i've been using longish (1.5min) loops of my beehive for more than a year :) (i installed a stereo mic pair when i built it). deknow ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Zvonar <zvonar@zvonar.com> > > At least one prior example is Eric Singer's "boids" object for Max > http://www.ericsinger.com/Downloads/Boids.1.51.sea.hqx, an > implementation of Craig Reynolds' 1987 algorithm of the same name > http://www.red3d.com/cwr/boids/