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Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8



ok Mark I m taking a chamanic trip to the ocean right now, I ll let yiu 
know 
what I see feel and hear.

Antony


----- Original Message ----
From: Mark Showalter <folkstone57@operamail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 4:41:31 PM
Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8


>
> 
> hey let's shut down the world wide net: what is a sub pulse? Does anyone 
>have
> one I could look at:-)

Of you can go look at one. First, go to the nearest ocean.

Second, find a sub.

Third, follow it around, preferably several miles underwater because it's 
easier 
to see pulses way down there.

Let us all know when you see one.

> Antony Hequet
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Mark Showalter <folkstone57@operamail.com>
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 12:27:42 AM
> Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 
>12/8
> 
> 
> >   Hi Andy,
> > Nice points that you make.
> >
> > My feeling however is that the Western perspective which assigns 
> > lesser value to rhythm than
> > melody, harmony or lyric (note:  if you invent an entire genre of 
> > music based on a single rhythm
> > like Tony Allen did when he invented the groove for 'AfroBeat' 
> > for Fela Kuti you can't even
> > get royalties from the music...........witness the Amen Break 
> > that so revolutionized a lot of sample based hip
> > hop)  has a very serious flaw when it comes to notation , and 
> > that is that it doesn't have the
> > concept of the 'sub-pulse'
> >
> Hello,
> 
> I'd just like to point out here that the idea of getting royalties 
> for coming up
> with a "groove" or "feel" or such like is a very unreal concept. To say 
>the
> least, it would put the courts into a position that is far worse than 
>what is
> the norm today. Take Harrison being sued for "My Sweet Lord", which was
> ridiculous & almost certainly would not have gone into the courts today.
> Besides, keep in mind that courts are not "esthetically" trained to 
> really be in
> a position to make decisions about the arts. Plus, there would come 
> a time when
> one "groove" would start to sound like another & the more the lines 
> blurred, the
> worse the situation would get. And to say the least, try to explain to a 
>court
> what a "sub-pulse" is........
> Good luck on that one because as a composer/arranger with 8 years as a
> theory/composition in 2 colleges, I'm still not clear on what the hell a
> sub-pulse is even though several drummers/percussionists that I 
> have worked with
> in the past have explained it to me over the years. I feel somewhat like 
>one
> bemused fellow who said after taking a boat trip with Albert Einstein:
> 
> "After several long explanations from the professor, I am finally able 
>to say
> that when it comes to Relativity Theory, he understands it well. "
> 
> BTW, please do NOT try to explain what a sub-pulse is as I have the 
>feeling it
> would start a cascade of email arguments that would shut down the world 
>wide
> internet!
> 
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