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Rick,
 
As a Mackie 1202vlz owner I’m intrigued – how do you get maximum routing out of it, if I might ask?
 
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: lp-1 tricks
 
Thanks for all the thoughts.
Yeah,  I'm pretty good at setting up my Mackie 1402 or 1602 so that I can get maximum
routing (and muting options) but this D-Tar is a lot less sophisticated (yet I can get it on
an airplane).

I'll have to experiment with the master effects chain.   I have to look up whether it is pre or post faders.

anyway, thanks for all the time you spent and your friendship.  I hope I get to hear you play some day.

who knows whether someone will step up and do the looping festival in nor cal again next year.
   there are some rumblings, but it's really time for me to redirect my energies to my own artistry after 10 straight years of tithing my time and energy to the looping community.

I love it, but I feel like I'm running out of time to get the myriad creative things accomplished that I want to get accomplished on this mortal coil.

Cheers,   rick

On 11/20/10 5:53 AM, Simeon Harris wrote:
well i don't have my lp-1 any more. i'm using mobius in bidule on a macbook pro. but i used to use it with a rack mixer. i used to split my dry signal into three streams. one went direct to the mixer and the other two went to my repeater and the lp-1. the lp-1 was set to 100% wet. the mixer had mute buttons on it, so i could mute the dry signal completely. if you put the lp-1 into the master aux send of your mixer, you could do the same, simply by dropping the fader where you have your main signal going in. the aux send will be pre-fader, so signal will still get sent to the lp-1. the lp-1 would be set to 100% wet. i think the inserts would be pre-fader too, so no problems there.
i did use the aux sends in the lp-1. you can't alter the levels directly, but volume control can be achieved further along the chain...especially if you route them back to a channel on the mixer. in fact having a slightly larger mixer would allow you to have main signal on channel 1, lp-1 main output on channel 2, aux 1 output on channel 3 and aux 2 output on channel 4. total control. i had my aux 1 routed to a lexicon mpx-1, so i could further treat my loops. the outputs came back to another channel on my mixer. i had a kaoss pad on the fx send of the repeater too. again...it came back to it's own channel.
i never really use song form looping, so i can't help you there, i'm afraid. many people do and some of them post on the lp-1 forum, so i'm sure you could get some help there, if you feel you need it. i know it's completely possible to get some quite sophisticated arrangements going with the right string of commands. sounds exciting and scary - hats off to you sir and best of luck with it!

sim



On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
On 11/19/10 9:08 AM, Simeon Harris wrote:
cool. i can't remember how i stumbled on this...probably by accident, but it's a great technique. i think i usually used fast scramble and then did half speed on the loop to get the scramble rate i liked.

because i split my dry signal and my loops
out of curiosity,  how do you route your LP-1?     For my travel rig , where I use a DTAR 2 channel mono mixer (mostly for space and weight considerations)  I have the possibility of using a single master effects loop and then I have insert chains potentially for each single channel.
Currently, I'm using the inserts to send and return from my stompbox pedals (and M9 looper)
and then, probably primitively, I'm sending the final mix to the LP1 and from there to the PA

My brother says I should not do this and should use the Master Effects loop to send to the LP1
but I wanted to be able to have a completely wet signal if I need it in the LP1.

Do you have an opinion on this one?
, it's easy to mute the dry part. you can have some fun creating loops where you can't hear what you're playing - especially if the loop is heavily treated with fx. i learned this tip from david torn, while watching one of his "painting with guitar" videos years ago.

Have you experimented using the Aux sends, out of curiosity?
I haven't even looked.   Can you change the volume of each send individually?

It's funny, but though I use a lot of the features on the LP1 I don't really know it
deeply.   I'm just now wanting to use it to create coherent singer/songwriter forms
so I have a bit of a learning curve to figure out what people have done along those lines.
I've played abstractly for the last 10 years..........complete improv always and suddenly,
I'm really hankering for song form, structure and melody in my own work:  writing my first ever singer/songwriter record (using a ton of really simply played acoustic instruments--mostly because I"m a neophyte on all of them).    I'm simultaneously really turned on musically and really scared and insecure (especially about writing lyrics).    I'm trying to force myself to grow through the stuff that turns me on and scares me simultaneously.
It's going to be an exciting year!

anyway, if you come up with some nice stuff using this technique, please post some clips, i'd love to hear what you do with it.

btw - just read on facebook that bob has a new update out for the lp-1, so hopefully you guys will get some bugs fixed!
Yeah, no kidding.  This LP2 project and the fact that it's radical delay this year (due entirely to the irritating people who manufacturer the boxes he had designed who have held him
up for an entire year) has forced him to take on another full time job (as well as raise his family of five) really put the LP1 problems on back burner, but I know he's back on it again.
I've got some really killer rhythmic software additions coming down the pike for the machine
and he's promised those ideas top priority for the person who's helping him code now.
Stay tuned!

all the best
you too, Simeon!

rick

sim

ps - watch the "reply-to" address if you don't want to go on-list

Wonderful technique, Simeon.
For all the times I"ve used sus replace (I'm responsible for putting a version in the upcoming new LP-2 Mini Looper) I never thought of doing this.

I suppose on a single song you could go to wet only in the main menu of the Looperlative
to get the loop on it's own.

I just love recontextualizing random and then bending it to one's own will ----
muaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaahaaaaaaa!

take care, and thanks for the tip.

Rick Walker


Thanks