Saluti at the link down under you'll find some very long delay vst plugins(PC)(4,12,and 60 sec) the scfree plugin pack at http://acidfreak.future.easyspace.com/ now make up your patches in audiomulch http://www.audiomulch.com/ use 3 or 4 of these long delays play some freak out and let your girlfriend/boyfriend sleep alone this night zoing Claude