I'd say the term 'out' probably comes from 'outsider'...music created by people outside mainstream & academic schools...like "outsider art". So it seems like a term that may be as misleading today as "New Music"... I prefer the blanket (vague) term 'creative music' because it refers to the full spectrum of the music and reflects the efforts of composers and musicians constantly trying new things,** while i tend to agree with you, the usage of the term "creative music" does imply that people cannot be creative in other musical endeavors and often makes me feel that i am being elitist ifi use it. when people ask me what i do i am often at a loss for words.stig