From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 2 02:01:11 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D23D133138; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 02:01:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=QrOJpypkxq9LIOqSoT1+vrNbXBHhWPP48St9FJvSGso=; b=jzQggw8AraFZEalWumdJcHnofks9ZCoyw1UIC2ZR2J5d4OV6+f+JQbMMnU7lybaoBG sJv2EErqG25qWaETZFUan78aVa3YOkndXM+j0nwh7Zd4tRO8FpN3Lg9Tph52cMpg/x+y XaaT8eLt9WCaUgjWDRKJAoFGb0F/+TLLrMowOHB5UsflPebyV7w1CIMU0DGOBcI+ig2h RvX4vEjhKy1ZzxgwNNkuo11cVt1qLfgkoBhqSkAsC70q5tseDxas9i/LcXf86S1qzKSO GrgfwrPqbPPKd3Q/jZMx6Ie3QqrENfl/wCqRJScEz76Szrg1YponmqRZO6KhNcHik128 gdpA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=QrOJpypkxq9LIOqSoT1+vrNbXBHhWPP48St9FJvSGso=; b=ISBX6rryD0LUxNdVq6G/jfZAQ22INBQmKfF/PnuDF+99HTMc8kr2KgA0oLi5ymlJVW J4oOjgZMKq5AKkPovXxeTOUe2ivhqzuVk1PQtgG1tsN8/3Z5BLj/V/Mk/bo3Ah9AqbX/ 44oxjIxQJTMy2Id23jF7widtmjjYSv6eqq7zgONASASj7zEMTZfR1PtOIg7dalzYd2pe UXrIgu3GYFj3+XKbuvr7QV7EjuKc1gbxohYoCcsfYcpV6WlpvLMBnrPHCAQpAMXuWERM r58Gi3oNq4MtNW6jpnVkEURfokJ+WLS5d0BWEUJGoa3a3rdWh5cd0OeN/lDY8Lh1xnJg f5pg== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJKNXtRGTll/7S8eSmtv/xu0rm/EWw0frSrkkqzIv4JwIecV1dhl1cBjJjkkdEI1VrrKQTbAkS7gmrq2jA== X-Received: by 10.194.91.175 with SMTP id cf15mr23478250wjb.7.1456884069959; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 18:01:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Torben Scharling Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 03:00:30 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Online hangout To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bfcebc6780cd1052d074145 Resent-Message-ID: <7KG_5D.A.TXE.mlk1WB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 02:01:11 +0000 (UTC) --047d7bfcebc6780cd1052d074145 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hey fellow loopers, I had this late night thought of us setting a date and commitment to having a live loop based online webcam/mic/text chat hangout. It should be really easy to setup a private Google Hangouts, where those that want can use their mic/webcam, those that can't, can type in the live chat or just hang our and observe :) And then we shoot the shit for an hour or more, or less. Get some tips from each other, maybe some of us can show some of our gear on camera, ask and answer questions, talk about the music business, basically just geek out :) I think this idea of having a private informal master class type live online "meeting" event, for those that dig the idea, could be a blast for us all, and hey something we could all learn from. Anyway, give it a thought and let me know what y'all think... Cheers from a very cold and snowy Denmark /Torben Scharling --047d7bfcebc6780cd1052d074145 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey fellow loopers,=C2=A0

I had this la= te night thought of us setting a date and commitment to having a live loop = based online webcam/mic/text chat hangout.=C2=A0

I= t should be really easy to setup a private Google Hangouts, where those tha= t want can use their mic/webcam, those that can't, can type in the live= chat or just hang our and observe :) And then we shoot the shit for an hou= r or more, or less. Get some tips from each other, maybe some of us can sho= w some of our gear on camera, ask and answer questions, talk about the musi= c business, basically just geek out :)=C2=A0
I think this idea of= having a private informal master class type live online "meeting"= ; event, for those that dig the idea, could be a blast for us all, and hey = something we could all learn from.

Anyway, give it= a thought and let me know what y'all think...



Cheers from a very cold and snowy Denmark=C2= =A0

/Torben Scharling
--047d7bfcebc6780cd1052d074145-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 2 15:30:07 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E38E4133138; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 15:30:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hblnxmtascan04.hostbaby.com Message-ID: <553bd55143ba601e2287a18fe4f8b6ac.squirrel@noahpeterson.com.hostbaby.com> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 09:30:04 -0600 Subject: 2016 SoCal LoopFest - From: "Noah Peterson" To: "Loopers-Delight" Reply-To: noah@noahpeterson.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 15:30:07 +0000 (UTC) Peterson Entertainment, Llc is proud to have partnered with the Bob Cole Conservatory of Music at California State University at Long Beach to present the 2016 Southern California LoopFest on Oct 14th and 15th. 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Noah Peterson Entertainment, Llc 999 East Basse Road #180-117 San Antonio, TX 78209 503-703-9516 -- www.noahpeterson.com www.petersonentertainment.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 14:34:59 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4443133137; Thu, 3 Mar 2016 14:34:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OWM-Source-IP: 10.110.13.1 () X-OWM-Env-Sender: blakemorehome@btinternet.com X-RazorGate-Suspect: true X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A090205.56D84B90.00B2,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1457015712; bh=Nk/YUEi1ISPyGWBWrTYuctzg99K6jJRT+hi87BEhr3E=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:MIME-Version; b=pPp/JVFS8eSolxGKNy2qV6qyCGt5Smo2krxaw2UrLBsVLSf6Mw6kfdlX5/QRd7AisQ3vJ1YRL1h2AINpaMNvCxVitqnVojGkTYX3fHOhush0x0EE3dWjC4miDKHCXTTQ4LB2hY8/xlDhxCmFTKnbAg4r1jgNVjSB4A/y8C9Ds44= Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 14:34:56 +0000 (GMT) From: STEVE BLAKEMORE Reply-To: blakemorehome@btinternet.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <7545959.35654.1457015696541.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: Online hangout MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_35653_32554656.1457015696524" X-CP-REPLY-UID: 9861 X-CP-REPLY-PATH: INBOX Importance: 3 (Normal) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Client-IP: IPv4[194.82.139.15] Epoch[1457015696524] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 14:34:59 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_35653_32554656.1457015696524 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_35652_11477564.1457015696523" ------=_Part_35652_11477564.1457015696523 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm definitely onboard. Great idea! ----Original message---- >From : torbenscharling@gmail.com Date : 02/03/2016 - 02:00 (GMTST) To : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject : Online hangout Hey fellow loopers, I had this late night thought of us setting a date and commitment to having a live loop based online webcam/mic/text chat hangout. It should be really easy to setup a private Google Hangouts, where those that want can use their mic/webcam, those that can't, can type in the live chat or just hang our and observe :) And then we shoot the shit for an hour or more, or less. Get some tips from each other, maybe some of us can show some of our gear on camera, ask and answer questions, talk about the music business, basically just geek out :) I think this idea of having a private informal master class type live online "meeting" event, for those that dig the idea, could be a blast for us all, and hey something we could all learn from. Anyway, give it a thought and let me know what y'all think... Cheers from a very cold and snowy Denmark /Torben Scharling ------=_Part_35652_11477564.1457015696523 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm definitely onboard. Great idea!



----Original message----From : torbenscharling@gmail.com
Date : 02/03/2016 - 02:00 (GMTST)
= To : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject : Online hangout
Hey fellow loopers, 

I had this l= ate night thought of us setting a date and commitment to having a live loop= based online webcam/mic/text chat hangout. 

= It should be really easy to setup a private Google Hangouts, where those th= at want can use their mic/webcam, those that can't, can type in the live ch= at or just hang our and observe :) And then we shoot the shit for an hour o= r more, or less. Get some tips from each other, maybe some of us can show s= ome of our gear on camera, ask and answer questions, talk about the music b= usiness, basically just geek out :) 
I think this idea of ha= ving a private informal master class type live online "meeting" event, for = those that dig the idea, could be a blast for us all, and hey something we = could all learn from.

Anyway, give it a thought an= d let me know what y'all think...


<= br>
Cheers from a very cold and snowy Denmark 

/Torben = Scharling


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= On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:00 PM, Torben Scharling <torbenscharling@= gmail.com> wrote:
I had th= is late night thought of us setting a date and commitment to having a live = loop based online webcam/mic/text chat hangout.=C2=A0
Sounds good!
Sylvain
--001a1143fc8e0bb327052d2677e1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 8 15:51:46 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8836133132; Tue, 8 Mar 2016 15:51:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Sebastian Comeau To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: Specific Requirements For Pedal Thread-Topic: Specific Requirements For Pedal Thread-Index: AdFwJXqp39Ty7yO4Rrq4NflXkUQgngASfZWAAAMnywAAG8x/AAIZsspZ Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 15:51:43 +0000 Message-ID: <590C010BD62203418E723B816D31F77B0FEBA8B4@SMS01.students.gsmd.ac.uk> References: <590C010BD62203418E723B816D31F77B0FEADFAE@SMS01.students.gsmd.ac.uk> ,<3519D4CA-7D2E-4E6B-9727-DD1FF15A6383@yahoo.co.uk>, In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-GB X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.168.55.8] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 15:51:46 +0000 (UTC) Thank you all so much!! I think I'm going with the RC 505, as some of you s= uggested (if I make enough money then I might get another one). You're righ= t - the brain is the hardest thing to manipulate to get what you want! Best wishes, and lots of love to this amazing resource, Toby ________________________________ From: David Mason [stubhead@hotmail.com] Sent: 26 February 2016 23:13 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Specific Requirements For Pedal I will say, regardless of what system you go to, you're going to have to "a= dapt to it" as well as "it adapt to you." I'm currently tearing out my hair= trying to come up with something IDEAL - umm, I'll be bald soon! Most of t= hese work with a sequential "undo" capability, so IF you can remember where= and how you loaded a loop in, you can claw your way back to it (erasing ev= erything on the way, sadly). The basic, almost philosophical decision I had= to make was to look for the single ultra-everything box, or use a combinat= ion of smaller, dumber ones to creat initial loops then load them into a hi= gher-order processor. You got your general, you got your field marshals, yo= u got your sergeants, you got your privates.... I have something of an aver= sion to basic "Boss tone" - I've had an RC20-XL since their debut, and the= only way I can get it to sound good is to feed it a fully-processed signal= . To the best of my knowledge, Boss hasn't upgraded their root-level preamp= in... forever. So I bought both a Pigtronix Infinity and a TC Electronic D= itto X2 with the idea that ONE would end up as the master brain, but they B= OTH sound so good I haven't HAD to bust one back to private. I do believe I'm going to end up with Audacity computer recording as my FIN= AL final stage. Since the Infinity and the DItto will each hold two loops w= ithout "committing", and the Boss and an Akai Headrush can each hold one, t= hat gives me six before I have to finalize ANY ONE LOOP... and I CAN revers= e direction and store several final sub-master versions onto the Boss if I = want to. Which immediately brings up Enemy #2 (Enemy #1 is, alas, my own BR= AIN'S lack of storage - i.e. - "What a great lick - where'd THAT come from?= "). Enemy #2 is NOISE. It just piles up, and up, and... Every layer of stor= age adds more. And, even with humbuckings, sitting right in front of a not-= P.O.S. monitor doesn't help either. And you HAVE to be willing to dump stuf= f, or at least tease your brain into being able to repeat something cool. I= f you could play it once, you can play it again, although this is a frighte= ningly anti-"mojo", anti-"inspiration" point of view. C'mon MAGIC FINGERS..= . Do Your Thing! Well, NO. The few people I've "philosophized" with (there'= s that word again) over looping agree, yer BRAIN is the hardest thing to tr= ick into performing adequately. > Subject: Re: Specific Requirements For Pedal > From: ajmechkov@yahoo.co.uk > Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 09:57:12 +0000 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Exactly what I was about to say :-) > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 26 Feb 2016, at 08:26, Antony Hequet wrote: > > > > I use the RC 500 and I like the power and simplicity. If you are not go= ing to go computer then sync two RC 500 is the way to go > > > >> On 26 Feb 2016, at 00:37, Sebastian Comeau wrote: > >> > >> Dear all, > >> > >> I am looking for a pedal that can have many loops happening at once, e= ach with independent controls (so that I could have, say, 8 layers of music= and be able to change/stop any one of them without interfering with the ot= hers). The best I've managed to find online is the Boss RC 500, which does = 5 channels. Anyone know anything that can do more than 5? > >> > >> Warm wishes, > >> Toby > >> This mail checked by Sophos PureMessage > > > This mail checked by Sophos PureMessage From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 8 16:03:37 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9515D133136; Tue, 8 Mar 2016 16:03:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=ao/Y5zcJr0/SwkDmK8Cau1kFZu8MNm5pWw/1yIRXEgw=; b=YaTPrfVsBivK2YnjJWUblkXlammOcvv2VATHNlLWfwD0tRjv67KQWbDvzYPFsTf02w P3i7eH/d/n3zG59X20suGz2OUEngImzwDKJvoNYU0OH1mwHnblk7A8mFLVFh4oEO2rZF AWmipcrkrjsnffNsLPv3rUxbGJkVEq+hpFPSBw1kdnBwtBDBrGjtnyu9umOdRsDfBGGJ bmT2v3XZjfo8k+X556MzpepKYls9NyGn1TYJ/11AIBBsB48A92WENWxpiG8FFtFI8HAC KjnW+acHbMIZARJQug72EvCJ/Gj/FWVBoZ2jyH0sjOQFQOOTb7Cl6A4NO5uUSJbKS4gJ edzg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=ao/Y5zcJr0/SwkDmK8Cau1kFZu8MNm5pWw/1yIRXEgw=; b=Cc84QIWTKmlV8WY57d1hFJivgo0FOODaGKrGNxsQGSIlGEJvxpD0IFgRg57YjBvwCR c9UKTbEDaqInrHc69fH4aScSG1M11xuwWmWGeBlT1n9+vDybf4uqINxNLbHaoRF285rk vU1R3UXvYhVboUTtQ5wu1rJyDvJVuXOQIcaGhgHBEsK7+KGo6QuWQ4MK2DYmMMiO1gj9 zzArfv5pV5pHKdvWqORyBOWBT4rrT451x0wJTSc/9UIjzBJ9WbBMUxKvJUZwQSSvYzhN jalk40BzXyFKuynKefFFlq1OsZuMRUfr6kOtc9F1xU4JYqUtNNBF1blqG4YD7GhlvcDH jIvw== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJKtL35PmLrTvsBlAtLQzTcZ5u55mvQPigf/ux1l3e4dBMYYRDaEOz2UnnGoN6Llr0VM0Dwn9wO/k0ceDA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.79.102 with SMTP id i6mr17801424oex.4.1457453016499; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 08:03:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <127FD331-BFF4-49F4-84EB-3C0F37B7DBA0@wightman.ca> References: <590C010BD62203418E723B816D31F77B0FEADFAE@SMS01.students.gsmd.ac.uk> <127FD331-BFF4-49F4-84EB-3C0F37B7DBA0@wightman.ca> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 10:03:36 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Specific Requirements For Pedal From: Josh Elliott To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0112ce78534b41052d8bb964 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 16:03:37 +0000 (UTC) --089e0112ce78534b41052d8bb964 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My thoughts exactly on a laptop. Or Abletons's own looper can do that and more On Feb 25, 2016 6:16 PM, "Paul Haslem" wrote: > I may be wrong, but I think you need to be looking at a laptop running > m=C3=B6bius or something like that along with a good midi foot controller= . > > Paul > > > On Feb 25, 2016, at 6:37 PM, Sebastian Comeau < > Sebastian.Comeau@stu.gsmd.ac.uk> wrote: > > > > Dear all, > > > > I am looking for a pedal that can have many loops happening at once, > each with independent controls (so that I could have, say, 8 layers of > music and be able to change/stop any one of them without interfering with > the others). The best I've managed to find online is the Boss RC 500, whi= ch > does 5 channels. Anyone know anything that can do more than 5? > > > > Warm wishes, > > Toby > > This mail checked by Sophos PureMessage > > > > --089e0112ce78534b41052d8bb964 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

My thoughts exactly on a laptop. Or Abletons's own loope= r can do that and more

On Feb 25, 2016 6:16 PM, "Paul Haslem"= <phaslem@wightman.ca> wro= te:
I may be wrong, = but I think you need to be looking at a laptop running m=C3=B6bius or somet= hing like that along with a good midi foot controller.

Paul

> On Feb 25, 2016, at 6:37 PM, Sebastian Comeau <Sebastian.Comeau@stu.gsmd.ac.uk> wrot= e:
>
> Dear all,
>
> I am looking for a pedal that can have many loops happening at once, e= ach with independent controls (so that I could have, say, 8 layers of music= and be able to change/stop any one of them without interfering with the ot= hers). The best I've managed to find online is the Boss RC 500, which d= oes 5 channels. Anyone know anything that can do more than 5?
>
> Warm wishes,
> Toby
> This mail checked by Sophos PureMessage
>

--089e0112ce78534b41052d8bb964-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 9 19:37:51 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56328133133; Wed, 9 Mar 2016 19:37:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 488 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at arsenic; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 19:37:51 UTC Reply-To: From: "Andrew Koenig" To: References: <590C010BD62203418E723B816D31F77B0FEADFAE@SMS01.students.gsmd.ac.uk> ,<3519D4CA-7D2E-4E6B-9727-DD1FF15A6383@yahoo.co.uk>, <590C010BD62203418E723B816D31F77B0FEBA8B4@SMS01.students.gsmd.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <590C010BD62203418E723B816D31F77B0FEBA8B4@SMS01.students.gsmd.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Specific Requirements For Pedal Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 14:29:44 -0500 Message-ID: <001201d17a3a$091aacd0$1b500670$@acm.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQJvOYfJsYLWRBBek9vjVrIuREop+wG/rjR8AZOjrpYBy8qLnwL9f5+6ndUb0WA= Content-Language: en-us DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1457551783; bh=5YkQup+WMHsDiyQhNIKfmgOG1Xd79a5RfbGPLkATOL0=; h=Received:Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=K/3J/n7bZCEmR4MbZIvU1nA08WT8eIArocw330RxiLhFfVwN4m5ihIYEAk4EqCYWm 5xzkBcRzUCNIjK2ZU2mJREtPZl5MFEHTx0TXTA06SiTGcioSwJld/EtahaAxQrIZXn 2+Kpn1lEkdyMw732MhBzuErXjsWBY3rAnA6AVvLvPWwm3SH1dI1+KUzyqanrPpUIAF d7ea1evbmpnrZlpLUrhZeDLv6Joj2fFLHJ5cn1YB9yA3DlGNis2dEylv5LLq67YRK7 hp7oCBfdaCt2V5qKfKNU5z4FZ1SopXVRnIZ6kommco/3MlAWmqEtGWYzjh56N0Fl2j cGvVbTIJsuCBQ== Resent-Message-ID: <1kf89D.A.j1H.PuH4WB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 19:37:51 +0000 (UTC) > Thank you all so much!! I think I'm going with the RC 505, as some of you > suggested (if I make enough money then I might get another one). You're right - the > brain is the hardest thing to manipulate to get what you want! TC-Helicon VoiceTouch 2 has six loops. In many other ways it's more restrictive than the RC505, but it does have six loops. Elektron Octatrack can probably be made to support 8 loops. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 10 19:49:50 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82F8CFF959; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 19:49:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=G7Acc9ET0YRG1DU1FZyBr0wTvXShpa/zfu05iubFLww=; b=ZhT6VU+ghhc8CAPrO2ly5Vs9NQGQAXwUmJWVULFYKce0wr66XZM9GUBnKIweKV9QgC AWUoxG9gvf3WwQUUERXUeUv3JdoVDNmOmoGXQEVjaUfLijPwK6YCBdgmjvKmAQAeiTS4 mVMGDh+O+F2g9E8pNdl3V7alKl4NaDhhnuYja0bD0JV2ul4GLn/S/xkc53HGqVVVChnD fuphXFuH2IeDO8DFKl3jB8RbVZvx12AJiAc82YQ5bL65lkE7q41050Jcr50jdGIFljGD vtLO2eo7GIVJvgKedh7X0XljJgFL0pc1gjlWGqCVyUCCAPM87QKHV2+057z/ZCEUzy38 6a1w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=G7Acc9ET0YRG1DU1FZyBr0wTvXShpa/zfu05iubFLww=; b=FItjYFm+rCXrFvemE9GMl+coc/JEq6JaIJIY3oUQACs0G5ts4kYmlT89j+4Ldx8wzO ckZpsJVd3IqZOEBAjYzWv9Bq/w1TwSZxYqNVvcaMv8SqGRfbr0NhYwJsCT7vjJ66vCbj PN+CCb6XZaYoTr9NLPmu7RPAdcGcYLxlH+U0dvqpA0FA/6pZ4Ituzf3uYaVEIAOzRthN lN6MJqPOgullIz1CEiV3ad6VmD6RfV6+9ycZYY70aayqYy+vk3LpYzokzHC5ZQyUEO37 udIMMxZ1Ww0036yvjAnv2DXsCHim7/LQjlIYiOH8dDVEe8PDoHAQ1evzCChYnypq9gA/ MpIw== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJIaZBmagsxJ00Q+PDdRUQuQxeWeZCA/hFWCELvwUZrE0MjEN5VQVY3WyijI8EvYinlHpUrSYysZQdMKUw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.20.98 with SMTP id m2mr106484ige.9.1457639389712; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 11:49:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 11:49:49 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: GK-3 Question From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd76bea08d6e1052db71eb1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 19:49:50 +0000 (UTC) --047d7bd76bea08d6e1052db71eb1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Anyone got any thoughts on putting a regular GK-3 pickup on a bass VI? Do you think it is likley to work well or have issues? Thanks, Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) --047d7bd76bea08d6e1052db71eb1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone got any thoughts on putting a regular GK-= 3 pickup on a bass VI?=C2=A0 Do you think it is likley to work well or have= issues?

Thanks,

Kevin

--
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form. That is the primal ig= norance which is the root cause of all trouble.

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--047d7bd76bea08d6e1052db71eb1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 10 20:15:03 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 467A9FF969; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 20:15:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=LmuJE8HyWSR9kUIEqa+/y9W2pGlxAiPfm0rkftQ6eBk=; b=rtAGT06KL+l8CpkrpyJ3G3iullxS0sWZhaR8lgN3ruXbJn0kx2ofb/7fNZXU7V9glP RcLl3KEyHJcjwT8mGbELa4oLkYt/3t7qptM2gmffqLmdJU3P1/i2zfCEwmx0ZssJUL3x /ZBU33KxUyujJOuB0Cnp/Ls/FDYVAZPL30jKZC8hzoVH/Bl4JLs6TbYGwql/R9p/wvDJ +fxHZxh9RCmitwLjvZPsnAEVeHyhsywqp/3VAs09aUMdzbfyHXIvIQ+6U2SYR+39D+w9 tBzYucttNnKMnuUwi+CDnFPFqEWDTfuUYJFE2n1OVN8idWfZ8Vr3vB/Pvn9pyz5Mr7Nt QHtw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=LmuJE8HyWSR9kUIEqa+/y9W2pGlxAiPfm0rkftQ6eBk=; b=Fa5CTonqb/BzxAE/pILT5fPxE4L39CkJW2ZS0zF782p+1ne5TKpgPq3nVGkb9wjXJS I2ux0PD+ir9MlIKXR0y/2ISRLkrLZylgFHtqJE5GPBDx8H88j+BnG1GhEJT7t+QZjyxH 5Cq2f5d8vElhDpViLvzRm9xSb3ghKPjaE7NMWCLQer82i9xKTPwIIrCZUq1LLhkJnHhv aTQOisucGB+yYOfa2lXauJh2tsxyVQAzpvK5zDvSwHo24P0I9jc0cQ/5Jc9+koqJk1k6 w+FpV+0g8a263yAc3S1XqKvtHg6O32ZrlugDHEom1YIrOrjNgDdIVDVqW340IIiGGKXi 0InQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJKXYLkAi9XFKgmATudh3yRFSon1SYd+JYwP0v77ZjeRMhKsx+cLMp+rRCzVzBWKYlWU5/6EVAAIUtcpgw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.202.182.11 with SMTP id g11mr3172031oif.133.1457640902484; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 12:15:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 21:15:02 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: GK-3 Question From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 20:15:03 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kev, I've been using GK-3 PUPs on string instruments with 36" scale, 26.5" scale and 24,75" scale and everything has been working fine. If you use the GK with a GR-55 there is an option for adjusting the tracking sensitivity to match the scale length. It has Les Paul, Fender and Bass as default options and then you can tweak each of those three a little extra for finer adjustment if needed. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > Anyone got any thoughts on putting a regular GK-3 pickup on a bass VI? Do > you think it is likley to work well or have issues? > > Thanks, > > Kevin > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 10 21:35:28 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7895133132; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 21:35:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=ceRmJ4fWS7fjLjseXcjPAnIDx5wUTClmssy0nhs3gro=; b=SYytLmlcG3LLuVPU9iFExg4OilTf6b1guethMMwu8Dkvc+LB7M9cM6rjSY+iEZLi+L 5jq2x5RfHQmfoqOgsbDTR8TqR2McWsdma1WD5K2ilpEjpWuvm7ss6rfGVKmGocIstXhn NXzbwpJnp5VkwWViI265I/zRP7MQrifLBg3DuLPclmTGF7H4fMuI2lve5xYNkIaJo1yd 4csFuTiLteJAF3keicjcSwAYf2UVIB+oZI85EFgmaUcZEnMLSy/iUecmLLorhmUCb6fI KKB2GocdJLOx4zeEDe3hNnpiWcb/VqNDQ3yrssNeRtd7JWq1as7ZP92qcu+kGPe4wXnR OWew== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=ceRmJ4fWS7fjLjseXcjPAnIDx5wUTClmssy0nhs3gro=; b=E7irlZI1xoaFLJ2w6UEzTSWatzkhOFUsX6sl8qo62isjUrHaisAWeEoSPWsHR2EZqP Fj4fI3N5KyCo107+XNSUlvws25Fzya8XQszoSqbzIeY90Z69GiUPYLnA69wE01CDe6+t KthNVbNk4K44lDDIv/nXvWbOOieGbHMLSTX01lkYNCKyWMqMJJDYHNdiEERG7U6rdnJj cnfyYpVR+QaYiTuVAjeuGrco5kryi8ZusU/yy634U/44N3CW91YAeTOXpUAjZYnx5ODs PIVJ4w54Xw+mx+8+Qyl0IyKTPcHRPWyI9+HnTO7rtMPeirzWyD2yCuU+f0vvBmMvmMQK EbAQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJJsGjfDu1vximI9ZQVsaxjpJClQnvbrowyNxJJBLiSGZ0XTeRbRrfPYG2q+k2Fn+a3l4VoKMiRzmzIshw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.112.202 with SMTP id is10mr161089igb.63.1457645728194; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 13:35:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 16:35:28 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: GK-3 Question From: bassman To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b3398c9d6d73d052db8970c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 21:35:28 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b3398c9d6d73d052db8970c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I've seen this done over on the vguitarforum - works well. On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi Kev, > > I've been using GK-3 PUPs on string instruments with 36" scale, 26.5" > scale and 24,75" scale and everything has been working fine. If you > use the GK with a GR-55 there is an option for adjusting the tracking > sensitivity to match the scale length. It has Les Paul, Fender and > Bass as default options and then you can tweak each of those three a > little extra for finer adjustment if needed. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando > wrote: > > Anyone got any thoughts on putting a regular GK-3 pickup on a bass VI? > Do > > you think it is likley to work well or have issues? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Kevin > > > > -- > > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all > trouble. > > > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > > > --047d7b3398c9d6d73d052db8970c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've seen this done over on the vguitarforum - works w= ell.


On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
Hi Kev,

I've been using GK-3 PUPs on string instruments with 36" scale, 26= .5"
scale and 24,75" scale and everything has been working fine. If you use the GK with a GR-55 there is an option for adjusting the tracking
sensitivity to match the scale length. It has Les Paul, Fender and
Bass as default options and then you can tweak each of those three a
little extra for finer adjustment if needed.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
w= ww.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen


On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando
<billowhead@gmail.com> wr= ote:
> Anyone got any thoughts on putting a regular GK-3 pickup on a bass VI?= =C2=A0 Do
> you think it is likley to work well or have issues?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kevin
>
> --
> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have = a
> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trou= ble.
>
> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)
>


--047d7b3398c9d6d73d052db8970c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 10 21:44:09 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B360133134; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 21:44:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=6SBxgunsUgu2PoPTqQivEnUFtntalCa3b+7cZobQoFM=; b=AkkVUxGdMO50i8q3CH552vwteUjws0JUjDKXIwZO/yCh+E4zw11qLZNeO9Nrxmdkwn M+WVRWYh4O/xMdba5IwUIADrkdAfsPlFiNXOdw+/7797TmaA2Wt+a64deXnRQxrKyl8W ncmMzxPdnaldE0UqoHtFb1qTURG028hXy9cauyeI++1SpFIcffVPR26f7UjduFdcL4m5 L95vi7QDNmppzbdQaUEV9FXspL4KphMVJYhet4HCb3VAwSKfhPi4VzElgjeeTg8RQfKn efUYAoKXdWpOmxUdsdskrxOCPvPl4AJ17AtdyRmU30ojaD/lgX4aXkJPzBpjlQWst8Oc a+bA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=6SBxgunsUgu2PoPTqQivEnUFtntalCa3b+7cZobQoFM=; b=Mruh1Z7OkUE4Qd1c8FHRwyuF43HNtgj9lHYGeWF1koCaceGapCW8eovz7WPTiVO9Zf 4BmyrFaPvN3acGHDyt6DF9EG1UKTfqyICJRHP2Mm+dBmpj3JpgphojWkJwh+iIWufeaV saKzsuaTHN1Fv2ffDanG8gh4t2Jzt8Z5RQIXJF7nNJ2aCOWLL6C3r9U09CMoGHlTeW7r Yqq/3rg41S+1jJ3D0Deuk200JYnmK1TWRPssIixPGE4U0C2+EFlUod1D8y4VEVTeii0A C/Wn5F4V/UrLxiUh+9jryG5r9BpYGue9LmJJlVAkdzXifAvd3txhYgOBeOvQLJpncfEe CJ5w== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJJwRU4xVj5K65b8EHmEW+e93vg65DodABsOAE41n1Brxg6DjrI2K+qfdYO7ufq3x06ZQ4CNATPcALFocg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.38.78 with SMTP id m75mr6126906iom.15.1457646248740; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 13:44:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 13:44:08 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: GK-3 Question From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1141c702dd579c052db8b698 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 21:44:09 +0000 (UTC) --001a1141c702dd579c052db8b698 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Thanks all, Kevin On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:35 PM, bassman wrote: > I've seen this done over on the vguitarforum - works well. > > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> Hi Kev, >> >> I've been using GK-3 PUPs on string instruments with 36" scale, 26.5" >> scale and 24,75" scale and everything has been working fine. If you >> use the GK with a GR-55 there is an option for adjusting the tracking >> sensitivity to match the scale length. It has Les Paul, Fender and >> Bass as default options and then you can tweak each of those three a >> little extra for finer adjustment if needed. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando >> wrote: >> > Anyone got any thoughts on putting a regular GK-3 pickup on a bass VI? >> Do >> > you think it is likley to work well or have issues? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Kevin >> > >> > -- >> > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a >> > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all >> trouble. >> > >> > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >> > >> >> > -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) --001a1141c702dd579c052db8b698 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks all,

Kevin

On Thu, Mar 10, 201= 6 at 1:35 PM, bassman <bassman4d521@gmail.com> wrote:
I've seen this done o= ver on the vguitarforum - works well.


O= n Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:
Hi Kev,

I've been using GK-3 PUPs on string instruments with 36" scale, 26= .5"
scale and 24,75" scale and everything has been working fine. If you use the GK with a GR-55 there is an option for adjusting the tracking
sensitivity to match the scale length. It has Les Paul, Fender and
Bass as default options and then you can tweak each of those three a
little extra for finer adjustment if needed.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
w= ww.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen


On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando
<billowhead@gm= ail.com> wrote:
> Anyone got any thoughts on putting a regular GK-3 pickup on a bass VI?= =C2=A0 Do
> you think it is likley to work well or have issues?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kevin
>
> --
> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have = a
> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trou= ble.
>
> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)
>





--
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the b= ody and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root c= ause of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

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Just got an Ober= heim EDP

 

Want to upgrade memory

 

Looking at manual

· =         4= mb Simm – 30 pin – 120ns access time

 

Seems like best I can fi= nd on ebay have a 70ns

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= --_000_4E5F860CF2856941B75E5F1CA816154F011341B5C2B9JUAmail_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 05:59:55 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B41D133134; Mon, 14 Mar 2016 05:59:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 4588 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at arsenic; Mon, 14 Mar 2016 05:59:54 UTC From: William Walker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: GK-3 Question Message-Id: <952E135D-4238-47B3-BC77-80FFB8FC4E91@baymoon.com> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 21:43:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Resent-Message-ID: <6BlszB.A.jAC.bNl5WB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 05:59:55 +0000 (UTC) Other than the fact that thicker strings at lower pitches have a little = more latency in the tracking, Ive used a GK pickup on a baritone scale = lengths of between 27 and 28 inches at various times. Im currently = using a GK with the Antares ATG-1 auto tune processor which is most = amazing and tracks very well. 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Mon, 14 Mar 2016 02:30:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20160314043500.773FF133138@arsenic.violacea.com> From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 10:30:19 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 03:15:16 > THE PiNG presents Fulldeck Subhuman + sLAB + General Chaos Visuals To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1134e7a00f07d6052dfeefd0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 09:30:39 +0000 (UTC) --001a1134e7a00f07d6052dfeefd0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 This has been discussed before, general consensus is that its ok. PING has been on this list as long as I can remember... I think it can be inspiring to see whats happening around the world... On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 9:51 AM, jrploopers wrote: > Hey PING, > since you can't move your Toronto to my Berlin, please don't send other > than internet-based events to this international mailing list. > Shame i can't come, looks very< good. > > jayrope > --- > www.kliklak.net/jayrope/ > www.aircushionfinish.com > www.soundcloud.com/jayrope > www.ello.co/jayrope > > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe --001a1134e7a00f07d6052dfeefd0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This has been discussed before, general consensus is that = its ok. PING has been on this list as long as I can remember... I think it = can be inspiring to see whats happening around the world...=C2=A0

On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at= 9:51 AM, jrploopers <jrploopers@kliklak.net> wrote:
Hey PING,
since you can't move your Toronto to my Berlin, please don't send o= ther than internet-based events to this international mailing list.
Shame i can't come, looks very< good.

jayrope
---
www.kliklak.net/jayrope/
www.aircushionfinish.com
www.soundcloud.com/jayrope
www.ello.co/jayrope





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--001a1134e7a00f07d6052dfeefd0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 16:57:50 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86965FF87B; Mon, 14 Mar 2016 16:57:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: andy butler Subject: Re: EDP Memory Upgrade Help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4E5F860CF2856941B75E5F1CA816154F011341B5C2B9@JUA-mail> Reply-To: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk Message-ID: <56E6ED99.2050205@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 16:58:01 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4E5F860CF2856941B75E5F1CA816154F011341B5C2B9@JUA-mail> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080707030001030300020107" X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.0.0.1202-22194.001 X-TM-AS-Result: No--12.027-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--12.027-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: an0kgb/Zfgo7iuZ/mdYYtmTN8qSQa9QlBk+/r+IFkv7IWumlXq1Vw+HO HmbNVg++SSQ7jOqms05LLfjo9MtJbFt06oMfzUpK0WSQSF2ijCDRMPpR62Sh5aI6gYhlAAAHxwS cK2cSXkQML3kpVORhM2g4D2QV/2zL6r3HCixfuKeDc12calQKWpDQAaGVBFQOYnP+cq2mFg5Xmx qYx7OZlsZXUijhl2l8GQlUVP2iPcxCdUZFvvy+kJb7No0srrTk7KBBZ2QBUyzQ23n+P5pIMRQji zXtCXfTWYqLLUX2mAtB6yOrxc8xu3cF/0kiqyh4DxjBugJBzzw1oZAzaiun7ZzN4TRnB0lvp0Ij HbiBDzahceD4qhbZRrlgdmQKMEU9cK8qHvdFHLBBDVeC8J7uwQhMlC+dGP6A42D56kBvvfE6uau FPPtNZfepys9WAF85i+m1DDPm2yIWyk90TI5HWrQfSLTfZUi83SlEgVuyN9tvuYnoduGWEYAy6p 60ZV62JDZjsJmZO2F6i0nrCpe9XNmzcdRxL+xwvJqH1oJhQIeCP5E8bD7O+SuwtyZ+Gq+ippTIs mXPLu5kMbLNy3FEWqYlJjkAyHgIOuJGT6bR4Gq7U6EU9Zfeb22OgRnOJqO8Rk0EX9l97Js= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 16:57:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080707030001030300020107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ahhhhh, just like the old days. :-) 70ns access time is ok, that will be faster than 120ns. happy looping Andy On 14/03/2016 04:14, Anthony Hancock wrote: > > Just got an Oberheim EDP > > Want to upgrade memory > > Looking at manual > > ·4mb Simm – 30 pin – 120ns access time > > Seems like best I can find on ebay have a 70ns > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/16MB-SIMM-30-pin-4-x-4MB-70ns-MATCHED-SET-OF-MEMORY-TESTED-AND-WORKING-/281942423266?hash=item41a513f6e2:g:Gj4AAOSwNyFWeg~Z > > Do I need 120ns access time – any ideas where to find ‘em > > Tony > --------------080707030001030300020107 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ahhhhh,
just like the old days.   :-)

70ns access time is ok,
that will be faster than 120ns.

happy looping
Andy

On 14/03/2016 04:14, Anthony Hancock wrote:

Just got an Oberheim EDP

 

Want to upgrade memory

 

Looking at manual

·         4mb Simm – 30 pin – 120ns access time

 

Seems like best I can find on ebay have a 70ns

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/16MB-SIMM-30-pin-4-x-4MB-70ns-MATCHED-SET-OF-MEMORY-TESTED-AND-WORKING-/281942423266?hash=item41a513f6e2:g:Gj4AAOSwNyFWeg~Z

 

Do I need 120ns access time – any ideas where to find ‘em

 

Tony

 


--------------080707030001030300020107-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 17:04:31 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE62CFF969; Mon, 14 Mar 2016 17:04:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id:references :to; bh=bRkIPVsZvJhBNwaOgmiKQLlXn/Pm6ddLREzf0b7e+Go=; b=lUUu34tZrBvgtxzq+pFRXMISXcrbDJeVKnjMWovsZynivt8BCPeWzTHwWwLKBwr60x 5baobcVxR7AtAEIG/gUiEdYYClx/tKiH+dVmu07lIDW3eW9T6FMuBRpiewMDNqQZK0hs MUxM9fbXX2ZQ/I6KJiGexuLjchz9NRb8b0/Rg+Q39nKdx/4FXarp3zmHZKG4upyHmxBR 01NPlcZgBQgOhESDkpBabEEmt0Y9zHcRKB1RkiWOMH9Qjg7GD8hRCBSwl+L3gN1YO52H a+3r/9/ZbNNihZS+kTysGwQS/AeY7UwLFxBpGQ5bVpWzPxMoopLWrI56E0nx0jc8BuEW Ud7g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to; bh=bRkIPVsZvJhBNwaOgmiKQLlXn/Pm6ddLREzf0b7e+Go=; b=HuYmWbgbkBoV7tRO1H2ZBytv/FPdox1yuIc90kInP/PLZesE9oYJ+bT+Is9EFStELD CpiPS5gcyA2ErA0D099Q/3JhxeHrTNJaae6crOOcAZ50jSCQqgPq30Gq+KfNQuGf/FL1 mv22y4RZd2OpwecK2ZJ2ack6K+oDuDSYmYoUNMf5+Xzaeck+MEbgwD7hsz9DOI/0KHp/ cBjz33rb0iFjenRpfBCLhqghuMRgovCFU9Lv8NMAx3jikyQ3m/S4Angdb3fnTlH2Z2Y4 JaLPsYYb2+OCQSaFUOR9OIOxHQ/rNV53/jbrLIkY8d0RV76awfBN7bVrunT1iBRWy++3 gtUQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJLP3RtqIwCw0rhLBAlj+x//I84YtJCpPjMe828ibKzr2QWY3f7GGf8CaXUBrUG2xg== X-Received: by 10.55.221.18 with SMTP id n18mr31476261qki.50.1457975070812; Mon, 14 Mar 2016 10:04:30 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_FD2F6A27-D523-41AF-B645-CCE2CA68FB2A" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) Subject: Re: EDP Memory Upgrade Help From: Matthias Grob In-Reply-To: <56E6ED99.2050205@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 14:04:26 -0300 Cc: Andy Butler Message-Id: References: <4E5F860CF2856941B75E5F1CA816154F011341B5C2B9@JUA-mail> <56E6ED99.2050205@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loop List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 17:04:31 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_FD2F6A27-D523-41AF-B645-CCE2CA68FB2A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 yes, quicker is better but those have the problem that they are 9 chips/module - may work or = not this configuration is a bigger charge than the 2 or 3 chip version that = always work letme see whether I have some here=85 > On Mar 14, 2016, at 1:58 PM, andy butler = wrote: >=20 > Ahhhhh, > just like the old days. :-) >=20 > 70ns access time is ok,=20 > that will be faster than 120ns. >=20 > happy looping > Andy >=20 > On 14/03/2016 04:14, Anthony Hancock wrote: >> Just got an Oberheim EDP >> =20 >> Want to upgrade memory >> =20 >> Looking at manual=20 >> =B7 4mb Simm =96 30 pin =96 120ns access time >> =20 >> Seems like best I can find on ebay have a 70ns >> =20 >> = http://www.ebay.com/itm/16MB-SIMM-30-pin-4-x-4MB-70ns-MATCHED-SET-OF-MEMOR= Y-TESTED-AND-WORKING-/281942423266?hash=3Ditem41a513f6e2:g:Gj4AAOSwNyFWeg~= Z = >> =20 >> Do I need 120ns access time =96 any ideas where to find =91em >> =20 >> Tony >> =20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_FD2F6A27-D523-41AF-B645-CCE2CA68FB2A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 yes, quicker is better
but those have the = problem that they are 9 chips/module - may work or not
this configuration is a bigger charge than the 2 or 3 chip = version that always work
letme see whether I have = some here=85

On = Mar 14, 2016, at 1:58 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

Ahhhhh,
just like the = old days.   :-)

70ns access time is ok, 
that will be faster than 120ns.

happy = looping
Andy

On 14/03/2016 04:14, Anthony = Hancock wrote:
Just got an Oberheim EDP
 
Want to upgrade memory
 
Looking = at manual 
=B7         4mb = Simm =96 30 pin =96 120ns access time
 
Seems like best I can find on ebay have = a 70ns
 
 
Do I need 120ns access time =96 any ideas where to find = =91em
 
Tony
 



= --Apple-Mail=_FD2F6A27-D523-41AF-B645-CCE2CA68FB2A-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 16 18:42:13 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 465BEFF879; Wed, 16 Mar 2016 18:42:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at arsenic; Wed, 16 Mar 2016 18:42:12 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=juno.com; s=alpha; t=1458153731; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=mww6H86KA4iiRzmQ2veAe4cjb7180wM5s4/4CtdlvHE74KyO3/zyA/1q1lr+tIXPe NHjGSuU3qP3SOL48A0rIXF97+Gr7NYkstfXOsHdq6CrQP0ogkMClczLwr+8y6xo7Fg L3IltLbtVMKMdT/kQ1lh4DWtKUYjfY8WgB1pJBHc= X-UOL-TAGLINE: true X-Originating-IP: [75.89.249.10] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "qrd@juno.com" Full-Name: "qrd@juno.com" Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2016 18:34:05 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New Loop Driven Releases from Silber X-Mailer: EOW2_A2 Message-Id: <20160316.143405.4454.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__Jbf6eb92.53f10372S.516c72edM" X-UNTD-BodySize: 1545 X-ContentStamp: 1:1:489391517 X-MAIL-INFO:420469e975040d710d69490c0d409405fde47d64a00565655141a9e4e45905055174f0890171153d6075c08161b0404975242569753521a5a9b1d1a90025e14d39246441c59d64c955c941fd19c9ad8da591a13d70d4a51d1dddb060a1a1f4a5a5ddc47df0d555cd49349d6d05650d840d5964cd01407451e505e0bdbded04d915a004813db0a13d7024a170a1f9d424d1d1bd35b48d993540450d0054354d4ded1184a9e139 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: 9EhR0pLz6z7q94T4wP1NVggrZ0vPq0weea546DWIcBU= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.181.12.143|webmail03.vgs.untd.com|outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com|qrd@juno.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2016 18:42:13 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__Jbf6eb92.53f10372S.516c72edM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hey, Been a while as I've been on Facebook newsgroups mainly these days. Any= way, I thought some of you might dig the two new ones on Silber with som= e looping going on. Russian drone pop album from Thorn1 - https://silbermedia.bandcamp.com/a= lbum/the-leave-of-leaves = Instrumental surfgaze EP from Treyverb - https://silbermedia.bandcamp.co= m/album/a-year-without-words = Let me know what you think. hrt Brian John Mitchell www.silbermedia.com = ____________________________________________________________ Venture Capital News And The Best Stock For 2016 Is? http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/56e9a76c18e63276b25c6st03vuc ----__JWM__Jbf6eb92.53f10372S.516c72edM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
Hey,

Been a while as I've been on Facebook newsgroups = mainly these days.  Anyway, I thought some of you might dig the two= new ones on Silber with some looping going on.

Russian drone pop= album from Thorn1 - https://silbermedia.bandcamp.com/album/the-leave-of-= leaves

Instrumental surfgaze EP from Treyverb - https://silb= ermedia.bandcamp.com/album/a-year-without-words

Let me know = what you think.

hrt
Brian John Mitchell
www.silbermedia.com


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http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3132/= 56e9a76c18e63276b25c6st03vuc ----__JWM__Jbf6eb92.53f10372S.516c72edM-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 16 19:24:31 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9699AFF969; Wed, 16 Mar 2016 19:24:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=T6q0HZtUbSHxYRZqyBUItSQehRYIAJX56+cehqg+n2U=; b=nz4yYhvFHQaUPr8oH++PtxSFYT24zm+cP4aQfUnUTN/ESDFFte1vkHSUYegrH3jnWC e0uFcHtCi3bFdnZntJMAikuDt6bU3X/eLSea/lIF8YsMQNRQQuleOi6AOLwZjMH0Lnkf s3yp0MQi5ym0Qgv8Hv8Yw6JobCE7DMLjPKmoOv06i6yvn1lgH38mPC4JoiOZ8Y4XkUXy fnJzI/tKEWG4akm8evCSyT3MWIUjz1IN5sWY3PMggyyAycSTT/TqrOakTrFXTxg1bex+ //lVySbH4LV6cBH2JwyluWMCYIQ23GjxSRJub4SMtbeXNEqTAgSsoA3i9Lz2iV4dEuzg ZW0Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=T6q0HZtUbSHxYRZqyBUItSQehRYIAJX56+cehqg+n2U=; b=aqYXG5AQmF03brbety5hRbKYVGaZwYoYVHYg2TomNH7IR0qc9MNFlfLTCzUCoptoXL 0LR/IlRYWIi+OscNuvG7uRr5xcUhaWydFd8JgOmtUsErl/qjji7ea78hwKW9DTiTyC4U YtfjqJDJ2yCDYu4R3vrJHrsb+Jyx8Gq420JGBsrK0eU3EVhMO1SKOuLVAO63SFXQh2YI tDNIm7m2lSq3znWDKj70eFqAQWZvGQ9wMZHxQeiLPVGQnkiRpb0+7MZ1MKaMlvaBooCO ETbyCIpz3OY5d5LM3igfUdX56s4toGdCFIwhQGb3IMbhKkBrQD8ECnbJp5QgRnjOv1eZ Ap2A== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJK8qHoBeAn5rbJktNzBB7LvXvIRWpDAb3hUH1hzm1gTAOH9GKpbOtfrd80jipnlcKyLFIBf+KAt7dNPsA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.28.87.65 with SMTP id l62mr33138128wmb.102.1458156270212; Wed, 16 Mar 2016 12:24:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20160316.143405.4454.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> References: <20160316.143405.4454.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2016 15:24:30 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New Loop Driven Releases from Silber From: Bennett Williams To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1144201e8361be052e2f7661 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2016 19:24:31 +0000 (UTC) --001a1144201e8361be052e2f7661 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I dig it. On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 2:34 PM, qrd@juno.com wrote: > Hey, > > Been a while as I've been on Facebook newsgroups mainly these days. > Anyway, I thought some of you might dig the two new ones on Silber with > some looping going on. > > Russian drone pop album from Thorn1 - > https://silbermedia.bandcamp.com/album/the-leave-of-leaves > > Instrumental surfgaze EP from Treyverb - > https://silbermedia.bandcamp.com/album/a-year-without-words > > Let me know what you think. > > hrt > Brian John Mitchell > www.silbermedia.com > > > ____________________________________________________________ > *Venture Capital News* > And The Best Stock For 2016 Is? > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3132/56e9a76c18e63276b25c6st03vuc -- ________________________________________________________ *Bennett Williams* Radiologic Technologist, Artist, Musician, & Educator *http://www.linkedin.com/in/bennettwilliams * --001a1144201e8361be052e2f7661 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I dig it.

On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 2:34 PM, qrd@juno.com <qrd@juno.com> wrote:
Hey,

Been a while as I've been on Facebook= newsgroups mainly these days.=C2=A0 Anyway, I thought some of you might di= g the two new ones on Silber with some looping going on.

Russian dro= ne pop album from Thorn1 - https://silbermedia.bandcamp.com/a= lbum/the-leave-of-leaves

Instrumental surfgaze EP from Treyverb= - https://silbermedia.bandcamp.com/album/a-year-without-wor= ds

Let me know what you think.

hrt
Brian John Mitchel= l
www.silbermed= ia.com


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--001a1144201e8361be052e2f7661-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 21:56:40 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2625D133137; Fri, 18 Mar 2016 21:56:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=rLyJY1+hdxYfl8N0CwaJe6wtyHBwiDHkzuCbH4WyvO0=; b=KyJ0s1t3+qOHKMhiYD2kITNm+JmT1opUclym88UtG1k+CXBW8DYJdQmbtBLYIyRWET GggjsotpL8n7Clunf8t1ki6jSwQVQYGN3hM9t/8i7ZzOMlCTS4sYsIL6TM46djSNb+j7 l/dnU2A28Q4vAn5gJS6cgLfJmZftClymDlFQVRvADqpHizazNkeRq3b2XBY9/IIFtMTW N9wzJo1HC4Iu77lXx0MkzO8yVpuv4iQ/QusUXPZD482DrgMtHqZQFdwJMRbigkZjnmeA 0hMurbBDkuj3gcTgbYxb5PppMLAZRHvmTGFXj6QS5i5nyQAoYbVtt6gtKLaRjrpgxNk6 qFvA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=rLyJY1+hdxYfl8N0CwaJe6wtyHBwiDHkzuCbH4WyvO0=; b=LIB5HaX7zH03wAFLZmJWnWAehqHcWFEgZhuOhDSToD3zb7QElq4mRCpU8zSu4djDaB mW3sHCkw3osPsbew/9zg1f4gD8bc7Gvjmgt2+Lbpy54SlPiUygP+OuI3hcQPAaAmp6TB nFl2VKXCn5G9N1Zk1AtEPfd1lbyxIdtoHJ8NXkGgdk3A2xmM9gsKPYBBnnUZY1kskCng 26K8GjAAgDHHa0zsdYuPDRNkOMXN33Wvu0yxKCz7gR70yIDznsHZ8EM45GGwE+SO/bWR l4t45Gv+YmKe+WXbDnVuMR4DkmrQ38bwjjqv4Oy9gfkwmDugJc9YFGbvaa92Iy1drtdw zf4w== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJImL2xL6OjfI2U9vfWqyR/+W9QesL3S8clNtIfPr1gdmFBfKBvYi9/fXvBcfANZ6SF9RKABwdJuHtkg0A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.46.34 with SMTP id i34mr19945630ioo.67.1458338199602; Fri, 18 Mar 2016 14:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 14:56:39 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: OT: Space From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c17c6c598c6e052e59d241 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 21:56:40 +0000 (UTC) --001a11c17c6c598c6e052e59d241 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I was wondering if anyone had any tips on how to get more air/space in recordings happening in the computer. I use headphone to play most times and the resultant recordings always sound claustrophobic and way too dense. I've tried playing with EQ for each track and filters seem to help (though I can't spend that much time dialing those in while playing guitar) so I figured I'd ask if anyone had any tips or tricks to open things up. Hope that made sense, Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) --001a11c17c6c598c6e052e59d241 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was wondering if anyone had any tips on how to= get more air/space in recordings happening in the computer.=C2=A0 I use he= adphone to play most times and the resultant recordings always sound claust= rophobic and way too dense.=C2=A0 I've tried playing with EQ for each t= rack and filters seem to help (though I can't spend that much time dial= ing those in while playing guitar) so I figured I'd ask if anyone had a= ny tips or tricks to open things up.

Hope that made sense,
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Kevin

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- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

--001a11c17c6c598c6e052e59d241-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 19 00:11:21 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7192133134; Sat, 19 Mar 2016 00:11:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=dqqypdZfJk46933fzEIRyMkl+XNNqQN7fTs4E9ZQVus=; b=Mw3/REo1YNM0Mqkp8BjX3lTQfzDmoKrhq+PPAOrfmbfNj1kpbmXpuiEKjb2pAi4Ens bnf2Lms1yrqhlKSx7wu39MLhduAcLv+iXdDZmsXlebSnlL+5+EEUQiOrMHpKmDKzTx+b 9s5KUfHje8uSz3LWjLVtOD99Q+XExuMjizgv/WbE8bbN0lNIiM16muFgpaB+Xn1XuBk2 eoz7BSh6urprf60JaUDzQESV0qbphJEgevwEf/LuB7mhyVkDrSGqzz5pdKTfraaUgX+/ uETW1rqwV7veYEI7hXI9PnZ8t/Snr5k033BH7cFmZJCWAuSfghwmYp812zN4bjYhNgs7 yhOA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=dqqypdZfJk46933fzEIRyMkl+XNNqQN7fTs4E9ZQVus=; b=fBQiDwhhAScUuCAIW3yxiQFJYvUTD1lMVRO7WsWj6E1TLsWkzRRvkHlUcHqGfy6lOO LykN43XMQYnndVxsHGUwFWIXRLaybJw8/9AZZ+YISY1z92tWb2hMVGYncWnyJzDXHxRJ Z7ZDbwqP+N8dtM53sgf9eW4V0QUk0zqmX3RSpiVx0wQ9v/JmVkjyPTxY2j9OXXccd2OF jTWWYeEP4m9TFKrXyYIZfg1yA6QMcEeNegIWNlbv1EAiD7IVfk28HhtE1uyI7FI+XAMH JP0971qN4HHhldumLRcgCOApcIWFDkuKUtaf5qXfJd2/HX5lZ9B7Zdcb9O1b5RrE81gx r75g== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJLD9t5/AHD1Fag5KM4oQxLaryhOmCZtTatY+g9MiovcGVNPmCAozEb4XFpp6OsykvEUep4ZRsr7TplVnw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.81.197 with SMTP id c5mr11242440oby.7.1458346280946; Fri, 18 Mar 2016 17:11:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2016 01:11:20 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Space From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2016 00:11:21 +0000 (UTC) For sounds that are meant to be played either as part of an ensemble or layered in live looping, a good general rule of thumb is to take off some energy around 200 to 500 Hz, early on. Doing that to your instrument will make it sound rather thin, but it will help the Loop Police to hold off the Mud Mafia from infiltrating your recordings. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 10:56 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > I was wondering if anyone had any tips on how to get more air/space in > recordings happening in the computer. I use headphone to play most times > and the resultant recordings always sound claustrophobic and way too dense. > I've tried playing with EQ for each track and filters seem to help (though I > can't spend that much time dialing those in while playing guitar) so I > figured I'd ask if anyone had any tips or tricks to open things up. > > Hope that made sense, > > Kevin > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. 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Sat, 19 Mar 2016 03:06:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 757 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at arsenic; Sat, 19 Mar 2016 03:06:17 UTC From: Ed Durbrow Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_45EEC895-882A-4538-B75F-DAAFAEF2E73E" Message-Id: <2ADEEC5D-9ABC-4499-9C1F-D971A8728CE4@sea.plala.or.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: OT: Space Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2016 11:46:30 +0900 References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-VirusScan: Outbound; msa03m; Sat, 19 Mar 2016 11:46:31 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2016 03:06:18 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_45EEC895-882A-4538-B75F-DAAFAEF2E73E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Try listening on speakers. Reverberation will sound different. On Mar 19, 2016, at 6:56 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando = wrote: > I was wondering if anyone had any tips on how to get more air/space in = recordings happening in the computer. I use headphone to play most = times and the resultant recordings always sound claustrophobic and way = too dense. I've tried playing with EQ for each track and filters seem = to help (though I can't spend that much time dialing those in while = playing guitar) so I figured I'd ask if anyone had any tips or tricks to = open things up. >=20 > Hope that made sense, >=20 > Kevin >=20 > --=20 > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have = a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all = trouble. >=20 > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >=20 Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=3Dwatch https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ --Apple-Mail=_45EEC895-882A-4538-B75F-DAAFAEF2E73E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Try = listening on speakers. Reverberation will sound = different.

On Mar 19, 2016, at 6:56 AM, Kevin = Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com> = wrote:

I was wondering if anyone had = any tips on how to get more air/space in recordings happening in the = computer.  I use headphone to play most times and the resultant = recordings always sound claustrophobic and way too dense.  I've = tried playing with EQ for each track and filters seem to help (though I = can't spend that much time dialing those in while playing guitar) so I = figured I'd ask if anyone had any tips or tricks to open things = up.

Hope that made sense,

Kevin

--
Till now = you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. = That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all = trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)


http://www.y= outube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=3Dwatch




= --Apple-Mail=_45EEC895-882A-4538-B75F-DAAFAEF2E73E-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 19 06:49:57 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B119FF875; Sat, 19 Mar 2016 06:49:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=TI+2+vpDL+PNP9BY/1sA7J2WBieIBOBRMQX9sECG/5Q=; b=PJawa8rTJUSBXWKo/XoNasVHiemHS7US7oRLZejEkh+pS23A2aR/ehcI3t6EuJFC20 v7OPTF83CYOB+m5PvOpwywhFgUzmNg4lvfkwGBzgCvTl1aIGti8yN3Bzs2rcLAaGoYYH 2cvzFo8QNkWSU21tLCsABLzNZtul0eew4jzeFFHSa+Gfgfhy3KVUuyB4OI+q7qEpAz6O burKZDd+xLCrerqau47jEJVRHxLqTiiHmwTC+IZ+Iqq9B4W5uyu/L/E12KtwEwMz82To 5VTWf/PaiOYyjqaxqljaZM+N7QFN02+5ytfZ5JL7HTRb/lxU2NZz6FpVSITjjSYM/Ae9 UqqA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=TI+2+vpDL+PNP9BY/1sA7J2WBieIBOBRMQX9sECG/5Q=; b=PmODilQUkVzjw5bK6mm3IQxOVCxyyaFI4ramPdv6w6SofezrAElSaGVNuLUbU9oJrH b7FndMv5QlAmAeq/Kp/fxtOgmaZW/O/KeMDDhQ10kjLTWCLMvCxnI8G4upv29U6I1Vuz 1JPZzKkElNnBjfKKUcoLhGyVeLcmqh+aAfldYomPdhUz5YQDdf0adeBubilk13MpMsgM MeFyXOeNgSOEDWAWYyyssAt46EoYtygzjE2oLIc/rSWj8WCsj8RBvzVgQpyMkya7QTHz Akqi11jcuUTNBYYErhGT66qdb8LzZOwx1zRvtzPwhPCjyx7U3jy6lH8LJ2cFTlBPTor+ CkkA== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJIltguNWC91V1Rv4mR2DF26Ysa3ipVrAndcj92tsQUjYvIeD8lr3cLgiV0MEaZst79w2YwU7/Vh6VMm3A== X-Received: by 10.28.180.9 with SMTP id d9mr3042495wmf.62.1458370196375; Fri, 18 Mar 2016 23:49:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2ADEEC5D-9ABC-4499-9C1F-D971A8728CE4@sea.plala.or.jp> References: <2ADEEC5D-9ABC-4499-9C1F-D971A8728CE4@sea.plala.or.jp> From: Torben Scharling Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2016 07:49:17 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Space To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114b6d1e8195fe052e6145a7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2016 06:49:57 +0000 (UTC) --001a114b6d1e8195fe052e6145a7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I will add to be aware of mud..For instance you can put a frequency spectrum analyser on your master, or individual tracks, Reaper has it built in for free as a plugin for instance. and some EQ's have it built i, so it's easy to see what's happening, and what happens once you change the EQ settings..So, cut the instruments that don't need the bottom, just to leave space for the bass and kick etc..same goes with mid tones and top. I'ts interesting feeding a noise type of signal and sweep through the frequencies to first of all figure out how your cans or speakers fair. Chances are your room isn't treated optimally, or your speakers can't handle the whole frequency spectrum in a linear (to your ears/mind) fashion..That's why it helps checking with the tools you have available, like an engineer, and then going in and cutting and boosting where aplicable. Another important thing is compression, parallell, multiband, and limiting..That can help a lot to get the mix you want. Looped or not.. At the end of the day, without a sound guy doing the riding, and if you don't have exp pedals for managing each individual volume, you'll have to rely on your own dynamic handling capablilites. And also there are auto-rider type plugins, though I dunno how much better that would be than setting your comp and limiter settings..Also lastly, learn about gain staging, and setup your chain properly, and lastly, make a headphone mix for YOU, and a master mix for the room, cause playing live you'd want to have your current instrument louder than the loops and once the loop is recorded, you'd want the next thing you play live to be louder than the loops, so you kinda need two mixes with separate outputs, headphone or not...These are also on my own "to do" list :) On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 3:46 AM, Ed Durbrow wrote: > Try listening on speakers. Reverberation will sound different. > > On Mar 19, 2016, at 6:56 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando > wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone had any tips on how to get more air/space in > recordings happening in the computer. I use headphone to play most times > and the resultant recordings always sound claustrophobic and way too > dense. I've tried playing with EQ for each track and filters seem to help > (though I can't spend that much time dialing those in while playing guitar) > so I figured I'd ask if anyone had any tips or tricks to open things up. > > Hope that made sense, > > Kevin > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > > Ed Durbrow > Saitama, Japan > http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch > https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow > http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ > > > > > -- Torben Scharling --001a114b6d1e8195fe052e6145a7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I will add to be aware of mud..For instance you can put a = frequency spectrum analyser on your master, or individual tracks,=C2=A0Reap= er has it built in for free as a plugin for instance.=C2=A0and some EQ'= s have it built i, so it's easy to see what's happening, and what h= appens once you change the EQ settings..So, cut the instruments that don= 9;t need the bottom, just to leave space for the bass and kick etc..same go= es with mid tones and top. I'ts interesting feeding a noise type of sig= nal and sweep through the frequencies to first of all figure out how your c= ans or speakers fair.=C2=A0

Chances are your room isn= 9;t treated optimally, or your speakers can't handle the whole frequenc= y spectrum in a linear (to your ears/mind) fashion..That's why it helps= checking with the tools you have available, like an engineer, and then goi= ng in and cutting and boosting where aplicable.

An= other important thing is compression, parallell, multiband, and limiting..T= hat can help a lot to get the mix you want. Looped or not.. At the end of t= he day, without a sound guy doing the riding, and if you don't have exp= pedals for managing each individual volume, you'll have to rely on you= r own dynamic handling capablilites. And also there are auto-rider type plu= gins, though I dunno how much better that would be than setting your comp a= nd limiter settings..Also lastly, learn about gain staging, and setup your = chain properly, and lastly, make a headphone mix for YOU, and a master mix = for the room, cause playing live you'd want to have your current instru= ment louder than the loops and once the loop is recorded, you'd want th= e next thing you play live to be louder than the loops, so you kinda need t= wo mixes with separate outputs, headphone or not...These are also on my own= "to do" list :)



On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at = 3:46 AM, Ed Durbrow <edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp> wrote:=
Try = listening on speakers. Reverberation will sound different.

On Mar 19, 2016, at 6:56 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando &= lt;billowhead@gma= il.com> wrote:

<= div>
I was wondering if anyone had any tips on how to get more air/spac= e in recordings happening in the computer.=C2=A0 I use headphone to play mo= st times and the resultant recordings always sound claustrophobic and way t= oo dense.=C2=A0 I've tried playing with EQ for each track and filters s= eem to help (though I can't spend that much time dialing those in while= playing guitar) so I figured I'd ask if anyone had any tips or tricks = to open things up.

Hope that made sense,

Kevin

--
Till now you seriously considered yours= elf to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance whic= h is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)





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--001a114b6d1e8195fe052e6145a7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 19 12:25:50 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 875B5133136; Sat, 19 Mar 2016 12:25:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kliklak.net ; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date: In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; bh=WYwYSJ4uH238ehb8J3I/4txuLAD9Zqx45vFLnLro57U=; b=f5B3VQNqx0Qspan5g56ZjrlRLr 5Q+LcpzWcIvkHaqwXnyM0nztny9QlRxU0na/DpuzHI/3JItVf/5uwQP0ith91Qcolou5Yx3LLOHK+ A7ugbXZjfPhAcoBvLdfSvOy2aeDP14/0d3lP+bEhdMpSPHOFgCzqabEOO2n8J37P6NiIbVAJqSLlz c5mnrBeo4DmkY8StdefLqeO1l6S5Oj26kN/z9lkMVA6Xu0qQP18t+zuw0GzlXY97KPeJBpPmAGoBL TCcmDdg6/KbWu9AaO/o/TmFJJTsXRBxmwZaoi6Ao3fcOuMmGq/JcGdd2NtYzpzp6MXqQQuJ0uxdGd vHLJtBug==; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Subject: Re: OT: Space From: jrploopers In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2016 13:25:45 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - elpaso.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: elpaso.hostforweb.net: authenticated_id: jrploopers@kliklak.net X-Authenticated-Sender: elpaso.hostforweb.net: jrploopers@kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2016 12:25:50 +0000 (UTC) What does the music sound like, when you recorded it?=20 Use an analyzer to find out which frequencies (likely between 150Hz and = 600 Hz) are overdosing in your recording and try taking them out mildly = already during recording using analog gear, such as an MXR 108 EQ or so.=20= Avoid strong compression.=20 Make sure to record in 24bit / 88.2 and using lower recording levels = (-10dB).=20 Avoid clipping your hopefully decent converters (RME, Apogee and alike).=20= Have a sound example? jayrope --- www.kliklak.net/jayrope/ www.aircushionfinish.com www.soundcloud.com/jayrope www.ello.co/jayrope On Mar 18, 2016, at 10:56 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > I was wondering if anyone had any tips on how to get more air/space in = recordings happening in the computer. I use headphone to play most = times and the resultant recordings always sound claustrophobic and way = too dense. I've tried playing with EQ for each track and filters seem = to help (though I can't spend that much time dialing those in while = playing guitar) so I figured I'd ask if anyone had any tips or tricks to = open things up. >=20 > Hope that made sense, >=20 > Kevin >=20 > --=20 > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have = a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all = trouble. >=20 > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 19 13:14:55 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00A28133132; Sat, 19 Mar 2016 13:14:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1458393294; bh=s4Y44fqH5OPAVcbSoXbFjGdNovCH+p/2vyemffUK5Y0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:References:From:Subject; b=nmMKLjKTKijqueeE92fGL0JFMjYAw5hvZncp36pXLOcLtTK621eyCzF95LWFMfd/9uWAz27I7CSRB3Sxsd7sgST946LZFAyLAyPQesFBbkh2S3IabAyrE8nxbuWD11fFRmj2chFrQyLD+LUfFkMrBuO+fF3wQ8P1g2K/T5L+f6nJ5GxD5SfLUK1X0PUvFutUe+Qu+MWbnLLNlhIgWgKip9c8p2lL7Ei2HvF8gAHDqFKkYslbcLk0hUYwOiodDK4PUB8a2gLEiNQPqGpbsbu3TJ+Ln/L95SHOt/6BT5Ho0v+/4HxfccwbYZFpQqRw5aoD598bWEG+LK7LsUCLmtthqg== X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 558498.33127.bm@omp1017.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: SxZ9KWIVM1mgRQbjILTQ3ECuGjC9mEYu8eep_RbEDfU5EPazxVyVr5NIEEI9FeD y4oMQtgsMDjVlTihVS_xQSG3WuqR3iHzmMGz6gn1hXW381hwalra8QUSyA5yTfS13QAFGyzayo0e Ng7pXvcz89rurKx8mGPSlFcFVYpw3Gwq1WnhBR0B6Bsyc4vUw3C6_ysrM.5lfX4V8icTaA6KZPp. WQP3JWZR_Ytpd6AJO74nRoGXCZzavhOIPPBSuaFT0HowVTcsPo9zLNN3lrHecQMg.inn5PyEB5p7 _UriBAaPu9QUcgRj4McpyvdAjyAP6Cs86EOx5_vH9LE6CbNKjEenxEDyukzOOCKu6Q_a10JmOLQt X.k4eQww9Vem.sQxDjwpTRmmMajAvDyYiUk0iPlPAa2FrMARXVHgMSFAq5lasxH81Y78ccXL5ahN 6rXknSc0fnGyg.GJOnbcmSUCMPazOci49Cg1rwQKBkeTTcND3bjephuDR6WkN8l2G3Xn2jZAAd.x Wfse5GB1N Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2016 13:14:53 +0000 (UTC) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig To: Message-ID: <181390717.1422491.1458393293607.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: OT: Space MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <181390717.1422491.1458393293607.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2016 13:14:54 +0000 (UTC) Sparkling highs, BBE maximization and, most important, delayed reverb. Most= tempos sound best with around 120 milliseconds of delay on a 3 to 4 second= reverb with a lot of high frequency damping in the tail. A few early refle= ctions help. Always use "Hall" reverb type. -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 3/18/16, Torben Scharling wrote: Subject: Re: OT: Space To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Friday, March 18, 2016, 11:49 PM =20 I will add to be aware of mud..For instance you can put a frequency spectrum analyser on your master, or individual tracks,=C2=A0Reaper has it built in for free as a plugin for instance.=C2=A0and some EQ's have it built i, so it's easy to see what's happening, and what happens once you change the EQ settings..So, cut the instruments that don't need the bottom, just to leave space for the bass and kick etc..same goes with mid tones and top. I'ts interesting feeding a noise type of signal and sweep through the frequencies to first of all figure out how your cans or speakers fair.=C2=A0 Chances are your room isn't treated optimally, or your speakers can't handle the whole frequency spectrum in a linear (to your ears/mind) fashion..That's why it helps checking with the tools you have available, like an engineer, and then going in and cutting and boosting where aplicable. Another important thing is compression, parallell, multiband, and limiting..That can help a lot to get the mix you want. Looped or not.. At the end of the day, without a sound guy doing the riding, and if you don't have exp pedals for managing each individual volume, you'll have to rely on your own dynamic handling capablilites. And also there are auto-rider type plugins, though I dunno how much better that would be than setting your comp and limiter settings..Also lastly, learn about gain staging, and setup your chain properly, and lastly, make a headphone mix for YOU, and a master mix for the room, cause playing live you'd want to have your current instrument louder than the loops and once the loop is recorded, you'd want the next thing you play live to be louder than the loops, so you kinda need two mixes with separate outputs, headphone or not...These are also on my own "to do" list :) =20 =20 On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 3:46 AM, Ed Durbrow wrote: Try listening on speakers. Reverberation will sound different. On Mar 19, 2016, at 6:56 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: I was wondering if anyone had any tips on how to get more air/space in recordings happening in the computer.=C2=A0 I use headphone to play most times and the resultant recordings always sound claustrophobic and way too dense.=C2=A0 I've tried playing with EQ for each track and filters seem to help (though I can't spend that much time dialing those in while playing guitar) so I figured I'd ask if anyone had any tips or tricks to open things up. =20 Hope that made sense, =20 Kevin =20 --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. =20 - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Ed DurbrowSaitama, Japanhttp://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=3Dwatchh= ttps://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrowhttp://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 -- =20 Torben Scharling =20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 03:11:49 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35FB8133136; Fri, 25 Mar 2016 03:11:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1458875508; bh=ZJ/Zt5oDekprFWI1M53jJKsb/uPyaLVSE+B98G7HJqc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:References:From:Subject; b=ejH1sbxCEfkMPWUkDsBTFupHhnwin432ruePOrWLxrO9r7eOPlUiVQADTHsxEuo6fFqTIrz1k6yzJ5bI5fPAYsu30/N6QiW8aYUPEvMKsXkRAW29fNyLfAyfejI+bn948fUCW3hdixPeANkrUO0OFk6o9YCl0Z/6GxF3aSw8FTO2BXAfSyT2hLn01KTNIUURwzQHkkUciljBjJtUj4pfjD3mgTKvDjeTS8BnCLVKu+LKR3tK/AShR4V/wVsytUAd66xovUPzRAKQW+ffzc0uMuiRPfmqiaFT7IyV+LB9uLvSVc/oWfDv4AbE9yZ8ynmXhSMvWT8KKd24qof8CBnSow== X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-4 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 599746.21989.bm@omp1059.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: 7Yj01T8VM1lxVAQ8yFX49feNqyGhCZDRE.TX2xuDNEaYiZZ7upzNFkRBThQyizS fO8A0eMqWOQwtn60SpW3IXBju8k0tQP4I9S8lHvgeGcG3KjlvzNyzP1GnXztf5.iJz7VqYrbadL1 3sN38VxdKpJo070A3BsPc39.nIHI.kMS1CiY.1.eo0_GOqDehWjzPBHFFwWfZqNahu5iyOx8XnvO X0AewM5BzaVb5MT3rvqZF5V.pYtuXiW_rJvhO4NeILUmSBvpwBbHkNBDI.UiDIkTq2IDV249D6s2 FiFJBu2QFE142VQhcmPdvlAaUUWUbl5b.6IotqAUvGiOrGlOY12lH.RjdVuJSsIco7mQvGTjxlqc Ugiy94LXhNTVTfX738e8KW6FLjPqow97oFHLtKZ1dljivB332rodElLDD3gQiSUcaqpIBf4bhO9W btQ9mF.YSKKqiHoMNdP4S7M8ut71kH7JhvAEtm2J9Rptz_McJaSIARUsEMYNRhmYjBoeDWgr9XV6 rC8l6ofoPMDPwADCocUklq0fY1w-- Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2016 03:08:44 +0000 (UTC) From: david kirkdorffer Reply-To: david kirkdorffer To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: <1259760743.5067038.1458875324735.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Subject: UNDO - 09.09.09 Loopers-Delight Comp CD IV MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5067037_2059116721.1458875324732" References: <1259760743.5067038.1458875324735.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2016 03:11:49 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5067037_2059116721.1458875324732 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi -=C2=A0 I hope everyone is doing well in these turbulent and unsettling times.=C2= =A0Remember when we were kids, and "The News" was kind of boring TV so we'd= go off and play?=C2=A0Not a bad solution then, and not a bad solution now,= either. :) I just uploaded a few tracks to my soundcloud page, including 09.09.09, whi= ch has only ever been available from the Loopers-Delight Compilation CD, Vo= lume IV. https://soundcloud.com/undomusic/090909a=C2=A0 All my soundcloud tracks are available to download, so please feel free to = enjoy.=C2=A0 I must to say, I still really do enjoy the LD CD IV.=C2=A0It's very listena= ble as a complete experience.=C2=A0It was an honour to pull it together for= the LD team. Thank you all for your kind and generous ears. And may love always find a place in your heart. David ------=_Part_5067037_2059116721.1458875324732 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi - 

I hope everyone is doing well in these turbulent and unsettling = times. 
Remember when we were kids, and "The News" was kind of boring TV so we'= d go off and play? 
Not a bad solution then, and not a bad solution now, either= . :)
=
I ju= st uploaded a few tracks to my soundcloud page, including 09.09.09, which has only ever been availa= ble from the Loopers-Delight Compilation CD, Volume IV.


All my soundcloud tracks are available to download, so please feel= free to enjoy. 

I must to say, I still really do enjoy the LD CD IV. 
It's very listen= able as a complete experience. 
It was an honour to pull it together for the LD= team.
Thank = you all for your kind and generous ears.

And may love always find a place in your heart.=

David
<= /div> ------=_Part_5067037_2059116721.1458875324732-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 03:40:37 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63082133131; Fri, 25 Mar 2016 03:40:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc; bh=Ksi1nVGXRQElHQ84Bbphwrg20kG26K1FVddnTSiIQUY=; b=GCnygjcHd/bJpcl79p8tYqtl6V+rCp4CPFfd56Zyq0/02cFsnY4FPIf6YDGDuraomm +QqLEWJ6p0Vlf6q7yCDv/GMjGa2PsU0bPYeN+hf2X9MkN+l6oaR9QnbQoWR7C16zCVOy a1QhD75LDCk9pYG+iJUI/PGkTjeEqnftscHXiz+WOwFG4HwGAivwGSuOCfJkJXRTwmLf b3SeXRZ2k4MNQIhM7Ir3+iEeosQqEVSfQ3Z92YuzfCqUD4cELWQyemy/G2t0gVoTN6yD r+WuEUgzinkNMojHtGvCGG2HJ1MsyKILNegt6KbtPwqzj8iR8/yirv28XTrnBeO2kkP8 +7cA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=Ksi1nVGXRQElHQ84Bbphwrg20kG26K1FVddnTSiIQUY=; b=gVM2tIx6Og57ScNkc2GgKSJkqrEtWn1UnJdbtsWiXawtRRTVMfRoHrQwAdsOVEiOmS ERD3Nux0JbXALV4HYLvA/MRPhCQuHLTK8c58oCIFntyGMSc9DGWgrbckWOZ3X2tYUnFX R567DbUYMJTgIcJVUg/ms99DUYepXh7Bn9zjX4QFuFa81brywQudjgc4wvISDFcBQLqu FekNRc4zbDtOluC08djqfP+LjNBCLJrwu2iY18yfaGfjjDx7r6edNo8kPpcnTsh/n15P /Ni9On0l7qq6FseMqNp+u/aG2ckvVIIznUPcuYpwNojWtofLUatasBlTeI32ktcrKccm 61zg== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJIZ8cICJaZJc2k7GnKZsLunrJyQRBLF1Q/EwxUAP7PutLOnEjbIg4dhLVbwfJTDTzxY0zX74T19WlRyaQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.202.218.133 with SMTP id r127mr5877378oig.36.1458877236769; Thu, 24 Mar 2016 20:40:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1259760743.5067038.1458875324735.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1259760743.5067038.1458875324735.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1259760743.5067038.1458875324735.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2016 20:40:36 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: UNDO - 09.09.09 Loopers-Delight Comp CD IV From: Art Simon To: david kirkdorffer Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113d44e677fc8f052ed7531e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2016 03:40:37 +0000 (UTC) --001a113d44e677fc8f052ed7531e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I hadn't heard this one before. More than "listenable," "damn good." thanks! On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 8:08 PM, david kirkdorffer wrote: > Hi - > > I hope everyone is doing well in these turbulent and unsettling times. > Remember when we were kids, and "The News" was kind of boring TV so we'd > go off and play? > Not a bad solution then, and not a bad solution now, either. :) > > I just uploaded a few tracks to my soundcloud page, including *09.09.09*, > which has only ever been available from the Loopers-Delight Compilation CD, > Volume IV. > > > *https://soundcloud.com/undomusic/090909a > * > > All my soundcloud tracks are available to download, so please feel free to > enjoy. > > I must to say, I still really do enjoy the LD CD IV. > It's very listenable as a complete experience. > It was an honour to pull it together for the LD team. > > Thank you all for your kind and generous ears. > > And may love always find a place in your heart. > > David > -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com --001a113d44e677fc8f052ed7531e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I hadn't heard this one before. More than "listen= able," "damn good." thanks!
=
On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 8:08 PM, david kirkd= orffer <unstrungone@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi -=C2=A0

I hope everyone is doing well in these turbulent and unse= ttling times.=C2=A0
Remember when we were kids, and &= quot;The News" was kind of boring TV so we'd go off and play?=C2= =A0
Not a bad solution then, and not a bad solution n= ow, either. :)

I just = uploaded a few tracks to my soundcloud page, including 09.09.09, whi= ch has only ever been available from the Loopers-Delight Compilation CD, Vo= lume IV.


All my soundcloud tracks are available to download, so pleas= e feel free to enjoy.=C2=A0

I must to say, I still really do enjoy the LD CD IV.=C2=A0
It's very listenable as a complete experience.=C2=A0
It was an honour to pull it together for the LD team.

Thank you all for your kind and ge= nerous ears.

And may love = always find a place in your heart.

David
=



= --
--001a113d44e677fc8f052ed7531e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 03:49:16 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3119D133137; Fri, 25 Mar 2016 03:49:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 779 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at arsenic; Fri, 25 Mar 2016 03:49:15 UTC Subject: PERCEPTION of REVERB in MIXING was OT: Space To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20160325031149.6D4EA133137@arsenic.violacea.com> From: Rick Walker Message-ID: <56F4B559.8040009@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2016 20:49:45 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160325031149.6D4EA133137@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2016 03:49:16 +0000 (UTC) Kevin wrote: > I use headphone to play most times > >and the resultant recordings always sound claustrophobic and way too dense. Why this happens is because we experience what recording engineers call "cross talk" when we are listening to reverberation (or anything, really) in a stereo mix. In other words, your left ear hears a bit of the reverb from the right channel that crosses your face and vice versa. This amplifies the effect of reverbs a bit. When you listen on headphones, you get none of that 'cross talk' and consequently, you do not get an accurate understanding of what your recording sounds like. For me a good rule of thumb is that I like to track with phones...........I like to solo instruments with phones to listen, carefully to their 'timbre' in the mix and I especially like to check in on the volume of subsonic sounds using accurate professional headphones that go down to the very bottom of human hearing (which many near and mid-field recording speakers don't do) but I ALWAYS do final mixes with good near field monitors (which, wonderfully have become cheaper and cheaper for home studio owners). Personally, I never use subwoofers in mixing because I find that most of them tend to over exaggerate and, thus give an inaccurate picture of the saturation of the lowest frequencies. A lot of dance producers would probably highly disagree with me here, but I hear a ton of dance mixes in clubs that are very poorly mixed for the environment because the club owners have no understanding of just how loud and deep their subs should be Then, at the end of the process, I try to find several diverse listening environments from good to bad home stereos to good to bad boomboxes to good to bad car stereos. After doing this a lot, I've learned to just know what a mix on my own near field monitors will sound like on several systems and try to get a good cross section of mixes that will sound the best on the most systems. Finally, at the end, you can always play this game I learned from Brian Eno when you think your mix is too dense and claustrophobic. Take out a single element in the mix..........and then another........see how far you can go before it doesn't start sounding like music. Then, and only then, do you gently add things back in , one by one. Most mud comes from overwriting, from my experience working with pop bands as a producer. Lastly be aware of Rhythmic, Timbral, Harmonic or Dynamic Masking in your arrangements. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 03:59:11 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1620E133131; Fri, 25 Mar 2016 03:59:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1458878349; bh=lldKFY53+dsEuu2h/Kl2WIaS8lf9H0PQ9mfn0/flZac=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=MokF23dlcL+MF7B3M9G35THqJHdlA8qAIH3R70slj1lWShtOOebv+VhDDx3iZRcY4e8fCt5ofv9/9kKZp2/QQ92ETthsK9JFdV8nBoaYe7HkYqtjHKwYCF2H2cf/+MfiDZPrnbx5c+zwt9I+IZq9tOZYgtbSKjq1IVOboufsYrhaKNL6m3Q94eeMiCTpVaA7LWoCEBZai7qyw/Ub5MN+QXxSx4yP+KmyOhySIBETXildhGaEt2Zi+PUTUJK1aOWc88sVwegXrpP71JrHrsMiQO2Jjl/Aw9oc/ZedVSfQHHbXCyJAxeGTkQ7pnjFvdtK+MMWGTkKPPFGwxf/e/gqWcQ== X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-4 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 351358.12304.bm@omp1038.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: K.ipn70VM1m0Vtb_BXYX3d6wUEb7Y.iqJYTe2aoEfB8FYc6csryESOBlfbqiYl. BcXjpyUATR7N2XK4rZh5.gfiBgbhrOkzpFyDOgd7dtbAOPM0xe9.khpIt8mLWEvSdIM5SicNNDTD iZxlL0XHILKk73l.Y43YSKAcR4V6tThQtUlmV5ywOI5pGkaRObUYNYwBNFw9YLRpvci8xkqeimhR XA2CDz7BgLjpAN95zcJd5ax0T4kyZZmtQqQLRDQ5suyXMdRpYnM_rFgjp1.6tVtrpcZwCj7zNrx7 x.bpEAtIM_zotNIB3SxtbkUSW8RgozfXRYUf9zTMFoPB8lKdw1xHlePvNd21UoVwMcH3jpgSUE7M tKBZbhBt4lBlCqIa.s6Xf_Y_9S_qRxpuPT14VtCm9xmFZ0lVnadY1B4xfm5eoclV71ckr8AWycFa 7VorqNz3uH.UEbieb9GTCZi7wQcDGJdqRWCq3MlubMbaqK6oX5ulxmwxCHP83oY6q2S243SBZjVG Hc1sSP.6b2dhIlXBrR8dWZdEsvyDAegmu Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2016 03:56:15 +0000 (UTC) From: david kirkdorffer Reply-To: david kirkdorffer To: Art Simon Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: <954813940.5088131.1458878175512.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: UNDO - 09.09.09 Loopers-Delight Comp CD IV MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5088130_1676257258.1458878175501" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2016 03:59:11 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5088130_1676257258.1458878175501 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Art -=C2=A0 Thank you! =C2=A0 I wonder if all the other contributing-conspirators to that CD Compilation = also have soundcloud, or similar, pages...Maybe we can create a virtual pla= ylist with links to each of the tracks? For the google-happy, perhaps searching for these titles... Looper-Delight Compilation CD - Volume IV 01. Music for Toy Music Box... Rick Walker's Loop Pool02. date of Birth - B= illy Thompson03. Magnetic Domain Nahual - Uccello Project04. Moonrise, Eart= h Sertting - Edward Yuhas05. 090909 - UNDO06. PolymetricCounterpoint #1 - F= abio Anile07. Kompressor Long - Antony Hequet08. Courts - Dustbunnies09. Su= ccubae - Dreamchild10. French River Flight - Paul Haslem11. Heavens Above -= Kayla Kavanaugh12. Flux Aeterna - Ted Killian13. Wickard of Ock - XISTH bu= siness solutions14. Shoegazer -=C2=A0XISTH business solutions15 Brambellson= ic - XISTH business solutions :) It was a bit of work to get it together, but this is a very happy memory. =20 From: Art Simon To: david kirkdorffer =20 Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 11:40 PM Subject: Re: UNDO - 09.09.09 Loopers-Delight Comp CD IV =20 I hadn't heard this one before. More than "listenable," "damn good." thanks= ! On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 8:08 PM, david kirkdorffer = wrote: Hi -=C2=A0 I hope everyone is doing well in these turbulent and unsettling times.=C2= =A0Remember when we were kids, and "The News" was kind of boring TV so we'd= go off and play?=C2=A0Not a bad solution then, and not a bad solution now,= either. :) I just uploaded a few tracks to my soundcloud page, including 09.09.09, whi= ch has only ever been available from the Loopers-Delight Compilation CD, Vo= lume IV. https://soundcloud.com/undomusic/090909a=C2=A0 All my soundcloud tracks are available to download, so please feel free to = enjoy.=C2=A0 I must to say, I still really do enjoy the LD CD IV.=C2=A0It's very listena= ble as a complete experience.=C2=A0It was an honour to pull it together for= the LD team. Thank you all for your kind and generous ears. And may love always find a place in your heart. David --=20 Art Simon simart@gmail.com =20 ------=_Part_5088130_1676257258.1458878175501 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Art - 

=
Thank you!  

I wonder if all the other contributing-c= onspirators to that CD Compilation also have soundcloud, or similar, pages.= ..Maybe we can create a virtual playlist with links to each of the tracks?<= /span>

For the google-happy, perhaps searching= for these titles...

Looper-Delight Com= pilation CD - Volume IV

01.= Music for Toy Music Box... Rick Walker's Loop Pool
02. date of Birth - Billy Thompson
<= div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym18_1_1458874335720_47659" dir=3D"ltr">03. Magn= etic Domain Nahual - Uccello Project
04. Moonrise, Earth Sertting - Edward Yuhas
05. 090909 - U= NDO
06. PolymetricCounterpoint #1 - Fabio Anile
07. Kompressor Lo= ng - Antony Hequet
08. Courts - Dustbunnies
09. Succubae - Dreamc= hild
10. French River Flight - Paul Haslem
11. Heavens Above - Ka= yla Kavanaugh
12. Flux Aeterna - Ted Killian
13. Wickard of Ock -= XISTH business solutions
14. Shoegazer - XISTH business s= olutions
15 Brambellsonic - XISTH business solutions

:)

It was a bit of work to get it together, but this is a very happy memo= ry.



From: Art Simon <simart@gmail.com>
To: david kirkdorffer <unstrungone@ya= hoo.com>
Cc: "Loope= rs-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>=
Sent: Thursday, March= 24, 2016 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: UNDO - 09.09.09 Loopers-Delight Comp CD IV
I hadn't heard this one before. More than "listenable,"= "damn good." thanks!

On Thu, Mar 2= 4, 2016 at 8:08 PM, david kirkdorffer <unstrungone@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi - 

I hope everyone is doing well in these turbulent and unsettling ti= mes. 
Remember when we were kids, and "The News"= was kind of boring TV so we'd go off and play? 
Not a bad solution then, and not a bad solution now, either. :)

= I just uploaded a few tracks to my soundcloud page, including 09.09.09, which has only ever been available from the Loopers-Delight Compilation= CD, Volume IV.


All my soundcloud tracks are available to download,= so please feel free to enjoy. 

I mu= st to say, I still really do enjoy the LD CD IV. 
It's very listenable as a co= mplete experience. 
It was an honour to pull it together for the LD team.

Thank you all f= or your kind and generous ears.

And may love always find a place in your heart.
<= span class=3D"yiv4558407503HOEnZb">
David
<= /div>


--


------=_Part_5088130_1676257258.1458878175501-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 04:04:09 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A879133133; Fri, 25 Mar 2016 04:04:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1672 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at arsenic; Fri, 25 Mar 2016 04:04:08 UTC Subject: Re: OT: Space To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com References: <20160325031149.6D4EA133137@arsenic.violacea.com> From: Rick Walker Message-ID: <56F4B24D.9060309@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2016 20:36:45 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160325031149.6D4EA133137@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060803040109000107040800" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2016 04:04:09 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060803040109000107040800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To amplify what everyone is telling you about avoiding mud: Human beings have a phenomenon called 'masking' or 'timbral masking' where if we here something in the exact same frequency spectrum we will actually only really 'hear' the loudest of the two sounds. This phenomenon most notably in two spectra: bass and lo mid (which includes basses, bass drums, dark ambient pads, etc.) and in the intelligibity ranges (the ranges that perceive the consonants in human speech which includes. Here's an effective way to teach yourself how this works on a visceral level. Whisper something that is barely but definitely audible to another person in a room and then, while talking, play a pair of hi hats quietly so that they 'mush' together to make a noise source. Make sure the hi hats are slightly louder in volume than your listening. The person listening to you, will probably still be able to tell that you are speaking (because there are deeper frequencies in the human voice than just the intelligibility frequencies of the consonants) but they will be completely unable to hear what you are saying. I love showing my drumming students this effect and make it humorous by just saying truly absurd things when they are unable to hear because of the 'masking' frequencies of the hi hats and then repeating to them what I just have said while their brains were unable to hear what I was saying. Amazingly, we don't even get what's being said subliminally, despite the claims of many subliminal weight loss recordings that are out there. These "masking' problems cause distinctly different kinds of problems in recording and mixing. In the bass and lo midranges the sine waves of the fundamental pitch of your sounds are so large that we don't perceive them in stereo (are ears are just too close together to delineate the deep waves. Consequently, 'masking' in the bass and low bass is particularly difficult because you can't use stereoscopic positioning to eliminate the problem. Back in the analog days of recording we used to use a trick called 'Zipper EQ' (as taught to me by Sandy Stone who engineered Hendrix) when encountering bass 'mud' in a mix, where we would put a bass guitar or bass synth sound through one channel (mono) of a stereo graphic equalizer and the 'masked' bass drum into the other channel (mono). Then we would boost the frequencies like this up to about 500 hz. 30hz 60hz 120hz 250hz 500hz BASS GUITAR/SYNTH +3db -3db +3db -3db +3db and set the other side of the graphic to the exact opposite: 30hz 60hz 120hz 250hz 500hz BASS DRUM -3db +3db - 3db +3db -3db When you looked at the EQ it looked like a zipper. Interestingly, if you solo-ed the channels, each one would sound weird and rather wimpy, but if you summed them in MONO they sounded really full and you could hear each one really distinctly. It's cool because it's entirely a psycho-acoustic effect. No other creature would hear it this way. With midrange frequencies which are highly directional and, hence, wonderful for putting into a very strong stereo effect, You can merely pan two offending tracks widely in the stereo field and be able to hear both simultaneously. Now, of course this phenomenon of Masking can exist in both Dynamics, Rhythm, Melody and Harmony so you have to be careful that your tracks are not only not masking each other in the sonic spectrum but in these other ways as well. I've found that a really good rule of thumb is to use only one, or perhaps two, levels of complexity in a mix: Timbral complexity, Rhythmic complexity, Dynamic complexity, Melodic and Harmonic complexity. The simplicity of all the other categories will effectively 'frame' the complexity that you want people to pay attention to. In this way, you call the listeners' attention to the parts of your piece that you really want them to listen to. Anyway, I hope this helps. Rick Walker > Kevin Cheli-Colando > wrote: > >> I was wondering if anyone had any tips on how to get more air/space >> in recordings happening in the computer. I use headphone to play most >> times and the resultant recordings always sound claustrophobic and >> way too dense. I've tried playing with EQ for each track and filters >> seem to help (though I can't spend that much time dialing those in >> while playing guitar) so I figured I'd ask if anyone had any tips or >> tricks to open things up. --------------060803040109000107040800 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
To amplify what everyone is telling you about avoiding mud:

Human beings have a phenomenon called 'masking'  or 'timbral masking' where if we here something in the exact same frequency spectrum we will actually only
really 'hear' the loudest of the two sounds.       This phenomenon most notably  in two spectra:     bass and lo mid (which includes basses, bass drums, dark ambient pads, etc.)    
and in the intelligibity ranges (the ranges that perceive  the consonants in human speech which includes.

Here's an effective way to teach yourself how this works on a visceral level.    Whisper something that is barely but definitely audible to another person in a room
and then, while talking,  play a pair of hi hats quietly so that they 'mush' together to make a noise source.     Make sure the hi hats are slightly louder in volume than your listening.
The person listening to you, will probably still be able to tell that you are speaking (because there are deeper frequencies in the human voice than just the intelligibility frequencies
of the consonants) but they will be completely unable to hear what you are saying.     I love showing my drumming students this effect and
make it humorous by just saying truly absurd things when they are unable to hear because of the 'masking' frequencies of the hi hats and then repeating to them what I just
have said while their brains were unable to hear what I was saying.    Amazingly,  we don't even get what's being said subliminally, despite the claims of many subliminal
weight loss recordings that are out there.

These "masking' problems cause distinctly different kinds of problems in recording and mixing.

In the bass and lo midranges the sine waves of the fundamental pitch of your sounds are so large that we don't perceive them in stereo (are ears are just too close together
to delineate the deep waves.   Consequently,  'masking' in the bass and low bass is particularly difficult because you can't use stereoscopic positioning to eliminate the problem.

Back in the analog days of recording we used to use a trick called 'Zipper EQ' (as taught to me by Sandy Stone who engineered Hendrix)
when encountering bass 'mud' in a mix,   where we would put a bass guitar or bass synth
sound through one channel (mono) of a stereo graphic equalizer and the 'masked'  bass drum into the other channel (mono).
Then we would boost the frequencies like this up to about 500 hz.

30hz       60hz     120hz     250hz     500hz                       BASS GUITAR/SYNTH
+3db      -3db      +3db      -3db        +3db

and set the other side of the graphic to the exact opposite:

30hz       60hz     120hz     250hz     500hz                       BASS DRUM
-3db       +3db     - 3db       +3db        -3db

When you looked at the EQ  it looked like a zipper.

Interestingly,  if you solo-ed the channels,   each one would sound weird and rather wimpy,  but if you summed them in MONO
they sounded really full and you could hear each one really distinctly.    It's cool because it's entirely a psycho-acoustic effect.
No other creature would hear it this way.

With midrange frequencies which are highly directional and, hence,  wonderful for putting into a very strong stereo effect,
You can merely pan two offending tracks widely in the stereo field and be able to hear both simultaneously.

Now, of course this phenomenon of Masking can exist in both Dynamics,  Rhythm, Melody and Harmony
so you have to be careful that your tracks are not only not masking each other in the sonic spectrum but in these other ways as well.

I've found that a really good rule of thumb is to use only one, or perhaps two, levels of complexity in a mix:    Timbral complexity, Rhythmic complexity,
Dynamic complexity, Melodic and Harmonic complexity.

The simplicity of all the other categories will effectively 'frame' the complexity that you want people to pay attention to.

In this way, you call the listeners' attention to the parts of your piece that you really want them to listen to.

Anyway,  I hope this helps.

Rick Walker







Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com> wrote:

I was wondering if anyone had any tips on how to get more air/space in recordings happening in the computer.  I use headphone to play most times and the resultant recordings always sound claustrophobic and way too dense.  I've tried playing with EQ for each track and filters seem to help (though I can't spend that much time dialing those in while playing guitar) so I figured I'd ask if anyone had any tips or tricks to open things up.

--------------060803040109000107040800-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 04:34:30 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B202413312C; Fri, 25 Mar 2016 04:34:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=/yGBb4Dbhr9O/OOn5VrwyLN7Vcrk2oL/72ftVWp7aks=; b=CIakpXgy9XMJ5cuLRXxRPxuhME/L3I0vgqEqFmfxKNXG8esCrzn2M9vYS5aA+8jrBC acBdAUWn7ojcKnofINxGP8U24TQOOcj/zNgdmBgGdmSNT8altGFEQWYHqyfHHe/00AUg PXZljwCFACpp9vNB77IJnz6lTxGd+FoJRYr6G9Rk+YeYdoTZsCFp9QH8zP3dn4lxqbMS +FJQ4GCzjp1SV6kgyZYFkygyI3D7+p3lDCZleZWBmbOdQAYd5fXkMUlVafHGyx8CndIN /1/61wv79ZuElNQrLBw7y306PGh58Tp5jivLe9C7VDiy6ikdzx5qoCAT6xy5WA/wx1Wr 8s8A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=/yGBb4Dbhr9O/OOn5VrwyLN7Vcrk2oL/72ftVWp7aks=; b=DxE6jkYGuQqHPHgV6Ns23Q+1gajWuY4olSKwL/XGHMiujckOW+++Ywd0ytK/Fl4GgZ 20MpxxP+wTy3Bw0BbJuOZMgEGAtdPQZcjE/cuqTsCHaYGyq7EByG1giLiJbY1FlIKtye 2pU5a57RCrrPJ0ouD3g/d3vqRNAZmtezuOOGt3DZ2MeS65AnGLy6pAhyVbV5lqynStp9 OOP+FP2mKyqUuyBmq8PfhZHdLBx7If110UMXq/WL9NZSCSQpLgjZgbU7Wr5n+N72RrEv IrVqf9KvoMYBle+mFR4ZNWsMi6tUIzLBO2OnPtWtxJwipvrwfZBXu4LB8/1jTNiN4fl6 pqhQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJIgVwP4siw+SmeftAS6Iit803XWGMJybBB7q646wh4O6SWESRLiHOMsd7bt+NsvmQ== X-Received: by 10.66.54.78 with SMTP id h14mr18031277pap.95.1458880469801; Thu, 24 Mar 2016 21:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-F3A137AA-DE78-4482-A2DA-863462E75BD9 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: OT: Space From: Philip Clevenger X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13D20) In-Reply-To: <56F4B24D.9060309@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2016 21:34:27 -0700 Cc: Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <2A09C876-1F99-4ACB-9722-FB4191A82FD6@gmail.com> References: <20160325031149.6D4EA133137@arsenic.violacea.com> <56F4B24D.9060309@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2016 04:34:30 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-F3A137AA-DE78-4482-A2DA-863462E75BD9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great posts Rick ! Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 24, 2016, at 8:36 PM, Rick Walker wrote: >=20 > To amplify what everyone is telling you about avoiding mud: >=20 > Human beings have a phenomenon called 'masking' or 'timbral masking' wher= e if we here something in the exact same frequency spectrum we will actually= only=20 > really 'hear' the loudest of the two sounds. This phenomenon most no= tably in two spectra: bass and lo mid (which includes basses, bass drum= s, dark ambient pads, etc.) =20 > and in the intelligibity ranges (the ranges that perceive the consonants i= n human speech which includes. >=20 > Here's an effective way to teach yourself how this works on a visceral lev= el. Whisper something that is barely but definitely audible to another pe= rson in a room=20 > and then, while talking, play a pair of hi hats quietly so that they 'mus= h' together to make a noise source. Make sure the hi hats are slig= htly louder in volume than your listening. > The person listening to you, will probably still be able to tell that you a= re speaking (because there are deeper frequencies in the human voice than ju= st the intelligibility frequencies=20 > of the consonants) but they will be completely unable to hear what you are= saying. I love showing my drumming students this effect and=20 > make it humorous by just saying truly absurd things when they are unable t= o hear because of the 'masking' frequencies of the hi hats and then repeatin= g to them what I just=20 > have said while their brains were unable to hear what I was saying. Ama= zingly, we don't even get what's being said subliminally, despite the claim= s of many subliminal=20 > weight loss recordings that are out there. >=20 > These "masking' problems cause distinctly different kinds of problems in r= ecording and mixing. >=20 > In the bass and lo midranges the sine waves of the fundamental pitch of yo= ur sounds are so large that we don't perceive them in stereo (are ears are j= ust too close together=20 > to delineate the deep waves. Consequently, 'masking' in the bass and lo= w bass is particularly difficult because you can't use stereoscopic position= ing to eliminate the problem. >=20 > Back in the analog days of recording we used to use a trick called 'Zipper= EQ' (as taught to me by Sandy Stone who engineered Hendrix)=20 > when encountering bass 'mud' in a mix, where we would put a bass guitar o= r bass synth=20 > sound through one channel (mono) of a stereo graphic equalizer and the 'ma= sked' bass drum into the other channel (mono). > Then we would boost the frequencies like this up to about 500 hz. >=20 > 30hz 60hz 120hz 250hz 500hz BASS G= UITAR/SYNTH > +3db -3db +3db -3db +3db >=20 > and set the other side of the graphic to the exact opposite: >=20 > 30hz 60hz 120hz 250hz 500hz BASS D= RUM > -3db +3db - 3db +3db -3db >=20 > When you looked at the EQ it looked like a zipper. >=20 > Interestingly, if you solo-ed the channels, each one would sound weird a= nd rather wimpy, but if you summed them in MONO=20 > they sounded really full and you could hear each one really distinctly. = It's cool because it's entirely a psycho-acoustic effect. > No other creature would hear it this way. >=20 > With midrange frequencies which are highly directional and, hence, wonder= ful for putting into a very strong stereo effect,=20 > You can merely pan two offending tracks widely in the stereo field and be a= ble to hear both simultaneously. >=20 > Now, of course this phenomenon of Masking can exist in both Dynamics, Rhy= thm, Melody and Harmony=20 > so you have to be careful that your tracks are not only not masking each o= ther in the sonic spectrum but in these other ways as well. >=20 > I've found that a really good rule of thumb is to use only one, or perhaps= two, levels of complexity in a mix: Timbral complexity, Rhythmic complex= ity, > Dynamic complexity, Melodic and Harmonic complexity. >=20 > The simplicity of all the other categories will effectively 'frame' the co= mplexity that you want people to pay attention to. >=20 > In this way, you call the listeners' attention to the parts of your piece t= hat you really want them to listen to. >=20 > Anyway, I hope this helps. >=20 > Rick Walker >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >> Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: >>=20 >>> I was wondering if anyone had any tips on how to get more air/space in r= ecordings happening in the computer. I use headphone to play most times and= the resultant recordings always sound claustrophobic and way too dense. I'= ve tried playing with EQ for each track and filters seem to help (though I c= an't spend that much time dialing those in while playing guitar) so I figure= d I'd ask if anyone had any tips or tricks to open things up. >=20 --Apple-Mail-F3A137AA-DE78-4482-A2DA-863462E75BD9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Great posts Rick !

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 24, 2016, at 8:36 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

To amplify what everyone is telling you about avoiding mud:

Human beings have a phenomenon called 'masking'  or 'timbral masking' where if we here something in the exact same frequency spectrum we will actually only
really 'hear' the loudest of the two sounds.       This phenomenon most notably  in two spectra:     bass and lo mid (which includes basses, bass drums, dark ambient pads, etc.)    
and in the intelligibity ranges (the ranges that perceive  the consonants in human speech which includes.

Here's an effective way to teach yourself how this works on a visceral level.    Whisper something that is barely but definitely audible to another person in a room
and then, while talking,  play a pair of hi hats quietly so that they 'mush' together to make a noise source.     Make sure the hi hats are slightly louder in volume than your listening.
The person listening to you, will probably still be able to tell that you are speaking (because there are deeper frequencies in the human voice than just the intelligibility frequencies
of the consonants) but they will be completely unable to hear what you are saying.     I love showing my drumming students this effect and
make it humorous by just saying truly absurd things when they are unable to hear because of the 'masking' frequencies of the hi hats and then repeating to them what I just
have said while their brains were unable to hear what I was saying.    Amazingly,  we don't even get what's being said subliminally, despite the claims of many subliminal
weight loss recordings that are out there.

These "masking' problems cause distinctly different kinds of problems in recording and mixing.

In the bass and lo midranges the sine waves of the fundamental pitch of your sounds are so large that we don't perceive them in stereo (are ears are just too close together
to delineate the deep waves.   Consequently,  'masking' in the bass and low bass is particularly difficult because you can't use stereoscopic positioning to eliminate the problem.

Back in the analog days of recording we used to use a trick called 'Zipper EQ' (as taught to me by Sandy Stone who engineered Hendrix)
when encountering bass 'mud' in a mix,   where we would put a bass guitar or bass synth
sound through one channel (mono) of a stereo graphic equalizer and the 'masked'  bass drum into the other channel (mono).
Then we would boost the frequencies like this up to about 500 hz.

30hz       60hz     120hz     250hz     500hz                       BASS GUITAR/SYNTH
+3db      -3db      +3db      -3db        +3db

and set the other side of the graphic to the exact opposite:

30hz       60hz     120hz     250hz     500hz                       BASS DRUM
-3db       +3db     - 3db       +3db        -3db

When you looked at the EQ  it looked like a zipper.

Interestingly,  if you solo-ed the channels,   each one would sound weird and rather wimpy,  but if you summed them in MONO
they sounded really full and you could hear each one really distinctly.    It's cool because it's entirely a psycho-acoustic effect.
No other creature would hear it this way.

With midrange frequencies which are highly directional and, hence,  wonderful for putting into a very strong stereo effect,
You can merely pan two offending tracks widely in the stereo field and be able to hear both simultaneously.

Now, of course this phenomenon of Masking can exist in both Dynamics,  Rhythm, Melody and Harmony
so you have to be careful that your tracks are not only not masking each other in the sonic spectrum but in these other ways as well.

I've found that a really good rule of thumb is to use only one, or perhaps two, levels of complexity in a mix:    Timbral complexity, Rhythmic complexity,
Dynamic complexity, Melodic and Harmonic complexity.

The simplicity of all the other categories will effectively 'frame' the complexity that you want people to pay attention to.

In this way, you call the listeners' attention to the parts of your piece that you really want them to listen to.

Anyway,  I hope this helps.

Rick Walker







Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com> wrote:

I was wondering if anyone had any tips on how to get more air/space in recordings happening in the computer.  I use headphone to play most times and the resultant recordings always sound claustrophobic and way too dense.  I've tried playing with EQ for each track and filters seem to help (though I can't spend that much time dialing those in while playing guitar) so I figured I'd ask if anyone had any tips or tricks to open things up.

--Apple-Mail-F3A137AA-DE78-4482-A2DA-863462E75BD9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 18:28:45 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53318133135; Fri, 25 Mar 2016 18:28:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=LCO8phPJMvSu9jfvuKiorhr7JW9spLqI9QvbajvjnH0=; b=tdfEhXYgBZjgggYeWauIbRr9VrDjQjF2Tw1JoQJ2c1dgZxCGskT13yhvef1vAQVUMP OiHuxjMAURBF3jYt4PG3ZXauuBTf/cB2kpo3LE0jvqfrZbbWxH5Gyx1WrZ5Fispkv/b9 3Qx+AoVNQ3CvUzn2uIsiIHpms8AwetxkdxFzUWzr2E+syDK6AN1B9Or6ymeyIrubBzwQ gM2+cZIvCuJEV0Sscbs0MqnHpHkDfeDl3qnfg57cSUDi8wtSDwkl+lJcGBE81Rqt8D5S 69tAMCdQ2nM+Sho7Qj72D8dbhthgn5id9urqT8yzST0Ab28u/6vLMgawlv4aKdIcpnYh 9roQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=LCO8phPJMvSu9jfvuKiorhr7JW9spLqI9QvbajvjnH0=; b=gzVZvcCH8AXCOG/mp7+D/QKBaOisEz+gViPhlj60hySuZQW7mMC3djpAqC+pPH6yfH P65yx0bi+ZQ4G/YDSEHiZ4WHwB7VMX/k5aEOnGWV3Mqjb7nvSWolsi0EFOS/6OOCczCB tWZbnHZiF00FzdHp6JHunK5kev/Ftn6L1lOwbhqhkypRBeo7+9S60hRWqnTe6tEVPLD3 3C+ZEnNq8OnrJSSZnuSN6B6y3HjNHbeyQ0bREnq4/ZB2hBlWooMLyjaovjq/AsWR742+ RbK7/PumXVhSB/NMXJm0dFVKGaH6V2FNRo1y80wjCwcDsrGxOPjKGJecFHACsWWWjn5V gWhw== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJIHZTAJEtLxmg5bDi3uy1s1jgtqrv1FY+3VCkEXp4cKk7Z1VrA15nBv2gCh0fMYKYY46LilZ5/s9E1s6g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.67.47 with SMTP id k15mr15654435igt.18.1458930524580; Fri, 25 Mar 2016 11:28:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2A09C876-1F99-4ACB-9722-FB4191A82FD6@gmail.com> References: <20160325031149.6D4EA133137@arsenic.violacea.com> <56F4B24D.9060309@cruzio.com> <2A09C876-1F99-4ACB-9722-FB4191A82FD6@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2016 11:28:44 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Space From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd756e8ab7254052ee3bbc4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2016 18:28:45 +0000 (UTC) --047d7bd756e8ab7254052ee3bbc4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Thanks so much Rick, a lot to digest but plenty of good stuff I think. I'll report back once I solve the mud crisis. Kevin On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 9:34 PM, Philip Clevenger wrote: > Great posts Rick ! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 24, 2016, at 8:36 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > > To amplify what everyone is telling you about avoiding mud: > > Human beings have a phenomenon called 'masking' or 'timbral masking' > where if we here something in the exact same frequency spectrum we will > actually only > really 'hear' the loudest of the two sounds. This phenomenon most > notably in two spectra: bass and lo mid (which includes basses, bass > drums, dark ambient pads, etc.) > and in the intelligibity ranges (the ranges that perceive the consonants > in human speech which includes. > > Here's an effective way to teach yourself how this works on a visceral > level. Whisper something that is barely but definitely audible to > another person in a room > and then, while talking, play a pair of hi hats quietly so that they > 'mush' together to make a noise source. Make sure the hi hats are > slightly louder in volume than your listening. > The person listening to you, will probably still be able to tell that you > are speaking (because there are deeper frequencies in the human voice than > just the intelligibility frequencies > of the consonants) but they will be completely unable to hear what you are > saying. I love showing my drumming students this effect and > make it humorous by just saying truly absurd things when they are unable > to hear because of the 'masking' frequencies of the hi hats and then > repeating to them what I just > have said while their brains were unable to hear what I was saying. > Amazingly, we don't even get what's being said subliminally, despite the > claims of many subliminal > weight loss recordings that are out there. > > These "masking' problems cause distinctly different kinds of problems in > recording and mixing. > > In the bass and lo midranges the sine waves of the fundamental pitch of > your sounds are so large that we don't perceive them in stereo (are ears > are just too close together > to delineate the deep waves. Consequently, 'masking' in the bass and > low bass is particularly difficult because you can't use stereoscopic > positioning to eliminate the problem. > > Back in the analog days of recording we used to use a trick called 'Zipper > EQ' (as taught to me by Sandy Stone who engineered Hendrix) > when encountering bass 'mud' in a mix, where we would put a bass guitar > or bass synth > sound through one channel (mono) of a stereo graphic equalizer and the > 'masked' bass drum into the other channel (mono). > Then we would boost the frequencies like this up to about 500 hz. > > 30hz 60hz 120hz 250hz 500hz BASS > GUITAR/SYNTH > +3db -3db +3db -3db +3db > > and set the other side of the graphic to the exact opposite: > > 30hz 60hz 120hz 250hz 500hz BASS > DRUM > -3db +3db - 3db +3db -3db > > When you looked at the EQ it looked like a zipper. > > Interestingly, if you solo-ed the channels, each one would sound weird > and rather wimpy, but if you summed them in MONO > they sounded really full and you could hear each one really distinctly. > It's cool because it's entirely a psycho-acoustic effect. > No other creature would hear it this way. > > With midrange frequencies which are highly directional and, hence, > wonderful for putting into a very strong stereo effect, > You can merely pan two offending tracks widely in the stereo field and be > able to hear both simultaneously. > > Now, of course this phenomenon of Masking can exist in both Dynamics, > Rhythm, Melody and Harmony > so you have to be careful that your tracks are not only not masking each > other in the sonic spectrum but in these other ways as well. > > I've found that a really good rule of thumb is to use only one, or perhaps > two, levels of complexity in a mix: Timbral complexity, Rhythmic > complexity, > Dynamic complexity, Melodic and Harmonic complexity. > > The simplicity of all the other categories will effectively 'frame' the > complexity that you want people to pay attention to. > > In this way, you call the listeners' attention to the parts of your piece > that you really want them to listen to. > > Anyway, I hope this helps. > > Rick Walker > > > > > > > > Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone had any tips on how to get more air/space in > recordings happening in the computer. I use headphone to play most times > and the resultant recordings always sound claustrophobic and way too > dense. I've tried playing with EQ for each track and filters seem to help > (though I can't spend that much time dialing those in while playing guitar) > so I figured I'd ask if anyone had any tips or tricks to open things up. > > > -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) --047d7bd756e8ab7254052ee3bbc4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks so much Rick, a lot to digest but plenty of go= od stuff I think.=C2=A0 I'll report back once I solve the mud crisis.
Kevin

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 9:34 PM, Philip Clevenger <phil.c= levenger@gmail.com> wrote:
=
Great posts Rick !

Sent from my iPhone
<= div>

On Mar 24, 2016, at 8:36 PM, Rick Walker <= ;looppool@cruzio.c= om> wrote:

=20 =20 =20 =20
To amplify what everyone is telling you about avoiding mud:

Human beings have a phenomenon called 'masking'=C2=A0 or '= ;timbral masking' where if we here something in the exact same frequency spectrum we will actually only
really 'hear' the loudest of the two sounds.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 This phenomenon most notably=C2=A0 in two spectra:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 bass and l= o mid (which includes basses, bass drums, dark ambient pads, etc.) =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
and in the intelligibity ranges (the ranges that perceive=C2=A0 the consonants in human speech which includes.

Here's an effective way to teach yourself how this works on a visceral level.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Whisper something that is barely bu= t definitely audible to another person in a room
and then, while talking,=C2=A0 play a pair of hi hats quietly so that they 'mush' together to make a noise source.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 Make sure the hi hats are slightly louder in volume than your listening.
The person listening to you, will probably still be able to tell that you are speaking (because there are deeper frequencies in the human voice than just the intelligibility frequencies
of the consonants) but they will be completely unable to hear what you are saying.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I love showing my drumming st= udents this effect and
make it humorous by just saying truly absurd things when they are unable to hear because of the 'masking' frequencies of the hi= hats and then repeating to them what I just
have said while their brains were unable to hear what I was saying.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Amazingly,=C2=A0 we don't even get what= 's being said subliminally, despite the claims of many subliminal
weight loss recordings that are out there.

These "masking' problems cause distinctly different kinds of problems in recording and mixing.

In the bass and lo midranges the sine waves of the fundamental pitch of your sounds are so large that we don't perceive them in stereo (are ears are just too close together
to delineate the deep waves.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Consequently,=C2=A0 'mas= king' in the bass and low bass is particularly difficult because you can't use stereoscopic positioning to eliminate the problem.

Back in the analog days of recording we used to use a trick called 'Zipper EQ' (as taught to me by Sandy Stone who engineered Hendrix)
when encountering bass 'mud' in a mix, =C2=A0 where we would = put a bass guitar or bass synth
sound through one channel (mono) of a stereo graphic equalizer and the 'masked'=C2=A0 bass drum into the other channel (mono). Then we would boost the frequencies like this up to about 500 hz.

30hz=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 60hz=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 120h= z=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 250hz=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 500hz=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 BASS = GUITAR/SYNTH
+3db=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 -3db=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 +3db=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -3db=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = +3db

and set the other side of the graphic to the exact opposite:

30hz=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 60hz=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 120h= z=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 250hz=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 500hz=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 BASS = DRUM
-3db=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 +3db=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - 3db=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +3db=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 -3db

When you looked at the EQ=C2=A0 it looked like a zipper.

Interestingly,=C2=A0 if you solo-ed the channels,=C2=A0=C2=A0 each on= e would sound weird and rather wimpy,=C2=A0 but if you summed them in MONO they sounded really full and you could hear each one really distinctly.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 It's cool because it's entirely= a psycho-acoustic effect.
No other creature would hear it this way.

With midrange frequencies which are highly directional and, hence,=C2=A0 wonderful for putting into a very strong stereo effect, =
You can merely pan two offending tracks widely in the stereo field and be able to hear both simultaneously.

Now, of course this phenomenon of Masking can exist in both Dynamics,=C2=A0 Rhythm, Melody and Harmony
so you have to be careful that your tracks are not only not masking each other in the sonic spectrum but in these other ways as well.

I've found that a really good rule of thumb is to use only one, o= r perhaps two, levels of complexity in a mix:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Timbral= complexity, Rhythmic complexity,
Dynamic complexity, Melodic and Harmonic complexity.

The simplicity of all the other categories will effectively 'frame' the complexity that you want people to pay attention = to.

In this way, you call the listeners' attention to the parts of your piece that you really want them to listen to.

Anyway,=C2=A0 I hope this helps.

Rick Walker







Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com> wrote:

I was wondering if anyone had any tips on how to get more air/space in recordings happening in the computer.=C2= =A0 I use headphone to play most times and the resultant recordings always sound claustrophobic and way too dense.=C2=A0 I've tried playing with EQ for each track = and filters seem to help (though I can't spend that much time dialing those in while playing guitar) so I figured I'd ask if anyone had any tips or tricks to open things up.

=20



--
Till now you seriously conside= red yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignor= ance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879= -1950)

--047d7bd756e8ab7254052ee3bbc4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 26 04:59:44 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69950133132; Sat, 26 Mar 2016 04:59:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 4070 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at arsenic; Sat, 26 Mar 2016 04:59:44 UTC From: bill walker Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3361216A-0B94-4DC7-9736-172341053C5F" Subject: Re: OT: Space Message-Id: <24B2B9CC-1BE6-417B-B56A-2C8E86507928@icloud.com> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2016 20:51:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2016 04:59:44 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_3361216A-0B94-4DC7-9736-172341053C5F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Great posts Rick and Per, things every looping person should know, I = have always preferred single coil or should I say noiseless single coils = for the very reason that they don't crowd the midrange and layer better = in band and looping contexts. Which gets me to the next subject. I'm = wondering if Either of you would be interested in joining my new band, = Mud Mafia, or if thats already taken the MidRangers, either way we would = just play in the midrange , I mean, screw the bass and treble, those = frequencies are so last century.We'd use lots of nasally overdrives and = fuzzes, and plenty of cocked wah sounds, and graphic eq's set to frown = face ! Oh and Les Paul's heavy ones with high output pickups. We'd = play as loud as the Melvin's, it would be epic!!!! Any one else = interested ??? brass and woodwinds are welcome as long as they aren't = flutes or piccolos, soprano sax or pocket trumpets, tubas =85.. I figure = there might be room for three or four more guitars. Whose with me Bill=20 --Apple-Mail=_3361216A-0B94-4DC7-9736-172341053C5F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252   Great posts Rick and Per, things every = looping person should know, I have always preferred single coil or = should I say noiseless single coils for the very reason that they don't = crowd the midrange and layer better in band and looping contexts. =  Which gets me to the next subject.  I'm wondering if Either = of you would be interested in joining my new band, Mud Mafia, or if = thats already taken the MidRangers, either way we would just play in the = midrange , I mean, screw the bass and treble, those frequencies are so = last century.We'd use lots of nasally overdrives and fuzzes, and plenty = of cocked wah sounds, and  graphic eq's set to frown face ! =  Oh and Les Paul's  heavy ones with high output pickups. = We'd play as loud as the Melvin's, it would be epic!!!! Any one = else interested ??? brass and woodwinds are welcome as long as they = aren't flutes or piccolos, soprano sax or pocket trumpets, = tubas =85.. I figure there might be room for three or four more = guitars.
Whose with = me
Bill 

= --Apple-Mail=_3361216A-0B94-4DC7-9736-172341053C5F-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 26 12:00:34 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 548C1FF956; Sat, 26 Mar 2016 12:00:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1458993632; bh=2HQnAmGnMYMfg/jjcW7xwJD5EdyeS4cSLyusO7nKncU=; h=Subject:References:From:In-Reply-To:Date:To:From:Subject; b=hXhNok//uquqBi8QMbvV8lRFWfE4ZR17HQ+SaEWYnHs72FT1MHptbJQbywwrV7N0k+dawinyJ+7hahr4OT2mciheqOiLFBb/yJlWRokRwggZdqYOLEojcD5R62SAzlD/rif2BYGIpen/YPVodIgc6BqZzw6v+rtP1yjnl9sXLltV8U+2E2+o1Xkv1wzxyLm/nA1zV2H3w8gVRBINhT0wUNBq1ht4lfqNr7dk1RggGeDh4bKhWUXdP5f/1KRJE86i2CdTXctEODsCvdz5R0PfE7UiZN9ebvwSIjSBpYmdYVHKIPcAbGvdzMrRRaLb3AstMk9reRVZT+7YFBwBs8wWiA== X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 655935.40547.bm@smtp105.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: GXtBfp8VM1nIGcWxo_K1zI1a7gL1Zyp9VuBFmQ_7_04fE9N GdI9zy0fO_tgvOQuGKcOSzpsc.jwZxCZPzjM9se4UcUAiMaJPQdJ9_j35rAd qw49oEFq8r6_pD784xJ1nBODQxlGTywQFkCQgHONoQ6hSrew1pzKA5FWEmHa Cw.YrHiR2V4l9DIq8LkyPH0t532cqd9qTjbg_fOl0ddjLdrZGvD_XNCIRprE qiCvKEJUfI_UUltw1BSXORKytHPhd3xXGqHwT26oFy90OaodwFHgK7pOJ8CH 28jL5QtdGmsfy8aXyd8tikLMGlOGgTq9a5SPmiORrZ312VhMCfQud8EX4qE6 iYDpTibWlF_eYYjfvnuvDQoT3Je8bQgoo6Q8cC5.9HyICqsiDyOrUzqvnLa9 D9ucaQa0a4Gl_BwfmHUlrvr6nU0yN5LognaBfB._XbNI6UKyyLBHy7FoLOki j7EUrq_UKEHon_ruyKm9ka70qh1etR9EwetEn29zgYuT3ExbOIno6KT6jBqt B8kbMo.ak5fPt57R1.Ul4W2mD9DA2ocT30g-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: zoP3D9GswBAC41P0r57UmSrE__sr072S0w-- Subject: Re: OT: Space References: <24B2B9CC-1BE6-417B-B56A-2C8E86507928@icloud.com> From: Luis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mailer: iPad Mail (13E233) In-Reply-To: <24B2B9CC-1BE6-417B-B56A-2C8E86507928@icloud.com> Message-Id: <3C3E9A8C-C30C-4E34-9AED-4F8D4FEBCB1E@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2016 13:00:30 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2016 12:00:34 +0000 (UTC) Do u accept zurna? Theyre normally well behaved https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3DC7B-BTZDkXs > On 26.03.2016, at 04:51, bill walker wrote: >=20 > Great posts Rick and Per, things every looping person should know, I hav= e always preferred single coil or should I say noiseless single coils for th= e very reason that they don't crowd the midrange and layer better in band an= d looping contexts. Which gets me to the next subject. I'm wondering if Ei= ther of you would be interested in joining my new band, Mud Mafia, or if tha= ts already taken the MidRangers, either way we would just play in the midran= ge , I mean, screw the bass and treble, those frequencies are so last centur= y.We'd use lots of nasally overdrives and fuzzes, and plenty of cocked wah s= ounds, and graphic eq's set to frown face ! Oh and Les Paul's heavy ones w= ith high output pickups. We'd play as loud as the Melvin's, it would be epic= !!!! Any one else interested ??? brass and woodwinds are welcome as long as t= hey aren't flutes or piccolos, soprano sax or pocket trumpets, tubas =E2=80=A6= .. I figure there might be room for three or four more guitars. > Whose with me > Bill=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 26 12:44:13 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3A53FF95B; Sat, 26 Mar 2016 12:44:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=7vmBmDR13xTt7Ur8jLoELFlYd+EAWG6olTPHHPS3MQs=; b=GV+NhEpAp82+xj1nTn/GiN2Mtf+iXZ8Z57bFGeGIOBTyj3UU/wowZFHMvUDWuo4o8U g+GU/Hie71mZeRhVeAqMXOySCKpsy7Yve5FdjnGg6As3GvEcg76kX/4ArM+ciXjUJKRz QGh0/NT4cvVWSyZjsippRs0T5yI8L3aWIMn3Ku8ZhYrRYsd1O40TnybdFQxvPg3j6iDH AB/1yoi98nkY0VcB5LPc3dBXa6NtQx1UrUB6U3i0z+/jlIgxKzgaBlRIbVGuYoO4NcaD jjDgwa2ehZ01ESWJcDZexcOjNk+7M37vA4ODyQsJbnw8fviowj2n6S554q9LSwZn4vUn 6fNg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=7vmBmDR13xTt7Ur8jLoELFlYd+EAWG6olTPHHPS3MQs=; b=SzN+ZLMQH0oyqafXwSdR7UETvV7rbygFr5xMuavBXFbQFMmv1cHvVwm7QJQ4iqiiUa 6GibZ1VdrAm6hIz2quAGnvcsr7MzbsgqHfoFsM60lrBFHdDEQ5xsHmtjeExW9TtAAsPo rH7WivklR+9NDFJHeoEhCuilwFuvNHxRD5dp8Tjnaf2Mafl7ABwCOX5V07RsSvHYUF31 Wb8YVmucZbZBGxsoWYqxLgk8vbM5KSeE8GJk+bpR06YrP6DNlpPn+xIlynKPY1pQ+82A 6Y48w6UBiTF0DGfbujPtjLTwiwGLJr2p4K1Wkl4DxkY9Xb9q4Ns7GoL0OZ/BmF6J4jKh xxIg== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJIlubV2yyqHIjmk0WHyRmuqR94tpQX/Rd3P450HE+pJBPjJtK+BOpbFD1ZIvo4CUTwi8e0xzQmcTqT/BA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.161.144 with SMTP id xs16mr8438223oeb.15.1458996252162; Sat, 26 Mar 2016 05:44:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3C3E9A8C-C30C-4E34-9AED-4F8D4FEBCB1E@yahoo.com> References: <24B2B9CC-1BE6-417B-B56A-2C8E86507928@icloud.com> <3C3E9A8C-C30C-4E34-9AED-4F8D4FEBCB1E@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2016 13:44:12 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Space From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2016 12:44:12 +0000 (UTC) You need a sock-in-mouth-vocalist as well! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Luis wrote: > Do u accept zurna? Theyre normally well behaved > > https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3DC7B-BTZDkXs > > > >> On 26.03.2016, at 04:51, bill walker wrote: >> >> Great posts Rick and Per, things every looping person should know, I h= ave always preferred single coil or should I say noiseless single coils for= the very reason that they don't crowd the midrange and layer better in ban= d and looping contexts. Which gets me to the next subject. I'm wondering = if Either of you would be interested in joining my new band, Mud Mafia, or = if thats already taken the MidRangers, either way we would just play in the= midrange , I mean, screw the bass and treble, those frequencies are so las= t century.We'd use lots of nasally overdrives and fuzzes, and plenty of coc= ked wah sounds, and graphic eq's set to frown face ! Oh and Les Paul's h= eavy ones with high output pickups. We'd play as loud as the Melvin's, it w= ould be epic!!!! Any one else interested ??? brass and woodwinds are welcom= e as long as they aren't flutes or piccolos, soprano sax or pocket trumpets= , tubas =E2=80=A6.. I figure there might be room for three or four more gui= tars. >> Whose with me >> Bill >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 26 12:46:18 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98D91FF959; Sat, 26 Mar 2016 12:46:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=/ehoHm5t5nV9TzXBkCeY9XEglFO9XZ7H1IDpaGrN5ik=; b=XhkP2zgr90ZtbzC1GvvoX4rPDLZD86+atnaFTFJO8ZigmhZ/uq1h/dFEtM24kpUhVP tJHGRWqPat9bzk5o9bFKon00rx9+tnIOHuCPeTuAVqiW1qZNpqgprZo87uIWHTOMb28t EVfIkoi++2dGDJMlWzsE7PVsiNlG2iVCF2eansJYEqvpiA4Dkx0ssazAmgm2ZwpvRMsP UBReui9yNTfgbtYtQpKbn8GlGs7NT8CIpCiDDsP0ZlIQ5Ey52gDfFqJpvKLhqnPM6u9F MoVx58NIkAB4AH5s4MU/3bMOln0Pa6DgIe7yQCeu1IwN9ThWH0GbygSyKRg7+V61N0NR 88Dg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=/ehoHm5t5nV9TzXBkCeY9XEglFO9XZ7H1IDpaGrN5ik=; b=R4AsAWJ8HVK+7KU/7/cqRg4AaPeMJWFdXI0DbQGvPacZxEi9EP/xuAvSEjKmcbnIzC L/d4oIn7kzEKQ4tH8Z+I5MbFExDEGxIzMNVzYry8ZqdHl8E/Mz4tjupVXoLVfE2CWUxC qb7F1N2xameMe09VqsVC13R+ScdyeUzSdJJLucw/xedgUDPtJzi0GrPq7FXAiPGNbgbt QuLc+LIvUgLHnss+5Wt5n1LezPihR8P77HVaq4ATvTA/xwepCl3WV1WTlKltX3LRp9kP NcLX7N/gtoax5xZFIHLdzYANRIK9opaMdZZbDolrFTTYY8KxfUnH4mvLrMprcD9lBsSq ojOg== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJJU31B9Gln+zCQr08sfRN/8t5j3gBqWMm5ISEVCmIBWsazKUf4vTEYIS0WwEKiTmWAtD3RlXWcEDzXH7A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.157.8.170 with SMTP id 39mr8125067otf.93.1458996378027; Sat, 26 Mar 2016 05:46:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <24B2B9CC-1BE6-417B-B56A-2C8E86507928@icloud.com> References: <24B2B9CC-1BE6-417B-B56A-2C8E86507928@icloud.com> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2016 07:46:17 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Space From: Josh Elliott To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113e22ecd750b0052ef310a0 Resent-Message-ID: <4ULeOC.A.xSD.aSo9WB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2016 12:46:18 +0000 (UTC) --001a113e22ecd750b0052ef310a0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes! I'll play a Rhodes with all the highs rolled off..Rock on Mud Mafia! A bonus of this band also is all the PA speakers can have blown tweaters and it doesn't matter. ;) On Mar 25, 2016 11:59 PM, "bill walker" wrote: > Great posts Rick and Per, things every looping person should know, I > have always preferred single coil or should I say noiseless single coils > for the very reason that they don't crowd the midrange and layer better i= n > band and looping contexts. Which gets me to the next subject. I'm > wondering if Either of you would be interested in joining my new band, Mu= d > Mafia, or if thats already taken the MidRangers, either way we would just > play in the midrange , I mean, screw the bass and treble, those frequenci= es > are so last century.We'd use lots of nasally overdrives and fuzzes, and > plenty of cocked wah sounds, and graphic eq's set to frown face ! Oh an= d > Les Paul's heavy ones with high output pickups. We'd play as loud as > the Melvin's, it would be epic!!!! Any one else interested ??? brass and > woodwinds are welcome as long as they aren't flutes or piccolos, soprano > sax or pocket trumpets, tubas =E2=80=A6.. I figure there might be room fo= r three or > four more guitars. > Whose with me > Bill > > --001a113e22ecd750b0052ef310a0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes! I'll play a Rhodes with all the highs rolled off..R= ock on Mud Mafia! A bonus of this band also is all the PA speakers can have= blown tweaters and it doesn't matter. ;)

On Mar 25, 2016 11:59 PM, "bill walker"= ; <wildbillwalker@icloud.co= m> wrote:
=C2=A0 Grea= t posts Rick and Per, things every looping person should know, I have alway= s preferred single coil or should I say noiseless single coils for the very= reason that they don't crowd the midrange and layer better in band and= looping contexts.=C2=A0 Which gets me to the next subject.=C2=A0 I'm w= ondering if Either of you would be interested in joining my new band, Mud M= afia, or if thats already taken the MidRangers, either way we would just pl= ay in the midrange , I mean, screw the bass and treble, those frequencies a= re so last century.We'd use lots of nasally overdrives and fuzzes, and = plenty of cocked wah sounds, and =C2=A0graphic eq's set to frown face != =C2=A0 Oh and Les=C2=A0Paul's=C2=A0 heavy ones with high output pickups= . We'd play as loud as the=C2=A0Melvin's, it would be epic!!!! Any = one else=C2=A0interested ??? brass and woodwinds are welcome as long as the= y aren't flutes or=C2=A0piccolos, soprano sax or pocket trumpets, tubas= =C2=A0=E2=80=A6.. I figure there might be room for three or four more guita= rs.
Whose=C2=A0with me=
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--001a113e22ecd750b0052ef310a0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 26 13:50:38 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80950FF95B; Sat, 26 Mar 2016 13:50:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=PwdaZ82u70OWXEhwmPeFCHMzc3CIhizaVSb+M23N15M=; b=U88ho0Onxs094VPl8CwYpzzEjs8mOzBOz1Pc+FP96CyzJBs2O3Om7ymSZHRGsyGBf3 +810bDCn1HpzEmQethdpQjM0SMeAHN+QsLkDpL5krZLKbjNbiWdDS8PV4KFMgGhxhPhN HsTlOHSj8Cz54+J4MFe6ORZXvRE7dSxrv/RBQz06iMABXKrX09682nPWKNjIuBdVoLC1 PaJkcrE24pa/u/vIb5Qmwu8rZwv+JK7AbxK8kD0Qufhaz+YLc1U2iDb0FHPqOUayY5Lx jDlR3LHWZHJBwwpoXzPQnRyJulZyxuRvFHZBpOsL5hxNLOP052v/nfmS2Gu9fTedrwX0 LVww== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=PwdaZ82u70OWXEhwmPeFCHMzc3CIhizaVSb+M23N15M=; b=dWxoV+OeNDPV82ZkvXzp2UjokD5ZlUrI56OiFoMaaAjJh+DEDQdIqpD7aWtHyp/Utn zf6gbtKJJilMwmpBZ+71OYcjAkqOvULnrcqAmgLeL3LqV+TV6NmnqZ2whKV0D6LcQxJE P6MireNK5alT5CkT1vOrO5GOF1Q4BzmVeDmt3doHBDooyWebIt4b9Hed574xrtYrCIvP IG5pqaZRlhr5En3wXeO7oXfj1tVbhpSvEQ60oPt8IVduhbc4SxC1n3LrpvcSkIPrmDJN 3Nig2HcpWS/tuCETWopeE6y8nYRH4BDq3DgfI15SwkXKGaRTueI7hupQV2V0F3S3d/hQ qgFA== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJLleEYDleDjYZE5IasnnBranEaTZZzmpLpfrh198ytLs3aJ7PpQNVDu42kV7a4pjgR1CqVD0In3LU8jeQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.161.144 with SMTP id xs16mr8518167oeb.15.1459000237860; Sat, 26 Mar 2016 06:50:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <24B2B9CC-1BE6-417B-B56A-2C8E86507928@icloud.com> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2016 14:50:37 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Space From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2016 13:50:38 +0000 (UTC) ...or PA speakers can be rigged directly on the ground, cones side down. ;-= ) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Josh Elliott wrot= e: > Yes! I'll play a Rhodes with all the highs rolled off..Rock on Mud Mafia!= A > bonus of this band also is all the PA speakers can have blown tweaters an= d > it doesn't matter. ;) > > On Mar 25, 2016 11:59 PM, "bill walker" wrote= : >> >> Great posts Rick and Per, things every looping person should know, I >> have always preferred single coil or should I say noiseless single coils= for >> the very reason that they don't crowd the midrange and layer better in b= and >> and looping contexts. Which gets me to the next subject. I'm wondering= if >> Either of you would be interested in joining my new band, Mud Mafia, or = if >> thats already taken the MidRangers, either way we would just play in the >> midrange , I mean, screw the bass and treble, those frequencies are so l= ast >> century.We'd use lots of nasally overdrives and fuzzes, and plenty of co= cked >> wah sounds, and graphic eq's set to frown face ! Oh and Les Paul's he= avy >> ones with high output pickups. We'd play as loud as the Melvin's, it wou= ld >> be epic!!!! Any one else interested ??? brass and woodwinds are welcome = as >> long as they aren't flutes or piccolos, soprano sax or pocket trumpets, >> tubas =E2=80=A6.. I figure there might be room for three or four more gu= itars. >> Whose with me >> Bill >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 26 20:57:19 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDB6DFF959; Sat, 26 Mar 2016 20:57:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:subject:message-id:date:to:mime-version; bh=VFtFIrqezeelV+xHmsX+1xONiAgisFf6K0kJKXABTU0=; b=iVJ9XIDN56AT/TUol2alxxCEKhRGGAREtWS+dl//Y2ZW9uVuHBatsRZsblue+uQAxG EYutcFIsKvI+Nlq6asG4JhIzwkmWoi1zWtfq+6hpy8qLEZYfxibMBR4O3MiZXN9FyZnq jSu/1rPaX4ZxuFQA4Xyr7Ncox9hmTh10a6Fqb/RHLRh8NtfzuM9rZtKpJmZN3ROpr8+0 9tWKfxUx4QEff0bAvXw0u5t8gE+rmw90WNfeNm0N6jerfl/OOHYHe5+WeAZoSSv6ZgVz yIMaFp/GW+SZAPjkBnnqp4MIUIKhSnDRHsst7sg/sSxRCIWuGYCdc49+Q4Cpz+4Tqx5U xiUA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:subject:message-id:date:to:mime-version; bh=VFtFIrqezeelV+xHmsX+1xONiAgisFf6K0kJKXABTU0=; b=C7WP0uxwrufAE9pjuwnmuhqtH6pHFwFbETslsnBEdNilltSmiowoXORUtQy/2i8E/n MFWveobAR/gcxYDfYKqM1pW+mMPmt4Fdz6UhlSsddLGJNB5cuHekxuhD5DBePupmlvlU TkyU9kf0IU42chkEQFC3b8WEP+SwWPXVnmw5+jvhpxoMHiXd8oGxBD0FxPvjCvHcN9UF dUh+D+IUO+0UknTO5q+xRDCjA8PGGxKbG5giZmXH4lthp8D26SuBMRlzKkhXlUaxNm3h 5wzNbM3itkBDYcVk6y3KsSmbBLE2DLsERKi235l/Jwnzqr8bUUvJJDrBfl5nGmn0xA2/ 9cgg== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJLlu6OXDJKoIHGZ0r9DghH14+VNszuCW6oRQHxeuGIWlLI/q8AYrJcLH8qH44zXHQ== X-Received: by 10.66.66.42 with SMTP id c10mr30749780pat.119.1459025838933; Sat, 26 Mar 2016 13:57:18 -0700 (PDT) From: jffblndng Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_733449B6-316D-415B-B508-17E3852BD8EC" Subject: EAR Magazine, printed publications, Bay Area concerts & days of yore Message-Id: <2BA0E51D-8B0A-4066-BB60-328975CAFBF5@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2016 13:57:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2016 20:57:19 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_733449B6-316D-415B-B508-17E3852BD8EC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hello loopers! this is my first post back on the list, i was last here = many many years ago. it's good to see the list is still around and = active. today i was reading the latest edition of TapeOp Magazine and recalled = another, EAR Magazine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EAR_Magazine = i have such fond memories growing up in the Bay Area and reading EAR = Magazine, it left me with a strong interest in and appreciation of = interesting creative music and sound. along with Charles Amirkhanian's = (remember Other Minds' "Brian Eno Day"?) radio show for KPFA, and = Canadian magazine Musicworks (https://www.musicworks.ca/ = ). however, since it's collapse in 1991 i haven't seen anything similar. = now we have email lists like this one which is great, but personally i = love a printed magazine. i miss particularly the concert listings of = contemporary and experimental music throughout the Bay Area. every time = i read the concert and event listings in the back of The Wire, most of = which are in England, i wish for something similar for the West Coast. i'm curious if others on the list remember this magazine? if so, what = impact did it have on you? is there anything comparable out today? i don't know of any, but i would = love to be educated about if if something does exist. i feel like the = creative/experimental Bay Area music scene has declined since 1991. = despite living in the "internet age", with its promise of easy access to = information, there does not seem to be a lot available about adventurous = musical goings on. or, more depressingly, perhaps there just isn't much = going on to talk about any more. not to say there's nothing.. of course we have the loopfest, Outsound, = now and then Stanford (or CCRMA) has something, and KFJC of course. = there's some online resources (some of those links are now 404 not = found): http://transbaycalendar.org/resources.html = but no physical, printed magazine to touch and hold and save. aside from = the events listings EAR Magazine had very interesting printed scores for = new music and interviews on a great range of topics. maybe i'm just being pessimistic or sentimental/nostalgic. curious to = hear what others think. -jeff - - -- --- ----- -------- Jeff Blanding jffblndng@gmail.com --Apple-Mail=_733449B6-316D-415B-B508-17E3852BD8EC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
hello loopers! this is my first post back on = the list, i was last here many many years ago. it's good to see the list = is still around and active.

today i was reading the latest edition of TapeOp Magazine = and recalled another, EAR Magazine:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EAR_Magazine


i have such fond memories growing up in the Bay Area and = reading EAR Magazine, it left me with a strong interest in and = appreciation of interesting creative music and sound. along = with Charles Amirkhanian's (remember Other Minds' "Brian Eno Day"?) = radio show for KPFA, and Canadian magazine Musicworks (https://www.musicworks.ca/).

however, since it's collapse in 1991 i = haven't seen anything similar. now we have email lists like this one = which is great, but personally i love a printed magazine. i miss = particularly the concert listings of contemporary and experimental music = throughout the Bay Area. every time i read the concert and event = listings in the back of The Wire, most of which are in England, i wish = for something similar for the West Coast.

i'm curious if others on the list = remember this magazine? if so, what impact did it have on you?

is there anything = comparable out today? i don't know of any, but i would love to be = educated about if if something does exist. i feel like the = creative/experimental Bay Area music scene has declined since 1991. = despite living in the "internet age", with its promise of easy access to = information, there does not seem to be a lot available about adventurous = musical goings on. or, more depressingly, perhaps there just isn't much = going on to talk about any more.

not to say there's nothing.. of course = we have the loopfest, Outsound, now and then Stanford (or CCRMA) has = something, and KFJC of course. there's some online resources (some of = those links are now 404 not found):



but no physical, printed magazine to touch and hold and save. = aside from the events listings EAR Magazine had very interesting printed = scores for new music and interviews on a great range of = topics.

maybe = i'm just being pessimistic or sentimental/nostalgic. curious to hear = what others think.

-jeff


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Jeff Blanding



= --Apple-Mail=_733449B6-316D-415B-B508-17E3852BD8EC-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 27 02:43:56 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36C19FF959; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 02:43:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: OT: Space To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20160326205720.19758FF96F@arsenic.violacea.com> From: Rick Walker Message-ID: <56F748F9.70502@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2016 19:44:09 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160326205720.19758FF96F@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 02:43:56 +0000 (UTC) ..or we could always call Bill's new midrange only band, MÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜDDD though I do quite like Mud Mafia, as well I'd like to contribute Vocals through a Karaoke microphone routed through 11 different distortion pedals run through a stereo graphic equalizer with +12 db boost of each frequency from 500 hz to 1500 hz with all other frequencies cut by -12 db...........................with that excellent suggestion of having a sock in my mouth, simultaneously with the addition of routing the sound from voice to microphone through a traffic cone. I'd only want to do conflicting times signatures at different BPM ranging from 100 - 120 BPM; singing only Whole Tone Scales, melodically. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 27 09:46:18 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50C01FF959; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 09:46:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=DNIhCL4iEuUMnKduJDZLBFwRrDb6H0q6zS63DxMfzAY=; b=uZzCMCwG5GXdJboE9efi5dtz+W6HQ7UUri2x8bj2YCuPXMKDttmctKZsRf3WvZvhY8 nAEgaB3idLEHj9oDY5YLz6RKp2sv6oMHEachjhKJm7eB3tYChV9azQIjQ8xd8AY55Qok XRd6X50AQVgyomOvdY1hHajare7+XgAESON6HECyaVsGZbvY+9NofAwGSnMhqGtY/dhj cTtT+3Aa9qZ5HOGQcpvKbtINa/dPXs6NAJGeiVsvA3K69Y2a24J612igM+FVr7PhXfIb 3B238pBRpIwq9jKPYQzDz4Vz230oqRUxWm9CYzgYERERK4mAkK5NxdI2V/A1P5pF2wiB xazQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=DNIhCL4iEuUMnKduJDZLBFwRrDb6H0q6zS63DxMfzAY=; b=jFVtKXwZeduxOJyDlWUTwdMt52zmDb/yywGENrBSrr+G128yxZkRyArZDnpCrx9F0n X70QWLSef3raReecGzLDW221ltOC31GOOTUb9DK6i3K5x0hHBehsdz27zlfphqEe18uE PSeQZqAIgwWyWtkx4c8E0bGkChSV/9cXhoYWj4UnRiocHcvgPi6po4Frw63P2opXJKvf nXCp7L5gYHZejWraic0D75H9F8uoywqbUEImoZNw4nn9WtnClIsfMdpkkJftaOD9tTFT yyTmhj/aQKRdrkEnrBKMJOSr7IGA4Kbfglw/ZZ/rjFPFbUB34jHEvZT47hZWYvzrvJNO Kvhw== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJJuSCVdRgHGTqK/x0JoiKtdxlNfmrBMg/MSbELEjt+5Wolceg3YYdb3vdAsdTSh3mw7RbRa/wkU5gocFA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.133.234 with SMTP id pf10mr1894271oeb.29.1459071977587; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 02:46:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <56F748F9.70502@cruzio.com> References: <20160326205720.19758FF96F@arsenic.violacea.com> <56F748F9.70502@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 11:46:17 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Space From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <-hj9LC.A.aK.qv69WB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 09:46:18 +0000 (UTC) Stellar! This thread is really taking off... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 4:44 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > ..or we could always call Bill's new midrange only band, > > > M=C3=9C=C3=9C=C3=9C=C3=9C=C3=9C=C3=9C=C3=9C=C3=9C=C3=9C=C3=9CDDD > > though I do quite like Mud Mafia, as well > > I'd like to contribute Vocals through a Karaoke microphone routed through= 11 > different distortion pedals > run through a stereo graphic equalizer with +12 db boost of each frequenc= y > from 500 hz to 1500 hz > with all other frequencies cut by -12 db...........................with t= hat > excellent suggestion of having a sock > in my mouth, simultaneously with the addition of routing the sound from > voice to microphone through > a traffic cone. > I'd only want to do conflicting times signatures at different BPM rang= ing > from 100 - 120 BPM; > singing only Whole Tone Scales, melodically. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 28 14:36:41 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CA2CFF96F; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 14:36:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hblnxmtascan04.hostbaby.com Message-ID: <725e8d850ea85fbbf987c4aafb610d81.squirrel@noahpeterson.com.hostbaby.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 09:36:38 -0500 Subject: From: "Noah Peterson" To: "Loopers-Delight" Reply-To: noah@noahpeterson.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 14:36:41 +0000 (UTC) 2015 SoCal LoopFest Video Index The 2015 SoCal was an extraordinary display of looping this year. Lots of international performers, lots of great locals. It really was a ton of fun. I’ll be posting the videos on FB if you want to follow me at www.facebook.com/noahpetersonmusic Archived footage is available at www.socalloopfest.com; just click on the artists names. For those of you wanting to jump right in; here’s the entire playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ2abY9ngkg&list=PLjiWJF83CBimJu6jsL894yYrQrHpkbhNe International Artists: Entertainment for the Brain Dead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-Q_XZZI3hE&index=1&list=PLjiWJF83CBilG1x0_3f_qKWYDAJdmy_XK Steve Moyes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ2abY9ngkg Cian: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYtiY6NbMLM&list=PLjiWJF83CBin-wJkHyVT_kR2SVg3mZe5N&index=1 Cabezas de Cera: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6gwIdPhM7o&list=PLjiWJF83CBimYCJ1L5JYAwUWjYwa2qkTr&index=1 Shores of Latency: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjLxIn7CD8E Ecnegru: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHM2F3WSons&list=PLjiWJF83CBikTU1K7VojxA75T6EIrNkfu&index=1 Alissa Vox Raw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yHszO3d7RM&index=1&list=PLjiWJF83CBinnhmf8c8Jcgk2XGjQh7b5z U.S. Artists: Noah Peterson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ2abY9ngkg Robert Matheson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM7ETeqAL_w&index=1&list=PLjiWJF83CBikPkiEPGTZlF_B2wvKEHzSw Zack Walters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVh5ESfyQh4&list=PLjiWJF83CBikoxpuDCvY8mxXZLpVw1wzb Son Fish: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVTYFpaDA7g Rejyna: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY8CReJnM9Y&index=1&list=PLjiWJF83CBikb5wLouFbI2xnOteHjWfyi Josh Elliott: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjB8yByq788 FreshFX: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quLrcx04P6s&index=1&list=PLjiWJF83CBimwzqoU43iOVi9RxDXH4ab4 The Electric Noodle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfwdEYc14k Enjoy! Noah Peterson Entertainment, Llc 999 East Basse Road #180-117 San Antonio, TX 78209 503-703-9516 -- www.noahpeterson.com www.petersonentertainment.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 28 15:06:59 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 664A9FF959; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 15:06:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 426 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at arsenic; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 15:06:59 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ljova.com; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:message-id :mime-version:subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=tgJ zKkToO1WyPxgHULMjnxvFqrY=; b=fAkKPMT0fR6WRNYas8Mvd71lTM0d1SKe4FE KEbEwYflVlBRVj9NaQAirEctxKdmMhce4n2v9yzRpgqfZPnW5PQRGJFgy/uLP9CH GX8se/8VGtXit5X2OWY3xXrb0Td4wZSz6nc88N+r0FNPhvj6GVKfBzteMA8/wTSw K6dxGddA= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=tgJzKkToO1WyPxgHULMjnxvFqrY=; b=SmGwd 5IKuGv/ZJ0Xw2pe88cXpUIsaSWopufmRr9UqBI3FM0gWUi8BReVTNlvFxUwGbpEk qKY3fP8VdTu3av4gFA2pp2VXlvEBJ+defEkBcxpJznujPsVqYMocaeLtXGV9ytaR WjdeNOCLIaONK5bwcl1JZozl9YcPHLeZ246AGE= Message-Id: <1459177193.391595.561480226.089ACDC3@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: AAtvbOQQqPK757SpckJjVMd2R2/+WcotCCVvoMHVe5Rk 1459177193 From: "Lev 'Ljova' Zhurbin" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_----------=_14591771933915951"; charset="utf-8" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-eaa4717d Subject: fadolin/looper set "Closing Displacement" - and looper venue circuit? Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 10:59:53 -0400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 15:06:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --_----------=_14591771933915951 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear LD friends, =20 Sharing with you an hour-long looper set I recorded this past weekend with my fadol=EDn (an acoustic 6-string violin with a low F and C) and a setup primarily built around a Boomerang: https://soundcloud.com/ljova/closing-displacement-live-at-equity-gallery =20 and also to ask you -- since I'm new to this -- is there a performing circuit for this music, in the US and outside?=A0 I've played solo looper shows at various venues in New York and also while on tour with other projects -- but I'd love to see if I can build a tour, even a small one, to continue exploring this work ---- =20 for anyone interested, there's a playlist of my solo looper outings here: https://soundcloud.com/ljova/sets/ljova-solo-live =20 grateful for any advice, and hope you'll enjoy the music, Ljova =20 -- Lev 'Ljova' Zhurbin =20 Web: http://www.Ljova.com Watch: http://www.Ljova.com/watch Listen: http://Ljova.bandcamp.com Follow: http://twitter.com/ljovadotcom =20 --_----------=_14591771933915951 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Dear LD friends,
 
Sharing with you an hour-long looper set I recorded this past weekend = with my fadol=EDn (an acoustic 6-string violin with a low F and C) and a se= tup primarily built around a Boomerang:
 
and also to ask you -- since I'm new to this -- is there a performing = circuit for this music, in the US and outside?  I've played solo loope= r shows at various venues in New York and also while on tour with other pro= jects -- but I'd love to see if I can build a tour, even a small one, to co= ntinue exploring this work ----
 
for anyone interested, there's a playlist of my solo looper outings he= re:
 
grateful for any advice, and hope you'll enjoy the music,
Ljova
 
--
Lev 'Ljova' Zhurbin
 
Web: http://www.Ljova.com
Watch: http://www.Ljova.com/watch
Listen: http://Ljova.bandcamp.com
Follow: http://twitter.com/ljovadotcom
 
--_----------=_14591771933915951-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 29 01:15:08 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52D49133134; Tue, 29 Mar 2016 01:15:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1459214106; bh=T4P/hQw9dUsAY83hR9A7haKpjvq85B6IhK6Db7N+1ok=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:References:From:Subject; b=E8E3Vnx+31ODwSdX6dTEPJW5enpTmzE9hQLkjE+l67egUR/pGDFSAUuVq5fvgk2I5x7YUn5XpWaOByqYu1kaRn4kkeWIGNM/+ElHX216CaaeyW/teeAMCJmfcCp/y9GIWbJ5H3HWmphBDLNKRC4SF3gibJrqFpskvZ1BbhsOa+oeeLpdqFHpj8MDXvYvOzIy8ntSxGsByeObF6zfuXn4qc4E7whuFzfZqmO1eXtjaBqsySQLzipjz4Lx4Sd9LC7MGPV/595bVraHcWQQ6QjqOBxwf4Fl4A5W8Emad4bzruO8JJeSVBhKMjv0klezuhtz9sagkTEM8k3k/IsXYKwg1Q== X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 173639.2305.bm@omp1029.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: xqcrk6AVM1ln8wDFEhBd_0SJr.2NLV2ACDVPu6XEMh3H3YDQn_54iRA_IRMiMBB NJSoFLim5nbV4TZ.DWjm2ZmwFH76B2daXujjjT270UvmHUk8QLD3CbmouizIalIi.XgkJu888J8m 6th55AqTRzBF2FpJt2K_bkwsfGDA0Eh.6RP93_hZjdwzDhvRFuRjjON50ZvS3B4X9rfY3ZuiugIe 5TmvIblbuS3g9uPOlUjIqwam6uKfAOnc37YwUNsQKRGgAxKYcHHpF9n5oaf_HbK5r0K9gHy4LZaX 9p7uy4G3RRRA4Yjhq6QTkpWQsA52tc8k3L_jJ9m9L3VM7hvRLOmzz4eEbro.o2.9ETXfZTtkjXj8 _1lv3lG30P_nniHAe3v5F_v4ul_R4CTDQgw_xT81QcnCiADJ5COT_icCwadwQlkR.A0Og04Rk68P fcRUUP9vMu.ggqomxFNW3bCK9T8TntdSTmmykyHP4Od94jS.2qEmJnnCUsYlcbgfIKa0t2QNSq8k TjsQ1 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2016 01:15:05 +0000 (UTC) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig To: Message-ID: <222637762.1843486.1459214105316.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: OT: Space MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <222637762.1843486.1459214105316.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7XZez.A.coH.ccd-WB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2016 01:15:08 +0000 (UTC) YES! Count me in. -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 3/27/16, Per Boysen wrote: Subject: Re: OT: Space To: "Loopers-Delight" Date: Sunday, March 27, 2016, 2:46 AM =20 Stellar! This thread is really taking off... =20 Greetings from Sweden =20 Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen =20 =20 On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 4:44 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > ..or we could always call Bill's new midrange only band, > > > M=C3=9C=C3=9C=C3=9C=C3=9C=C3=9C=C3=9C=C3=9C=C3=9C=C3=9C=C3=9CDDD > > though I do quite like Mud Mafia, as well > > I'd like to contribute Vocals through a Karaoke microphone routed through 11 > different distortion pedals > run through a stereo graphic equalizer with +12 db boost of each frequency > from 500 hz to 1500 hz > with all other frequencies cut by -12 db...........................with that > excellent suggestion of having a sock > in my mouth, simultaneously with the addition of routing the sound from > voice to microphone through > a traffic cone. >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I'd only want to do conflicting times signatures at different BPM ranging > from 100 - 120 BPM; > singing only Whole Tone Scales, melodically. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 30 09:37:36 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CECDFF9A1; Wed, 30 Mar 2016 09:37:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 491 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at arsenic; Wed, 30 Mar 2016 09:37:35 UTC x-libjamoibt: 1601 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=culm6AMi c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=XHTth/FhR6fkuf0rvcq8Ww==:117 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=9pRY04ZPaJQA:10 a=qlP7c3xiA3MA:10 a=ZNMKvBeWb40A:10 a=oTtuw1C_AAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=UcngKH3UOYa8VIeekosA:9 a=sOI7ekFuC1RXi4IH:21 a=MHvMCTP0XUgQkNTJ:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=9Cj-CxdZAAAA:8 a=qCjbLzLqHhfLoeuL6dcA:9 a=WfQM9drYCkGA0Y7o:21 a=adkp_RUcZR_a7DqR:21 a=sKcj8wjoSErTpENp:21 Message-ID: <1267882782.3000981459330163290.JavaMail.httpd@webmail-57.iol.local> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 11:29:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Massimo Liverani Reply-To: Massimo Liverani To: Subject: R: Re: OT: Space MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_341859_384355963.1459330163289" X-SenderIP: 85.47.237.137 X-libjamv: 1o3qCmPkDl4= X-libjamsun: ArXhJeUT0ddaqmuZEQ7dmQU4V9yGRbSG DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=libero.it; s=s2014; t=1459330163; bh=TstaVB8Sq5NLI0ZJ2drV6MMR1abPVUG2xIHae/9Yw+s=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject; b=jdLn3MeR/BUUEjZmwIiwQ51FwSLBus9CaCH6YVAnC5LWSDk30f5Iie21QiyquZkfy taQvSoh2ZOJUj95rnZJFHceFjRhmH8R/tlVlzklmE7A2nfd276sdDn8d/BRypwJItz UZuf8WQR6TVH0qoz8DBWXHcT9094YVtFOxKiu3zyGnK+sFpvWhIFxGCL/pZvHXEaZZ JEXExEoQ3SY+thK2muGTsYp4UaF7SowCGTuVBA3k7Sm7PqDNpAMcAgdADrdBaM4Oit DYVTojmIqWFk3j54sORm38fj4bi6x/n03Oknbu+tfKslB61xC0nT+XuQNmL+Dekat7 FrsPR50s4OdRw== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 09:37:36 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_341859_384355963.1459330163289 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes great post Rick! you are proving to have a considerable competence in sound field, on the same theme we could also mention the famous psicoacustic effect called "party effect" for which our ear is always able to perceive a conversation between two people even in the chaos of other conversations simply by focusing on it. I think that the masking effect can therefore in certain cases also be overcome by this possibility that our brain that is able to do amazing things in the acoustic field, also in the eye, but the sound is generally less known and underestimated. Congratulations again!Massimo ----Messaggio originale---- Da: Rick Walker Data: 25/03/2016 4.36 A: , Ogg: Re: OT: Space To amplify what everyone is telling you about avoiding mud: Human beings have a phenomenon called 'masking' or 'timbral masking' where if we here something in the exact same frequency spectrum we will actually only really 'hear' the loudest of the two sounds. This phenomenon most notably in two spectra: bass and lo mid (which includes basses, bass drums, dark ambient pads, etc.) and in the intelligibity ranges (the ranges that perceive the consonants in human speech which includes. Here's an effective way to teach yourself how this works on a visceral level. Whisper something that is barely but definitely audible to another person in a room and then, while talking, play a pair of hi hats quietly so that they 'mush' together to make a noise source. Make sure the hi hats are slightly louder in volume than your listening. The person listening to you, will probably still be able to tell that you are speaking (because there are deeper frequencies in the human voice than just the intelligibility frequencies of the consonants) but they will be completely unable to hear what you are saying. I love showing my drumming students this effect and make it humorous by just saying truly absurd things when they are unable to hear because of the 'masking' frequencies of the hi hats and then repeating to them what I just have said while their brains were unable to hear what I was saying. Amazingly, we don't even get what's being said subliminally, despite the claims of many subliminal weight loss recordings that are out there. These "masking' problems cause distinctly different kinds of problems in recording and mixing. In the bass and lo midranges the sine waves of the fundamental pitch of your sounds are so large that we don't perceive them in stereo (are ears are just too close together to delineate the deep waves. Consequently, 'masking' in the bass and low bass is particularly difficult because you can't use stereoscopic positioning to eliminate the problem. Back in the analog days of recording we used to use a trick called 'Zipper EQ' (as taught to me by Sandy Stone who engineered Hendrix) when encountering bass 'mud' in a mix, where we would put a bass guitar or bass synth sound through one channel (mono) of a stereo graphic equalizer and the 'masked' bass drum into the other channel (mono). Then we would boost the frequencies like this up to about 500 hz. 30hz 60hz 120hz 250hz 500hz BASS GUITAR/SYNTH +3db -3db +3db -3db +3db and set the other side of the graphic to the exact opposite: 30hz 60hz 120hz 250hz 500hz BASS DRUM -3db +3db - 3db +3db -3db When you looked at the EQ it looked like a zipper. Interestingly, if you solo-ed the channels, each one would sound weird and rather wimpy, but if you summed them in MONO they sounded really full and you could hear each one really distinctly. It's cool because it's entirely a psycho-acoustic effect. No other creature would hear it this way. With midrange frequencies which are highly directional and, hence, wonderful for putting into a very strong stereo effect, You can merely pan two offending tracks widely in the stereo field and be able to hear both simultaneously. Now, of course this phenomenon of Masking can exist in both Dynamics, Rhythm, Melody and Harmony so you have to be careful that your tracks are not only not masking each other in the sonic spectrum but in these other ways as well. I've found that a really good rule of thumb is to use only one, or perhaps two, levels of complexity in a mix: Timbral complexity, Rhythmic complexity, Dynamic complexity, Melodic and Harmonic complexity. The simplicity of all the other categories will effectively 'frame' the complexity that you want people to pay attention to. In this way, you call the listeners' attention to the parts of your piece that you really want them to listen to. Anyway, I hope this helps. Rick Walker Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: I was wondering if anyone had any tips on how to get more air/space in recordings happening in the computer. I use headphone to play most times and the resultant recordings always sound claustrophobic and way too dense. I've tried playing with EQ for each track and filters seem to help (though I can't spend that much time dialing those in while playing guitar) so I figured I'd ask if anyone had any tips or tricks to open things up. ------=_Part_341859_384355963.1459330163289 Content-Type: text/html;charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Yes great post Rick! you are proving to have a considerable competence in sound field, on the same theme we could also mention the famous psicoacustic effect called "party effect" for which our ear is always able to perceive a conversation between two people even in the chaos of other conversations simply by focusing on it. I think that the masking effect can therefore in certain cases also be overcome by this possibility that our brain that is able to do amazing things in the acoustic field, also in the eye, but the sound is generally less known and underestimated. Congratulations again!
Massimo
 ----Messaggio originale----
Da: Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>
Data: 25/03/2016 4.36
A: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>, <Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com>
Ogg: Re: OT: Space

To amplify what everyone is telling you about avoiding mud:

Human beings have a phenomenon called 'masking'  or 'timbral masking' where if we here something in the exact same frequency spectrum we will actually only
really 'hear' the loudest of the two sounds.       This phenomenon most notably  in two spectra:     bass and lo mid (which includes basses, bass drums, dark ambient pads, etc.)    
and in the intelligibity ranges (the ranges that perceive  the consonants in human speech which includes.

Here's an effective way to teach yourself how this works on a visceral level.    Whisper something that is barely but definitely audible to another person in a room
and then, while talking,  play a pair of hi hats quietly so that they 'mush' together to make a noise source.     Make sure the hi hats are slightly louder in volume than your listening.
The person listening to you, will probably still be able to tell that you are speaking (because there are deeper frequencies in the human voice than just the intelligibility frequencies
of the consonants) but they will be completely unable to hear what you are saying.     I love showing my drumming students this effect and
make it humorous by just saying truly absurd things when they are unable to hear because of the 'masking' frequencies of the hi hats and then repeating to them what I just
have said while their brains were unable to hear what I was saying.    Amazingly,  we don't even get what's being said subliminally, despite the claims of many subliminal
weight loss recordings that are out there.

These "masking' problems cause distinctly different kinds of problems in recording and mixing.

In the bass and lo midranges the sine waves of the fundamental pitch of your sounds are so large that we don't perceive them in stereo (are ears are just too close together
to delineate the deep waves.   Consequently,  'masking' in the bass and low bass is particularly difficult because you can't use stereoscopic positioning to eliminate the problem.

Back in the analog days of recording we used to use a trick called 'Zipper EQ' (as taught to me by Sandy Stone who engineered Hendrix)
when encountering bass 'mud' in a mix,   where we would put a bass guitar or bass synth
sound through one channel (mono) of a stereo graphic equalizer and the 'masked'  bass drum into the other channel (mono).
Then we would boost the frequencies like this up to about 500 hz.

30hz       60hz     120hz     250hz     500hz                       BASS GUITAR/SYNTH
+3db      -3db      +3db      -3db        +3db

and set the other side of the graphic to the exact opposite:

30hz       60hz     120hz     250hz     500hz                       BASS DRUM
-3db       +3db     - 3db       +3db        -3db

When you looked at the EQ  it looked like a zipper.

Interestingly,  if you solo-ed the channels,   each one would sound weird and rather wimpy,  but if you summed them in MONO
they sounded really full and you could hear each one really distinctly.    It's cool because it's entirely a psycho-acoustic effect.
No other creature would hear it this way.

With midrange frequencies which are highly directional and, hence,  wonderful for putting into a very strong stereo effect,
You can merely pan two offending tracks widely in the stereo field and be able to hear both simultaneously.

Now, of course this phenomenon of Masking can exist in both Dynamics,  Rhythm, Melody and Harmony
so you have to be careful that your tracks are not only not masking each other in the sonic spectrum but in these other ways as well.

I've found that a really good rule of thumb is to use only one, or perhaps two, levels of complexity in a mix:    Timbral complexity, Rhythmic complexity,
Dynamic complexity, Melodic and Harmonic complexity.

The simplicity of all the other categories will effectively 'frame' the complexity that you want people to pay attention to.

In this way, you call the listeners' attention to the parts of your piece that you really want them to listen to.

Anyway,  I hope this helps.

Rick Walker







Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com> wrote:

I was wondering if anyone had any tips on how to get more air/space in recordings happening in the computer.  I use headphone to play most times and the resultant recordings always sound claustrophobic and way too dense.  I've tried playing with EQ for each track and filters seem to help (though I can't spend that much time dialing those in while playing guitar) so I figured I'd ask if anyone had any tips or tricks to open things up.



------=_Part_341859_384355963.1459330163289-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 30 23:59:48 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C7AAFF95B; Wed, 30 Mar 2016 23:59:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1459382387; bh=Mw1QRVOjHffqP2LD8y1HvjbqYNL391PDTgDQ4iyBloE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:References:From:Subject; b=gJveWLys5WFFt0vmUqyUXzTTRUVRjGZgEWv9UVjftBUq+RJg5GHpWsq0q9cni0zUaBVfFLPMgrUHCRz4bDiK0CAM2pty5/TkesrxQwcpmF1FyaxsGruqAGlMQmo2B45uxt9Fz9Jll/3nFFC9yX6Et2cFYSWrQYWbX/p8pIN+5Q6J9MTNLy0Aba7pGvQ62XkVM2WQgMBY+shzeEidNFCHFhT0655vGdA8I3CrdSUBE4VTjWKEmYI45x60JBlQ7COdRynEXHgXGwSHhQjdo0py+baGzVBuDFwTR24it35ZL69cqTl123+1eUcyrdcapajjLtOJIo1TlPIhB3iFClo6+A== X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 869723.46250.bm@omp1030.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: Xz6XuFIVM1m3J8E8TLaTw6ca6iTSaN9RLZijeFjejw9RZi_vB.S8glaKiYcnynx RaanZsIJcICwwuNecJagyIqrqofavV.2EIjyJ9vgdYFFhxYn.1Qd_NQDn0dBy70AuDipLu23lz6w DGYBwytW3mgd0_NaIy75TRh.LvpGjO8ZL0a1XrVc96te30WwEVbCsL3UaaP3x17r9u53Yg0w85ya RBPLHhCho5C2C9jtugiXYPWsdNtiInBt2hQFM_jBq2h8Jk9LP4ICIa7KNf0U4sdimxbnM_8m0M3L lAWaDDroW8rqt7JcHhnxiA2AfxwJ0P9nk0Zdu56u4orrHBUfLzFFi5JBDwr_mvxKba0S7XTPSZ0k Rrq7S97SDyJSgJyBj75K4rbi3MJi0C8TKe2klemHHH4L.o73mI1inBYWeYdvyGgib8CIoXWIk8iN JMZaj1enpoF72juvaBGDeDLAX2H93zpothy_fpQYdjw7SlnB13Uq63nF8M8URQZdpcu8qwRwY_jP GsKkP Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 23:59:46 +0000 (UTC) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig To: , Massimo Liverani Message-ID: <1964145817.1648.1459382386842.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: R: Re: OT: Space MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <1964145817.1648.1459382386842.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 23:59:48 +0000 (UTC) Sparkling highs, BBE Maximization, Hall reverb @ 3 to 4 seconds with 120 ms= ec. pre-delay, and a lot of diffusion. Go to Reverb nation, look for Rigste= r1. go to turbo Productions, look for EXP/EFX. or google EXP/EFX. you will = hear it. -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 3/30/16, Massimo Liverani wrote: Subject: R: Re: OT: Space To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2016, 2:29 AM =20 Yes great post Rick! you are proving to have a considerable competence in sound field, on the same theme we could also mention the famous psicoacustic effect called "party effect" for which our ear is always able to perceive a conversation between two people even in the chaos of other conversations simply by focusing on it. I think that the masking effect can therefore in certain cases also be overcome by this possibility that our brain that=C2=A0is able to do amazing things in the acoustic=C2=A0field, also in the eye, but the sound is generally less known and underestimated. Congratulations again!Massimo =20 =C2=A0----Messaggio originale---- =20 Da: Rick Walker =20 Data: 25/03/2016 4.36 =20 A: , =20 Ogg: Re: OT: Space =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 To amplify what everyone is telling you about avoiding mud: =20 =20 =20 Human beings have a phenomenon called 'masking'=C2=A0 or 'timbral masking' where if we here something in the exact same frequency spectrum we will actually only=20 =20 really 'hear' the loudest of the two sounds.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 This phenomenon most notably=C2=A0 in two spectra:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 bass and lo mid (which includes basses, bass drums, dark ambient pads, etc.) =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=20 =20 and in the intelligibity ranges (the ranges that perceive=C2=A0 the consonants in human speech which includes. =20 =20 =20 Here's an effective way to teach yourself how this works on a visceral level.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Whisper something that is barely but definitely audible to another person in a room=20 =20 and then, while talking,=C2=A0 play a pair of hi hats quietly so that they 'mush' together to make a noise source.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Make sure the hi hats are slightly louder in volume than your listening. =20 The person listening to you, will probably still be able to tell that you are speaking (because there are deeper frequencies in the human voice than just the intelligibility frequencies =20 =20 of the consonants) but they will be completely unable to hear what you are saying.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I love showing my drumming students this effect and=20 =20 make it humorous by just saying truly absurd things when they are unable to hear because of the 'masking' frequencies of the hi hats and then repeating to them what I just=20 =20 have said while their brains were unable to hear what I was saying.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Amazingly,=C2=A0 we don't even get what's being said subliminally, despite the claims of many subliminal=20 =20 weight loss recordings that are out there. =20 =20 =20 These "masking' problems cause distinctly different kinds of problems in recording and mixing. =20 =20 =20 In the bass and lo midranges the sine waves of the fundamental pitch of your sounds are so large that we don't perceive them in stereo (are ears are just too close together=20 =20 to delineate the deep waves.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Consequently,=C2=A0 'masking' in the bass and low bass is particularly difficult because you can't use stereoscopic positioning to eliminate the problem. =20 =20 =20 Back in the analog days of recording we used to use a trick called 'Zipper EQ' (as taught to me by Sandy Stone who engineered Hendrix)=20 =20 when encountering bass 'mud' in a mix, =C2=A0 where we would put a bass guitar or bass synth=20 =20 sound through one channel (mono) of a stereo graphic equalizer and the 'masked'=C2=A0 bass drum into the other channel (mono). =20 Then we would boost the frequencies like this up to about 500 hz. =20 =20 =20 30hz=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 60hz=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 120hz=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 250hz=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =20 500hz=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 BASS GUITAR/SYNTH =20 +3db=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 -3db=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 +3db=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -3db=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +3db =20 =20 =20 and set the other side of the graphic to the exact opposite: =20 =20 =20 30hz=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 60hz=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 120hz=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 250hz=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =20 500hz=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 BASS DRUM =20 -3db=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 +3db=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - 3db=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +3db=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -3db =20 =20 =20 When you looked at the EQ=C2=A0 it looked like a zipper. =20 =20 =20 Interestingly,=C2=A0 if you solo-ed the channels,=C2=A0=C2=A0 each one would sound weird and rather wimpy,=C2=A0 but if you summed them in MONO=20 =20 they sounded really full and you could hear each one really distinctly.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 It's cool because it's entirely a psycho-acoustic effect. =20 No other creature would hear it this way. =20 =20 =20 With midrange frequencies which are highly directional and, hence,=C2=A0 wonderful for putting into a very strong stereo effect,=20 =20 You can merely pan two offending tracks widely in the stereo field and be able to hear both simultaneously. =20 =20 =20 Now, of course this phenomenon of Masking can exist in both Dynamics,=C2=A0 Rhythm, Melody and Harmony=20 =20 so you have to be careful that your tracks are not only not masking each other in the sonic spectrum but in these other ways as well. =20 =20 =20 I've found that a really good rule of thumb is to use only one, or perhaps two, levels of complexity in a mix:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Timbral complexity, Rhythmic complexity, =20 Dynamic complexity, Melodic and Harmonic complexity. =20 =20 =20 The simplicity of all the other categories will effectively 'frame' the complexity that you want people to pay attention to. =20 =20 =20 In this way, you call the listeners' attention to the parts of your piece that you really want them to listen to. =20 =20 =20 Anyway,=C2=A0 I hope this helps. =20 =20 =20 Rick Walker =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 I was wondering if anyone had any tips on how to get more air/space in recordings happening in the computer.=C2=A0 I use headphone to play most times and the resultant recordings always sound claustrophobic and way too dense.=C2=A0 I've tried playing with EQ for each track and filters seem to help (though I can't spend that much time dialing those in while playing guitar) so I figured I'd ask if anyone had any tips or tricks to open things up. =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 31 00:20:08 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EE98FF9A0; Thu, 31 Mar 2016 00:20:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1459383607; bh=k5oPYz5RDeoyHWhpcY/8k/gNOqzus7YllCYma5ByePA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:References:From:Subject; 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Mar 2016 00:20:06 +0000 (UTC) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig To: , Massimo Liverani Message-ID: <808131514.3037758.1459383606731.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: R: Re: OT: Space MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <808131514.3037758.1459383606731.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 00:20:08 +0000 (UTC) Sorry, on Reverb nation, its Rigster without the 1. -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 3/30/16, Massimo Liverani wrote: Subject: R: Re: OT: Space To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2016, 2:29 AM =20 Yes great post Rick! you are proving to have a considerable competence in sound field, on the same theme we could also mention the famous psicoacustic effect called "party effect" for which our ear is always able to perceive a conversation between two people even in the chaos of other conversations simply by focusing on it. I think that the masking effect can therefore in certain cases also be overcome by this possibility that our brain that=C2=A0is able to do amazing things in the acoustic=C2=A0field, also in the eye, but the sound is generally less known and underestimated. Congratulations again!Massimo =20 =C2=A0----Messaggio originale---- =20 Da: Rick Walker =20 Data: 25/03/2016 4.36 =20 A: , =20 Ogg: Re: OT: Space =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 To amplify what everyone is telling you about avoiding mud: =20 =20 =20 Human beings have a phenomenon called 'masking'=C2=A0 or 'timbral masking' where if we here something in the exact same frequency spectrum we will actually only=20 =20 really 'hear' the loudest of the two sounds.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 This phenomenon most notably=C2=A0 in two spectra:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 bass and lo mid (which includes basses, bass drums, dark ambient pads, etc.) =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=20 =20 and in the intelligibity ranges (the ranges that perceive=C2=A0 the consonants in human speech which includes. =20 =20 =20 Here's an effective way to teach yourself how this works on a visceral level.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Whisper something that is barely but definitely audible to another person in a room=20 =20 and then, while talking,=C2=A0 play a pair of hi hats quietly so that they 'mush' together to make a noise source.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Make sure the hi hats are slightly louder in volume than your listening. =20 The person listening to you, will probably still be able to tell that you are speaking (because there are deeper frequencies in the human voice than just the intelligibility frequencies =20 =20 of the consonants) but they will be completely unable to hear what you are saying.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I love showing my drumming students this effect and=20 =20 make it humorous by just saying truly absurd things when they are unable to hear because of the 'masking' frequencies of the hi hats and then repeating to them what I just=20 =20 have said while their brains were unable to hear what I was saying.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Amazingly,=C2=A0 we don't even get what's being said subliminally, despite the claims of many subliminal=20 =20 weight loss recordings that are out there. =20 =20 =20 These "masking' problems cause distinctly different kinds of problems in recording and mixing. =20 =20 =20 In the bass and lo midranges the sine waves of the fundamental pitch of your sounds are so large that we don't perceive them in stereo (are ears are just too close together=20 =20 to delineate the deep waves.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Consequently,=C2=A0 'masking' in the bass and low bass is particularly difficult because you can't use stereoscopic positioning to eliminate the problem. =20 =20 =20 Back in the analog days of recording we used to use a trick called 'Zipper EQ' (as taught to me by Sandy Stone who engineered Hendrix)=20 =20 when encountering bass 'mud' in a mix, =C2=A0 where we would put a bass guitar or bass synth=20 =20 sound through one channel (mono) of a stereo graphic equalizer and the 'masked'=C2=A0 bass drum into the other channel (mono). =20 Then we would boost the frequencies like this up to about 500 hz. =20 =20 =20 30hz=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 60hz=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 120hz=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 250hz=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =20 500hz=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 BASS GUITAR/SYNTH =20 +3db=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 -3db=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 +3db=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -3db=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +3db =20 =20 =20 and set the other side of the graphic to the exact opposite: =20 =20 =20 30hz=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 60hz=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 120hz=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 250hz=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =20 500hz=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 BASS DRUM =20 -3db=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 +3db=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - 3db=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +3db=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -3db =20 =20 =20 When you looked at the EQ=C2=A0 it looked like a zipper. =20 =20 =20 Interestingly,=C2=A0 if you solo-ed the channels,=C2=A0=C2=A0 each one would sound weird and rather wimpy,=C2=A0 but if you summed them in MONO=20 =20 they sounded really full and you could hear each one really distinctly.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 It's cool because it's entirely a psycho-acoustic effect. =20 No other creature would hear it this way. =20 =20 =20 With midrange frequencies which are highly directional and, hence,=C2=A0 wonderful for putting into a very strong stereo effect,=20 =20 You can merely pan two offending tracks widely in the stereo field and be able to hear both simultaneously. =20 =20 =20 Now, of course this phenomenon of Masking can exist in both Dynamics,=C2=A0 Rhythm, Melody and Harmony=20 =20 so you have to be careful that your tracks are not only not masking each other in the sonic spectrum but in these other ways as well. =20 =20 =20 I've found that a really good rule of thumb is to use only one, or perhaps two, levels of complexity in a mix:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Timbral complexity, Rhythmic complexity, =20 Dynamic complexity, Melodic and Harmonic complexity. =20 =20 =20 The simplicity of all the other categories will effectively 'frame' the complexity that you want people to pay attention to. =20 =20 =20 In this way, you call the listeners' attention to the parts of your piece that you really want them to listen to. =20 =20 =20 Anyway,=C2=A0 I hope this helps. =20 =20 =20 Rick Walker =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 I was wondering if anyone had any tips on how to get more air/space in recordings happening in the computer.=C2=A0 I use headphone to play most times and the resultant recordings always sound claustrophobic and way too dense.=C2=A0 I've tried playing with EQ for each track and filters seem to help (though I can't spend that much time dialing those in while playing guitar) so I figured I'd ask if anyone had any tips or tricks to open things up. =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 31 15:47:43 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D515F133134; Thu, 31 Mar 2016 15:47:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1459439263; bh=ow4pfbn1MdjnfgWLXLD531A8xBVfCDMnpPwO2Bwo5Ak=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:References:From:Subject; b=VhJqBZsl0mFOyRaQyIHm95yfV3FhWWKl6eMIjazoDl4m+T+76NR+cQcrtHoRYs0mf3sWjb9/5TcmOHTzUMc7gbS+aPD+7IjTSykZhSAO99FuVoUr/0dHGXDdev7w2z7Xpk5UxKZfsnXsmVXKpFLDMFMOz+z36Viq+TBkTm5Tuo83nBDsDqC5W0UY4+LBB5m8zShroJcxLnhwqM/1XfkVXUNVEhAoAkAoHtsYQ/AyzvlBWUeEg/KtJ5+F1RvLhAnotLiFRRQW7n71rBjkP4GqiVpsuTUwMnE/2VDQ/1CiFz73DYvDnUucxMFTxPjjRDrWL+X9Appv9+LPf74u/6Ae+Q== X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-4 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 512351.32290.bm@omp1036.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: dYMYyokVM1mbWkiw2PQYsks7J5hrRUsJ90jzSxMpHau_0BGBdXA3xCIJOPSqCeD KghtKSh2ULHdeuY8oVBfLFgSeuGdUUoEEuvKMu.rZmz2PHpZAu85mzcwdH1JQxN4atpPbLgPkVLY P8pLGLbr8Zwvllz9K_jEstAOxrR37pQ4N1ShDXWNhLOwSDZ9CHi5GcKJSYClBERtffO5JV2d1o3q NlVUeVnnFjS.pSrQSOtKCA5XhSdLu7UOVlEaMea5V1n8jXv6V8VyBukj3ePARuM9YN7xG_RxjWxE BG69xOLM8rXG9ui1eGRgUA6NbmpXchjUPGOMo3f71K.J1slYQ7p96dY7lK9w.yUSbtEpAu2f9Q8i y7r7Wvmhz9yTQwn7GdOdTLFKgWJbuvnbWpilpnD8agvNCGBHK.KFGp.LL4KV_HyuWn32_bB34Czm Rv7r368i7Ut25waLj.VBKhkUMq1jcu1d7ZHdRZG1W4spPlxKD7tcLj.oQGNV.YvDoPwBxMe26Usc SR5iH58BvSrtK4Cy.p..ykA-- Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 15:44:39 +0000 (UTC) From: ditch wrestler Reply-To: ditch wrestler To: Loopers-Delight Message-ID: <1199712377.389709.1459439079789.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Subject: ineko - for sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_389708_1317805435.1459439079786" References: <1199712377.389709.1459439079789.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 15:47:43 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_389708_1317805435.1459439079786 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have=C2=A0an Alesis Ineko - not using it much and floating it out here (I= know a few LDers have used it). For those that don't know it, it's a wicked cool desktop multi-fx unit.=C2= =A0 Not using mine as I never glommed on to the desktop thing - hard to use= =C2=A0it and an upright bass at the same time... Would prefer trading it for floor pedals - a nice reverb, a nasty fuzz with= a clean mid and/or mid control,=C2=A0maybe something from a Canadian compa= ny (Dr. Scientist, Fairfield, etc...) It has a=C2=A0cigarette burn on it=C2=A0(maybe from Keith Richards? ;-) - t= he plastic is a little melted but doesn't impede use & function. Send me a private email if you want a pic and we can talk... ted=C2=A0Or would you sing somethin' different. Somethin' real. Somethin' *= you* felt. Cause I'm telling you right now, that's the kind of song people = want to hear. That's the kind of song that truly saves people. It ain't got= nothin to do with believin' in God, Mr. Cash. It has to do with believin' = in yourself. 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I have an Alesis Ineko - not using it = much and floating it out here (I know a few LDers have used it).

For those that don't = know it, it's a wicked cool desktop multi-fx unit.  Not using mine as = I never glommed on to the desktop thing - hard to use it and an uprigh= t bass at the same time...

Would prefer trading it for floor pedals - a nice reverb, a n= asty fuzz with a clean mid and/or mid control, maybe something from a = Canadian company (Dr. Scientist, Fairfield, etc...)

It has a cigarette burn on it (maybe from Keith Ri= chards? ;-) - the plastic is a little melted but doesn't impede use & f= unction.

Send me a private email if you want a pic and we can talk...



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Or would you sin= g somethin' different. Somethin' real. Somethin' *you* felt. Cause I'm tell= ing you right now, that's the kind of song people want to hear. That's the = kind of song that truly saves people. It ain't got nothin to do with believ= in' in God, Mr. Cash. It has to do with believin' in yourself. Sam Philli= ps, "Walk the Line"
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