Re: vortex

["Clifford@BienAppraisers" <bienappraisers@mindspring.com>]

My biggest gripe is the coloration of sound when it is in bypass- but I 
love
mine- I personally think using an expression pedal with it is a
requirerment- I have 2 patches that I "play" and create great pitch swoops
like pre-bends on the guitar-

It has some great possibilities- but if you are not willing to fine tune 
the
patches you will find many are similar- but dig in a bit and it can reward
you- not to mention that if you dont like it it wont be terribly difficult
to re-sell-

Cliff

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael LaMeyer <mlameyer@rcn.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
<Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Date: Friday, November 17, 2000 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: vortex


>The biggest gripe I have with mine is that it's pretty noisy.  Apart from
>that, it's lacking certain convenience features like midi patch changes 
>and
>so on.  But it does sound really freaky.  If I can get up the gumption,
I'll
>post.
>
>Mike
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mark Francombe" <mark.francombe@mogul.com>
>To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 6:41 AM
>Subject: RE: vortex
>
>
>> To put in my 2 pence worth... The Vortex is frustrating in a couple of
>ways,
>> as in the delay speed are ONLY tappable and not dial-in-able which can 
>be
>> annoying for some situations, you DO tend to sit WITH the instructions 
>at
>> all time cos each "patch" has a unique signal flow and some controls
>change
>> their use dependant on the patch, BUT and its a HUGE BUTT... the
>> possibilities for new and interesting sounds are phenomenal! Strangly 
>the
>> "preset" are all rather mild and its up to you to tweak them to really
>find
>> mangled stuff, but its all there! The three "KEY" features that make it
>> stand out from any other box I have are...
>> 1)ENVELOPE FOLLOWER: every patch has a parameter that is dependent on 
>the
>> strength of the input signal (IE: a tremelo/pan that speeds up (or slows
>> down) as the sound dies away, or... (this is great) a delay where the
>> feedback level is dependant on signal level...dont gettit? OK you 
>play...
>> you hear NO delays, you stop playing...delays appear and continue
>> looping(yes) till you play, therfore you can play an 8 note sequence and
>> then on the loop play OVER the second half, erasing what was there, but
>> keeping the second half!)
>> 2)MORPH: Any patch can be made to morph into another
>> 3)PEDAL CONTROL: Any parameter can be put under pedal control, including
>> morph, so you can stop half way thru the morph!!! ...or simulate the
>> "Fatboyslim" speeding up loop thing... just play intrument...stop
>playing...
>> it loops... whammy the old pedal and...
>>  check it out now your a funk soul brothera funk soul brothera funk soul
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>>
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>>
>> er...buy it!
>>
>> hope this helps
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mountain Man [mailto:mtman@cloud9.net]
>> Sent: 17. november 2000 11:55
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Subject: Re: vortex
>>
>>
>> Hmmmm .... not very encouraging.  Yes, I'm in the "found one (on the
>> internet) and deciding to buy" category.  And it's not possible to go
>> try it out.  Here on the East coast they seem to be much more of a
>> rarity (along with used/trade/rent music stories and pawn shops - at
>> least where I live.  Damn!)   Anyone else with an opinion? (and perhaps
>> some sound samples? <g>)
>>
>> Thanks very much for your opinion, Rich  :)
>>
>> Elby
>>
>>
>>                  All in jest...and there will definitely be some who
>> disagree, but
>>                  IMHO, it makes the same sound as beating your head
>> against the wall.
>>                  That's the only sound i heard...because i kept beating
>> my head
>>                  against the wall trying to make the damn thing work!!!
>>
>>                  Seriously, some folks say it does magical things, and
>> it does sound
>>                  like nothing else sometimes.  I just found it
>> incredibly frustrating
>>                  trying to fine tune or create my own patches.  You just
>> keep turning
>>                  the dials until ya hit something, and then go "....oh,
>> ok, i guess
>>                  that's how feedback #1 set at 32 on 'Cycloid'
>> sounds...", or
>>                  something like that.  Good luck trying to 'recreate' a
>> sound if you
>>                  didn't save the patch.
>>
>>                  Have you found one and are deciding on whether to buy
>> or not, or are
>>                  you just curious and want to hear one?  Where are you
>> located?  In
>>                  Southern California, they are quite common...they pop
>> up in the
>>                  Recycler often and the used/trade/rent music stores or
>> pawn shops
>>                  often have one or two that they've been sitting on for
>> a couple of
>>                  years.
>>
>>                  If you're ok with the UI, you're set...
>>
>>                  rich
>>
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