My
tube refrigerator cools my ketchup better than a solid state one. Don't
know why...but it tastes better too!
Actually, this brings up something I've been curious
about for a while. Does ketchup have a direction?
>>ducks<<
aha!! it's the annual "are DJ's really
muscians" thread!
personally, i've always really liked mustard, and
never understood how anyone could like ketcup ...
mike
In a
message dated 7/10/2002 11:39:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
ssrndpty@hotmail.com writes:
but it's not music.
It's music
apreciation.
you
gotta be kiddin here when u say that right?
they ( DJ's) may not be
traditional musicians as that they are perhaps as you say "playing with
music" & especially doing just that in the more operative sense in the
context that you mention here - such as BPM matching, etc.
But DJ
Spooky doesnt just "play with Music" and as someone else also mentionedThe
ORB who didnt just "play with music" as same can be said of DJ
Shadow.
Alll the afortementioned DJ's made very clear and distinct
music IMHO and were musicians as much as Yoyo Ma is a muscian and still
could be considered musical regrdless as to whther there is a backing track
present or not IMHO and still be able to obtain a certain type of virtuosity
as a possibilty for them as much as any other traditional musician can do
the same
But The experience of music is not just focused or dependent
upon what is happeing on the stage and doesnt have to be based upon the
process of actions a performer takes visually or physically as much as it is
perhaps more in the intentions and the connection with the audience and the
quality of that connection.. and also there within where it goes or how it
is dispersed.
that seems to be the way you can observe what is
happening without "you" getting in the way of the music's story
IMHO.
Its also sorta kinda like the difference between the person who
goes to the Buddha King All u can eat - Chinese Buffet who combines
pre-cooked foods to make a new dish and say contrast that against a person
who goes out to Philadelphia's Le Bec Fin - ( 12 star dining and Tres
expensive and cooked by some of the world's best and highly trained chef's
who have spent years and years studuying the culinary arts and can apprach
cooking from many angles - experiemntal-classical, and in between
).
But what you guys are saying is like sorta sayin that the food at
Buddha King isnt even food ( though there are arguments you could make to
that effect concerning all u can eat buffets as that it will surely kill you
over time if you eat the more unhealthy dishes they have there and if
especially so, you were to eat those unhealthy dishes in large
portions it could give you a stomach ache:)
But you cant say it isnt
"food" they are eating @ Buddha king just as much as you can not say
that the experince a customer has cant be blissful or enjoyable becasue they
didnt cook the food themselves or perhaps that it came from cans and all
that was done for the foods preparation was that it was put on a plate for
them or made by someone else in a microwave....and who's to say they arent
using microwave foods @ Lebec Fin?
I think folks are expressing
outrage at people whom they see as going to a Buffet who are in turn
claiming to have cooked a 12 star meal and conferring upon themselves the
status of chef...who cares & why not?
But from my mind food is
food - be it cooked or uncooked.
"cooking" is just passing food along
to another state as that combinations and and re-combinations happen all
along the way and back again as nothing or no enegery is ever lost -only
converted.
and the musical chain of events is never one that is fixed
or etched in stone no matter where you or how you would choose to look at it
or place yourself as a musician.
aint no new notes as miles once said
and its all been done before even before you begin it - but you can have an
original perspective to bring to bear toward all of that which has already
been.
I also think how we perceive music most times says more about
"us" than any music we listen to or play as musicians most times.
I'm
also gonna do some flip flopping here as that i am on record in some places
in print saying the sorta things that most of the posters regarding this
subject have already said concerning canned music- sucking.
in recent
days I have come to regret those dismissive comments I made concerning DJ's
& BPM matchers etc as not being true musicians...i think i was way wrong
and off the mark and regret having made those statements
but
hopefully we dont start asking - what is music?
That "age old
question" is more or less the most obvious - "idiots-slippery slope"
IMHO-where the time and energy invested in its self-affirming - defining-
dialog detracts from any sort of music you could ever claim to like, hate,
love, want or even reject at that matter.
& I could care less (
as most audiences feel the same way these days as they too could care less )
if someone is actually playing or fervently working and tweaking knobs or
pushing some so called "boundary" that either i want and or need to have
affirmed for me to have a "significantly" & valid "musical"
experience.
My own personal experiences are valid without needing to
cross check them against my own database or anyone eles set of expectations
and inferences I would & or could make & perhaps may have been given
or learned to apply against all music(s)..
It seems like with all
those expectations.of validity where one would end up looking and feeling
and demanding the knowldge that something is a certain or particular way,
says that in any case you would again really only be there listening for and
looking for affirmation of - self - regardless as to any context, genre or
message/story the music may or may not have to reveal to you.
This
dialog makes me think of Something that Weasel Walter from the legendary
Experimental-NoiseAvant Free Jazz-Rock troupe The Flying Luttenbacher's (
http://mp3.com/flying_luttenbachers ) is quoted as saying which makes reference to the AEN band
COCK ESP ( http://mp3.com/cockesp
)... the quote
goes somethin like this ( as i am paraphrasing ) :
" Music Sucks
& COCK ESP doesnt suck - cuz they dont play "music" and wont ever be
concerned or preoccupied with music".
Only now am I seein' what the
wisdom & beauty is in that sentiment as the irony is that COCK ESP does
really "play music" despite their aversion to anything to do with "music"
and those who demand their performances and listening experience be
"musical".
They ( COCK ESP ) just are not concerned with having to be
anything other than what the music asks them to be and thats pretty much all
you can ever hope for IMHO.
and i think thats all I happen to ever
actively observe look for in any performance context be it 3 feet away from
the performer or when listening in my bedrooom or on my car
stereo.
But this "is it live or memorex" talk also reminds me that
I've always & still do really wanna play a show where I just show up and
sit on a well adorned stage done up to be like a very ornate and plush
1950's living room - where i am on a couch with a remote control flicking
thru all my "john price tunes" while they are on random play where all the
while I'm on the couch surrounded by gorgeous women sipping the working
man's champagne Pabst. Blue Ribbon - watchinmg the audience watch themselves
and me and...vice versa on video screens. all over the venue.
i
think the pet shop boys,.erasure or kraftwerk all may have done something
quite similar to that effect...I'm rambling again ...
guess i need to
go & do it but i think it would be fun and 100% musical in the
process :).
"Remember To Always Kill Your
Expectations"
JP/AKASH
"The World's Most Erotic Band"
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic