!!! Whats a Bank? Is that a set o= f 10 switches?.. so whats a song? Well I know what a song is of course, but= ... its a tad too many things here...=A0

By the way, Im 50 this year, has anyone else discovered that they have = gotten really grumpy about having to use technology lately? God Im really b= eginning to hate it, unfortunately my job involves computers... I really se= riously thinking of opening a shop... or caf=E9... or I dunno...
Big fat sign on the window CASH ONLY!
maybe its just me... mid life cris= is and all that... teenagers suddenly look like children now, it was only a= few years ago, I would look at an 19 yr old girl, and think Ill ave some o= f that... now I think.. Cover yourself up dear, you'll catch your death= !

(more of this rambling at my anonymous non-music relate= d blog http://gr= umpyenglishmaninnorway.wordpress.com/ )

M
--e89a8ff1c94c16b9a904e43ab70e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 18 16:06:26 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C420718355C; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:06:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MbzN8Z0/98QxxXdc9glnaIlYC+r/xtTWcT3ldNi1pnE=; b=ejq8lmgjuXL8f1P7V88TMeXZZfky66r5vb5aSLcpdQ1ybapBZcAQcEqyhSBaHgQWZv X4DXZGHXah8ccqhBP8ds3Ptbj7v5c3GNpuHpQu2kObweDgszGBXWxCJ0gQi6v62/BVbK qIrCBGOO+NUA1pwR46eKJsskzhFy53ZHnRNEaPBwXM485AinP0/EpKOXDzbNzVt4y8UH FCjoVzPlgb1iOr1X0EQf9+hpNlv8xuPhqc4cVWduB2lHEfrlPG0e4Tr7ukzR/UEfCHar 8oploITn4KuXTepK3uZZKFyO2EaqrERlfGe+pRI4/NbY5DVFRCeVfhjd7v4IEZZA/0rL kIQQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.146.71 with SMTP id ta7mr254265veb.23.1376842100563; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 09:08:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <9080A7EB-EF90-441B-B89F-84AAC4D57DB3@baymoon.com> <52109828.1090301@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 18:08:20 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: McMillan 12 step anyone? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <8PTQOB.A.vp.CEPESB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:06:26 +0000 (UTC) Just quick chime-in on the Gordius: You don't have to use all its functions! And please don't start by looking at the editor software!!!! Start by sitting down with a pencil and paper to make a list of what you need. If you're going to control software loopers and stuff you probably just need to set up the Gordious to send MIDI Notes. For some software it is important to send both a Note On and a Note Off message, like a chromatic keyboard does; and then you go into the Presets window (of the Gordius Editor) and create as many patches as you need switches. Set the Note On as the "First message stream" and Note On as the "Second message stream" (I give them both the value 100 and that seems to work fine). Over here I set up the Gordius once and almost never change it. I have one bank with MIDI Program Change to use for swapping patches on the laptop or the AxeFx amp. Then I have seven banks with Note On messages starting from the lowest and up, ten Note On switches in each bank and the note numbers corresponding to the switch numbers on the pedal (think I had to skip over the low C and start at C sharp to get that logical). Second thing to do is to type in a CC number for the expression pedals. Be sure to chose a good MIDI channel; not a channel that is used by other gear in your rig. (with Mobius that is no problem because when you MIDI Learn the messages Mobiuse takes note also about MIDI channel. Well, Mainstage does too. I think most modern software do that, so it is easy to set up if you keep it logical and straight from the beginning). There's a lot of useful stuff in the Gordius, like setting up switches to send 30 second's controller sweeps or scripting, but you shouldn't worry about all that. Worry about listing what you need and then just set it up. From there you can go into more advanced stuff later, if you want (I haven't gotten there yet and doubt I ever will) ... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 5:45 PM, mark francombe wr= ote: > Hey Phil, I loved the look and idea (and price) of the Keith Mac stuff. I > was a really early adopter of the Softstep. The really clunky software di= dnt > bother me, but I couldnt get on with a pedal board that had no "give" no > "click" or any feeling of feedback at all. I was always triggering things= by > accident, or not at all, I sent it back... > > Phew....back staring at the Gordius software now, I think my main > misunderstanding with it (Where I say misunderstanding I mean, totally > fucking confused and aint got clue!) Is "where I actually program a pedal= ?" > Theres 3 pages, Presets (Is this simply for naming a pedal? But you have = to > decide here what kind of a press you want??? What do I want? midi note, w= ith > sus... for edp, Prg for Repeater...? which column is that?) Then you have= to > go to Content (Content??? Jeez... Xavier must have worked in website > building at some time) where I think is where you add the fiddley details= , > the good stuff in other words, midi channels, notes blah blah etc But the= n > we have Banks.. and then Songs!!! Whats a Bank? Is that a set of 10 > switches?.. so whats a song? Well I know what a song is of course, but... > its a tad too many things here... > > By the way, Im 50 this year, has anyone else discovered that they have > gotten really grumpy about having to use technology lately? God Im really > beginning to hate it, unfortunately my job involves computers... I really > seriously thinking of opening a shop... or caf=C3=A9... or I dunno... > Big fat sign on the window CASH ONLY! > maybe its just me... mid life crisis and all that... teenagers suddenly l= ook > like children now, it was only a few years ago, I would look at an 19 yr = old > girl, and think Ill ave some of that... now I think.. Cover yourself up > dear, you'll catch your death! > > (more of this rambling at my anonymous non-music related blog > http://grumpyenglishmaninnorway.wordpress.com/ ) > > M > > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Philip Clevenger > wrote: >> >> Little Giant, it's infinitely flexible and I've not yet found anything i= t >> can't do - except fit into a backpack under an airplane seat, hence my o= wn >> interest in a KMI solution as well. >> >> The software is, like most of these things, rather homespun, but far far >> better than the KMI stuff. >> >> You'll be very happy with your LG once you get thru the initial >> programming learning curve. >> >> Best, >> >> Phil :) >> >> >> On Aug 18, 2013, at 7:18 AM, mark francombe >> wrote: >> >> Im nervously watching this thread cos I just bought a LG.. It all sounds >> very daunting! >> Have to admit, that ages ago I opened the Gordius software to take a pee= k, >> and closed it pretty quick... >> Im terribly sorry, but IM sure theres gonna be stream of irritating >> question heading this way.. (or maybe the Gordius Forum way, if there is >> one.. and if its alive...) >> >> Anyway I hope you are all virtually slapping me on the back saying, "wel= l >> done old sport, good choice!" >> I have had a year back with the EDP pedal, and an iPad, and it was fun..= . >> but now THAT pedal is not working too well. At a recent gig I was gettin= g >> multiplys instead of inserts.. Hmmm. So I have finally, bitten the bulle= t! >> >> Not here yet, but expecting this week... >> >> M >> >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 11:47 AM, andy butler >> wrote: >>> >>> Per Boysen wrote: >>> >>>> No need to swap content at all in the Gordius. Just make an additional >>>> bank! Then when using your Looperlative do the tap dancing on Bank #1 >>>> and when tickling the Mobius you step on the same switches in Bank #2. >>>> >>> >>> What I do is to use the LG "Songs" to call up a bank and footpedal >>> assignments >>> for each piece of gear. >>> >>> Then put them all in a LG "Set List". >>> >>> In a "Set List" it's possible to either tick each song for inclusion >>> in the display or not. >>> So while all the banks (and 'songs')stay in the LG memory, it's possibl= e >>> just >>> to just scroll through the banks that are going to be useful in a >>> performance. >>> (the other ones being hidden) >>> >>> andy >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mark Francombe >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no >> twitter @markfrancombe >> >> > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 18 16:12:50 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE0AF18355E; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:12:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 255451.86464.bm@omp1077.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1376842483; bh=+91Gq42EX/xEAM93pnXFcnEyvSJLtDKoN3CKJgIn/EY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VJdwxidZ6A1lbX6zmzNUyHj6w/My5Ja8zrnUAKwyqvOTiNxuTJarYUtSM3zGcw7FhTbvjF9snCiK6UTy1uhNnIV7kPWSQiAwCc9oBZ9vOIMHu7IwreFw8ssR/q5ElSaqMgY8KE6/ZZjyqKX7GfkbG8jEdBc8FhPL20VQ2s4g2c4= X-YMail-OSG: dKa4e8wVM1kSG58lDbXrCpxJivBCEfPob4PmaWR0sF5yuFb rhYsHpLS1GGgdUfCB3rq1TYz4s.tvqKMeHBXEaX0Nhr0KfPMiWvwmLBGmVEg HDZYkbkbDLXVpMxBnIlwB2bOfP.3Uw0Ykh0hC4P9p3J5fwUsa3yV5JwBanPo kZhxuYnf6Xu3.ImELb1VWS4LhNf39GkA6VQw0yqs5ecuVYZabZH89WYN9Onj kCNHp3N43yLQ_APli.inrQc6cgGwrgGMpSV1rNC1dFT8gQm4VwgAdrLL5WQd bqNIRxX8v09kA09aDPiiJ0V0XHGwtlToqaSmyrlfkFRsvBlrI.HNC5mc8yBg QlWMF6cxQSSPMvrEfFhzNcPK6.buDugJ2g.2yioEhTRvlFEIEXjsbmepw7Gh xsHTUxc54NSLSKhZhieh_4Dgdgzd5Ud8nZh0o1XxYkOTkpe.TyUZmWbNCD5Z 4ymLOE.zVBogXcEByEYhWImFGGT8IPjjhH4YT45m.miGamsmMd1ZgHyHjPzR zeMQL1YGOIfKQCqvzRRBJ6xQHapR4S2y22qDNbdSm3dDXqR9WMLQQ3RYl7oW fh6gTOWYgRABbl80QLjIdVhrP7EseUT2Bcjf26j6nyvsgQdWX7n9sMncbVtF vCdgh3EPx.fr48z9uEoFhr4Pa4qwuU4Tx3v.pYSCx5VtysLUfxt4bgyA4YyJ PYTyUlKhR0whK66oe.xiE X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,V2h5IGFyZSB5b3UgYXNraW5nIG1lLCBNYW5pc2g_IEkgYW0gbm90IGluIGNoYXJnZSBvZiBzdWJzY3JpcHRpb25zLiA7RAoKCsKgCgoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KIEZyb206IE1hbmlzaCBWeWFzIDxtYW5pc2hAbWFuaXNodnlhcy5jb20.ClRvOiBMb29wZXJzLURlbGlnaHRAbG9vcGVycy1kZWxpZ2h0LmNvbSAKU2VudDogU3VuZGF5LCBBdWd1c3QgMTgsIDIwMTMgODozMiBBTQpTdWJqZWN0OiB1bnN1YnNjcmliZQogCgoKUGxlYXNlIHVuc3Vic2NyaWJlIG1lLgrCoApGcm9tOk4BMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.154.571 References: <33103645.49823.1376825352609.JavaMail.www@wsfrf1116> <005501ce9c0f$0ade5af0$209b10d0$@manishvyas.com> Message-ID: <1376842482.72978.YahooMailNeo@web120303.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 09:14:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Mungenast Reply-To: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: unsubscribe To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <005501ce9c0f$0ade5af0$209b10d0$@manishvyas.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="983643977-1279272347-1376842482=:72978" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:12:49 +0000 (UTC) --983643977-1279272347-1376842482=:72978 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Why are you asking me, Manish? 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= --983643977-1279272347-1376842482=:72978-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 18 16:14:10 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46F8918355D; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:14:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=t85Db/XFuRdq5OMICoKZGjmu6eTsuCa7Ug42ObxWIj0=; b=kuFO+dFN6ILxvjxEs6Z0CBwBorvEbJ8Jqm04Kqfj3jt6vTdz7CM7hZbfVES0exLzqj Bz/zbTY/o/atxIVDZ0TLnEz7vg0mcilAzIjv2HSnxWv7dWSQ2em6oObur23qPAvCymRi SA4bjS/1xbMHafQBQlQ5KnkKYWY1f3Me9d19wT0WA3ljudZA6bV5hGEQfYbfx11dnYuR qtb+BCsqjoykew3MjGdLmT8PW0KdSEkMqiIA+l2zHbf+RPq9klmyqtV+0CYVBl68Ce7O 5thk/7kmPIrPamIhPwQosLLYDJUlMPeysEQOVOKxvTmHHZw7xulZAv8imjF0w9va0A98 8Waw== X-Received: by 10.66.144.161 with SMTP id sn1mr8695816pab.30.1376842562567; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 09:16:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <9080A7EB-EF90-441B-B89F-84AAC4D57DB3@baymoon.com> <52109828.1090301@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 18:15:42 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: OepYsfiovO7gCBYrjJyB-wS5XY0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: McMillan 12 step anyone? To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6da06cda847a04e43b2309 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:14:09 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b6da06cda847a04e43b2309 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ha ha If only Per.. I remember your nice method.. I did it with my brief affair with software.. very handy. But unfortunately I have all hardware, and I have to trawl thru the books to find them numbers and stuff.. Luckily Ive already done that, and have everything listed exactly as I like it... HURRAH! So its just the software I have to get my head around... and I still dont know what a bank or song is, although Ive been looking for tutorials... Or even an instruction manual... have you seen that thing? Hmmm... Anyway, Im still happy... I got a Monotribe almost free the other day... They are quite simply the most fun a guy can have on his own.. I mean it.. Yes.. more than that! M On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Just quick chime-in on the Gordius: You don't have to use all its > functions! And please don't start by looking at the editor > software!!!! Start by sitting down with a pencil and paper to make a > list of what you need. If you're going to control software loopers and > stuff you probably just need to set up the Gordious to send MIDI > Notes. For some software it is important to send both a Note On and a > Note Off message, like a chromatic keyboard does; and then you go into > the Presets window (of the Gordius Editor) and create as many patches > as you need switches. Set the Note On as the "First message stream" > and Note On as the "Second message stream" (I give them both the value > 100 and that seems to work fine). > > Over here I set up the Gordius once and almost never change it. I have > one bank with MIDI Program Change to use for swapping patches on the > laptop or the AxeFx amp. Then I have seven banks with Note On messages > starting from the lowest and up, ten Note On switches in each bank and > the note numbers corresponding to the switch numbers on the pedal > (think I had to skip over the low C and start at C sharp to get that > logical). Second thing to do is to type in a CC number for the > expression pedals. Be sure to chose a good MIDI channel; not a channel > that is used by other gear in your rig. (with Mobius that is no > problem because when you MIDI Learn the messages Mobiuse takes note > also about MIDI channel. Well, Mainstage does too. I think most modern > software do that, so it is easy to set up if you keep it logical and > straight from the beginning). > > There's a lot of useful stuff in the Gordius, like setting up switches > to send 30 second's controller sweeps or scripting, but you shouldn't > worry about all that. Worry about listing what you need and then just > set it up. From there you can go into more advanced stuff later, if > you want (I haven't gotten there yet and doubt I ever will) > > ... > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 5:45 PM, mark francombe > wrote: > > Hey Phil, I loved the look and idea (and price) of the Keith Mac stuff.= I > > was a really early adopter of the Softstep. The really clunky software > didnt > > bother me, but I couldnt get on with a pedal board that had no "give" n= o > > "click" or any feeling of feedback at all. I was always triggering > things by > > accident, or not at all, I sent it back... > > > > Phew....back staring at the Gordius software now, I think my main > > misunderstanding with it (Where I say misunderstanding I mean, totally > > fucking confused and aint got clue!) Is "where I actually program a > pedal?" > > Theres 3 pages, Presets (Is this simply for naming a pedal? But you hav= e > to > > decide here what kind of a press you want??? What do I want? midi note, > with > > sus... for edp, Prg for Repeater...? which column is that?) Then you > have to > > go to Content (Content??? Jeez... Xavier must have worked in website > > building at some time) where I think is where you add the fiddley > details, > > the good stuff in other words, midi channels, notes blah blah etc But > then > > we have Banks.. and then Songs!!! Whats a Bank? Is that a set of 10 > > switches?.. so whats a song? Well I know what a song is of course, but.= .. > > its a tad too many things here... > > > > By the way, Im 50 this year, has anyone else discovered that they have > > gotten really grumpy about having to use technology lately? God Im real= ly > > beginning to hate it, unfortunately my job involves computers... I real= ly > > seriously thinking of opening a shop... or caf=E9... or I dunno... > > Big fat sign on the window CASH ONLY! > > maybe its just me... mid life crisis and all that... teenagers suddenly > look > > like children now, it was only a few years ago, I would look at an 19 y= r > old > > girl, and think Ill ave some of that... now I think.. Cover yourself up > > dear, you'll catch your death! > > > > (more of this rambling at my anonymous non-music related blog > > http://grumpyenglishmaninnorway.wordpress.com/ ) > > > > M > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Philip Clevenger < > phil.clevenger@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> Little Giant, it's infinitely flexible and I've not yet found anything > it > >> can't do - except fit into a backpack under an airplane seat, hence my > own > >> interest in a KMI solution as well. > >> > >> The software is, like most of these things, rather homespun, but far f= ar > >> better than the KMI stuff. > >> > >> You'll be very happy with your LG once you get thru the initial > >> programming learning curve. > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> Phil :) > >> > >> > >> On Aug 18, 2013, at 7:18 AM, mark francombe > >> wrote: > >> > >> Im nervously watching this thread cos I just bought a LG.. It all soun= ds > >> very daunting! > >> Have to admit, that ages ago I opened the Gordius software to take a > peek, > >> and closed it pretty quick... > >> Im terribly sorry, but IM sure theres gonna be stream of irritating > >> question heading this way.. (or maybe the Gordius Forum way, if there = is > >> one.. and if its alive...) > >> > >> Anyway I hope you are all virtually slapping me on the back saying, > "well > >> done old sport, good choice!" > >> I have had a year back with the EDP pedal, and an iPad, and it was > fun... > >> but now THAT pedal is not working too well. At a recent gig I was > getting > >> multiplys instead of inserts.. Hmmm. So I have finally, bitten the > bullet! > >> > >> Not here yet, but expecting this week... > >> > >> M > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 11:47 AM, andy butler > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Per Boysen wrote: > >>> > >>>> No need to swap content at all in the Gordius. Just make an addition= al > >>>> bank! Then when using your Looperlative do the tap dancing on Bank #= 1 > >>>> and when tickling the Mobius you step on the same switches in Bank #= 2. > >>>> > >>> > >>> What I do is to use the LG "Songs" to call up a bank and footpedal > >>> assignments > >>> for each piece of gear. > >>> > >>> Then put them all in a LG "Set List". > >>> > >>> In a "Set List" it's possible to either tick each song for inclusion > >>> in the display or not. > >>> So while all the banks (and 'songs')stay in the LG memory, it's > possible > >>> just > >>> to just scroll through the banks that are going to be useful in a > >>> performance. > >>> (the other ones being hidden) > >>> > >>> andy > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Mark Francombe > >> www.markfrancombe.com > >> www.ordoabkhao.com > >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 > >> http://www.looop.no > >> twitter @markfrancombe > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Mark Francombe > > www.markfrancombe.com > > www.ordoabkhao.com > > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > > http://www.looop.no > > twitter @markfrancombe > > --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe --047d7b6da06cda847a04e43b2309 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ha ha If only Per.. I remember your nice method.. I did it= with my brief affair with software.. very handy.
But unfortunately I ha= ve all hardware, and I have to trawl thru the books to find them numbers an= d stuff..
Luckily Ive already done that, and have everything listed exactly as I like= it... HURRAH!

So its just the software I have to get my head around= ... and I still dont know what a bank or song is, although Ive been looking= for tutorials... Or even an instruction manual... have you seen that thing= ? Hmmm...

Anyway, Im still happy... I got a Monotribe almost free the = other day... They are quite simply the most fun a guy can have on his own..= I mean it.. Yes.. more than that!

M


On Sun, Aug 1= 8, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote= :
Just quick chime-in on the Gordius: You don't have to use all its
functions! And please don't start by looking at the editor
software!!!! Start by sitting down with a pencil and paper to make a
list of what you need. If you're going to control software loopers and<= br> stuff you probably just need to set up the Gordious to send MIDI
Notes. For some software it is important to send both a Note On and a
Note Off message, like a chromatic keyboard does; and then you go into
the Presets window (of the Gordius Editor) and create as many patches
as you need switches. Set the Note On as the "First message stream&quo= t;
and Note On as the "Second message stream" (I give them both the = value
100 and that seems to work fine).

Over here I set up the Gordius once and almost never change it. I have
one bank with MIDI Program Change to use for swapping patches on the
laptop or the AxeFx amp. Then I have seven banks with Note On messages
starting from the lowest and up, ten Note On switches in each bank and
the note numbers corresponding to the switch numbers on the pedal
(think I had to skip over the low C and start at C sharp to get that
logical). Second thing to do is to type in a CC number for the
expression pedals. Be sure to chose a good MIDI channel; not a channel
that is used by other gear in your rig. (with Mobius that is no
problem because when you MIDI Learn the messages Mobiuse takes note
also about MIDI channel. Well, Mainstage does too. I think most modern
software do that, so it is easy to set up if you keep it logical and
straight from the beginning).

There's a lot of useful stuff in the Gordius, like setting up switches<= br> to send 30 second's controller sweeps or scripting, but you shouldn'= ;t
worry about all that. Worry about listing what you need and then just
set it up. From there you can go into more advanced stuff later, if
you want (I haven't gotten there yet and doubt I ever will)

...
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen


On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 5:45 = PM, mark francombe <mark@markf= rancombe.com> wrote:
> Hey Phil, I loved the look and idea (and price) of the Keith Mac stuff= . I
> was a really early adopter of the Softstep. The really clunky software= didnt
> bother me, but I couldnt get on with a pedal board that had no "g= ive" no
> "click" or any feeling of feedback at all. I was always trig= gering things by
> accident, or not at all, I sent it back...
>
> Phew....back staring at the Gordius software now, I think my main
> misunderstanding with it (Where I say misunderstanding I mean, totally=
> fucking confused and aint got clue!) Is "where I actually program= a pedal?"
> Theres 3 pages, Presets (Is this simply for naming a pedal? But you ha= ve to
> decide here what kind of a press you want??? What do I want? midi note= , with
> sus... for edp, Prg for Repeater...? which column is that?) Then you h= ave to
> go to Content (Content??? Jeez... Xavier must have worked in website > building at some time) where I think is where you add the fiddley deta= ils,
> the good stuff in other words, midi channels, notes blah blah etc But = then
> we have Banks.. and then Songs!!! Whats a Bank? Is that a set of 10 > switches?.. so whats a song? Well I know what a song is of course, but= ...
> its a tad too many things here...
>
> By the way, Im 50 this year, has anyone else discovered that they have=
> gotten really grumpy about having to use technology lately? God Im rea= lly
> beginning to hate it, unfortunately my job involves computers... I rea= lly
> seriously thinking of opening a shop... or caf=E9... or I dunno...
> Big fat sign on the window CASH ONLY!
> maybe its just me... mid life crisis and all that... teenagers suddenl= y look
> like children now, it was only a few years ago, I would look at an 19 = yr old
> girl, and think Ill ave some of that... now I think.. Cover yourself u= p
> dear, you'll catch your death!
>
> (more of this rambling at my anonymous non-music related blog
> http://grumpyenglishmaninnorway.wordpress.com/ )
>
> M
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Philip Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Little Giant, it's infinitely flexible and I've not yet fo= und anything it
>> can't do - except fit into a backpack under an airplane seat, = hence my own
>> interest in a KMI solution as well.
>>
>> The software is, like most of these things, rather homespun, but f= ar far
>> better than the KMI stuff.
>>
>> You'll be very happy with your LG once you get thru the initia= l
>> programming learning curve.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Phil :)
>>
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2013, at 7:18 AM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Im nervously watching this thread cos I just bought a LG.. It all = sounds
>> very daunting!
>> Have to admit, that ages ago I opened the Gordius software to take= a peek,
>> and closed it pretty quick...
>> Im terribly sorry, but IM sure theres gonna be stream of irritatin= g
>> question heading this way.. (or maybe the Gordius Forum way, if th= ere is
>> one.. and if its alive...)
>>
>> Anyway I hope you are all virtually slapping me on the back saying= , "well
>> done old sport, good choice!"
>> I have had a year back with the EDP pedal, and an iPad, and it was= fun...
>> but now THAT pedal is not working too well. At a recent gig I was = getting
>> multiplys instead of inserts.. Hmmm. So I have finally, bitten the= bullet!
>>
>> Not here yet, but expecting this week...
>>
>> M
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 11:47 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Per Boysen wrote:
>>>
>>>> No need to swap content at all in the Gordius. Just make a= n additional
>>>> bank! Then when using your Looperlative do the tap dancing= on Bank #1
>>>> and when tickling the Mobius you step on the same switches= in Bank #2.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What I do is to use the LG "Songs" to call up a bank= and footpedal
>>> assignments
>>> for each piece of gear.
>>>
>>> Then put them all in a LG "Set List".
>>>
>>> In a "Set List" it's possible to either tick eac= h song for inclusion
>>> in the display or not.
>>> So while all the banks (and 'songs')stay in the LG mem= ory, it's possible
>>> just
>>> to just scroll through the banks that are going to be useful i= n a
>>> performance.
>>> (the other ones being hidden)
>>>
>>> andy
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mark Francombe
>> www.mar= kfrancombe.com
>> www.ordoab= khao.com
>> http://v= imeo.com/user825094
>> http://www.looop= .no
>> twitter @markfrancombe
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Mark Francombe
> www.markfra= ncombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao= .com
> http://vimeo= .com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no<= /a>
> twitter @markfrancombe




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--047d7b6da06cda847a04e43b2309-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 18 17:04:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 394D6183560; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:04:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20130818161411.20388183560@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20130818161411.20388183560@arsenic.violacea.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 10:06:27 -0700 Subject: Re: unsubscribe From: looppool@cruzio.com Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:04:35 +0000 (UTC) Unsubscribing is automated from the website. 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References: <9080A7EB-EF90-441B-B89F-84AAC4D57DB3@baymoon.com> <52109828.1090301@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:12:06 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > Phew....back staring at the Gordius software now, ok, me too. I'm not so familiar with the latest edition. I have a feeling it needs a few tweaks to make it user friendly, but it looks like it does the job. It does seem complex, and it's really different to the fcb type programming. Banks...those are like on the FCB1010 A whole layout of 10 switches. Songs, set lists ....forget about 'em. > Is "where I actually program a > pedal?" Theres 3 pages, Presets (Is this simply for naming a pedal? But > you have to decide here what kind of a press you want??? What do I want? > midi note, with sus... for edp, Prg for Repeater...? which column is > that?) Go to presets. You have to first create the preset, and then once it exists it can be assigned to a switch. (not like the fcb where you start with the switch you want to program) For controlling an EDP, use Momentaries. For changing fx presets (or possibly EDP presets) you can use Patches. Difference is that Gordius remembers the last "patch" you hit, and the LED will be stay on for that switch when you're. So.. you need to create your Momentaries (click the "+") , called "EDP Rec" "EDP OD" and so on before you can add content to them. (highlight your Momentary, and go to the Content page) The content is, as expected, the relevant NoteOn, but don't forget you have to put the Note-Off in the "Second Message Stream" Again you have to click the "+" to add a command, then you can edit it's content. Once you've got your presets made, you're ready to add them to a bank. So, you go to Banks, hit the "+" and call it "EDP basic" or something, then for each of the 10 switches (which you should now see in a list )you can add your Momentary. For now, it seems long winded. ...later you'll get the flexibility. >> Anyway I hope you are all virtually slapping me on the back >> saying, "well done old sport, good choice!" I suppose I'd better. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 18 19:18:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FD1B183560; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:18:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=WuNtQ3yjci3uMdlhE0JiULVBtHSbxhzIhp1Z0AgVnzI=; b=CLPg6XiSHUFvzUYW0KxGnaEW8I4RGUOqvJpWUnA6UfWlL+o9eaE3khcM+bRraAiU8P hgZUIpfmTx8lvCykNOv/WX4QQ8Rdl7fI0GKVXw1WM4XuVphap5x/EGH9iMAa7iyt3/kh mthaCg+LQGrQoJSjRzeiNApaUEPWS+K9DClESv0hYDY8+y/F6UzeTZ1vO+6tRlULUIsq AibnUtMBqFYr7zxEZ+KaqljqKG9/JW/8DBJJWXOk3VFmGvFIyuyO5tzHV9RACNpvy5al WeTfUyzcoVUEJrWlxeJH6loQ3vyJ1dynRbxOl5vGj29bsw2EYGyBF22yLXWG7rTSm9om q53w== X-Received: by 10.66.149.73 with SMTP id ty9mr9210110pab.36.1376853627311; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 12:20:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 21:20:07 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Av5F0vrZ79-D-Tm2CY_UZhrCdOg Message-ID: Subject: (WAS Re: McMillan 12 step) GORDIUS To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6783145d1a1704e43db702 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:18:35 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b6783145d1a1704e43db702 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Per Boysen wrote: Set the Note On as the "First message stream" >> and Note On as the "Second message stream" >> >> > Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> > Im assuming you mean Note Off as the Second message stream here Per? One question RE the previous screen, the Presets Screen. Which column are you entering in here? I dont understand this page really. I can change the names of the patches, but not sure which I want Patches Triggers Two State effects or Momentary effects. As far as I can tell theres not much difference between Triggers, and Momentary effects, and inded the help page says Triggers should be used with loopers. But what exactly is thePOINT of choosing in this page, when, on the next page (Content) I can choose ANYTHING, notes PGM changes whatever, so I cant see what this choice gives me? Thats it... so far.. Right now I'm just pasting in all this info, Thank GOD I have written it all down! Mark -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe --047d7b6783145d1a1704e43db702 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at= 6:08 PM, Per Boysen = <perboysen@gmai= l.com> wrote:

Set the Note On as the "First message stream"
and Note On as the "Second message stream"

=A0
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen

=

Im assuming you mean Note Off as the Second messa= ge stream here Per?

One question RE the previous s= creen, the Presets Screen.
Which column are you entering in here?
I dont understand this pag= e really. I can change the names of the patches, but not sure which I want<= /div>
Patches Triggers Two State effects or Momentary effects.

As far as I can tell theres not much difference between Triggers, and Momen= tary effects, and inded the help page says Triggers should be used with loo= pers.
But what exactly is thePOINT of choosing in this page, when, on th= e next page (Content) I can choose ANYTHING, notes PGM changes whatever, so= I cant see what this choice gives me?

Thats it... so far.. Right now I'm just pasting in all this info, T= hank GOD I have written it all down!

Mark


=A0
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--047d7b6783145d1a1704e43db702-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 18 19:22:54 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FD7E18355E; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:22:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=9skkurLrlzyd+i9LggolDeR9Z9HAG/zrCduUpw3eeAc=; b=ryJ7OTOfWGgf5iJPq4ZO+gj/tmdLU2D+3Qm3ywbbS6RW90fqo+IQIseh/JB6p9k4Pd Edlw1xvyMHOzC2I7nkLIao7vFABstIYIGu1pE3VjDMGgC09siLx5J611ELxonOSXfHAr fY67kvFPVt7eHJfxFhSfxRyjbcgupno3enVv3IvQZA/8RbX8ooLC32RkTDAqQ/XaEW1x yf40R2jrZ+BsbIq58+MAAU2F9er81f8jUh/XJSrf92fzYpiR2sJeivxu7ElSvKhhCpZR 0/5rifq8TFitC8Z2Y3ZK31HAESlulmyQzvLDIY03crCvD7Lqrqvo/G8ZiAkbNjY7OVBZ 7xEw== X-Received: by 10.68.90.99 with SMTP id bv3mr9439343pbb.108.1376853885233; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 12:24:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <52111D06.20806@tiscali.co.uk> References: <9080A7EB-EF90-441B-B89F-84AAC4D57DB3@baymoon.com> <52109828.1090301@tiscali.co.uk> <52111D06.20806@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 21:24:25 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: PNX4cJxOJOZ8mCogV13GPR1Iaf4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: McMillan 12 step anyone? To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b676266bcb28104e43dc691 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:22:53 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b676266bcb28104e43dc691 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 All received and understood, all questions answered, and all progress so far satisfyingly correct! HURRAH & HUZZAH to the good burghers of East Anglia for their efficient son and heir! Per.. you may stand down... Takk Andy! M On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 9:14 PM, andy butler wrote: > > > mark francombe wrote: > > Phew....back staring at the Gordius software now, >> > > ok, me too. > > I'm not so familiar with the latest edition. > > I have a feeling it needs a few tweaks to make it user friendly, > but it looks like it does the job. > > It does seem complex, and it's really different to the fcb type > programming. > > > > Banks...those are like on the FCB1010 > A whole layout of 10 switches. > > Songs, set lists ....forget about 'em. > > > > Is "where I actually program a pedal?" Theres 3 pages, Presets (Is this >> simply for naming a pedal? But you have to decide here what kind of a press >> you want??? What do I want? midi note, with sus... for edp, Prg for >> Repeater...? which column is that?) >> > > Go to presets. > > You have to first create the preset, and then once it exists it can be > assigned to a switch. > (not like the fcb where you start with the switch you want to program) > > For controlling an EDP, use Momentaries. > > For changing fx presets (or possibly EDP presets) you can use Patches. > > Difference is that Gordius remembers the last "patch" you hit, and the LED > will be stay on for that switch when you're. > > So.. you need to create your Momentaries (click the "+") , called "EDP > Rec" "EDP OD" and so on before you can add content to them. > (highlight your Momentary, and go to the Content page) > > The content is, as expected, the relevant NoteOn, but don't > forget you have to put the Note-Off in the "Second Message Stream" > > Again you have to click the "+" to add a command, then you can edit it's > content. > > > Once you've got your presets made, you're ready to add them to a bank. > > So, you go to Banks, hit the "+" and call it "EDP basic" or something, > > then for each of the 10 switches (which you should now see in a list )you > can add your Momentary. > > For now, it seems long winded. ...later you'll get the flexibility. > > > > > > Anyway I hope you are all virtually slapping me on the back >>> saying, "well done old sport, good choice!" >>> >> > I suppose I'd better. > > > andy > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe --047d7b676266bcb28104e43dc691 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All received and understood, all questions answered, and a= ll progress so far satisfyingly correct! HURRAH & HUZZAH to the good bu= rghers of East Anglia for their efficient son and heir!
Per.. you may s= tand down...

Takk Andy!

M


<= br>
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 9:14 PM, andy butler = <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:


mark francombe wrote:

Phew....back staring at the Gordius software now,

ok, me too.

I'm not so familiar with the latest edition.

I have a feeling it needs a few tweaks to make it user friendly,
but it looks like it does the job.

It does seem complex, and it's really different to the fcb type program= ming.



Banks...those are like on the FCB1010
A whole layout of 10 switches.

Songs, set lists ....forget about 'em.



Is "where I actually program a pedal?" Theres 3 pages, Presets (I= s this simply for naming a pedal? But you have to decide here what kind of = a press you want??? What do I want? midi note, with sus... for edp, Prg for= Repeater...? which column is that?)

Go to presets.

You have to first create the preset, and then once it exists it can be assi= gned to a switch.
(not like the fcb where you start with the switch you want to program)

For controlling an EDP, use Momentaries.

For changing fx presets (or possibly EDP presets) you can use Patches.

Difference is that Gordius remembers the last "patch" you hit, an= d the LED
will be stay on for that switch when you're.

So.. you need to create your Momentaries =A0(click the "+") , cal= led "EDP Rec" "EDP OD" and so on before you can add con= tent to them.
(highlight your Momentary, and go to the Content page)

The content is, as expected, the relevant NoteOn, =A0 but don't
forget you have to put the Note-Off in the "Second Message Stream"= ;

Again you have to click the "+" to add a command, then you can ed= it it's content.


Once you've got your presets made, you're ready to add them to a ba= nk.

So, you go to Banks, hit the "+" and call it "EDP basic"= ; or something,

then for each of the 10 switches (which you should now see in a list )you c= an add your Momentary.

For now, it seems long winded. ...later you'll get the flexibility.




=A0 =A0 Anyway I hope you are all virtually slapping me on the back
=A0 =A0 saying, "well done old sport, good choice!"

I suppose I'd better.

andy




-- --047d7b676266bcb28104e43dc691-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 18 20:29:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BD4D18355C; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 20:29:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=gmGrMyWnONz4RuxMndFKhW3W5P8UqHR8jj6Y/3nQvwM=; b=w5IiEbEl5RkeiALzYimBizFOJeIHV1Ve39OW0bFw524TR/d0bt39FPBMMor96XvPtZ 63ow0xETZrQJX5lb71jEnnkoiKCxifLD58Bq8b1URLqRPOdvRjQqej2M0FNPBdINCRjL l83xSIaRLMUclMY6mcx8R/Zzse8kEszDw25eMmWbjInPiruAkJ/8HqCqt0dFQPqWhMnP qOkO/5bkxRHEDX9cIorKhCxCKGwD/kqaCnKoOIRuS3t5+1n9keaFTFAveDtslyMBIeO4 GEKZefuC3b5QXQDbYhcLziPEqlp+amagYhfnh2rhgSPaD2/wE4+b/cjOBv5XSZW/F9OC LMsg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.110.66 with SMTP id hy2mr8275811vdb.16.1376857855084; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 13:30:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:30:55 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: (WAS Re: McMillan 12 step) GORDIUS From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 20:29:02 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 9:20 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Im assuming you mean Note Off as the Second message stream here Per? Yes, of course! My typing fingers sometimes act out of brain control. > One question RE the previous screen, the Presets Screen. > Which column are you entering in here? > I dont understand this page really. I can change the names of the patches, > but not sure which I want > Patches Triggers Two State effects or Momentary effects. > > As far as I can tell theres not much difference between Triggers, and > Momentary effects, and inded the help page says Triggers should be used with > loopers. > But what exactly is thePOINT of choosing in this page, when, on the next > page (Content) I can choose ANYTHING, notes PGM changes whatever, so I cant > see what this choice gives me? > > Thats it... so far.. Right now I'm just pasting in all this info, Thank GOD > I have written it all down! Well, chose the interface that suits you best. I usually only work in the Presets page to type in what a switch shall send. Then I go directly to the Banks page to hook up those patches to switches. I have several alternative banks with different setups for different rigs. Regarding the difference between "Triggers", "Patches" etc you can just open up "Details" for one and you will see what option it offers. Myself I mostly use Patches but also some Two-State effects for saving space on my pedal (having each switch alternate between two different MIDI Program change events gives me access to eight different setups by only using four switches). ... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 19 00:26:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C62018355D; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 00:26:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: William Walker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Gordius trials and triumphs Message-Id: <3877B738-294D-49CB-B820-F5FC7236855A@baymoon.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:28:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 00:26:55 +0000 (UTC) Hey Mark , It aint just you a baby! I have had plenty of over 50 brain = fart moments, trying to remember how to use the old editor librarian to = program midi note numbers on my Gordius Little Giant. I hadn't = programmed it in about 5 years and I had forgotten some things and = actually had never programed midi notes before, so following a tidbit = that Per tossed out, and the midi note conversion chart that Xavier = pointed out to me, I was finally able to get it done and luckily do it = on my old librarian, The thing is, I had never upgraded the LG since I = bought it, and i'm not sure if I have a necessary hardware upgrade in = place to be able to do so. I have a call out to Bob Amstadt to see if he = installed it in mine because I simply can't remember. So that has been = how I spent my weekend getting a few banks of Midi note on off = information programmed on my Little Giant, so I do have sus commands = working, in Mobius. The next step is scripts, but I'm still wondering if = quantize replace, as I know it on the Looperlative is possible in Mobius = or echoloop, the ability to program the the actual beat division as a = sus command, sus replace is cool but not the same, Anyone know how to do = this???=20 It has been interesting learning Mobius, i never did spend much time on = the EDP, went pretty much strait from a Lexicon jamman to a Repeater to = a Looperlative, so some of the commands like substitute, insert , = divide, loop windowing etc I have no reference point for. =20 Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 19 00:35:47 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E434D18355E; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 00:35:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=FTzKNf3BJOfFLj0baLxrYdTNU0RGJHAH2jFeTZp9xdQ=; b=vhla9J9WS/9FOw4MiARifMeHSogDtaV7rRFgNYPQBHw4QK1c6TuU4eqKQxzWkyAaTT Qxy/xaW0RMS6F/Kkk2NLvF0VULJs43mCfEH/VjAUYboy3YMN3QWWzboj69BKlDNUGltq WB2IHpVh671HI5y2DRuMA82fE37QVokcJoegdJiyZ/QBU0YPfyYVpWKsv88tUIr95Epy PKy+Jjg1bK61NJPBHEsJCyNukmRMFe55df2tE4mLBZXPVE/XTEsmqiuNjB3XuYDINITL EEn6gn20JJaLdB59QlJKKxhe2IkoLdQRwQVnT+3rtQRE67UBwpTnMXRcxttMBiXiSC3X sIUw== X-Received: by 10.182.128.6 with SMTP id nk6mr10404038obb.11.1376872657522; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:37:37 -0700 (PDT) References: <3877B738-294D-49CB-B820-F5FC7236855A@baymoon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: <3877B738-294D-49CB-B820-F5FC7236855A@baymoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <68FB5F0A-71A6-4B75-AC58-61255F079E23@gmail.com> Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B350) From: Philip Clevenger Subject: Re: Gordius trials and triumphs Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:37:33 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: <88bL4D.A.o5E.hhWESB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 00:35:46 +0000 (UTC) All totally doable, IMO better than for LP1... Sus included, got em all. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 18, 2013, at 5:28 PM, William Walker wrote: > Hey Mark , It aint just you a baby! I have had plenty of over 50 brain fa= rt moments, trying to remember how to use the old editor librarian to progr= am midi note numbers on my Gordius Little Giant. I hadn't programmed it in a= bout 5 years and I had forgotten some things and actually had never programe= d midi notes before, so following a tidbit that Per tossed out, and the midi= note conversion chart that Xavier pointed out to me, I was finally able to g= et it done and luckily do it on my old librarian, The thing is, I had never u= pgraded the LG since I bought it, and i'm not sure if I have a necessary har= dware upgrade in place to be able to do so. I have a call out to Bob Amstadt= to see if he installed it in mine because I simply can't remember. So that h= as been how I spent my weekend getting a few banks of Midi note on off infor= mation programmed on my Little Giant, so I do have sus commands working, in M= obius. The next step is scripts, but I'm still wondering if quantize replace= , as I know it on the Looperlative is possible in Mobius or echoloop, the ab= ility to program the the actual beat division as a sus command, sus replace i= s cool but not the same, Anyone know how to do this???=20 > It has been interesting learning Mobius, i never did spend much time on th= e EDP, went pretty much strait from a Lexicon jamman to a Repeater to a Loop= erlative, so some of the commands like substitute, insert , divide, loop w= indowing etc I have no reference point for. =20 > Bill >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 19 01:33:13 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B61918355D; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 01:33:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=nndcEIhpgZTKZpPbgjGr49UPYl3JAu4WwPDS81IWQRY=; b=hgrDxP4ttPWAo54HZdZ8KiryyGByO23cpY3yjqbDJ52g8LN4CgvZafeevGI2fDetlk X4JHMfddcTsHIY8Ccx0iRlRbXpyXMZMDbTo3FSdMg94KfncnHFH//PI9RsMxxb7jujAw qzFfrbMYQyZnge1Qenm9Dk/htUJVV5UodiZi1FfyBjoK9UhkWJvQfAEbWK7ey1qeClTa 4mJmow4ZylUWi/5L0rAm1h/tR5k3QdukkpiMSQW/HedEdjJs3qmYUkY/pRlvN+12uWzQ CztCAzuk0ktc7A9R8dGKs+me+Tr/L3//BqCWHquFs6kq9A5BiR6QHTsObuDP8uWHVr2r SOuw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.137.170 with SMTP id qj10mr10613980pbb.31.1376876103644; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 18:35:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <68FB5F0A-71A6-4B75-AC58-61255F079E23@gmail.com> References: <3877B738-294D-49CB-B820-F5FC7236855A@baymoon.com> <68FB5F0A-71A6-4B75-AC58-61255F079E23@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 21:35:03 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Gordius trials and triumphs From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b2e48780ebc3804e442f3a3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 01:33:12 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b2e48780ebc3804e442f3a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm not familiar with the LP1, but is the quantized replace the same as on the LP2? Tell us exactly how it works on the LP1 (what you need) and we'll figure it out. I'm sure you can get the same functionality in Mobius. Sylvain On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Philip Clevenger wrote: > All totally doable, IMO better than for LP1... > > Sus included, got em all. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 18, 2013, at 5:28 PM, William Walker > wrote: > > > Hey Mark , It aint just you a baby! I have had plenty of over 50 brain > fart moments, trying to remember how to use the old editor librarian to > program midi note numbers on my Gordius Little Giant. I hadn't programmed > it in about 5 years and I had forgotten some things and actually had never > programed midi notes before, so following a tidbit that Per tossed out, and > the midi note conversion chart that Xavier pointed out to me, I was finally > able to get it done and luckily do it on my old librarian, The thing is, I > had never upgraded the LG since I bought it, and i'm not sure if I have a > necessary hardware upgrade in place to be able to do so. I have a call out > to Bob Amstadt to see if he installed it in mine because I simply can't > remember. So that has been how I spent my weekend getting a few banks of > Midi note on off information programmed on my Little Giant, so I do have > sus commands working, in Mobius. The next step is scripts, but I'm still > wondering if quantize replace, as I know it on the Looperlative is possible > in Mobius or echoloop, the ability to program the the actual beat division > as a sus command, sus replace is cool but not the same, Anyone know how to > do this??? > > It has been interesting learning Mobius, i never did spend much time on > the EDP, went pretty much strait from a Lexicon jamman to a Repeater to a > Looperlative, so some of the commands like substitute, insert , divide, > loop windowing etc I have no reference point for. > > Bill > > > > --047d7b2e48780ebc3804e442f3a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm not familiar with the LP1, but is the quantized re= place the same as on the LP2? =A0Tell us exactly how it works on the LP1 (w= hat you need) and we'll figure it out. I'm sure you can get the sam= e functionality in Mobius.
Sylvain


On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Philip Clevenger &= lt;phil.cleve= nger@gmail.com> wrote:
All totally doable, IMO better than for LP1.= ..

Sus included, got em all.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 18, 2013, at 5:28 PM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:

> Hey Mark , It aint just you a baby! =A0I have had plenty of over 50 br= ain fart moments, trying to remember how to use the =A0old editor librarian= to program midi note numbers on my =A0Gordius Little Giant. I hadn't p= rogrammed it in about 5 years and I had forgotten some things and actually = had never programed midi notes before, so following a tidbit that Per tosse= d out, and the midi note conversion chart that Xavier pointed out to me, I = was finally able to get it done and luckily do it on my old librarian, The = thing is, I had never upgraded the LG since I bought it, and i'm not su= re if I have a necessary hardware upgrade in place to be able to do so. I h= ave a call out to Bob Amstadt to see if he installed it in mine because I s= imply can't remember. So that has been how I spent my weekend getting a= few banks of Midi note on off information programmed on my Little Giant, s= o I do have sus commands working, in Mobius. The next step is scripts, but = I'm still wondering if quantize replace, as I know it on the Looperlati= ve is possible in Mobius or echoloop, the ability to program the the actual= beat division as a sus command, sus replace is cool but not the same, Anyo= ne know how to do this???
> It has been interesting learning Mobius, i never did spend much time o= n the EDP, went pretty much strait from a Lexicon jamman to a Repeater to a= Looperlative, so some of the =A0commands like substitute, insert , divide,= =A0loop windowing etc =A0I have no reference point for.
> Bill
>


--047d7b2e48780ebc3804e442f3a3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 19 02:15:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 879ED18355E; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 02:15:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Xdx30TE2RrHKamYqdRDc/Lk0FaMPOd3RHcT+Mg5ZgNY=; b=MDUeZhf+L6CWrYHshbn9AlVTqG2GTEV9NNOdzBuTGfxuotHdcZXo3yqZD4h9q31r5i RsdRGRjEjXTQiDN5LbNAcukYJbSZXtPIPS7r7gNVWArapEKbMGqQC/IG1iRMxx8mnBDP NX8i9TiU4D0DAi8V1Z7REnK6SjPP0o7v37B04dyhvRUvDylrldNkRUMw1c7meXhTkCA+ gYy3ntphSSf9oFE+gFqUugQ3RL+xdpCUDgAIBS2uPZQBg60sJHKf/Y2kh8rfZVPhEVe/ TBprbfIojfpQjJ3RYPFawm1lmSo9JqmCN/JbacZyHzMSPwl8h4hZIs0yLMjcAHF0Ev44 t4Ig== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.87.143 with SMTP id ay15mr10051546lab.2.1376878667817; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:17:47 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Echoplex: Digital Pro vs. Digital Pro Plus From: Matt Yeates To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2409ce4e55f04e4438b40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 02:15:56 +0000 (UTC) --001a11c2409ce4e55f04e4438b40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I couldn't wait any longer for a black Gibson DPP to surface on eBay, so I bought a white Oberheim EP for $560. What exactly am I missing out on from the most recent version released by Gibson? --001a11c2409ce4e55f04e4438b40 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I couldn't wait any longer for a black Gibson DPP to s= urface on eBay, so I bought a white Oberheim EP for $560. =A0What exactly a= m I missing out on from the most recent version released by Gibson?
--001a11c2409ce4e55f04e4438b40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 19 09:19:49 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9C1D183561; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:19:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 1037778757/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.182.87/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.182.87 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBABPjEVJV0rZX/2dsb2JhbAANTsM/gTeDGAEBAQQ4QBELGAkWDwkDAgECAUUcAatukWqQZxaDfAOdeo5c X-IPAS-Result: ApMBABPjEVJV0rZX/2dsb2JhbAANTsM/gTeDGAEBAQQ4QBELGAkWDwkDAgECAUUcAatukWqQZxaDfAOdeo5c X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,912,1367967600"; d="scan'208";a="1037778757" Message-ID: <5211E3B0.2010503@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 10:21:52 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex: Digital Pro vs. Digital Pro Plus References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:19:48 +0000 (UTC) Possibly you are missing the Loop4 software. (edp will tell you when you boot it up) Otherwise the hardware difference is that the blackface was modified to comply with EU laws. (not an improvement as such) andy Matt Yeates wrote: > I couldn't wait any longer for a black Gibson DPP to surface on eBay, so > I bought a white Oberheim EP for $560. What exactly am I missing out on > from the most recent version released by Gibson? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 19 09:45:51 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFCA518355F; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:45:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=fPAmr5G+zqUQr8D1adUAIkx8xxAKrAsvcsc0+/vsFbc=; b=OYgfUEeIrRl+UuF/4vvBFFi6Hr7PhvfQQbNpcafVEP9qu2Keg4VfgV3PEjTGgY701P N6VVpyBSYVMIYLw8iHP+0jN7A+2eNcpwJuDXM20VQS2saw8eBd/58Jb1AAkG1ayQSyyQ x6QX2EPu39YyIAkUdQEatj+iucziw1gDIELM7DBpH/kEx80afBDkY/Md9wj0L5bd9Lfo W2gnyW3GdkWR18HTL/VxHs2gkFhOI+NKxGXbeam0Z9h3x3lp1WRom2zNqvAmUiLMfXmM iepJ/Ji5Fr5zyLtDneWQBucvCdeKJZh+lacK5D4KL4FEHMvVeSdQ12J+cNf5Y1PUSpWM VbOg== X-Received: by 10.68.111.35 with SMTP id if3mr832073pbb.181.1376905660704; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 02:47:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 11:47:20 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: bzzfPSqvIbj_r1_hwtWKIvD8Vtc Message-ID: Subject: Re: Echoplex: Digital Pro vs. Digital Pro Plus To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b676928cbaffc04e449d47f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:45:51 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b676928cbaffc04e449d47f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 AFAIK... its only dependant on the software thats installed. The Pro Plus already has LoopIV installed. And had the memory slots are already full. but its is possible to put the chip into the older ones. Whether you can GET that chip now is questionable, but maybe. Welcome to the wonderful world of the EDP! Mark On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 4:17 AM, Matt Yeates wrote: > I couldn't wait any longer for a black Gibson DPP to surface on eBay, so I > bought a white Oberheim EP for $560. What exactly am I missing out on from > the most recent version released by Gibson? > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe --047d7b676928cbaffc04e449d47f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
AFAIK... its only dependant on the software thats installe= d. =A0The Pro Plus already has LoopIV installed.=A0And had the memory slots= are already full.=A0but its is possible to put the chip into the older one= s. Whether you can GET that chip now is questionable, but maybe.

Welcome to the wonderful world of the EDP!

Mark


On Mon= , Aug 19, 2013 at 4:17 AM, Matt Yeates <mbyeates@gmail.com>= wrote:
I couldn't wait any lon= ger for a black Gibson DPP to surface on eBay, so I bought a white Oberheim= EP for $560. =A0What exactly am I missing out on from the most recent vers= ion released by Gibson?



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--047d7b676928cbaffc04e449d47f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 18:25:33 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F2B218355F; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 18:25:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: Windows8 ? Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 20:27:03 +0200 Message-ID: <002301ce9e9c$0887fe20$1997fa60$@mpeters.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01CE9EAC.CC114350" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac6em/UMZvifS96pT5O5wSMv+nG+SA== Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 18:25:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01CE9EAC.CC114350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit does anyone use Windows8 in combination with Bidule? does it work or will I run into problems? -Michael ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01CE9EAC.CC114350 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Windows8 ?

does anyone use Windows8 in combination with = Bidule? = does it work or will I run into = problems? =   -Michael

------=_NextPart_000_0024_01CE9EAC.CC114350-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 18:41:01 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4646718355D; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 18:41:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=QkYLgFZzYWo62VJyngVD6lRuL+re15BmGzqiYHt6kHM=; b=1JtAV64kuWKf2r76kJ0rRYyt/ixwj0tYOreKvHdloN7v/T1KAP3VU0lgB+QOc9GD9N sU4eueIGrOkY2QiP5wM0+laHkoqCE97cSFi98D0Q6CKaq4k6EaOUqqRwOuMOt1LLZHNb Sz+asy+nPDHceNAGPHBKOqZ1UK4D2wsyqvKRhnz+avZviYMx+l1Os1E1tW1+mTr5r+b2 vtXQFfZmkfDY/b4Hkjj13cx7MwPGjWp0Qlkq42Eu0riWh1yZ4bMMM1/GCVUUqfc7fpJF s83zTeAdvqHEBO8m+3M2WoNdkx1WAcCuDgTDpQmDf91ZyzXqIMt/nQn40oc1klxfa6Yj J32A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.97.145 with SMTP id l17mr1152678vcn.35.1377110558942; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:42:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <002301ce9e9c$0887fe20$1997fa60$@mpeters.de> References: <002301ce9e9c$0887fe20$1997fa60$@mpeters.de> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 20:42:38 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Windows8 ? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 18:41:00 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Michael Peters wrote: > does anyone use Windows8 in combination with Bidule? does it work or will I > run into problems? -Michael Windows RG is really good, I hear! http://windowsreallygoodedition.com/ ... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 18:55:23 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABD2118355D; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 18:55:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=Fqq/v32RVlauOBJecCE5M4gl6eREQXSeAKEs0JqmJLE=; b=pJ/NhTchvUZpvQYYdSV6uK2uvE9Ld3WC8PCdYM+ySP7FSr2tQrjcC401HCorBIusU2 MnNmUOGPBPnRgQd5/rqiNb5m+WSvnjWlDuTiXih8nDU66ebtLKWIzcbvvsulIOcTLM5p ER1R2MQMsKSRT4AY9mB+98EPtxfCdlQM6rsNul1gzvbhTGeUOVWLZMvsGhbrnLQRfKar fGWYw8k0E0wt1b7TM3pJvjt2XY8b1SVPHjGSxTGU46Z3gqeNbQvS8Dac376tel4pAcRH s4XfGHskjP91QMZ+aZnvQKqDHE/bqGQsCu3rC6X6gpDA6ZYoJif5NKLLTpe4KWT0YvUx pIZg== X-Received: by 10.152.116.109 with SMTP id jv13mr3171191lab.30.1377111419348; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:56:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Steven Clements Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 12:56:19 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Echoplex: Digital Pro vs. Digital Pro Plus To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3675ef76dbb04e479bc7a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 18:55:22 +0000 (UTC) --001a11c3675ef76dbb04e479bc7a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 ....and of course you know... http://www.aurisis.com/loopiv.htm I put the new software in mine a few months ago... ordered from the website oh yes I did :) * Steven*** On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 3:47 AM, mark francombe wrote: > AFAIK... its only dependant on the software thats installed. The Pro Plus > already has LoopIV installed. And had the memory slots are already > full. but its is possible to put the chip into the older ones. Whether you > can GET that chip now is questionable, but maybe. > > Welcome to the wonderful world of the EDP! > > Mark > > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 4:17 AM, Matt Yeates wrote: > >> I couldn't wait any longer for a black Gibson DPP to surface on eBay, so >> I bought a white Oberheim EP for $560. What exactly am I missing out on >> from the most recent version released by Gibson? >> > > > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > --001a11c3675ef76dbb04e479bc7a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
....and of course you know...
http://www.aurisis.co= m/loopiv.htm

I put the new software in mine a few months a= go... ordered from the website


oh yes I did
:)


3D""
Steven


On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 3:47 AM, mark fr= ancombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
AFAIK... its only dependant on the software thats installe= d. =C2=A0The Pro Plus already has LoopIV installed.=C2=A0And had the memory= slots are already full.=C2=A0but its is possible to put the chip into the = older ones. Whether you can GET that chip now is questionable, but maybe.
Welcome to the wonderful world of the EDP!

Mark


O= n Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 4:17 AM, Matt Yeates <mbyeates@gmail.com>= wrote:
I couldn= 't wait any longer for a black Gibson DPP to surface on eBay, so I boug= ht a white Oberheim EP for $560. =C2=A0What exactly am I missing out on fro= m the most recent version released by Gibson?



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--001a11c3675ef76dbb04e479bc7a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 21:30:38 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CEAC18355E; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 21:30:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=6opa9kHkicP5MQ+WVg9dKrQ84Q/i663XokG5nywUTtc=; b=eV+ZIH9cCHqSA34sga24xSaig3Le0+jcP68DPzfnUmjbZ+/Vx40Q2WIruomth1P2XH GWMT0Bs92sJ8Rnp0dMGmywjQ9PXn8tp78gwT5VNeZIOsjDsFHAFTyuzLn6UZct/tIbd6 U8LK/VJovBWKwfBeOKQhd2OpB2K+/ILxe/Qo06mprB02vKwhlE54pme4reRwE0qhULoa MIkLuq4ml8/djtMJZtYQRzG1JxIVxHjMHIgzaXmcRcgH4mAZJ+GYC27XH+lDK90NxITX D6ReTQvlGbSY1wroHM8P5M2Wst5cYQh+r13Otbz+YNc2nLhwJC5JAAsKtT1AIYLKno0p xFsg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.0.238 with SMTP id 14mr6608720vdh.3.1377120735401; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 14:32:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <002301ce9e9c$0887fe20$1997fa60$@mpeters.de> References: <002301ce9e9c$0887fe20$1997fa60$@mpeters.de> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 14:32:15 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Windows8 ? From: "kay'lon rushing" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6dcd083f1e6404e47be8f1 Resent-Message-ID: <8RbzEB.A._hH.9FTFSB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 21:30:37 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b6dcd083f1e6404e47be8f1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I started to. I just havent been at it for a while. I have had a few issues with it but it may be related to FL Studio, which is what i use bidule to host. On Aug 21, 2013 11:27 AM, "Michael Peters" wrote: > ** > > does anyone use Windows8 in combination with Bidule? does it work or will > I run into problems? -Michael > > --047d7b6dcd083f1e6404e47be8f1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I started to. I just havent been at it for a while. I have had a few iss= ues with it but it may be related to FL Studio, which is what i use bidule = to host.

On Aug 21, 2013 11:27 AM, "Michael Peters&q= uot; <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:

does anyone use Windows8 in combination with Bidule?= does = it work or will I run into problems?= =A0 -Michael

--047d7b6dcd083f1e6404e47be8f1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 10:11:00 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A831318355C; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 10:11:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=2E6AYukyoDNVZGE/pB3/LjdsJmcK3kfdaK3tPao6Lao=; b=QHMh+3Rg5fyss8xAeZXK5zz/8JxszK8MFCxnjbdSF7Q+MINBJWPOwsNMDD28QcF4HP Bj7ECIUZToaZuGUcCc3pF+eB+NlnbUndihKOAIsuNZ5CnCG2DLKWpIvcQ6HjAf9CXRe/ EypznBUXKMOEmh+cZ+n/DA6dXDf1tM3fHzjAJAT4KxgYrFlmv+dqExlV0Dhre+h8EANw T0ICVYss88hIjjLnqn6kGGqvQmeXu8GKM9TSOX/MbVaX31KpvfUC/fRMz/xT3Lg7n6aO HmXOQwsYMb3/lQQjK6HpfSiahPnrvgKoYRgpQSv/10Ptj/8xaWhFL8RLrqMC8HnPhQFX ZPDA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.152.3 with SMTP id uu3mr10793123veb.16.1377166355837; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 03:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 06:12:35 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Electronic Musician subscription From: r williford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b86f5326fcced04e486870d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 10:11:00 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b86f5326fcced04e486870d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just renewed another subscription to EM but I went digital this time. They just sent me a link to a web page. So I thought I would share it. http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/newbay/elm_201309/ I bet many of you have had subscriptions to this before, If not here you can try before you buy. Notice the last part of the address is the year and month. You can change that part of the address and see other issues. If you really like it you should support it. Happy Loopin --047d7b86f5326fcced04e486870d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just renewed another subscription to EM but I went digit= al this time.=A0
They just sent me a link to a web page. So I thought I= would share it.=A0
I bet many of you have had subscriptions to this before, If not = here you can try before you buy. Notice the last part of the address is the= year and month. You can change that part of the address and see other issu= es. If you really like it you should support it.
Happy Loopin


--047d7b86f5326fcced04e486870d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 01:17:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 228E418355E; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 01:17:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5216B87C.40703@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:18:52 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Best high quality,super compact mixer? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 01:17:13 +0000 (UTC) I've always trusted Mackie VLZ pro mixers and have owned three of them but my beloved Mackie 1402 VLZ2 mixer is finally ready for the dustbin. I've also begun to notice that there are a bunch of new highly compact and lightweight multiple pre-amp mixers on the market now. What do you use and how satisfied are you with it's use? I have to say, in advance, that Berhinger reverse engineered Mackies and have put out similar products very inexpensively for many years. Where they saved money, however , was not on the looks or features but on the pre-amps themselves. Berhingers, from my experience are considerably noisier than the Mackie's they copy, so really high quality pre-amps are very important to me. Ideally, I'd love to have 6 pre-amps in a board I purchase. Light weight, high quality and small footprint are the highest of my priorities. Your respective thoughts? thanks, in advance Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 01:26:12 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 674B118355E; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 01:26:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5216BA97.9010003@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:27:51 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: KILL SWITCH/electric guitar recommendations? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1MuQJB.A.4JE.zorFSB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 01:26:11 +0000 (UTC) I had a URL for a KILL SWITCH for a custom tenor guitar I"m having made, but it no longer is extant. These came highly recommended and I wondered if anyone has any experience with them. http://www.shadow-electronics.com/viewart.html?id=309&search=1 But I've also heard that video game switches can be faster to manipulate than typical guitar styled 'kill switches'. The standard toggle switch on a guitar is not really fast enough for very quick 'slicing and dicing' techniques, so I wondered, what's the poop on KILL SWITCHES? Anyone know what Torn uses, out of curiosity? Thanks, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 01:30:53 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCB2318355E; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 01:30:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=WJoYz+9cGSRraIbWuF0R+fhTF48Vck+e0Reb7LOfDXY=; b=aov4QWtqKAZUUievA7yndutwrLnVAiNbaJljbrq2s+ogE0oRhWrV1NtaVHSrgU2Lk7 EAPZEcq/aw3SxDuYWY597IkAD8GTV8bUzQemNeJVFHNEdduvRiXr4JfYv8mQSJq0qR2e gaUnYv+/BHre5af/mjVlwow9v2YofKQZe0vwgQoBV+asDrZLrZHhQ9O/30iHyilpKym/ es7DVmaph38TjLDntVtiePbk40eZC75TlzI/3jyDv/R+BE3Imi24KXNTs9Inq8i/gFU0 YvsK2c5BhJQSl9Orjx5VRwm0PyE7P0rnMbbCnO6WEcXu+qABZkM7q/CoStulf4HFjytO At8Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.8.72 with SMTP id g8mr20872783qag.18.1377221543806; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:32:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5216BA97.9010003@cruzio.com> References: <5216BA97.9010003@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:32:23 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: KILL SWITCH/electric guitar recommendations? From: Todd Elliott To: "loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2478ee54bb804e49360f5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 01:30:51 +0000 (UTC) --001a11c2478ee54bb804e49360f5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curiosity compels me to ask who's making your guitar? I got an Eastwood Tenor, and I like it, sort of, but the pickup is irritatingly hot. T On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > I had a URL for a KILL SWITCH for a custom tenor guitar > I"m having made, but it no longer is extant. > > These came highly recommended and I wondered if anyone has any experience > with them. > http://www.shadow-electronics.**com/viewart.html?id=309&**search=1 > > But I've also heard that video game switches can be faster to manipulate > than > typical guitar styled 'kill switches'. > > The standard toggle switch on a guitar is not really fast enough for very > quick 'slicing and dicing' techniques, so I wondered, what's the poop > on KILL SWITCHES? > > Anyone know what Torn uses, out of curiosity? > > Thanks, > > Rick Walker > > -- http://toaster.bandcamp.com --001a11c2478ee54bb804e49360f5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Curiosity compels me to ask who's making your guitar? = I got an Eastwood Tenor, and I like it, sort of, but the pickup is irritati= ngly hot.

T
=

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Rick Walker= <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
I had a URL for a =A0KILL SWITCH for a custom tenor guitar
I"m having made, but it no longer is extant.

These came highly recommended and I wondered if anyone has any experience w= ith them.
http://www.shadow-electronics.com/viewart.= html?id=3D309&search=3D1

But I've also heard that video game switches can be faster to manipulat= e than
typical guitar styled 'kill switches'.

The standard toggle switch on a guitar is not really fast enough for very quick 'slicing and dicing' techniques, =A0so I wondered, =A0what= 9;s the poop
on KILL SWITCHES?

Anyone know what Torn uses, =A0 out of curiosity?

Thanks,

Rick Walker




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--001a11c2478ee54bb804e49360f5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 01:39:06 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D93818355F; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 01:39:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5216BD99.1090206@pacifier.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:40:41 -0700 From: David Messenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: Rick Walker Subject: Re: Best high quality,super compact mixer? References: <5216B87C.40703@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <5216B87C.40703@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 01:39:05 +0000 (UTC) I prefer the sound of the 90's - 00's era Studiomaster stuff. I have 4 small Studiomasters now as I don't have room for the Allen & Heath cmc24. I submix 3 down to 1 for room monitoring and then drop tracks 1 to 4 at a time into the box with a furman patchbay between what ever I'm recording and the room mix.. D. On 8/22/2013 6:18 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > I've always trusted Mackie VLZ pro mixers > and have owned three of them but my beloved > Mackie 1402 VLZ2 mixer is finally ready for the dustbin. > > I've also begun to notice that there are a bunch of new > highly compact and lightweight multiple pre-amp mixers > on the market now. > > What do you use and how satisfied are you with it's use? > > I have to say, in advance, that Berhinger reverse engineered > Mackies and have put out similar products very inexpensively > for many years. Where they saved money, however , was not > on the looks or features but on the pre-amps themselves. > > Berhingers, from my experience are considerably noisier than > the Mackie's they copy, so really high quality pre-amps are very > important > to me. t > > Ideally, I'd love to have 6 pre-amps in a board I purchase. > > Light weight, high quality and small footprint are the highest of my > priorities. > > Your respective thoughts? > > thanks, in advance > > Rick Walker > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 01:50:16 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9B6D183559; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 01:50:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=4h8ScVfXTPr7pTe9tAllBro1Mh7Fi9S5RBgqKdC3ufk=; b=XlqX8wPXytCCzf2mxAz45U6x/wV1QzzT5L7KUGVxPl2gRlyKe4QUkv+WUuKFSfDkEU aRWBzAmIx3LXdGwPb4Esj5Kj4RiubDPJAEzCW7qQM43afgSRIqbWkz+GG+elRlZr6x2e Wd+IgfM93soDunLfzpYHdUAeFSmL+rAXMHekPVgCfv66MLNylTNhUq95JIt+jtXB4NPm VmVPeEFBpEyUY1wHIrn/JknnXnz3HSsmWRYIZsHiv5t41leBX1r8ixLXDhyjZIwU6UNF d1GyrMbSSBqYw4B/ryECEEhUcVf48DxFz1ELBCQhukKTjY92b6AjNORQzFtMzd3Kgv5L aoIQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkRK3d6Zic31r8Q4X3j8umXnABV/Ylmx2vVtUVuHgigkZNNjtbnJMFaFJINucN6DpqgRzhN MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.120.37 with SMTP id kz5mr13029720lab.21.1377222706572; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:51:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5216BD99.1090206@pacifier.com> References: <5216B87C.40703@cruzio.com> <5216BD99.1090206@pacifier.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:51:46 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Best high quality,super compact mixer? From: Richard Sales To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0122814833cddb04e493a667 Resent-Message-ID: <1IjFJD.A.rmE.X_rFSB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 01:50:15 +0000 (UTC) --089e0122814833cddb04e493a667 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey Rick Wild idea - Don't know if this is even possible but a cool idea would be to send your broken Mackie to the guy, I think his name is Jim Williams, at Audio Upgrades. IF HE WORKS ON MACKIES, he could turn it into a very high end, tank built little mixer. I think the url is www.audioupgrades.com. This way you'd be towing the 'sustainable' line AND getting a serious mixer out of the deal. I've been surprised at how reasonable some of his upgrades are. R On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 6:40 PM, David Messenger wrote: > I prefer the sound of the 90's - 00's era Studiomaster stuff. I have 4 > small Studiomasters now as I don't have room for the Allen & Heath cmc24. I > submix 3 down to 1 for room monitoring and then drop tracks 1 to 4 at a > time into the box with a furman patchbay between what ever I'm recording > and the room mix.. > > D. > > > On 8/22/2013 6:18 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > >> I've always trusted Mackie VLZ pro mixers >> and have owned three of them but my beloved >> Mackie 1402 VLZ2 mixer is finally ready for the dustbin. >> >> I've also begun to notice that there are a bunch of new >> highly compact and lightweight multiple pre-amp mixers >> on the market now. >> >> What do you use and how satisfied are you with it's use? >> >> I have to say, in advance, that Berhinger reverse engineered >> Mackies and have put out similar products very inexpensively >> for many years. Where they saved money, however , was not >> on the looks or features but on the pre-amps themselves. >> >> Berhingers, from my experience are considerably noisier than >> the Mackie's they copy, so really high quality pre-amps are very >> important >> to me. t >> >> Ideally, I'd love to have 6 pre-amps in a board I purchase. >> >> Light weight, high quality and small footprint are the highest of my >> priorities. >> >> Your respective thoughts? >> >> thanks, in advance >> >> Rick Walker >> >> >> > -- richard sales www.glasswing.com --089e0122814833cddb04e493a667 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Rick

Wild idea - Don't know if this is even possible but a= cool idea would be to send your broken Mackie to the guy, I think his name= is Jim Williams, at Audio Upgrades. =A0IF HE WORKS ON MACKIES, he could tu= rn it into a very high end, tank built little mixer. =A0I think the url is =
www.audioupgrades.com.=A0

This way you&#= 39;d be towing the 'sustainable' line AND getting a serious mixer o= ut of the deal.

I've been surprised at how reasonable some of his upgrade= s are. =A0

R
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 6:40 PM, David Messeng= er <mssngr1@pacifier.com> wrote:
I prefer the sound of the 90's - 00'= s era Studiomaster stuff. I have 4 small Studiomasters now as I don't h= ave room for the Allen & Heath cmc24. I submix 3 down to 1 for room mon= itoring and then drop tracks 1 to 4 at a time into the box with a furman pa= tchbay between what ever I'm recording and the room mix..

D.


On 8/22/2013 6:18 PM, Rick Walker wrote:
I've always trusted Mackie VLZ pro mixers
and have owned three of them but my beloved
Mackie 1402 VLZ2 mixer is finally ready for the dustbin.

I've also begun to notice that there are a bunch of new
highly compact and lightweight multiple pre-amp mixers
on the market now.

What do you use and how satisfied are you with it's use?

I have to say, in advance, =A0that Berhinger reverse engineered
Mackies and have put out similar products very inexpensively
for many years. =A0 =A0Where they saved money, however , was not
on the looks or features but on the pre-amps themselves.

Berhingers, from my experience are considerably noisier than
the Mackie's they copy, =A0so really high quality pre-amps are very imp= ortant
to me. t

Ideally, I'd love to have 6 pre-amps in a board I purchase.

Light weight, =A0high quality and small footprint are the highest of my pri= orities.

Your respective thoughts?

thanks, in advance

Rick Walker






--
richard sale= s
www.glasswing.com


--089e0122814833cddb04e493a667-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 02:39:10 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CDCD18355D; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 02:39:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 392 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at arsenic; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 02:39:07 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ImVdA6EJwIgch27Fhu8AiZ0HIaheY8g1Jn3mjo0BbQjFe37NkoZWNV7yjhjMhOxg; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5216BA97.9010003@cruzio.com> References: <5216BA97.9010003@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 22:33:30 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: KILL SWITCH/electric guitar recommendations? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec798e69603aa9bb263f37a7a18ce65f15e6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.93 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 02:39:09 +0000 (UTC) The Kill switch on David Torn's Teufel guitar was a very short travel membrane switch, similar to the switches under the buttons of a multieffect processor. It has a very fast tactile response. At 6:27 PM -0700 8/22/13, Rick Walker wrote: >I had a URL for a KILL SWITCH for a custom tenor guitar >I"m having made, but it no longer is extant. > >These came highly recommended and I wondered if anyone has any >experience with them. >http://www.shadow-electronics.com/viewart.html?id=309&search=1 > >But I've also heard that video game switches can be faster to manipulate than >typical guitar styled 'kill switches'. > >The standard toggle switch on a guitar is not really fast enough for very >quick 'slicing and dicing' techniques, so I wondered, what's the poop >on KILL SWITCHES? > >Anyone know what Torn uses, out of curiosity? > >Thanks, > >Rick Walker -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 05:48:30 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 446E018355E; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 05:48:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=Nm1xtKc4OVmm842BavG4BPhb9nUyW70/rNcijI2ucDU=; b=gS95OLrECnxmEy7mgvE2amIR4v7hpsHgfZt+0sKcEK2lndkHxI5f48ettIXGQQKXx7 CzFnVBmEGRljh9cRv9SlkzpM1PkWeqFJebTtFtpqMY9oCzJUsMs3fraTHGaHN893+pgT +aoT8EhDjg5d2lAiu40epZdkQ0zOGH0UT8yJju5lH9yTVieNzSPPE9wHgrHyACQg43ol glULcO/T5gYmyqbqYrvGvIDxl8THz5YQqRwE/4SijjOAtjVsuamst/x4YOAtMm/hGwOp u44MVcbiMj1zZ1dmPmFjvunbNbtTeIv0GHgS2G/vRaWyhkcX4R1ZVSbn8V/7C1DcYy2j tykw== X-Received: by 10.68.171.165 with SMTP id av5mr17327630pbc.18.1377237000326; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 22:50:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <5216BA97.9010003@cruzio.com> From: mark francombe Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 07:49:40 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: CKkQKwnNx3PjeuH-9imVqFRV0Zg Message-ID: Subject: Re: KILL SWITCH/electric guitar recommendations? To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b86f77e2d16ce04e496fa35 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 05:48:30 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b86f77e2d16ce04e496fa35 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I dont know what you are asking really Rick! No one BUYS a killswitch.. theres no special kill switches out there (the link you sent looked like it was meant for something else, I cant imagine whacking down on a pot is either A) very efficient B) good for the pot. Just buy any momentary switch, choose the one that looks good to you, as you say an old couple a video game switches would look GREAT, I think that in reality they are also in need of a hefty old THWACK I would go for the lightest touch you can find, quite large too. Unfortunately (as I have discovered when making mine) the bigger they are the further that they intrude into the guitar. You need a low, flush switch. As for the circuit, theres 2. Dependant on whether its a "Normally ON" switch, or a "Normally OFF" switch http://alexplorer.net/guitar/mods/killswitch.html Thus... anyway, YOU of all people know this, your Walker Glitch pedal is a bunch of killswitches right? So, what was the question again? On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 4:33 AM, Charles Zwicky wrote: > The Kill switch on David Torn's Teufel guitar was a very short travel > membrane switch, similar to the switches under the buttons of a multieffect > processor. It has a very fast tactile response. > > > At 6:27 PM -0700 8/22/13, Rick Walker wrote: > >> I had a URL for a KILL SWITCH for a custom tenor guitar >> I"m having made, but it no longer is extant. >> >> These came highly recommended and I wondered if anyone has any experience >> with them. >> http://www.shadow-electronics.**com/viewart.html?id=309&**search=1 >> >> But I've also heard that video game switches can be faster to manipulate >> than >> typical guitar styled 'kill switches'. >> >> The standard toggle switch on a guitar is not really fast enough for very >> quick 'slicing and dicing' techniques, so I wondered, what's the poop >> on KILL SWITCHES? >> >> Anyone know what Torn uses, out of curiosity? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Rick Walker >> > > > -- > > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > http://albumcredits.com/zmix > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe --047d7b86f77e2d16ce04e496fa35 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I dont know what you are asking really Rick!

No one BUYS a killswitch.. theres no special kill switches out there = (the link you sent looked like it was meant for something else, I cant imag= ine whacking down on a pot is either A) very efficient B) good for the pot.=

Just buy any momentary switch, choose the one that looks good to you, a= s you say an old couple a video game switches would look GREAT, I think tha= t in reality they are also in need of a hefty old THWACK I would go for the= lightest touch you can find, quite large too. Unfortunately (as I have dis= covered when making mine) the bigger they are the further that they intrude= into the guitar. You need a low, flush switch.

As for the circuit, theres 2.=A0
Dependant on whether its a &= quot;Normally ON" switch, or a "Normally OFF" switch
Thus...
anyway, YOU of all people know this, your = Walker Glitch pedal is a bunch of killswitches right?

So, what was t= he question again?






On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 4:33 AM, Charles Zwicky = <cazwicky@ea= rthlink.net> wrote:
The Kill switch on David Torn's Teufel g= uitar was a very short travel membrane switch, similar to the switches unde= r the buttons of a multieffect processor. =A0It has a very fast tactile res= ponse.


At 6:27 PM -0700 8/22/13, Rick Walker wrote:
I had a URL for a =A0KILL SWITCH for a custom tenor guitar
I"m having made, but it no longer is extant.

These came highly recommended and I wondered if anyone has any experience w= ith them.
http://www.shadow-electronics.com/viewart.= html?id=3D309&search=3D1

But I've also heard that video game switches can be faster to manipulat= e than
typical guitar styled 'kill switches'.

The standard toggle switch on a guitar is not really fast enough for very quick 'slicing and dicing' techniques, =A0so I wondered, =A0what= 9;s the poop
on KILL SWITCHES?

Anyone know what Torn uses, =A0 out of curiosity?

Thanks,

Rick Walker


--

...
http://www.zmix.net
http://albumcred= its.com/zmix




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--047d7b86f77e2d16ce04e496fa35-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 07:24:15 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5DF318355A; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 07:24:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=oueZ1+mYCn+cx+fegGKBTpwUwbjHEz5vjGR7nN08O/k=; b=R51Syc/+jd9fhryhetVirZm+Oo1qdo0xAKGcpFmhYT9OuttPqsstCJu+Z/+H8hkWO2 4wQv8A5yuzJZl/A3dREB/qslXBzwDdrxsrYtnwy5kDgjpuR4KTUs4leDXbKim41Atm1u bbw80wmnE3x6Jnngy4PqIbysWDcgf93P/+K/L+9YMze7tzhvZy6EK0YqpuOrfps/omhb pmGsrQrwlmJnyNXRTAvh7s141hN/W2vBCJGmabyZn7u+qgvFOZ+S/PUE5IWWUGC8W4D+ TQGvpcr5v+uNJFKwal7qO+Q/8O43dDtxwe+KTPJWS3D7cqHjG17R8BZJY4JKZTyMhfUS LsNw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.235.69 with SMTP id uk5mr15268650vec.17.1377242744737; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 00:25:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5216BA97.9010003@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 09:25:44 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: KILL SWITCH/electric guitar recommendations? From: Per Boysen To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd6c2c491d59204e49850fb Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 07:24:14 +0000 (UTC) --047d7bd6c2c491d59204e49850fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I'm doing it by the opposite direction using a LIVE SWITCH! A foot cotrolled momentary pad that lets sound through while pressed down but is "killing" when not touched. I can also deactivate the Live Switch so I won't have to constantly step on it (for "normal rig functionality"). My prefered signal chain level for the switch is after distortion and filtering units but before reverb and delay lines. Den fredagen den 23:e augusti 2013 skrev mark francombe: > I dont know what you are asking really Rick! > > No one BUYS a killswitch.. theres no special kill switches out there (the > link you sent looked like it was meant for something else, I cant imagine > whacking down on a pot is either A) very efficient B) good for the pot. > > Just buy any momentary switch, choose the one that looks good to you, as > you say an old couple a video game switches would look GREAT, I think that > in reality they are also in need of a hefty old THWACK I would go for the > lightest touch you can find, quite large too. Unfortunately (as I have > discovered when making mine) the bigger they are the further that they > intrude into the guitar. You need a low, flush switch. > > As for the circuit, theres 2. > Dependant on whether its a "Normally ON" switch, or a "Normally OFF" switch > http://alexplorer.net/guitar/mods/killswitch.html > Thus... > anyway, YOU of all people know this, your Walker Glitch pedal is a bunch > of killswitches right? > > So, what was the question again? > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 4:33 AM, Charles Zwicky > > wrote: > >> The Kill switch on David Torn's Teufel guitar was a very short travel >> membrane switch, similar to the switches under the buttons of a multieffect >> processor. It has a very fast tactile response. >> >> >> At 6:27 PM -0700 8/22/13, Rick Walker wrote: >> >>> I had a URL for a KILL SWITCH for a custom tenor guitar >>> I"m having made, but it no longer is extant. >>> >>> These came highly recommended and I wondered if anyone has any >>> experience with them. >>> http://www.shadow-electronics.**com/viewart.html?id=309&**search=1 >>> >>> But I've also heard that video game switches can be faster to manipulate >>> than >>> typical guitar styled 'kill switches'. >>> >>> The standard toggle switch on a guitar is not really fast enough for very >>> quick 'slicing and dicing' techniques, so I wondered, what's the poop >>> on KILL SWITCHES? >>> >>> Anyone know what Torn uses, out of curiosity? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Rick Walker >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> ... >> http://www.zmix.net >> >> http://albumcredits.com/zmix >> >> > > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > -- ... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen --047d7bd6c2c491d59204e49850fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm doing it by the opposite direction=C2=A0using=C2=A0a LIVE SWITCH! A= foot cotrolled momentary pad that lets sound through while pressed down bu= t is=C2=A0"killing" when not touched. I can also deactivate the L= ive Switch so I won't have to constantly=C2=A0step on it (for "nor= mal rig functionality"). My prefered signal chain level f= or the switch is after distortion and filtering units but before reverb and= delay lines.

Den fredagen den 23:e augusti 2013 skrev mark francombe:
I dont know what you are asking really= Rick!

No one BUYS a killswitch.. theres no special kill switches o= ut there (the link you sent looked like it was meant for something else, I = cant imagine whacking down on a pot is either A) very efficient B) good for= the pot.

Just buy any momentary switch, choose the one that looks good to you, a= s you say an old couple a video game switches would look GREAT, I think tha= t in reality they are also in need of a hefty old THWACK I would go for the= lightest touch you can find, quite large too. Unfortunately (as I have dis= covered when making mine) the bigger they are the further that they intrude= into the guitar. You need a low, flush switch.

As for the circuit, theres 2.=C2=A0
Dependant on whether its = a "Normally ON" switch, or a "Normally OFF" switch
Thus...
anyway, YOU of all people know this, your = Walker Glitch pedal is a bunch of killswitches right?

So, what was t= he question again?






On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 4:33 AM, Charles Zwicky = <cazwicky@earthlink.net> wrote:
The Kill switch on David Torn's Teufel g= uitar was a very short travel membrane switch, similar to the switches unde= r the buttons of a multieffect processor. =C2=A0It has a very fast tactile = response.


At 6:27 PM -0700 8/22/13, Rick Walker wrote:
I had a URL for a =C2=A0KILL SWITCH for a custom tenor guitar
I"m having made, but it no longer is extant.

These came highly recommended and I wondered if anyone has any experience w= ith them.
http://www.shadow-electronics.com/viewart.= html?id=3D309&search=3D1

But I've also heard that video game switches can be faster to manipulat= e than
typical guitar styled 'kill switches'.

The standard toggle switch on a guitar is not really fast enough for very quick 'slicing and dicing' techniques, =C2=A0so I wondered, =C2=A0w= hat's the poop
on KILL SWITCHES?

Anyone know what Torn uses, =C2=A0 out of curiosity?

Thanks,

Rick Walker


--

...
http://www.zmix.net
http://albumcred= its.com/zmix




--


--
...
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen<= br>www.perboysen.com=
http= ://www.youtube.com/perboysen
--047d7bd6c2c491d59204e49850fb-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 07:45:33 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2ED5C18355C; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 07:45:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=uY8nhLi5SEbHCDmzb4sW5SSN7N/48kieOJhFtaWrFks=; b=Ze77MzYOl3LbMPDEBwbqHeI1iKJvBEPR8Nh8qAyEZHG69sFnkiFVE0aa7nx+zEOtD4 HX/Fbi4aJRm/xtM0cuFiba7FVt/W1rFzs3qcaA5L3osKe2tQObwLqdhjDlNxtGWsP1uB 7uiS5nevY3RJl77Kvfj2rv1hVbtr0uclASIuhLmlUwgnR+iSr7QoonCeP3k594ckNMSw 9CN9TmU92iUNqo7DAwoENzj7mWlYGi50g81ljNuwA2HK9EY2EpJc71K/ooy+lrn708ab pbmQhFdoyUD63DJbMpdEGDOzOjFcW/2OLaHXFVTm++gF+3+XhFfmRxm99RnRBgmQrlig hQ2w== X-Received: by 10.68.225.232 with SMTP id rn8mr17430119pbc.32.1377244022423; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 00:47:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <5216BA97.9010003@cruzio.com> From: mark francombe Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 09:46:42 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: tHBS4cFGV24WsuKGA5WT3iy8RL4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: KILL SWITCH/electric guitar recommendations? To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b2ee283b9c4ee04e4989ca8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 07:45:32 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b2ee283b9c4ee04e4989ca8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I should mention that MY kill switch is not based on these diagrams either ha ha. Infact, Im not sure that I like the idea of "push to kill" anyhow! It seems against the way that we "play" instruments. We tend to want to PUSH a thing to make a noise, not release a thing! If we take the Tom Morello technique as ground zero, then you will see that he still uses a SWITCH.. not a button. of the demos I have seen of people trying to do that effect with a monetary button, they cant do it right (if they are after that effect, which I guess they are). Personally I use a switch (Is is called 2 pole or 2 gang?) that switches from the pickups to a spare jack socket (an INput) So I can velcro things to my guitar (in my case Ive collected all the Buddah boxes, they are light and plastic and stay on with Velcro) and can switch between guitar and noise. OR I turn off the Buddah box for Kill Switching, or I can not play the guitar for Buddah box kill switching... I have a silver small flight case full of small device, like Walkmans, radios that I can insert into this jack. I first saw THIS technique doen by my favorite Japanese Punk Band "Melt Banana"!! Before I had even heard of Tome Morrello actually, although was aware of his Rage against the machine band, but had found it not to my particular flavour of Tea. Mark On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > I'm doing it by the opposite direction using a LIVE SWITCH! A foot > cotrolled momentary pad that lets sound through while pressed down but > is "killing" when not touched. I can also deactivate the Live Switch so I > won't have to constantly step on it (for "normal rig functionality"). My > prefered signal chain level for the switch is after distortion and > filtering units but before reverb and delay lines. > > Den fredagen den 23:e augusti 2013 skrev mark francombe: > > I dont know what you are asking really Rick! >> >> No one BUYS a killswitch.. theres no special kill switches out there (the >> link you sent looked like it was meant for something else, I cant imagine >> whacking down on a pot is either A) very efficient B) good for the pot. >> >> Just buy any momentary switch, choose the one that looks good to you, as >> you say an old couple a video game switches would look GREAT, I think that >> in reality they are also in need of a hefty old THWACK I would go for the >> lightest touch you can find, quite large too. Unfortunately (as I have >> discovered when making mine) the bigger they are the further that they >> intrude into the guitar. You need a low, flush switch. >> >> As for the circuit, theres 2. >> Dependant on whether its a "Normally ON" switch, or a "Normally OFF" >> switch >> http://alexplorer.net/guitar/mods/killswitch.html >> Thus... >> anyway, YOU of all people know this, your Walker Glitch pedal is a bunch >> of killswitches right? >> >> So, what was the question again? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 4:33 AM, Charles Zwicky wrote: >> >>> The Kill switch on David Torn's Teufel guitar was a very short travel >>> membrane switch, similar to the switches under the buttons of a multieffect >>> processor. It has a very fast tactile response. >>> >>> >>> At 6:27 PM -0700 8/22/13, Rick Walker wrote: >>> >>>> I had a URL for a KILL SWITCH for a custom tenor guitar >>>> I"m having made, but it no longer is extant. >>>> >>>> These came highly recommended and I wondered if anyone has any >>>> experience with them. >>>> http://www.shadow-electronics.**com/viewart.html?id=309&**search=1 >>>> >>>> But I've also heard that video game switches can be faster to >>>> manipulate than >>>> typical guitar styled 'kill switches'. >>>> >>>> The standard toggle switch on a guitar is not really fast enough for >>>> very >>>> quick 'slicing and dicing' techniques, so I wondered, what's the poop >>>> on KILL SWITCHES? >>>> >>>> Anyone know what Torn uses, out of curiosity? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Rick Walker >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> ... >>> http://www.zmix.net >>> >>> http://albumcredits.com/zmix >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Mark Francombe* >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no >> twitter @markfrancombe >> > > > -- > ... > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe --047d7b2ee283b9c4ee04e4989ca8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I should mention that MY kill switch is not based on these= diagrams either ha ha. Infact, Im not sure that I like the idea of "p= ush to kill" anyhow! It seems against the way that we "play"= instruments. We tend to want to PUSH a thing to make a noise, not release = a thing!

If we take the Tom Morello technique as ground zero, then you will see = that he still uses a SWITCH.. not a button. of the demos I have seen of peo= ple trying to do that effect with a monetary button, they cant do it right = (if they are after that effect, which I guess they are).

Personally I use a switch (Is is called 2 pole or 2 gang?) t= hat switches from the pickups to a spare jack socket (an INput) So I can ve= lcro things to my guitar (in my case Ive collected all the Buddah boxes, th= ey are light and plastic and stay on with Velcro) and can switch between gu= itar and noise. OR I turn off the Buddah box for Kill Switching, or I can n= ot play the guitar for Buddah box kill switching... I have a silver small f= light case full of small device, like Walkmans, radios that I can insert in= to this jack.

I first saw THIS technique doen by my favorite Japanese Punk Band "= ;Melt Banana"!! Before I had even heard of Tome Morrello actually, alt= hough was aware of his Rage against the machine band, but had found it not = to my particular flavour of Tea.

Mark


On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
I'm doing it by the opposite direction= =A0using=A0a LIVE SWITCH! A foot cotrolled momentary pad that lets sound th= rough while pressed down but is=A0"killing" when not touched. I c= an also deactivate the Live Switch so I won't have to constantly=A0step= on it (for "normal rig functionality"). My prefered= signal chain level for the switch is after distortion and filtering units = but before reverb and delay lines.

Den fredagen den 23:e augusti 2013 skrev mark francombe:

I dont know what you are asking really Rick!

No one BUYS a killswitch.. theres no special kill switches o= ut there (the link you sent looked like it was meant for something else, I = cant imagine whacking down on a pot is either A) very efficient B) good for= the pot.

Just buy any momentary switch, choose the one that looks good to you, a= s you say an old couple a video game switches would look GREAT, I think tha= t in reality they are also in need of a hefty old THWACK I would go for the= lightest touch you can find, quite large too. Unfortunately (as I have dis= covered when making mine) the bigger they are the further that they intrude= into the guitar. You need a low, flush switch.

As for the circuit, theres 2.=A0
Dependant on whether its a &= quot;Normally ON" switch, or a "Normally OFF" switch
Thus...
anyway, YOU of all people know this, your = Walker Glitch pedal is a bunch of killswitches right?

So, what was t= he question again?






On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 4:33 AM, Charles Zwicky = <cazwicky@earthlink.net> wrote:
The Kill switch on David Torn's Teufel g= uitar was a very short travel membrane switch, similar to the switches unde= r the buttons of a multieffect processor. =A0It has a very fast tactile res= ponse.


At 6:27 PM -0700 8/22/13, Rick Walker wrote:
I had a URL for a =A0KILL SWITCH for a custom tenor guitar
I"m having made, but it no longer is extant.

These came highly recommended and I wondered if anyone has any experience w= ith them.
http://www.shadow-electronics.com/viewart.= html?id=3D309&search=3D1

But I've also heard that video game switches can be faster to manipulat= e than
typical guitar styled 'kill switches'.

The standard toggle switch on a guitar is not really fast enough for very quick 'slicing and dicing' techniques, =A0so I wondered, =A0what= 9;s the poop
on KILL SWITCHES?

Anyone know what Torn uses, =A0 out of curiosity?

Thanks,

Rick Walker


--

...
http://www.zmix.net
http://albumcred= its.com/zmix




--


--
...
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.= com/perboysen



--
--047d7b2ee283b9c4ee04e4989ca8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 10:21:47 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37B3018355A; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 10:21:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5217381B.3080808@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 03:23:23 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Re: KILL SWITCH/electric guitar recommendations? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 10:21:47 +0000 (UTC)
On 8/22/2013 6:32 PM, Todd Elliott wrote:
Curiosity compels me to ask who's making your guitar? I got an Eastwood Tenor, and I like it, sort of, but the pickup is irritatingly hot.

Please forgive me, Todd,  but until it's completed I want to keep this a bit under wraps.
I'll share everything when it's done, I promise you.
yours,  Rick
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 10:25:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7D4618355F; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 10:25:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <521738E8.8010906@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 03:26:48 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Sales , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Re: Best high quality,super compact mixer? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020303090509040903080507" Resent-Message-ID: <3znt-.A.cr.KizFSB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 10:25:14 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020303090509040903080507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 8/22/2013 6:51 PM, Richard Sales wrote: > Hey Rick > > Wild idea - Don't know if this is even possible but a cool idea would > be to send your broken Mackie to the guy, I think his name is Jim > Williams, at Audio Upgrades. IF HE WORKS ON MACKIES, he could turn it > into a very high end, tank built little mixer. I think the url is > www.audioupgrades.com . > > This way you'd be towing the 'sustainable' line AND getting a serious > mixer out of the deal. > > I've been surprised at how reasonable some of his upgrades are. This might be a great suggestion and I thank you for it, Richard, but I have to say, this mixer has been with me in 15 different countries over ten years and it's beat to absolute hell, physically................the case it's self is starting to come apart. Two of the channels are completely dead and my surmise is that I can get a new mixer for less than the cost of a repair. I also, would love something that is lighter weight for putting in a suitcase since I seem to be a virtual luddite and insist on staying with my hardware loopers on tour. I'll look into it, though. Thanks as always for generously looking after me, my friend! yours, Rick --------------020303090509040903080507 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
On 8/22/2013 6:51 PM, Richard Sales wrote:
Hey Rick

Wild idea - Don't know if this is even possible but a cool idea would be to send your broken Mackie to the guy, I think his name is Jim Williams, at Audio Upgrades.  IF HE WORKS ON MACKIES, he could turn it into a very high end, tank built little mixer.  I think the url is www.audioupgrades.com

This way you'd be towing the 'sustainable' line AND getting a serious mixer out of the deal.

I've been surprised at how reasonable some of his upgrades are.

This might be a great suggestion and I thank you for it, Richard, 
but I have to say,  this mixer has been with me  in 15 different countries over ten years
and it's beat to absolute hell, physically................the case it's self is starting to come apart.

Two of the channels are completely dead and my surmise is that I can get a new mixer for less
than the cost of a repair.

I also, would love something that is lighter weight for putting in a suitcase since I seem to be
a virtual luddite and insist on staying with my hardware loopers on tour.

I'll look into it, though.  Thanks as always for generously looking after me, my friend!

yours,  Rick
--------------020303090509040903080507-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 10:34:18 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 498FB18355E; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 10:34:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <52173B0A.2010904@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 03:35:54 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Per Boysen , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Re: KILL SWITCH/electric guitar recommendations? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 10:34:18 +0000 (UTC) On 8/23/2013 12:25 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > I'm doing it by the opposite direction using a LIVE SWITCH! A foot > cotrolled momentary pad that lets sound through while pressed down but > is "killing" when not touched. I can also deactivate the Live Switch > so I won't have to constantly step on it (for "normal rig > functionality"). My prefered signal chain level for the switch is > after distortion and filtering units but before reverb and delay lines. > > I took this tack with the Walker Manual Glitch pedal, though we just used the same kinds of buttons found on the footcontroller of the EDP. I just had a switch that would reverse the switches (one way, letting sound in, the other way, stopping sound with a momentary hit). Unfortunately, we deconstructed the large prototype pedal to put it into a smaller profile and the person helping me to build that pedal got really busy no longer has time to work on it. It's probably never going to be made........:-( I had just heard, however, that, some people had used video game controllers because they were vastly faster than other switches. I"m just wondering what the actual switches are. I also suppose that it wouldn't be too difficult to have a switch that reversed the function of each "kill switch". R. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 10:37:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 994DB183560; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 10:37:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <52173BB0.6030906@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 03:38:40 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mark francombe , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Re: KILL SWITCH/electric guitar recommendations? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 10:37:03 +0000 (UTC) On 8/23/2013 12:46 AM, mark francombe wrote: > * > * > *Personally I use a switch (Is is called 2 pole or 2 gang?) that > switches from the pickups to a spare jack socket (an INput) So I can > velcro things to my guitar (in my case Ive collected all the Buddah > boxes, they are light and plastic and stay on with Velcro) and can > switch between guitar and noise. OR I turn off the Buddah box for Kill > Switching, or I can not play the guitar for Buddah box kill > switching*... I have a silver small flight case full of small device, > like Walkmans, radios that I can insert into this jack. > > I first saw THIS technique doen by my favorite Japanese Punk Band > "Melt Banana"!! Before I had even heard of Tome Morrello actually, > although was aware of his Rage against the machine band, but had found > it not to my particular flavour of Tea. That's a fantastic idea!!!!!! I'm going to try and steal that if I can. yours, Rick ps I, too, wanted a 'positive' switch, but I also like the randomness that can come from turning something off with a positive action as opposed to turning something ON with a positive motion. It's all glitchy goodness from where I sit. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 11:26:15 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55A23183560; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 11:26:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 450 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at arsenic; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 11:26:14 UTC From: "o.malhomme@laposte.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_0AC2F8DB-1447-421A-9560-57C402761660" Subject: Kill Switch Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 13:19:46 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20130823102515.919F4183558@arsenic.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20130823102515.919F4183558@arsenic.violacea.com> Message-Id: <437DDFC8-D38B-43BC-AD99-56ACCC7B7E31@laposte.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 11:26:15 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_0AC2F8DB-1447-421A-9560-57C402761660 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi to all. I think that a kill switch, to be really efficient, has to offer a very = easy, quick and sensitive operation, allowing quick or slight finger = oparation, hence the link Rick sent. A usual switch, while it would be working, wouldn't offer the service = one might expect=85 My 2 cents though. Olivier Malhomme http://soundcloud.com/in-mobile= --Apple-Mail=_0AC2F8DB-1447-421A-9560-57C402761660 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Hi to all.

I = think that a kill switch, to be really efficient, has to offer a very = easy, quick and sensitive operation,  allowing quick or slight = finger oparation, hence the link Rick sent.
A usual switch, = while it would be working, wouldn't offer the service one might = expect=85

My 2 cents = though.

Olivier Malhomme
= --Apple-Mail=_0AC2F8DB-1447-421A-9560-57C402761660-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 11:27:42 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A629218355E; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 11:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=MtBg7BtRaGNBjVzvJv5hGriFu4mL0TErEHaLh+TvtC8=; b=Lfx2QggfJ4olZKHNRQCizp0kBOnt+woxYa/tZcIAYpclwI4sGNmv+RqF0o7JHUdFw2 OS7967JLJxIimUAj5JqmYSmPra7QlJVgpvzJma3D7HiAUx2S8kAWpHpb2cgzJhjBoX2+ AhtGL35yMev3W1gkCXO2lKgv+1Yn0ncIIv2fpcMzJ7DEvePbfdVZ3RD/mglMXwpS14wk vkPHBWpNxltwOUhDMCqfY1PSQ040VgnYYSZ8vSsU3AaLS+JeoczTjPBTpK93/TucNbKd eftGVfBWT+KBSYYAF3jCLAV7Zlc/ywLbJiQW9fXfw5sLXLV+ENcBjKCdwlnMH7YHLFKw gJEQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.219.233 with SMTP id pr9mr20353179pac.45.1377257351922; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 04:29:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <52173BB0.6030906@cruzio.com> References: <52173BB0.6030906@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 07:29:11 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: KILL SWITCH/electric guitar recommendations? From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b5d58e439caa704e49bb704 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 11:27:42 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b5d58e439caa704e49bb704 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Rick, I've used these arcade buttons before and I love them. Very quick response and they jump right back up ready to be hit again. http://na.suzohapp.com/all_catalogs/pushbuttons/60-1200-10 Might be difficult to mount on a guitar... Sylvain On Friday, August 23, 2013, Rick Walker wrote: > On 8/23/2013 12:46 AM, mark francombe wrote: > >> * >> * >> *Personally I use a switch (Is is called 2 pole or 2 gang?) that switches >> from the pickups to a spare jack socket (an INput) So I can velcro things >> to my guitar (in my case Ive collected all the Buddah boxes, they are light >> and plastic and stay on with Velcro) and can switch between guitar and >> noise. OR I turn off the Buddah box for Kill Switching, or I can not play >> the guitar for Buddah box kill switching*... I have a silver small flight >> case full of small device, like Walkmans, radios that I can insert into >> this jack. >> >> I first saw THIS technique doen by my favorite Japanese Punk Band "Melt >> Banana"!! Before I had even heard of Tome Morrello actually, although was >> aware of his Rage against the machine band, but had found it not to my >> particular flavour of Tea. >> > That's a fantastic idea!!!!!! > I'm going to try and steal that if I can. > > yours, Rick > > ps I, too, wanted a 'positive' switch, but I also like the randomness > that can come from turning something off with a positive action > as opposed to turning something ON with a positive motion. It's all > glitchy goodness from where I sit. > > --047d7b5d58e439caa704e49bb704 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick,
I've used these arcade buttons before and I love them. =A0Ver= y quick response and they jump right back up ready to be hit again.


Might be difficult to mount on a guitar...=

Sylvain

On Friday, August 23, 2013, Rick W= alker wrote:
On 8/23/2013 12:46 AM, mark francombe wrote:
*
*
*Personally I use a switch (Is is called 2 pole or 2 gang?) that switches f= rom the pickups to a spare jack socket (an INput) So I can velcro things to= my guitar (in my case Ive collected all the Buddah boxes, they are light a= nd plastic and stay on with Velcro) and can switch between guitar and noise= . OR I turn off the Buddah box for Kill Switching, or I can not play the gu= itar for Buddah box kill switching*... I have a silver small flight case fu= ll of small device, like Walkmans, radios that I can insert into this jack.=

I first saw THIS technique doen by my favorite Japanese Punk Band "Mel= t Banana"!! Before I had even heard of Tome Morrello actually, althoug= h was aware of his Rage against the machine band, but had found it not to m= y particular flavour of Tea.
That's a fantastic idea!!!!!!
I'm going to try and steal that if I can.

yours, =A0Rick

ps I, too, wanted a 'positive' switch, =A0 but I also like the rand= omness that can come from turning something off with a positive action
as opposed to turning something ON with a positive motion. =A0 =A0 It's= all glitchy goodness from where I sit.

--047d7b5d58e439caa704e49bb704-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 13:55:47 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 830C818355D; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 13:55:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=eDj0r9/udPfX1lQBnda75bVNJBmiQ1g/3WLiBGEEwQo=; b=PsvhnhfzAHyFH5ZVX2Gn/C1ZtAk841sg6k70SKu20o6LFLVo2BBA5b7LsHGtJIRgtz /KOPGZjbpIZSiNs9Hnzl1SIOmmlOKx5CZm8FUabuWY3JGSPEvPwyhed4prIIUlz5HruD JDhqChYODF1wRbQ9Q6MILpMfXgl+b/0OPVbE/HjnNB8SOpzcZaKeDs8qr3odC7tqZsWW lWF1eYO2KurMAMeSx4SuH1Ab29CMAdIcpi2kaslP6lphYbNgXsGyf4CTpMECKSL4QlgQ xYKrIjf4zsAp4LyTMzlcf3Z//sQhHp1u0BJk2xzZbikAF+/VsBsOxoktM9h6y49FtUVV ZiIQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.253.67 with SMTP id zy3mr11342614pbc.137.1377266235669; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 06:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Sender: leesloanpianist@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <521738E8.8010906@cruzio.com> References: <521738E8.8010906@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 15:57:15 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: wLVTfOH8Ut3uiz9vbPH_aYa68kc Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Best high quality,super compact mixer? From: MasterMuso To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b1605efbd09fd04e49dc81b Resent-Message-ID: <1ocSVD.A.wgC.in2FSB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 13:55:47 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b1605efbd09fd04e49dc81b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 When money is no object: http://www.sonosax.ch/mixers/mixers_index.html On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 8/22/2013 6:51 PM, Richard Sales wrote: > > Hey Rick > > Wild idea - Don't know if this is even possible but a cool idea would be > to send your broken Mackie to the guy, I think his name is Jim Williams, at > Audio Upgrades. IF HE WORKS ON MACKIES, he could turn it into a very high > end, tank built little mixer. I think the url is www.audioupgrades.com. > > This way you'd be towing the 'sustainable' line AND getting a serious > mixer out of the deal. > > I've been surprised at how reasonable some of his upgrades are. > > > This might be a great suggestion and I thank you for it, Richard, > but I have to say, this mixer has been with me in 15 different countries > over ten years > and it's beat to absolute hell, physically................the case it's > self is starting to come apart. > > Two of the channels are completely dead and my surmise is that I can get a > new mixer for less > than the cost of a repair. > > I also, would love something that is lighter weight for putting in a > suitcase since I seem to be > a virtual luddite and insist on staying with my hardware loopers on tour. > > I'll look into it, though. Thanks as always for generously looking after > me, my friend! > > yours, Rick > --047d7b1605efbd09fd04e49dc81b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com&g= t; wrote:
=20 =20 =20
On 8/22/2013 6:51 PM, Richard Sales wrote:
Hey Rick

Wild idea - Don't know if this is even possible but a cool idea would be to send your broken Mackie to the guy, I think his name is Jim Williams, at Audio Upgrades. =A0IF HE WORKS ON MACKIES, he could turn it into a very high end, tank built little mixer. =A0I think the url is www.audioupgrades.c= om.=A0

This way you'd be towing the 'sustainab= le' line AND getting a serious mixer out of the deal.

I've been surprised at how reasonable some = of his upgrades are.

This might be a great suggestion and I thank you for it, Richard,=A0 but I have to say,=A0 this mixer has been with me=A0 in 15 different countries over ten years
and it's beat to absolute hell, physically................the case it's self is starting to come apart.

Two of the channels are completely dead and my surmise is that I can get a new mixer for less
than the cost of a repair.

I also, would love something that is lighter weight for putting in a suitcase since I seem to be
a virtual luddite and insist on staying with my hardware loopers on tour.

I'll look into it, though.=A0 Thanks as always for generously looki= ng after me, my friend!

yours,=A0 Rick

--047d7b1605efbd09fd04e49dc81b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 14:19:10 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C43AB183558; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 14:19:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=BkDcknuqUkgjLf9Z8eD/Bas/b+6EahMApnsOXJgDj7M=; b=fZFsy0jPu6Pjb0JLHQ6zW2Inncn+qMbumQBwZgmyv52owgtdDyyMi7GIzptrZJ3zJl 9ftDnG/YAXCd7fRrltD1mEyWFV6LdFATZZ30YgIFpvnS/i01tXAIzQZ0zZanWdCK47Bo 7moABUplRtCKL11qxEfcTZBvOnbTHZPavNmHowsLMHZrXKZBpJuhFMk505a72VhJo+mj OfLyeaCNttChEx2uHKLybUhxQcQgGwVn6WgJhRAfR/g1jczNgSMXBVetxkljHjhbFR6B sUC0R6sEpN1VmQAGU5RJIHFhavzcF+Tr2a/g76E7mP3YUAU05cIUzkOPXo7X6iyl21Px 3vDg== X-Received: by 10.15.109.138 with SMTP id cf10mr74712eeb.73.1377267638514; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 07:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) Subject: Re: McMillan 12 step anyone? From: Matthias Grob In-Reply-To: <520FB3E8.40808@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 16:20:12 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <08975FA0-5010-4DB6-A61E-AFC319B49977@gmail.com> References: <2C57A5E3-CC05-4463-9F70-D5662CF5A3FE@baymoon.com> <520FB3E8.40808@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loop List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 14:19:09 +0000 (UTC) On 17.08.2013, at 19:33, andy butler wrote: > William Walker wrote: >> well the first important thing I learned about Mobius and Echoloop is = they both would rather be triggered with midi notes. Ugh!=20 >=20 > Echoloop also has a setting where it can be triggered by PC. > (but indeed, SUS commands are out...although possible that QuantSUS = could work, I'm not sure) >=20 > ...but they have to be the right value...so the controller still needs = to be programmed. it works with CC just as well as with notes >=20 >> one has used the 12 step? certain features make it more interesting = and seemingly more out of the box use-able than the Soft Step for midi = note driven software loopers, >=20 > "chromatic layout" ...could mean the layout isn't user configurable. >=20 > The fact that CC and PC are not assignable to switches also points > to this being intended for melodic playing of an instrument. >=20 > Indeed, all the available literature points to this. >=20 > If this is true it would work with fine Mobius > (with some programming of Mobius) > and not at all with Echoloop. >=20 I think it will work fine since we can set the note or CC for Record in = Echoloop and then the main funcions just follow=20 if you want some more special funcion or sequence you can reassign the = note # in some table tool in Bidule or whatever MIDI patch tool= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 14:31:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD8AF18355C; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 14:31:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=vu0MUkSRCd7ydCBIjJPuo+9CDyNM8tEIa71XV58odts=; b=scHsc/6S34ev4YMxG4csUVWdEecgQNZocy6tFS7zKD2tEqhzUx3aMOgh0A0qzM5LT/ 4FkGK7VEWWTLNUsAX1XBGi1Voo4uIJLDbktyHX+Nrj8B5OzsXgpzZXYmzTCaW9CzQHP5 UhS3plJSGVK/ZoN/wLmq0D7XYfAWGDOc5CV430D+LM9c6moXzqTIntyB0VAhmIUcAjML jfJUCyTjN6+zyERj/RghYKKBS61QPdPH/RcLRtXu8RHZbCsTIBMaKez4XSHFgsUjmaN8 gLepzV5qhbFpMovlN5hDgumdecgnycWax6pSToYd8a5F8eGAk9YgRbWEoBEUiwDXjiBQ W9Rg== X-Received: by 10.50.72.33 with SMTP id a1mr1713672igv.58.1377268352789; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 07:32:32 -0700 (PDT) References: <2C57A5E3-CC05-4463-9F70-D5662CF5A3FE@baymoon.com> <520FB3E8.40808@tiscali.co.uk> <08975FA0-5010-4DB6-A61E-AFC319B49977@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: <08975FA0-5010-4DB6-A61E-AFC319B49977@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Cc: Loop List X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B329) From: Ricky Graham Subject: Re: McMillan 12 step anyone? Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 10:32:23 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 14:31:04 +0000 (UTC) Exactly, Matt. Just reassign MIDI numbers in Live (using racks), Pd, Max, Bi= dule.=20 Sent from my iPhone On Aug 23, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: >=20 > On 17.08.2013, at 19:33, andy butler wrote: >=20 >> William Walker wrote: >>> well the first important thing I learned about Mobius and Echoloop is th= ey both would rather be triggered with midi notes. Ugh! >>=20 >> Echoloop also has a setting where it can be triggered by PC. >> (but indeed, SUS commands are out...although possible that QuantSUS could= work, I'm not sure) >>=20 >> ...but they have to be the right value...so the controller still needs to= be programmed. >=20 > it works with CC just as well as with notes >>=20 >>> one has used the 12 step? certain features make it more interesting and s= eemingly more out of the box use-able than the Soft Step for midi note drive= n software loopers, >>=20 >> "chromatic layout" ...could mean the layout isn't user configurable. >>=20 >> The fact that CC and PC are not assignable to switches also points >> to this being intended for melodic playing of an instrument. >>=20 >> Indeed, all the available literature points to this. >>=20 >> If this is true it would work with fine Mobius >> (with some programming of Mobius) >> and not at all with Echoloop. > I think it will work fine since we can set the note or CC for Record in Ec= holoop and then the main funcions just follow=20 > if you want some more special funcion or sequence you can reassign the not= e # in some table tool in Bidule or whatever MIDI patch tool From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 14:44:49 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3AF8183560; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 14:44:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=KYGKKnkD c=1 sm=1 a=sWKv9GAtHqGQJ4dkg/UOxg==:17 a=5otG3WCvmIkA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=9X51A9gHMzMA:10 a=_g34MQbZAAAA:8 a=FcAFIstCAAAA:8 a=Z05bQLDeuIWgPO7H_dkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=NV0LgFqsyRYA:10 a=sWKv9GAtHqGQJ4dkg/UOxg==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Subject: Re: McMillan 12 step anyone? From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: <08975FA0-5010-4DB6-A61E-AFC319B49977@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 07:46:16 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <87D91A31-145B-4079-B1DF-C951BD0560D2@charter.net> References: <2C57A5E3-CC05-4463-9F70-D5662CF5A3FE@baymoon.com> <520FB3E8.40808@tiscali.co.uk> <08975FA0-5010-4DB6-A61E-AFC319B49977@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 14:44:49 +0000 (UTC) Matthias, And while the list has your attention, what's happening with your = EvoLoop hardware looper project? As seen at: The looping world wants to know. :-) Ted On Aug 23, 2013, at 7:20 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: > On 17.08.2013, at 19:33, andy butler wrote: >=20 >> William Walker wrote: >>> well the first important thing I learned about Mobius and Echoloop = is they both would rather be triggered with midi notes. Ugh!=20 >>=20 >> Echoloop also has a setting where it can be triggered by PC. >> (but indeed, SUS commands are out...although possible that QuantSUS = could work, I'm not sure) >>=20 >> ...but they have to be the right value...so the controller still = needs to be programmed. >=20 > it works with CC just as well as with notes >>=20 >>> one has used the 12 step? certain features make it more interesting = and seemingly more out of the box use-able than the Soft Step for midi = note driven software loopers, >>=20 >> "chromatic layout" ...could mean the layout isn't user configurable. >>=20 >> The fact that CC and PC are not assignable to switches also points >> to this being intended for melodic playing of an instrument. >>=20 >> Indeed, all the available literature points to this. >>=20 >> If this is true it would work with fine Mobius >> (with some programming of Mobius) >> and not at all with Echoloop. >>=20 > I think it will work fine since we can set the note or CC for Record = in Echoloop and then the main funcions just follow=20 > if you want some more special funcion or sequence you can reassign the = note # in some table tool in Bidule or whatever MIDI patch tool From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 14:57:47 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B036118355D; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 14:57:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 384223.73622.bm@omp1033.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1377269956; bh=eF4tdaFLKK+eCX1qmogjspIFdBYG2W+5enjW3uEteFI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=djgnogPdgYsICD7d4trJIttvqYfu+dMX4mDftMiU5689VloPNgzoHpvTACh1nzX0wwAhboNkIWzC7qjd699L30VnYqfx9q6hXdkSAB2EP6GglZJjqSFvgNz9e/iMg3cvipp7lxacA4tRwGrhSqbBccuHUSh5o94qui3+nvFWk3c= X-YMail-OSG: DcDDS1cVM1nUmTIKAmbYNaUUSrUGHpL70RtjAbvplgIb_6f 1BKK3joLXD2WYBd0qc3OCCIJ6L9_IYYqu5fojQ5i4HbXOyZ1KJb2x7Q0J_Am CFaUe2C211OZi9gxH1tkRin0V9jztJomRnPMIh7zhyJJ2n9J6.dOX1a0KknY XSgeJH_KjlfhQjLxpcHZ11ISo48fnvc9nNVsXST5z6Zyl2QBxQOs1UpbG7Zn 85XXgb6m3xeG_A8A1vQNebd0sFjHv_11b0OjxJra6AZ8WZjoS5Jyx_l5cyGQ RA.66J95ZISb1UH6Jp56o5SzOMt_1EG0Qehnom1ixom4YNg8aCqQiO77eXyA AYiHA36GPN79HwHJbypbEA3z6QIo4EMd8Q7gavOXuqgDIR.ILnPy5GaiXU6Y fFheAGkI0coOmmdDW19Geyao8cR37CmyXoX8c.Flxizj9d6OTNJU_DoBaVfP PSvrv7bnW83UI7dT2Q4R.mYx.k9QjKcyqRO171JAgZmGjEaOJnXcCCSBQ2M_ 5p8wbqVpPTQrUc_7ChjP_DMQUVpiZfJCrmn4faigoKysMxo0z.g0dS9AFAPu 5UELii78YmNO1niuq4xhwRVTQF1HVcedKXYK3936jRvm772XdE8CWOlzwwP4 TR_U0sfFFjELmqSVd7ZMrwGSbnTfk1fAbR_pvkZNkFQ_veZmyguVSc.ezDK_ w321djL3Y1Z_A.KAC2pxXyxSSz_j.PWgPxRy26Nti_PgCq8F9pm8.oLqO7.r S3in0qnonZLI1GeGoS..nR6rZ_6YvFB_J7kQZdCKJ2VZ.CUCAgwn8pewbRe7 .aERZGsXu.RtcRnPN.H6ANNHvwHC59.fCLzXN85kqGQ5Lfc7HPPBbnhOQQcD bp4nmasAv26hM0FbIiscE_3nCRQ_C8YDReBePf7FChXgB6SF_S7MgZAs1rCz lEYTAXCteiySMVkf_byErxlfSWaLIv82INBVGAHsWVcpFsr2.q9IB7aBq3qh L0W2wqw3pCVAK47X2J0ALduqdH9teDqqGfaxz2LKieZRahkex2h_nHZuW3_I VO8HKMrkgFES6fMJw52pllSYR6vZc6.d2zSPtaAx_TP6OmvEAsw4YKQb7MbP Kq0FHu.uAnV_y7LhpcPkPmUbtLi2xjdKswcgga84kscL0Cbi1r6m898qbgHo oQdysdJ_o45sXyR7WciuRCOBZPLtZCqfGmm.TfQGlYPPiMQMf4EcgiA.Uw7u cyPJFF1vgvUXU9WKY38.9AvEvNZ86180LxMrAM1IIQ6N4ji8v9lDiQ8yPtOO qQX.P4LWBnfXGv53AmAwD2KoIxWCzH4QUA8asF10aDMUnkvNV.2ZiR7GokKU ltQJTdkxRYJHVdg5lLpmPACrDLGCEX7afSsPRpbFGTDZGqbWgI23pWbFddRX oZT.XLEp5wrwoP12l4PNcSSoYW8lOGgMpSQ-- X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,VGhhbmtzIHRvIGV2ZXJ5Ym9keSB3aG8gcG9zdGVkLiBUaGlzIGlzIGFsbCB2ZXJ5IHVzZWZ1bCBpbmZvLCBhbmQgd2hvIGhhc24ndCB3YW50ZWQgdG8gYmUgRGF2aWQgVG9ybiAob3IgVG9tIE1vcmVsbG8pPwoKKERvbid0IHdvcnJ5LCBSaWNrOiB3ZSB3b24ndCBoYXJhc3MgeW91IGFib3V0IHlvdXIgc2VjcmV0IGd1aXRhci4uLiBidXQgd2Ugd2FubmEga25vdyBhbGwgdGhlIGdvcnkgZGV0YWlsIHdoZW4geW91IGRlY2lkZSBpdCdzIHRpbWUgdG8gcmV2ZWFsIHRoZW0uKQoKCsKgClRpbSBNdW5nZW5hc3QKRWQBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.155.576 References: <5216BA97.9010003@cruzio.com> Message-ID: <1377269955.29866.YahooMailNeo@web120302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 07:59:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Mungenast Reply-To: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: KILL SWITCH/electric guitar recommendations? To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-874068440-441583785-1377269955=:29866" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 14:57:47 +0000 (UTC) ---874068440-441583785-1377269955=:29866 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks to everybody who posted. This is all very useful info, and who hasn'= t wanted to be David Torn (or Tom Morello)?=0A=0A(Don't worry, Rick: we won= 't harass you about your secret guitar... but we wanna know all the gory de= tail when you decide it's time to reveal them.)=0A=0A=0A=A0=0ATim Mungenast= =0AEditor/Writer/Proofreader:www.linkedin.com/in/timmungenast=0AGuitarist/C= omposer/Vocalist:www.reverbnation.com/timmungenast=0A=0A=0A________________= ________________=0A From: mark francombe =0ATo: loo= pers-delight =0ASent: Friday, August = 23, 2013 3:46 AM=0ASubject: Re: KILL SWITCH/electric guitar recommendations= ?=0A =0A=0A=0AI should mention that MY kill switch is not based on these di= agrams either ha ha. Infact, Im not sure that I like the idea of "push to k= ill" anyhow! It seems against the way that we "play" instruments. We tend t= o want to PUSH a thing to make a noise, not release a thing!=0A=0AIf we tak= e the Tom Morello technique as ground zero, then you will see that he still= uses a SWITCH.. not a button. of the demos I have seen of people trying to= do that effect with a monetary button, they cant do it right (if they are = after that effect, which I guess they are).=0A=0APersonally I use a switch = (Is is called 2 pole or 2 gang?) that switches from the pickups to a spare = jack socket (an INput) So I can velcro things to my guitar (in my case Ive = collected all the Buddah boxes, they are light and plastic and stay on with= Velcro) and can switch between guitar and noise. OR I turn off the Buddah = box for Kill Switching, or I can not play the guitar for Buddah box kill sw= itching... I have a silver small flight case full of small device, like Wal= kmans, radios that I can insert into this jack.=0A=0AI first saw THIS techn= ique doen by my favorite Japanese Punk Band "Melt Banana"!! Before I had ev= en heard of Tome Morrello actually, although was aware of his Rage against = the machine band, but had found it not to my particular flavour of Tea.=0A= =0AMark=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Per Boysen wrote:=0A=0AI'm doing it by the opposite direction=A0using=A0a LI= VE SWITCH! A foot cotrolled momentary pad that lets sound through while pre= ssed down but is=A0"killing" when not touched. I can also deactivate the Li= ve Switch so I won't have to constantly=A0step on it (for "normal rig funct= ionality"). My prefered signal chain level for the switch is after distorti= on and filtering units but before reverb and delay lines.=0A>=0A>Den fredag= en den 23:e augusti 2013 skrev mark francombe:=0A>=0A>=0A>I dont know what = you are asking really Rick!=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>No one BUYS a killswitch.. theres= no special kill switches out there (the link you sent looked like it was m= eant for something else, I cant imagine whacking down on a pot is either A)= very efficient B) good for the pot.=0A>>=0A>>Just buy any momentary switch= , choose the one that looks good to you, as you say an old couple a video g= ame switches would look GREAT, I think that in reality they are also in nee= d of a hefty old THWACK I would go for the lightest touch you can find, qui= te large too. Unfortunately (as I have discovered when making mine) the big= ger they are the further that they intrude into the guitar. You need a low,= flush switch. =0A>>=0A>>As for the circuit, theres 2.=A0=0A>>Dependant on = whether its a "Normally ON" switch, or a "Normally OFF" switch=0A>>http://a= lexplorer.net/guitar/mods/killswitch.html=0A>>=0A>>Thus...=0A>>=0A>>anyway,= YOU of all people know this, your Walker Glitch pedal is a bunch of killsw= itches right?=0A>>=0A>>So, what was the question again?=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>= =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 4:33 AM, Ch= arles Zwicky wrote:=0A>>=0A>>The Kill switch on Da= vid Torn's Teufel guitar was a very short travel membrane switch, similar t= o the switches under the buttons of a multieffect processor. =A0It has a ve= ry fast tactile response.=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>At 6:27 PM -0700 8/22/13, Rick W= alker wrote:=0A>>>=0A>>>I had a URL for a =A0KILL SWITCH for a custom tenor= guitar=0A>>>>I"m having made, but it no longer is extant.=0A>>>>=0A>>>>The= se came highly recommended and I wondered if anyone has any experience with= them.=0A>>>>http://www.shadow-electronics.com/viewart.html?id=3D309&search= =3D1=0A>>>>=0A>>>>But I've also heard that video game switches can be faste= r to manipulate than=0A>>>>typical guitar styled 'kill switches'.=0A>>>>=0A= >>>>The standard toggle switch on a guitar is not really fast enough for ve= ry=0A>>>>quick 'slicing and dicing' techniques, =A0so I wondered, =A0what's= the poop=0A>>>>on KILL SWITCHES?=0A>>>>=0A>>>>Anyone know what Torn uses, = =A0 out of curiosity?=0A>>>>=0A>>>>Thanks,=0A>>>>=0A>>>>Rick Walker=0A>>>>= =0A>>>=0A>>>-- =0A>>>=0A>>>...=0A>>>http://www.zmix.net=0A>>>=0A>>>http://a= lbumcredits.com/zmix=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>-- =0A>>=0A>>Mark Franc= ombe=0A>>www.markfrancombe.com=0A>>www.ordoabkhao.com=0A>>http://vimeo.com/= user825094=0A>>http://www.looop.no=0A>>twitter @markfrancombe=0A>>=0A>=0A>-= - =0A>...=0A>Greetings from Sweden=0A>=0A>Per Boysen=0A>www.perboysen.com= =0A>http://www.youtube.com/perboysen=0A>=0A=0A=0A-- =0A=0AMark Francombe=0A= www.markfrancombe.com=0Awww.ordoabkhao.com=0Ahttp://vimeo.com/user825094=0A= http://www.looop.no=0Atwitter @markfrancombe ---874068440-441583785-1377269955=:29866 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks to everybody w= ho posted. This is all very useful info, and who hasn't wanted to be David = Torn (or Tom Morello)?

(Don't worry, Rick: we won't harass you about= your secret guitar... but we wanna know all the gory detail when you decid= e it's time to reveal them.)

 
Tim Mungenast
Editor/Writer/Proof= reader:www.linkedin.com/= in/timmungenast
Guitarist/Composer/Vocalist:www.reverbna= tion.com/timmungenast

From: mark francombe <mark@markfrancom= be.com>
To: loopers= -delight <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 3:46 AM
<= b>Subject: Re: KILL SWITCH/el= ectric guitar recommendations?

I should mention that = MY kill switch is not based on these diagrams either ha ha. Infact, Im not sure that I like the = idea of "push to kill" anyhow! It seems against the way that we "play" inst= ruments. We tend to want to PUSH a thing to make a noise, not release a thi= ng!
=0A=0A
If we take the Tom Morello technique as ground zero, then = you will see that he still uses a SWITCH.. not a button. of the demos I hav= e seen of people trying to do that effect with a monetary button, they cant= do it right (if they are after that effect, which I guess they are).
= =0A=0A
Personally I use a switch (Is is called 2 pole or 2 ga= ng?) that switches from the pickups to a spare jack socket (an INput) So I = can velcro things to my guitar (in my case Ive collected all the Buddah box= es, they are light and plastic and stay on with Velcro) and can switch betw= een guitar and noise. OR I turn off the Buddah box for Kill Switching, or I= can not play the guitar for Buddah box kill switching... I have a silver s= mall flight case full of small device, like Walkmans, radios that I can ins= ert into this jack.
=0A=0A
I first saw THIS technique doen by my favo= rite Japanese Punk Band "Melt Banana"!! Before I had even heard of Tome Mor= rello actually, although was aware of his Rage against the machine band, bu= t had found it not to my particular flavour of Tea.
=0A=0A
Mark
=


On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>= wrote:
=0A=0A
I'm do= ing it by the opposite direction using a LIVE SWITCH! A foot cotr= olled momentary pad that lets sound through while pressed down but is = "killing" when not touched. I can also deactivate the Live Switch so I won'= t have to constantly step on it (for "normal rig functionality")= . My prefered signal chain level for the switch is after distortion = and filtering units but before reverb and delay lines.
=0A=0A=0A
Den = fredagen den 23:e augusti 2013 skrev mark francombe:

I dont know what you are asking really Ri= ck!
=0A=0A=0A
No one BUYS a killswitch.. theres no specia= l kill switches out there (the link you sent looked like it was meant for s= omething else, I cant imagine whacking down on a pot is either A) very effi= cient B) good for the pot.
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
Just buy any momentary swi= tch, choose the one that looks good to you, as you say an old couple a vide= o game switches would look GREAT, I think that in reality they are also in = need of a hefty old THWACK I would go for the lightest touch you can find, = quite large too. Unfortunately (as I have discovered when making mine) the = bigger they are the further that they intrude into the guitar. You need a l= ow, flush switch.
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
As for the circuit, theres 2. = ;
Dependant on whether its a "Normally ON" switch, or a "Normally= OFF" switch
Thus...
anyway= , YOU of all people know this, your Walker Glitch pedal is a bunch of kills= witches right?

So, what was the question again?

=


=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A


On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 4:33 AM, Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> wr= ote:
=0A=0A=0A
The Kill swit= ch on David Torn's Teufel guitar was a very short travel membrane switch, s= imilar to the switches under the buttons of a multieffect processor.  = It has a very fast tactile response.
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A

=0A
=0A= At 6:27 PM -0700 8/22/13, Rick Walker wrote:
=0A
=0AI had a URL for a  KILL SWITCH for a custom te= nor guitar
=0AI"m having made, but it no longer is extant.
=0A
=0A= These came highly recommended and I wondered if anyone has any experience w= ith them.
=0Ahttp://www.shado= w-electronics.com/viewart.html?id=3D309&search=3D1=0A
=0ABut I've also heard that video game switches can be faster to ma= nipulate than
=0Atypical guitar styled 'kill switches'.
=0A
=0AThe= standard toggle switch on a guitar is not really fast enough for very
= =0Aquick 'slicing and dicing' techniques,  so I wondered,  what's= the poop
=0Aon KILL SWITCHES?
=0A
=0AAnyone know what Torn uses, =   out of curiosity?
=0A
=0AThanks,
=0A
=0ARick Walker
= =0A
=0A
=0A
=0A= --
=0A
=0A...
=0Ahttp://www.zmix.net
=0A
=0Ahttp://albumcredi= ts.com/zmix
=0A
=0A



--
Mark Francom= be
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0Awww.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0Ahttp://vimeo.com/user82509= 4
http://www.lo= oop.no
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0Atwitter @markfrancombe
=0A
=0A


<= font color=3D"#888888">--
...
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boyse= n
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
= =0A=0A=0A



--
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<= /body> ---874068440-441583785-1377269955=:29866-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 19:48:25 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7883D18355E; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 19:48:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1800 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at arsenic; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 19:48:25 UTC Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 15:22:47 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Re: Best high quality,super compact mixer? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <97A9CF13B58A43FA80D730ECF132E1FA@Bedroom> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_cfVWdMIGoc6ct028RePSFQ)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130823-0, 08/23/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean References: <521738E8.8010906@cruzio.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 19:48:25 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_cfVWdMIGoc6ct028RePSFQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Howdy Rick & Loopers all - My fave rave mixer is the Soundcraft EPM series. I use the EPM6 for my looping gigs, and a Soundcraft Gigrac 1000 for band gigs. Very transparent, rugged construction, versatile, and a great feel to the controls - you roll something back to 10:00, you HEAR it, and you can keep rolling back and HEARING the change. http://www.soundcraft.com/index.aspx Douglas Baldwin Alpha Coyote coyotelk@optonline.net www.TheCoyote.org www.facebook.com/people/Douglas-Baldwin "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid. -- Frank Zappa ----- Original Message ----- From: MasterMuso To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 9:57 AM Subject: Re: Re: Best high quality,super compact mixer? When money is no object: http://www.sonosax.ch/mixers/mixers_index.html On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Rick Walker wrote: On 8/22/2013 6:51 PM, Richard Sales wrote: Hey Rick Wild idea - Don't know if this is even possible but a cool idea would be to send your broken Mackie to the guy, I think his name is Jim Williams, at Audio Upgrades. IF HE WORKS ON MACKIES, he could turn it into a very high end, tank built little mixer. I think the url is www.audioupgrades.com. This way you'd be towing the 'sustainable' line AND getting a serious mixer out of the deal. I've been surprised at how reasonable some of his upgrades are. This might be a great suggestion and I thank you for it, Richard, but I have to say, this mixer has been with me in 15 different countries over ten years and it's beat to absolute hell, physically................the case it's self is starting to come apart. Two of the channels are completely dead and my surmise is that I can get a new mixer for less than the cost of a repair. I also, would love something that is lighter weight for putting in a suitcase since I seem to be a virtual luddite and insist on staying with my hardware loopers on tour. I'll look into it, though. Thanks as always for generously looking after me, my friend! yours, Rick --Boundary_(ID_cfVWdMIGoc6ct028RePSFQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Howdy Rick & Loopers all -
My fave rave mixer is the Soundcraft EPM series. I use the EPM6 for my looping gigs, and a Soundcraft Gigrac 1000 for band gigs. Very transparent, rugged construction, versatile, and a great feel to the controls - you roll something back to 10:00, you HEAR it, and you can keep rolling back and HEARING the change.
 
"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid.
-- Frank Zappa
----- Original Message -----
From: MasterMuso
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Best high quality,super compact mixer?



On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
On 8/22/2013 6:51 PM, Richard Sales wrote:
Hey Rick

Wild idea - Don't know if this is even possible but a cool idea would be to send your broken Mackie to the guy, I think his name is Jim Williams, at Audio Upgrades.  IF HE WORKS ON MACKIES, he could turn it into a very high end, tank built little mixer.  I think the url is www.audioupgrades.com

This way you'd be towing the 'sustainable' line AND getting a serious mixer out of the deal.

I've been surprised at how reasonable some of his upgrades are.

This might be a great suggestion and I thank you for it, Richard, 
but I have to say,  this mixer has been with me  in 15 different countries over ten years
and it's beat to absolute hell, physically................the case it's self is starting to come apart.

Two of the channels are completely dead and my surmise is that I can get a new mixer for less
than the cost of a repair.

I also, would love something that is lighter weight for putting in a suitcase since I seem to be
a virtual luddite and insist on staying with my hardware loopers on tour.

I'll look into it, though.  Thanks as always for generously looking after me, my friend!

yours,  Rick

--Boundary_(ID_cfVWdMIGoc6ct028RePSFQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 20:18:01 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAEDF18355F; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 20:18:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=hn8CalvtqeDZRZ4G5vIPwv29+lc72oG/wdk75N9DTq0=; b=rDGwcMZAMTiMPsLVZcr3YErkLSdpIqxGNJXLl2aynlxWUvvbGB5t/dtNcDDUYgwxPU RKHiL+f5C8kPVPxohxw8je1gusKQzABQOtNUzrTszbr1/qerrHGdIQs+W4hIIj31x55Y W2IGLFzWnqCz0Yn1DQjEsCWt89Ul3yzXJhgU73RXRHLJVdkXWS26MBKG0tD6VZRQp2rN RrnQ+qls4G5TSSVd9zBZSKWi/uBn8mJW1Z9nViGgyy7u+6hYDAoJ6dqVa5ejA71wbnpW 8UwR3qfIzYZJo5/dDTc5L1qWfnA5c1yDdlof8UNId+JP6KZqWV6LeJjL5KqrPyUMDBai Rx/w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.219.233 with SMTP id pr9mr865317pac.45.1377289169033; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 13:19:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <97A9CF13B58A43FA80D730ECF132E1FA@Bedroom> References: <521738E8.8010906@cruzio.com> <97A9CF13B58A43FA80D730ECF132E1FA@Bedroom> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 16:19:28 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Best high quality,super compact mixer? From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b5d58e4ac610604e4a31ff5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 20:18:01 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b5d58e4ac610604e4a31ff5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Rick, Here's an idea from left field... >From previous posts I surmised you had a RME Fireface UFX, right? Do you know you can use it without your computer? Throw in a cheap midi controller and it's a hell of a mixer... (only 4 preamps, though, but plenty more balanced line inputs in the back). The kicker is that not only can you route anything to everything, you can save mix presets and change between them at the press of a button. >From the website: *Stand Alone Operation with Setup Recall* . Using the three rotary encoders and the clear colour display the Fireface UFX can be configured and set up completely at the device. Additionally internal memory allows for the permanent storage of six different states of the unit. Therefore the Fireface UFX is able to operate fully stand-alone, without any connected computer. In stand-alone operation it can transform into totally different devices by the simple click of a button. Furthermore, in this mode TotalMix FX can also be controlled via MIDI. Application examples include: 12-channel AD/DA converter, 4-channel mic preamp, monitor mixer, digital format converter, analog/digital routing matrix. http://www.rme-audio.de/en_products_fireface_ufx.php It doesn't exactly fit your wish list, but if you already have the RME, you could get a good rackbag with a drawer for mics, cables and midi controllers and it won't cost you too much and would give you lots of flexibility. Like I said, left field... Sylvain --047d7b5d58e4ac610604e4a31ff5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rick,=A0

Here's an idea from = left field...

From previous posts I surmised you h= ad a RME Fireface UFX, right? =A0Do you know you can use it without your co= mputer? =A0Throw in a cheap midi controller and it's a hell of a mixer.= .. (only 4 preamps, though, but plenty more balanced line inputs in the bac= k). =A0The kicker is that not only can you route anything to everything, yo= u can save mix presets and change between them at the press of a button. = =A0

From the website:

Stand Al= one Operation with Setup Recall=A0. Using the three rotary encoders and the clear colour= display the Fireface UFX can be configured and set up completely at the de= vice. Additionally internal memory allows for the permanent storage of six = different states of the unit. Therefore the Fireface UFX is able to operate= fully stand-alone, without any connected computer. In stand-alone operatio= n it can transform into totally different devices by the simple click of a = button. Furthermore, in this mode TotalMix FX can also be controlled via MI= DI. Application examples include: 12-channel AD/DA converter, 4-channel mic= preamp, monitor mixer, digital format converter, analog/digital routing ma= trix.

It doesn't exactly fit your wish list, but if yo= u already have the RME, you could get a good rackbag with a drawer for mics= , cables and midi controllers and it won't cost you too much and would = give you lots of flexibility.

=
Like I said, left field...

=
Sylvain
--047d7b5d58e4ac610604e4a31ff5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 20:25:42 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36AC318355E; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 20:25:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5bd5baffef9eafcb7014865f46cdbbba.squirrel@www.noahpeterson.com.hostbaby.com> In-Reply-To: References: <521738E8.8010906@cruzio.com> <97A9CF13B58A43FA80D730ECF132E1FA@Bedroom> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 15:27:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Re: Best high quality,super compact mixer? From: "Noah Peterson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: noah@noahpeterson.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <3DgnMB.A.Y8F.FV8FSB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 20:25:41 +0000 (UTC) I have to say it... I love my Behringer. Small, light-weight and durable. I do up to 250 shows a year with it. Serious hours, serious abuse. It has held up great. Does it sound as good as my 16 channel Mackie CFX? No, but a little tweaking with the EQ and it's all peachy. Love it. On Fri, August 23, 2013 3:19 pm, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > Rick, > > Here's an idea from left field... > > From previous posts I surmised you had a RME Fireface UFX, right? Do you > know you can use it without your computer? Throw in a cheap midi > controller and it's a hell of a mixer... (only 4 preamps, though, but > plenty more balanced line inputs in the back). The kicker is that not > only > can you route anything to everything, you can save mix presets and change > between them at the press of a button. > > From the website: > > *Stand Alone Operation with Setup Recall* . Using the three rotary > encoders > and the clear colour display the Fireface UFX can be configured and set up > completely at the device. Additionally internal memory allows for the > permanent storage of six different states of the unit. Therefore the > Fireface UFX is able to operate fully stand-alone, without any connected > computer. In stand-alone operation it can transform into totally different > devices by the simple click of a button. Furthermore, in this mode > TotalMix > FX can also be controlled via MIDI. Application examples include: > 12-channel AD/DA converter, 4-channel mic preamp, monitor mixer, digital > format converter, analog/digital routing matrix. > http://www.rme-audio.de/en_products_fireface_ufx.php > > It doesn't exactly fit your wish list, but if you already have the RME, > you > could get a good rackbag with a drawer for mics, cables and midi > controllers and it won't cost you too much and would give you lots of > flexibility. > > Like I said, left field... > > Sylvain > Peterson Entertainment, Llc 999 East Basse Road #180-117 San Antonio, TX 78209 503-703-9516 -- www.noahpeterson.com www.petersonentertainment.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 20:38:07 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EF1F18355D; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 20:38:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=4VxOuMLKgwLT4bxFda14pkWdUqVA0sSh8bGDfMUtmv0=; b=crkedsxAcmewPqNdtF41j4WStoeWe+QYzLunmyMupVZXGEDsW6MJIEIjXgZaDou5yW zdMnQdetdBwvnicBnLYHK+FcZp6ioa0i8J+ZsUb4xu2bINg8vsdVAHtfJpEht3PUDZkA Ac18Ch+j0SZ8+EwrI9iMlI/Bz765qhFiNOUQ+9ZTPJgIbxwYxqEXL0EzlTrWqjL5uiV5 A4lPDTMKq6Xgq4wdeuugbSEhwsNopWGo90iPF/5GBpfPUwK0/vskzcJxQP3Tk0SVcfM/ XmVlMbzvh1jRCm7ezgLzH1CEbCwR4708Q516tjFn1dpiF7O3qgKZkASbDhS9m9KDjALY oP9A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.198.79 with SMTP id ja15mr1035711wic.36.1377290373947; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 13:39:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5bd5baffef9eafcb7014865f46cdbbba.squirrel@www.noahpeterson.com.hostbaby.com> References: <521738E8.8010906@cruzio.com> <97A9CF13B58A43FA80D730ECF132E1FA@Bedroom> <5bd5baffef9eafcb7014865f46cdbbba.squirrel@www.noahpeterson.com.hostbaby.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 16:39:33 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Best high quality,super compact mixer? From: Bennett Williams To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6242527de9f204e4a36710 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 20:38:07 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b6242527de9f204e4a36710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sound Devices 664 Field Mixer. Probably nothing better than that in terms of size, build quality, and sound. http://www.sounddevices.com/products/664/ On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Noah Peterson wrote: > I have to say it... I love my Behringer. Small, light-weight and durable. > I do up to 250 shows a year with it. Serious hours, serious abuse. It > has held up great. Does it sound as good as my 16 channel Mackie CFX? > No, but a little tweaking with the EQ and it's all peachy. > > Love it. > > > > On Fri, August 23, 2013 3:19 pm, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > > Rick, > > > > Here's an idea from left field... > > > > From previous posts I surmised you had a RME Fireface UFX, right? Do you > > know you can use it without your computer? Throw in a cheap midi > > controller and it's a hell of a mixer... (only 4 preamps, though, but > > plenty more balanced line inputs in the back). The kicker is that not > > only > > can you route anything to everything, you can save mix presets and change > > between them at the press of a button. > > > > From the website: > > > > *Stand Alone Operation with Setup Recall* . Using the three rotary > > encoders > > and the clear colour display the Fireface UFX can be configured and set > up > > completely at the device. Additionally internal memory allows for the > > permanent storage of six different states of the unit. Therefore the > > Fireface UFX is able to operate fully stand-alone, without any connected > > computer. In stand-alone operation it can transform into totally > different > > devices by the simple click of a button. Furthermore, in this mode > > TotalMix > > FX can also be controlled via MIDI. Application examples include: > > 12-channel AD/DA converter, 4-channel mic preamp, monitor mixer, digital > > format converter, analog/digital routing matrix. > > http://www.rme-audio.de/en_products_fireface_ufx.php > > > > It doesn't exactly fit your wish list, but if you already have the RME, > > you > > could get a good rackbag with a drawer for mics, cables and midi > > controllers and it won't cost you too much and would give you lots of > > flexibility. > > > > Like I said, left field... > > > > Sylvain > > > > > Peterson Entertainment, Llc > 999 East Basse Road #180-117 > San Antonio, TX 78209 > 503-703-9516 > -- > www.noahpeterson.com > www.petersonentertainment.com > > -- *Bennett Williams* * http://www.bennettwilliams.net http://bennettwilliams.bandcamp.com/ http://www.soundcloud.com/bennettwilliams* --047d7b6242527de9f204e4a36710 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sound Devices 664 Field Mixer. Probably nothing better tha= n that in terms of size, build quality, and sound.

http://www.sounddevi= ces.com/products/664/


On Fri, Aug 2= 3, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Noah Peterson <noah@noahpeterson.com> wrote:
I have to say it... I love my Behringer. Sma= ll, light-weight and durable.
I do up to 250 shows a year with it. =A0Serious hours, serious abuse. =A0It=
has held up great. =A0Does it sound as good as my 16 channel Mackie CFX? No, but a little tweaking with the EQ and it's all peachy.

Love it.



On Fri, August 23, 2013 3:19 pm, Sylvain Poitras wrote:
> Rick,
>
> Here's an idea from left field...
>
> From previous posts I surmised you had a RME Fireface UFX, right? =A0D= o you
> know you can use it without your computer? =A0Throw in a cheap midi > controller and it's a hell of a mixer... (only 4 preamps, though, = but
> plenty more balanced line inputs in the back). =A0The kicker is that n= ot
> only
> can you route anything to everything, you can save mix presets and cha= nge
> between them at the press of a button.
>
> From the website:
>
> *Stand Alone Operation with Setup Recall* . Using the three rota= ry
> encoders
> and the clear colour display the Fireface UFX can be configured and se= t up
> completely at the device. Additionally internal memory allows for the<= br> > permanent storage of six different states of the unit. Therefore the > Fireface UFX is able to operate fully stand-alone, without any connect= ed
> computer. In stand-alone operation it can transform into totally diffe= rent
> devices by the simple click of a button. Furthermore, in this mode
> TotalMix
> FX can also be controlled via MIDI. Application examples include:
> 12-channel AD/DA converter, 4-channel mic preamp, monitor mixer, digit= al
> format converter, analog/digital routing matrix.
> http://www.rme-audio.de/en_products_fireface_ufx.php
>
> It doesn't exactly fit your wish list, but if you already have the= RME,
> you
> could get a good rackbag with a drawer for mics, cables and midi
> controllers and it won't cost you too much and would give you lots= of
> flexibility.
>
> Like I said, left field...
>
> Sylvain
>


Peterson Entertainment, Llc
999 East Basse Road #180-117
San Antonio, TX 78209
503-703-9516
--
www.noahpeterson.= com
www.pete= rsonentertainment.com




--
Bennett Williams<= /b>

http://www.bennettwilliams.net
http://bennettwilliams.bandcamp.com/<= br> htt= p://www.soundcloud.com/bennettwilliams

--047d7b6242527de9f204e4a36710-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 21:18:29 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E50218355F; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 21:18:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com x-originating-ip: 208.109.97.160 Message-ID: <5217D1F8.6050703@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 17:19:52 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #855 for August 22, 2013. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 21:18:28 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/gt/playlists/2013/130822.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #855 August 22, 2013. WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels?playlist_date=08-22-2013 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Dan Pound. The Featured CD at Midnight was disk one from "Return To Other Worlds" on Pound Sounds.http://soundscapes.us/gt/playlists/2013/focus.html#aug PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== =============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Richard Bone Eucalyptico Images from a Parallel World (A.D. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 21:22:30 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1485183561; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 21:22:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 246232.64393.bm@omp1039.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1377293037; bh=qvo+F1US3QG/3SaJ8Wj2UEFmH2cyrBpC+MIMmmYiujs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BIHB8iW5Nb8AFnKmvE+O1leN6eR8lukzNtfQMU1B7o2A9PFpHXEluZlZu0Wb8pMnDPcHyezcNUFYLL4TFSPRTDogMrdp12BbbvzGOZcpt/JHLsVO/ixmxs9ni07MNhcdqjKN2rFRTJetNyAZMIyH1NOA/MTCvf/LLajMfgQ9fU4= X-YMail-OSG: 9LeM9IEVM1kkp4YLN0Zdo0nsqkTuf2vDd8QRMc_tq9Xm5Zd HcpYb3ZwFD1ycaOW0rdI5sDOGFsMoZKoYKJNR.ILI5EkVuEyey7UzunhwST_ PLfUCxpXj4FR_fJtFvaoFKPJ0pWqdusCNw0_ks3Abnu8m5uSfM1k__.UhpcG qBuh0C0qbGSBt6r5NxKAAOMw5Vp1kv_QkaT0Vi3OXA0mgiL8Wb6L8UWrAzLM j4K5m074BkY0dbUEp8uhe.zmoXNUXMgLU8Qh8Nx3plcUYPgvX_D1rs_r_AUU R2lAnrrCIpyo7KdhMlMVilLYdPilLmkvPjpJJENCck9y6cHn9AJDIVIAvLQM yd_vrGLYhjV0_aQk6dQsu22x1wGTqErWpTzJhSu1qbgQP_LkoUmwXzzfSi6R 2V8ZhfzDg1izN_G5h.LVxWCdTwGPLf6Ey1mEZB1tamwvRF7XcsgYBW9V2Luo z3i9l2t.UrfWiP1Hne.H3F784vDdCWUkM4_UISC1pGFKPqs7xONHcz83w6uS lB8sfO5hooKju9XbPhLJE1yEzNeNZLYNBjSZdYGsAUQu4qa8VwlzIfNhtte_ 6QHdHpK9_73vxEuRRnHdTqllpDYxe5mtISabhQVqLL_etm5yODZ5o0Lm6TZj bruyiXUdVJoU8TbwCEyg00PGNDvZR2X1NWx9Xxdvd490VEa19SgmqMYtMW40 PwGZdl8j1.Gv07g-- X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,CgpXaGF0IFRlZCBzYWlkLi4uCgpQcmV0dHkgaW1wcmVzc2l2ZSwgYW5kIHZpc3VhbGx5IGFwcGVhbGluZyBhcyB3ZWxsLiBPZiBjb3Vyc2UgSSBhbSB3b25kZXJpbmcgaWYgaXQnbGwgYmUgbWFkZSBpbiBhIHBlZGFsIGZvcm1hdCBhcyB3ZWxsLCBiZWNhdXNlIHRoYXQncyBqdXN0IG15IHdheS4gOy0pCgoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCiBGcm9tOiBUZWQgS2lsbGlhbiA8dGVka2lsbGlhbkBjaGFydGVyLm5ldD4KVG86IExvb3BlcnMtRGVsaWdodEBsb29wZXJzLWRlbGlnaHQuY28BMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.155.576 References: <2C57A5E3-CC05-4463-9F70-D5662CF5A3FE@baymoon.com> <520FB3E8.40808@tiscali.co.uk> <08975FA0-5010-4DB6-A61E-AFC319B49977@gmail.com> <87D91A31-145B-4079-B1DF-C951BD0560D2@charter.net> Message-ID: <1377293036.73065.YahooMailNeo@web120304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 14:23:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Mungenast Reply-To: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: McMillan 12 step anyone? To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <87D91A31-145B-4079-B1DF-C951BD0560D2@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="877965879-509657825-1377293036=:73065" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 21:22:29 +0000 (UTC) --877965879-509657825-1377293036=:73065 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What Ted said... Pretty impressive, and visually appealing as well. Of course I am wondering if it'll be made in a pedal format as well, because that's just my way. ;-) ________________________________ From: Ted Killian To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 10:46 AM Subject: Re: McMillan 12 step anyone? Matthias, And while the list has your attention, what's happening with your EvoLoop hardware looper project? As seen at: The looping world wants to know. :-) Ted On Aug 23, 2013, at 7:20 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: > On 17.08.2013, at 19:33, andy butler wrote: > >> William Walker wrote: >>> well the first important thing I learned about Mobius and Echoloop is they both would rather be triggered with midi notes. Ugh! >> >> Echoloop also has a setting where it can be triggered by PC. >> (but indeed, SUS commands are out...although possible that QuantSUS could work, I'm not sure) >> >> ...but they have to be the right value...so the controller still needs to be programmed. > > it works with CC just as well as with notes >> >>> one has used the 12 step? certain features make it more interesting and seemingly more out of the box use-able than the Soft Step for midi note driven software loopers, >> >> "chromatic layout" ...could mean the layout isn't user configurable. >> >> The fact that CC and PC are not assignable to switches also points >> to this being intended for melodic playing of an instrument. >> >> Indeed, all the available literature points to this. >> >> If this is true it would work with fine Mobius >> (with some programming of Mobius) >> and not at all with Echoloop. >> > I think it will work fine since we can set the note or CC for Record in Echoloop and then the main funcions just follow > if you want some more special funcion or sequence you can reassign the note # in some table tool in Bidule or whatever MIDI patch tool --877965879-509657825-1377293036=:73065 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

What Ted said...

Pretty impressive, and visually appealing as well. Of course I am wondering if it'll be made in a pedal format as well, because that's just my way. ;-)


From: Ted Killian <tedkillian@charter.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: McMillan 12 step anyone?

Matthias,

And while the list has your attention, what's happening with your EvoLoop hardware looper project?

As seen at: <http://www.evoloop.org/>

The looping world wants to know.

:-)

Ted

On Aug 23, 2013, at 7:20 AM, Matthias Grob wrote:

> On 17.08.2013, at 19:33, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> William Walker wrote:
>>> well the first important thing I learned about Mobius and Echoloop is they both would rather be triggered with midi notes. Ugh!
>>
>> Echoloop also has a setting where it can be triggered by PC.
>> (but indeed, SUS commands are out...although possible that QuantSUS could work, I'm not sure)
>>
>> ...but they have to be the right value...so the controller still needs to be programmed.
>
> it works with CC just as well as with notes
>>
>>> one has used the 12 step? certain features make it more interesting and seemingly more out of the box use-able than the Soft Step for midi note driven software loopers,
>>
>> "chromatic layout" ...could mean the layout isn't user configurable.
>>
>> The fact that CC and PC are not assignable to switches also points
>> to this being intended for melodic playing of an instrument.
>>
>> Indeed, all the available literature points to this.
>>
>> If this is true it would work with fine Mobius
>> (with some programming of Mobius)
>> and not at all with Echoloop.
>>
> I think it will work fine since we can set the note or CC for Record in Echoloop and then the main funcions just follow
> if you want some more special funcion or sequence you can reassign the note # in some table tool in Bidule or whatever MIDI patch tool



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To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <97A9CF13B58A43FA80D730ECF132E1FA@Bedroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="97335089-94261402-1377351739=:65589" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 13:40:56 +0000 (UTC) --97335089-94261402-1377351739=:65589 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0ACoyote Elk Speaks! :D=0A=0AThanks, all of you. Good to see so much usefu= l advice from so many smart, experienced people.=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________= _________________=0A From: Douglas Baldwin =0ATo: L= oopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Friday, August 23, 2013 3:22 PM= =0ASubject: Re: Re: Best high quality,super compact mixer?=0A =0A=0A=0A =0A= Howdy Rick & Loopers all - =0AMy fave rave mixer is the Soundcraft EPM seri= es. I use the EPM6 for my =0Alooping gigs, and a Soundcraft Gigrac 1000 for= band gigs. Very transparent, =0Arugged construction, versatile, and a grea= t feel to the controls - you roll =0Asomething back to 10:00, you HEAR it, = and you can keep rolling back and HEARING =0Athe change.=0Ahttp://www.sound= craft.com/index.aspx=0A=0ADouglas Baldwin=0AAlpha Coyote=0Acoyotelk@optonli= ne.net=0Awww.TheCoyote.org=0Awww.facebook.com/people/Douglas-Baldwin=0A=A0= =0A"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production= =0Adeadlines or dates by which bills must be paid. =0A-- Frank Zappa =0A= =0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: MasterMuso =0A>To: Loopers-Deligh= t@loopers-delight.com =0A>Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 9:57 AM=0A>Subject= : Re: Re: Best high quality,super compact mixer?=0A>=0A>=0A>When money is = no object:=0A>=0A>http://www.sonosax.ch/mixers/mixers_index.html=0A>=0A>=0A= >=0A>=0A>On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Rick Walker wrote:=0A>=0A>On 8/22/2013 6:51 PM, Richard Sales wrote:=0A>>=0A>>Hey Ric= k =0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>Wild idea - Don't know if this is even possible but a = cool idea would be to send your broken Mackie to the guy, I think his name = is Jim Williams, at Audio Upgrades. =A0IF HE WORKS ON MACKIES, he could t= urn it into a very high end, tank built little mixer. =A0I think the url i= s www.audioupgrades.com.=A0=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>This way you'd be towing the '= sustainable' line AND getting a serious mixer out of the deal.=0A>>>=0A>>>= =0A>>>I've been surprised at how reasonable some of his upgrades are. =0A>= >This might be a great suggestion and I thank you for it, Richard,=A0 =0A>= >but I have to =0A say,=A0 this mixer has been with me=A0 in 15 differen= t countries over =0A ten years =0A>>and it's beat to absolute hell, phys= ically................the =0A case it's self is starting to come apart.= =0A>>=0A>>Two of the channels are =0A completely dead and my surmise is = that I can get a new mixer for less =0A>>than the cost of a repair.=0A>>=0A= >>I also, would love something that is =0A lighter weight for putting in= a suitcase since I seem to be =0A>>a virtual =0A luddite and insist on = staying with my hardware loopers on tour.=0A>>=0A>>I'll =0A look into it= , though.=A0 Thanks as always for generously looking after =0A me, my fr= iend!=0A>>=0A>>yours,=A0 =0ARick=0A>>=0A> --97335089-94261402-1377351739=:65589 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Coyote Elk Speaks! :D

Thanks, all of you. Good to see so much= useful advice from so many smart, experienced people.

<= div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-siz= e: 12pt;">

From: Douglas Baldwin &= lt;coyotelk@optonline.net>
To:= Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Best high quali= ty,super compact mixer?
<= br>
=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A
=0A
Howdy= Rick & Loopers all -
=0A
My fave rave mixer is the Soundcraf= t EPM series. I use the EPM6 for my =0Alooping gigs, and a Soundcraft Gigra= c 1000 for band gigs. Very transparent, =0Arugged construction, versatile, = and a great feel to the controls - you roll =0Asomething back to 10:00, you= HEAR it, and you can keep rolling back and HEARING =0Athe change.
=0A= =0A=0A
 
=0A"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production = =0Adeadlines or dates by which bills must be paid.
-- Frank Zappa
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=0A ----- Original Message -----
=0A
From: =0A MasterMuso =0A =0A <= div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial;">Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 9:57 = =0A AM
=0A
Subject: Re: Re: B= est high quality,super =0A compact mixer?
=0A

=0A When money is no object:

http://= www.sonosax.ch/mixers/mixers_index.html
=0A


=0A
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:=0A
=0A
=0A =
=0A
On 8/22/2013 6:51 PM, Richard= Sales wrote:
=0A
He= y Rick =0A

=0A Wild idea - Don't know if this is even possible but a =0A= cool idea would be to send your broken Mackie to the guy, I think his= name =0A is Jim Williams, at Audio Upgrades.  IF HE WORKS ON MAC= KIES, he could =0A turn it into a very high end, tank built little mix= er.  I think the =0A url is www.audioupgrades.com
=0A

=0A
This way you'd be towing the 'sustainable' line AND =0A = getting a serious mixer out of the deal.
=0A

=0A
I've been surprise= d at how reasonable some of his =0A upgrades are.

This might be a great =0A suggestion and I thank you for= it, Richard, 
but I have to =0A say,  this mixer has been= with me  in 15 different countries over =0A ten years
and it's= beat to absolute hell, physically................the =0A case it's self= is starting to come apart.

Two of the channels are =0A completel= y dead and my surmise is that I can get a new mixer for less =0A
tha= n the cost of a repair.

I also, would love something that is =0A = lighter weight for putting in a suitcase since I seem to be
a virtual = =0A luddite and insist on staying with my hardware loopers on tour.
<= br>I'll =0A look into it, though.  Thanks as always for generously = looking after =0A me, my friend!

yours,  =0ARick

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--97335089-94261402-1377351739=:65589-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 23:33:34 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74C0E18355E; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 23:33:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=cmb9TKWhO3kxc3uSkHo9JYwsp2/CvQ91Vg0IKe4/AtY=; b=gHwzq/hZJvTAtA79yX8QEHPE8wEWEydid05+TMWhl43ZyLsuOwZHZRsQw/QQHMAgl8 p2NLW9Nmk7rsgMB/jZObKGjFIHs4lqFwkL6YqO00/cjpCan/1YgeBHOiSqg9hgFWyiRG hDP/7wcMM+UXhOOz4+hlh02ieFfuSdnSH4/Omk/JV46a7RDpw7Qt2O5sjXyeFWWGCPqY d7G2jCKc4g/Jl7332mShG3OY1joy3Qm8iWvOvbxxuyUceA148Gc1ndC5np+oZtvpm/Mz u+d2uvngQiipwSPAh8U5uitvVL0lfqMH91UdS8b6KYX9HHGwN5dGmv5xtjn+Nxqaxw1f YfCg== X-Received: by 10.68.130.2 with SMTP id oa2mr100625pbb.134.1377387295066; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 16:34:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 01:34:34 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: usd07cUak7yClBbMhWm-T0zsSs4 Message-ID: Subject: Programming slightly more advanced midi stuff To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b10cfb170d02c04e4b9f8db Resent-Message-ID: <2CneN.A.Ue.NLUGSB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 23:33:33 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b10cfb170d02c04e4b9f8db Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi All! I have really taken advantage of all my old hardware with the use of the Amazing missing link, http://wifimidi.com/ (unfortunately my wife is allergic to Wifi, so I have to wait till she is out to fire it up) But being able to get at and attach a fantastic control on my iPad, has really opened up some old boxes. Now the time has come for the Roland EF-303 http://www.sonicstate.com/digital/model.cfm?modelID=1596&manid=1&manuf=1 Its fantastic as a sequenceble effects unit, and designed for that, but kinda "thrown in" is a clone 303 synch. Sounds great, but as its a bit of an extra, the controls are not as "Hands on" as the processing part. Kinda hidden way are ADSR controls, for both amp and filter, quantise to Key, quantise to various Scales, Gate time, slide time, rest, ties.. and lots more. None available via knobs, all a bit menu-ish. FEAR NOT... QUESTION APPROACHETH But when I look in the manual for some nice CC numbers... Hmm, its a tad advanced for me... Although I can see these things listed, I think they as Sysex commands... and,,, guess what... "Ive never used them... boo hoo" I dont know how to take the weird codes and "use em"! To program in TouchOSC for the missing link I use this (by our own Bernard Wagner) http://wifimidi.com/midi-message-generator/ There is a SysEx thingy, but I dont know HOW to read the manual, and translate what IM seeing to what is shown on Mr Wagners clever page. So for you geeks edification I present the EF-303 manual... http://www.markfrancombe.com/Roland_EF_303.pdf All I need is an example of how to program ONE of the parameters for one of the steps in the sequencer. For example: S1 (step 1) GATE TIME. Which is shown on page 74 of the manual Please REFER TO the message generator mentioned above. I think if I can do one I can do them all! It may be that its not possible, if so.. tell me... I can take it! And Please... NO ONE SAY, "Do it in Bidule"... Just for the record, I dont use computers for music. OK? Thanks so much... Mark -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe --047d7b10cfb170d02c04e4b9f8db Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All!

I have really taken advantage o= f all my old hardware with the use of the Amazing missing link,
http://wifimidi.com/
(unfortunately my wif= e is allergic to Wifi, so I have to wait till she is out to fire it up) But being able to get at and attach a fantastic control on my iPad, has rea= lly opened up some old boxes.

Its fantastic as a sequenceble effects unit, and designed for that, bu= t kinda "thrown in" is a clone 303 synch. Sounds great, but as it= s a bit of an extra, the controls are not as "Hands on" as the pr= ocessing part. Kinda hidden way are ADSR controls, for both amp and filter,= quantise to Key, quantise to various Scales, Gate time, slide time, rest, = ties.. and lots more.
None available via knobs, all a bit menu-ish.

FEAR NOT...= QUESTION APPROACHETH
But when I look in the manual for some nice= CC numbers... Hmm, its a tad advanced for me...
Although I can see thes= e things listed, I think they as Sysex commands... and,,, guess what...

"Ive never used them... boo hoo"
I dont know how to take the weird codes and "use em"= !

To program in TouchOSC for the missing link I use this (by our own= Bernard Wagner)

There is a S= ysEx thingy, but I dont know HOW to read the manual, and translate what IM = seeing to what is shown on Mr Wagners clever page.

So for you geeks edification I present the EF-303 manual...
<= br>

All I need i= s an example of how to program ONE of the parameters for one of the steps i= n the sequencer. For example:
=A0S1 (step 1) GATE TIME.
Which is shown on page 74 of the m= anual
Please REFER TO the message generator mentioned above.
<= br>
I think if I can do one I can do them all!

It may be t= hat its not possible, if so.. tell me... I can take it!


And Please... NO ONE SAY, "Do it in Bidu= le"...

Just for the record, I dont use comput= ers for music. OK?

Thanks so much...

Mark





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<= i style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(255,255,255);background= -color:rgb(0,0,0)">Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
--047d7b10cfb170d02c04e4b9f8db-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 10:58:58 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4A33183562; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 10:58:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2605 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at arsenic; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 10:58:56 UTC Message-ID: <5219D990.1000302@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 11:16:48 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: KILL SWITCH/electric guitar recommendations? References: <52173B0A.2010904@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <52173B0A.2010904@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 10:58:57 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker wrote: > I also suppose that it wouldn't be too difficult to have a switch that > reversed the function of each "kill switch". To do this passively this would require a 2 pole switch for each kill. (harder to find something with a good action). To do it actively would be possible. Don't know if he was the innovator, but Mick Ronson was using his p/u switch as a kill way back in the 70's. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 11:26:44 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 702F418355E; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 11:26:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5219EA3C.9050203@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 04:27:56 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sylvain Poitras , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Re: Re: Best high quality,super compact mixer? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080409040900040800000404" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 11:26:43 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080409040900040800000404 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 8/23/2013 1:19 PM, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > Rick, > > Here's an idea from left field... > > From previous posts I surmised you had a RME Fireface UFX, right? *No, a wealthy client of mine has one. I can't afford one. If I did, I'd be all over that sh*t!!!! lol* --------------080409040900040800000404 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
On 8/23/2013 1:19 PM, Sylvain Poitras wrote:
Rick, 

Here's an idea from left field...

From previous posts I surmised you had a RME Fireface UFX, right?

No,   a wealthy client of mine has one.   I can't afford one.  If I did,  I'd be all over that sh*t!!!!   lol

--------------080409040900040800000404-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 15:28:26 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90201183559; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 15:28:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 488 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at arsenic; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 15:28:26 UTC Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0529302307==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20130825152147.16610.94249.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 11:21:48 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: Programming slightly more advanced midi stuff DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20121106; t=1377444098; bh=Cbf4uTuAKH6LRIbTO1UB4avwEcnC4P+/CHirbhDK1/k=; h=Received:Received:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-Id:Reply-to: From:Date:To:Subject; b=X9YNHLUojbo5tj4fpGlTmXUENCa0lHYDoLf39JZifmqMa/vluD5+izmlnVPG9Vs3z IXjSt1/TuNYN5QDrBcyW/7o7au5vRFRstLfkNofVCLd1ybU1bJwgF4KJGdh3kD673S Q5vCWY5vvvBRJDHo2ExC7qDEQT/UrihKkbS+ABKeDclTN4k75IfT/4yqRttbTqIrbE eXIfsP532NsbNJEFSZEQ9gSxVhzkhGThkdZeOsFoQGTptrpNhcbWSZCHqksQKF7KI5 WrJJ3VdRBMf3DIUfD3aYfNPsSYSXh/Rjk52uCIqR39hxXrJO6e4fAIJuj380jL3jiO KQvj2O58T2A0Q== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 15:28:26 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0529302307== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Allergic=20to=20Wifi?=20Is=20Wifi=20some=20kind=20of=20substance=20or=20som= ething?=20lol Tyler=20Z On=20Sun,=2025=20Aug=202013=2001:34:34=20+0200,=20mark=20francombe=20wrote: >Hi=20All! >I=20have=20really=20taken=20advantage=20of=20all=20my=20old=20hardware=20w= ith=20the=20use=20of=20the=20 >Amazing=20missing=20link, >http://wifimidi.com/ >(unfortunately=20my=20wife=20is=20allergic=20to=20Wifi,=20so=20I=20have=20= to=20wait=20till=20she=20is=20out=20 >to=20fire=20it=20up) >But=20being=20able=20to=20get=20at=20and=20attach=20a=20fantastic=20contro= l=20on=20my=20iPad,=20has=20really=20 >opened=20up=20some=20old=20boxes. >Now=20the=20time=20has=20come=20for=20the=20Roland=20EF-303 >http://www.sonicstate.com/digital/model.cfm?modelID=3D1596&manid=3D1&manuf= =3D1 >Its=20fantastic=20as=20a=20sequenceble=20effects=20unit,=20and=20designed= =20for=20that,=20but=20kinda=20 >"thrown=20in"=20is=20a=20clone=20303=20synch.=20Sounds=20great,=20but=20as= =20its=20a=20bit=20of=20an=20extra,=20 >the=20controls=20are=20not=20as=20"Hands=20on"=20as=20the=20processing=20p= art.=20Kinda=20hidden=20way=20are=20 >ADSR=20controls,=20for=20both=20amp=20and=20filter,=20quantise=20to=20Key,= =20quantise=20to=20various=20 >Scales,=20Gate=20time,=20slide=20time,=20rest,=20ties..=20and=20lots=20mor= e. >None=20available=20via=20knobs,=20all=20a=20bit=20menu-ish. >FEAR=20NOT...=20QUESTION=20APPROACHETH >But=20when=20I=20look=20in=20the=20manual=20for=20some=20nice=20CC=20numbe= rs...=20Hmm,=20its=20a=20tad=20 >advanced=20for=20me... >Although=20I=20can=20see=20these=20things=20listed,=20I=20think=20they=20a= s=20Sysex=20commands...=20 >and,,,=20guess=20what... >"Ive=20never=20used=20them...=20boo=20hoo" >I=20dont=20know=20how=20to=20take=20the=20weird=20codes=20and=20"use=20em"! >To=20program=20in=20TouchOSC=20for=20the=20missing=20link=20I=20use=20this= =20(by=20our=20own=20Bernard=20 >Wagner) >http://wifimidi.com/midi-message-generator/ >There=20is=20a=20SysEx=20thingy,=20but=20I=20dont=20know=20HOW=20to=20read= =20the=20manual,=20and=20translate=20 >what=20IM=20seeing=20to=20what=20is=20shown=20on=20Mr=20Wagners=20clever= =20page. >So=20for=20you=20geeks=20edification=20I=20present=20the=20EF-303=20manual= ... >http://www.markfrancombe.com/Roland_EF_303.pdf >All=20I=20need=20is=20an=20example=20of=20how=20to=20program=20ONE=20of=20= the=20parameters=20for=20one=20of=20the=20 >steps=20in=20the=20sequencer.=20For=20example: >S1=20(step=201)=20GATE=20TIME. >Which=20is=20shown=20on=20page=2074=20of=20the=20manual >Please=20REFER=20TO=20the=20message=20generator=20mentioned=20above. >I=20think=20if=20I=20can=20do=20one=20I=20can=20do=20them=20all! >It=20may=20be=20that=20its=20not=20possible,=20if=20so..=20tell=20me...=20= I=20can=20take=20it! >And=20Please...=20NO=20ONE=20SAY,=20"Do=20it=20in=20Bidule"... >Just=20for=20the=20record,=20I=20dont=20use=20computers=20for=20music.=20O= K? >Thanks=20so=20much... >Mark >--=20 >Mark=20Francombe >www.markfrancombe.com >www.ordoabkhao.com >http://vimeo.com/user825094 >http://www.looop.no >twitter=20@markfrancombe --===============0529302307==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 16:12:23 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3D9818355D; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 16:12:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-08-25_06:2013-08-23,2013-08-25,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1308250121 Subject: Re: Best high quality,super compact mixer? References: <5219EA3C.9050203@cruzio.com> From: Andrrew Owens Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-32885940-1BF2-4512-9D5D-53E193CFFA1B X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B329) In-reply-to: <5219EA3C.9050203@cruzio.com> Message-id: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 12:13:25 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit MIME-version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: <0SiFzC.A.6yH.nziGSB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 16:12:23 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-32885940-1BF2-4512-9D5D-53E193CFFA1B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have one....so? On Aug 25, 2013, at 7:27 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 8/23/2013 1:19 PM, Sylvain Poitras wrote: >> Rick,=20 >>=20 >> Here's an idea from left field... >>=20 >> =46rom previous posts I surmised you had a RME Fireface UFX, r= ight? >=20 > No, a wealthy client of mine has one. I can't afford one. If I did, I= 'd be all over that sh*t!!!! lol >=20 --Apple-Mail-32885940-1BF2-4512-9D5D-53E193CFFA1B Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I have one....so?

On Aug 25, 2013, at 7:27 AM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

On 8/23/2013 1:19 PM, Sylvain Poitras wrote:
Rick, 

Here's an idea from left field...

From previous posts I surmised you had a RME Fireface UFX, right?

No,   a wealthy client of mine has one.   I can't afford one.  If I did,  I'd be all over that sh*t!!!!   lol

--Apple-Mail-32885940-1BF2-4512-9D5D-53E193CFFA1B-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 16:29:50 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A51EF18355F; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 16:29:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 198617.44152.bm@omp1027.mail.ir2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1377448268; bh=vi2l4XK26LP/sE9m7H78ZuheV2fNu1N5AHE0dmwF7Zs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=d4FsZBp1pPBUDWXSVs+rBjbwsYMCSaeuan9kSobZaK4ln29Z2k+aheddEGScnGBIR6vqBreKa4nFUAfUevUWZlxGQe5t16Q3+cJ66RAhYn3w9SlvhNJ1/uSJrx9oMKTpJNpXVA0h6xOrxEyIihiIgCz+VJ4DjnrfiCFgi8l6OB0= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gPubvQ9ZTrJgmyufUo+Y1CRqBQ12yWvpKECkyEk5SJg15R8kxEZHEPcMiWxw+7Z5GdOQWGAuBMG7GcaJaq9pdm5FQeLQ3EeJL48b5qI87CVnGEdqV+n+d6EDHgMNkfKCsIcBAPVPi3Q77g37L19NCvujGmVth6jsZJsKAIy2o8Y=; X-YMail-OSG: cCUpqb4VM1lUF3KfbWAy5uB5jN4NTXAq.SeCuaQlmkbHNGo PkEbjBMrxPstfD9GUXHSWRjVxrbb.SJ71TGKd6WWRJ8NfMD2.chWJO.xHFmM EzNNpU_71a9qkHxexcLYr7DeDdJfl5aVxKerYJqVftsDoTzdHgqgnQlTilkz MLt6wd3syZWXBMv2gJl2UlkWQNacI4Uh.U2u1nNH35JYgzPCEFqC3FiK.JRW ScUO2b2QGuaLdSWwFrMMwZvu_tAac6sDA72S181RD9drVhjHU.Qbl_Jy8XY6 DdUIDkEiqQHK_muu5xBWvaqtBVu_ndWncnEDPJsQd2Ezv9O1mKyor1Jk_W3O 6ClNEOsiitsJtisURmWSDo3BIG2d0HjpWLF1KX0fp8U7u6Y_RsATHNaulPvo 3vsIXUf8bdjH4CxHtFQJigMBkUlEPp7_qnCBaXH_K9GaNtz6XQTksll4nmxc gvH50E9ZeoKteP49kgIYA61RkqN3Aj6O3BR5diiqDJz3UT8zYPjfZGje17FR JjaHvFIFwVMSbPILHWhs- X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,Z3JlZXRpbmdzLAo.Cj4KPkkgbmVlZCBhIHdvcmQgb2YgYWR2aWNlIGZyb20gdGhlIHN0cmVldCB3aXNlIGxvb3BpbmcgcGxheWVycyBvdXQgdGhlcmUuIEkgYW0gcHV0dGluZyB0b2dldGhlciBhIHJpZyB0byBwbGF5IGluIHRoZSBzdHJlZXQuIE9uZSBvcHRpb24sIGZyb20gd2hhdCBJIHJlYWQsIGlzIHRvIGNob3NlIGVxdWlwbWVudCB3aGljaCBpcyBub3QgYmF0dGVyeSBwb3dlcmVkIGFuZCB0byBhZGQgYSBjYXIgYmF0dGVyeSBhbmQgaW52ZXJ0ZXIuCj4KPgo.SSBhbSBsb29raW5nIHRvIGdvIHRoYXQgcm8BMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.155.576 References: <5219EA3C.9050203@cruzio.com> Message-ID: <1377448267.67611.YahooMailNeo@web171704.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 17:31:07 +0100 (BST) From: Antony Hequet Reply-To: Antony Hequet Subject: street rig To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="147469114-1400377240-1377448267=:67611" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 16:29:50 +0000 (UTC) --147469114-1400377240-1377448267=:67611 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable greetings,=0A>=0A>=0A>I need a word of advice from the street wise looping = players out there. I am putting together a rig to play in the street. One o= ption, from what I read, is to chose equipment which is not battery powered= and to add a car battery and inverter.=0A>=0A>=0A>I am looking to go that = route with =A0a Boss RC 505 and Phil Jones bass two channel BG 100 Bass Cub= .=0A>=0A>=0A>By the way, I sing, play blues harp and Chapman Stick.=0A>=0A>= =0A>Any of you with knowledge and experience in this area, please help me m= ake some wise battery and inverter choices, and maybe some advuce about how= to make it into a nice rig on wheels...=0A>=0A>=0A>Antony Hequet=0A>poet c= omposer=0A>=0A> --147469114-1400377240-1377448267=:67611 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
greetings,

I need a word of advice from the street wise looping players out= there. I am putting together a rig to play in the street. One option, from= what I read, is to chose equipment which is not battery powered and to add= a car battery and inverter.

I am looking t= o go that route with  a Boss RC 505 and Phil Jones bass two channel BG= 100 Bass Cub.

By the way, I sing, play blues harp= and Chapman Stick.

Any of you with knowledge and expe= rience in this area, please help me make some wise battery and inverter cho= ices, and maybe some advuce about how to make it into a nice rig on wheels.= ..

Antony Hequet
poet composer
=0A
=0A =0A=0A


<= /body> --147469114-1400377240-1377448267=:67611-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 16:38:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D62FF183559; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 16:38:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=u7XPH/HLuBPvNCfJntcblDGsYHteQ8Ih1rTff2fCXBc=; b=0ktHE4MSb9Q7lLdP/7UyBVUyctyoE6OVCk+6cvNdijg908vSONLz5z9ICtVzMEoLB1 k+ggYLFP4gTxuuxYk+E6DMZsSU0bxtRI5JgaUcqJdnmodkf6rj2I2SizPKh8WDBXJQEp dfUKnlQC5Q6F5xLhmq+qfJ+1RDJT42tUjdoC15mjSElWYjE157f3dW/okJL1aekFMUuv v7IzmvLk1u4sEXeaVkjvga+lhSiD5TvA339INF4tLW0an5UBGnKiiyuuHN8w9LOUjzXk HIEQNAD3NYe5hl1XDhPlXwR3AuFYjDDFsOMOzjir29qFeJED2zBza1xURAmDZ15YpL8M VxAA== X-Received: by 10.68.210.103 with SMTP id mt7mr1478655pbc.179.1377448761718; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 09:39:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 18:39:01 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: vNW4R2MAbefvfo8XPUAA2ypyGps Message-ID: Subject: Re: Programming slightly more advanced midi stuff To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b15af0b2380e204e4c8482e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 16:38:03 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b15af0b2380e204e4c8482e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Tyler wrote: > Allergic to Wifi? Is Wifi some kind of substance or something? lol > Tyler Z > yep its a form of radiation. I think we all know what THAT can do... http://www.electrosensitivesociety.com/ http://www.electrosensitivity.org.uk/ Its a controversial issue, that is far from being believed by the scientific community, (who are after all wanting to sell us all the new tech shit they can, all I know is that my wife is seriously suffering, (weirdly it started after she had had a year of radiation therapy for Cancer) so much so that we have had to move out of the city, which is very annoying for me, having left my house and studio in town, unfortunately a laugh out loud at her would probably resulted in divorce, or at least would have been less than supportive, Im guessing you arnt married Tyler? LOL Mark > On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 01:34:34 +0200, mark francombe wrote: > > > > >Hi All! > >I have really taken advantage of all my old hardware with the use of the > >Amazing missing link, > >http://wifimidi.com/ > >(unfortunately my wife is allergic to Wifi, so I have to wait till she is > out > >to fire it up) > >But being able to get at and attach a fantastic control on my iPad, has > really > >opened up some old boxes. > >Now the time has come for the Roland EF-303 > >http://www.sonicstate.com/digital/model.cfm?modelID=1596&manid=1&manuf=1 > >Its fantastic as a sequenceble effects unit, and designed for that, but > kinda > >"thrown in" is a clone 303 synch. Sounds great, but as its a bit of an > extra, > >the controls are not as "Hands on" as the processing part. Kinda hidden > way are > >ADSR controls, for both amp and filter, quantise to Key, quantise to > various > >Scales, Gate time, slide time, rest, ties.. and lots more. > >None available via knobs, all a bit menu-ish. > >FEAR NOT... QUESTION APPROACHETH > >But when I look in the manual for some nice CC numbers... Hmm, its a tad > >advanced for me... > >Although I can see these things listed, I think they as Sysex commands... > >and,,, guess what... > >"Ive never used them... boo hoo" > >I dont know how to take the weird codes and "use em"! > >To program in TouchOSC for the missing link I use this (by our own Bernard > >Wagner) > >http://wifimidi.com/midi-message-generator/ > >There is a SysEx thingy, but I dont know HOW to read the manual, and > translate > >what IM seeing to what is shown on Mr Wagners clever page. > >So for you geeks edification I present the EF-303 manual... > >http://www.markfrancombe.com/Roland_EF_303.pdf > >All I need is an example of how to program ONE of the parameters for one > of the > >steps in the sequencer. For example: > >S1 (step 1) GATE TIME. > >Which is shown on page 74 of the manual > >Please REFER TO the message generator mentioned above. > >I think if I can do one I can do them all! > >It may be that its not possible, if so.. tell me... I can take it! > >And Please... NO ONE SAY, "Do it in Bidule"... > >Just for the record, I dont use computers for music. OK? > >Thanks so much... > >Mark > >-- > >Mark Francombe > >www.markfrancombe.com > >www.ordoabkhao.com > >http://vimeo.com/user825094 > >http://www.looop.no > >twitter @markfrancombe > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe --047d7b15af0b2380e204e4c8482e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Tyler &= lt;programme= r651@comcast.net> wrote:
Allergic to Wifi? Is Wifi some kind of substance or someth= ing? lol
Tyler Z

yep its a form of radiation. I = think we all know what THAT can do...



Its= a controversial issue, that is far from being believed by the scientific c= ommunity, (who are after all wanting to sell us all the new tech shit they = can, all I know is that my wife is seriously suffering, (weirdly it started= after she had had a year of radiation therapy for Cancer)=A0so much so tha= t we have had to move out of the city, which is very annoying for me, havin= g left my house and studio in town, unfortunately a laugh out loud at her w= ould probably resulted in divorce, or at least would have been less than su= pportive,=A0
Im guessing you arnt married Tyler?

LOL
=

Mark



=
=A0
On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 01:34:34 +0200, mark = francombe wrote:



>Hi All!
>I have really taken advantage of all my old hardware with the use of th= e
>Amazing missing link,
>http://wifimidi.com/=
>(unfortunately my wife is allergic to Wifi, so I have to wait till she = is out
>to fire it up)
>But being able to get at and attach a fantastic control on my iPad, has= really
>opened up some old boxes.
>Now the time has come for the Roland EF-303
>http://www.sonicstate.com/dig= ital/model.cfm?modelID=3D1596&manid=3D1&manuf=3D1
>Its fantastic as a sequenceble effects unit, and designed for that, but= kinda
>"thrown in" is a clone 303 synch. Sounds great, but as its a = bit of an extra,
>the controls are not as "Hands on" as the processing part. Ki= nda hidden way are
>ADSR controls, for both amp and filter, quantise to Key, quantise to va= rious
>Scales, Gate time, slide time, rest, ties.. and lots more.
>None available via knobs, all a bit menu-ish.
>FEAR NOT... QUESTION APPROACHETH
>But when I look in the manual for some nice CC numbers... Hmm, its a ta= d
>advanced for me...
>Although I can see these things listed, I think they as Sysex commands.= ..
>and,,, guess what...
>"Ive never used them... boo hoo"
>I dont know how to take the weird codes and "use em"!
>To program in TouchOSC for the missing link I use this (by our own Bern= ard
>Wagner)
>http://wifimidi.com/midi-message-generator/
>There is a SysEx thingy, but I dont know HOW to read the manual, and tr= anslate
>what IM seeing to what is shown on Mr Wagners clever page.
>So for you geeks edification I present the EF-303 manual...
>http://www.markfrancombe.com/Roland_EF_303.pdf
>All I need is an example of how to program ONE of the parameters for on= e of the
>steps in the sequencer. For example:
>S1 (step 1) GATE TIME.
>Which is shown on page 74 of the manual
>Please REFER TO the message generator mentioned above.
>I think if I can do one I can do them all!
>It may be that its not possible, if so.. tell me... I can take it!
>And Please... NO ONE SAY, "Do it in Bidule"...
>Just for the record, I dont use computers for music. OK?
>Thanks so much...
>Mark
>--
>Mark Francombe
>www.markfran= combe.com
>www.ordoabkhao.= com
>http://vimeo.= com/user825094
>http://www.looop.no
>twitter @markfrancombe




--
=
--047d7b15af0b2380e204e4c8482e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 16:54:01 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4367518355F; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 16:54:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3IvVmjUckU2F0ibOPM7A/dNLA86H5rBNwcNx9dqZTUs=; b=m6g8ZddTBYyDpEZVLF/hV48VIZRtDB76Pqsi7GXvphtP6KuEFwk06wqCkS+kZxL40c NYcls5x88xaAYyYhsG6mSx4V5cbZmtsYhBb+jy8iw5les6B23E+nHegSad1NpnvsQEXJ NlHxAyd1usprSaX0eqKiSs7xTSCjKU6i14au8si1DJABcskBg+haJi535Jm1qTswxTK8 SyyUyXuoxch2Sz3FSReggFbmvwqmPIBMtvcmxayFS9oEA4twgc3I6kFMOpZJxXorPGPH O3TfdGRl5iY+ka5gZzQIwATRU4rYA5703a5XSMn6x3NUFtPqwgz88Fx6kxsvW1wq4aAB AzhA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlZCbxfxrPdNqE9cx60sENMNgPE2NRn/ka4QSP1oGL6swWaOCrMbyO1bWZTnpfsl6alguZs MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.36.50 with SMTP id n18mr4708570wij.8.1377449718278; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 09:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 09:55:18 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: WiFi From: Richard Sales To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013d1ea4277c1904e4c88192 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 16:54:00 +0000 (UTC) --089e013d1ea4277c1904e4c88192 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I meant to send the below to the whole list but it just went to Tyler. I'm resending to support Mark: On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Richard Sales wrote: > A lot of folks are either 'allergic' or just hate wifi. My wife hates it > in the same way she hates microwave ovens. She's a super bright, Phi Beta > Kappa, honors physics and chemistry woman, so I respect her hunches. > > Our son had a brain tumor at age 19. Some attribute it to the fact that > we used to live right next to Civil Defense A.M. radio towers, where the > air was so full of RF you could disconnect a fluorescent bulb from the > fixture and it would still glow. > > For the record, he survived and is alive and well. > > I am totally insensitive to everything but gunfire and the occasional > avalanche or level 9 earthquake, so it doesn't bother me. But I respect > those who are sensitive enough to pick up on this stuff. > > I don't think it's total hokum. Our bodies are electric, as Walt Whitman, > way ahead of his time, once said. It doesn't seem daft to think that > living in a world saturated with wifi, broadcast and CB signals is possibly > not beneficial. > > Not saying it's proven either way, but some questions and responses to our > electro soaked environment seem plausible. And here I sit in a studio > teeming with gadgets and gizmos that drive our electric bill through the > roof every month. > > Good or bad? In all honesty, I'm not sure. > > R > -- richard sales www.glasswing.com --089e013d1ea4277c1904e4c88192 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I meant to send the below to the whole list but it just we= nt to Tyler. =A0I'm resending to support Mark:

On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Richard Sales=A0<richard@glasswing.= com>=A0wrote:
A lot of folks are either 'allergic&#= 39; or just hate wifi. =A0My wife hates it in the same way she hates microw= ave ovens. =A0She's a super bright, Phi Beta Kappa, honors physics and = chemistry woman, so I respect her hunches.

Our son had a = brain tumor at age 19. =A0Some attribute it to the fact that we used to liv= e right next to Civil Defense A.M. radio towers, where the air was so full = of RF you could disconnect a fluorescent bulb from the fixture and it would= still glow.=A0

For the record= , he survived and is alive and well.

=
I am totally insensitive to everything b= ut gunfire and the occasional avalanche or level 9 earthquake, so it doesn&= #39;t bother me. =A0But I respect those who are sensitive enough to pick up= on this stuff.

I don't th= ink it's total hokum. =A0Our=A0bodies are electric, as Walt Whitman, wa= y ahead of his time, once said. =A0It doesn't seem daft to think that l= iving in a world saturated with wifi, broadcast and CB signals is possibly = not beneficial.=A0

Not saying it&= #39;s proven either way, but some questions and responses to our electro so= aked environment seem plausible. =A0And here I sit in a studio teeming with= gadgets and gizmos that drive our electric bill through the roof every mon= th.

Good or bad? = =A0In all honesty, I'm not sure.=A0
<= br>
R
=

--
richard sales
www.glasswing.com


--089e013d1ea4277c1904e4c88192-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 17:18:31 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADAE418355F; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 17:18:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=HKlDd53ydIgGYFyjQnyLBrF2RWuDM70l0HwzRWklAZE=; b=NgYFZgO5MYTZsq9kCR4PtY8d4wdPcZ1b+vCvfs4PHBK09dpKBfUEyybkHpvgkr9Gfa 10Q1xmh8ZrWwUxHDp6/ip/skay2R132J3S3+3FwYRhIxbMacpAY5Bc7R4gXAf3Rrbanp DJJaQw7FXXysa2TOfYU+5M9+Z3Ui36lTG89ZDK1ti4nlUv1LlH38Rg3fE/PIHJAWojEy QtgEIlkijgOJfyptq6RCgSsjN2hydJZiX2fWmUXzqAU9dCatqYCN7oFawKJrKxt2YfCW 3GytUuyt1gQvFCQYwrdbfKtCbccCQ1EmO0dRrjDwWVGCSyNT+b1drsGx62QGURCg/GhS Ym6Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.73.162 with SMTP id m2mr288534vdv.24.1377451188725; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 10:19:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1377448267.67611.YahooMailNeo@web171704.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> References: <5219EA3C.9050203@cruzio.com> <1377448267.67611.YahooMailNeo@web171704.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 19:19:48 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: street rig From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 17:18:30 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Antony Hequet wrote: > Any of you with knowledge and experience in this area, please help me make > some wise battery and inverter choices, and maybe some advuce about how to > make it into a nice rig on wheels... If you want to go with (the much more convenient) AA batteries you can check out Roland's amps on this page: http://www.roland.com/amp/battery/index.html. I use the CUBE Street for a Stick Guitar, dual inputs - one channel per fretboard side, and it works very well on the street. I can run at max volume knob position 60 percent for the clean side (with optional mic, but I use it for the bass side output from my instrument) and max 40 percent master volume knob position for the melody side. If going louder on the master knobs the CUBE Street distorts in an unpleasant way. I use none of the many available effects since they take off a bit of presence but I use the digital slap delay on both channels (since it adds space without degrading the original tone). This is not screaming loud but works well on the street even for quite big areas. I've noticed that I draw a bigger crowd when playing at a low volume and placing the amp carefully to take advantage of reflecting surfaces on the pavement, a wall behind me or a protruding store ceiling above. I dial in a little more treble than sounds good and throw a good-looking piece of cloth over the speakers to damp it into the sonic sweet-spot; this makes the general sound more pleasant than you can achieve with just the tone knobs of the amp. I have tried my Grand Stick (36") on the CUBE Street but the low bass doesn't come out so well. In fact nothing of the majestic Grand's sounds as good on the CUBE as the Stick Guitar (26,5") does. In case you use a higher tuning on your Stick it might work better though (I'm on MR here). The COSM amp sims all sound like crap to me, except for one that sounds really good: the Classic (a Marshall) and I use it at the very lowest gain setting for the melody side. This is an excellent allround sound for my busking. If you don't need that COSM thing you might find the KC-110 a better choice because it handles bass frequencies better, is more powerful and has three input channels (harmonica + 2 STick channels). I've been thinking about maybe adding a battery driven looper to my CUBE Street and will then use a mic to catch the sound into the looper and feed the looper's output into the CUBE's Aux input. Not sure this will happen though, since using a Stick rather than a guitar allows you do do a lot of stuff directly by playing that you would otherwise need looping to pull off. Anyway, my bottom line is that I am very happy with the CUBE Street. It fits into a shopping bag on wheels and leaves room for a big "buy this guy's CD" sign, a whawha pedal, cables, extra stings and a one day stock of CDs. At home I have a battery re-charger to fuel those six AA batteries during night-time. The thought of schlepping around that heavy old-school battery solution feels just alien; with the light-weight rig I have now I can even walk up/down stairs carrying everything and I think that's worth a lot. ... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 17:24:42 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A82518355D; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 17:24:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-08-25_06:2013-08-23,2013-08-25,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1308250137 Subject: Re: Best high quality,super compact mixer? References: <5219EA3C.9050203@cruzio.com> From: Andrrew Owens Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-28DC5480-5F8C-43F4-A3E5-116DA8025BA7 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B329) In-reply-to: Message-id: <2AF34229-E8E1-46D3-8E5A-D8E85817521A@icloud.com> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 13:25:43 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit MIME-version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 17:24:41 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-28DC5480-5F8C-43F4-A3E5-116DA8025BA7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sylvain what was your idea for Rick with the RME? I was thinking of getting a= one space digital patchbay and building mixer/control around it but maybe R= ME same, but not sure I can get gain control.=20 On Aug 25, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Andrrew Owens wrote: > I have one....so? >=20 > On Aug 25, 2013, at 7:27 AM, Rick Walker wrote: >=20 >> On 8/23/2013 1:19 PM, Sylvain Poitras wrote: >>> Rick,=20 >>>=20 >>> Here's an idea from left field... >>>=20 >>> =46rom previous posts I surmised you had a RME Fireface UFX,= right? >>=20 >> No, a wealthy client of mine has one. I can't afford one. If I did, = I'd be all over that sh*t!!!! lol >>=20 --Apple-Mail-28DC5480-5F8C-43F4-A3E5-116DA8025BA7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sylvain what was your idea for Rick with the RME? I was thinking of getting a one space digital patchbay and building mixer/control around it but maybe RME same, but not sure I can get gain control. 

On Aug 25, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Andrrew Owens <rootpile@icloud.com> wrote:

I have one....so?

On Aug 25, 2013, at 7:27 AM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

On 8/23/2013 1:19 PM, Sylvain Poitras wrote:
Rick, 

Here's an idea from left field...

From previous posts I surmised you had a RME Fireface UFX, right?

No,   a wealthy client of mine has one.   I can't afford one.  If I did,  I'd be all over that sh*t!!!!   lol

--Apple-Mail-28DC5480-5F8C-43F4-A3E5-116DA8025BA7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 17:34:39 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1546718355B; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 17:34:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: loopers-delight Subject: RE: Programming slightly more advanced midi stuff Thread-Topic: Programming slightly more advanced midi stuff Thread-Index: AQHOoSKPOQY7rAKxbUywxCxo7SEmtJmmMGmV Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 17:35:53 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [66.68.95.221] x-forefront-prvs: 09497C15EB x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM;SFS:(199002)(189002)(377454003)(53754006)(243025003)(69226001)(80976001)(50986001)(47976001)(49866001)(47736001)(80022001)(65816001)(81542001)(51856001)(81342001)(66066001)(46102001)(19580395003)(4396001)(19580405001)(83322001)(31966008)(76786001)(76796001)(81686001)(74662001)(76576001)(81816001)(74502001)(47446002)(56776001)(54356001)(54316002)(76482001)(77982001)(59766001)(79102001)(63696002)(77096001)(56816003)(53806001)(16601075003)(33646001)(74316001)(15975445006)(16236675002)(15395725003)(83072001)(74876001)(74706001)(15202345003)(74366001)(24736002);DIR:OUT;SFP:;SCL:1;SRVR:BN1PR04MB107;H:BN1PR04MB105.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;CLIP:66.68.95.221;RD:InfoNoRecords;A:1;MX:1;LANG:en; Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_d8685c825a104d0ebe45dc397941d1a3BN1PR04MB105namprd04pro_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 17:34:38 +0000 (UTC) --_000_d8685c825a104d0ebe45dc397941d1a3BN1PR04MB105namprd04pro_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Before we go down the sysex vortex of despair, experiment and see if you ca= n control what you want with CCs. Page 71 says that Control Change message= s are received and implies they will be received by the effect algorithm. = I couldn't find a table where they describe what each CC number does for ea= ch effect so you'll have to try them all blindly and see what happens. If you want to use sysex, fasten your seat belt and put your tray table in = the upright and locked position. We're about to experience some turbulence= . I think the basic pattern will be this: 0xf0 0x41 0x10 0x00 0x33 0x12 ... 0x?? 0xF7 This is from page 72. The 0x thing is programmerese that means what follows= is a hexadecimal number. That appears to be the convention that the Missin= g Link wants based on the message generator page you sent. In MIDI numbers= are 1 byte so there will always be two digits after the 0x ranging from 0 = to F (15 in decimal). The Roland manual uses a different convention, they = have the two hex digits followed by an H. So whenever you see a number in = the Roland manual just remove the H and add a 0x at the front. Problem 1: That 0x10 in the third byte is the "device id" which they helpfu= lly document as being in the range of 0x10 to 0x1F. This is usually 0x10 b= ut some devices let you change this so it will need to match whatever the d= evice id is on your the EF-303. The reason for this is similar to MIDI cha= nnels, if you had two EF-303's in a daisy chain and wanted to send sysex me= ssages to both of them they would need different device ids. Start with 0x= 10 and if that doesn't work, look around in the system menus to see if you = can set the device id back to 0x10. Problem 2: The 0x?? second from the end is the "checksum". This is a numbe= r calculated from the other numbers in the message and used as a sanity che= ck to make sure the entire message was tranfered correctly. Roland has the= ir own way of doing this. Here is a page that describes it, scroll down to "Part 2: The Roland Checksum". http://www.2writers.com/eddie/TutSysEx.htm What will be tedious about this is that the numbers in the "..." section ar= e going to be different for every message, so you'll have to calculate the = checksum every time. I hate checksums. What goes in the "..." consists of two parts an "address" and "data". What= goes here are in the charts starting on page 73. According to the template on 72 there are four bytes in the address. There= appear to be two parts to the address the "start address" and the "offset = address". The start addresses are seen at the top of 73, and target one of= the user patches, plus a temporary patch. I'm guessing that for real-time= performance you'll need to pick one patch and stick with it, then do any a= djustments to that patch with sysex messages. If you want to use several p= atches, you'll need different messages for each patch. If we're lucky, tar= geting the "Temporary Patch" will modify whatever patch is currently select= ed so let's start there. The first two bytes of the address will then be: 0x01 0x00 The offset addresses are seen in the other tables. For "Multi-FX Parameter= 1" it would be: 0x00 0x01 To determine what the number parameters mean you have to look at the tables= beginning on page 76. So for the Filter effect, parameter 1 is EFFECT_BAL= . Back to 73, in the second column we have the cryptic "0aaa aaaa". I think = what they're trying to say here is that there is one data byte (8 bits) and= each bit that has meaning is represented with an "a". We can ignore that = and skip to the right side of the table where for parameter 1 it says 0 - 1= 27. This is the range of values that you can send in your one byte of data= . So to move the parameter to the lowest value you would use 0x00 and to m= ove it to the highest value you would use 0x7F. The tedious part here is t= hat you're going to have to do decimal to hex translation. Here is a trans= lation page from someone that thinks math is fun and probably didn't date m= uch. http://www.mathsisfun.com/binary-decimal-hexadecimal-converter.html So to sum it all up, to put Multi-FX Parameter 1 into it's center (64) posi= tion you would send: 0xf0 0x41 0x10 0x00 0x33 0x12 0x01 0x00 0x00 0x01 0x40 0x?? 0xF7 The 0x?? checksum would be calculated as 0x01 + 0x00 + 0x00 + 0x01 + 0x40 =3D 1 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 64 =3D 65 Since 65 does not exceed 128 we subtract the final answer from 128 to get 6= 3. Converting back to hex we have 0x3F. So the final entire message is: 0xf0 0x41 0x10 0x00 0x33 0x12 0x01 0x00 0x00 0x01 0x40 0x3F 0xF7 I may have gotten some of the numbers wrong, but that's the basic idea. Re= peat this for everything you want to change! In case it isn't obvious, what sucks about this is that you probably cannot= use this method with a continuous controller to sweep the parameter value = through it's range. Each movement of the knob/slider would have to calcula= te a different sysex message to set position 0, position 1, position 2, etc= . I'm pretty sure TouchOSC doesn't support that. Sysex interfaces like this were designed primarily for patch editing progra= ms on the computer, where you can tweak things in the UI and have them sent= down to the device as you edit. They're hard to use for live performance= control. Enjoy! Jeff ________________________________ From: markfrancombe@gmail.com on behalf of mark f= rancombe Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 6:34 PM To: loopers-delight Subject: Programming slightly more advanced midi stuff Hi All! I have really taken advantage of all my old hardware with the use of the Am= azing missing link, http://wifimidi.com/ (unfortunately my wife is allergic to Wifi, so I have to wait till she is o= ut to fire it up) But being able to get at and attach a fantastic control on my iPad, has rea= lly opened up some old boxes. Now the time has come for the Roland EF-303 http://www.sonicstate.com/digital/model.cfm?modelID=3D1596&manid=3D1&manuf= =3D1 Its fantastic as a sequenceble effects unit, and designed for that, but kin= da "thrown in" is a clone 303 synch. Sounds great, but as its a bit of an e= xtra, the controls are not as "Hands on" as the processing part. Kinda hidd= en way are ADSR controls, for both amp and filter, quantise to Key, quantis= e to various Scales, Gate time, slide time, rest, ties.. and lots more. None available via knobs, all a bit menu-ish. FEAR NOT... QUESTION APPROACHETH But when I look in the manual for some nice CC numbers... Hmm, its a tad ad= vanced for me... Although I can see these things listed, I think they as Sysex commands... a= nd,,, guess what... "Ive never used them... boo hoo" I dont know how to take the weird codes and "use em"! To program in TouchOSC for the missing link I use this (by our own Bernard = Wagner) http://wifimidi.com/midi-message-generator/ There is a SysEx thingy, but I dont know HOW to read the manual, and transl= ate what IM seeing to what is shown on Mr Wagners clever page. So for you geeks edification I present the EF-303 manual... http://www.markfrancombe.com/Roland_EF_303.pdf All I need is an example of how to program ONE of the parameters for one of= the steps in the sequencer. For example: S1 (step 1) GATE TIME. Which is shown on page 74 of the manual Please REFER TO the message generator mentioned above. I think if I can do one I can do them all! It may be that its not possible, if so.. tell me... I can take it! And Please... NO ONE SAY, "Do it in Bidule"... Just for the record, I dont use computers for music. OK? Thanks so much... Mark -- Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe --_000_d8685c825a104d0ebe45dc397941d1a3BN1PR04MB105namprd04pro_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Before we go down the sysex vortex of despair, experiment and see if y= ou can control what you want with CCs.  Page 71 says that Control Chan= ge messages are received and implies they will be received by the effect al= gorithm.  I couldn't find a table where they describe what each CC number does for each effect so you'll have to t= ry them all blindly and see what happens.  

If you want to use sysex, fasten your seat belt and put your tray tabl= e in the upright and locked position.  We're about to experience some = turbulence.

I think the basic pattern will be this:

   0xf0 0x41 0x10 0x00 0x33 0x12 ... 0x?? 0xF7 

This is from page 72. The 0x thing is programmerese that means what fo= llows is a hexadecimal number. That appears to be the convention that the M= issing Link wants based on the message generator page you sent.  In MI= DI numbers are 1 byte so there will always be two digits after the 0x ranging from 0 to F (15 in decimal).  The = Roland manual uses a different convention, they have the two hex digits fol= lowed by an H.  So whenever you see a number in the Roland manual just= remove the H and add a 0x at the front.

Problem 1: That 0x10 in the third byte is the "device id" wh= ich they helpfully document as being in the range of 0x10 to 0x1F.  Th= is is usually 0x10 but some devices let you change this so it will need to = match whatever the device id is on your the EF-303.  The reason for this is similar to MIDI channels, if you had two EF-3= 03's in a daisy chain and wanted to send sysex messages to both of them the= y would need different device ids.  Start with 0x10 and if that doesn'= t work, look around in the system menus to see if you can set the device id back to 0x10.

Problem 2: The 0x?? second from the end is the "checksum". &= nbsp;This is a number calculated from the other numbers in the message and = used as a sanity check to make sure the entire message was tranfered correc= tly.  Roland has their own way
of doing this.  Here is a page that describes it, scroll down to<= /div>
"Part 2: The Roland Checksum".

    http://www.2writers.com/eddie/TutSysEx.htm

What will be tedious about this is that the numbers in the "...&q= uot; section are going to be different for every message, so you'll have to= calculate the checksum every time.  I hate checksums.  

What goes in the "..." consists of two parts an "addres= s" and "data".  What goes here are in the charts starti= ng on page 73.  

According to the template on 72 there are four bytes in the address. &= nbsp;There appear to be two parts to the address the "start address&qu= ot; and the "offset address".  The start addresses are seen = at the top of 73, and target one of the user patches, plus a temporary patch.  I'm guessing that for real-time performance you'll need to pi= ck one patch and stick with it, then do any adjustments to that patch with = sysex messages.  If you want to use several patches, you'll need diffe= rent messages for each patch.  If we're lucky, targeting the "Temporary Patch" will modify whatever patch is cu= rrently selected so let's start there.  The first
two bytes of the address will then be:

    0x01 0x00

The offset addresses are seen in the other tables.  For "Mul= ti-FX Parameter 1" it would be:

    0x00 0x01

To determine what the number parameters mean you have to look at the t= ables beginning on page 76.  So for the Filter effect, parameter 1 is = EFFECT_BAL.

Back to 73, in the second column we have the cryptic "0aaa aaaa&q= uot;.  I think what they're trying to say here is that there is one da= ta byte (8 bits) and each bit that has meaning is represented with an "= ;a".  We can ignore that and skip to the right side of the table where for parameter 1 it says 0 - 127.  This is the rang= e of values that you can send in your one byte of data.  So to move th= e parameter to the lowest value you would use 0x00 and to move it to the hi= ghest value you would use 0x7F.  The tedious part here is that you're going to have to do decimal to hex translation. &= nbsp;Here is a translation page from someone that thinks math is fun and pr= obably didn't date much.  

    http://www.mathsisfun.com/binary-decimal-hexadecimal-con= verter.html

So to sum it all up, to put Multi-FX Parameter 1 into it's center (64)= position you would send:

    0xf0 0x41 0x10 0x00 0x33 0x12 0x01 0x00 0x00 0x01 0x40 0= x?? 0xF7 

The 0x?? checksum would be calculated as

     0x01 + 0x00 + 0x00 + 0x01 + 0x40 = =3D 
     1 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 64 =3D 65

Since 65 does not exceed 128 we subtract the final answer from 128 to = get 63.  Converting back to hex we have 0x3F.  So the final entir= e message is:

    0xf0 0x41 0x10 0x00 0x33 0x12 0x01 0x00 0x00 0x01 0x40 0= x3F 0xF7 

I may have gotten some of the numbers wrong, but that's the basic idea= .  Repeat this for everything you want to change!

In case it isn't obvious, what sucks about this is that you probably c= annot use this method with a continuous controller to sweep the parameter v= alue through it's range.  Each movement of the knob/slider would have = to calculate a different sysex message to set position 0, position 1, position 2, etc.  I'm pretty sure Touc= hOSC doesn't support that.  

Sysex interfaces like this were designed primarily for patch editing p= rograms on the computer, where you can tweak things in the UI and have them= sent down to the device as you edit.   They're hard to use for live p= erformance control.

Enjoy!
Jeff


From: markfrancombe@gmail.c= om <markfrancombe@gmail.com> on behalf of mark francombe <mark@mar= kfrancombe.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 6:34 PM
To: loopers-delight
Subject: Programming slightly more advanced midi stuff
 
Hi All!

I have really taken advantage of all my old hardware with the use of t= he Amazing missing link,
http://wifimidi.com/
(unfortunately my wife is allergic to Wifi, so I have to wait till she is o= ut to fire it up)
But being able to get at and attach a fantastic control on my iPad, ha= s really opened up some old boxes.

Its fantastic as a sequenceble effects unit, and designed for that, bu= t kinda "thrown in" is a clone 303 synch. Sounds great, but as it= s a bit of an extra, the controls are not as "Hands on" as the pr= ocessing part. Kinda hidden way are ADSR controls, for both amp and filter, quantise to Key, quantise to various Scales, Gate tim= e, slide time, rest, ties.. and lots more.
None available via knobs, all a bit menu-ish.

FEAR NOT... QUESTION APPROACHETH
But when I look in the manual for some nice CC numbers... Hmm, its a t= ad advanced for me...
Although I can see these things listed, I think they as Sysex commands... a= nd,,, guess what...

"Ive never used them... boo hoo"

I dont know how to take the weird codes and "use em"!

To program in TouchOSC for the missing link I use this (by our own Bernard = Wagner)

There is a SysEx thingy, but I dont know HOW to read the manual, and t= ranslate what IM seeing to what is shown on Mr Wagners clever page.

So for you geeks edification I present the EF-303 manual...


All I need is an example of how to program ONE of the parameters for one of= the steps in the sequencer. For example:
 S1 (step 1) GATE TIME.
Which is shown on page 74 of the manual
Please REFER TO the message generator mentioned above.

I think if I can do one I can do them all!

It may be that its not possible, if so.. tell me... I can take it!


And Please... NO ONE SAY, "Do it in Bidule"...

Just for the record, I dont use computers for music. OK?

Thanks so much...

Mark







--_000_d8685c825a104d0ebe45dc397941d1a3BN1PR04MB105namprd04pro_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 17:38:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6FCE18355E; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 17:38:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com x-originating-ip: 208.109.97.160 Message-ID: <521A4145.1020802@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 13:39:17 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Thought Radio playlist for August 24, 2013. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 17:38:02 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2013/130824.html The Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show has alternating hosts. When I am at the helm, the show is called Thought Radio and you can expect to hear electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am EDT/GMT-4 on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. http://soundscapes.us/afterglow/index.html Show #254 August 24, 2013. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== VA [Foreign Spaces] Phaeton 1V- Sequences No. 24 Continuation VA [T-Bass UK] 6EQUJS (WoW!) Sequences No. 24 Tedd Arnold Awake Sacred Electronica (Earth Cat) Arcane Acts of Mass Quarantine (none) Remy and Synth.nl Liquid Spheres Primitives (Groove) Twyndyllyngs Meditation on a Meditation on a Boson (Fox's Boson * Den) Meg Bowles The Sweetness of The Shimmering Land (Kumatone) Mist Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Craig Karolus Jodi Journey of Divine Instrumentation (none) Scott D. Davis A Simple Reflection Tahoma (none) Fiona Joy Hawkins Earthbound 600 Years In a Moment (Little Hartley Music) Amberfern Rhythm of the Sea AquEssence (Real Music) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Keith Emerson Band The Barbarian Keith Emerson Band (Varese Sarabande) Genesis Ripples A Trick of the Tail (Atco) Big Big Train East Coast Racer English Electric Part Two (Giant Electric Pea) Joe Walsh The Bomber Look What I Did (MCA) Tom Brislin Stuff You Woukd Hurry Up and Smell the Roses Understand (none) Alan Morse Cold Fusion * Four O'clock and Hysteria (InsideOut) * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDRs that come with each issue of Sequences electronic music magazine. Bill Fox ======================================================================== Host of Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EDT/GMT-4. Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music. Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Website: http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 17:44:29 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E621A183560; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 17:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: loopers-delight Subject: RE: Programming slightly more advanced midi stuff Thread-Topic: Programming slightly more advanced midi stuff Thread-Index: AQHOoSKPOQY7rAKxbUywxCxo7SEmtJmmMGmVgAADBrU= Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 17:45:39 +0000 Message-ID: References: , In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [66.68.95.221] x-forefront-prvs: 09497C15EB x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM;SFS:(189002)(199002)(56776001)(74316001)(83322001)(74706001)(80022001)(54356001)(49866001)(66066001)(74502001)(47446002)(53806001)(47736001)(54316002)(76482001)(74876001)(4396001)(63696002)(46102001)(74366001)(59766001)(51856001)(77982001)(79102001)(81686001)(81342001)(83072001)(69226001)(558084003)(76786001)(16236675002)(76576001)(76796001)(56816003)(33646001)(31966008)(81542001)(81816001)(80976001)(77096001)(65816001)(74662001)(50986001)(47976001)(24736002);DIR:OUT;SFP:;SCL:1;SRVR:BN1PR04MB106;H:BN1PR04MB105.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;CLIP:66.68.95.221;RD:InfoNoRecords;MX:1;A:1;LANG:en; Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_a1b632ba119942809b196ad1fdd124daBN1PR04MB105namprd04pro_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 17:44:28 +0000 (UTC) --_000_a1b632ba119942809b196ad1fdd124daBN1PR04MB105namprd04pro_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Correction: The 0x?? checksum would be calculated as 1 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 64 =3D 66 128 - 66 =3D 62 62 =3D 0x3E Math is fun! 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Correction: The 0x?? checksum would be calculated as

     1 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 64 =3D 66

     128 - 66 =3D 62

     62 =3D 0x3E

Math is fun!

Jeff

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I use the CUBE Street= =0Afor a Stick Guitar, dual inputs - one channel per fretboard side, and=0A= it works very well on the street. I can run at max volume knob=0Aposition 6= 0 percent for the clean side (with optional mic, but I use=0Ait for the bas= s side output from my instrument) and max 40 percent=0Amaster volume knob p= osition for the melody side. If going louder on=0Athe master knobs the CUBE= Street distorts in an unpleasant way. I use=0Anone of the many available e= ffects since they take off a bit of=0Apresence but I use the digital slap d= elay on both channels (since it=0Aadds space without degrading the original= tone). This is not screaming=0Aloud but works well on the street even for = quite big areas. I've=0Anoticed that I draw a bigger crowd when playing at = a low volume and=0Aplacing the amp carefully to take advantage of reflectin= g surfaces on=0Athe pavement, a wall behind me or a protruding store ceilin= g above. I=0Adial in a little more treble than sounds good and throw a good= -looking=0Apiece of cloth over the speakers to damp it into the sonic sweet= -spot;=0Athis makes the general sound more pleasant than you can achieve wi= th=0Ajust the tone knobs of the amp.=0A=0AI have tried my Grand Stick (36")= on the CUBE Street but the low bass=0Adoesn't come out so well. In fact no= thing of the majestic Grand's=0Asounds as good on the CUBE as the Stick Gui= tar (26,5") does. In case=0Ayou use a higher tuning on your Stick it might = work better though (I'm=0Aon MR here). The COSM amp sims all sound like cra= p to me, except for=0Aone that sounds really good: the Classic (a Marshall)= and I use it at=0Athe very lowest gain setting for the melody side. This i= s an excellent=0Aallround sound for my busking. If you don't need that COSM= thing you=0Amight find the KC-110 a better choice because it handles bass= =0Afrequencies better, is more powerful and has three input channels=0A(har= monica + 2 STick channels).=0A=0AI've been thinking about maybe adding a ba= ttery driven looper to my=0ACUBE Street and will then use a mic to catch th= e sound into the looper=0Aand feed the looper's output into the CUBE's Aux = input. Not sure this=0Awill happen though, since using a Stick rather than = a guitar allows=0Ayou do do a lot of stuff directly by playing that you wou= ld otherwise=0Aneed looping to pull off. Anyway, my bottom line is that I a= m very=0Ahappy with the CUBE Street. It fits into a shopping bag on wheels = and=0Aleaves room for a big "buy this guy's CD" sign, a whawha pedal,=0Acab= les, extra stings and a one day stock of CDs. At home I have a=0Abattery re= -charger to fuel those six AA batteries during night-time.=0AThe thought of= schlepping around that heavy old-school battery=0Asolution feels just alie= n; with the light-weight rig I have now I can=0Aeven walk up/down stairs ca= rrying everything and I think that's worth=0Aa lot.=0A=0A...=0AGreetings fr= om Sweden=0A=0APer Boysen=0Awww.perboysen.com=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/perb= oysen ---75644646-1769727571-1377454882=:62648 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hello Per,

from what I gather your rig is not the best for th= e bass part the stick but it has the advantage of being light. =
I was looking at the Phil Jones Bass Cub= for just that reason...
Are p= ower sations with inverters necessarily heavy?
Did you ever check out the Roland battery powered amp with bui= lt in looper...

<= div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 19px; font-family: 'Courier Ne= w', courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; = font-style: normal; ">Antony Hequet


De : Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
=C0 : Loopers-Delight <L= oopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Envoy=E9 le : Dimanche 25 ao=FBt 2013 13h19
Objet : Re: street rig

On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 6:31= PM, Antony Hequet <antony.hequet@yahoo.fr> wrote:
&g= t; Any of you with knowledge and experience in this area, please help me ma= ke
> some wise battery and inverter choices, and maybe some advuce ab= out how to
> make it into a nice rig on wheels...


If you want to go with (th= e much more convenient) AA batteries you can
check out Roland's amps on = this page:
http://www.roland.com/amp/battery/index.html. I use the = CUBE Street
for a Stick Guitar, dual inputs - one channel per fretboard = side, and
it works very well on the street. I can run at max volume knob=
position 60 percent for the clean side (with optional mic, but I useit for the bass side output from my instrument) and max 40 percent
mast= er volume knob position for the melody side. If going louder on
the mast= er knobs the CUBE Street distorts in an unpleasant way. I use
none of th= e many available effects since they take off a bit of
presence but I use= the digital slap delay on both channels (since it
adds space without de= grading the original tone). This is not screaming
loud but works well on the street even for quite big areas. I've
noticed that I draw a bigg= er crowd when playing at a low volume and
placing the amp carefully to t= ake advantage of reflecting surfaces on
the pavement, a wall behind me o= r a protruding store ceiling above. I
dial in a little more treble than = sounds good and throw a good-looking
piece of cloth over the speakers to= damp it into the sonic sweet-spot;
this makes the general sound more pl= easant than you can achieve with
just the tone knobs of the amp.

= I have tried my Grand Stick (36") on the CUBE Street but the low bass
do= esn't come out so well. In fact nothing of the majestic Grand's
sounds a= s good on the CUBE as the Stick Guitar (26,5") does. In case
you use a h= igher tuning on your Stick it might work better though (I'm
on MR here).= The COSM amp sims all sound like crap to me, except for
one that sounds= really good: the Classic (a Marshall) and I use it at
the very lowest gain setting for the melody side. This is an excellent
allround = sound for my busking. If you don't need that COSM thing you
might find t= he KC-110 a better choice because it handles bass
frequencies better, is= more powerful and has three input channels
(harmonica + 2 STick channel= s).

I've been thinking about maybe adding a battery driven looper to= my
CUBE Street and will then use a mic to catch the sound into the loop= er
and feed the looper's output into the CUBE's Aux input. Not sure this=
will happen though, since using a Stick rather than a guitar allows
= you do do a lot of stuff directly by playing that you would otherwise
ne= ed looping to pull off. Anyway, my bottom line is that I am very
happy w= ith the CUBE Street. It fits into a shopping bag on wheels and
leaves ro= om for a big "buy this guy's CD" sign, a whawha pedal,
cables, extra sti= ngs and a one day stock of CDs. At home I have a
battery re-charger to fuel those six AA batteries during night-time.
The though= t of schlepping around that heavy old-school battery
solution feels just= alien; with the light-weight rig I have now I can
even walk up/down sta= irs carrying everything and I think that's worth
a lot.

...
Gr= eetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/pe= rboysen



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References: <521738E8.8010906@cruzio.com> <97A9CF13B58A43FA80D730ECF132E1FA@Bedroom> In-Reply-To: <97A9CF13B58A43FA80D730ECF132E1FA@Bedroom> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080602080508040505060102" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 18:28:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080602080508040505060102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I am also using the EPM6. It works very well and is quite versatile; for example there are two auxiliary buses that can be routed pre or post fader - something not so common in a small mixer. I was also considering Allen-Heath ZED 14, but eventually it didn't fit my budget. ZED 14 or 12FX with 6 mono channels should meet the requirements. The smaller 10 and 10FX have different pre-amps, but also two high impedance inputs as a bonus. Regards, Michał > Howdy Rick & Loopers all - > My fave rave mixer is the Soundcraft EPM series. I use the EPM6 for my > looping gigs, and a Soundcraft Gigrac 1000 for band gigs. Very > transparent, rugged construction, versatile, and a great feel to the > controls - you roll something back to 10:00, you HEAR it, and you can > keep rolling back and HEARING the change. > http://www.soundcraft.com/index.aspx > > Douglas Baldwin > Alpha Coyote > coyotelk@optonline.net > www.TheCoyote.org > www.facebook.com/people/Douglas-Baldwin > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring > production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid. > -- Frank Zappa > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* MasterMuso > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > *Sent:* Friday, August 23, 2013 9:57 AM > *Subject:* Re: Re: Best high quality,super compact mixer? > > When money is no object: > > http://www.sonosax.ch/mixers/mixers_index.html > > > On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Rick Walker > wrote: > > On 8/22/2013 6:51 PM, Richard Sales wrote: >> Hey Rick >> >> Wild idea - Don't know if this is even possible but a cool >> idea would be to send your broken Mackie to the guy, I think >> his name is Jim Williams, at Audio Upgrades. IF HE WORKS ON >> MACKIES, he could turn it into a very high end, tank built >> little mixer. I think the url is www.audioupgrades.com >> . >> >> This way you'd be towing the 'sustainable' line AND getting a >> serious mixer out of the deal. >> >> I've been surprised at how reasonable some of his upgrades are. > > This might be a great suggestion and I thank you for it, Richard, > but I have to say, this mixer has been with me in 15 > different countries over ten years > and it's beat to absolute hell, physically................the > case it's self is starting to come apart. > > Two of the channels are completely dead and my surmise is that > I can get a new mixer for less > than the cost of a repair. > > I also, would love something that is lighter weight for > putting in a suitcase since I seem to be > a virtual luddite and insist on staying with my hardware > loopers on tour. > > I'll look into it, though. Thanks as always for generously > looking after me, my friend! > > yours, Rick > > --------------080602080508040505060102 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I am also using the EPM6. It works very well and is quite versatile; for example there are two auxiliary buses that can be routed pre or post fader - something not so common in a small mixer. I was also considering Allen-Heath ZED 14, but eventually it didn't fit my budget. ZED 14 or 12FX with 6 mono channels should meet the requirements. The smaller 10 and 10FX have different pre-amps, but also two high impedance inputs as a bonus.

Regards,
Michał


Howdy Rick & Loopers all -
My fave rave mixer is the Soundcraft EPM series. I use the EPM6 for my looping gigs, and a Soundcraft Gigrac 1000 for band gigs. Very transparent, rugged construction, versatile, and a great feel to the controls - you roll something back to 10:00, you HEAR it, and you can keep rolling back and HEARING the change.
 
"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid.
-- Frank Zappa
----- Original Message -----
From: MasterMuso
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Best high quality,super compact mixer?



On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
On 8/22/2013 6:51 PM, Richard Sales wrote:
Hey Rick

Wild idea - Don't know if this is even possible but a cool idea would be to send your broken Mackie to the guy, I think his name is Jim Williams, at Audio Upgrades.  IF HE WORKS ON MACKIES, he could turn it into a very high end, tank built little mixer.  I think the url is www.audioupgrades.com. 

This way you'd be towing the 'sustainable' line AND getting a serious mixer out of the deal.

I've been surprised at how reasonable some of his upgrades are.

This might be a great suggestion and I thank you for it, Richard, 
but I have to say,  this mixer has been with me  in 15 different countries over ten years
and it's beat to absolute hell, physically................the case it's self is starting to come apart.

Two of the channels are completely dead and my surmise is that I can get a new mixer for less
than the cost of a repair.

I also, would love something that is lighter weight for putting in a suitcase since I seem to be
a virtual luddite and insist on staying with my hardware loopers on tour.

I'll look into it, though.  Thanks as always for generously looking after me, my friend!

yours,  Rick


--------------080602080508040505060102-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 18:33:06 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17BFC18355C; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 18:33:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=MzpQNMujKt3ORFeAvBmqfIeqpUNik84D6Z0n2YlyCTY=; b=jCTvh1mInJ3RFHWe94jDzVjmCkxaaQ5bn78Iz6WtRK4eOwYP5IYfOUSbMgZ9FeQcqi Kgalx/p6vtjQWwmXojufN59SHC+p8CGuPUvZ8aZ7mWfd8Ew8ilIN+1xoXd+X3Q1ytb6z gInoXYhStxClpMAjOgAnSmwZhx3CNTeu3zC7WWpX8ezsLXGuaf7cVJHtD4z+3HdyXmSx gbxMs6JGjTtdvYYssE69/DqiJC31kWvL91+Eq8MRQdwVMVf9CUB6DVmx0uJgcqPzb6d/ /Ve1EOkdv9uW/9F9SBG5hsX3VBeVAtP3Z/X6fd0kOVCoGKGiJ6fqcQ8qM5wZ/0C9Q0lY dHNQ== X-Received: by 10.68.228.201 with SMTP id sk9mr11344875pbc.4.1377455663270; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 11:34:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 20:34:03 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: R_T7OP58QAE7eF_ELHOiEqUO97g Message-ID: Subject: Re: Programming slightly more advanced midi stuff To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b162d1180d09704e4c9e3e7 Resent-Message-ID: <53Fhb.A.Q3B.h3kGSB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 18:33:05 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b162d1180d09704e4c9e3e7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 WOW Jeff, This is amazing!! Im gonna have to take my time going thru this one, and your last line looks a little UN promising for what I want... BUT You said I couldn't find a table where they describe what each CC number does for each effect ON page 71 where it gives some hints as to the numbers.. 2-5 7-31 64-94 and then on page 76 where theres these lists of parameters, maybe one means the other? The first good stuff i found is on page 77, and the numbers given on 78. All these parameters are NOT under any control on the device at all, no menus not knobs nothing... So being to adjust decay on the synth engine, is HUGE, and filter envelopes. AMAZING The stuff I want to decipher is thei damn lists on pages 74 and 75... If I can get them under iTouch control, is gonna be amazing! These controls ARE possible with awkward menu shifts and stuff, but its risky... very easy to stop the sequence to go into a mode you cant get out of without stopping Thanks Jeff... Im gonna check all this out... Mark On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > Before we go down the sysex vortex of despair, experiment and see if you > can control what you want with CCs. Page 71 says that Control Change > messages are received and implies they will be received by the effect > algorithm. I couldn't find a table where they describe what each CC number > does for each effect so you'll have to try them all blindly and see what > happens. > > If you want to use sysex, fasten your seat belt and put your tray table > in the upright and locked position. We're about to experience some > turbulence. > > I think the basic pattern will be this: > > 0xf0 0x41 0x10 0x00 0x33 0x12 ... 0x?? 0xF7 > > This is from page 72. The 0x thing is programmerese that means what > follows is a hexadecimal number. That appears to be the convention that the > Missing Link wants based on the message generator page you sent. In MIDI > numbers are 1 byte so there will always be two digits after the 0x ranging > from 0 to F (15 in decimal). The Roland manual uses a different > convention, they have the two hex digits followed by an H. So whenever you > see a number in the Roland manual just remove the H and add a 0x at the > front. > > Problem 1: That 0x10 in the third byte is the "device id" which they > helpfully document as being in the range of 0x10 to 0x1F. This is usually > 0x10 but some devices let you change this so it will need to match whatever > the device id is on your the EF-303. The reason for this is similar to > MIDI channels, if you had two EF-303's in a daisy chain and wanted to send > sysex messages to both of them they would need different device ids. Start > with 0x10 and if that doesn't work, look around in the system menus to see > if you can set the device id back to 0x10. > > Problem 2: The 0x?? second from the end is the "checksum". This is a > number calculated from the other numbers in the message and used as a > sanity check to make sure the entire message was tranfered correctly. > Roland has their own way > of doing this. Here is a page that describes it, scroll down to > "Part 2: The Roland Checksum". > > http://www.2writers.com/eddie/TutSysEx.htm > > What will be tedious about this is that the numbers in the "..." section > are going to be different for every message, so you'll have to calculate > the checksum every time. I hate checksums. > > What goes in the "..." consists of two parts an "address" and "data". > What goes here are in the charts starting on page 73. > > According to the template on 72 there are four bytes in the address. > There appear to be two parts to the address the "start address" and the > "offset address". The start addresses are seen at the top of 73, and > target one of the user patches, plus a temporary patch. I'm guessing that > for real-time performance you'll need to pick one patch and stick with it, > then do any adjustments to that patch with sysex messages. If you want to > use several patches, you'll need different messages for each patch. If > we're lucky, targeting the "Temporary Patch" will modify whatever patch is > currently selected so let's start there. The first > two bytes of the address will then be: > > 0x01 0x00 > > The offset addresses are seen in the other tables. For "Multi-FX > Parameter 1" it would be: > > 0x00 0x01 > > To determine what the number parameters mean you have to look at the > tables beginning on page 76. So for the Filter effect, parameter 1 is > EFFECT_BAL. > > Back to 73, in the second column we have the cryptic "0aaa aaaa". I > think what they're trying to say here is that there is one data byte (8 > bits) and each bit that has meaning is represented with an "a". We can > ignore that and skip to the right side of the table where for parameter 1 > it says 0 - 127. This is the range of values that you can send in your one > byte of data. So to move the parameter to the lowest value you would use > 0x00 and to move it to the highest value you would use 0x7F. The tedious > part here is that you're going to have to do decimal to hex translation. > Here is a translation page from someone that thinks math is fun and > probably didn't date much. > > http://www.mathsisfun.com/binary-decimal-hexadecimal-converter.html > > So to sum it all up, to put Multi-FX Parameter 1 into it's center (64) > position you would send: > > 0xf0 0x41 0x10 0x00 0x33 0x12 0x01 0x00 0x00 0x01 0x40 0x?? 0xF7 > > The 0x?? checksum would be calculated as > > 0x01 + 0x00 + 0x00 + 0x01 + 0x40 = > 1 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 64 = 65 > > Since 65 does not exceed 128 we subtract the final answer from 128 to > get 63. Converting back to hex we have 0x3F. So the final entire message > is: > > 0xf0 0x41 0x10 0x00 0x33 0x12 0x01 0x00 0x00 0x01 0x40 0x3F 0xF7 > > I may have gotten some of the numbers wrong, but that's the basic idea. > Repeat this for everything you want to change! > > In case it isn't obvious, what sucks about this is that you probably > cannot use this method with a continuous controller to sweep the parameter > value through it's range. Each movement of the knob/slider would have to > calculate a different sysex message to set position 0, position 1, position > 2, etc. I'm pretty sure TouchOSC doesn't support that. > > Sysex interfaces like this were designed primarily for patch editing > programs on the computer, where you can tweak things in the UI and have > them sent down to the device as you edit. They're hard to use for live > performance control. > > Enjoy! > Jeff > > ------------------------------ > *From:* markfrancombe@gmail.com on behalf of > mark francombe > *Sent:* Saturday, August 24, 2013 6:34 PM > *To:* loopers-delight > *Subject:* Programming slightly more advanced midi stuff > > Hi All! > > I have really taken advantage of all my old hardware with the use of the > Amazing missing link, > http://wifimidi.com/ > (unfortunately my wife is allergic to Wifi, so I have to wait till she is > out to fire it up) > But being able to get at and attach a fantastic control on my iPad, has > really opened up some old boxes. > > Now the time has come for the Roland EF-303 > http://www.sonicstate.com/digital/model.cfm?modelID=1596&manid=1&manuf=1 > Its fantastic as a sequenceble effects unit, and designed for that, but > kinda "thrown in" is a clone 303 synch. Sounds great, but as its a bit of > an extra, the controls are not as "Hands on" as the processing part. Kinda > hidden way are ADSR controls, for both amp and filter, quantise to Key, > quantise to various Scales, Gate time, slide time, rest, ties.. and lots > more. > None available via knobs, all a bit menu-ish. > > FEAR NOT... QUESTION APPROACHETH > But when I look in the manual for some nice CC numbers... Hmm, its a tad > advanced for me... > Although I can see these things listed, I think they as Sysex commands... > and,,, guess what... > > "Ive never used them... boo hoo" > > I dont know how to take the weird codes and "use em"! > > To program in TouchOSC for the missing link I use this (by our own Bernard > Wagner) > http://wifimidi.com/midi-message-generator/ > > There is a SysEx thingy, but I dont know HOW to read the manual, and > translate what IM seeing to what is shown on Mr Wagners clever page. > > So for you geeks edification I present the EF-303 manual... > > http://www.markfrancombe.com/Roland_EF_303.pdf > > All I need is an example of how to program ONE of the parameters for one > of the steps in the sequencer. For example: > S1 (step 1) GATE TIME. > Which is shown on page 74 of the manual > Please REFER TO the message generator mentioned above. > > I think if I can do one I can do them all! > > It may be that its not possible, if so.. tell me... I can take it! > > > And Please... NO ONE SAY, "Do it in Bidule"... > > Just for the record, I dont use computers for music. OK? > > Thanks so much... > > Mark > > > > > > > > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe --047d7b162d1180d09704e4c9e3e7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
WOW Jeff, This is amazing!! Im gonna have to take my time = going thru this one, and your last line looks a little UN promising for wha= t I want...

BUT You said
=A0I couldn't = find a table where they describe what each CC number does for each effect

ON page 71 where it gives some hints= as to the numbers.. 2-5 =A07-31 =A064-94

and then on page 76 where theres these lis= ts of parameters, =A0maybe one means the other?

The first good stuff i found is on page 77= , and the numbers given on 78. All these parameters are NOT under any contr= ol on the device at all, no menus not knobs nothing... So being to adjust d= ecay on the synth engine, is HUGE, and filter envelopes. AMAZING

The stuff I want to decipher is thei damn = lists on pages 74 and 75... If I can get them under iTouch control, is gonn= a be amazing! These controls ARE possible with awkward menu shifts and stuf= f, but its risky... very easy to stop the sequence to go into a mode you ca= nt get out of without stopping

Thanks Jeff... Im gonna check all this out= ...

Mark





On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 7:3= 5 PM, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wrote:=
Before we go down the sysex vortex of despair, experiment and see if y= ou can control what you want with CCs. =A0Page 71 says that Control Change = messages are received and implies they will be received by the effect algor= ithm. =A0I couldn't find a table where they describe what each CC number does for each effect so you'll have = to try them all blindly and see what happens. =A0

If you want to use sysex, fasten your seat belt and put your tray tabl= e in the upright and locked position. =A0We're about to experience some= turbulence.

I think the basic pattern will be this:

=A0 =A00xf0 0x41 0x10 0x00 0x33 0x12 ... 0x?? 0xF7=A0

This is from page 72. The 0x thing is programmerese that means what fo= llows is a hexadecimal number. That appears to be the convention that the M= issing Link wants based on the message generator page you sent. =A0In MIDI = numbers are 1 byte so there will always be two digits after the 0x ranging from 0 to F (15 in decimal). =A0The Rol= and manual uses a different convention, they have the two hex digits follow= ed by an H. =A0So whenever you see a number in the Roland manual just remov= e the H and add a 0x at the front.

Problem 1: That 0x10 in the third byte is the "device id" wh= ich they helpfully document as being in the range of 0x10 to 0x1F. =A0This = is usually 0x10 but some devices let you change this so it will need to mat= ch whatever the device id is on your the EF-303. =A0The reason for this is similar to MIDI channels, if you had two EF-303&= #39;s in a daisy chain and wanted to send sysex messages to both of them th= ey would need different device ids. =A0Start with 0x10 and if that doesn= 9;t work, look around in the system menus to see if you can set the device id back to 0x10.

Problem 2: The 0x?? second from the end is the "checksum". = =A0This is a number calculated from the other numbers in the message and us= ed as a sanity check to make sure the entire message was tranfered correctl= y. =A0Roland has their own way
of doing this. =A0Here is a page that describes it, scroll down to
"Part 2: The Roland Checksum".


What will be tedious about this is that the numbers in the "...&q= uot; section are going to be different for every message, so you'll hav= e to calculate the checksum every time. =A0I hate checksums. =A0

What goes in the "..." consists of two parts an "addres= s" and "data". =A0What goes here are in the charts starting = on page 73. =A0

According to the template on 72 there are four bytes in the address. = =A0There appear to be two parts to the address the "start address"= ; and the "offset address". =A0The start addresses are seen at th= e top of 73, and target one of the user patches, plus a temporary patch. =A0I'm guessing that for real-time performance you'll need = to pick one patch and stick with it, then do any adjustments to that patch = with sysex messages. =A0If you want to use several patches, you'll need= different messages for each patch. =A0If we're lucky, targeting the "Temporary Patch" will modify whatever patch is cu= rrently selected so let's start there. =A0The first
two bytes of the address will then be:

=A0 =A0 0x01 0x00

The offset addresses are seen in the other tables. =A0For "Multi-= FX Parameter 1" it would be:

=A0 =A0 0x00 0x01

To determine what the number parameters mean you have to look at the t= ables beginning on page 76. =A0So for the Filter effect, parameter 1 is EFF= ECT_BAL.

Back to 73, in the second column we have the cryptic "0aaa aaaa&q= uot;. =A0I think what they're trying to say here is that there is one d= ata byte (8 bits) and each bit that has meaning is represented with an &quo= t;a". =A0We can ignore that and skip to the right side of the table where for parameter 1 it says 0 - 127. =A0This is the range o= f values that you can send in your one byte of data. =A0So to move the para= meter to the lowest value you would use 0x00 and to move it to the highest = value you would use 0x7F. =A0The tedious part here is that you're going to have to do decimal to hex translatio= n. =A0Here is a translation page from someone that thinks math is fun and p= robably didn't date much. =A0


So to sum it all up, to put Multi-FX Parameter 1 into it's center = (64) position you would send:

=A0 =A0 0xf0 0x41 0x10 0x00 0x33 0x12 0x01 0x00 0x00 0x01 0x40 0x?? 0x= F7=A0

The 0x?? checksum would be calculated as

=A0 =A0 =A00x01 + 0x00 + 0x00 + 0x01 + 0x40 =3D=A0
=A0 =A0 =A01 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 64 =3D 65

Since 65 does not exceed 128 we subtract the final answer from 128 to = get 63. =A0Converting back to hex we have 0x3F. =A0So the final entire mess= age is:

=A0 =A0 0xf0 0x41 0x10 0x00 0x33 0x12 0x01 0x00 0x00 0x01 0x40 0x3F 0x= F7=A0

I may have gotten some of the numbers wrong, but that's the basic = idea. =A0Repeat this for everything you want to change!

In case it isn't obvious, what sucks about this is that you probab= ly cannot use this method with a continuous controller to sweep the paramet= er value through it's range. =A0Each movement of the knob/slider would = have to calculate a different sysex message to set position 0, position 1, position 2, etc. =A0I'm pretty sure Tou= chOSC doesn't support that. =A0

Sysex interfaces like this were designed primarily for patch editing p= rograms on the computer, where you can tweak things in the UI and have them= sent down to the device as you edit. =A0 They're hard to use for live = performance control.

Enjoy!
Jeff


From: markfrancombe@gmail.com <markfrancombe@gmail.com> on beh= alf of mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 6:34 PM
To: loopers-delight
Subject: Programming slightly more advanced midi stuff
=A0
Hi All!

I have really taken advantage of all my old hardware with the use of t= he Amazing missing link,
http://wifimidi.com/=
(unfortunately my wife is allergic to Wifi, so I have to wait till she is o= ut to fire it up)
But being able to get at and attach a fantastic control on my iPad, ha= s really opened up some old boxes.

Its fantastic as a sequenceble effects unit, and designed for that, bu= t kinda "thrown in" is a clone 303 synch. Sounds great, but as it= s a bit of an extra, the controls are not as "Hands on" as the pr= ocessing part. Kinda hidden way are ADSR controls, for both amp and filter, quantise to Key, quantise to various Scales, Gate tim= e, slide time, rest, ties.. and lots more.
None available via knobs, all a bit menu-ish.

FEAR NOT... QUESTION APPROACHETH
But when I look in the manual for some nice CC numbers... Hmm, its a t= ad advanced for me...
Although I can see these things listed, I think they as Sysex commands... a= nd,,, guess what...

"Ive never used them... boo hoo"

I dont know how to take the weird codes and "use em"!

To program in TouchOSC for the missing link I use this (by our own Bernard = Wagner)

There is a SysEx thingy, but I dont know HOW to read the manual, and t= ranslate what IM seeing to what is shown on Mr Wagners clever page.

So for you geeks edification I present the EF-303 manual...


All I need is an example of how to program ONE of the parameters for one of= the steps in the sequencer. For example:
=A0S1 (step 1) GATE TIME.
Which is shown on page 74 of the manual
Please REFER TO the message generator mentioned above.

I think if I can do one I can do them all!

It may be that its not possible, if so.. tell me... I can take it!


And Please... NO ONE SAY, "Do it in Bidule"...

Just for the record, I dont use computers for music. OK?

Thanks so much...

Mark










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--047d7b162d1180d09704e4c9e3e7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 19:47:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B16E5183558; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 19:47:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 771018.69748.bm@omp1013.mail.ird.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1377460133; bh=6ksZ1BxwXPTGUlC/lra/ZoVHZ38c5Sk+ZfqjA1tbg0M=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yeo5iM/gAvNHaJ8iZrUbRv9tEd8wqTIBghH514AJdezpHRShE1IJ6QUpDk0hl4dBga3zSNbZgFWJXzCbM6G3Iwtg3SExLUP9bqvFS3i7cCwOf/V9Cr+NXydl/8tEPZ7y33GlgDymAMgnQZ00j7nQSDWsdk//VHJCo8FJMEePwoY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fCGaD1S6l5jb4lp1XBLBo7L+cyYewxIvdvDhs5rWhCW/4ECK+F0G5W06+5elI8PegIKwAvy7Sf9ROMuOqqo7GkWnWEiOy3pfJAsH9MN0pEMzjHMZ4y0f3WPYCEChjlL7NN+1HHv2yxk289hYJW9TqvMqF67hDf3+92qcjLS9UbQ=; X-YMail-OSG: 2fVs4LkVM1k56j4h2KuHv.JyCLEUTs2PTZyr_L65VfW_M4F AMgCI.q7kUsOsHZBPnPlYaZwhX0rq4qTZsngpW2lPaiNqXD4ZO4_OONtzOqs zi1DhmXFlRs_IZ5JtW_45jls0CpAVYgP2G6uo5uUXc4s6HJeSlRijppGNM2h LREFDdmvlaemd9DyVHU7vf2zKf3UqOe6gRrAaTLgJtjJWMOnrZhOMtvsbNLm TGQiLAjcFP2q5_kPm.prTQyNx90boE8UUWOUOt1cb5rutlCD8qdrJFnqx_43 wMVG7VpB6TJLPzf3bvZIEHg3uuYnYxBe1uhRcz0tG84872G7ptq3CpHOZg4U 1PalAY09EfVyLscI5LaIwRlXfO78GkKQ_OT5EXo7vbDZaXmnEJDL1shJcWDz t3FEpoRiu0xrgg1OtbDVv2SSo6FeW.SOPUT.b7Jk59VONREpEI.wqWvfr4RU u6xruY6D.vKv7T.6.sJfR9wXQJA6YW3RTD07K_flMI0IrorY7kMyd_x0WXJp l8IJ9Fq65u62zxIgS3kbNSA-- X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,eW91IGNhbiBnZXQgZ2FpbiBjb250cm9sIG9uIFJNRSBVRlgKCkFudG9ueSBIZXF1ZXQKCgoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KIERlwqA6IEFuZHJyZXcgT3dlbnMgPHJvb3RwaWxlQGljbG91ZC5jb20.CsOAwqA6ICJMb29wZXJzLURlbGlnaHRAbG9vcGVycy1kZWxpZ2h0LmNvbSIgPExvb3BlcnMtRGVsaWdodEBsb29wZXJzLWRlbGlnaHQuY29tPiAKRW52b3nDqSBsZSA6IERpbWFuY2hlIDI1IGFvw7t0IDIwMTMgMTNoMjUKT2JqZXTCoDogUmU6IEJlc3QgaGlnaCBxdWFsaXR5LHN1cGUBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.155.576 References: <5219EA3C.9050203@cruzio.com> <2AF34229-E8E1-46D3-8E5A-D8E85817521A@icloud.com> Message-ID: <1377460133.43128.YahooMailNeo@web171705.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 20:48:53 +0100 (BST) From: Antony Hequet Reply-To: Antony Hequet Subject: Re: Best high quality,super compact mixer? To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <2AF34229-E8E1-46D3-8E5A-D8E85817521A@icloud.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1253611123-350162634-1377460133=:43128" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 19:47:36 +0000 (UTC) --1253611123-350162634-1377460133=:43128 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable you can get gain control on RME UFX=0A=0AAntony Hequet=0A=0A=0A=0A_________= _______________________=0A De=A0: Andrrew Owens =0A=C0= =A0: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" =0AEnvoy=E9 le : Dimanche 25 ao=FBt 2013 13h25=0AObjet=A0: Re: Best h= igh quality,super compact mixer?=0A =0A=0A=0ASylvain what was your idea for= Rick with the RME? I was thinking of getting a one space digital patchbay = and building mixer/control around it but maybe RME same, but not sure I can= get gain control.=A0=0A=0AOn Aug 25, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Andrrew Owens wrote:=0A=0A=0AI have one....so?=0A>=0A>On Aug 25, 2013, = at 7:27 AM, Rick Walker wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A>On 8/23/201= 3 1:19 PM, Sylvain Poitras wrote:=0A>>=0A>>Rick,=A0 =0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>Here'= s an idea from left field...=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>From previous posts I surmise= d you had a RME Fireface UFX, right? =0A>>No,=A0=A0 a wealthy client of min= e has one.=A0=A0 I can't afford one.=A0 If I did,=A0 I'd be all over that s= h*t!!!!=A0=A0 lol=0A>>=0A>> --1253611123-350162634-1377460133=:43128 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
you can get gain control on RME UFX

Antony Hequet



De : Andrrew Owens <rootpile@icloud.com>
=C0 : "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" = <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Envoy=E9 le : Dimanche 25 ao=FBt 2013 13h25
<= span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Objet : Re: Best high qua= lity,super compact mixer?

Sylvain what was your idea for Ric= k with the RME? I was thinking of getting a one space digital patchbay and = building mixer/control around it but maybe RME same, but not sure I can get= gain control. 

On Aug 25, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Andrrew Ow= ens <rootpile@icloud.com> wrote:
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I have one....so?
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--1253611123-350162634-1377460133=:43128-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 20:04:17 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46F3018355E; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 20:04:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <521A6389.8000109@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 13:05:29 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bennett Williams , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Re: Re: Best high quality,super compact mixer? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 20:04:16 +0000 (UTC) On 8/23/2013 1:39 PM, Bennett Williams wrote: > Sound Devices 664 Field Mixer. Probably nothing better than that in > terms of size, build quality, and sound. > > http://www.sounddevices.com/products/664/ I read the info here about this.............what a dream machine. Then I went to E-bay and found the CASE for the unit on sale for a mere $295. Went online and found a smashing great deal on it at Sweetwater Music $4,595.00 Holy Sh*t! Not in this lifetime, Holmes, not in this lifetime. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 20:13:29 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25D8718355F; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 20:13:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-TMN: [VJRMXlfpnqkeWVoxswEIc1SrN/QmSpZO] X-Originating-Email: [threeleggedyoyo@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_31733abc-79c0-4afc-bd28-77c5885ec003_" From: Brent Taylor To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: street rig Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 14:14:45 -0600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1377454882.62648.YahooMailNeo@web171701.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> References: <5219EA3C.9050203@cruzio.com> <1377448267.67611.YahooMailNeo@web171704.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> ,<1377454882.62648.YahooMailNeo@web171701.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2013 20:14:45.0987 (UTC) FILETIME=[BE180330:01CEA1CF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 20:13:28 +0000 (UTC) --_31733abc-79c0-4afc-bd28-77c5885ec003_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Antony=2C I've been putting together my street rig too so you might be interested in = what I've come up with. I use a battery similar to this. Not this exact model but very similar: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Schumacher-Instant-Power-with-18-Ah-Battery-and-4= 00W-Inverter/20851262 Mine is this one (not sure if they're still available like the one above): http://www.amazon.com/Schumacher-PP-2200-Portable-Outdoor-Power/dp/B002CG00= 1E/ref=3Dcm_cr_pr_product_top It weighs 15 lbs and is about 1 foot cubed. It runs my Boss RC-300 and my Fender Frontman 15b just fine (15 watt bass a= mp). It does seem to add a little bit of buzz compared to a wall plug depen= ding on how much stuff is plugged into it=2C but it's not too bad.=20 I wish I could comment a little better about battery life. I haven't yet us= ed it long enough in one sitting to say what the max life is. The amazon pa= ge says it has 22 amp hours=2C whatever that means. Most reviewers are sayi= ng they get about 6-8 hours with various devices. ~Brent www.facebook.com/sciencegonewrong Date: Sun=2C 25 Aug 2013 19:21:22 +0100 From: antony.hequet@yahoo.fr Subject: Re: street rig To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com hello Per=2C from what I gather your rig is not the best for the bass part the stick but= it has the advantage of being light. I was looking at the Phil Jones Bass = Cub for just that reason...Are power sations with inverters necessarily hea= vy?Did you ever check out the Roland battery powered amp with built in loop= er... Antony Hequet De : Per Boysen =C0 : Loopers-Delight =20 Envoy=E9 le : Dimanche 25 ao=FBt 2013 13h19 Objet : Re: street rig =20 On Sun=2C Aug 25=2C 2013 at 6:31 PM=2C Antony Hequet wrote: > Any of you with knowledge and experience in this area=2C please help me m= ake > some wise battery and inverter choices=2C and maybe some advuce about how= to >=0A= make it into a nice rig on wheels... If you want to go with (the much more convenient) AA batteries you can check out Roland's amps on this page: http://www.roland.com/amp/battery/index.html. I use the CUBE Street for a Stick Guitar=2C dual inputs - one channel per fretboard side=2C and it works very well on the street. I can run at max volume knob position 60 percent for the clean side (with optional mic=2C but I use it for the bass side output from my instrument) and max 40 percent master volume knob position for the melody side. If going louder on the master knobs the CUBE Street distorts in an unpleasant way. I use none of the many available effects since they take off a bit of presence but I use the digital slap delay on both channels (since it adds space without degrading the original tone). This is not screaming loud but works well=0A= on the street even for quite big areas. I've noticed that I draw a bigger crowd when playing at a low volume and placing the amp carefully to take advantage of reflecting surfaces on the pavement=2C a wall behind me or a protruding store ceiling above. I dial in a little more treble than sounds good and throw a good-looking piece of cloth over the speakers to damp it into the sonic sweet-spot=3B this makes the general sound more pleasant than you can achieve with just the tone knobs of the amp. I have tried my Grand Stick (36") on the CUBE Street but the low bass doesn't come out so well. In fact nothing of the majestic Grand's sounds as good on the CUBE as the Stick Guitar (26=2C5") does. In case you use a higher tuning on your Stick it might work better though (I'm on MR here). The COSM amp sims all sound like crap to me=2C except for one that sounds really good: the Classic (a Marshall) and I use it at the very=0A= lowest gain setting for the melody side. This is an excellent allround sound for my busking. If you don't need that COSM thing you might find the KC-110 a better choice because it handles bass frequencies better=2C is more powerful and has three input channels (harmonica + 2 STick channels). I've been thinking about maybe adding a battery driven looper to my CUBE Street and will then use a mic to catch the sound into the looper and feed the looper's output into the CUBE's Aux input. Not sure this will happen though=2C since using a Stick rather than a guitar allows you do do a lot of stuff directly by playing that you would otherwise need looping to pull off. Anyway=2C my bottom line is that I am very happy with the CUBE Street. It fits into a shopping bag on wheels and leaves room for a big "buy this guy's CD" sign=2C a whawha pedal=2C cables=2C extra stings and a one day stock of CDs. At home I have a battery=0A= re-charger to fuel those six AA batteries during night-time. The thought of schlepping around that heavy old-school battery solution feels just alien=3B with the light-weight rig I have now I can even walk up/down stairs carrying everything and I think that's worth a lot. ... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen = --_31733abc-79c0-4afc-bd28-77c5885ec003_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Antony=2C

I've been p= utting together my street rig too so you might be interested in what I've c= ome up with.

I use a battery similar to this. Not this exact model b= ut very similar:

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Schumacher-Instant-Power-with-18-Ah-Battery-and-= 400W-Inverter/20851262

Mine is this one (not sure if they're sti= ll available like the one above):

http://www.amazon.com/Schumacher-PP-2200-Portable= -Outdoor-Power/dp/B002CG001E/ref=3Dcm_cr_pr_product_top

It weigh= s 15 lbs and is about 1 foot cubed.

It runs my Boss RC-300 and my Fe= nder Frontman 15b just fine (15 watt bass amp). It does seem to add a littl= e bit of buzz compared to a wall plug depending on how much stuff is plugge= d into it=2C but it's not too bad.

I wish I could comment a little = better about battery life. I haven't yet used it long enough in one sitting= to say what the max life is. The amazon page says it has 22 amp hours=2C w= hatever that means. Most reviewers are saying they get about 6-8 hours with= various devices.

~Brent
www.facebook.com/sciencegonewrong



Date: Sun=2C 25 Aug 2013 19:21:22 +0100
F= rom: antony.hequet@yahoo.fr
Subject: Re: street rig
To: Loopers-Delig= ht@loopers-delight.com

hello Per=2C

from what I gather your rig is not the best for the bass part th= e stick but it has the advantage of being light. =3B
I was looking at the Phil Jones Bass Cub= for just that reason...
<= span>Are power sations with inverters necessarily heavy?
Did you ever check out the Roland batter= y powered amp with built in looper...

Antony Hequet


De =3B: Per Boysen <=3Bperboysen@gmail.com>=3B
=C0 =3B: Loopers-Delight <=3BLoopers-= Delight@loopers-delight.com>=3B
Envoy=E9 le : Dimanche 25 ao=FBt 2013 13h19
Objet =3B: Re: street rig

On Sun=2C Aug 25=2C 2013= at 6:31 PM=2C Antony Hequet <=3Bantony.hequet@yahoo.fr>=3B wrote:
>=3B Any of you with knowled= ge and experience in this area=2C please help me make
>=3B some wise b= attery and inverter choices=2C and maybe some advuce about how to
>=3B= =0A= make it into a nice rig on wheels...


If you want to go with (th= e much more convenient) AA batteries you can
check out Roland's amps on = this page:
http://www.roland.com/amp/battery/index.html. I use the = CUBE Street
for a Stick Guitar=2C dual inputs - one channel per fretboar= d side=2C and
it works very well on the street. I can run at max volume = knob
position 60 percent for the clean side (with optional mic=2C but I = use
it for the bass side output from my instrument) and max 40 percentmaster volume knob position for the melody side. If going louder on
th= e master knobs the CUBE Street distorts in an unpleasant way. I use
none= of the many available effects since they take off a bit of
presence but= I use the digital slap delay on both channels (since it
adds space with= out degrading the original tone). This is not screaming
loud but works w= ell=0A= on the street even for quite big areas. I've
noticed that I draw a bigg= er crowd when playing at a low volume and
placing the amp carefully to t= ake advantage of reflecting surfaces on
the pavement=2C a wall behind me= or a protruding store ceiling above. I
dial in a little more treble tha= n sounds good and throw a good-looking
piece of cloth over the speakers = to damp it into the sonic sweet-spot=3B
this makes the general sound mor= e pleasant than you can achieve with
just the tone knobs of the amp.
=
I have tried my Grand Stick (36") on the CUBE Street but the low bassdoesn't come out so well. In fact nothing of the majestic Grand's
soun= ds as good on the CUBE as the Stick Guitar (26=2C5") does. In case
you u= se a higher tuning on your Stick it might work better though (I'm
on MR = here). The COSM amp sims all sound like crap to me=2C except for
one tha= t sounds really good: the Classic (a Marshall) and I use it at
the very= =0A= lowest gain setting for the melody side. This is an excellent
allround = sound for my busking. If you don't need that COSM thing you
might find t= he KC-110 a better choice because it handles bass
frequencies better=2C = is more powerful and has three input channels
(harmonica + 2 STick chann= els).

I've been thinking about maybe adding a battery driven looper = to my
CUBE Street and will then use a mic to catch the sound into the lo= oper
and feed the looper's output into the CUBE's Aux input. Not sure th= is
will happen though=2C since using a Stick rather than a guitar allows=
you do do a lot of stuff directly by playing that you would otherwiseneed looping to pull off. Anyway=2C my bottom line is that I am very
h= appy with the CUBE Street. It fits into a shopping bag on wheels and
lea= ves room for a big "buy this guy's CD" sign=2C a whawha pedal=2C
cables= =2C extra stings and a one day stock of CDs. At home I have a
battery=0A= re-charger to fuel those six AA batteries during night-time.
The though= t of schlepping around that heavy old-school battery
solution feels just= alien=3B with the light-weight rig I have now I can
even walk up/down s= tairs carrying everything and I think that's worth
a lot.

...
= Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/= perboysen



=
= --_31733abc-79c0-4afc-bd28-77c5885ec003_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 20:18:35 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F42018355E; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 20:18:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <521A66E4.6000507@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 13:19:48 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Re: Best high quality,super compact mixer? References: <521A4D03.8010405@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <521A4D03.8010405@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 20:18:35 +0000 (UTC) On 8/25/2013 11:29 AM, Michał Wiernowolski wrote: > I am also using the EPM6. It works very well and is quite versatile; > for example there are two auxiliary buses that can be routed pre or > post fader - something not so common in a small mixer. I was also > considering Allen-Heath ZED 14, but eventually it didn't fit my > budget. ZED 14 or 12FX with 6 mono channels should meet the > requirements. The smaller 10 and 10FX have different pre-amps, but > also two high impedance inputs as a bonus. I'm reading about this: pretty impressive for something so small and relatively inexpensive ($250 USD). It is 11 lbs which might preclude me from travelling with it, but still. rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 20:22:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 053D218355F; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 20:22:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: loopers-delight Subject: RE: Programming slightly more advanced midi stuff Thread-Topic: Programming slightly more advanced midi stuff Thread-Index: AQHOoSKPOQY7rAKxbUywxCxo7SEmtJmmMGmVgAAQqoCAAB3NAg== Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 20:23:52 +0000 Message-ID: <799e751176544ac68c8a35496c39828c@BN1PR04MB105.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: , In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [66.68.95.221] x-forefront-prvs: 09497C15EB x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM;SFS:(199002)(189002)(377454003)(74366001)(74876001)(19580395003)(80022001)(66066001)(65816001)(80976001)(16236675002)(81542001)(81342001)(69226001)(4396001)(47976001)(50986001)(74316001)(46102001)(49866001)(47736001)(83322001)(19580405001)(74706001)(51856001)(47446002)(74502001)(76796001)(76576001)(76786001)(63696002)(59766001)(77982001)(56776001)(54316002)(76482001)(79102001)(77096001)(56816003)(74662001)(31966008)(81686001)(53806001)(54356001)(81816001)(83072001)(33646001)(24736002);DIR:OUT;SFP:;SCL:1;SRVR:BN1PR04MB105;H:BN1PR04MB105.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;CLIP:66.68.95.221;RD:InfoNoRecords;A:1;MX:1;LANG:en; Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_799e751176544ac68c8a35496c39828cBN1PR04MB105namprd04pro_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: <1BmTM.A.8FD.LemGSB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 20:22:35 +0000 (UTC) --_000_799e751176544ac68c8a35496c39828cBN1PR04MB105namprd04pro_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > ON page 71 where it gives some hints as to the numbers.. 2-5 7-31 64-94 Yes, this suggests that it will do something when it receives these numbers= . > and then on page 76 where theres these lists of parameters, maybe one m= eans the other? The parameter numbers in this table range from 1 to 32 for a total of 33 pa= rameters. 7-31 is 25 distinct CCs and 64-94 is 31. So neither of those ra= nges is exactly 33 but the 33 might be split across them. The chart on 78 says Filter Attack is CC82. On 77 it has F_ENV_ATTACK as p= arameter 17. Filter Decay is CC83 and F_ENV_DECAY is prm18 so those both i= ncrease by one. But Filter Sustain which is prm19 jumps down to CC28 so th= e pattern isn't simple. You'll have to try them all and see what wiggles. Jeff ________________________________ From: markfrancombe@gmail.com on behalf of mark f= rancombe Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 1:34 PM To: loopers-delight Subject: Re: Programming slightly more advanced midi stuff WOW Jeff, This is amazing!! Im gonna have to take my time going thru this o= ne, and your last line looks a little UN promising for what I want... BUT You said I couldn't find a table where they describe what each CC number does for e= ach effect ON page 71 where it gives some hints as to the numbers.. 2-5 7-31 64-94 and then on page 76 where theres these lists of parameters, maybe one mean= s the other? The first good stuff i found is on page 77, and the numbers given on 78. Al= l these parameters are NOT under any control on the device at all, no menus= not knobs nothing... So being to adjust decay on the synth engine, is HUGE= , and filter envelopes. AMAZING The stuff I want to decipher is thei damn lists on pages 74 and 75... If I = can get them under iTouch control, is gonna be amazing! These controls ARE = possible with awkward menu shifts and stuff, but its risky... very easy to = stop the sequence to go into a mode you cant get out of without stopping Thanks Jeff... Im gonna check all this out... Mark --_000_799e751176544ac68c8a35496c39828cBN1PR04MB105namprd04pro_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> ON page 71 where it gives some hints as to the numbers.. 2-5 &nbs= p;7-31  64-94

Yes, this suggests that it will do something when it receives these nu= mbers.

>  and then on page 76 where theres these lists of parameters,=  maybe one means the other?

The parameter numbers in this table range from 1 to 32 for a total of = 33 parameters.  7-31 is 25 distinct CCs and 64-94 is 31.  So neit= her of those ranges is exactly 33 but the 33 might be split across them.

The chart on 78 says Filter Attack is CC82.  On 77 it has F_ENV_A= TTACK as parameter 17.  Filter Decay is CC83 and F_ENV_DECAY is prm18 = so those both increase by one.  But Filter Sustain which is prm19 jump= s down to CC28 so the pattern isn't simple.  You'll have to try them all and see what wiggles.

Jeff


From: markfrancombe@gmail.c= om <markfrancombe@gmail.com> on behalf of mark francombe <mark@mar= kfrancombe.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 1:34 PM
To: loopers-delight
Subject: Re: Programming slightly more advanced midi stuff
 
WOW Jeff, This is amazing!! Im gonna have to take my time = going thru this one, and your last line looks a little UN promising for wha= t I want...

BUT You said
 I couldn't find a table where they describe what each CC num= ber does for each effect

ON page 71 where it gives some hints as to the numbers.. 2-5  = ;7-31  64-94

and then on page 76 where theres these lists of parameters,  = maybe one means the other?

The first good stuff i found is on page 77, and the numbers given = on 78. All these parameters are NOT under any control on the device at all,= no menus not knobs nothing... So being to adjust decay on the synth engine, is HUGE, and filter envelopes. = AMAZING

The stuff I want to decipher is thei damn lists on pages 74 and 75= ... If I can get them under iTouch control, is gonna be amazing! These cont= rols ARE possible with awkward menu shifts and stuff, but its risky... very easy to stop the sequence to go in= to a mode you cant get out of without stopping

Thanks Jeff... Im gonna check all this out...

Mark



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How do you carry it around...=0A=0AAntony Hequet=0A=0A=0A_________= _______________________=0A De=A0: Brent Taylor =0A=C0=A0: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" =0AEnvoy=E9 le : Dimanche 25 ao=FBt 2013 16h14=0AObjet=A0: RE:= street rig=0A =0A=0A=0A =0AHey Antony,=0A=0AI've been putting together my = street rig too so you might be interested in what I've come up with.=0A=0AI= use a battery similar to this. Not this exact model but very similar:=0A= =0Ahttp://www.walmart.com/ip/Schumacher-Instant-Power-with-18-Ah-Battery-an= d-400W-Inverter/20851262=0A=0AMine is this one (not sure if they're still a= vailable like the one above):=0A=0Ahttp://www.amazon.com/Schumacher-PP-2200= -Portable-Outdoor-Power/dp/B002CG001E/ref=3Dcm_cr_pr_product_top=0A=0AIt we= ighs 15 lbs and is about 1 foot cubed.=0A=0AIt runs my Boss RC-300 and my F= ender Frontman 15b just fine (15 watt bass amp). It does seem to add a litt= le bit of buzz compared to a wall plug depending on how much stuff is plugg= ed into it, but it's not too bad. =0A=0AI wish I could comment a little bet= ter about battery life. I haven't yet used it long enough in one sitting to= say what the max life is. The amazon page says it has 22 amp hours, whatev= er that means. Most reviewers are saying they get about 6-8 hours with vari= ous devices.=0A=0A~Brent=0Awww.facebook.com/sciencegonewrong=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A________________________________=0ADate: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 19:21:22 +0100= =0AFrom: antony.hequet@yahoo.fr=0ASubject: Re: street rig=0ATo: Loopers-Del= ight@loopers-delight.com=0A=0A=0Ahello Per,=0A=0Afrom what I gather your ri= g is not the best for the bass part the stick but it has the advantage of b= eing light.=A0=0AI was looking at the Phil Jones Bass Cub for just that rea= son...=0AAre power sations with inverters necessarily heavy?=0ADid you ever= check out the Roland battery powered amp with built in looper...=0A=0AAnto= ny Hequet=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A De=A0: Per Boysen =0A=C0=A0: Loopers-Delight =0AEnvoy=E9 le : Dimanche 25 ao=FBt 2013 13h19=0AObjet=A0: Re: stre= et rig=0A =0A=0AOn Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Antony Hequet wrote:=0A> Any of you with knowledge and experience in this ar= ea, please help me make=0A> some wise battery and inverter choices, and may= be some advuce about how to=0A>=0A make it into a nice rig on wheels...=0A= =0A=0AIf you want to go with (the much more convenient) AA batteries you ca= n=0Acheck out Roland's amps on this page:=0Ahttp://www.roland.com/amp/batte= ry/index.html. I use the CUBE Street=0Afor a Stick Guitar, dual inputs - on= e channel per fretboard side, and=0Ait works very well on the street. I can= run at max volume knob=0Aposition 60 percent for the clean side (with opti= onal mic, but I use=0Ait for the bass side output from my instrument) and m= ax 40 percent=0Amaster volume knob position for the melody side. If going l= ouder on=0Athe master knobs the CUBE Street distorts in an unpleasant way. = I use=0Anone of the many available effects since they take off a bit of=0Ap= resence but I use the digital slap delay on both channels (since it=0Aadds = space without degrading the original tone). This is not screaming=0Aloud bu= t works well=0A on the street even for quite big areas. I've=0Anoticed that= I draw a bigger crowd when playing at a low volume and=0Aplacing the amp c= arefully to take advantage of reflecting surfaces on=0Athe pavement, a wall= behind me or a protruding store ceiling above. I=0Adial in a little more t= reble than sounds good and throw a good-looking=0Apiece of cloth over the s= peakers to damp it into the sonic sweet-spot;=0Athis makes the general soun= d more pleasant than you can achieve with=0Ajust the tone knobs of the amp.= =0A=0AI have tried my Grand Stick (36") on the CUBE Street but the low bass= =0Adoesn't come out so well. In fact nothing of the majestic Grand's=0Asoun= ds as good on the CUBE as the Stick Guitar (26,5") does. In case=0Ayou use = a higher tuning on your Stick it might work better though (I'm=0Aon MR here= ). The COSM amp sims all sound like crap to me, except for=0Aone that sound= s really good: the Classic (a Marshall) and I use it at=0Athe very=0A lowes= t gain setting for the melody side. This is an excellent=0Aallround sound f= or my busking. If you don't need that COSM thing you=0Amight find the KC-11= 0 a better choice because it handles bass=0Afrequencies better, is more pow= erful and has three input channels=0A(harmonica + 2 STick channels).=0A=0AI= 've been thinking about maybe adding a battery driven looper to my=0ACUBE S= treet and will then use a mic to catch the sound into the looper=0Aand feed= the looper's output into the CUBE's Aux input. Not sure this=0Awill happen= though, since using a Stick rather than a guitar allows=0Ayou do do a lot = of stuff directly by playing that you would otherwise=0Aneed looping to pul= l off. Anyway, my bottom line is that I am very=0Ahappy with the CUBE Stree= t. It fits into a shopping bag on wheels and=0Aleaves room for a big "buy t= his guy's CD" sign, a whawha pedal,=0Acables, extra stings and a one day st= ock of CDs. At home I have a=0Abattery=0A re-charger to fuel those six AA b= atteries during night-time.=0AThe thought of schlepping around that heavy o= ld-school battery=0Asolution feels just alien; with the light-weight rig I = have now I can=0Aeven walk up/down stairs carrying everything and I think t= hat's worth=0Aa lot.=0A=0A...=0AGreetings from Sweden=0A=0APer Boysen=0Awww= .perboysen.com=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/perboysen --1708739093-2106600842-1377462742=:83032 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hey Brent,

Ok, so we are moving on the same direction. hy did you c= hose this specific power sation over others?Do you find your set up bulky a= nd heavy... How do you carry it around...

<= /div>
Antony Hequet


De : Brent Taylor <threeleggedyoyo@hotmail.com>
=C0 : "Loopers-Delight@loopers-deli= ght.com" <loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com>
Envoy=E9 le : Dimanche 25 ao=FBt 2013 16h14=
Objet : RE: stre= et rig

=0A=0A=0A
Hey Antony,

I've been putting together my street rig too so= you might be interested in what I've come up with.

I use a battery = similar to this. Not this exact model but very similar:

http://www.walmart= .com/ip/Schumacher-Instant-Power-with-18-Ah-Battery-and-400W-Inverter/20851= 262

Mine is this one (not sure if they're still available like t= he one above):

http://www.amazon.com/Schumacher-PP-2200-Portable-= Outdoor-Power/dp/B002CG001E/ref=3Dcm_cr_pr_product_top

It weighs= 15 lbs and is about 1 foot cubed.

It runs my Boss RC-300 and my Fen= der Frontman 15b just fine (15 watt bass amp). It does seem to add a little bit of buzz compared to a wall plug depending on how much stuff is = plugged into it, but it's not too bad.

I wish I could comment a lit= tle better about battery life. I haven't yet used it long enough in one sit= ting to say what the max life is. The amazon page says it has 22 amp hours,= whatever that means. Most reviewers are saying they get about 6-8 hours wi= th various devices.

~Brent
www.face= book.com/sciencegonewrong




Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 19:21:22 +0100
From: antony.hequet@ya= hoo.fr
Subject: Re: street rig
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.co= m

hello Per,
from what I gather yo= ur rig is not the best for the bass part the stick but it has the advantage= of being light. 
I was looki= ng at the Phil Jones Bass Cub for just that reason...
Are power sations with inverters necessarily heavy?
Did you ever check out the Roland b= attery powered amp with built in looper...
Antony Hequet=


De : Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.= com>
=C0 : Loopers-Delight= <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Envoy=E9 le : Dimanche 25 ao=FBt 2013 13h19
<= span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Objet : Re: street rig
=

On Sun, = Aug 25, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Antony Hequet <antony.hequet@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> Any of you with k= nowledge and experience in this area, please help me make
> some wise= battery and inverter choices, and maybe some advuce about how to
>= =0A make it into a nice rig on wheels...


If you want to go with = (the much more convenient) AA batteries you can
check out Roland's amps = on this page:
http://www.roland.com/amp/battery/index.= html. I use the CUBE Street
for a Stick Guitar, dual inputs - one ch= annel per fretboard side, and
it works very well on the street. I can ru= n at max volume knob
position 60 percent for the clean side (with option= al mic, but I use
it for the bass side output from my instrument) and ma= x 40 percent
master volume knob position for the melody side. If going l= ouder on
the master knobs the CUBE Street distorts in an unpleasant way.= I use
none of the many available effects since they take off a bit ofpresence but I use the digital slap delay on both channels (since it
a= dds space without degrading the original tone). This is not screaming
lo= ud but works well=0A on the street even for quite big areas. I've
noticed = that I draw a bigger crowd when playing at a low volume and
placing the = amp carefully to take advantage of reflecting surfaces on
the pavement, = a wall behind me or a protruding store ceiling above. I
dial in a little= more treble than sounds good and throw a good-looking
piece of cloth ov= er the speakers to damp it into the sonic sweet-spot;
this makes the gen= eral sound more pleasant than you can achieve with
just the tone knobs o= f the amp.

I have tried my Grand Stick (36") on the CUBE Street but = the low bass
doesn't come out so well. In fact nothing of the majestic G= rand's
sounds as good on the CUBE as the Stick Guitar (26,5") does. In c= ase
you use a higher tuning on your Stick it might work better though (I= 'm
on MR here). The COSM amp sims all sound like crap to me, except for<= br>one that sounds really good: the Classic (a Marshall) and I use it atthe very=0A lowest gain setting for the melody side. This is an excellent<= br>allround sound for my busking. If you don't need that COSM thing you
= might find the KC-110 a better choice because it handles bass
frequencie= s better, is more powerful and has three input channels
(harmonica + 2 S= Tick channels).

I've been thinking about maybe adding a battery driv= en looper to my
CUBE Street and will then use a mic to catch the sound i= nto the looper
and feed the looper's output into the CUBE's Aux input. N= ot sure this
will happen though, since using a Stick rather than a guita= r allows
you do do a lot of stuff directly by playing that you would oth= erwise
need looping to pull off. Anyway, my bottom line is that I am ver= y
happy with the CUBE Street. It fits into a shopping bag on wheels and<= br>leaves room for a big "buy this guy's CD" sign, a whawha pedal,
cable= s, extra stings and a one day stock of CDs. At home I have a
battery=0A = re-charger to fuel those six AA batteries during night-time.
The thought= of schlepping around that heavy old-school battery
solution feels just = alien; with the light-weight rig I have now I can
even walk up/down stai= rs carrying everything and I think that's worth
a lot.

...
Gre= etings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://ww= w.youtube.com/perboysen



=09=09 =09 =09=09
=0A


=
--1708739093-2106600842-1377462742=:83032-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 20:44:35 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F20DD18355D; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 20:44:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=QQw7HkGF5w40IEYSagJd56Dcmhj5Mly0v3SKsrjzVug=; b=FiqEqTUstGt+wiBJAKDcUWiCBbrfWwzdQAehcQoUY/iAAjjPn2Mr/hheQbQ7DXeKKF wG9d/s3PmKka+DRqLunpa9hlrJz2ybSu0+AQqOfpzpkjYHzsX0YW2DqzH0xmUU0++qbe rPygZN0WaSVMHs50AM9eP4RjMkjGMNKqfv18AA7AzBiaOEKGXMt3m3jaYn+XDA8PY9bO y+88MAExUxYDDX93SjlIxd+yizoWZGBw2Ei+sEaX4zk/GrfLOnxqYLmIxfDDi8JUw1AM RxMbig6ThTmgPmI0wuQRNy46Q2UrZl+EyGhizcMoFBo2npy0yDlygeaplbxD28AcZR/K WtUQ== X-Received: by 10.66.219.233 with SMTP id pr9mr10886686pac.45.1377463551066; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 13:45:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 22:45:31 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: L5uVKuTzAtH0YwkOZK0pHoAyRHg Message-ID: Subject: Re: Programming slightly more advanced midi stuff To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b5d58e4a70af204e4cbb949 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 20:44:34 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b5d58e4a70af204e4cbb949 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 OK Ive gone thru your mail, My god its a hassle isnt it? The good news is that I understood it...! :) The bad news is... On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > In case it isn't obvious, what sucks about this is that you probably > cannot use this method with a continuous controller to sweep the parameter > value through it's range. Each movement of the knob/slider would have to > calculate a different sysex message to set position 0, position 1, position > 2, etc. I'm pretty sure TouchOSC doesn't support that. TouchOSC my or may not support it, but one thing I know.. I DONT SUPPORT IT! As the parameters I would have liked to have put under control of TouchOSC were the sliders on the sequencer, I think its a no no. The thing I was hoping to fix is that on the EF303, the sliders are, by default handling notes in the case of the synth) or sequenced parameters in the case of the efects section. YOu may also adjust the slide amount, the gate time, the velocity from these sliders, but then you must enter a new mode. It would have been handy to have these sliders all laid out in one screen and be able to adjust them live, but this means figuring out all these hex thingys 16 times, one for each step, TIMES 4 (one for each OTHER mystical parameter) This aint gonna happen!!! At least, not without many mistakes, and as you say, if I cant send the checksum anyhow.. its basically imposible!! Thanks for going thru all this for me, Jeff, its very mucg appreciated, you mail is a keeper, gone to Evernote, Im sure IM gonna need this at some time. :=) Mark -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe --047d7b5d58e4a70af204e4cbb949 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OK Ive gone thru your mail, My = god its a hassle isnt it? The good news is that I understood it...!

= :)

The= bad news is...

On Sun, Aug 25, 2= 013 at 7:35 PM, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wrote:
In case it isn't obvious, what sucks abo= ut this is that you probably cannot use this method with a continuous contr= oller to sweep the parameter value through it's range. =A0Each movement= of the knob/slider would have to calculate a different sysex message to set position 0, position 1, position 2, etc. =A0I'm pretty sure Tou= chOSC doesn't support that. =A0

TouchOS= C my or may not support it, but one thing I =A0know.. I DONT SUPPORT IT!
As the parameters I would have liked to have put under contr= ol of TouchOSC were the sliders on the sequencer, I think its a no no.
The thing I was hoping to fix is that on the EF303, the sliders are, = by default handling notes in the case of the synth) or sequenced parameters= in the case of the efects section. YOu may also adjust the slide amount, t= he gate time, the velocity from these sliders, but then you must enter a ne= w mode. It would have been handy to have these sliders all laid out in one = screen and be able to adjust them live, but this means figuring out all the= se hex thingys 16 times, one for each step, TIMES 4 (one for each OTHER mys= tical parameter) This aint gonna happen!!! At least, not without many mista= kes, and as you say, if I cant send the checksum anyhow.. its basically imp= osible!!

Thanks for going thru all this for me, Jeff, its = very mucg appreciated, you mail is a keeper, gone to Evernote, Im sure IM g= onna need this at some time.

:=3D)

Mark




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=
--047d7b5d58e4a70af204e4cbb949-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 23:50:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FDEC18355C; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 23:50:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-TMN: [IU2th+7mhN/ajG/ksg8ZzfhRBPWtJ6kF] X-Originating-Email: [threeleggedyoyo@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_9dc80dbb-780d-4895-9538-49de6299cd88_" From: Brent Taylor To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: street rig Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 17:51:18 -0600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1377462742.83032.YahooMailNeo@web171706.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> References: <5219EA3C.9050203@cruzio.com> <1377448267.67611.YahooMailNeo@web171704.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> ,<1377454882.62648.YahooMailNeo@web171701.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> ,<1377462742.83032.YahooMailNeo@web171706.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2013 23:51:19.0302 (UTC) FILETIME=[FEB68A60:01CEA1ED] Resent-Message-ID: <5oF6LC.A.poE.qgpGSB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 23:50:02 +0000 (UTC) --_9dc80dbb-780d-4895-9538-49de6299cd88_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Antony=2C I chose that model simply because it was affordable. I couldn't say whether= it's better or worse than other similar models. The model I have has been = discontinued so I imagine the ones on the market now are better. It cost me= about $80 at the time I believe. Moving stuff around isn't too bad=2C although it's a lot more to carry than= just a saxophone or something. I play a doubleneck bass/guitar so the case= is quite large. If I need to carry it all at once=2C I put the RC-300 in a= little padded bag. In one hand I've got the guitar case=2C and in the othe= r I've got the amp/RC-300 bag. Then in a backpack I've got the battery=2C e= xtension pedals=2C etc. I wouldn't go hiking that way or anything=2C but I = just need to get to and from my car. ~Brent www.facebook.com/sciencegonewrong Date: Sun=2C 25 Aug 2013 21:32:22 +0100 From: antony.hequet@yahoo.fr Subject: Re: street rig To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com hey Brent=2C Ok=2C so we are moving on the same direction. hy did you chose this specifi= c power sation over others?Do you find your set up bulky and heavy... How d= o you carry it around... Antony Hequet De : Brent Taylor =C0 : "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" =20 Envoy=E9 le : Dimanche 25 ao=FBt 2013 16h14 Objet : RE: street rig =20 =0A= =0A= =0A= Hey Antony=2C I've been putting together my street rig too so you might be interested in = what I've come up with. I use a battery similar to this. Not this exact model but very similar: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Schumacher-Instant-Power-with-18-Ah-Battery-and-4= 00W-Inverter/20851262 Mine is this one (not sure if they're still available like the one above): http://www.amazon.com/Schumacher-PP-2200-Portable-Outdoor-Power/dp/B002CG00= 1E/ref=3Dcm_cr_pr_product_top It weighs 15 lbs and is about 1 foot cubed. It runs my Boss RC-300 and my Fender Frontman 15b just fine (15 watt bass a= mp). It does seem to add a=0A= little bit of buzz compared to a wall plug depending on how much stuff is = plugged into it=2C but it's not too bad.=20 I wish I could comment a little better about battery life. I haven't yet us= ed it long enough in one sitting to say what the max life is. The amazon pa= ge says it has 22 amp hours=2C whatever that means. Most reviewers are sayi= ng they get about 6-8 hours with various devices. ~Brent www.facebook.com/sciencegonewrong Date: Sun=2C 25 Aug 2013 19:21:22 +0100 From: antony.hequet@yahoo.fr Subject: Re: street rig To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com hello Per=2C from what I gather your rig is not the best for the bass part the stick but= it has the advantage of being light. I was looking at the Phil Jones Bass = Cub for just that reason...Are power sations with inverters necessarily hea= vy?Did you ever check out the Roland battery powered amp with built in loop= er... Antony Hequet De : Per Boysen =0A= =C0 : Loopers-Delight =20 Envoy=E9 le : Dimanche 25 ao=FBt 2013 13h19 Objet : Re: street rig =20 On Sun=2C Aug 25=2C 2013 at 6:31 PM=2C Antony Hequet wrote: > Any of you with knowledge and experience in this area=2C please help me m= ake > some wise battery and inverter choices=2C and maybe some advuce about how= to >=0A= make it into a nice rig on wheels... If you want to go with (the much more convenient) AA batteries you can check out Roland's amps on this page: http://www.roland.com/amp/battery/index.html. I use the CUBE Street for a Stick Guitar=2C dual inputs - one channel per fretboard side=2C and it works very well on the street. I can run at max volume knob position 60 percent for the clean side (with optional mic=2C but I use it for the bass side output from my instrument) and max 40 percent master volume knob position for the melody side. If going louder on the master knobs the CUBE Street distorts in an unpleasant way. I use none of the many available effects since they take off a bit of presence but I use the digital slap delay on both channels (since it adds space without degrading the original tone). This is not screaming loud=0A= but works well=0A= on the street even for quite big areas. I've noticed that I draw a bigger crowd when playing at a low volume and placing the amp carefully to take advantage of reflecting surfaces on the pavement=2C a wall behind me or a protruding store ceiling above. I dial in a little more treble than sounds good and throw a good-looking piece of cloth over the speakers to damp it into the sonic sweet-spot=3B this makes the general sound more pleasant than you can achieve with just the tone knobs of the amp. I have tried my Grand Stick (36") on the CUBE Street but the low bass doesn't come out so well. In fact nothing of the majestic Grand's sounds as good on the CUBE as the Stick Guitar (26=2C5") does. In case you use a higher tuning on your Stick it might work better though (I'm on MR here). The COSM amp sims all sound like crap to me=2C except for one that sounds really good: the Classic (a Marshall) and I use it at the very=0A= lowest gain setting for the melody side. This is an excellent allround sound for my busking. If you don't need that COSM thing you might find the KC-110 a better choice because it handles bass frequencies better=2C is more powerful and has three input channels (harmonica + 2 STick channels). I've been thinking about maybe adding a battery driven looper to my CUBE Street and will then use a mic to catch the sound into the looper and feed the looper's output into the CUBE's Aux input. Not sure this will happen though=2C since using a Stick rather than a guitar allows you do do a lot of stuff directly by playing that you would otherwise need looping to pull off. Anyway=2C my bottom line is that I am very happy with the CUBE Street. It fits into a shopping bag on wheels and leaves room for a big "buy this guy's CD" sign=2C a whawha pedal=2C cables=2C extra stings and a one day stock of CDs. At home I have a battery=0A= re-charger to fuel those six AA batteries during night-time. The thought of schlepping around that heavy old-school battery solution feels just alien=3B with the light-weight rig I have now I can even walk up/down stairs carrying everything and I think that's worth a lot. ... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen =0A= = --_9dc80dbb-780d-4895-9538-49de6299cd88_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Antony=2C

I chose tha= t model simply because it was affordable. I couldn't say whether it's bette= r or worse than other similar models. The model I have has been discontinue= d so I imagine the ones on the market now are better. It cost me about $80 = at the time I believe.

Moving stuff around isn't too bad=2C although= it's a lot more to carry than just a saxophone or something. I play a doub= leneck bass/guitar so the case is quite large. If I need to carry it all at= once=2C I put the RC-300 in a little padded bag. In one hand I've got the = guitar case=2C and in the other I've got the amp/RC-300 bag. Then in a back= pack I've got the battery=2C extension pedals=2C etc. I wouldn't go hiking = that way or anything=2C but I just need to get to and from my car.

~= Brent
www.facebook.com/sciencegonewrong






=
Date: Sun=2C 25 Aug 2013 21:32:22 +0100
From: an= tony.hequet@yahoo.fr
Subject: Re: street rig
To: Loopers-Delight@loop= ers-delight.com

hey Brent=2C

Ok= =2C so we are moving on the same direction. hy did you chose this specific = power sation over others?Do you find your set up bulky and heavy... How do = you carry it around...

Antony Hequet


De =3B: Brent Taylor <=3Bthreeleggedyoyo@hotmail.= com>=3B
=C0 =3B: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <=3Bloopers-delight@loopers-delig= ht.com>=3B
Envoy=E9 le : Dimanche 25 ao=FBt 2013 16h14
Objet =3B: RE: street rig

=0A= =0A= =0A=
Hey Antony=2C

I've been putting together my st= reet rig too so you might be interested in what I've come up with.

I= use a battery similar to this. Not this exact model but very similar:
<= br>htt= p://www.walmart.com/ip/Schumacher-Instant-Power-with-18-Ah-Battery-and-400W= -Inverter/20851262

Mine is this one (not sure if they're still a= vailable like the one above):

http://www.amazon.com/Schumacher-PP-= 2200-Portable-Outdoor-Power/dp/B002CG001E/ref=3Dcm_cr_pr_product_top
It weighs 15 lbs and is about 1 foot cubed.

It runs my Boss RC-= 300 and my Fender Frontman 15b just fine (15 watt bass amp). It does seem t= o add a=0A= little bit of buzz compared to a wall plug depending on how much stuff is = plugged into it=2C but it's not too bad.

I wish I could comment a l= ittle better about battery life. I haven't yet used it long enough in one s= itting to say what the max life is. The amazon page says it has 22 amp hour= s=2C whatever that means. Most reviewers are saying they get about 6-8 hour= s with various devices.

~Brent
www.facebook.com/sciencegonewrong



<= div>
Date: Sun=2C 25 Aug 2013 19:21:= 22 +0100
From: antony.hequet@yahoo.fr
Subject: Re: street rig
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

from what I gather = your rig is not the best for the bass part the stick but it has the advanta= ge of being light. =3B
<= span>I was looking at the Phil Jones Bass Cub for just that reason...
Are power sations with inve= rters necessarily heavy?
<= span>Did you ever check out the Roland battery powered amp with built in lo= oper...

<= /div>
Antony Hequet


De =3B: Per Boysen <=3Bperbo= ysen@gmail.com>=3B
=0A= =C0 =3B: Loopers-Del= ight <=3BLoopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>=3B
Envoy=E9 le : Dimanche 25 ao=FBt 2013 13h1= 9
Objet =3B: Re: = street rig

On Sun=2C Aug 25=2C 2013 at 6:31 PM=2C Antony Hequet <=3Banto= ny.hequet@yahoo.fr>=3B wrote:
>=3B Any of you with knowledge and= experience in this area=2C please help me make
>=3B some wise battery= and inverter choices=2C and maybe some advuce about how to
>=3B=0A= make it into a nice rig on wheels...


If you want to go with (th= e much more convenient) AA batteries you can
check out Roland's amps on = this page:
http://www.roland.com/amp/battery/index.htm= l. I use the CUBE Street
for a Stick Guitar=2C dual inputs - one cha= nnel per fretboard side=2C and
it works very well on the street. I can r= un at max volume knob
position 60 percent for the clean side (with optio= nal mic=2C but I use
it for the bass side output from my instrument) and= max 40 percent
master volume knob position for the melody side. If goin= g louder on
the master knobs the CUBE Street distorts in an unpleasant w= ay. I use
none of the many available effects since they take off a bit o= f
presence but I use the digital slap delay on both channels (since itadds space without degrading the original tone). This is not screamingloud=0A= but works well=0A= on the street even for quite big areas. I've
noticed that I draw a bigg= er crowd when playing at a low volume and
placing the amp carefully to t= ake advantage of reflecting surfaces on
the pavement=2C a wall behind me= or a protruding store ceiling above. I
dial in a little more treble tha= n sounds good and throw a good-looking
piece of cloth over the speakers = to damp it into the sonic sweet-spot=3B
this makes the general sound mor= e pleasant than you can achieve with
just the tone knobs of the amp.
=
I have tried my Grand Stick (36") on the CUBE Street but the low bassdoesn't come out so well. In fact nothing of the majestic Grand's
soun= ds as good on the CUBE as the Stick Guitar (26=2C5") does. In case
you u= se a higher tuning on your Stick it might work better though (I'm
on MR = here). The COSM amp sims all sound like crap to me=2C except for
one tha= t sounds really good: the Classic (a Marshall) and I use it at
the very= =0A= lowest gain setting for the melody side. This is an excellent
allround = sound for my busking. If you don't need that COSM thing you
might find t= he KC-110 a better choice because it handles bass
frequencies better=2C = is more powerful and has three input channels
(harmonica + 2 STick chann= els).

I've been thinking about maybe adding a battery driven looper = to my
CUBE Street and will then use a mic to catch the sound into the lo= oper
and feed the looper's output into the CUBE's Aux input. Not sure th= is
will happen though=2C since using a Stick rather than a guitar allows=
you do do a lot of stuff directly by playing that you would otherwiseneed looping to pull off. Anyway=2C my bottom line is that I am very
h= appy with the CUBE Street. It fits into a shopping bag on wheels and
lea= ves room for a big "buy this guy's CD" sign=2C a whawha pedal=2C
cables= =2C extra stings and a one day stock of CDs. At home I have a
battery=0A= re-charger to fuel those six AA batteries during night-time.
The though= t of schlepping around that heavy old-school battery
solution feels just= alien=3B with the light-weight rig I have now I can
even walk up/down s= tairs carrying everything and I think that's worth
a lot.

...
= Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http:/= /www.youtube.com/perboysen



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= --_9dc80dbb-780d-4895-9538-49de6299cd88_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 00:34:44 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCF6618355B; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 00:34:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 602225.68249.bm@omp1021.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1377477359; bh=cUdY4jyHzxHHRqjtsaGD8kngTwwG6kA/u5DJV1j7308=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4mYujZQh0mUWIpIzGz1K6F3j5KB30+yt7SCrVIgESMPZXcgeuUaPKkCafmweibaUhJuoqcriP1mUBbCtXeNSjzy387/ei7GZszmbID5S3McH7jA2Oju20qI4c3qqSjdHfs9EV/5EGrCl2jzkxcXLsmamwT7LQpnrB36HSXgrWJ8= X-YMail-OSG: KSDfR74VM1mBNVKNkwkMKMmgaJeB1wTDuu6bkUJKtR3Ms.N jTJw_GyhJ7MCeilTXsfCrwltN.om5Agg11TqGbGcWMFW.Tn1TMY8DTOpV3YD oy6Awo.6KkgmBylQAEcVf_vXfVuP8a5yrIyoOPXOpto7WUDkQTUCHmCCw6zV BBbyUTpWz7MkvhxnqfkzjJm5ox4rPH_wohdXB_N1YoZfOS0tw6jOjzVz2in2 ZQieK1OkPZj3dZarMI5XQBNkl3OXCWlvDpMSzMVVifWvk53TTItE5LpFXesB L8raD0zP8tizJ3776CRcPXqpdw5OjHMEoZ6ZbQlwSD_J1gj5C.HUJ4Y1i0jm xSN7tUwlcNnwqoFbeAa1bZechkY5Js_YHGOsdxJekPa83F1IM_xOqU9sPQS4 sWtmJdf2EfM9qI.5VpZqk684keQqf3l7jRVWmQdOlfPHehQduQ78AzZCBVgy FsCVi1zZZugxTOL8q4dgiNpEMfN1h8DWphLhuMzmhUsfrvEF9pPzEETi.Zz7 vQ5aTxpz7C1GBCGuLZm29gJ0CvM1N8UE2eFRzY5pwECU7n6ernVKimwksuEf YyX586B5NtzC4aqvF3xvwNjIp1lqznoIjenBqI35SF1WNRH6B0zmqCPGwbkU 0iBU9BvA- X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,CgpObyBkaXNyZXNwZWN0IGludGVuZGVkIHRvIG9sJyAiUm9ubm8sIiBidXQgVG93bnNoZW5kIHdhcyBkb2luZyBpdCBpbiB0aGUgbGF0ZSAnNjBzLiAKCgoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KIEZyb206IGFuZHkgYnV0bGVyIDxha2J1dGxlckB0aXNjYWxpLmNvLnVrPgpUbzogTG9vcGVycy1EZWxpZ2h0QGxvb3BlcnMtZGVsaWdodC5jb20gClNlbnQ6IFN1bmRheSwgQXVndXN0IDI1LCAyMDEzIDY6MTYgQU0KU3ViamVjdDogUmU6IEtJTEwgU1dJVENIL2VsZWN0cmljIGd1aXRhciByZWMBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.155.576 References: <52173B0A.2010904@cruzio.com> <5219D990.1000302@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <1377477358.75540.YahooMailNeo@web120304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 17:35:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Mungenast Reply-To: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: KILL SWITCH/electric guitar recommendations? To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <5219D990.1000302@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="877965879-323752245-1377477358=:75540" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 00:34:43 +0000 (UTC) --877965879-323752245-1377477358=:75540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii No disrespect intended to ol' "Ronno," but Townshend was doing it in the late '60s. ________________________________ From: andy butler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 6:16 AM Subject: Re: KILL SWITCH/electric guitar recommendations? Rick Walker wrote: > I also suppose that it wouldn't be too difficult to have a switch that > reversed the function of each "kill switch". To do this passively this would require a 2 pole switch for each kill. (harder to find something with a good action). To do it actively would be possible. Don't know if he was the innovator, but Mick Ronson was using his p/u switch as a kill way back in the 70's. andy --877965879-323752245-1377477358=:75540 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

No disrespect intended to ol' "Ronno," but Townshend was doing it in the late '60s.


From: andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 6:16 AM
Subject: Re: KILL SWITCH/electric guitar recommendations?



Rick Walker wrote:

> I also suppose that it wouldn't be too difficult to have a switch that
> reversed the function of each "kill switch".

To do this passively this would require a 2 pole switch for each kill.
(harder to find something with a good action).

To do it actively would be possible.


Don't know if he was the innovator, but Mick
Ronson was using his p/u switch as a kill way back
in the 70's.

andy




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On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 6:06 PM, Jeff= Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wrote:
> But I've also heard that video game switches can be faster to mani= pulate
> than typical guitar styled 'kill switches'.

That's what Buckethead uses.

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I think they look cool, depending on the guitar.



--
richard sale= s
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From: Art Simon To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <8dTYTC.A.9qF.VKrGSB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 01:42:45 +0000 (UTC) I hadn't seen the buckethead guitar with the arcade kill switches. Very cool. 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So, Question: Using the maxim "less is more" (a maxim that I abhor and can see no value in whatsoever) I am wondering the following thing. My rig (simplified) is thus. Various Audio Sources >> mixer >> send out >> daisy chain cable to various loopers >> loopers >> mixer. Therefore, I have the possibility, risking feedback, of looping a looper. However I NEVER use this function, and was wondering. If I simply SPLIT the signal from my various audio devices BEFORE the mixer (passively, just on a patch bay, and go direct into the daisy chain cable to the loopers, NOT via the send, THEN there is one less audio stage the signal must go thru. I will have less level control (currently I have the channel send level controls AND an overall send level control) but I can still set input levels individually on the loopers... Is this sound Audiowise? Or should this splitting be done with some kinda amp? (Bare in mind that I have no money left (after the Gordius purchase, expected any day) or Rack space, for any other products! Mark -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe --e89a8ff1c3501a3c8904e4d391df Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,=A0

Once a year I have a bash at trying to= clean up my rig, change some cables, work on better audio path, and try to= get rid of some more hiss, hum and filth.

So, Que= stion:

Using the maxim "less is more" (a maxim that = I abhor and can see no value in whatsoever) I am wondering the following th= ing.

My rig (simplified) is thus.=A0

Various Audio Sources >> mixer >> send out >> = daisy chain cable to various loopers >> loopers >> mixer.
Therefore, I have the possibility, risking feedback, of looping a looper.=

However I NEVER use this function, and was wondering.=A0
If I simply= SPLIT the signal from my various audio devices BEFORE the mixer (passively= , just on a patch bay, and go direct into the daisy chain cable to the loop= ers, NOT via the send, THEN there is one less audio stage the signal must g= o thru. I will have less level control (currently I have the channel send l= evel controls AND an overall send level control) but I can still set input = levels individually on the loopers...

Is this sound Audiowise? Or should this splitting be do= ne with some kinda amp? (Bare in mind that I have no money left (after the = Gordius purchase, expected any day) or Rack space, for any other products!<= /div>

Mark
--e89a8ff1c3501a3c8904e4d391df-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 08:19:12 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB8CD18355F; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 08:19:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=sChQ1BzK1JTCd43vW9QVl/BmIQyfW5QcfcfXjju00HU=; b=V26A7flWsb54b0LK+Bc2pNzDxOp53xSoj49Eo80WnBvayaFviU0qk/0tgfwf5lpFzC Hljueic2UCghFCOKYDlCxjTf2UMCKs+WeN1/qOIHa9hIE6yQTw/6skvKivw14WN5aYSB U5E9zIWYnLPytJG7IW3+ddlZJIRRjEkJRAkJw74woXBG02jhY3M1vKEphp8PCBvoxd8l meWyqsYnsSSolXfw0ilb9Ujw5u6Q7otZsOtTzMeAfecGaaxaO7/C8vPSp616Jgl2Gkt/ aR8CWoWv8D7LGkspTXVAcTmDvVEnoKctj9liPLiC5uWAkCdnJDtX6/mDdp9kVWUG0fKJ jlWw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.249.50 with SMTP id yr18mr1354564vdc.25.1377505227853; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 01:20:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:20:27 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Audio path tweakage From: Per Boysen To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01495490c8551d04e4d56d28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 08:19:12 +0000 (UTC) --089e01495490c8551d04e4d56d28 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Doing so would mean that you will lose the capability to cut out bad frequecies in all you signals before summing or sending to looprrs. To me that sounds like a big sacrifice. Have you applied noise gates at strategic places? Cleaning out noise floor shit transforms the noise into becomimg part of the music, making ot all sound punchier Den m=C3=A5ndagen den 26:e augusti 2013 skrev mark francombe: > Hi, > > Once a year I have a bash at trying to clean up my rig, change some > cables, work on better audio path, and try to get rid of some more hiss, > hum and filth. > > So, Question: > > Using the maxim "less is more" (a maxim that I abhor and can see no value > in whatsoever) I am wondering the following thing. > > My rig (simplified) is thus. > > Various Audio Sources >> mixer >> send out >> daisy chain cable to variou= s > loopers >> loopers >> mixer. > > Therefore, I have the possibility, risking feedback, of looping a looper. > > However I NEVER use this function, and was wondering. > If I simply SPLIT the signal from my various audio devices BEFORE the > mixer (passively, just on a patch bay, and go direct into the daisy chain > cable to the loopers, NOT via the send, THEN there is one less audio stag= e > the signal must go thru. I will have less level control (currently I have > the channel send level controls AND an overall send level control) but I > can still set input levels individually on the loopers... > > Is this sound Audiowise? Or should this splitting be done with some kinda > amp? (Bare in mind that I have no money left (after the Gordius purchase, > expected any day) or Rack space, for any other products! > > Mark > > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > --=20 ... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen --089e01495490c8551d04e4d56d28 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Doing so would mean that you will lose the =C2=A0capability to cut out bad = frequecies in all you signals before summing or sending to looprrs. To me t= hat sounds like a big sacrifice.=C2=A0

Have you applied = noise gates at strategic places? Cleaning out noise floor shit transforms t= he noise into becomimg part of=C2=A0the music, making ot all= =C2=A0sound punchier

Den m=C3=A5ndagen den 26:e augusti 2013 skrev mark francombe:
Hi,=C2=A0

Once a yea= r I have a bash at trying to clean up my rig, change some cables, work on b= etter audio path, and try to get rid of some more hiss, hum and filth.

So, Question:

Using the maxim "less is more" (a maxim that = I abhor and can see no value in whatsoever) I am wondering the following th= ing.

My rig (simplified) is thus.=C2=A0

Various Audio Sources >> mixer >> send out >> = daisy chain cable to various loopers >> loopers >> mixer.
Therefore, I have the possibility, risking feedback, of looping a looper.=

However I NEVER use this function, and was wondering.=C2=A0
If I sim= ply SPLIT the signal from my various audio devices BEFORE the mixer (passiv= ely, just on a patch bay, and go direct into the daisy chain cable to the l= oopers, NOT via the send, THEN there is one less audio stage the signal mus= t go thru. I will have less level control (currently I have the channel sen= d level controls AND an overall send level control) but I can still set inp= ut levels individually on the loopers...

Is this sound Audiowise? Or should this splitting be do= ne with some kinda amp? (Bare in mind that I have no money left (after the = Gordius purchase, expected any day) or Rack space, for any other products!<= /div>

Mark


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Greetings from Sweden

Per B= oysen
www.perboys= en.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
--089e01495490c8551d04e4d56d28-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 08:33:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DADCB183559; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 08:33:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=QWOW9Ob7CuUh8PFzBF7tW2YTipKiJcmd+TasmwAXA1o=; b=iuCPTmBz7U6Bd9sYv4ujNNvwdzfgUm9ibpiVP3KhUFOaqRIX8DVNz/PhiG6YAnrVH9 y+BWOpenMlmYg8uzPoF8nVCNumdpobuRNXEVQXx9SRdPeZg8y36ttPbDBRM7iOIZ/jhX j8PXBsb7uzi/J8fd3f1l7u0xwjkW2Yeu7bFBSUbuXpg7XOnTEGO1HLyQwfU9LTct3cPS 9wyELZiFpoGIlqlyAeRA4NclLpcGFs51C/Pwd+9r7dnuPrDxBZYwfagBnaY+pk5mXka0 qUyQqoCcSWHu0pJS92xmfNpB92tQscChacQx93HfqdbChjJmDeh+lCP0SpPfcDgJviK5 gZ4A== X-Received: by 10.66.189.98 with SMTP id gh2mr13480050pac.60.1377506056578; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 01:34:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:33:56 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: EUbgRJnbAubuJNPRBt8csmyKi1w Message-ID: Subject: Re: Audio path tweakage To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bf0e0482dadf404e4d59fff Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 08:33:01 +0000 (UTC) --047d7bf0e0482dadf404e4d59fff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nope, I dont have any eq OR possiblility to add Noisegates into my mixer. Its just a 1U line mixer, noisy as fuck. Thats part of the reason why I want to miss out using its Aux Send to the loopers. I eq all my noise sources in their specific boxes. 2 of them are synth devices only, not too noisy, another is the GR55, noisy dependant on patch, so usually has a volume pedal, mute switch OR the patch Isnt noisy... But I must admit, that Im looking at a less than ideal situation, The ideal being a 1U mixer with 2 sends. I just dont have one... simple as that! Mark On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Doing so would mean that you will lose the capability to cut out bad > frequecies in all you signals before summing or sending to looprrs. To me > that sounds like a big sacrifice. > > Have you applied noise gates at strategic places? Cleaning out noise floo= r > shit transforms the noise into becomimg part of the music, making ot > all sound punchier > > Den m=E5ndagen den 26:e augusti 2013 skrev mark francombe: > > Hi, >> >> Once a year I have a bash at trying to clean up my rig, change some >> cables, work on better audio path, and try to get rid of some more hiss, >> hum and filth. >> >> So, Question: >> >> Using the maxim "less is more" (a maxim that I abhor and can see no valu= e >> in whatsoever) I am wondering the following thing. >> >> My rig (simplified) is thus. >> >> Various Audio Sources >> mixer >> send out >> daisy chain cable to >> various loopers >> loopers >> mixer. >> >> Therefore, I have the possibility, risking feedback, of looping a looper= . >> >> However I NEVER use this function, and was wondering. >> If I simply SPLIT the signal from my various audio devices BEFORE the >> mixer (passively, just on a patch bay, and go direct into the daisy chai= n >> cable to the loopers, NOT via the send, THEN there is one less audio sta= ge >> the signal must go thru. I will have less level control (currently I hav= e >> the channel send level controls AND an overall send level control) but I >> can still set input levels individually on the loopers... >> >> Is this sound Audiowise? Or should this splitting be done with some kind= a >> amp? (Bare in mind that I have no money left (after the Gordius purchase= , >> expected any day) or Rack space, for any other products! >> >> Mark >> >> >> -- >> *Mark Francombe* >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no >> twitter @markfrancombe >> > > > -- > ... > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe --047d7bf0e0482dadf404e4d59fff Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nope, I dont have any eq OR possiblility to add Noisegates= into my mixer. Its just a 1U line mixer, noisy as fuck. Thats part of the = reason why I want to miss out using its Aux Send to the loopers. I eq all m= y noise sources in their specific boxes. 2 of them are synth devices only, = not too noisy, another is the GR55, noisy dependant on patch, so usually ha= s a volume pedal, mute switch OR the patch Isnt noisy...

But I must admit, that Im looking at a less than ideal situa= tion, The ideal being a 1U mixer with 2 sends.
I just dont have o= ne... simple as that!

Mark


On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Per Bo= ysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
Doing so would mean that you will lose the =A0capability to cut out bad fre= quecies in all you signals before summing or sending to looprrs. To me that= sounds like a big sacrifice.=A0

Have you applied noise = gates at strategic places? Cleaning out noise floor shit transforms the noi= se into becomimg part of=A0the music, making ot all=A0sound pu= nchier

Den m=E5ndagen den 26:e augusti 2013 skrev mark francombe:

Hi,=A0
Once a year I have a bash at trying to clean up my rig, change some cables,= work on better audio path, and try to get rid of some more hiss, hum and f= ilth.

So, Question:

Using the maxim "less is more" (a maxim that = I abhor and can see no value in whatsoever) I am wondering the following th= ing.

My rig (simplified) is thus.=A0

Various Audio Sources >> mixer >> send out >> = daisy chain cable to various loopers >> loopers >> mixer.
Therefore, I have the possibility, risking feedback, of looping a looper.=

However I NEVER use this function, and was wondering.=A0
If I simply= SPLIT the signal from my various audio devices BEFORE the mixer (passively= , just on a patch bay, and go direct into the daisy chain cable to the loop= ers, NOT via the send, THEN there is one less audio stage the signal must g= o thru. I will have less level control (currently I have the channel send l= evel controls AND an overall send level control) but I can still set input = levels individually on the loopers...

Is this sound Audiowise? Or should this splitting be do= ne with some kinda amp? (Bare in mind that I have no money left (after the = Gordius purchase, expected any day) or Rack space, for any other products!<= /div>

Mark


--
...
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.you= tube.com/perboysen



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--047d7bf0e0482dadf404e4d59fff-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 08:40:25 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E67D1183562; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 08:40:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:in-reply-to:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=9fTKuTQFcEAq5uEE10WTJNFmH8X4daDyO3H0xlOQtE8=; b=zqZSZH8K3uCWydoA6FBfNAiPHKs797rV2FfEkczJ6MUtlgZCBgzjVLoDcmq/N8qdDN Gg3S/V2nU3IeHVeAxa8IJTviheUfgR5SzA60s05kFgj1YP3QMTfWfDdxKLmE+PK4GaSR vfPhD2p5R7/WBLXKgQ3WuW0YXZ7bawyKyW2We/O0KXSwPKzJC5R0A0mFlL8yOCjXQzsW ymPP98fzWe9xKVYhfz8bbTWGH/NjyYS/mDtOojw04VacV23WTJ0g28ybrVCVQUA+uc16 HTw//3XxigJrhyLpE7IM4xKkG7ZnkuM/CmtB5mfYorm3XytKkpyy23sb6QT8ceJZNuR+ j5lA== X-Received: by 10.180.182.15 with SMTP id ea15mr6748485wic.16.1377506497794; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 01:41:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Audio path tweakage References: From: Simeon Harris Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--232593480 X-Mailer: iPod Mail (8C148) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:42:39 +0100 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 8C148) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 08:40:24 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--232593480 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I used to to this in my rack. I used a simple passive headphone splitter and= it worked just fine. No extra noise whatsoever.=20 Sent from my iPod On 26 Aug 2013, at 07:06, mark francombe wrote: > Hi,=20 >=20 > Once a year I have a bash at trying to clean up my rig, change some cables= , work on better audio path, and try to get rid of some more hiss, hum and f= ilth. >=20 > So, Question: >=20 > Using the maxim "less is more" (a maxim that I abhor and can see no value i= n whatsoever) I am wondering the following thing. >=20 > My rig (simplified) is thus.=20 >=20 > Various Audio Sources >> mixer >> send out >> daisy chain cable to various= loopers >> loopers >> mixer. >=20 > Therefore, I have the possibility, risking feedback, of looping a looper. >=20 > However I NEVER use this function, and was wondering.=20 > If I simply SPLIT the signal from my various audio devices BEFORE the mixe= r (passively, just on a patch bay, and go direct into the daisy chain cable t= o the loopers, NOT via the send, THEN there is one less audio stage the sign= al must go thru. I will have less level control (currently I have the channe= l send level controls AND an overall send level control) but I can still set= input levels individually on the loopers... >=20 > Is this sound Audiowise? Or should this splitting be done with some kinda a= mp? (Bare in mind that I have no money left (after the Gordius purchase, exp= ected any day) or Rack space, for any other products! >=20 > Mark >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe --Apple-Mail-1--232593480 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
I used to to this in my rack. I used a simple passive headphone splitter and it worked just fine. No extra noise whatsoever. 

Sent from my iPod

On 26 Aug 2013, at 07:06, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:

Hi, 

Once a year I have a bash at trying to clean up my rig, change some cables, work on better audio path, and try to get rid of some more hiss, hum and filth.

So, Question:

Using the maxim "less is more" (a maxim that I abhor and can see no value in whatsoever) I am wondering the following thing.

My rig (simplified) is thus. 

Various Audio Sources >> mixer >> send out >> daisy chain cable to various loopers >> loopers >> mixer.

Therefore, I have the possibility, risking feedback, of looping a looper.

However I NEVER use this function, and was wondering. 
If I simply SPLIT the signal from my various audio devices BEFORE the mixer (passively, just on a patch bay, and go direct into the daisy chain cable to the loopers, NOT via the send, THEN there is one less audio stage the signal must go thru. I will have less level control (currently I have the channel send level controls AND an overall send level control) but I can still set input levels individually on the loopers...

Is this sound Audiowise? Or should this splitting be done with some kinda amp? (Bare in mind that I have no money left (after the Gordius purchase, expected any day) or Rack space, for any other products!

Mark
--Apple-Mail-1--232593480-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 08:55:45 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D490118355F; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 08:55:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=8QE71JwAx5lLkv28lg98Uiin6gtRsmkHJSgukxAJnwE=; b=wZ9cwr/XPCc494BNx9TaRcFLF/gGcm7nwxkFpNzg77Jr7hHESj06I364vlqE3iaVca 7kervUb4tGjDpIdmOWi5zgqHa2b67nzdHg8GRqHEMOnfe8XyYdqN6rAQoENN0FR0e/r/ sSkrFjufXWb5kuz4qJNbe1mhQ7W4b+ArAn6nK4c+6nNH2XoCs3KhBS9HKbjZvu1GVN9q q2Nz3eN/HXEC4isn+4afsph8v59kqS4k3cGAVo6LX8joVcMrLg5egZYmvEDBeNVEzhdN LWPnSlkE5Od2Id6sxlpsnpMVFxsz2pfZjawormpgoK1nbkwXmIWLUhZRicaUefj7mrNd QcWg== X-Received: by 10.68.225.232 with SMTP id rn8mr14022391pbc.32.1377507420632; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 01:57:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:56:40 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: lfXNAb1cl7E3XEZjh8qfw9tDB6g Message-ID: Subject: Re: Audio path tweakage To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b2ee2837b7a4704e4d5f08d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 08:55:45 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b2ee2837b7a4704e4d5f08d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Velly interesting, passive headphone mixer.. is this a big thing? as in size? got a name... off to google.. thanks! Mark On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Simeon Harris < simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > I used to to this in my rack. I used a simple passive headphone splitter > and it worked just fine. No extra noise whatsoever. > > Sent from my iPod > > On 26 Aug 2013, at 07:06, mark francombe wrote: > > Hi, > > Once a year I have a bash at trying to clean up my rig, change some > cables, work on better audio path, and try to get rid of some more hiss, > hum and filth. > > So, Question: > > Using the maxim "less is more" (a maxim that I abhor and can see no value > in whatsoever) I am wondering the following thing. > > My rig (simplified) is thus. > > Various Audio Sources >> mixer >> send out >> daisy chain cable to various > loopers >> loopers >> mixer. > > Therefore, I have the possibility, risking feedback, of looping a looper. > > However I NEVER use this function, and was wondering. > If I simply SPLIT the signal from my various audio devices BEFORE the > mixer (passively, just on a patch bay, and go direct into the daisy chain > cable to the loopers, NOT via the send, THEN there is one less audio stage > the signal must go thru. I will have less level control (currently I have > the channel send level controls AND an overall send level control) but I > can still set input levels individually on the loopers... > > Is this sound Audiowise? Or should this splitting be done with some kinda > amp? (Bare in mind that I have no money left (after the Gordius purchase, > expected any day) or Rack space, for any other products! > > Mark > > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe --047d7b2ee2837b7a4704e4d5f08d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Velly interesting, passive headphone mixer.. is this a big= thing? as in size? got a name...

off to google.. thanks!

Mark


On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Simeon Harris <simeonharris4= 0@googlemail.com> wrote:
I used to to this in my rack. I used a simple= passive headphone splitter and it worked just fine. No extra noise whatsoe= ver.=A0

Sent from my iPod

On 26= Aug 2013, at 07:06, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:

Hi,=A0=

Once a year I have a bash at trying to clean up my rig, chang= e some cables, work on better audio path, and try to get rid of some more h= iss, hum and filth.

So, Question:

Using the maxim "less is more" (a maxim that = I abhor and can see no value in whatsoever) I am wondering the following th= ing.

My rig (simplified) is thus.=A0

Various Audio Sources >> mixer >> send out >> = daisy chain cable to various loopers >> loopers >> mixer.
Therefore, I have the possibility, risking feedback, of looping a looper.=

However I NEVER use this function, and was wondering.=A0
If I simply= SPLIT the signal from my various audio devices BEFORE the mixer (passively= , just on a patch bay, and go direct into the daisy chain cable to the loop= ers, NOT via the send, THEN there is one less audio stage the signal must g= o thru. I will have less level control (currently I have the channel send l= evel controls AND an overall send level control) but I can still set input = levels individually on the loopers...

Is this sound Audiowise? Or should this splitting be do= ne with some kinda amp? (Bare in mind that I have no money left (after the = Gordius purchase, expected any day) or Rack space, for any other products!<= /div>

Mark



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--047d7b2ee2837b7a4704e4d5f08d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 09:30:10 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0837518355C; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:30:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=TDlos3qAoiK6v4EnmZCobdhsl4AgYdK2E4ZffyZLYqY=; b=VESKzhNnd6zjEtM+QunwMzKZ0DlfCmY7lOK8kgO90xjw1eD8dlLgmUnqhcIUrHSS9p 7kBVhHKrtlELH4cgJW7S9m8DDhx+QgMSlJcNEH4d8KAoMXf6eqEqEC+L2kisG9+pk0w9 0Y2PoWvK9wcQsH1a+KNM+OzfLVPoZ9gLva6LPBGVP8mrX9LMDNeNimd8snOhPbgkR1SA xJo72iOGNDHSFpfJJllN54uo6pqRX8mus74DB9FOKSYPYwSxvAxiG4dJZGSXD65CAQ3o hys0nNF89GApdPSpAcPS4nShTjzGgjDdZa1Lvw0E8XrgRzdS6nOEMCa5H3Agusbibc2f eK6g== X-Received: by 10.180.208.45 with SMTP id mb13mr6897359wic.27.1377509484400; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 02:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Subject: Re: Audio path tweakage From: Simeon Harris In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:31:21 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:30:09 +0000 (UTC) i actually have two... the MTR PS-4, which is the one i used in my rack and i also have a = smaller powered one with individual volume controls for each split, = called the Yoga AH-04, but you need a wall wart to power it. my rack was = a stereo, line level environment, so i used Y-cables. should be fine if = you're running mono though. On 26 Aug 2013, at 09:56, mark francombe wrote: > Velly interesting, passive headphone mixer.. is this a big thing? as = in size? got a name... >=20 > off to google.. thanks! >=20 > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 10:10:40 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CE84183558; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:10:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <521B29E7.7000102@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 11:11:51 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Audio path tweakage References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:10:39 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > Is this sound Audiowise? yes, and a Y-cable is just as good as a passive splitter (probably better) As always, if you try it and it sounds bad then... andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 10:29:06 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C88718355C; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:29:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2243 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at arsenic; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:29:04 UTC Message-ID: <521B2770.505@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 12:01:20 +0200 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: KILL SWITCH/electric guitar recommendations? References: <5216BA97.9010003@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <5216BA97.9010003@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:29:05 +0000 (UTC) I don't have this on my guitars, but I know many are using the so-called vandal-safe ones. Some can be good looking, like black, brushed stainless.., and not oversized. Try a search on sevenstring.org/forum where it's regularly being discussed. (google: "site:sevenstring.org/forum killswitch") /m Rick Walker wrote: > I had a URL for a KILL SWITCH for a custom tenor guitar > I"m having made, but it no longer is extant. > > These came highly recommended and I wondered if anyone has any > experience with them. > http://www.shadow-electronics.com/viewart.html?id=309&search=1 > > But I've also heard that video game switches can be faster to manipulate > than > typical guitar styled 'kill switches'. > > The standard toggle switch on a guitar is not really fast enough for very > quick 'slicing and dicing' techniques, so I wondered, what's the poop > on KILL SWITCHES? > > Anyone know what Torn uses, out of curiosity? > > Thanks, > > Rick Walker -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 12:49:58 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72A20183559; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 12:49:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=EdYQt6gnVsLpgYNtBx3G37AYfg1TEimpL1kG4Cb2eCU=; b=kwWZfXrITdJ2MrjT4LJyQAN825DbJsEly9dwO61wyK/kiygfQTmiE9uMIAswLRwU/m WAduwD7eFQZq+1ZLywqsL0lVlIk98u+BuvkI/AFQDJJ1d1yWjo8PUvlGJOoPzmd4h2JE 8Vv/UZEB2hTSLW6wZrsn5foVUgdb2kC8ytL3DYgcer9JrkbQLYaPDw9MTEGcZjYJvsJw YXD7HSTlXMpGKxubXofmqCKleTgIM9TgFKqWCcdJV1uxxOyXUeJ4y9X18TWrS2tuE//W IGBongs308+LHfq6u4pSEqgxAGOb9l900WmwasRs3mPQuLvSTYYH0KGDDS7YA78vhGHq wQVQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.137.231 with SMTP id ql7mr15281307pbb.37.1377521472142; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 05:51:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2AF34229-E8E1-46D3-8E5A-D8E85817521A@icloud.com> References: <5219EA3C.9050203@cruzio.com> <2AF34229-E8E1-46D3-8E5A-D8E85817521A@icloud.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 08:51:12 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Best high quality,super compact mixer? From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b2e43c604858304e4d936de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 12:49:58 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b2e43c604858304e4d936de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Andrrew Owens wrote: > Sylvain what was your idea for Rick with the RME? > The Fireface 800 and the UFX have a built-in matrix mixer that you normally control through the Total Mix software. However, you can control everything from a midi controller in standalone mode, so it can be used as a mixer or patchbay. Its ability to save preset mixes makes it a really useful tool in the studio or on stage. If you have one read your manual, its all in there. Sylvain --047d7b2e43c604858304e4d936de Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Andrrew Owens <rootpile@icloud.com&= gt; wrote:
Sylvain what was your idea for Rick wit= h the RME?

The Firef= ace 800 and the UFX have a built-in matrix mixer that you normally control = through the Total Mix software. =A0However, you can control everything from= a midi controller in standalone mode, so it can be used as a mixer or patc= hbay. =A0Its ability to save preset mixes makes it a really useful tool in = the studio or on stage. =A0If you have one read your manual, its all in the= re.

Sylvain

--047d7b2e43c604858304e4d936de-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 15:57:42 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E781318355D; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 15:57:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=7olHPoiuYyF9JYRaS285JDvPWIEbUKxCQTJVxZq0V40=; b=ZAphrL2sUbXY//GRB7QlsaxoISMJQEc85gslQ/L42M1byeEPl7FjstZzai4kECK45r 2+2LiRyzgEACQA89wOkbgZILKPlbulkDofwL44V8ViSYUYSNTM8XtLtqwKzG3Ft6ja3Q T/jRdPru8MwTVYcc5YPtBAJyy2L3so0tPtMbCNccWan+w19IJT5vTFmSFUlMMFhOtaoZ sD1zzYhCkng0od+uJ/U2kjJE+TbW+GmB9b5vdfA8I/3VN9NfDy8kwlM0cGJbb6gi2o4f drijyha8yyd4OgEPUXaIchpRW5siGm/LAaXEdSYWh2wTNZNCmxKMx+uQXv2KHXzSOkkd IcxA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.94.137 with SMTP id dc9mr2322720wjb.38.1377532734617; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 08:58:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5219EA3C.9050203@cruzio.com> <2AF34229-E8E1-46D3-8E5A-D8E85817521A@icloud.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 08:58:54 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Best high quality,super compact mixer? From: Todd Elliott To: "loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bb0435c50404304e4dbd5ea Resent-Message-ID: <4x9p_B.A.HKE.1r3GSB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 15:57:41 +0000 (UTC) --047d7bb0435c50404304e4dbd5ea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Read the manual? That's crazy talk, Mr. Poitras. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 5:51 AM, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Andrrew Owens wrote: > >> Sylvain what was your idea for Rick with the RME? >> > > The Fireface 800 and the UFX have a built-in matrix mixer that you > normally control through the Total Mix software. However, you can control > everything from a midi controller in standalone mode, so it can be used as > a mixer or patchbay. Its ability to save preset mixes makes it a really > useful tool in the studio or on stage. If you have one read your manual, > its all in there. > > Sylvain > > -- http://toaster.bandcamp.com --047d7bb0435c50404304e4dbd5ea Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Read the manual? That's crazy talk, Mr. Poitras.
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On Mon, Aug 2= 6, 2013 at 5:51 AM, Sylvain Poitras <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 1:= 25 PM, Andrrew Owens <rootpile@icloud.com> wrote:
Sylvain what was your idea for Rick wit= h the RME?

The Fireface 800= and the UFX have a built-in matrix mixer that you normally control through= the Total Mix software. =A0However, you can control everything from a midi= controller in standalone mode, so it can be used as a mixer or patchbay. = =A0Its ability to save preset mixes makes it a really useful tool in the st= udio or on stage. =A0If you have one read your manual, its all in there.

Sylvain




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--047d7bb0435c50404304e4dbd5ea-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 17:13:49 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D707183560; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 17:13:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: William Walker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Audio path tweakage Message-Id: <53E3CD85-E3D1-4886-9CDF-1D4F318C0265@baymoon.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:14:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) Resent-Message-ID: <18K1dB.A.3yE.Mz4GSB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 17:13:48 +0000 (UTC) "daisy chain cable to various loopers "=20 this sounds really suspect to me , noise -wise do you mean you send to = one looper, then another and then another before returning to the mixer, = for resampling? Clarify if you can a bit more. Bill =20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 17:14:35 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AA8618355F; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 17:14:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=51mWs06XjCuIFdLjVYokHV363XPMw1piOnApcUL3r5Q=; b=PEGAUXy2NDASDA5mYAHVbyO1tnF7MADBxcg0XzDS7tdNbpsJkPsyasOSj3v2DB2mbK 6xoUTpWliBAVkCWzPmRBktzyG0mG/WANk89mWMYVCKbMJhVirUY5LTgczFt2veZC8uW7 hi5EJftNrl/OTeL9adCD+yFbs6xBfKC31kL3Zido2uXUFQIg2VbeIBmVpbZepd9wMQxA ybFCds4fapRYxNF9gM3r6pV8EuEZofpLjfou8UWqCFdiZ7QvBVpglh2DFk93tUJKIV0+ QPv3a5QLOt2M0TMjfSSZ/B6qfRmCiY8REgtOOS+URpcMnK9rP7vW5aaEUpoKTon3Rs+6 V5YA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.164.1 with SMTP id ym1mr16689506pbb.33.1377537348281; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:15:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5219EA3C.9050203@cruzio.com> <2AF34229-E8E1-46D3-8E5A-D8E85817521A@icloud.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 13:15:48 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Best high quality,super compact mixer? From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b5d9dfd4f2b7604e4dce84e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 17:14:35 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b5d9dfd4f2b7604e4dce84e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Todd Elliott wrote: > Read the manual? That's crazy talk, Mr. Poitras. what can I say, I like to read (and talk crazy). --047d7b5d9dfd4f2b7604e4dce84e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Todd Elliott <toddbert@gmail.com> wrote:
Read the manual? That's crazy talk, Mr. Poitras.

what can I say, I like to read (and talk crazy).

--047d7b5d9dfd4f2b7604e4dce84e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 17:18:51 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38BC8183561; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 17:18:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=JCkTAipf7fAOkTZ5CEoFIFfx4MNVtkX0tGw1KiT+nT0=; b=UUFv2f1+abZyTH0voIdu+/kh+0fc0w00R9DvlUgIhdejzJbW/rbDIolIq4tBQ3Y3og uJaY1JwNbG4raKRExaxQXoYEiBJNJdnNYfDxfHs0QqzzsQtq5Y9n82NriFVxP0OM13VN Z46t85Kn74avh9CxrHFLClSWITj7EKmf/TlVEZafzTvRwpJf2ZcaXJWPmffsl23MvZah mBUHXe/YCWy9w786X03vblJOJ94G53Io6Kc5ysjut+HDQGl3NLV0ZIRIaJVLPM4Ix+PH QLYxepgSkK8Ml0jPbU8YU8gxbfCMWoQTHZFU8pWD0in5KmWyBtFz3UNgKslimOWKKrYs gv8Q== X-Received: by 10.180.36.74 with SMTP id o10mr8219722wij.23.1377537604250; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Subject: Re: Audio path tweakage From: Simeon Harris In-Reply-To: <53E3CD85-E3D1-4886-9CDF-1D4F318C0265@baymoon.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 18:20:01 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <063112BF-8C43-40FF-8A83-4D03B692F45B@googlemail.com> References: <53E3CD85-E3D1-4886-9CDF-1D4F318C0265@baymoon.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 17:18:51 +0000 (UTC) yes, when i run multiple loopers, i always use them in parallel. when i = was still using hardware, i used the headphone splitter to run three = loopers in parallel. i mixed the direct signal and the three loop outs = back together using a rack mixer. the whole thing was dead silent, i = have to say! On 26 Aug 2013, at 18:14, William Walker wrote: > "daisy chain cable to various loopers "=20 > this sounds really suspect to me , noise -wise do you mean you send to = one looper, then another and then another before returning to the mixer, = for resampling? Clarify if you can a bit more. > Bill >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 20:37:32 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10365183561; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 20:37:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=/DsVRJa16sv/qRZ7d6+Yyg/MIJuNoALwHSNRQhkKIEk=; b=Ay16mj4PUjloRTzWqWpzntYpbMPuHSkw60ymHyGvup1dNxBGa56gA7yLFbX2RsIR/e Q8vM9j6ttPM3GOuVSQpXFUeOYWZCvFPm9sKdXA/JUMSFZP+IRDLGFWy/KYyyjxoj0ugs BSmwQYF8TLAYNFVfo52/w8oQAolIwRZLLb+4FFBfolK3FTjXfoCwhMR2k2mdwX6Q3UvN C0Nd+jF4zVxFPxA8IfPULnIVpezES7FMOYto4mwwEkIf/4qyV6BrdZpF1W+EFfrz1YU9 Wxj9fzZxRY5lRnIqAUhyEfiKzDbjPri+Q1YwYTrTu4M+s3jWnbuCsUpIkY/Kg6/og0Tm U6vg== X-Received: by 10.68.175.33 with SMTP id bx1mr17447195pbc.21.1377549523535; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 13:38:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <53E3CD85-E3D1-4886-9CDF-1D4F318C0265@baymoon.com> References: <53E3CD85-E3D1-4886-9CDF-1D4F318C0265@baymoon.com> From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 22:38:23 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: whb2AXel3tfcwO2_3usvBoAHUXA Message-ID: Subject: Re: Audio path tweakage To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd6b2ae02d09004e4dfbe83 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 20:37:31 +0000 (UTC) --047d7bd6b2ae02d09004e4dfbe83 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Nope Bill, I have a special cable coming out of my effects sent that has 4 plugs on it, 2 go into repeater (unfortunately Mono-ising the input) and the other 2 go into the 2 EDPs. Noy exactly a Y cable, more like a WV cable! :) m On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 7:14 PM, William Walker wrote: > "daisy chain cable to various loopers " > this sounds really suspect to me , noise -wise do you mean you send to one > looper, then another and then another before returning to the mixer, for > resampling? Clarify if you can a bit more. > Bill > > > > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe --047d7bd6b2ae02d09004e4dfbe83 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nope Bill, I have a special cable coming out of my effects= sent that has 4 plugs on it, 2 go into repeater (unfortunately Mono-ising = the input) and the other 2 go into the 2 EDPs. Noy exactly a Y cable, more = like a WV cable!

:)

m


On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 7:14 PM,= William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
"daisy chain cable to= various loopers "
this sounds really suspect to me , noise -wise do you mean you send t= o one looper, then another and then another before returning to the mixer, = for resampling? Clarify if you can a bit more.
=A0Bill







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--047d7bd6b2ae02d09004e4dfbe83-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 22:53:42 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CEEB818355D; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 22:53:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 935277.91733.bm@omp1030.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1377557693; bh=TT9nlDtVCi5ZXbYnf86e/XFMxa2uykRXtC/iWgDY0Ks=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NaXnqYB+hsqRKeEvf/JLfPQuiOkCUhL5T7CDIRTC4vwQLQtxiCbSvPvBK0cArMxmYsuo0mGXd25MMgr1bToJWcepPgD6mUSUpDb6XLHGQPogcL7vooKA0odrnTO90AGS8fKVPOZs+IGQgkZdVcS9UXqxJf+Xiei+hApQS92xbVo= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Hu7Te6+Ywk/s48ge8spFhw8usQRLJJXoqJ46t90dq4s899dx9mET7sSXB7SYJV/jHzyahd+Lh1oYmywOYXQWHJ8lUsgYsSZegfTGGJWN7kC4Q8y0jQCj97U+arIvl1baBkPtNXz4uju6s0K6SFwnEYCJnSS5k5T1CbzVhc7lSY0=; X-YMail-OSG: LrdrtM0VM1mLRp._BqO16CnPftXi1MkW79P6Q40tnnjOjJE NcmTEejwlPP7nK.zj1sEZbnn.Bee8FLJ2pcrYjOjfE_PJCRVvIYPDgWRh9ZQ W1rb4dhy2QIGyEyRiDZn3qM6TveyMXUOgEtg4.ucm7jyFvYeaiTuoBg9PAZf yvoDtEdJEVxQK4Vq41Ypt5LQZAk3BVwmUsFdPwqr6gkCdvfhfXJD6z28as57 JyLNYXoQqGbJgzXPRyf_DMq0iAuSyPBxAxAh3L_bN_SYc.J7o6804d1p.uha L.WUcOI43GUIDM7bmrrrVY8J6ZyR.PhHwDxQ.Fs5h8WSQNsEbsgePfDSrDoD 2idnIfUJ.SUYQ6Ey6ktVGLp.dKJG.aF.TJnLR6mLwxPs_5yGKe10.eV2NNv3 ThPv7ZQZnKP.0Px_1GPu24aZYTJ_1iQg_m6UA2dKSj15KCx7EVzOVpPouks0 jg8zg40UtfWu73xcrdPhG00tfMIjBzeUEC75NTO0BdY8qq23bbQbM5LGqR9h uCSk1cG0_BZxX4SvQmdzPlidBQQZ4Gc9orHGcqA5pwcHrMhDf3h4VBuNrZvY 3Ub2aqsTaOxP1A3jcL.Z33x73xf5cIf4BtiJEUuSLBEg7ECycXEyWa95h35s SZmMMdi5JNcvj393cf7PDSgI2Cd6d_eL8niUk.wHHP3eomPeWhqGU51uBhzM deMujHCzLyFkYXp1lM6kxKW2tTRqxpzQFnACCxN26PrWCnyLkj0IUGn8YxLE 6Jx85137FGLrxGdJkDGh39fvU9SYa.Tcdi5E- X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,aGV5IGJybyxpIHJlY2VudGx5IHBsYXllZCB3aXRoIGEgZnJpZW5kIHdobyBoYXMgdGhpcyBvbmUKwqAKaHR0cDovL2FsdG9wcm9hdWRpby5jb20vcHJvZHVjdHMvem14MTIyZngKwqAKYXdlc29tZSB2YWx1ZSBmb3IgdGhlIE1vbmV5ICjCoGkgd2lzaCBpdCBoYWQgdXNiIHRob3VnaCkKwqBidXQgaSB0aGluayBpcyBnb2luZyB0byBiZSBteSBuZXh0IG9uZSBhbnl3YXkhCmNoZWVycwpMdWlzCgpodHRwOi8vd3d3Lm15c3BhY2UuY29tL2x1aXNhbmd1bG9jb20KIAoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18BMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.155.576 References: <5216B87C.40703@cruzio.com> Message-ID: <1377557693.4462.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 15:54:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Reply-To: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Best high quality,super compact mixer? To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <5216B87C.40703@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1480336445-1518111043-1377557693=:4462" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 22:53:41 +0000 (UTC) ---1480336445-1518111043-1377557693=:4462 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hey bro,i recently played with a friend who has this one=0A=A0=0Ahttp://alt= oproaudio.com/products/zmx122fx=0A=A0=0Aawesome value for the Money (=A0i w= ish it had usb though)=0A=A0but i think is going to be my next one anyway!= =0Acheers=0ALuis=0A=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A =0A=0A_______= _________________________=0A From: Rick Walker =0ATo: = LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) =0ASent: Fr= iday, August 23, 2013 3:18 AM=0ASubject: Best high quality,super compact mi= xer?=0A =0A=0AI've always trusted Mackie VLZ pro mixers=0Aand have owned t= hree of them but my beloved=0AMackie 1402 VLZ2 mixer is finally ready for t= he dustbin.=0A=0AI've also begun to notice that there are a bunch of new=0A= highly compact and lightweight multiple pre-amp mixers=0Aon the market now.= =0A=0AWhat do you use and how satisfied are you with it's use?=0A=0AI have = to say, in advance,=A0 that Berhinger reverse engineered=0AMackies and have= put out similar products very inexpensively=0Afor many years.=A0 =A0 Where= they saved money, however , was not=0Aon the looks or features but on the = pre-amps themselves.=0A=0ABerhingers, from my experience are considerably n= oisier than=0Athe Mackie's they copy,=A0 so really high quality pre-amps ar= e very important=0Ato me.=0A=0AIdeally, I'd love to have 6 pre-amps in a bo= ard I purchase.=0A=0ALight weight,=A0 high quality and small footprint are = the highest of my =0Apriorities.=0A=0AYour respective thoughts?=0A=0Athanks= , in advance=0A=0ARick Walker ---1480336445-1518111043-1377557693=:4462 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hey bro,i = recently played with a friend who has this one
 
 
awesome value for the Money ( i wish it ha= d usb though)
 but i think is going to be my ne= xt one anyway!
cheers
Luis
 
http://www.myspace.com/luisangul= ocom

From: Rick Walker <looppool@= cruzio.com>
To: LOO= PERS DELIGHT (posting) <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
= Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013= 3:18 AM
Subject: Best= high quality,super compact mixer?

I've always trusted Mackie VLZ pro mixers
and have owned t= hree of them but my beloved
Mackie 1402 VLZ2 mixer is finally ready for = the dustbin.

I've also begun to notice that there are a bunch of new=
highly compact and lightweight multiple pre-amp mixers
on the market= now.

What do you use and how satisfied are you with it's use?
I have to say, in advance,  that Berhinger reverse engineered
Mackies and ha= ve put out similar products very inexpensively
for many years.  &nb= sp; Where they saved money, however , was not
on the looks or features b= ut on the pre-amps themselves.

Berhingers, from my experience are co= nsiderably noisier than
the Mackie's they copy,  so really high qua= lity pre-amps are very important
to me.

Ideally, I'd love to have= 6 pre-amps in a board I purchase.

Light weight,  high quality = and small footprint are the highest of my
priorities.

Your respe= ctive thoughts?

thanks, in advance

Rick Walker


---1480336445-1518111043-1377557693=:4462-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 22:58:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 924CC183566; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 22:58:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 163784.3605.bm@omp1071.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1377557954; bh=cUlkvRqkULol6++RnJtGgM6o7Ev8IJ/w8hYaMo0E2YU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5WftALt5g+0kzBbP8hvVpE78/609Lxk5M0ER8gIyGzIzGqxMuZwsyTNoIKRa7trQLIVsmr11bYhuUxbTF9qihUksBvZM4jm/wEQF6UiaNyulE8LeH5mSXqyHPDte4YZenFarj8FzmlGMRi/uqaix/jpEhlJbYst0S5ryHyEl704= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DKumZxC9rifd/hd/3JUi0h1QEbzOCsuhM0F78eOyl68TNL2RPYdGAnAI6CYS4tDJAAHPJ7ni4JD2RhT9vtpV1cWnzVTflhwxqgaqMPSNThJiln4iaSlKH0gty4gPNHkWtVw2Now/aXfBBswSLx/XfzTXy7ISJ9d+UFouRtD5T+4=; X-YMail-OSG: c.JWQZwVM1n1zBV_1piXD2Bk2R_RG9BBGguBokMKI4D.bTW _yXjU0N_jzrTHnA.Lfl_CcAzc.HCJYYiqtqoB6RDt0bch4SRzXcgnhOtIgz3 h7yhLFkFcFhQH3l9QRtavBAshgY2AqLdNz3V1lFMAndeQzDDGbfVj4KlWojl RgafNai29xWTD2ikE3.wsM43stb5qnF9fWLtXZ8HYZifx_cwMpkp29xIiy4r RygPZH6rzfqQi.03EyddHcHS0U3vthJXw5Bw02cmdAu5_yy6MIqDTMvflUOZ ZtI49rX_DSPOB.MRkk2qfJs7jS35tdXiR8r1KF2k10_PTlPxGHa3YI0wcrDW T4Dn_D5cFuz7tBtWIrBHKkC5nl4BvPxRWPgcgoBWqTbkRv_T6ilugqnsqGVI ovPK1lFBM_GZ_bhMrvynMdjChk5tub5ebyywzCgJKMbma7RkONe4RzRHfrlx SsfuIO3iIHHGVzRhY_vwPLEfceb_ispPVFKUUqd_CL6IEbTF8GM8QRaITuhU BrK0L5Xr.B.js8_bqK0b8DRDf21i0vxNOJNaRaLdKGM8qs3zoO6.k66Rif5H R6Ka6Wx43WBahJUe3gnXjX98sTh4hVlVDzlDvfW_cGYsuaqfzRRBJQGUVUxF aLMbO8vl0Nl0HQKIdB7qCOYN2PODtIRZAwtiiJGxlaAUSBnhCLLz52ExEiS6 zfF_sDx6UFyQinc01Ev4XJylex7kJsd92xeuKD6iCLsCLBDHP2HLiyHYi4m. v5Tu71og1zdAvbLoI95fllsevd0aS_qlS.GucYK7ZvtjbTpVylCvPtyQIJ6V GjTs1RBSzbJovfTzk4YHoW7FU2svB.JspDsaYtfy0umZ.PZga50ni_Ix9pSC cV.LWDPI8uLyC79N8JDEmBrpU X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,dGhpcyBvbmUgaSBoYXZlIGFuZCBpdmUgZG9uZSBnaWdzIGluIHRoZSBmb3Jlc3Qgd2l0aCBpdCxndWl0YXIgYW5kIG1pYwrCoApodHRwOi8vd3d3LnlvdXR1YmUuY29tL3dhdGNoP3Y9RkNCeWpyem9iWW8KwqAKaXQgaGFzIGV2ZXJ5dGhpbmcgeW91IG5lZWQKY2hlZXJzCkx1aXMKwqAKCmh0dHA6Ly93d3cubXlzcGFjZS5jb20vbHVpc2FuZ3Vsb2NvbQogCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRnJvbTogUGVyIEJveXNlbiA8cGVyYm95c2VuQGdtYWlsLmNvbT4KVG86IExvb3BlcnMtRGUBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.155.576 References: <5219EA3C.9050203@cruzio.com> <1377448267.67611.YahooMailNeo@web171704.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1377557954.48082.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 15:59:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Reply-To: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: street rig To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-795196629-767756140-1377557954=:48082" Resent-Message-ID: <-5OpvB.A.SpH.619GSB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 22:58:03 +0000 (UTC) ---795196629-767756140-1377557954=:48082 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable this one i have and ive done gigs in the forest with it,guitar and mic=0A= =A0=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DFCByjrzobYo=0A=A0=0Ait has everythin= g you need=0Acheers=0ALuis=0A=A0=0A=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom= =0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Per Boysen =0ATo: Loopers-Delight =0ASe= nt: Sunday, August 25, 2013 7:19 PM=0ASubject: Re: street rig=0A =0A=0AOn = Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Antony Hequet wrote:= =0A> Any of you with knowledge and experience in this area, please help me = make=0A> some wise battery and inverter choices, and maybe some advuce abou= t how to=0A> make it into a nice rig on wheels...=0A=0A=0AIf you want to go= with (the much more convenient) AA batteries you can=0Acheck out Roland's = amps on this page:=0Ahttp://www.roland.com/amp/battery/index.html.I use the= CUBE Street=0Afor a Stick Guitar, dual inputs - one channel per fretboard = side, and=0Ait works very well on the street. I can run at max volume knob= =0Aposition 60 percent for the clean side (with optional mic, but I use=0Ai= t for the bass side output from my instrument) and max 40 percent=0Amaster = volume knob position for the melody side. If going louder on=0Athe master k= nobs the CUBE Street distorts in an unpleasant way. I use=0Anone of the man= y available effects since they take off a bit of=0Apresence but I use the d= igital slap delay on both channels (since it=0Aadds space without degrading= the original tone). This is not screaming=0Aloud but works well on the str= eet even for quite big areas. I've=0Anoticed that I draw a bigger crowd whe= n playing at a low volume and=0Aplacing the amp carefully to take advantage= of reflecting surfaces on=0Athe pavement, a wall behind me or a protruding= store ceiling above. I=0Adial in a little more treble than sounds good and= throw a good-looking=0Apiece of cloth over the speakers to damp it into th= e sonic sweet-spot;=0Athis makes the general sound more pleasant than you c= an achieve with=0Ajust the tone knobs of the amp.=0A=0AI have tried my Gran= d Stick (36") on the CUBE Street but the low bass=0Adoesn't come out so wel= l. In fact nothing of the majestic Grand's=0Asounds as good on the CUBE as = the Stick Guitar (26,5") does. In case=0Ayou use a higher tuning on your St= ick it might work better though (I'm=0Aon MR here). The COSM amp sims all s= ound like crap to me, except for=0Aone that sounds really good: the Classic= (a Marshall) and I use it at=0Athe very lowest gain setting for the melody= side. This is an excellent=0Aallround sound for my busking. If you don't n= eed that COSM thing you=0Amight find the KC-110 a better choice because it = handles bass=0Afrequencies better, is more powerful and has three input cha= nnels=0A(harmonica + 2 STick channels).=0A=0AI've been thinking about maybe= adding a battery driven looper to my=0ACUBE Street and will then use a mic= to catch the sound into the looper=0Aand feed the looper's output into the= CUBE's Aux input. Not sure this=0Awill happen though, since using a Stick = rather than a guitar allows=0Ayou do do a lot of stuff directly by playing = that you would otherwise=0Aneed looping to pull off. Anyway, my bottom line= is that I am very=0Ahappy with the CUBE Street. It fits into a shopping ba= g on wheels and=0Aleaves room for a big "buy this guy's CD" sign, a whawha = pedal,=0Acables, extra stings and a one day stock of CDs. At home I have a= =0Abattery re-charger to fuel those six AA batteries during night-time.=0AT= he thought of schlepping around that heavy old-school battery=0Asolution fe= els just alien; with the light-weight rig I have now I can=0Aeven walk up/d= own stairs carrying everything and I think that's worth=0Aa lot.=0A=0A...= =0AGreetings from Sweden=0A=0APer Boysen=0Awww.perboysen.com=0Ahttp://www.y= outube.com/perboysen ---795196629-767756140-1377557954=:48082 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
this one i= have and ive done gigs in the forest with it,guitar and mic
 
 
it has everything you need<= /span>
cheers
Luis
=  
 
http://www.myspac= e.com/luisangulocom

From: Per Boyse= n <perboysen@gmail.com>
To:= Loopers-Delight <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Sunday, August 25,= 2013 7:19 PM
Subject:= Re: street rig

On Su= n, Aug 25, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Antony Hequet <antony.hequet@yahoo.= fr> wrote:
> Any of you with knowledge and experience in this = area, please help me make
> some wise battery and inverter choices, a= nd maybe some advuce about how to
> make it into a nice rig on wheels= ...


If you want to go with (the much more convenient) AA batteri= es you can
check out Roland's amps on this page:
http://www.roland.com/amp= /battery/index.html.I use the CUBE Street
for a Stick Guitar, dual i= nputs - one channel per fretboard side, and
it works very well on the st= reet. I can run at max volume knob
position 60 percent for the clean sid= e (with optional mic, but I use
it for the bass side output from my inst= rument) and max 40 percent
master volume knob position for the melody si= de. If going louder on
the master knobs the CUBE Street distorts in an u= npleasant way. I use
none of the many available effects since they take = off a bit of
presence but I use the digital slap delay on both channels = (since it
adds space without degrading the original tone). This is not s= creaming
loud but works well on the street even for quite big areas. I'v= e
noticed that I draw a bigger crowd when playing at a low volume and
placing the amp carefully to take advantage of reflecting surfaces = on
the pavement, a wall behind me or a protruding store ceiling above. I=
dial in a little more treble than sounds good and throw a good-looking<= br>piece of cloth over the speakers to damp it into the sonic sweet-spot;this makes the general sound more pleasant than you can achieve with
j= ust the tone knobs of the amp.

I have tried my Grand Stick (36") on = the CUBE Street but the low bass
doesn't come out so well. In fact nothi= ng of the majestic Grand's
sounds as good on the CUBE as the Stick Guita= r (26,5") does. In case
you use a higher tuning on your Stick it might w= ork better though (I'm
on MR here). The COSM amp sims all sound like cra= p to me, except for
one that sounds really good: the Classic (a Marshall= ) and I use it at
the very lowest gain setting for the melody side. This= is an excellent
allround sound for my busking. If you don't need that COSM thing you
might find the KC-110 a better choice because it ha= ndles bass
frequencies better, is more powerful and has three input chan= nels
(harmonica + 2 STick channels).

I've been thinking about may= be adding a battery driven looper to my
CUBE Street and will then use a = mic to catch the sound into the looper
and feed the looper's output into= the CUBE's Aux input. Not sure this
will happen though, since using a S= tick rather than a guitar allows
you do do a lot of stuff directly by pl= aying that you would otherwise
need looping to pull off. Anyway, my bott= om line is that I am very
happy with the CUBE Street. It fits into a sho= pping bag on wheels and
leaves room for a big "buy this guy's CD" sign, = a whawha pedal,
cables, extra stings and a one day stock of CDs. At home= I have a
battery re-charger to fuel those six AA batteries during night= -time.
The thought of schlepping around that heavy old-school battery
solution feels just alien; with the light-weight rig I have now= I can
even walk up/down stairs carrying everything and I think that's w= orth
a lot.

...
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www= .perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen



---795196629-767756140-1377557954=:48082-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 22:18:23 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F55E183565; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 22:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com x-originating-ip: 208.109.97.160 Message-ID: <521FC8AB.9070803@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 18:18:19 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 22:18:23 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY http://galactictravels.info Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Dan Pound. The Featured CD at Midnight will be disk two from "Return To Other Worlds" on Pound Sounds. The Special Focus page is at http://soundscapes.us/gt/playlists/2013/focus.html#aug Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 30 17:51:23 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8A37183567; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 17:51:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=4aOyqu6zCzwSn3mUfGzftKC/e1dG6E/oH5ubpWvyEqM=; b=QEWfjPprtZNN6DI2JoH+QcuVRFpP5Dmkr8EzrF2FIgzg3gInloSu3usUr+VAMzM+8n sF5hbzEWbmu+bRo0J+UpbRL7luATY4u7JlXaMVFLJyfaSwAHd/oMFZUnPHjKv8RdScm/ UPvN0JLDNs7E+qbHt2Mqn/RVq2mPZiUnUdlZrUSxfR+hxeAmKPmQj58GyOBfA4+j2bKt DqsB4lqIh0SV77rNPvC9VtuZAhkTULE5uk/5UuREyrm49N0raaVmd9Vfh6TkxhnPFsDi 4VmUKmbQCfp8HsZG5xZZGJJAv2UBedQfE4pn+2Y0Rc/Cm0WwsX+e9JEXaTXxM6wVQJOj U+kQ== X-Received: by 10.58.19.162 with SMTP id g2mr9492680vee.12.1377885083371; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 10:51:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Simon Goff Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 18:51:03 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: 12step or softstep To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b86e63aef914704e52dded7 Resent-Message-ID: <4IN7i.A.cJH.buNISB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 17:51:23 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b86e63aef914704e52dded7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi all, First off, hello! Been following this for a while now just watching the conversations. I was recommended to by Todd Reynolds as I am on the path to using my computer in a live situation to loop and improvise with solo violin. I travel a lot so I have been looking at the Keith McMillen controllers due to their size. Friends have recommended them too. But I am wondering which to get? I am looking to use it to navigate ableton/mobius and also trigger sounds/clips. I would like to be able to record what I am playing and then turn on and off effects whilst also playing. I do like the idea of note playability from the 12 step though as well. Any light you are able to shine on this would be much appreciated. Thanks Simon -- www.simonralphgoff.com Twitter: @SimonRalphGoff --047d7b86e63aef914704e52dded7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,=A0

Fir= st off, hello! Been following this for a while now just watching the conver= sations. I was recommended to by Todd Reynolds as I am on the path to using= my computer in a live situation to loop and improvise with solo violin.=A0=

I travel a lot so I ha= ve been looking at the Keith McMillen controllers due to their size. Friend= s have recommended them too. But I am wondering which to get? I am looking = to use it to navigate ableton/mobius and also trigger sounds/clips. I would= like to be able to record what I am playing and then turn on and off effec= ts whilst also playing. I do like the idea of note playability from the 12 = step though as well.=A0

Any light you are able= to shine on this would be much appreciated.=A0

Thanks= =A0

Simon

--
ww= w.simonralphgoff.com
Twitter: @SimonRalphGoff
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The controls on 12 step are further ap= part and the feeling is easier to grasp with your feet than the softstep
=
Antony Hequet
Poet composer

On 30 ao=C3=BBt 2013= , at 19:51, Simon Goff <goff.sr@gmai= l.com> wrote:

Hi all,&nb= sp;

First off, hel= lo! Been following this for a while now just watching the conversations. I w= as recommended to by Todd Reynolds as I am on the path to using my computer i= n a live situation to loop and improvise with solo violin. 

I travel a lot so I have= been looking at the Keith McMillen controllers due to their size. Friends h= ave recommended them too. But I am wondering which to get? I am looking to u= se it to navigate ableton/mobius and also trigger sounds/clips. I would like= to be able to record what I am playing and then turn on and off effects whi= lst also playing. I do like the idea of note playability from the 12 step th= ough as well. 

Any light you are able t= o shine on this would be much appreciated. 

Thanks&= nbsp;

Simon

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= --Apple-Mail-D8EEA1C7-9648-4253-AD18-520C6524A6A6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 30 18:23:32 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D663018356F; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 18:23:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=gBBoSzmoSluPjdcNJxdzkyETl1RBgJFCJ+UAb5Ljcv0=; b=BXh5QKEcfT7f6pauHfLGuza8QXqRt10PcfHdGRVzT5hTftpDaroEZVHXKHR7S1SenN dW+bEjalB1/obNwclarK/1k82TisCFaj8rWhKIRHlV5iQNaYKMfFGBeRPA1TIrDCBoz5 jI+WHsmi7ovx1VsRHACAw6WDfY+tNl7eltq9rseZTbo1XYXudL8ACvAUtVCW3ag/st7Q ApZKxeXLM36BAN4ReIm3hSNQI8W2Ib6AO/drFXwyNrnotdh757079adaZDdpg2e5rb/g OSztRF87BoJs7SLrc73kW1mTMgE587Pv1kyks09/KpLM7rfrwkZHWRPMUx4wx6MPwB+P DhdQ== X-Received: by 10.220.186.202 with SMTP id ct10mr9593458vcb.14.1377887011353; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:23:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9C93DA40-141E-4ECE-ADCE-A02C2199B77B@yahoo.fr> References: <9C93DA40-141E-4ECE-ADCE-A02C2199B77B@yahoo.fr> From: Simon Goff Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 19:23:11 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 12step or softstep To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b676fd0da393604e52e51ad Resent-Message-ID: <7-WOlD.A.qgH.jMOISB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 18:23:31 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b676fd0da393604e52e51ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had noticed that. Do people have problems with the softstep? Is it clumsy to use? On 30 August 2013 19:12, Antony Hequet wrote: > The controls on 12 step are further appart and the feeling is easier to > grasp with your feet than the softstep > > Antony Hequet > Poet composer > > On 30 ao=FBt 2013, at 19:51, Simon Goff wrote: > > Hi all, > > First off, hello! Been following this for a while now just watching the > conversations. I was recommended to by Todd Reynolds as I am on the path = to > using my computer in a live situation to loop and improvise with solo > violin. > > I travel a lot so I have been looking at the Keith McMillen controllers > due to their size. Friends have recommended them too. But I am wondering > which to get? I am looking to use it to navigate ableton/mobius and also > trigger sounds/clips. I would like to be able to record what I am playing > and then turn on and off effects whilst also playing. I do like the idea = of > note playability from the 12 step though as well. > > Any light you are able to shine on this would be much appreciated. > > Thanks > > Simon > > -- > www.simonralphgoff.com > Twitter: @SimonRalphGoff > > --=20 www.simonralphgoff.com Twitter: @SimonRalphGoff --047d7b676fd0da393604e52e51ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I had noticed that. Do people have problems with the softs= tep? Is it clumsy to use?=A0


On 30 August 2013 19:12, Antony Hequet <antony.h= equet@yahoo.fr> wrote:
The controls on 12 st= ep are further appart and the feeling is easier to grasp with your feet tha= n the softstep

Antony Hequet
Poet composer

On 30 ao=FBt 2013, at 19:51, Simon Goff <goff.sr@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
Hi all,=A0

First off, hello! Been following this for a while now just watching the con= versations. I was recommended to by Todd Reynolds as I am on the path to us= ing my computer in a live situation to loop and improvise with solo violin.= =A0

I travel a lot so I ha= ve been looking at the Keith McMillen controllers due to their size. Friend= s have recommended them too. But I am wondering which to get? I am looking = to use it to navigate ableton/mobius and also trigger sounds/clips. I would= like to be able to record what I am playing and then turn on and off effec= ts whilst also playing. I do like the idea of note playability from the 12 = step though as well.=A0

Any light you are able= to shine on this would be much appreciated.=A0

Thanks= =A0

Simon

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ww= w.simonralphgoff.com
Twitter: @SimonRalphGoff



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--047d7b676fd0da393604e52e51ad-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 30 18:34:34 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3CEF18356A; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 18:34:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=N7dAzbx3+nW5fsMNtRb0H+K9DaQqhmcCIOAx+wPwATI=; b=ILeVgoyhONcI8Amr5Kxesgxs24sdxI5A3jRDAPIuZ6PuYxcpT+R86g2NbA4qYgaALz AsBQYijugmWEeZY88Mf47EtiPJMZQG73s8pFBb+0XAeitmWsw/QXUKzRtftIacTTYCYm By/x7eh83DJAinp+aYMegAB36PsgD2ZfXcilYw/vcEpzQ5Sbm4kQUYjVIARZ+gN+GcA5 S7iK39LRL0//96J4KNoSmjKbEUuqNwJp7B8UN5B3LxPWKatAmvrjRU0aLNFMbvpmcjlL 1gdNwmMtsezOAvGOBLJU4Za4yiJaqf74m4bMdsksJReGElhg2/xIAY2QbVWgkB1H2jM5 bh5w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.106.82 with SMTP id gs18mr9535069veb.18.1377887674144; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:34:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <9C93DA40-141E-4ECE-ADCE-A02C2199B77B@yahoo.fr> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 20:34:34 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 12step or softstep From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6d88c85b9e6104e52e79bb Resent-Message-ID: <9Ukf5.A.ryH.6WOISB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 18:34:34 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b6d88c85b9e6104e52e79bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Simon Goff wrote: > I had noticed that. Do people have problems with the softstep? Is it > clumsy to use? Not much feet-on experience here but my guess is that it rather makes you become clumsy.... :-)) (feather light toe touch needed). The lack of tactile response is something to get used to. Good side of that is it is quite silent during action. ... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen --047d7b6d88c85b9e6104e52e79bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Simon Goff <goff.sr@gmail.com> wrote:
I had noticed that. Do people have problems = with the softstep? Is it clumsy to use?=C2=A0

Not muc= h feet-on experience here but my guess is that it rather makes you become c= lumsy.... :-)) =C2=A0(feather light toe touch needed). The lack of tactile = response is something to get used to. Good side of that is it is quite sile= nt during action.=C2=A0

...
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com<= br>http://ww= w.youtube.com/perboysen
--047d7b6d88c85b9e6104e52e79bb-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 30 19:21:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60AF418356C; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 19:21:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=cYCP+GB0V26Te8Zhg/ER1hdV+i90L42nPItZ7wspXlE=; b=Rpy6tjpKnjKpomkQLvPo19QUTPPXi3XXP27Zam46JTtDd9vxTgy1YksFG49fqKudJs DcNThs3mj7XBzn2Yn/W/3wL6rkHyWo37Zldx2tV3E68c6tnpnexT+PV6RQsfDqVeAAwI t4nB89L3A12CIk8FgN51xYrS1FxgMI049u2C+grFfnccZHjkVQ+v/BLCmWQIi+8pMN5b GoNNhWWbRnYYNr5JqwKR99xF4Sae18zoPn+/N+heaD/MZEohd0WvpVLMN1sbK6rE6QYo Y3RMasRjiDwDraDGKmLf21g6toI4WsHH+nFr2eZRc+Erqs+om9uOxHBS+On5/sQnxmkt +6iQ== X-Received: by 10.112.168.3 with SMTP id zs3mr9281522lbb.2.1377890480460; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 12:21:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <9C93DA40-141E-4ECE-ADCE-A02C2199B77B@yahoo.fr> From: todd reynolds Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 15:20:40 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 12step or softstep To: "Looper's Delight" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c33fe6a0991d04e52f2046 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 19:21:22 +0000 (UTC) --001a11c33fe6a0991d04e52f2046 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I haven't had any problem at all with the softstep, but I'll grab a twelve step to compare for sure. My feeling is that the softstep is off the hook for programmability and the 12 step is less so. --001a11c33fe6a0991d04e52f2046 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I haven't had any problem at all with the softstep, bu= t I'll grab a twelve step to compare for sure. =A0My feeling is that th= e softstep is off the hook for programmability and the 12 step is less so. = =A0




--001a11c33fe6a0991d04e52f2046-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 30 21:24:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97FB418356E; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 21:24:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=Coj1s+l8jojliNkHh3O7g92YrzlfX1dxMofF7ubO0jg=; b=N+hLh5mj0ZA4FUmQ/q5qMZRXJT2gX5LfZdi91B+dHv6GVWXobo3959IjZmMCsqpkOD asGVLyfI7KmIw12EEFNa5lHvzYGoh/urdgX2ZJJBU28Nh02V+ceQDTm0XwZ1nyWcF3xz ZUU+TxmRIWoZx8HempyoZ7CDWi/Dp5aPXqYoAFCxn8IEW54ceal8ySnkvU9k1oOiUqYj dXUXlQDmnoG3f67LlVpJMcsT1Nf0PCvL/MwoFQSnRWagm7QISvjoWWoqAfXAHdWpbgGs Z3KiKoI3VZ3G+LLbm6HulRHXOmil2e/C9fCr70CIGM1RfvCT3Rxsj5MHzLAhlwEVxnuF NWPA== X-Received: by 10.66.187.34 with SMTP id fp2mr12861755pac.12.1377897858619; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 14:24:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 23:23:58 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: vEvUhgzLFI-n4dMJ-IXby7fhsRY Message-ID: Subject: Wheres the Gordius Forum? To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bf0f2a2665d1704e530d8d8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 21:24:19 +0000 (UTC) --047d7bf0f2a2665d1704e530d8d8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Im posting here cos I cant find the Gordius Forum, Im sure there was one, I might even be a member! Any tips? OK one question, where I RE-ask a question from a few weeks back. Im programming my banks now, and didnt understand the difference between Patches, Triggers, Two State effects and Momentary effects. I NOW think I know. I dont need Two state (stomp box) or Momentary. But the ONLY difference I can see between Patches and Triggers, is the LED=B4s!!!! CAn this be true? Patches LEDs light up and stay on, whereas Triggers only light up when you are pressing down? I cant for the life of me understand why the difference in the editor is so great! Why isnt this functionality just a check box by the patch name (LED Momentary or Persistant.... For example) Ive now made 20 or so PATCHES, which is pretty much how the FCB1010 works (last switch pressed is lit) but realise that all looper functions should really be momentary LEDs. So: QUESTION 1: Is there a way to copy Patches to be Triggers? Or do I have to go thru the lot and re-make them? There are SO many options for arranging your Presets, into banks, many levels, that I dont understand!!! Banks I get, (but isnt what you need for a SONG the same as a bank?) And then Setlists I get (arranging of the songs= ) Theres a step I dont understand, which is when you make a Bank, you THEN need to make it a Banklist, whats THAT for? But heres the real question... QUESTION 2: Why with so many LOW LEVEL options, is the now HIGH LEVEL functionality? What I mean is that every command has to laboriously enter in, allowing for all sorts of errors Lets assume 1 patch is made up for 2 commands. (Mine are not, just 1 per message stream Note on version and Note off) But looking thru the manual, I know Im goinf to have lots of fun with stringing lots of UNDOs together with delays, or making a SUStain action Speed command (something you can do on EDP, but only with a preset change) Anyway, back to example. 2 commands. One of them is the command for Record on a looper. I want to SAVE THAT COMMAND, and be able to bring it up and add it to any patch as I make it, and the other command, well it doesnt really matter what it is, just that i want to program it ONCE, and have it available in some kind of command pool, that I can drag into any switch when I want. Does that make sense? Actually it wasnt a question, more of a wish list, discussion point. Nighty night Mark --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe --047d7bf0f2a2665d1704e530d8d8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Im posting here cos I cant find the Gordius Forum, Im sure= there was one, I might even be a member! Any tips?=A0

O= K one question, where I RE-ask a question from a few weeks back.
= Im programming my banks now, and didnt understand the difference between Pa= tches, Triggers, Two State effects and Momentary effects.

I NOW think I know.
I dont need Two state (stomp box) or Mome= ntary.
But the ONLY difference I can see between Patches and Trig= gers, is the LED=B4s!!!! CAn this be true? Patches LEDs light up and stay o= n, whereas Triggers only light up when you are pressing down?
I cant for the life of me understand why the difference in the editor = is so great! Why isnt this functionality just a check box by the patch name= (LED Momentary or Persistant.... For example)

Ive now made 20 or so= PATCHES, which is pretty much how the FCB1010 works (last switch pressed i= s lit) but realise that all looper functions should really be momentary LED= s.

So: QUESTION 1: Is there a way to copy Patches to be Tr= iggers? Or do I have to go thru the lot and re-make them?

There are SO many options for arranging your Presets, into banks, m= any levels, that I dont understand!!! =A0Banks I get, (but isnt what you ne= ed for a SONG the same as a bank?) And then Setlists I get (arranging of th= e songs)
Theres a step I dont understand, which is when you make a Bank, = you THEN need to make it a Banklist, whats THAT for?
But heres th= e real question...
QUESTION 2: Why with so many LOW LEVEL options= , is the now HIGH LEVEL functionality?
What I mean is that every command has to laboriously enter in, allowing for= all sorts of errors

Lets assume 1 patch is made up for 2 commands. = (Mine are not, just 1 per message stream Note on version and Note off) But = looking thru the manual, I know Im goinf to have lots of fun with stringing= lots of UNDOs together with delays, or making a SUStain action Speed comma= nd (something you can do on EDP, but only with a preset change)

Anyway, back to example. 2 commands. One of them is the command for Rec= ord on a looper. I want to SAVE THAT COMMAND, and be able to bring it up an= d add it to any patch as I make it, and the other command, well it doesnt r= eally matter what it is, just that i want to program it ONCE, and have it a= vailable in some kind of command pool, that I can drag into any switch when= I want.

Does that make sense?

Actually it wasnt a ques= tion, more of a wish list, discussion point.

Night= y night

--047d7bf0f2a2665d1704e530d8d8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 30 21:42:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E511D18356B; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 21:42:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Tep/kYQvBOzJtflzdBBtK3pmeSf+DbNYDfDZfWQznGY=; b=gkITZjaP69N3BZcVT9+yGdvFMyHqTffmzvxwC4F0jtovbeOPtuPTECLoi6PL9VM5c5 QE9iZ7T5xkl/07KUSfuTcSFXwxfLFbqc2JRtwrToE6hDAuV1f820j8gVKDeoy0Fdl3bj h4TIykazoe7InYw8+JJYEsrmpQrv8iUHiZkJ1GrScRs4ZPsYsLBFdx8bOOKiWtnrCl3M sr3tSEjBvUTXXLk3tF+VM3AUil3pIaK7NYoIGhMQbDfYblAGpqpQthQDbsB4YKHI99qn 1FP664MMhoAmh7V3iS+BwJ9y9XttcwiSRx58TtCe4uHKzuGzT9aWhiaHvEPMIBPTDLlj 9lIA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.155.68 with SMTP id vu4mr8935371veb.21.1377898939286; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 14:42:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 23:42:19 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Wheres the Gordius Forum? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 21:42:19 +0000 (UTC) I don't know about any Gordius forum but there is a very helpful mailing list at Yahoo Groups. Yes, you can do most things with most programming classes so which class you prefer is more a question about using the leds on the Gordius for indication. I can't answer your other questions 'cause I don't use songs and all that. I make up all "MIDI event bunches" I need in the Prests window and then I go to the Banks window to make up alternate banks to match different rigs I'm using. But only one bank changes; the bank that handles sound patches on either the laptop or the Fractal Audio amp. My other seven banks all send MIDI notes for Moibus and stays the same in all banks. Three expression pedals also stays the same (although pedal #3 is a wha-wha on the Fractal Audio but a Tremolo Speed Shifter for effect return on the laptop). ... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 11:23 PM, mark francombe w= rote: > Im posting here cos I cant find the Gordius Forum, Im sure there was one,= I > might even be a member! Any tips? > > OK one question, where I RE-ask a question from a few weeks back. > Im programming my banks now, and didnt understand the difference between > Patches, Triggers, Two State effects and Momentary effects. > > I NOW think I know. > I dont need Two state (stomp box) or Momentary. > But the ONLY difference I can see between Patches and Triggers, is the > LED=C2=B4s!!!! CAn this be true? Patches LEDs light up and stay on, where= as > Triggers only light up when you are pressing down? > I cant for the life of me understand why the difference in the editor is = so > great! Why isnt this functionality just a check box by the patch name (LE= D > Momentary or Persistant.... For example) > > Ive now made 20 or so PATCHES, which is pretty much how the FCB1010 works > (last switch pressed is lit) but realise that all looper functions should > really be momentary LEDs. > > So: QUESTION 1: Is there a way to copy Patches to be Triggers? Or do I ha= ve > to go thru the lot and re-make them? > > There are SO many options for arranging your Presets, into banks, many > levels, that I dont understand!!! Banks I get, (but isnt what you need f= or > a SONG the same as a bank?) And then Setlists I get (arranging of the son= gs) > Theres a step I dont understand, which is when you make a Bank, you THEN > need to make it a Banklist, whats THAT for? > But heres the real question... > QUESTION 2: Why with so many LOW LEVEL options, is the now HIGH LEVEL > functionality? > What I mean is that every command has to laboriously enter in, allowing f= or > all sorts of errors > > Lets assume 1 patch is made up for 2 commands. (Mine are not, just 1 per > message stream Note on version and Note off) But looking thru the manual,= I > know Im goinf to have lots of fun with stringing lots of UNDOs together w= ith > delays, or making a SUStain action Speed command (something you can do on > EDP, but only with a preset change) > > Anyway, back to example. 2 commands. One of them is the command for Recor= d > on a looper. I want to SAVE THAT COMMAND, and be able to bring it up and = add > it to any patch as I make it, and the other command, well it doesnt reall= y > matter what it is, just that i want to program it ONCE, and have it > available in some kind of command pool, that I can drag into any switch w= hen > I want. > > Does that make sense? > > Actually it wasnt a question, more of a wish list, discussion point. > > Nighty night > > Mark > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 30 22:02:54 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4945218356C; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 22:02:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=vtjWBBeBEfC+rRMivYUCuzMBgyaXVGD0lbsPjhTFXWE=; b=pSqpxBX7zYhewsaKRxoZsnWPWhB8N2fcnGizH4/MvWcj7aoByUD6dCKG1t7c1u/0PS rDBzVCmjYyv2h4gPfaJja8NS54agkjwnMp+j3itJf1afli1dK0tK54nKsHyzUVQZmhQ0 zTlbLNPWdWo+XBJjQx/C/KgAcG/Ujm4oQaUL/RNQFuYkLgKwpPxPUMxnhzWYrhk/AXQn S6QyauJmnZa5RTMN0KuKFWycIseYwddGC4jWPcJz/kKt4omJgpASuK0h1y3UEwC77Ppq pJkWQpqM82iX4+Svh9tX04UWi/gS89tg5aPiAqcaP0/z9a6eKGVns/BRrsKNKaopV+xK +PLg== X-Received: by 10.66.175.133 with SMTP id ca5mr13313538pac.40.1377900173043; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 15:02:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 00:02:32 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: aEF3YMg_tIC5gIemRZwK1pQt81U Message-ID: Subject: Re: Wheres the Gordius Forum? To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bdca3fe59aee904e53162b2 Resent-Message-ID: <9_MRHB.A.pbB.OaRISB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 22:02:54 +0000 (UTC) --047d7bdca3fe59aee904e53162b2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thx Per, .. and for your "Looper" functionality, you didnt fancy swapping over to Triggers? (And I assume theres no way to do that? NOT IN the app, but.. well you know.. hacking the file?) Its OF COURSE no biggie that the lights stay on the last thing you did, but I just thought if this is gonna be my programming period, I wanna get it right from the start... By the way Per, Ive always wondered, why are you mails always so nicely formatted within a sensible column? How are you doing that? M On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > I don't know about any Gordius forum but there is a very helpful > mailing list at Yahoo Groups. Yes, you can do most things with most > programming classes so which class you prefer is more a question about > using the leds on the Gordius for indication. I can't answer your > other questions 'cause I don't use songs and all that. I make up all > "MIDI event bunches" I need in the Prests window and then I go to the > Banks window to make up alternate banks to match different rigs I'm > using. But only one bank changes; the bank that handles sound patches > on either the laptop or the Fractal Audio amp. My other seven banks > all send MIDI notes for Moibus and stays the same in all banks. Three > expression pedals also stays the same (although pedal #3 is a wha-wha > on the Fractal Audio but a Tremolo Speed Shifter for effect return on > the laptop). > > > ... > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 11:23 PM, mark francombe > wrote: > > Im posting here cos I cant find the Gordius Forum, Im sure there was > one, I > > might even be a member! Any tips? > > > > OK one question, where I RE-ask a question from a few weeks back. > > Im programming my banks now, and didnt understand the difference betwee= n > > Patches, Triggers, Two State effects and Momentary effects. > > > > I NOW think I know. > > I dont need Two state (stomp box) or Momentary. > > But the ONLY difference I can see between Patches and Triggers, is the > > LED=B4s!!!! CAn this be true? Patches LEDs light up and stay on, wherea= s > > Triggers only light up when you are pressing down? > > I cant for the life of me understand why the difference in the editor i= s > so > > great! Why isnt this functionality just a check box by the patch name > (LED > > Momentary or Persistant.... For example) > > > > Ive now made 20 or so PATCHES, which is pretty much how the FCB1010 wor= ks > > (last switch pressed is lit) but realise that all looper functions shou= ld > > really be momentary LEDs. > > > > So: QUESTION 1: Is there a way to copy Patches to be Triggers? Or do I > have > > to go thru the lot and re-make them? > > > > There are SO many options for arranging your Presets, into banks, many > > levels, that I dont understand!!! Banks I get, (but isnt what you need > for > > a SONG the same as a bank?) And then Setlists I get (arranging of the > songs) > > Theres a step I dont understand, which is when you make a Bank, you THE= N > > need to make it a Banklist, whats THAT for? > > But heres the real question... > > QUESTION 2: Why with so many LOW LEVEL options, is the now HIGH LEVEL > > functionality? > > What I mean is that every command has to laboriously enter in, allowing > for > > all sorts of errors > > > > Lets assume 1 patch is made up for 2 commands. (Mine are not, just 1 pe= r > > message stream Note on version and Note off) But looking thru the > manual, I > > know Im goinf to have lots of fun with stringing lots of UNDOs together > with > > delays, or making a SUStain action Speed command (something you can do = on > > EDP, but only with a preset change) > > > > Anyway, back to example. 2 commands. One of them is the command for > Record > > on a looper. I want to SAVE THAT COMMAND, and be able to bring it up an= d > add > > it to any patch as I make it, and the other command, well it doesnt > really > > matter what it is, just that i want to program it ONCE, and have it > > available in some kind of command pool, that I can drag into any switch > when > > I want. > > > > Does that make sense? > > > > Actually it wasnt a question, more of a wish list, discussion point. > > > > Nighty night > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Francombe > > www.markfrancombe.com > > www.ordoabkhao.com > > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > > http://www.looop.no > > twitter @markfrancombe > > --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe --047d7bdca3fe59aee904e53162b2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thx Per,

.. and for your "Lo= oper" functionality, you didnt fancy swapping over to Triggers? (And I= assume theres no way to do that? NOT IN the app, but.. well you know.. hac= king the file?)
=A0Its OF COURSE no biggie that the lights stay on the last thing you did, = but I just thought if this is gonna be my programming period, I wanna get i= t right from the start...


By the wa= y Per, Ive always wondered, why are you mails always so nicely formatted wi= thin a sensible column? How are you doing that?

M


On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Per Boysen <perbo= ysen@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know about any Gordius forum but= there is a very helpful
mailing list at Yahoo Groups. Yes, you can do most things with most
programming classes so which class you prefer is more a question about
using the leds on the Gordius for indication. I can't answer your
other questions 'cause I don't use songs and all that. I make up al= l
"MIDI event bunches" I need in the Prests window and then I go to= the
Banks window to make up alternate banks to match different rigs I'm
using. But only one bank changes; the bank that handles sound patches
on either the laptop or the Fractal Audio amp. My other seven banks
all send MIDI notes for Moibus and stays the same in all banks. Three
expression pedals also stays the same (although pedal #3 is a wha-wha
on the Fractal Audio but a Tremolo Speed Shifter for effect return on
the laptop).


...
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen


On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 11:23 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
> Im posting here cos I cant find the Gordius Forum, Im sure there was o= ne, I
> might even be a member! Any tips?
>
> OK one question, where I RE-ask a question from a few weeks back.
> Im programming my banks now, and didnt understand the difference betwe= en
> Patches, Triggers, Two State effects and Momentary effects.
>
> I NOW think I know.
> I dont need Two state (stomp box) or Momentary.
> But the ONLY difference I can see between Patches and Triggers, is the=
> LED=B4s!!!! CAn this be true? Patches LEDs light up and stay on, where= as
> Triggers only light up when you are pressing down?
> I cant for the life of me understand why the difference in the editor = is so
> great! Why isnt this functionality just a check box by the patch name = (LED
> Momentary or Persistant.... For example)
>
> Ive now made 20 or so PATCHES, which is pretty much how the FCB1010 wo= rks
> (last switch pressed is lit) but realise that all looper functions sho= uld
> really be momentary LEDs.
>
> So: QUESTION 1: Is there a way to copy Patches to be Triggers? Or do I= have
> to go thru the lot and re-make them?
>
> There are SO many options for arranging your Presets, into banks, many=
> levels, that I dont understand!!! =A0Banks I get, (but isnt what you n= eed for
> a SONG the same as a bank?) And then Setlists I get (arranging of the = songs)
> Theres a step I dont understand, which is when you make a Bank, you TH= EN
> need to make it a Banklist, whats THAT for?
> But heres the real question...
> QUESTION 2: Why with so many LOW LEVEL options, is the now HIGH LEVEL<= br> > functionality?
> What I mean is that every command has to laboriously enter in, allowin= g for
> all sorts of errors
>
> Lets assume 1 patch is made up for 2 commands. (Mine are not, just 1 p= er
> message stream Note on version and Note off) But looking thru the manu= al, I
> know Im goinf to have lots of fun with stringing lots of UNDOs togethe= r with
> delays, or making a SUStain action Speed command (something you can do= on
> EDP, but only with a preset change)
>
> Anyway, back to example. 2 commands. One of them is the command for Re= cord
> on a looper. I want to SAVE THAT COMMAND, and be able to bring it up a= nd add
> it to any patch as I make it, and the other command, well it doesnt re= ally
> matter what it is, just that i want to program it ONCE, and have it > available in some kind of command pool, that I can drag into any switc= h when
> I want.
>
> Does that make sense?
>
> Actually it wasnt a question, more of a wish list, discussion point. >
> Nighty night
>
> Mark
>
> --
> Mark Francombe
> www.markfra= ncombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao= .com
> http://vimeo= .com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no<= /a>
> twitter @markfrancombe




--
=
--047d7bdca3fe59aee904e53162b2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 30 22:27:15 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D25C018356F; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 22:27:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=eGy/e02pOo+xgaIXxBo1GhwuVqX1XyLMINw15l2u9lQ=; b=KRcxCaWspwp4TrR6ZOSvwr60QWQ8v/MihXFvu7nC6pNt0Ik7YqLgkvO1MoB0y0/5ZU i8WJtFW+35Q/aOBdBWP/MWWcdMM9ueFgKyX+yUpw1iisApn2Y0LypNra82TQY7VXiP6/ QUrDVcn/JrBRWcInoB8Jt9ge6QE9Jl7ENjDwdLNCuzP50oyViPWP40OVQJqIv13AO5jn Ex89sD4YWYoL/AnOqen4bczTqxv84tVQ87Rgejp0eZYbVChF+eHypwiU+3uFDQtOs3FN 2Qv22jWGqKlx0vSubmmDBzYMYk+O7CyK3PJNeibBBBcuBGq2km7QCXbcy3XGDdsNtTDq u8xA== X-Received: by 10.66.149.98 with SMTP id tz2mr13225315pab.150.1377901634934; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 15:27:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 00:26:54 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: G0WkVtKXh746VP-wkDEOIwC60ro Message-ID: Subject: Re: Wheres the Gordius Forum? To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6dcad07c60ed04e531b919 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 22:27:15 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b6dcad07c60ed04e531b919 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 12:02 AM, mark francombe wrote: > (And I assume theres no way to do that? NOT IN the app, but.. well you > know.. hacking the file?) Ill just answer this myself, just cos.. Im so fucking clever... The really fab thing is that sneakily up in the file menu of the Gordius editor is a lovely little item! EXPORT TO TEXT FILE and happily... IMPORT FROM TEXT FILE to go with it... So I did, and sure enough, all the entries that said PATCH, I edited to say TRIGGER. and blow me down with a feather, it worked... in less than a minute, i changed 25 patches into triggers!! See ??? I ROCK! I'm off to snort coke off a groupies tits.. (or practice my sweep picking if one isnt available).. M -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe --047d7b6dcad07c60ed04e531b919 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 12:02 A= M, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
(And I assume theres no way to do that? NOT = IN the app, but.. well you know.. hacking the file?)

Ill just answer this myself, just cos.. Im so fucking clever...
The really fab thing is that sneakily up in the file m= enu of the Gordius editor is a lovely little item!
EXPORT TO TEXT FILE a= nd happily... IMPORT FROM TEXT FILE to go with it...

So I did, a= nd sure enough, all the entries that said PATCH, I edited to say TRIGGER. a= nd blow me down with a feather, it worked... in less than a minute, i chang= ed 25 patches into triggers!!

See ???

I ROCK!

I'm= off to snort coke off a groupies tits.. (or practice my sweep picking if o= ne isnt available)..


<= div class=3D"gmail_extra">M

--047d7b6dcad07c60ed04e531b919-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 30 22:55:35 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD98418356C; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 22:55:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=HhKkQA+YluGWorzB9etxrj97R6H1kXYsM8+l8F5JFS4=; b=qusFd1cPh+bl9nqgpzpUOqrKAs/lj05L/7a3mPQMGMDGV5uHg72NACSfn992hUgo5E C33R59SHuytl9Ri13WxH56s2NG1+9c30Dmlgok52BR/MU8MRnP7arjL5M3Yh+oo835ZZ yxTOUH6BFU8evT/2nFb76WjUXNYoqH/nnh1kbciyNAdiQtLorQlJ84tCXeHVQPXE/T9S //yWrb+ty21C/ti4pepPrWfd171fvmuD4QktuVydd+GeEG2BTAcIcaDdrAUegzr6pY48 C5jWsJUqOU7lGm/kNC8gR0AEkzlXVI47zhprl1hmOuiwto78KEDCf1kvkU7AsOqUfQIs /jvw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.187.65 with SMTP id fq1mr7967507vdc.13.1377903335336; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 15:55:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 00:55:14 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Wheres the Gordius Forum? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 22:55:35 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 12:02 AM, mark francombe wrote: > .. and for your "Looper" functionality, you didnt fancy swapping over to > Triggers? No. For looper functions I only use Patches. Normally with just one Note On (because I'm lazy and hate programming). But some Mobius functions need a Note Off too when letting go of the foot switch and then I add one such if I get into a situation (like for example the Mobius commands that allow "LongPress" for additional functionality. Hm... "Record" comes to mind....) I just start with Bank #0 holding MIDI Note number #1 to #10, Band #1 number #11 to #20 and so on for seven banks. Exactly like I have set up my FCB1010 pedals for ten years. > > By the way Per, Ive always wondered, why are you mails always so nicely > formatted within a sensible column? How are you doing that? By following the list rules of not posting HTML formatted mails. You too can do this by choosing "Plain Text Mode" in for you email application. ... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 30 23:14:34 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1B2B18356C; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 23:14:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=+X/cwlA+L+UFNqt5HsjYA7Rcl4qVYCf0yEiQmEbjzpk=; b=RxEpT+4ealJK+DFs3von1X5UBFF4mbH2dt2NNYHNVV+0xlEpUzc8aUzK5cVuNvUZcB cyjPBAQs3fMtjrUMWJnYrl6iCCytX2/Nkl5geRX1ynhp6Px+SLX2edSe2gc2J3ll6fUV H/6eOgVYXyoqn3qYOC9SI0OPfBm9PwscG66Vzl7cPzLhw5FnuVSULEKizNLWQJ9iZT4f 7Z055gK85BEK508eAMPT6Ufilamlgxf4TRE6+9Cy6+FJArhJR4IptIBTBu1JYfsia7mi dlhKMo4+pcgZZwApWaAseK7jHjyqY2DRcIW3A6yKASpYXESRJnFhktzxqXw7BJvs1z75 ZxrQ== X-Received: by 10.68.202.130 with SMTP id ki2mr12723733pbc.43.1377904473805; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 16:14:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 01:14:13 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: iO0K5X6vp_jfO8cJ5ajq7XYgkQ0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Wheres the Gordius Forum? To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b15abb7b217a604e53262ef Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 23:14:34 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b15abb7b217a604e53262ef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 12:55 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > email > application. > Email application? Whats that? I used to have something called Eudora, or maybe for that time I hada PC a program called .. hmm. Internet Exploder? Nah.. Ive been on web mail since... well since before bread was bad for you! (but ill take a look, maybe theres a plugin) M -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe --047d7b15abb7b217a604e53262ef Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 12:55 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
e= mail
application.

Email application? Whats= that? I used to have something called Eudora, or maybe for that time I had= a =A0PC a program called .. hmm. Internet Exploder?
Nah.. Ive been on we= b mail since... well since before bread was bad for you!

(but ill take a look, maybe theres a plugin)
=
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--047d7b15abb7b217a604e53262ef-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 30 23:20:06 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEB8518356A; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 23:20:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=01lrB8yhLwWUQ9v1rHG+koM5wqoXzagYbR6iO1MYbhE=; b=Adpd5nqIWId2nbZdyB2AQ/zaGE+rF3OETSQ7qkofYfNNOgNrx1To4I5nDZnqylIkv9 s/3xGFIOCi2wSw3UG2PC9oHowPXJ5hLwTHChyackgZblRqenvyJ0x8X5dh1uJ4nkocEB Tx9azErlaU1frurnmFsSVXc8YnT3s40YEwwCimhrimqhUF3uOlcSk4oygng0gmmMk0Ll keTtD1POtUs/SK/W3OtvGoybZlZIgSfF3MU+gyK+0OILoVHZb0W8BBichuPGnVAxHQky rHht0Ov3Zr84R55IoT4o/Fv++8pWQ/1QuTRfluPG+5o/GvJR63ZMbGGVodQP8sGt/Blc YhBA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.235.69 with SMTP id uk5mr10390313vec.17.1377904803921; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 16:20:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 01:20:03 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Wheres the Gordius Forum? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 23:20:05 +0000 (UTC) Web mail is an email application. ... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 1:14 AM, mark francombe wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 12:55 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> email >> application. > > > Email application? Whats that? I used to have something called Eudora, or > maybe for that time I hada PC a program called .. hmm. Internet Exploder? > Nah.. Ive been on web mail since... well since before bread was bad for you! > > (but ill take a look, maybe theres a plugin) > > M > > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 31 03:03:05 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CEAD18356F; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 03:03:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: William Walker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Wheres the Gordius Forum? Message-Id: Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 20:02:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 03:03:05 +0000 (UTC) >=20 > I NOW think I know. > I dont need Two state (stomp box) or Momentary. > But the ONLY difference I can see between Patches and Triggers, is the = LED=B4s!!!! CAn this be true? Patches LEDs light up and stay on, whereas = Triggers only light up when you are pressing down? > I cant for the life of me understand why the difference in the editor = is so great! Why isnt this functionality just a check box by the patch = name (LED Momentary or Persistant.... For example) I wouldn't bother with triggers, just match your PC, CC or Note numbers = with the switch you want to use , I like to leave my last switch press = lit so I have no use for triggers, and never got that far, just program = patches and if they do what you want don't go any further, The Gordius = is so deep and I never have personally gotten past programming of = switches and CC/aux switches which I have for volume and feedback for my = looper and an extra 11-12 preset switches for each bank. =20 Im sorry i wish I knew how to use it more deeply than I do but i'm just = controlling a looper, not a looper, an modeling amp, a synthesizer, = drum machine 4 outboard effects etc=85 thats where the Song modes come = in. Bill= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 31 03:12:21 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E59D18356C; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 03:12:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com x-originating-ip: 208.109.97.160 Message-ID: <52215F11.3030807@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 23:12:17 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Thought Radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 03:12:21 +0000 (UTC) THOUGHT RADIO http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio My next stint on Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show, will be Saturday, August 31 at 6 am EDT/GMT-4. In Phase One, I will continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. I host the show about every other week. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 31 09:14:50 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9339F18356F; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 09:14:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 7618550/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.24.116/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.24.116 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApQBAG6zIVJYbRh0/2dsb2JhbAANNxaDPK5oklOBNIMYAQEBAwEyAQURLwYLCwcRCQoMDwkDAgECATMSHAEOB4dXAwkSpmuJEwOJco4ugViEHQOZJIRphiKITQ X-IPAS-Result: ApQBAG6zIVJYbRh0/2dsb2JhbAANNxaDPK5oklOBNIMYAQEBAwEyAQURLwYLCwcRCQoMDwkDAgECATMSHAEOB4dXAwkSpmuJEwOJco4ugViEHQOZJIRphiKITQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,997,1367967600"; d="scan'208";a="7618550" Message-ID: <5221B413.3000909@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 10:14:59 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Wheres the Gordius Forum? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 09:14:50 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > Im posting here cos I cant find the Gordius Forum, Im sure there was > one, I might even be a member! Any tips? http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/GORDIUS/conversations/topics > > OK one question, where I RE-ask a question from a few weeks back. > Im programming my banks now, and didnt understand the difference between > Patches, Triggers, Two State effects and Momentary effects. > > I NOW think I know. > I dont need Two state (stomp box) or Momentary. > But the ONLY difference I can see between Patches and Triggers, is the > LEDīs!!!! CAn this be true? Patches LEDs light up and stay on, whereas > Triggers only light up when you are pressing down? > I cant for the life of me understand why the difference in the editor is > so great! Why isnt this functionality just a check box by the patch name > (LED Momentary or Persistant.... For example) ok, here's how I use it. I have a bank of 10 patches for EDP Presets. When I select a preset the LED stays on. I know which preset I'm in. I change to a bank of Momentaries (but Triggers would be the same). The led goes out. I operate lots of EDP functions, an each time the led only comes on as the switch is pressed. When I go back to my bank of presets, lo and behold the LED for the preset comes back on, because the LG remembered the last Patch it sent. One day I'll try and work out the difference between Triggers and Momentaries .....maybe. > I cant for the life of me understand why the difference in the editor is > so great! Why isnt this functionality just a check box by the patch name > (LED Momentary or Persistant.... For example) Backwards compatibility with earlier editions. > So: QUESTION 1: Is there a way to copy Patches to be Triggers? Or do I > have to go thru the lot and re-make them? ok, you do rock > > There are SO many options for arranging your Presets, into banks, many > levels, that I dont understand!!! Banks I get, (but isnt what you need > for a SONG the same as a bank?) And then Setlists I get (arranging of > the songs) I made my setup with Songs a while back, it looks like the functionality I used from Songs is now available in Banks. So..forget anything I ever said about Songs, you don't need them. (unless you join a covers band, and won't be able to remember which bank to use for which song) > Theres a step I dont understand, which is when you make a Bank, you THEN > need to make it a Banklist, whats THAT for? Just convenience. So when you have different types of gig to play you don't have to scroll through every bank you ever use. > But heres the real question... > QUESTION 2: Why with so many LOW LEVEL options, is the now HIGH LEVEL > functionality? > > Anyway, back to example. 2 commands. One of them is the command for > Record on a looper. I want to SAVE THAT COMMAND, and be able to bring it > up and add it to any patch as I make it, and the other command, well it > doesnt really matter what it is, just that i want to program it ONCE, > and have it available in some kind of command pool, that I can drag into > any switch when I want. That's exactly what you have. You program a patch/trigger and assign it to any switch.(in the Bank setup). > > Does that make sense? > > Actually it wasnt a question, more of a wish list, discussion point. "what can I safely ignore" andy > > Nighty night > > Mark > > -- > /_Mark Francombe_/ > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 31 09:28:51 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BD0E18356C; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 09:28:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=NzDKPJGsb+F2pN8oNDpt3A/BVVaLQ08DRrfAi47zKTM=; b=p3BiARU7wpC35lEUl8LH8/RU+RQLkMY8KnWw0+M+sytFwCSv/bWWgPcw6p9iyxLLaZ OWPw10bg1RTsAMtZWVtgzbCUb7DgDjIHXF2farJkzZV849KJwPcRDEJlIjPUPb8XmABS wLWyd40HaePM9qx6qyVLpL88sOAacD8r/gbCMSwIqYvhFWl+jto0Tdtl0nn/o5i55dGH WT1/yRL7e9NKDgAdrL/4fdOZkIrTyhdGjci8SZHpIFJLy4PkvwOEGibDPVJN1QZWn/0T jvo7G4NFEw457yfWVQ8csIRiVEobjcu7b1IkljQuB3NN/VvwSfTqqdB/jFRvS+2guq8r eQyQ== X-Received: by 10.58.73.202 with SMTP id n10mr12622517vev.7.1377941330734; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 02:28:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <5221B413.3000909@tiscali.co.uk> References: <5221B413.3000909@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 11:28:29 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: m1rgCkE2RMkmHEf04p0xiUjyxqs Message-ID: Subject: Re: Wheres the Gordius Forum? To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bacbb5c8a357c04e53af701 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 09:28:51 +0000 (UTC) --047d7bacbb5c8a357c04e53af701 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 11:14 AM, andy butler wrote: > > I have a bank of 10 patches for EDP Presets. > When I select a preset the LED stays on. > I know which preset I'm in. > > I change to a bank of Momentaries (but Triggers would be the same). > The led goes out. > I operate lots of EDP functions, an each time the led only comes on as the > switch is pressed. > > When I go back to my bank of presets, lo and behold the LED for the preset > comes back on, because the LG remembered the last Patch it sent. > > NOW THAT what IM talking about... the presets ting is great. And Ive remade (as in edited a text file and re-imported no less) > Anyway, back to example. 2 commands. One of them is the command for >> Record on a looper. I want to SAVE THAT COMMAND, and be able to bring it up >> and add it to any patch as I make it, and the other command, well it doesnt >> really matter what it is, just that i want to program it ONCE, and have it >> available in some kind of command pool, that I can drag into any switch >> when I want. >> > > That's exactly what you have. > > You program a patch/trigger and assign it to any switch.(in the Bank > setup). > > Still not sure about THAT... will have to check... thanks Andy... Patches to presets... genius.. m -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe --047d7bacbb5c8a357c04e53af701 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 11:14 AM, andy butler <= ;akbutler@tisca= li.co.uk> wrote:

I have a bank of 10 patches for =A0EDP Presets.
When I select a preset the LED stays on.
I know which preset I'm in.

I change to a bank of Momentaries (but Triggers would be the same).
The led goes out.
I operate lots of EDP functions, an each time the led only comes on as the = switch is pressed.

When I go back to my bank of presets, lo and behold the LED for the preset<= br> comes back on, because the LG remembered the last Patch it sent.


NOW THAT what IM talking about... the presets= ting is great. And Ive remade (as in edited a text file and re-imported no= less)


=A0
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Anyway, back to example. 2 commands. One of them is the command for Record = on a looper. I want to SAVE THAT COMMAND, and be able to bring it up and ad= d it to any patch as I make it, and the other command, well it doesnt reall= y matter what it is, just that i want to program it ONCE, and have it avail= able in some kind of command pool, that I can drag into any switch when I w= ant.

That's exactly what you have.

You program a patch/trigger and assign it to any switch.(in the Bank setup)= .


Still not sur= e about THAT... will have to check...


thanks Andy... Patches to presets... genius..

m=A0

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--047d7bacbb5c8a357c04e53af701-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 31 18:54:40 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5367718356C; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 18:54:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com x-originating-ip: 208.109.97.160 Message-ID: <52223BEC.20207@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 14:54:36 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Thought Radio Playlist for August 31, 2013. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 18:54:40 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio/playlists/2013/130831.html The Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show has alternating hosts. When I am at the helm, the show is called Thought Radio and you can expect to hear electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am EDT/GMT-4 on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. http://soundscapes.us/afterglow/index.html Show #255 August 31, 2013. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== VA [Ashok] Again to Ricochet Sequences No. 24 Tangerine Dream Phaedra Phaedra (Virgin) Duet for Theremin Hillbilly Tangerine Collaborations (none) and Lap Steel Dream Genetique Part 4 Soundscapes Concert Series #19 Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== VA [Seattle Prayer of St. Sacred Songs of Hope (Valley Symphony] Gregory Op. 62B Entertainment) George Winston Night December(Valley Entertainment) Snow/Midnight/Minstrels VA [Chinmaya New Moon Music for Massage (New Earth) Dunster] Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== I Know You Well A Dancing Girl From Chapter One (Moonjune) Miss Clara the Planet Mahavishnu Named After the Love Mike Rutherford Between the Tick and Smallcreep's Day (Virgin) Tock Mike Rutherford Working In Line Smallcreep's Day (Virgin) Mike Rutherford After Hours Smallcreep's Day (Virgin) Ian Anderson Swing It Far Thick As A Brick II (Chrysalis) Ian Anderson Adrift and Dumfounded Thick As A Brick II (Chrysalis) Rush Headlong Flight Clockwork Angels (Roadrunner) Alan Morse Cold Fusion * Four O'clock and Hysteria (InsideOut) * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDRs that come with each issue of Sequences electronic music magazine. Bill Fox ======================================================================== Host of Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EDT/GMT-4. Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music. Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Website: http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html


O= n Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Philip Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gm= ail.com> wrote:
Little G= iant, it's infinitely flexible and I've not yet found anything it c= an't do - except fit into a backpack under an airplane seat, hence my o= wn interest in a KMI solution as well.

The software is, like most of these things, rather homespun,= but far far better than the KMI stuff.

You'll= be very happy with your LG once you get thru the initial programming learn= ing curve.

Best,

Phil :)


On Aug 18, 2013, at 7:18 AM, = mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:

Im nervously watching this t= hread cos I just bought a LG.. It all sounds very daunting!
Have to admi= t, that ages ago I opened the Gordius software to take a peek, and closed i= t pretty quick...=A0
Im terribly sorry, but IM sure theres gonna be stream of irritating questio= n heading this way.. (or maybe the Gordius Forum way, if there is one.. and= if its alive...)

Anyway I hope you are all virtually slapping me on the back saying, &qu= ot;well done old sport, good choice!"=A0
I have had a year back wit= h the EDP pedal, and an iPad, and it was fun... but now THAT pedal is not w= orking too well. At a recent gig I was getting multiplys instead of inserts= .. Hmmm. So I have finally, bitten the bullet!

Not here yet, but expecting this week...

M



On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 = at 11:47 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote= :
Per Boysen wrote:

No need to swap content at all in the Gordius. Just make an additional
bank! Then when using your Looperlative do the tap dancing on Bank #1
and when tickling the Mobius you step on the same switches in Bank #2.


What I do is to use the LG "Songs" to call up a bank and footpeda= l assignments
for each piece of gear.

Then put them all in a LG "Set List".

In a "Set List" it's possible to either tick each song for in= clusion
in the display or not.
So while all the banks (and 'songs')stay in the LG memory, it's= possible just
to just scroll through the banks that are going to be useful in a performan= ce.
(the other ones being hidden)

andy




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