Re: socialism?

["David Potter" <papadave55@hotmail.com>]

Go away...Please...Kim???help!!!


>From: "Julio Moreno" <juliomoreno@bahianet.com.br>
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
>To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
>Subject: socialism?
>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:04:51 -0200
>
>''No political solutions'' it's my last and new cliche to avoid discusions
>about these because i been repeating the same arguments , listen the same
>problems and reaching the same solutions in ALL the bars, streets, clubs
>etcetc in various countries with diferent people, from diferent
>economic/social/political/ enviroment and i feeling VERY idiot for the 
>time
>i lost to arrive allways to the same point: we must change our mind and
>spirit for ''global'' concience. Frank Zappa said the  MBE (Master in
>Bussines Economy) it's the worst and most deplorable thing, one dominant
>culture (pseudo-culture)  can impose over  the people.
>Sorry about these off- topic raged manifesto. Take care about your spirit,
>health, you friends and your children concience and the m.... f....s
>automatically will disapear. Stop to work for war directly or
>undirectly...Good loops!
>julio
>Pd Sweden it's a Big weapon seller and gives the Peace Nobel Price.They 
>have
>14 nuclear power plants for 8 million people.I think Nobel invents TNT
>    ; )
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Michael S. Yoder <myoder@tamiu.edu>
>To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
>Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 2:15 PM
>Subject: another misuse of "socialism"
>
>
> > At 06:11 AM 11/29/99 PST, you wrote:
> > >>Don't you mean *authoritarian*? National Socialists and Fascists
> > >>hate capitalism, because it's based on brains rather than brawn;
> > >>merit instead of mediocrity.
> >
> > THAT'S ABSURD!!!  The Nazis, who were socialist in name only (as a way 
>to
> > "sell" their idea to the masses) were absolutely capitalist.  The huge 
>war
> > machine that they built in WWII made lots of German private military
> > contractors filthy rich.
> > Capitalism is based more on trickery and accumulated wealth than on
>"brains."
> > Please stop misusing terms like socialist, etc.  There's never been an
> > authoritarian socialism that I know of.  The USSR, etc., also misused 
>the
> > term. I would hardly call the Israeli Kibbutz, the Mondragon 
>cooperatives,
> > or Sweden's labor-friendly governance as "authoritarian."
> >
> > Michael
> > ================================================================
> >
> > Dr. Michael S. Yoder
> > Assistant Professor of Geography, Coordinator of Urban Studies
> > Department of Social Sciences
> > Texas A&M International University
> > Laredo, TX  78041  U.S.A.
> > Telephone:  (956)326-2634 Office;  (956)326-2464 FAX
> > E-Mail  myoder@tamiu.edu
> > Web Page:  http://tamiu.edu/~myoder/
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> >
> > "English ideas about property have given us both the Bill of Rights and
>the
> > industrial slum." (Archibald C. Coolidge, Jr.)
> >
>

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