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Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8

hey let's shut down the world wide net: what is a sub pulse? Does anyone 
one I could look at:-)

Antony Hequet

----- Original Message ----
From: Mark Showalter <folkstone57@operamail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 12:27:42 AM
Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8

>   Hi Andy,
> Nice points that you make.
> My feeling however is that the Western perspective which assigns 
> lesser value to rhythm than
> melody, harmony or lyric (note:  if you invent an entire genre of 
> music based on a single rhythm
> like Tony Allen did when he invented the groove for 'AfroBeat' for 
> Fela Kuti you can't even
> get royalties from the music...........witness the Amen Break that 
> so revolutionized a lot of sample based hip
> hop)  has a very serious flaw when it comes to notation , and that 
> is that it doesn't have the
> concept of the 'sub-pulse'

I'd just like to point out here that the idea of getting royalties for 
coming up 
with a "groove" or "feel" or such like is a very unreal concept. To say 
least, it would put the courts into a position that is far worse than what 
the norm today. Take Harrison being sued for "My Sweet Lord", which was 
ridiculous & almost certainly would not have gone into the courts today. 
Besides, keep in mind that courts are not "esthetically" trained to really 
be in 
a position to make decisions about the arts. Plus, there would come a time 
one "groove" would start to sound like another & the more the lines 
blurred, the 
worse the situation would get. And to say the least, try to explain to a 
what a "sub-pulse" is........
Good luck on that one because as a composer/arranger with 8 years as a 
theory/composition in 2 colleges, I'm still not clear on what the hell a 
sub-pulse is even though several drummers/percussionists that I have 
worked with 
in the past have explained it to me over the years. I feel somewhat like 
bemused fellow who said after taking a boat trip with Albert Einstein:

"After several long explanations from the professor, I am finally able to 
that when it comes to Relativity Theory, he understands it well. "

BTW, please do NOT try to explain what a sub-pulse is as I have the 
feeling it 
would start a cascade of email arguments that would shut down the world 

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