Re: looking for simple live looper not based on tempo....

[Evan Meyers <evanmeyers@yahoo.com>]

> i'm looking for a simple looper to do live loops not
> based
> on tempo. i'm trying to mimic the thing trey
> anastasio of
> the band phish does in songs like "ghost" and "sand"
> and
> "first tube"....
>

nice.  glad to see a fellow head on the list.  i
rarely get to hear people mention the phab phour
around here.  i too was influenced by trey's work with
texturing sounds.
 
> i've looked at the boomerang and the new boss
> looper, but
> these require you to start the loop as well as stop.

well, when creating a loop isn't that what you
want...the ability to record a phrase?  

> so now
> i'm looking at old-school rackmount delays, which
> don't
> require you to start the loop, only to hit the
> "hold"
> button to make it start looping.

true, but hitting and holding down a 'hold' button is
virtually the same action as pressing a start and a
stop.

> i've heard trey uses the ibanez dm-2000 for this
> stuff, but
> it only has a 2-second delay i think.
>

you've heard incorrectly.  trey used the boomerang. 
they recently upgraded the boomerang to be able to
hold more than one phrase at a time taboot taboot.
 
> pay for this?? any thoughts on these or other
> units?? any
> advice is VERY appreciated, email me privately or on
> the
> list, thank you!!!!!!!!!
> 
> i'm looking for something to play riffs into live
> that will
> repeat it hypnotically ad infinitum...... thanks!
>

you'd be fine with any of the looping devices instead
of a delay.  i'm guessing that you'd like the ability
to actually loop something longer than 2 seconds? 
even if your sample is going to be short, do you
really want it to go off every 2 seconds?  it is nice
having the blank space so that your loop doesn't start
driving you crazy.

i went with the repeater after trying out the boss.  i
chose the repeater because of its ability to create
loops on 4 separate tracks that you can adjust volume
and add effects to.  the boss one is the cheapest on
the mkt right now (i believe), but you are limited
within its abilities to sync and pretty much do
anything aside from record and reverse.  for the extra
200 or so, it really is worth getting a more
sophisticated piece of gear that you can grow into
over time instead of hitting a wall with it right
away.  

any devices that can be controlled via midi are
excellent because with the propper controller, you can
create presets that will allow you to do your favorite
functions with one button press.  for example, i'm
using the behringer fcb1010 with my repeater and there
was a time where one footswitch was set to mute track
1, move my live signal to track 3, and kick my current
loop into reverse and hit play so that the time sync
wouldn't get thrown off.  i was using this to record a
groove on t1, record a layered sound (ala trey) on
track 2, and then remove my groove loop so that i
could groove live with my reverse layered sound
without missing a beat to do any of the loop
recording.  i don't know if that makes any sense to
you, but it sure was cool to do.

unfortunately, this kind of gear is still in its
infancy and with almost all of the gear there is
limitations and bugs in the software, but for your
purposes, you probably won't encounter many problems
with any of them.  feel free to ask any other
questions...i'd be happy to help.  i was in your
situation about a year ago and it can be really
overwhelming.

peace and bass,
evan
evanmeyers@yahoo.com
 
> dylan
> dylanhassinger@yahoo.com
> 
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