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Re: How does Schon Sync?
On Tue, 19 Nov 1996, Matthias Grob wrote:
> >We've used a lot of live guitar loops (mainly
> >from the digitech 8-second sampler pedal),
> You are talking about only one machine, being in sync or not with the
> actual playing of the band, right?
The 8-second is the primary one, but also the 2-second digitech sampler
pedal, and some other sundry shorter delays. But yeah, the
machine/machines being in/out of sync with the live band is where I'm
coming from, as opposed to Fripp/Eno style situation, where the loops are
the totality of the piece.
> >You can wind up with just truly bizarre counter-rhythms, strange
> >"accidental" harmonies, all sorts of essentially non-reproducible
>results,
> >which add both a "seat-of-your-pants" excitment for us as performers,
>and
>
> It is certainly exiting for you, but how does a public think about it?
> Would'nt it be the nicest to be able to "play unexpected" and produce the
> clima of surprise within a synced rithmical order? (I may be totaly wrong
> here)
This is a good couple of questions, Matthias. The first one raises more
issues than I want to get into -- any serious question of
audience/performer
interaction deserves at least a post of its own, and is perhaps not
"loop-centric" enough to be on-topic for this list.
The second one I can come up with a more concise reply for: Sometimes
yes, sometimes no. It would be almost entirely dependent on the piece,
and what was called for in the context of the piece. Out-sync (or
shifting-sync, rather) loops would be entirely inappropriate for a piece
by, say, Journey, but could be entirely appropriate for a piece by DJ
Spooky.
My point really was just to say that out-sync loops aren't inherently
"wrong" musically (even in a rock context), but an equally valid
compositional element.
And really, isn't any repeating loop going to "sync" with the rest of the
music? It doesn't need to necessarily fit into a strict time signature
quantization of time; say you're playing in 4/4; if you superimposed a
loop 5 beats long over top of it, the placement of the "downbeat" of the
loop will shift in relation to the rest of the music, in a regular and
repetative pattern. It's not much of a conceptual stretch to dispense
with the need to make the loop fit "exactly" into a quantitized beat
at all at that point. (Though if someone really wanted to figure out that
some arbitrary loop was exactly 4.37 beats long, more power to them. :)
Correspondingly, can't the rhythm of a piece be created as much by the
totality of the looping and non-looping parts as by the "base" that
is being looped over? I think its somewhat of a false distinction to
break the two segments apart. (If the loop is serving as something more
than "ornamental sound effects", that is.)
> If you use "methods" don't they end up cuting down the space for the
> accidents? Probably depends on the kind of methods... give us some more
> hints!
I am going to pursue this part further, but right now, sleep has a higher
precedence.
Enjoying the conversation,
--Eric Cook ecook@mail.msen.com
Gravitar-Guy http://www.msen.com/~ecook/gravitar.html