When I saw Steve Howe solo and with Yes, he had a Jam Man. Didn't hear any obvious looping at all both nights. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com Can you imagine Steve Howe, Chris Squire, Pete Townshend, Paul Westerberg, or any great player or writer from the "old days" ...creating with a modern looper. When will History repeat itself? Todd Quincy openjam.com