Re: "out" music = derivitive of jazz?

[Matt U <mattu@mindspring.com>]

No, and the very examples you mention are a perfect start for 
elaboration.  Thrill Jockey - well, that's a label, but if you say 
Tortoise, you've got dub, Steve Reich, a certain amount of prog-rock, a 
certain amount of Autechre, and some good ole'  indie rock.  Sea & Cake 
could bring up Velvet Undergound and A.C. Jobim.  Town & Country harks to 
Morton Feldman.  What makes Masada interesting (to me anyway) is not that 
they sound like a 60's Ornette Coleman Quartet, but that they're so based 
in traditional Jewish music.  Tom Waits pulls in so much blues and 
theatrical things - Kurt Weill.

Also, in much music being made today that I think fits into what we're 
discussing, there's sparks from John Fahey, Derek Bailey, Morton Feldman, 
Steve Reich, Morton Subotnick, Karlheinz Stockhausen, LaMonte Young, 
Captain Beefheart, Velvet Underground, Tony Conrad, John Cage; a whole 
list 
of what might be called "outsider music", where the practioners where 
working outside of the commonly held values of genre.  There's a lot of 
wild and woolly shit out there, much of it really worth hearing.  Of 
course 
that still includes Miles, Mingus, Coleman, Coltrane, Dolphy, etc... 
(hell, 
let's throw in Ellington, Art Tatum, James P. Johnson...)

Matt

At 10:21 PM 2/19/01 -0800, matt davignon wrote:

>Sure, I can see how many of the groups and musicians that were listed on 
>the original post (Thrill Jockey, Masada, Zorn, Tom Waits, etc...) come 
>from a jazz background, but not everything that's "new" and "out there" 
>is 
>derived particularly from a few jazz albums released in the 60's, is it?
>
>Matt