ms, nobody *ever* calls me *dave*! *-) >Maybe a few manufactures should >sponsor a second edition of that tape (now in DVD!), done by Adrian (if >willing) or someone else, like Dave Torn. i never saw adrian's tape; however, i did a 2-video-set (in 1992) called 'painting w/guitar', which is still available from homespun video. best, dt / splattercell