I had to post because I can't believe these prices- here is an 8 second Jam Man- 8 seconds! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=198398156 A Vortex- http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=201936503 Another 8 second Jam Man- again only 8 seconds- http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=202119264 Wow- anyway- I have been using my Vortex with my drum machine a lot with wonderful results- the tap tempo pedal is crucial- I will be posting a morph or two on Andy's Votrex site in the next week or two- The only problem I have is with having 5 separate pedals for the Vortex- I need to get the dual function Lexicon originals or make some myself- Cliff