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RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex"
Actually, this brings up something I've been curious
about for a while. Does ketchup have a direction?
>>ducks<<
aha!! it's the annual "are DJ's really
muscians" thread!
personally, i've always really liked mustard, and
never understood how anyone could like ketcup ...
mike
In a message dated 7/10/2002
11:39:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ssrndpty@hotmail.com
writes:
but it's not music.
It's music
apreciation.
you gotta be kiddin here when u say that
right?
they ( DJ's) may not be traditional musicians as that they are
perhaps as you say "playing with music" & especially doing just that in
the more operative sense in the context that you mention here - such as BPM
matching, etc.
But DJ Spooky doesnt just "play with Music" and as
someone else also mentionedThe ORB who didnt just "play with music" as same
can be said of DJ Shadow.
Alll the afortementioned DJ's made very clear
and distinct music IMHO and were musicians as much as Yoyo Ma is a muscian and
still could be considered musical regrdless as to whther there is a backing
track present or not IMHO and still be able to obtain a certain type of
virtuosity as a possibilty for them as much as any other traditional musician
can do the same
But The experience of music is not just focused or
dependent upon what is happeing on the stage and doesnt have to be based upon
the process of actions a performer takes visually or physically as much as it
is perhaps more in the intentions and the connection with the audience and the
quality of that connection.. and also there within where it goes or how it is
dispersed.
that seems to be the way you can observe what is happening
without "you" getting in the way of the music's story IMHO.
Its also
sorta kinda like the difference between the person who goes to the Buddha King
All u can eat - Chinese Buffet who combines pre-cooked foods to make a new
dish and say contrast that against a person who goes out to Philadelphia's Le
Bec Fin - ( 12 star dining and Tres expensive and cooked by some of the
world's best and highly trained chef's who have spent years and years
studuying the culinary arts and can apprach cooking from many angles -
experiemntal-classical, and in between ).
But what you guys are saying
is like sorta sayin that the food at Buddha King isnt even food ( though there
are arguments you could make to that effect concerning all u can eat buffets
as that it will surely kill you over time if you eat the more unhealthy dishes
they have there and if especially so, you were to eat those unhealthy
dishes in large portions it could give you a stomach ache:)
But you
cant say it isnt "food" they are eating @ Buddha king just as much as
you can not say that the experince a customer has cant be blissful or
enjoyable becasue they didnt cook the food themselves or perhaps that it came
from cans and all that was done for the foods preparation was that it was put
on a plate for them or made by someone else in a microwave....and who's to say
they arent using microwave foods @ Lebec Fin?
I think folks are
expressing outrage at people whom they see as going to a Buffet who are in
turn claiming to have cooked a 12 star meal and conferring upon themselves the
status of chef...who cares & why not?
But from my mind food is food
- be it cooked or uncooked.
"cooking" is just passing food along to
another state as that combinations and and re-combinations happen all along
the way and back again as nothing or no enegery is ever lost -only
converted.
and the musical chain of events is never one that is fixed
or etched in stone no matter where you or how you would choose to look at it
or place yourself as a musician.
aint no new notes as miles once said
and its all been done before even before you begin it - but you can have an
original perspective to bring to bear toward all of that which has already
been.
I also think how we perceive music most times says more about
"us" than any music we listen to or play as musicians most times.
I'm
also gonna do some flip flopping here as that i am on record in some places in
print saying the sorta things that most of the posters regarding this subject
have already said concerning canned music- sucking.
in recent days I
have come to regret those dismissive comments I made concerning DJ's & BPM
matchers etc as not being true musicians...i think i was way wrong and off the
mark and regret having made those statements
but hopefully we dont
start asking - what is music?
That "age old question" is more or
less the most obvious - "idiots-slippery slope" IMHO-where the time and
energy invested in its self-affirming - defining- dialog detracts from any
sort of music you could ever claim to like, hate, love, want or even reject at
that matter.
& I could care less ( as most audiences feel the same
way these days as they too could care less ) if someone is actually playing or
fervently working and tweaking knobs or pushing some so called "boundary" that
either i want and or need to have affirmed for me to have a "significantly"
& valid "musical" experience.
My own personal experiences are
valid without needing to cross check them against my own database or anyone
eles set of expectations and inferences I would & or could make &
perhaps may have been given or learned to apply against all
music(s)..
It seems like with all those expectations.of validity where
one would end up looking and feeling and demanding the knowldge that something
is a certain or particular way, says that in any case you would again really
only be there listening for and looking for affirmation of - self - regardless
as to any context, genre or message/story the music may or may not have to
reveal to you.
This dialog makes me think of Something that Weasel
Walter from the legendary Experimental-NoiseAvant Free Jazz-Rock troupe The
Flying Luttenbacher's ( http://mp3.com/flying_luttenbachers ) is quoted as saying which makes reference to the AEN band
COCK ESP ( http://mp3.com/cockesp
)... the quote goes somethin like
this ( as i am paraphrasing ) :
" Music Sucks & COCK ESP doesnt
suck - cuz they dont play "music" and wont ever be concerned or preoccupied
with music".
Only now am I seein' what the wisdom & beauty is in
that sentiment as the irony is that COCK ESP does really "play music" despite
their aversion to anything to do with "music" and those who demand their
performances and listening experience be "musical".
They ( COCK ESP )
just are not concerned with having to be anything other than what the music
asks them to be and thats pretty much all you can ever hope for
IMHO.
and i think thats all I happen to ever actively observe look for
in any performance context be it 3 feet away from the performer or when
listening in my bedrooom or on my car stereo.
But this "is it live or
memorex" talk also reminds me that I've always & still do really wanna
play a show where I just show up and sit on a well adorned stage done up to be
like a very ornate and plush 1950's living room - where i am on a couch with a
remote control flicking thru all my "john price tunes" while they are on
random play where all the while I'm on the couch surrounded by gorgeous women
sipping the working man's champagne Pabst. Blue Ribbon - watchinmg the
audience watch themselves and me and...vice versa on video screens. all
over the venue.
i think the pet shop boys,.erasure or kraftwerk all may
have done something quite similar to that effect...I'm rambling again
...
guess i need to go & do it but i think it would be fun
and 100% musical in the process :).
"Remember
To Always Kill Your
Expectations"
JP/AKASH
"The World's Most Erotic Band"
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic